The Secret of Crossed Legged Medieval Knights

[@moonshadowmagic7116]

Just for fun... If the crossed legs are known primarily from Celtic areas (I really have no data on this), I remember something that may be either relevant, or a total non sequitur: the Hochdorf Prince. His body was entirely gone when his mound was excavated, and all that was left of his funerary achievements was lots of gold. He carried a dagger but no sword. He had been buried in gold trimmed shoes that showed left and right, and the shoes were switched around. It seems to be the assumption that he was buried with his shoes on the wrong feet... But what if his legs were crossed instead? Might the medieval effigies reflect an older artistic convention? 😊 Just to throw a wrench in the works.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input 🙂

[@cianmoriarty7345]

Weird the body would rot away so completely.

[@moonshadowmagic7116]

@@cianmoriarty7345 Not really... It's a Celtic tumulus burial in Germany, and around two thousand plus years old, if I recall.

[@IrishMedievalHistory]

Amazing work and research done here. Well done! I think your right on this one. There was many Ostmen (Irish Vikings) that joined the first Crusade. Both joining the English and Norway forces going to the Holy land.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the compliment man!

[@uptoncriddington6939]

They had to cross their legs to keep from peeing themselves and rusting their armour because it took so long to get carved in stone.

[@LithiumMacaroni]

Amazing video. Keep up the great work!

[@primalireland-histcult]

Much appreciated.

[@thefinalfurlong1373]

Great stuff

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks!

[@baxpiz1289]

great vid again! sword hand on pommel reminds of motto & eagle on u.s. great seal: "eyes on the olive branch, arrows at the ready"

[@primalireland-histcult]

Very nice, I never knew that!

[@baxpiz1289]

@@primalireland-histcult 13 arrows/colonies . . . actual great seal motto(s) are latin: on the front, e pluribus unum (from the many, one); on the back, annuit coeptis (he has favored our undertaking) over pyramid & novus ordo seclorum (a new order for the ages) below it

[@iainb1577]

Re. your very last comment. The hand on the sword pommell could equally well be symbolising the knight sheathing his sword for the very last time. Just a thought.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks, I'm enjoying all these interpretations!

[@toats-mcgoats1833]

Maybe he just had to pee 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@CCoburn3]

That’s my theory too. It makes as much sense as any of the other theories.

[@guarddog318]

Definitely looks like the "I gotta go" two-step. lol

[@silvermoontearoom7123]

Thanks! ☘️

[@primalireland-histcult]

You're welcome 🙂

[@DJJinxC2006]

Thanks mate

[@primalireland-histcult]

Once again, thank you for the continued support!

[@everest9707]

Thanks. Raising the question with counterparts in other countries with Templar history, might help with the answer.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input

[@cianmoriarty7345]

Fascinating ✝️

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thank You.

[@johnnythefox132]

There’s an effigy of a cross legged knight on display at Croxden Abbey , Staffordshire

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input.

[@rgnyc]

The idea of holding to a vow of chastity sounds plausible, since there are women with crossed legs. However, if it's true that all cross-legged funerary effigies have their hands on the sword pommel, the idea that the position denotes strength (or willingness to fight) seems equally plausible. I wonder if scholars will ever be able to determine the significance (If any). Thank you for posting this clip!

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input!

[@Aj-tu4gv]

Maybe kundalini serpents, he had 3rd eye

[@tommywolfe2706]

Back then, they were "warriors of Christ".....and I would guess that they wanted their final image to be one of them ready to fight in Gods name, hand on the sword at the ready, to defend Gods honor. Excellent video! Great topic! Really unique, great visuals, commentary is really good......I am really grateful to have ran into this video!

[@primalireland-histcult]

Many thanks for the compliment and observations.

[@ALehrer-s8f]

it seems to me that it is an "at ease" ready to pull sword and formal posture. why and what kind of animal statue is at their feet? i think i saw two lions and a dragon- what is the significance of the animal being 'stood (?)' upon? thanks! cool video!

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks , my video "Ireland's stone knights" gives some explanations to the animals.

[@ALehrer-s8f]

​@@primalireland-histcultoh, does it? i can't seem to find it. i am still looking at the moment.. 😀

[@themeat5053]

Come on, no Irish lady has ever had her legs crossed.

[@eodmax85]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mortdeath1674]

When I was a kid I used to stand cross legged as my normal stance, I looked into it many years ago and iirc it was reportedly quite a common stance in certain cultures. Somewhere I think it was reported as a sign of relaxed confidence, to me it was just comfortable. It’s always daft to project back but maybe they just wanted to be comfortable in the afterlife :). As you stated it would have been an expensive process to have these made, more so for crossed legs as I would assume these would require more skill to make therefore a higher cost for special pose. You pay for the best work and the crossed leg shows off your extra wealth? No doubt there is some special significance to it lost in the mists of time, like the lost symbolism in some renaissance art

[@primalireland-histcult]

Interesting to hear this!

[@guarddog318]

Maybe the armorer just didn't get all the sharp edges off their codpieces?

[@primalireland-histcult]

Very good.

[@shanegooding4839]

I seem to remember hearing somewhere that it symbolised submission since it is almost impossible for a person with crossed legs to stand firm against someone and in these cases signified submitting to God. This might just be an urban myth though.😊

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input, very insightful.

[@stevenstreets695]

If youve never been a weary soldier laying down to rest in your fatigues and boots...you just wont get it. I always crossed my legs with boots on sleeping. Duh...ready to rise and fight.

[@Privateer_24]

Also, Christianity teaches that those who die believing in Christ are asleep until Christ returns to bring them forth. Maybe this is a sign that the person is merely relaxing while they await their holy alarm clock. This would have been applicable to both men and women.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input, I think you could be right, resting and (in many cases) ready to serve with hand on sword!

[@guarddog318]

By the way, when you cross your legs like that, your balance is halved... So as a guard or ready position, it's worse than awful. You don't believe me, try it, and see how easy it is for someone to knock you on your ass by simply rushing you.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Fair enough, it's just an observation

[@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603]

Could be just a simple choice of the person on how he wanted it made a fashion choice.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Absolutely, thank you for the input.

[@bjmartin5225]

Knights that went to the holy land, many of which were in the Masonic Lodge. The crossing of the legs has to do with knights who been raised to be a master mason.

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

Its a sign that the knight has taken the oath of chastity. Which means not to deminish ones life force through ejaculation not abstaining from sex all together. It makes the skull & cross bones like one sees in the "Skull & Bones" secret society still to this day.

[@nautilusshell4969]

Phwoarrrr!

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

Crusaders would have died in higher numbers and rates than nobles at home, thus less customized coffins, thus crossing the legs makes in easier to slip the corpse in a coffin and bury him with valuables, then people assign holy meaning to it cus knights of religious orders. Saracens would be less likely to ransom a captured cus they don’t know or care about being in good standing with the knights family

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input.

[@CCoburn3]

Perhaps they are people who just had to pee. Seriously though, why must we assign a meaning to something that may simply have been an artistic choice? There seems to be no data to back up any of these theories. So why should we form a theory without data? That's just a guess. And my guess is just as good as anyone else's. So I'm going to stick with the story that these are people who had to pee. But I'm willing to give up that interpretation if others are willing to give up theirs and admit that we just don't know. This is a good video because it brings out the fact that we don't know why these people are depicted with crossed legs. That shows careful scholarship. Well done!

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the compliment!

[@theStonedAgeGuy]

Were they actually women who had to pose as men to be accepted? By crossing the legs it's a nod to a truth that couldn't be acknowledged openly at the time. Or, was it done to emasculate the knights after death, or maybe even while alive?

[@primalireland-histcult]

I don't think such long and expensive work would be taken to dishonour them.

[@thomaspurvey]

It represents the position of Christs legs on the Cross.

[@seanfaherty]

It’s not a secret

[@lliamjurdom9505]

celibacy

[@claudiamanta1943]

Or maybe they worshipped a cross legged ‘thing’.