THE SECRET OF OMEGON! WHO KNEW HE EXISTED?

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@bluntblade6887 Ай бұрын

In I think The First Heretic, there is a scene where Lorgar is writing out copies of his book, mentioning he has unique ones for each of his brothers. The one for Alpharius is in two near identical copies, with slight variations between the two. So I always took that as him having known or at least learning after joining Chaos.

@WestSideGorilla1980 Ай бұрын

At least he could write well. The lectionary divinontus

@mementomori771 Ай бұрын

I think Konrad probably knew but with how shattered his psyche was he probably didn't understand it

@huntergallatin6758 Ай бұрын

I doubt it if they have a matching soul as they do, he would probably just think it's one guy, unless he had a specific vision of both of them together.

@lukkaredwolf3534 Ай бұрын

Horus was the first FOUND because, technically, Alpharius was never lost, as he never truly left Terra.

@elliotmorrell425 Ай бұрын

This

@TheTrueMalice Ай бұрын

I think the Regicide game between the Emperor and Malcador where he pulled 2 Hydra pieces. Plenty of legions had forces on both sides but, the pieces represented the Primarchs themselves

@jacobriley2874 Ай бұрын

Dorn turns into the third Hydra under alternate circumstance in that game.

@toddolson4614 Ай бұрын

@@TheTrueMalice Agree Malcador and the Emporer knew based on the Reicide ame

@charleswacker7166 Ай бұрын

I can imagine the Lion having a guess, and not having confirmation. From all the Primarchs, the Lion would have an advantage of “I’ve grown up with warpy mindscrew and survived it.” To survive Caliban, his reflexes and instincts would have to have been at the peak of his abilities. Similar to Russ, the Lion is an instinctual apex predator. Though in my own head, I could imagine Russ learning over a game of Regicide with Uncle Mal where based on Malcador’s teachings he pieces it together. The look on Malcador’s face at that moment too, with one slightly raised eyebrow and a ‘corner of the lip’ smile to say “I said nothing, and OFFICIALLY confirmed nothing.”

@JayDay01 Ай бұрын

one of the twins:walks bye* the lion: wait a minute 🤔

@jaskegoffii3968 Ай бұрын

The Lion almost sussed Alpharius out while he was cosplaying as a regular legionary before they found Omegon. Russ made a "joke" to "Alpharius" that he was surprised there are only one of them

@dww6 Ай бұрын

It's interesting you compare the lion and Russ telling because they are predators because we know Russ knew.

@dww6 Ай бұрын

They are obviously triplets. It is a double (or triple) bluff.

@inthefade Ай бұрын

Yay! someone else who pushes the triplets theory!

@thatotherguy8138 Ай бұрын

As for who knew about it? I don't think they actually TOLD anyone, not even Horus, so it would have to be who could DETECT them. Can't argue that Magnus and Russ would have good ways to tell - but I think both would shrug off any anomalies as being THEIR mistakes because those two were so absolutely loyal to the Emperor that they would believe the Emperor would tell them that he created Twin primarchs - and since he DIDN'T tell them, obviously there can't be two Alpharius, so there's some other explanation. The Lion could very well suspect and wouldn't be as blinded by loyalty as Russ and Magnus. I don't think Dorn or Robute would know unless they both were open about killing their brothers, though even with that they might not suspect the existence of Omegon - only that Alpharius had some trick up his sleeve when he fought Dorn and managed to survive to fight Robute. And then they both might think Robute hadn't killed him either, and go looking for Alpharius again... even with both of them being dead. Or are they? A theory came up on another video about Alpharius and Omegon that I've fallen in love with - Alpharius died during the scattering. And TWO Primarchs sprung up after. Like the Hydra myth of old, when you cut off one head, two more took its place. That's what happened with Alpharius, and created Omegon. And that "Alpharius" was found on Terra, perhaps the first one found - but the "Alpharius" that was found was not the same "Alpharius" that was created by the Emperor. There was something different, something had... lessened... in him. The infant brought back to the Emperor was slightly less than the infant stolen from the Emperor, and the Emperor didn't know why. No one knew why. He didn't create Twins, and after the first few other Primarchs were found, any idea of Alpharius being split into two was discarded. So until they understood what happened to Alpharius, they couldn't risk announcing that they had found the first of the lost Primarchs. So Alpharius was raised in secret, and it wasn't until his other "half" was found that going public had to happen. I've expanded on the theory - I think that when one of the 20th Primarchs dies "incorrectly" (Heracles had to have his assistant cauterize the wounds to keep the Hydra from growing more heads) two more spring up, but they're NOT identical. They're weakened, like the power of a single Primarch now has to be shared between more bodies. That's why Alpharius and Omegon were smaller than their brothers, and potentially why the Alpha Legion were bigger - they were sharing a small amount of the power with their Primarchs via the Geneseed. So when Dorn killed Alpharius - and it WAS Alpharius, and he DID die - two more sprang up in his place at different places and times. (warp shenanigans so there isn't 3 primarchs in the Heresy unaccounted for) Neither of them are perfect copies, some memories are shared some are not, there's slight differences in opinions and attitudes, and they're slightly less powerful than they were before. So now there are THREE Alpha Legion Primarchs, one "Primary" (Omegon) and two "Secondary" (Alpharius 1 and Alpharius 1a). Maybe Robute killed one, maybe not, but upon the three of them meeting one another again (as they are drawn to each other on a metaphysical level), they realized something was very weird about them and they've retreated to figure out what's going on. Or more fun AND more GrimDark (how often do Fun and GrimDark belong in the same sentence?), they tried to fight it out to see who would be "Alpharius", couldn't come to a single victor, splintered the Alpha Legion into 3 and have been fighting one another ever since.

@garysuarez9614 Ай бұрын

That is some heavy conjecture, my friend!

@donperez8774 Ай бұрын

From an excerpt of The Dark, a lost autobiography of Konrad Curze: "Alpharius was such a liar, such a multiple personality (all as boring as a Custodes), he had three deaths when I looked at him. One to a giant yellow warrior ignorant of whatever he was trying to spin (later he killed that guy with a mob, leaving only a hand), one to himself betraying himself, and then (fragment ends)."

@cew630 Ай бұрын

Wow, I've never read that before

@mEmory______ Ай бұрын

Did you... make that up? Or is it real?

@JKRavenBlood Ай бұрын

Sometimes Sigma is implemented as another name among the Alpha legion. The hydra has 3 heads, who says it isn't a triplet, with 2 being very close and a 3rd as a shadow among the ranks.

@NueThunderKing Ай бұрын

@@mEmory______ must be fake, as it would confirm either Alpharius or Omegon killed Dorn and that would be something Rho and many others would have mentioned

@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp Ай бұрын

@@JKRavenBlooddefinitely triplets. Fake the deaths of the 2nd & 11th & then Dorn & Girly Boy & others took their legionaries into their legions. So that worked out too. Alpha Legion implanted from jump street.... Alpharius, Sigma & Omegon. Clearly the Hydra got away with it too.

@billyblob6463 Ай бұрын

I think Alpharius was the first found and was raised on Terra. If his primarch novel is true, then the whole point of his character is that he lives in the shadows. Alpharius and his legion never got the chance to have glory and honor like the other legions. They were always off the books doing the dirty work (and necessary work) for the imperium. So Horus gets all the acclaim and laurels for being “first found”.

@MaticustheRed Ай бұрын

Uh... correct?

@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Ай бұрын

Lorgar gave each of his Traitor brothers a hand-tailored and specific copy of The Book of Lorgar... Alpharius Omegon was given two copies as the only one. Lorgar knew ;) Edit: As I remember it, Lorgar's two books was mentioned in "Betrayer". After his battle on Armatura and during his long-range call with Horus.

@craynak Ай бұрын

What book is this from?

@toddolson4614 Ай бұрын

From which book?

@tremendousyeet3467 Ай бұрын

Name the damn book Kristian or else

@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Ай бұрын

@@tremendousyeet3467 Ask and The Dark Gods provide ;)

@tremendousyeet3467 Ай бұрын

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Don't be vague, the name. speak it blatantly.

@brendawynn112 Ай бұрын

Alpha Legion lore is always welcomed

@Migolcow Ай бұрын

I would think Roboute knew just based on micro discrepancies in paperwork and timings while he was poring over the records. On a more serious note, I would assume at least some of the Custodes would as well, with their Eyes of the Emperor playing cat an mouse for so long.

@chozolink Ай бұрын

Horus mentions the "dagger" at the back of Alpharius during his monologue with Ferrus' skull.

@craynak Ай бұрын

Do an Alpha Legion week please!

@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp Ай бұрын

I'm working on a homebrew Alpha Legion in paint scheme only while using Dark Angels listed & Raven Guard detachment. Half & Half paint jobs too.

@jarrydwroe706 Ай бұрын

Would love a video that covers the scouring and the known events and thoughts on what events would be great additions

@MrLansonman Ай бұрын

on the board during their game, each primarch had a piece, alpharius had 2

@TheSpoegefugl Ай бұрын

Oh come on, Rogal Dorn would be too dumb to realize that there were 2 of them. You could spell it out for him, but he wouldn't be able to read it, and would just lash out

@MaticustheRed Ай бұрын

Lmfao

@terrenusvitae Ай бұрын

If I recall, Lorgar gave Alpharius TWO copies of his book.

@stoneage3429 Ай бұрын

in the short story "the board is set" it quite plainly stats that the emperor and malcador know thier twins

@trajanfidelis Ай бұрын

Hydra Dominatus my fellow Alphariuses

@DarthRevaNihilus Ай бұрын

Hydra Dominatus, Alpharius.

@craynak Ай бұрын

Hydra Dominatus, Alpharius.

@diddy8706 Ай бұрын

Im Alpharius!

@lukkaredwolf3534 Ай бұрын

Hydra dominatus indeed

@fixedG Ай бұрын

And a good morrow to you, Alpharius.

@thekurgan14 Ай бұрын

Wouldn't Urda be worth mentioning as possibly knowing, if in fact the Emperor did make twins?

@nathanstruble2177 Ай бұрын

Interesting that Horus doesn't make this list, I kinda figured he was a shoe in for the "must have known" teir. Also I'm still super convinced they're going to retcon Dorn killing Alpharius, there's money to be made selling an Alpharius model for 40K, and there's plenty of room for shenanigans there, especially since it was written before they decided on the pyrotechnics of a Primarchs death

@john-paulsilke893 21 күн бұрын

Hydras regrow their missing heads. No retcon required. Just reveal a hidden power. They can power up a normal Astartes to near Primarch levels, (without their special sauce however) using their blood. Perhaps they can posses such a blood fuelled Astartes given enough time for their special soul to enter and possess the new body. Both may need to be killed simultaneously, (or close to simultaneously) for their death to stick.

@vortex_1336 11 күн бұрын

They still gave Omegon alive. No need to retcon anything.

@marcustrajan4873 Ай бұрын

My favourite description of what could form the AL's core rationale (and why I despise utopian ideals): "We have come to appreciate that Utopian goals are ultimately counter-intuitive to species survival. No power can engender, or force to be engendered, a state of perfection because perfection is an absolute that cannot be attained by an imperfect species. It is better to manage and maintain the flaws of man on an ongoing basis. " From HH Bk V: Legion by D. Abnett

@Jeremy-kl3ch Ай бұрын

Wolf Lord Rho is the man! Thanks for another great video

@pll3827 Ай бұрын

The whole first found son prophecy focused on Horus may not mean that Alpharius's story about being recovered by the Emperor as a child was a total lie. As a half of one soul. he may not have been technically totally found until Omegon was reunited with him. Horus was also the first found son openly acknowledged by the Emperor himself - that focus by the Emperor may play a lot into the prophecy. It's never a complete lie with Alpharius, there's always a little bit of truth.

@razesentinel3362 Ай бұрын

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@irontuzi3453 Ай бұрын

Vulkan would know. He felt different the second time Vulkan hugged him.

@jamricsloe Ай бұрын

I've always felt Alpharius/Omegon was a case of split personality similar to The Narrator/Tyler Durden in Fight Club. So, no physical twin, but a completely separate personality. I am Alpharius. Rogal never faced Alpharius.

@tremendousyeet3467 Ай бұрын

5:23 Excuse me, but what gamble with Magnus are you referring to?

@edwinnjuguna2740 Ай бұрын

Hydra Dominatus my fellow brothers👊🏾👊🏾, Alpharius and Omegon are alive and they have been protecting the empire ever since the emperor went to sleep. Alpharius can switch souls but it didn't mean that his presence left the Alpha marine he switched bodies with...Omegon awoke him after he cloned himself to die infront of Guilliman. Their spies could even be controlling the major institutions in the imperium and several space marine chapters. "You are not visible,' Malcador continued. 'You are... you could be... the secret shield. The sword in the darkness. The weapon our enemies do not expect, because their focus will be on us. You will do what you must to preserve what we have built, even without instruction, even if...' He trailed off, and sighed. 'This was not intended to be your destiny, but it is the hand that fate has dealt you. Has dealt us all, in fact." Alpharius: Head Of The Hydra, By Mike Brooks

@edwinnjuguna2740 Ай бұрын

Also of course Malcador knew of the existence of Omegon, the spear and Space marine suit Omegon found was not coincidental, infact i belive Omegon was trained by the Aeldari and then the Emperor and Malcador gave him purpose.

@guilherme5094 Ай бұрын

I believe they are both alive and laughing a lot about the whole situation, but that they defend the Empire, no, definitely not.

@ronaldcarver4232 Ай бұрын

Omegon never existed. Deception by Alpharius from the beginning.

@LordMagiru Ай бұрын

There are three heads of the Hydra. Alpharius, Omegon and the Primarch who uses the former two as tools to compartmentalize his own mind in order to keep secrets from himself.

@johanhalvarsson2148 Ай бұрын

They're just a single primarch with multiple personalities like Therese and Jeanette Voerman. Or maybe more like Tyler Durden, created later in life.

@inthefade Ай бұрын

I think the real deception is that they are triplets.

@brando2943 Ай бұрын

Roboute could know of Omegon through Eldrad Ulthran

@ondreoliver4704 Ай бұрын

What if the gray knights have a secret primark?

@izznoogood Ай бұрын

they do, its magnus :P

@jacobriley2874 Ай бұрын

They carry the Emperors geneseed. the Emperor is their primarch,

@browniechann88blackie55 Ай бұрын

The 1st grandmaster of the grey knights was Janus, who held within himself the loyal shard of magnus, so yes, technically, it's magnus

@norddorian5791 Ай бұрын

They do 2 evem Emperror and a shart of Magnus

@Carbonblak Ай бұрын

An entire legion of Bald guys ?! Not a single hair on any of their tiny heads?! We should have seen this coming.

@JayDay01 Ай бұрын

and none of them where black oh yhea definitely should have seen it coming

@toomaskotkas4467 Ай бұрын

@@JayDay01 The deep shit wokie who created that book cover needs some "learning".

@Roscoe113 Ай бұрын

Hear me out, Dorn is held captive by traitor forces and Omegon to his surprise rescues him and he reveals himself to dorn, be cool to bring back 2 primarchs back into the fold, dorn taking command of his forces and omegon with a small loyalist force fighting from the shadows as he’s always done, just a thought HYDRA DOMINATUS

@DahLekKnight Ай бұрын

I think Erda oopsied a second one because she was thinking of matching drama masks.

@Cmdtheartist Ай бұрын

I was wondering if you were going to include Guilliman. He is the details guy. Multitasking to the nth degree, nothing escaping him. I could totally see him using his Terminator/Predator HUD to spot the truth.

@logangodofcandy Ай бұрын

The mere deductive ability of a primarch would essentially require that they figure it out in short order.

@tremendousyeet3467 Ай бұрын

But when met with the disguise abilities of another primarch, not to mention one (two) whose speciality is disguise and subterfuge, that deduction would be countered and neutralized, and against Alpharius Omegon it would be near obliterated. the primarchs are geniuses against custodes and that statement rings more true the lower down the hierarchy you go. but they're matched by one another the same way we are matched by other people. although yes, it's a war in and of itself to hide something like that from a primarch, much less several, if anyone could fight that war it's the twins.

@alexanderwilliams6044 Ай бұрын

My guess is Valdor knew. If the remaining alpha legion primarch is a loyalist I would bet they’ve been working together with the whole king in yellow storyline

@irontuzi3453 Ай бұрын

8:11 Hard to fool the doggo.

@Roofless11 Ай бұрын

I don't believe Horus was first found, I think Alpharious was on Terra and raised by Malcador.

@jltorres1280 Ай бұрын

I would like it if one twin lives, they both live, a twist on the perpetuals. Seems like there is always two of everything among the Primarchs and there is only one Perpetual.

@christopheraaron1255 27 күн бұрын

1:56 except that Dorn is referred to as 7th found son, and he wasn't.

@Michael-t8u2s Ай бұрын

The Emperor didn't even know what Logar was doing. He didn't know where the Primarchs were. Why "must" he know about Omegon?

@john-paulsilke893 21 күн бұрын

He had two Regicide chess pieces representing Alpha and Omega. And it wasn’t a surprise to Malcador.

@jaskegoffii3968 Ай бұрын

Alpharius was first found. Read his primarch novel

@wompastompa3692 29 күн бұрын

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie." -Omegon, pretending to be Alpharius, pretending to be Omegon

@callummoulstone5233 Ай бұрын

Possibly John Gramiticus

@ArgosRho-gh6sc Ай бұрын

When we gonna see a scouring what we know vid Rho?

@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp Ай бұрын

20 - 2 = 18....but wait there was a set of twins? So 19....Well hold on. If we make up 2 & claim that they died & the twin's were really triplets....19 is 20 & 2 don't have to really die.... but 3 Co Primarchs would have a larger Legion. Plus if Alpharius was on Terra the entire time. Then he wasn't really lost. So....Hours Lupreacal was the "first" found.

@nathanstruble2177 Ай бұрын

I actually do like that Horus is still the First Found because Alpharius was never lost

@walterTbaggins Ай бұрын

Horus would still be the first found if Alpharius was never lost boys. Just saying.

@HeartlessNinny1 27 күн бұрын

Not telling people things was the Emperor's favourite pastime

@danielboatright8887 11 күн бұрын

If either Alpharius or Omegon were left on Terra and raised in the palace, of course Horus could still be found first.

@temporal_paradox Ай бұрын

I'm halfway through the video and still don't know anything about Omegon other than he's apparently a twin

@bobmckelvey7905 Ай бұрын

How do we know Rogal and not Guilliman killed Alpharius

@Silverflower351 Ай бұрын

Let me guess Lion'el Johnson knew?

@JayDay01 Ай бұрын

mans like Baskin Robbins he always finds out

@Silverflower351 Ай бұрын

@JayDay01 well no wonder they have around a guy name Cypher and other one the called keeper of secrets 🤔 😏

@dartzspade8622 Ай бұрын

Konrad knew from the beginning. I think Konrad knew far more than any of his brothers but to early and not ready. The reason why big E didnt help Curze was to make him insane and that noone would believe him.Even Guilliman says some words about that.

@hailvictory9698 Ай бұрын

W upload

@Progen77 Ай бұрын

Warp Touched Corvus could have come across something...

@Thomas-der-Zweite Ай бұрын

no Kurze? none of the eldari?

@bidenhasdementia8657 Ай бұрын

Hey all, Rolf lord Who here, sacrificing a comment to the algorithm gods.

@adamcolodney5662 Ай бұрын

I feel like if the split happened because of warp nonsense, the emperor would have just 2nd and 11thed them

@fennrir9809 Ай бұрын

Can you believe how boring it would be if BL confirmed any other primarch knew of Omegon? We wouldn't be getting these theories nor awesome books like Sons of the Hydra