The Secret Origin of Hordak; Mattel Toy, She Ra Enemy, Cartoon Superstar and Scorned Little Brother!

[@n_explosion8199]

I always thought the original 4 horde-members where based on classic monsters with Hordak as a vampire, Grizzlor was the werewolf, Leech the creature from the black lagoon and Mantenna, as the least "obvious", as the Fly...

[@spectorcreative1872]

I suppose that could certainly been part of the original design idea.

[@jameswrona6706]

Modulok = Frankenstein's Monster?

[@violagreene4643]

I always saw them as inspired by Skeletor and his minions: Hordak/Skeletor, Grizzlor/Beast-Man, Leech/Mer-Man, and Mantenna/Tri-Klops.

[@simonnaylor3536]

Interesting. I always saw Skeletor and his minions as Classic Monsters: Skeletor: Skeleton Evil Lyn: Classic Witch Beast Man: Werewolf/Wolfman Merman: Creature from the Black Lagoon Trap-Jaw: Frankenstein Check out The Masters of the Universe Drawing Challenge on Twitter and search Motudrawingchallenge Halloween Fritezone for some great fan art of MOTU characters as Classic Monsters ⚔️👍 Hordak: Dracula

[@19zach75]

That is a great assumption!!!

[@theotakux5959]

Mattel needs to hire someone to take all these stories from the cartoons, comics, and character bios and produce a novel series.

[@spectorcreative1872]

I'm available

[@CapitanJusticia]

Or a movie series!

[@00ghostcobra]

I would definitely buy them..

[@TheUrratha]

@@CapitanJusticia really? Can you imagine what kind of pc woke garbage that would be? The age of movies is over. If you want good entertainment you can forget hollywood. It’s all just sjw propaganda. With extremely few exceptions.

[@corneilusmcgillicuddy]

@@TheUrratha Yeah, just look at what Hollywood did with The Game of Thrones. 😏

[@kalajel]

Never was a huge fan of He-Man back in the days, but watching those videos, I realize what amazing lore this show had.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Quite epic!

[@kalajel]

@@spectorcreative1872 This is the sort of lore which could spawn a good tabletop roleplaying game/wargame. Look at Warhammer 40K... Is there any He-Man RPGs out there? I mean outside the one made in the 80s...

[@yghostest]

the show itself didn't have much coherent lore lol, but the minicomics and also all the "newer" stuff are all pretty solid

[@Dented_Battle_Armor]

Evil Horde is my favorite MOTU faction ever. Totally loved them and went all out to pick all of em as a kid. I also didn't managed to get Fright Zone unfortunately. I did have the rest. I also love the fact all the characters didn't use the same muscular body buck except well Hordak

[@spectorcreative1872]

Which is also why we were able to do him earlier in the Classics line, less new tooling

[@noahdlou1556]

Loved the baby Cable cameo!! Lol

[@spectorcreative1872]

Baby cable always needs a cameo

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

I was able to get them for both Hanukkah and Christmas! Christmas from my mom’s side and Hanukkah from my dad’s side

[@spectorcreative1872]

Nice! He is an all tradition kinda villain

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

@@spectorcreative1872 You’re in CA & I’m in NYS.... it’s speaks for itself 😗😇

[@HePrime34]

There is a He-Man Dreidel?

[@adrionjones]

Man, that was amazing with the chronological order of events. You summed it all up very well.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Glad it was easy to understand. I was afraid with so much stuff it might get mixed up

[@jasonkowitz4598]

Wow, all the points of the storylines are coming together. I really need to get the comics and get caught up on this. Great video!!!

[@spectorcreative1872]

I do hope DC will reprint all the comics in a trade one day

[@LBDNytetrayn]

@@spectorcreative1872 I hope someone does, not being able to read up on this stuff anywhere has been killing me for years now. Even wikis and such haven't recapped things that I've seen.

[@JoeMotionVideos82]

I really love the Evil Horde, Especially Hordack, he was Skeletor on steroids. Thank you for cleaning all of this up, I never fully understood the backstory.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Glad it helps put it all together!

[@robertdemon3550]

I preferred Skeletor and his evil henchmen.

[@killingragethrowback]

Don't know about the comics, but Skeletor always seems to win when up against Hordak in the Filmation series. Hordak can't ever seem to outsmart the guy. Even in the Christmas Special. And there was their one on one fight aboard Horde Prime's ship, which Skeletor won, albiet with a lot of effort.

[@HomeChallengerLilWon]

Hordak ain't fucking with Skeletor or Skelegod

[@HomeChallengerLilWon]

@Megatron Leader of The Decpticons Your right Hordak is equal to or less then greater then Skeletor and probably Skelegod remind you Hordak killed Grayskull and He - Ro. Saved Keldor and made Skeletor but as far as I know aint nobody fucking with Horde prime

[@RetroActionUK]

The Evil Horde is my favourite faction. All great designs and who doesn’t want a legion of Horde Troopers, Modulok and Multi-Bot? The Fright Zone is awesome too and then there’s the Slime Pit. Iconic and controversial. But great playsets none the less.

[@spectorcreative1872]

I address this in a video soon

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

The most unbelievable part of this whole tale is that Orko did something right. Also, back in 85, my sister and I submitted a ton of drawings to the Design a New Figure contest, and we ended up winning the Fright Zone!

[@spectorcreative1872]

nice! There is a video on this coming up soon!

[@geechie-don7157]

Awesome! And I wish we had gotten resurrected Skeletor, I like that ram horn inspired head piece.

[@spectorcreative1872]

He was planned as part of a big multi media event that was canned at the last minute

[@blackfection]

This entire story needs to be made into one big live action movie. 🎦

[@spectorcreative1872]

Make it happen Sony!

[@adamsifford6228]

When I was a kid me and my friend would bring all of our masters of the universe toys to church to play with under the pews. Lol

[@spectorcreative1872]

Nice! But don't let mom see you.

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

Did you make them say, "Pew Pew!" XD

[@Billy11179]

transformers heman matchbox, and gi-Joe came to church every Sunday for quite some time... Memories...its so funny u said this!! I cant believe I was the ONLY one doing it, atleast u admitted it..lol

[@justicierodelaliga]

Masters of the Universe is the best IP that has all the amazing aspects of the sandal/fantasy/Barbarian themes with the added potential of science and magic. I can´t believe no one has been able to make this a huge franchise. Either movies or live action TV series. Not that animation is bad, the 200X series was amazing, but live action could be another Game of Thrones. By the way, ans speaking of amazing TV shows that people most not know of give a chance to Young Justice, Green Lantern: The Animated Series and The Dragon Prince.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Green Lantern: The Animated Series is great and was my gateway to GL expanded lore.

[@spectorcreative1872]

One can only hope a live action will be as epic!

[@justicierodelaliga]

@@spectorcreative1872 Thing is that the mythology is SO rich that it can become a multiple films saga. Similar to Star Wars.

[@justicierodelaliga]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Also forgot to add to the lost the 2000´s Thundercats. Like Master of the Universe it improved upon the original. ...oh, and have to say that owning the original series, the 80´s Thundercats still hold up.

[@justicierodelaliga]

@@spectorcreative1872 I love Barbarian movies/series like Conan, Beast Master and Xena (sort of similar vibe). Thing is, I could understand that this genre is not longer popular. However, the fact that MOTU also adds science and magic makes it unique and commercially viable. ...if not, DC should decide to their own thing with Warlord. And, funny enough, I believe DC also has their "She-Ra" counterpart with Amethyst.

[@woolicane]

Fascinating, I really love these lore videos. It's always made me laugh that a planet like etheria could be the only world we know in the dimension of despondos. We're always told how awful that dimension is, but from what we see it's actually rather nice

[@spectorcreative1872]

Glad to hear it! Please do feel free to share with others on social media. It helps the channel a ton

[@guitarguru.3572]

Yep. It’s like a 1980s fantasy movie on Etheria. Much more enticing than the war-torn Eternia.

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@guitarguru.3572 Etheria was the one with the war.

[@guitarguru.3572]

@@mitchfletcher2386 I guess I probably should have worded that differently. I’m talking about the landscapes and visuals that contrast between the 2. In Etheria, most of what we see is a magical forest with talking trees, little old lady magicians, an archer with a mustache and a heart on his chest, and whatever Kowl is. In Eternia, there’s a lot of destruction from centuries of conflict between the forces of good and evil. The land around Castle Grayskull is in ruins.

[@namolokaman2393]

Love the Mattel's El Segundo building in the background of Hordak's 'Fright Zone'! ☺

[@spectorcreative1872]

Ha!

[@johnmorey720]

Skeletor and Hordak are in a contest as to who can look the most intimidating but be the goofiest and least threatening in person, I swear.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Yet Megatron wins everytime

[@BaneMcDeath]

I wouldn't mind a motu, GI JOE, Transformers crossover.

[@TheCastellan]

Filmation Hordack looked more dorky than cool.

[@Fenrir72]

@@TheCastellan He was cool before Marvel's Apocalypse became relevant!

[@killingragethrowback]

@@BaneMcDeath DC did cross MOTU with Injustice.

[@hemanmmo2973]

I was trying to wrap my head around if warlock hordak is also techo hordak. Well it seems this retroactively made sense. 😊 Thanks

[@spectorcreative1872]

Classics found a way to make it all kinda work

[@David-sg9gz]

I really love the last run of Dc of Masters, there's some taste of the classic He-man mini-comics plus the comic's try to include all the history of the masters in one continuos universe. That's a lot of work! Sometimes the story seems to be so ambiucius of contents, i think, still... is a good run with the classic masters flavor.

[@spectorcreative1872]

It really was a good run and a good time. Made with love

[@35TheDarkknight]

Wow, this is deep deep. I can see this surviving decades

[@spectorcreative1872]

And it keeps getting better

[@magitek09]

Man, that was far more than I was expecting, what a huge video! Loved it!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Glad you enjoyed! Share with others, it helps the channel a ton!

[@summonerstripclub4840]

Hordak’s my fave boi, I love all these toons (especially She-Ra) & the lore is so good

[@spectorcreative1872]

She-Ra was my favorite cartoon too

[@BarryFrancis]

So Skeletor is basically Prince Adam/He-Mans Uncle.

[@firxanza5172]

that's one version of the story, that Skeletor was once Keldor, half-brother of Randor who ended up betraying Eternia, because he wasn't chosen to be king, Keldor attacked the Hall of Wisdom to obtain "the power" from the Elders, but Randor stopped him, during the fight, Keldor tried to kill Randor with an acid tonic, but Randor deflected the substance with his shield, causing it to hit Keldor in the face and melt it off, Keldor survived and escaped, he had to turn to Hordak for help and Hordak's evil magic transformed him into Skeletor in another version, Skeletor was always a "living bone man" and hails from another dimension where every one is a "walking pile of bones", but his home world was taken over by Hordak, and in order to live, Skeletor surrendered himself to Hordak and started serving him, learning dark magic along the way, but the longer he served Hordak, the more he wanted to take control, he eventually betrayed Hordak and banished him to Despondos dimensional prison, he then arrived in Eternia, a world rich with magic and tried time and time again to obtain "the power"

[@renereyes2648]

It’s a shame the animated series got canceled before a lot of these ideals could be realized, hopefully the NETFLIX revival can explore these ideas

[@spectorcreative1872]

I would so watch it!

[@kellerweskier7214]

He-Man line? Because She-Ra already got its revival. From what i see, its alot of rewriting of the end point, starting with the battle that throws Hordak into Atheria. But, from that point on its alternate universe stuff. Alternate Dispondose. This is where the new 2018 She-Ra came into play.

[@scthomas1982]

@@kellerweskier7214 watch it again, it's all about blossoming sexuality and very LGBT positive. I've watched the series 2.5 times with my 4 year old daughter, she loves playing Adora and being powerful!

[@easygrin1127]

@@scthomas1982 well that's cool

[@dreamawake2670]

@@easygrin1127 Puking...

[@Beedo_Sookcool]

Great stuff! I love how it all gets tied in together.

[@spectorcreative1872]

I do keep a lot f string around

[@_misterJ]

Thanks for putting this story together. Would be cool if the new Kevin Smith Heman picks up somewhere in this storyline.

[@spectorcreative1872]

I’d love to see that!

[@rolandkatsuragi]

7:39 "Who Wants to Live Forever?" Was the Queen single from the Highlander film

[@spectorcreative1872]

Likely..

[@gobucs3146]

I had the Fright Zone but none of the Horde, lol.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Well its never too late

[@gobucs3146]

@Pop-Actor (Rick) I did not have Panthor either.

[@tigerbread78]

So really, She-Ra actually has the more powerful arch enemy, plus Hordak has more troops, and She-ra has no Royal guard as back-up

[@greenman5229]

She does though, she has many powerful princess and has the rebel forces.

[@spectorcreative1872]

From a certain point of view, yes

[@killingragethrowback]

@@spectorcreative1872 From the way they interact, it seems Filmation intended for Skeletor to be the slightly stronger of the two in terms of personal combat ability and is the better planner, but Hordak has an army and Skeletor does not. That alone makes Hordak more dangerous. Skeletor wins their fight on Horde Prime's ship one on one, and he always outsmarts Hordak, right from the first She-ra episodes where Hordak is introduced, but Hordak can buy him in robots and he knows it.

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

@@killingragethrowback Hordak was Skeletor's mentor.

[@sethputnamsghost]

Still one of my GOAT villains!🤘

[@alexisjankowski3281]

This is the best MOTU lore video I have seen so far! Fantastic!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Many more on this channel! Feel free to share!

[@alexisjankowski3281]

@@spectorcreative1872 Please don’t stop! Your content is so enjoyable!

[@dfrey7711]

Gifts on Arbor Day? Well done.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Everyone should have their own traditions to pass along

[@Vincent-396]

“A little epic “ is right! Wow! I kept rewinding to understand this lore. Thank you for such in depth videos. I keep finding new-found appreciation for the He-man universe.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Glad you enjoyed Try the movie video too! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3i8ialtoq2nZrM

[@queazy03]

Waoh, these concepts are very epic!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Truly right!

[@unigenius]

Out here stringing all of the different stories together! Lol

[@spectorcreative1872]

It helps to have a spread sheet

[@Novusod]

These stories aren't a continuous arc. There are several different canons that are all retcons of each other. The comics have their own canon which is separate from the Filmation canon which is different from the 200x/MYP canon. Then there are other canons purely based on the toys. In the comic "Masters of Multiverse" the different canons are all acknowledged.

[@garnetgirlvintage9560]

Thanks this was great!! I recently introduced the original He-man & She- re episodes to my toddler nieces & nephews and they all love it. I also think it's crazy how that story feels like exactly what's going on in our real world now? Keep up ur awesomesness.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Thank you! And feel free to repost online to friends. It helps the channel a ton!

[@FunKorpseZombiePops]

Love Hordak, Skeletor is kinda like his apprentice, correct? Infected with technology, like-nano bot injection

[@spectorcreative1872]

A bit like that

[@FunKorpseZombiePops]

@@spectorcreative1872 black slime Instead of Black Ooze Now I want Funko to make the Anti He Man as a pop, they have the slime pit one already. It would also be cool if sometimes the two packs that include a figure and a “ride,” would sometimes have Faker paired up with Panthor as a set like the He Man and Battle Cat sets. When I was a kid I painted my Power Punch He Man blue, so I had a power punch Faker, lol :-)

[@laloflores1029]

Sin duda, un muy interesante personaje, buen vídeo!!!!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Mucho Gracias!

[@jive238]

Hey wait you didn't get back to Hordak's blue blood when his arm got cut off, I was waiting for something to happen with that. I like MOTU lore and Hordak especially though I only ever watched the 200X series. I just found him real cool but you barely get to see him do anything, so I just developed this longing thirst for more Hordak.

[@spectorcreative1872]

You are right! On Hordak's toy bio it notes that his blood rose to the surface while on Etheria which is why he loos like he has blue skin there.

[@jive238]

@@spectorcreative1872 I wonder if that means he has poor circulation in his head which is why it's still white. Still a pretty neat idea though.

[@DevilMaster]

@@jive238 If I had to write an explanation for that, I'd write that Hordak's species evolved a thick layer of keratin over the face, for both protection and offense, which makes it feel more like a thickened toenail than human skin. That, incidentally, would make his forehead crest similar to a rhino's horn.

[@lucasbachmann]

1980s minicomic Hordak is basically the ancient warlord that he was in 200X. Those are all online. Filmation Hordak is a subtly different character as the Horde is not Ancient in Filmation - they are a galactic empire like Star Wars has. That Hordak has the most screen time. This is what makes it difficult to do Ancient Hordak and She-ra at the same time. These videos are of course the background of the ironically recent "classic line" continuity.

[@theoncomingstorm8009]

I stumbled upon He-Ro and He-Ro II. I like these missing histories.

[@spectorcreative1872]

It is a fun part of the toys

[@gibranlewis7300]

Part 1 of Comment: What I most want to say is how much I love that Hordak is holding together the larger He-Man & She-Ra franchise as the greatest current unifying thread between various He-Man reboots & She-Ra reboots, and the magnificent dramatic irony of that. I'll get back to that shortly. It seems unfair, though, to say that the "girls'" division stole Hordak, since that branch of Mattel's toy production never took over production of any Horak toy: he only appeared in the minicomic that came with the original She-ra toys, & that was necessary to explaining her story ( & was also almost certainly done by the same team & artists who created the "boys'" minicomics for the other He-Man & Masters toys). It seems more that FILMATION decided Hordak would make a better villain for the larger story of She-ra than would catra alone, & wanted him and the Horde ( likely to help keep boys engaged in a way that just an ongoing cat-fight between She-ra & Catra wouldn't have, especially back then ) to make for a more complete cast of villains for the show, & that Mattel, the "boys'" line very much included, agreed, since the He-Man show was about to be cancelled anyway, & She-ra's movie & subsequent show were the only way Hordak & the Horde were going to get any on screen air time. And, I cannot emphasize this enough... Hordak being shifted to the role of She-ra's primary villain is one of the BEST things to happen in the ENTIRE MOTU(POP) history of creative decisions. It is SUCH a GOOD thing that Lou Schimer & all the folks under his leadership over at FILMATION decided to go that route ( or, at least, that they decided to double down on that path; Mattel had already set it up by having Hordak be the one to abduct Adora, & by having him banished in a horrible corner of Etheria, but FILMATION stayed the course, whereas the minicomics soon veered away to a Catra only focus [ I LOVE the way the minicomics made Catra more powerful & formidable, & hope that aspect of her will appear in future reboots BUT with her still in allegiance with Hordak ]), and that they held a larger vision of a unified He-Man & She-ra mythology & greater story arch; whereas the gender divided male & female teams at Mattel at the time were too busy being petty & punitive to manage the same feat. Now, I like She-ra, Catra & the ladies having realistic hair, so that much I wouldn't have changed from the "girls'" department. I always thought it made them prettier & more attractive ( i.e. more alluring & sexy to my little boy self, even though at the time I had no idea what either of those two words meant lol ) than the Teela & Evil-Lyn toys ( as I child, I wasn't even sure Evil-Lyn wasn't bald headed under that helmet!! lol ). Having said that, I have repeatedly stated that the "girls'" choice to ( at least in the USA, the European division seemed to go a more sensible & effective gender neutral route ) market She-ra in virtually the same way they did Barbie & my-little-pony was a poor choice, alienating the male market in a way that more gender neutral commercials ( like that epic one from the UK, which features a He-Man toy, and then has Catra & She-ra racing along on their mounts through storm clouds, Neverending Story style, with an epic "I need a Hero"-esque choir doing a background overture )would not have. Then, evidently still salty about the "girls'" division stealing She-ra, the "boys" division seemingly decided not to include She-ra in the He-man focused minicomics ( to Mattel's later detriment ), & the "girls" team re-revenged by not putting He-Man or any of the rest of the masters in any of later She-ra comics. And I think those choices, born out of a mix of petty competition between those two divisions at Mattel, and also of actual sexist gender segregating, did a lot of harm to the potential sales. I think if more of He-man's minicomics included She-ra and her friends in action roles against Hordak, the Snake men etc., boys would have been more interested in having her and the girls would have been more interested in getting whatever He-Man toys came with comics that feature She-ra adventures: the same is true on the other side; MORE He-Man & Skeletor in more She-ra toy minicomics would have moved more boys ( who were more into comic books anyway ) to buy toys of She-ra's friends, because they would want to get those comics, and it would have been the only way to do so ( and also a good cover for all of those boys who wanted the toy anyway but felt awkward asking for a "girls'" toy lol ). I very much think that the way your MOTU Classics team ( & you all deserve SOMUCH credit for properly reunifying Maters/POP in official Mattel toy-minicomics!!) BRILLIANTLY packaged & with the bios ( aside from that excessively barbaric ugliness y'all used Mermista to commit against poor Merman ), & the DC line that heavily involved He-man & She-ra did things, in terms of the full inclusion & unified He-Man&She-ra, Eternia&Etheria mythology storyline was the right & best way to do things, as of course FILMATION had essentially done all those years before. Back to what I was saying about how GOOD it is that FILMATION maintained Hordak as a She-ra villain , that choice, following up on the great story of the abduction, helped to solidify a real sense of unity & of a shared story and history between all things He-Man/Eternia & all things She-ra/Etheria ( the "boys'" line minicomics decision to continue using Hordak as a third faction villain against He-Man & Skeletor was actually ALSO essential, though they could easily have done this while still sometimes bringing She-ra into the fold ). The initial abduction story itself was definitely great, though I suspect it at least started at Mattel & was part of She-ra's backstory pretty much from the start, even before the first Filmation still was made for her: that story is so much better, and adds so much more epic drama & layering, than if Hordak just showed up the way King Hiss did, as some back in the day baddie who used to be Skeletor's boss. The abduction elevated Hordak from "season next boss baddie & threeway antagonist" to the archetypal realm of dark fairytale antagonist, an evi warlock showing up to menace a king & queen by snatching away one of their children like something straight out of ye olde Grimm Brothers adaptations of ancient fairy folktales. It gave him a personal history, and a deeply traumatic & ( once remembered by them ) feud creating ( or drastically & dramatically exacerbating ) one with Adam/He-Man's family & the entire monarchy of Eternia: it also adds a stunningly dynamic layer to his larger history with both Skeletor & the royals, if we ( as I do ) take the Keldor story as the most true Skeletor background: in kidnapping Adora & making her one of his highest captains in the Horde, Hordak established a pattern of corrupting the descendants of King Miro & of Grayskull ( though in my idealized timeline of events, instead of Hordak's spirit guiding Skeletor all the way the minicomics version of events where Hordak is released by Evil-Lyn, I would have synced things more with the FILMATION & old minicomics storylines, by having Keldor, under Hordak's instructions, have freed Hordak to re-enter Eternia BEFORE Evil-Lyn did... then Hordak makes Skeletor his chief lieutenant, & runs amok on Eternia for about a decade or two, culminating with he & Skeletor abducting baby Adora as in the movie, & with Skeletor THEN betraying Hordak & RESEALING him in Etheria, just as the original comics & cartoon assert. Evil-Lyn frees Hordak again 16 to 20 years later, because, as you say, that's what Evil-Lyn does lol. As I began stating at the start of this commentary, the decision by FILMATION to keep Hordak as She-ra's chief villain, alongside Mattel continuing to send him into He-Man stories in the minicomics, has resulted in this EPIC & excellent grand dramatic irony: that after all these years, in SPITE of the current studio reboots seeming insistence on themselves emulating original Hordak's old & most infamous crime of keeping twins Adam/He-Man & Adora/She-ra separated from one another, AND IN SPITE of the pettiness, infighting & gender biases of Mattel's "girls'" & "boys"' line in the 1980s ( &, indeed, of the gender bigotries of the whole culture at the time regarding things as trivial as toys with realistic hair versus toys without it [ ridiculous, really ] ) which evidently led them to go on keeping the twins apart ( again, Hordak-style ) in most of the minicomics, it is Hordak himself who has done the MOST & who gets the mvp award for continuing to provide the most evident & undeniable unifying thread between the two halves of the fractured He-Man&She-ra franchise, by continuing to show up as an unmistakable leading villain in television reboots of both He-Man & She-Ra alike.

[@gibranlewis7300]

Part 2 of cmment *whew!!* lol: A final related note ( I may say this elsewhere again later, so, ya know, forewarned lol ): I think the move to Dreamworks may end up being a good thing for He-Man, She-ra & all things MOTU(POP) for THIS one reason... while the need to sell toys gave us these epic characters & stories, I think, ever since the franchise fell into decline in the later 80s, the demand on the brand to have to keep selling toys that children will buy has been a constant Achilles' heel for the whole brand. The 2002 show appealed to adult nostalgia, and to the viewing patterns of teenagers/young-adults who were into anime action shows like Inuyasha & Cowboy Bebop. The problem for toy-makers and for the He-Man brand as dependent on toy sales is that teenagers/young adults, while they make for a great new fanbase for a franchise like He-Man&She-ra, don't buy a lot of action-figure/doll toys: they buy lots of video games, they go to movies, they start trying to drive, trying to have sex, getting part time jobs, getting ready for & going to college, but for the most part, by the mid-teens, they've stopped doing a lot of toy buying, & yet most of them have not yet gotten into collector focused buying. Basically, that demographic of new young viewers; basically, they're the demographic represented by movies like The Breakfast Club, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, A Different World, Euphoria, & Grownish: & most of them are too old to be comfortable buying a lot of action-figure/doll toys. The 2002 He-man definitely bought new young viewers into the franchise... but not one's young enough to be what they needed; action figure consumers. All that to say, I think Dreamworks, which is a studio & focused on things like subscriptions & viewers, is NOT dependent on toy sales & is not driven by them in the way that a toy company is. Dreamworks can prioritize JUST making a good He-Man&She-ra series that old school fans can overwhelmingly embrace & that will have the type animation & story quality to draw in new teenage & young adult viewers, without being beholden to whether or not the series is going to have enough little kid appeal to sell 20 million play toys. Thus, MOTU(POP), hopefully once again taken as a unified whole and singular entity, will finally be able to be looked at the way the DC, Marvel, Star Wars, Lord of The Rings, Harry Potter, and now even old video game ip Castlevania are viewed: as an entertainment franchise FIRST, that subsequently can sell items like toys, games etc, RATHER than primarily as an engine for toysales that automatically gets cancelled if 6 year olds don't show up to Walmart ( mentally shedding a tear for ToysRUs, and trying to keep any real ones from forming now that I think about that place being as lost to me now as my childhood lol, ). P.S. Please forgive any typos, it was a lot of typing, and it's very late where I am. Also, forgive the commentary having turned into a novella.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Oh yes! I agree. He is the glue that holds it all together in a crazy way!!

[@gibranlewis7300]

@@spectorcreative1872 Indeed!! The twins original separator serving as the main linchpin. lol

[@christopherarnold6686]

Thanks for explaining it better!!!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Always glad to! Tell your friends. ;-)

[@Billy11179]

This was awesome!! I could listen to this for hours!! perfect for a boring monday nite....

[@spectorcreative1872]

More to come!

[@ashrogers1917]

Awesome video. Been watching all of your MOTU stuff, fantastic insights for an old school fan like me. Thank You!!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Thrilled you like! Please feel free to share online with others, it helps the channel a ton

[@danielrecommends]

What a crazy storyline! Definitely a lot to keep up with but also fills in several gaps.

[@spectorcreative1872]

It helps to keep a notepad around

[@berkajr3685]

Yet again you deliver. I never read the last few mini comics since I am a collector for boxed figures. It is awesome to see how it all goes together. Don't get me wrong, I love all your videos. But this video is definitely top 5.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Nice! I most appreciate the kind words. Please feel free to pass along to anyone on social media. It helps the channel a ton

[@FancyxToast]

15:17 *me, a stratos ride or die* Scott: "shes of course confronted with eternias #1 champion..." Me: "stratos" Scott: "Stratos" Me: "NO WAY" Scott: "I mean he-man" Me: *cries*

[@spectorcreative1872]

Oh boy...

[@frantikcflamez]

I grew up as a kid watching , reading and collecting The Masters Of The Universe in the early 80's. Now after watching this. I'm certain MOTU can bigger than Game Of Thrones.

[@spectorcreative1872]

And more kid friendly!

[@supermoduleprime]

Just got my first copy of this Hordak. I dont know if I should open it but im stoked. BTW.. lol gotta love the silhouette of the Duck Trump Brothers on 8:20 for comparing brotherly luv lol 😆 that was awesome.

[@waffensuperninja]

excellent video as always and the storyline wasn't the only thing that was epic your intro was also epic thanks for all of your hard work

[@spectorcreative1872]

Glad you liked both! Feel free to share with others on social media. It helps the channel a ton

[@adamlongstring8967]

WOW I dont understand why the whole story hasnt been made into a full fledged Epic Semi real life action Movie Series! 🎬

[@spectorcreative1872]

Seriously right!

[@zsedz]

This morning i watched your video "The secret origin of skeletor" while getting dressed for work. I thought "cool, but last week, there was some other dude who explained the story of skeletor even better". Now, youtube recommended this video to me, which i started to watch and i thought to myself "man i gotta find that other dude, who explained skeletors story so well! " and i checked my timeline. It was your Video "why does skeletor want to take over castle grayskull anyway?". You now have another subscriber.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Well thank you and welcome to the channel!~ Topic suggestions always welcome.

[@zsedz]

@@spectorcreative1872 So i heard the netflix series will "continue" where the old series left us, so maybe you could give us a summary of what happened before we watch the new show? (i'm sorry if you already did this somewhere) I love your content !

[@mortagon1451]

Hordak was my favorite villain and my favorite figure. Great video as always. :)

[@spectorcreative1872]

He is pretty bad ass

[@DCMarvel2009]

Well, looks like Hordak did what Palpatine never could and actually took out his apprentice INTENTIONALLY before dying. I like how you were able to tie in the 80s lore with the MYP lore. Good stuff, I love listening to it!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Hordak vs. Palapatine. I'd like to see that fight!@

[@kazkk2321]

This was an interesting backstory. I am happy to have learned it. Very informative

[@spectorcreative1872]

Topic suggestions always welcome!

[@ExaltedMarauder]

Cool video! I hope the upcoming Netflix series does this franchise justice. I don't suspect Hordak will show up, but if the series does well we may get another season and chances are great Hordak will make an appearance there, perhaps providing the link the show would need to its sister show, She-Ra.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Me too! We need good motu content

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

That would be so cool!!!!! Unfortunately, they screwed up the licensing, so I doubt Netflix's She Ra could be connected to the new He Man. :( They're owned by different companies!

[@andy5866]

I love your vids scott thanks man makes my day every time we get a new one

[@spectorcreative1872]

Thrilled to hear it! Please do share with others on social media. It helps the channel a ton

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

Another Saturday morning awesome video!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Saturday is the best day!

[@patrickwentzell4638]

@@spectorcreative1872 television shows and movies often leave us with the mysteries of certain characters. the life how they started out complete history of existence. a hint in the transformer movie series gave a little insight to this fact. Megatron and Prime were not always rivals in the beginning. that Heman and SheRa got separated at birth for safe reasons. Shadow Weaver gave up her beauty to become a powerful evil sorceress. but what did her face look like and what about Orco his face and origin was never revealed to anyone not even his closest friends knows of his origin. but some of us are curious we have a basic need to know these things. it took time before learning that Jedi and Sith in Star Wars are not always what they appear to be. Peter Pan and Captain Hook were not always the enemies we seen in the movies. Dungens and Dragons animated series also had mysteries within that show. I'm sure answers are coming perhaps a sequel to Masters Of The Universe will give insight to what happens next.

[@lyktahlyktah8528]

I have been a huge he-man fan and quite a huge he-man masters of the universe nerd however this is the first time I’ve ever heard that horde prime and hordak are brothers. That’s very interesting Thanks for sharing

[@spectorcreative1872]

Glad you enjoyed! It did come from the Filmation series. Horde Prime had a son that was Hordak's nephew.

[@majamarple8936]

What a story 😱😱😱 thank you!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Always happy to entertain. Please do pass to others online, it helps the channel a ton!

[@pauljustice1819]

Fantastic Scott, another great video. I never understood even now how Skeletor is the apprentice of Hordak, when he is of Magic and Hordak of Science. You would think Skeletor would have been under Shadow Weaver.

[@spectorcreative1872]

It’s all a great magic circle

[@benquirobiequiratman4646]

totaly Mass Effect only there s cloneing there this planetes in this Horde Story are massive universes space if ever Played Mass Effect different planets to travel to. different city s to see

[@benquirobiequiratman4646]

HeNan to the Rescue for Vad bad Uncle

[@benquirobiequiratman4646]

totaly Elric’s stories Creator of. MOTU was inspired by Rlric Mrldabone Other Dtories like Conan. Almost A Frank Frazetta Imagination but live cartoon of Fantasy SyFy Elric Meldabone Albino Elf wilder of the Eternal champion. Sword later Become The Black sword ⚔️ Eater of Souls Elric Had A brother like. Keldor & Randor are Brothers. Story is that Elric Killed His own Rais e they More Darker then Elric then later On he Runs into A warrior Called Hawkmoon can Be HeMan inspiration was Hawkmoon another Eternal Champion

[@charishhamilton7227]

This info/lore was great. Please keep up the great work!!!!

[@spectorcreative1872]

More coming! Tell your friends!

[@ransomwarevirus3474]

Awesome Vlog.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you.😉👍

[@spectorcreative1872]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching and the kind comment

[@archlogan5573]

I really enjoyed this video. It some ways, this was like the larger overall storyline of MOTUC. It left me with one nagging question though! Does Horde Lord have origins outside of MOTUC? Is he something adopted from the archives, or a more recent character?

[@spectorcreative1872]

If memory serves, it was the UK comics

[@305CHICOXL]

Nice. Masters of the universe revolution followed this almost perfectly. Nice to finally see this animated. So what's next? Despara vs He man, the resurrection of Hordak? Horde prime makes an entrance? Looking good story wise for season 3

[@owenwildish331]

The He-Man series (among others) was a major childhood inspiration for my 'Power of Omegus!' sci-fi trilogy I came up (Omegus, 'Supreme Emperor of the Imperium Empire' being the most powerful villain in all existence, who battles against the heroic scientist/special agent Dr Todd Roone of the W.D.F.) I'd love to see a crossover with He-Man & She-Ra if I ever write my story and if it becomes popular, Omegus would be the greatest threat to Eternia if he discovered that world (as he would be to any world that has the power that he craves)

[@spectorcreative1872]

That is awesome. A sign of a good toy line is how much it inspires us in life

[@cinnamonbun1379]

Power of Amogus lmao

[@owenwildish331]

@@cinnamonbun1379 lol

[@Vampiranhador]

Always loved there being more than one big bad, makes for a great dynamic and all three of them are pretty friggin' awesome too

[@spectorcreative1872]

And get cooler with each year

[@chickenbites8877]

I absolutely LOVED my Vintage Hordak figure!

[@spectorcreative1872]

He was amazing. so many memories!

[@chickenbites8877]

@@spectorcreative1872 I'd *really* love the MOTU Classics "Filmation" 2.0 Hordak on my display shelf, but sadly I've only just discovered that line and he goes for over £200 on ebay, which is out of my reach :'(

[@GuTRoT-OwN]

Cool stuff. I loved the horde as a kid. they were the bad asses of the toybox

[@spectorcreative1872]

They certainly were!

[@elextrano7597]

I was literaly doing bussines on a red area of my contry (it looks like a zonbie apocalipse) and found Origins Hordak just there... I have the big 3 now...

[@spectorcreative1872]

Nice

[@OzzieAstaroth]

Since finding these comics is next to impossible without large sums of money and time, I really hope at least some of it gets used in one of the upcoming MOTU animated shows on Netflix. There is so much potential for great content here, and it would work as a series of movies to boot!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Oh me too! Or maybe DC can friggin reprint them already in a trade!!!

[@Born_Stellar]

I don't know if you already have, but could you do a video or series about the entire plot of MOTU? I didn't realize it was so in depth and went so far into the future!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Check out thé gréât battles playlist!

[@cykodestructo5316]

I wish I could like this vid a thousand times

[@spectorcreative1872]

Well you can share it with 1,000 friends! That does help the channel a ton. Thank you for the kind words

[@cosmiquealiene6168]

This was pretty interesting! I had no idea Hordak's OG design was inspired by a mask or that Bruce Timm drew the first comic about him. I'm a big fan of the latest iteration of Hordak and he has a completely different backstory. In this universe, Horde Prime is a cult leader as well as ruler of a massive empire and Hordak is a clone of his, who was thrown out of Prime's army for being disabled and therefore "worthless". Hordak wants to be accepted by Prime and tries to conquer Etheria by setting up a Horde army there, in the hope of impressing his "brother" and proving he isn't worthless. Scorpia, Catra and Octavia are amongst his army! Adora was raised in the Horde too, but defects after befriending Princess Glimmer of Brightmoon and her best friend Bow. Adora doesn't have a wicked cool battle suit/persona in the new one and certainly no buzzcut, though I can imagine some lesbians might wish she did. XD Adora forms the Princess Alliance with various royals in order to take down the Horde. An autistic princess named Entrapta gets accidentally left behind on a mission to the Fright Zone and Catra and Scorpia convince her to work for the Horde instead, as their technology expert. She starts working beside Hordak and finds out about his backstory and disability. She tells him not to be ashamed of his disability, having one herself, and that "imperfection is beautiful". Hordak falls in love with her and as a result, when Prime shows up again, he eventually kills his big brother to protect Entrapta, the woman who showed him he was worth something. It's such a beautiful love story! :) I'm currently reading a fanfiction in which Hordak is Prime's literal brother and it's super good, especially when they find Etheria and meet lots of other familiar characters from She Ra!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Yeah, everything in this video predates the She-Ra Netflix show which went in a different direction

[@samhaskins127]

Thank you for this great summary & trip down memory lane. But is there really no complete, collection of all these stories? 😲

[@spectorcreative1872]

Alas, DC comics has not reprinted them as of yet. Let them know this is something you would like to see!

[@samhaskins127]

@@spectorcreative1872 Thank you for the insight! And keep up the great work 👍

[@BlueSatoshi]

With all this lore, MOTU's basically to the 80s what Bionicle was to the 00s. Didn't grow up with it (90s kid), but now I wanna learn more about it...

[@spectorcreative1872]

Many videos to check out on this channel to help!

[@psibernight2177]

I would pay good money to have this all centralized in some kind of encyclopedia or main continuity.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Dark Horse has done this! Quite a few good coffee table books are out there

[@Goldenbane]

And in the Richard Klosterman head cannon, in the end, everyone is brought back to life for one gigantic battle in which Faker emerges victorious with his new bestest buds Draego Man and Trap Jaw! Seriously though, Scott, is there any way we could get a video about Draego Man? I think he's one of the absolute coolest things ever to come out of Classics! I want to know so much more about him!

[@spectorcreative1872]

I'm going in order of release, so he isn't too far off!

[@scottandrewhutchins]

@@spectorcreative1872 I remember Fang man and Lizard Man in early Filmation episodes and how they just disappeared.

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

Damn i Had those Toys at 3:35 min. too.... So AWESOME!!😎

[@spectorcreative1872]

Nice!

[@leoalcaraz6153]

That 02 design hordak looks bad ass

[@spectorcreative1872]

Very much so. Still want a figure of that

[@tonyjackson4078]

I always saw the original Horde members as Hordak "upgrading" his crew based of Skeletors base crew. Grizzlor- Even more Beast Man than Beast Man. Leech- Creepier sea creature than Mer Man. Mantenna- Tri Clops may have more eyes but both are spies and Mantenna was Lovecraftian horror. Modulok- Trap Jaw can change arms, Modulok can change his whole body. Even in the cartoon Hordak had Shadow Weaver to Skeletors Evil-Lynn. Granted with the added lore, maybe Skeletor had made his crew with "lesser" versions of the Horde members.

[@spectorcreative1872]

I saw it that way too!

[@citadelli]

Dang those classics ideas were pretty cool

[@spectorcreative1872]

Made with love!

[@davidanderson4748]

I always felt like Hordak was disrespected from the get go and was one of the biggest mismanaged characters of the whole line. I mean, they went to all this effort to create a guy who made a guy with a skull for a face seem tame by comparison. When the commercials introduced this new ultimate evil that even frightened Skeletor, I was totally on board. So, did they take this instantly iconic design and personality and portrayed it as the ultimate evil? The biggest bad guy of all, worthy of training Skeletor and challenging both he and He-Man? Nope, he was shuffled off to fight a bunch of rooted hair dolls and a guy with a heart on his chest. But the indignity didn't stop there! No, he was quickly demoted to second banana so he could cower to Horde Prime. His henchmen, who judging by the figures, were supposed to be bizarre and terrifying were quickly reduced to comic relief. Grizzlor wasn't a terrifying beast of legend, just another idiot. Same with Leech. And Mantenna, maybe one of the most f---ed up and scary figure designs in the line was reduced to nothing more than a clown. Modulok was like something out of John Carpenter's The Thing, but spent most of his time in front of a computer console. And the disrespect didn't stop there. The 200X series was cancelled before we got to see Hordak truly arrive in his full glory. The comics mentioned in the video have him defeated by Skeletor. I mean the whole point of Hordak was that He-man had been defeating Skeletor time and again for the past couple of years and needed an adversary who really tested him. Yet Hordak was continually bested by Skeletor in just about every iteration, which torpedoed his whole reason for being. Then even the toy line quickly forgot what he was supposed to be ... introducing King Hiss as the new ultimate bad guy. All of the sudden everything was Snakemen, and the Horde was kind of forgotten. Even guys like Blast Attack, who seemed like a hoard figure, were now Snakemen figures.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Yeah, the girls group kinda, well, see here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYCyf4d3prWboLc

[@oscarrobledo5095]

I was able to get the fright zone and the slime pit. It was very cool. Even had castle Grayskull. Was a lucky kid.

[@spectorcreative1872]

You were! Great time to be a kid it was

[@phillipdry3696]

Now I have to check all my comic book stores to see if this story has been collected into a PTB

[@spectorcreative1872]

It has not, but if you want to see it ask DC comics to print it!

[@heisenbat]

I'm glad you mentioned Isaac Asimov. I love his work, I keep hunting for his older works, specifically novels

[@spectorcreative1872]

His stuff is great, and a huge influence on Star Wars clearly. I mean a character name Han in a galactic Empire?

[@heisenbat]

@@spectorcreative1872 thanks for replying. I wanted to say thanks to you cause you're one of the content creators here in KZbin who actually replies to the comments from fans. Of all the channels I sub'd to, you're the one of two who actually replies 😊

[@christophermoody6840]

The funny part about all these He-Man videos explaining the origins and different characters and stuff is... if you watch the episode of "The Toys that made us" on Netflix that focused on He-Man... you'll see just how much they were just throwing shit at the wall to see what stuck as far as character design. All this explanation is post hoc now that geek culture is super mainstream & demands that everything have this in depth story behind it to justifyits existence. Everything has to be Tolkien or something... truth is... they were just selling plastic, it was never that deep. But I love hearing how they ended up having to piece all this stuff together into and make it into a universe. They're doing the same thing with Star Wars I feel like. What was supposed to be a fun little romp about Space Samurai and Space Cowboys/Outlaws 40 odd years ago now has to be Hamlet or something... it ain't that deep.

[@spectorcreative1872]

Oh it is definitely true, and a big reason with Classics since that was an adult collector line we wanted to use that to flesh out the story more and make it more epic

[@williamwilkinson381]

More isn't always best ...too much of some can be a bad thing... like if you over feed a gold fish it will die ..

[@ultramegatrion]

In history class once, we were reading about the Mongol Horde and a kid yelled out...the leader is HORDAK!!!!!

[@mostafafarweez3161]

WOW :) Really great video. I like it :)

[@spectorcreative1872]

Thanks! Welcome to the channel

[@LordRollo]

Who doesn't want to live forever?...you're joking right?....doesn't matter, I love your love of this franchise SC, especially your intimate knowledge of the behind the scenes toy stuff...cheers rollo

[@spectorcreative1872]

Not I! And I plan to

[@DocWolph]

I think there was a collected book of these mini-comics. If I knew what was in it, I would have it now.

[@spectorcreative1872]

I wish DC would put one out. Let them know you would like to see it!

[@Hobby_Hooligan]

So I think as a child this was my favorite he-man wave. Grey battle plate he-man was just coolest. I still prefer that look over any newer ones although I did see a figure sculpt that made he-man into a barbarian that was epic looking!

[@spectorcreative1872]

Epic is a great way of putting it

[@killingragethrowback]

The old filmation series also showed us that the apprentice has surpassed the master. Skeletor always seems to get the better of Hordak one on one or scheme for scheme, but Hordak has an army that Skeletor can't match and those resources keep him in the game.

[@spectorcreative1872]

And a rematch would be great

[@knightwolfpro4494]

I feel like I missed that last mini-comic. I'll have to go back through and look through my collection. I don't remember anything about the Horde Papa either. I actually managed to get an extra Dispara and I had an Extra Adora, so I took Adora's head, hands and gun belt and swapped them with Dispara to create my own Ultimate Force Captain Adora. She looks really good too IMO.

[@spectorcreative1872]

One of my favorite figs that I didn't work on!

[@qwertystania]

It makes me wonder what the original plan for Hordak would have been if the original toy line and/or the filmation TV show would have gone on longer, as well as the Horde not being taken over by the girls group with She-ra.

[@spectorcreative1872]

I think the book by Kilpin and Timm is the best place to look

[@maverick7291]

"She is confronted by Eternia's #1 champion Stratos..I mean He-man" No no, you got it right the first time :)

[@spectorcreative1872]

I knew it!

[@raven1nickie2]

Thank you for sharing the storyline. I've always been a fan of princess of power since I was a kid because the storyline of evil vs good battle I felt was pretty awesome then watching GiJoe or transformers.

[@spectorcreative1872]

It was a great cartoon afternoon we once had

[@morisu7926]

1:00 Just like Spiderman and Venom teaming up to take down Carnage. Right?

[@michaelparylak5649]

I have this figure I always wondered about its origins. Thanks for making this. I recognize it as a Mattel toy related to the he-man series. However, I was not familiar with She-Ra in depth. I like that word "zombified".

[@spectorcreative1872]

With the way the rights issues are screwed up, it is confusing to all