The Secret Truth About Whis

Is Whis in Dragon Ball Magic? We discuss The Secret of Whis from Dragon Ball Super, The Angels, the Secret Origin of Whis, and the inspiration behind the Angel of Universe 7 and why Whis' trains Goku. Whis Ultra Instinct Explained is also discussed. @jordanthedragonlee1270 joins me on Saiyuki.
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[@dreadrath]

Even looking back at Goku and Vegeta's past teachers (I use "Teachers" very loosely in Vegeta's case) Goku has had a lot of very zen sorts of teachers who focus on training the body and clearing the mind, Grandpa Gohan, Master Roshi, Kami, even King Kai. Vegeta on the other hand had egotistical schemers and cunning, manipulative and brutal "Mentors" first in his own father, and, most of all, strange as it sounds, Frieza who was the standard of power Vegeta sought to surpass in his early life and probably learnt a lot from, even if Frieza wasn't officially his mentor, I'd wager all of early Z Vegeta's cunning and talent for underhanded strategy, much of it he likely picked up from observing Frieza, and now Vegeta is learning directly from a G.O.D, Beerus.

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

You forgot one of Goku's other early mentors, Korin.

[@dreadrath]

@@Gillian_FFXIV(Facepalms) Damn, you're right, how the heck could I forget the damn cat.

[@emanuelrouson676]

Vegeta also learned spirit fission from the yardrats

[@quikdeath100]

I think it’s a total of lack of teachers for Vegeta past whatever age he was when Frieza destroyed his home planet. From that time on he was his own teacher. It appears no one in Frieda’s army taught him anything and Frieza didn’t even bother to train himself let alone Vegeta. Imo Vegeta’s path to ultra ego was a result of finally having a teacher in Whis, experiencing significant improvement from that training, which helped give him the confidence to seek out more teachers and carve his own path. Up until meeting Whis his only path was to achieve whatever form Goku achieved solely on the basis “well we’re both Saiyans so I should be able to do that too”

[@SpikeTheWolf]

Soooo is this true did Akira thought of this or nah??

[@prodigyskater2543]

Didn’t think anyone could make me like Gogeta even more without ever mentioning him

[@Avatar_Ken]

The point that was made about the headband interests me a lot. It’s also very reminiscent of Broly and Paragus, especially in the old Z movie.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

I always love when you have this guy on, it always gets super deep

[@davjohn3000]

They kinda used that concept with gas after his headband was removed he went into a berserker state but later gained control over himself as well as Kale and broly so I can definitely see the parallel.

[@shaqcarroll3726]

If nobody ain’t gone say it I will…. Bro it hasn’t been any new dragon ball content in years. Stop killing these videos man 😂. You covered everything already

[@crestofhonor2349]

Whis is one of my favorite new characters in DB

[@davidspraguedragonman6479]

Ooh! I’ve been waiting for another video relating to the Angels for a WHILE!

[@AngelMerus]

So basically ui is triggered by being calm and in control while there's a jarring shock to the emotions this is what merus said in the manga and beerus says he only focuses on destruction and nothing else and he is detached from any attachments therefore his mind is clear and only focuses on Destruction so beerus achieves the flow by using one mindedness and whis and the angels achieve it by being unbiased and unbothered and calm.

[@SpikeTheWolf]

Soo beer thinks and angels don't think?

[@kongdaddy]

Random question do you think we would see anything with vegeta brother that they mentioned in super in the future?

[@shameronstar7220]

So Gogeta/Vegito is basically Goku and Vegeta in their perfected and balanced state?

[@yumin_pluto558]

Always has been.

[@GuyVick]

That’s why they’re the perfect warrior when fused

[@SpikeTheWolf]

I always saw goku calm and vegeta aggressive. Opposite always make the best combination. Like ryu or ken or characters who have Opposite elements like fire and ice.

[@yumin_pluto558]

@@SpikeTheWolf That’s why Goku has UI which requires calm. It rewards him for fighting in a way that is calm and without disorder.

[@DapperPup]

Has it really been ten years since Battle of Gods?

[@RalphyMarz]

This will make vegeto even more special later down the line

[@GuyVick]

I love this analogy and how you guy’s analyzed it.

[@HeatRock123]

Whis should potentially be 1 of the 💪 apprenticeship Goku & Vegeta

[@shameronstar7220]

Very deep and spiritual concept you guys presented to us.

[@karlyn132]

I loved this video breaking down things. Loved it!

[@caodesignworks2407]

I might be off base, but I'm pretty sure Beerus can't do UI. Or at least, not very well. At least, at the end of Super. I haven't caught up on the comics

[@MattyJBass]

Love these types of Vids! Great stuff Danny!

[@bdhuffman42]

Question for you I understand that the body and mind are supposed to be balanced. However, is there any metaphoric reason for Whis the body being stronger than Beerus the mind? Is Toriyama saying that the body is more important?

[@victorcippitelli2242]

Whis makes a point clear that the body, separated from the mind, give more freedom in fighting because the body acts on its own without the mind/brain to govern your actions. It not that the mind is not so important, is about controling both to have better access to your full fightning potential.

[@eonragnarock2366]

I interpret it like this: To me, whis is telling them to drop that saiyan battle pride and even training. In a sense, he is saying stop caring about fighting but never get careless. Goku always wants to fight the strongest instead of just going all out at the beginning.

[@SpikeTheWolf]

Soo is goku version of ui a better(not stronger) version of whis? Since he is calm etc while goku uses his emotions?

[@victorcippitelli2242]

@@SpikeTheWolf absolutly not, is impossible Goku's version is stronger than an angel. True UI is the mind calm yes, but the heart is letting out without emotional compromises fighting the way the body wants

[@Askkkin]

I just re watched super two times this month and was literally wondering about most of this stuff

[@kevinbrooks9074]

Frank Sinatra's "Balls in Yo Jaws" used to play at my uncle's house all the time when I was young! I remember him picking me up in his van after t-ball practice, it was cool because it always had candy! He always had a warm popsicle in his pants too, cream-filled I think? He used to compliment me on how good I could keep secrets. The song really takes me back to a better time!

[@edmondthompson3012]

Nice video. It may sound crazy but Bruce Leroy aka Leroy Green jr. had his version of ultra instinct called The Glow.

[@leocastro3233]

Love the content always feels like a podcast for anime fans

[@mechajay3358]

Awesome, I really enjoy these Saiyuki videos.

[@zachaddington5264]

Only if gohan trained under whis

[@BeholdOmega]

Perfect timing I just started clocked in to work. Thnks Geekdom!

[@NightOwl-bu8nq]

Really interesting video, that's why when Vegeta and Goku fuse together they're unbeatable? Yin and Yang together? 🤔🙂

[@kurtdwg1797]

I’ve been waiting on this 😊

[@brodeyleembruggen9910]

Thankyou Geekdom101🙏🏼🐒🐉

[@sumedhbodade5104]

If mind is Goku and whis and Vegeta and beerus are body than who represent spirit does that mean Broly is spirit

[@quinnestbanks]

Could you do a video on the clothes/fashion of db, dbz, db super etc

[@pownallsnooks5457]

Really interesting analysis, however I’d be very surprised if the creators of DB Super thought this much in depth when writing these characters

[@Vivi_9]

Guarantee you Toriyama did, the writers took his ideas and executed them...... to mixed results.

[@StevenJones851]

if only Super had good writing

[@dylanfry7978]

Isnt Sun Wooh Kong the monkey king guy in the commercial I keep seeing for Raid Shadow Legends? 😂🤔

[@ogdoom5238]

Great time to release a video, thanks geekdom 🎉

[@dabulphilly]

So Wukong crown and brolys necklace is the same concept! 😮

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Always happy for your content 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

[@ghosttemplar6989]

Interesting conversation again

[@DaellusKnights]

02:12 - "...not just a story about a monkey with a stick... " Ohmywow... I could *literally* do an entire SERIES on just those ten words alone... 😳 😂😭🤣 😻👍

[@rossaprus4157]

Cool info 😎👍

[@tripbfishing]

Wow this the first time i caught a video soon as u post it

[@shamarjames6717]

Love to hear more about u7 angel 😇

[@tmillion_nba2001]

Wow this makes a lot of sense about whis good W video

[@brandonulrichs908]

The crown on his head reminds me of when Goku had one on his head in the original Dragonball

[@CJ-111]

Never realised they’re take from Son Wukong

[@WeednDBZ]

Good video to help inform fans who dont dive deep or dont have mug knowledge of journeg to the west and martial arts

[@briankerosene22]

I'd love to see Whis fight seriously. Hopefully Goku gets to that level(I'm sure he will eventually)

[@cityboy.s]

Whis can not fight goku seriously because it is Angel law not to fight seriously anyone seriously, but in training, whis can use a little bit of his power

[@danielkerr4100]

​@@cityboy.sit literally comes down to the writers

[@karnage2948]

@@danielkerr4100👍🏾👍🏾🤣

[@blaketindle4703]

Maybe a renegade Angel will appear and truly challenge Whis!

[@laughoutloud195]

I don't think these beings are meant to be surpassed, they're pretty much the top balance of the multiverse.

[@SpikeTheWolf]

Soo goku follows whis but later the bruce lee version? Cuz you know he got true ui(forgot the name). What about vegeta? He just does one path? No true ultra ego?

[@victorcippitelli2242]

Good video!

[@mikael557]

Now that's absolutely ALPHA

[@oldmanjesus9855]

He exists to serve, literally. That's the opposite of alpha.

[@dragonreaperkurisu8113]

Here we go with the compassions, we already know that whis is like the monk from journey to the west not just him but the angels in general

[@officialjerm9122]

Lets goooo! 💚 you Danny! 🤙

[@bernarddelosreyes1001]

"An absolute menace in the battlefield ". Lmao

[@tintbros5367]

Y'all just beating this journey to the west thing to death

[@mackncheese1683]

Damn, 2013? I thought it came out like 2016. Wtf? Where did the time go?

[@DrewVerdin]

Son wu kong and his master sounds a lot more like how broly and his father were

[@gamer3642]

I wanted a video like this

[@blaketindle4703]

Shit will get real in Dragon Ball when a mysterious villain shows up and beats Whis! 😳

[@Sailor11Sedna]

The problem I often have when writing stories is my own Western values, inspirations and philosophies. The stories I come up with don’t fit with the philosophies that build up and work in the world of DragonBall. The fanfiction I already wrote takes inspiration from the Tower of Babel and from the Snow Queen. The protagonists are already much stronger than the antagonists, and the antagonists need to be stopped rather than overcome. The next story I want to write does have enemies to defeat, but the heroes become strong enough to defeat them only once the people of Earth have made the protagonists their heroes. Belief comes first, ability follows. The central question is what could change society, and should it change? And the answer is that fear can push people away from some behaviors, but people seek leaders or heroes to tell them what to do. And that yes, the culture could do with a bit of change, if we want to accept whatever new technologies and ideas that await us, but balance it with our desires to hold on to ancestral traditions.

[@Napoleonic_S]

haha yes, that is exactly what's going on with callmearj ultra vegito series, it's good for western fans but for eastern fans and fans who are more into and have knowledge over eastern religions, that ultra vegito story is so bad because it's far removed from eastern philosophies and martial arts roots that dragon ball franchise always have.

[@SpikeTheWolf]

What?

[@Napoleonic_S]

@@SpikeTheWolf What what? Are his points not clear enough?

[@pikachumaster542]

Awesome Video, I Learned Some Interesting Stuff About Whis, May You Have a Great Week Plus Stay Awesome 😎👍

[@draguunreloader5468]

One of the strongest angels in the sector.

[@TheScott21385]

love these videos i listen to em tryna sleep because like all of us i love and grew up on DBZ so ita interesting and i can drift off sometimes and finish it the next day

[@spotify80]

Quite confused. Is it essentially Vegeta & Beerus: CONTROL the mind to reign in & TAME a wicked nature… Goku & Whis: CALM the mind to PREVENT the mind (aready mastered by Goku) from INTERFERING with the BODY’S MOVEMENT ?? (Truly fascinating btw, one of the most interesting videos I’ve EVER watched on KZbin; thanks for uploading)

[@ziondwyer2026]

Whiz sol purpose is to expand the power scale. We thought we seen it all. We thought goku was the pinnacle. Speaking from a marketing POV

[@TheSilentGamer214]

This going to be awesome

[@drman17]

Bad ass man 🔥

[@SylonNostalgia]

Agreeable, but not mentioning Ptah in this video is a bit disappointing.

[@GraceofGod247]

Also the JP VA of Ichigo is the voice actor for Whis 🤯

[@lilAstayhigh]

We need angels vs god of destruction arc

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Whis: I want to replace Beerus with Vegeta so he can show me his wife's secret stash of Ramen!❤

[@DragonFist9323]

Martial Arts is life

[@alro4660]

0:47 track id please?

[@Shawntrimble9501]

Basically the Angel's are there to babysit the G-O-D's and keep them at bay.

[@oldmanjesus9855]

Zeno is the reprsentation of a Child, creator of everything, as kids have a very fertile imagination, but destroyer of everything, as kids can lose interest in an instant turning anything essentially useless if they stop using it. GODs are the representation of pets, they live based on instinct and caprice and can ruin anything around the house over the most trivial things. Mortals are the representation of toys, they exist to entertain the deities and GODs might even rough them out a litte bit if they are bored. Angels are the representation of caretakers, in the case of the GP and tamers in the case of Angels like Whis, they educate children and pets.

[@thisistodd190]

ive said it before and ill say it again. whis is HIM.

[@Glennwulf]

It’s wild that we didn’t know he was an angel into the Black arc

[@babydrank]

Finally 🔥🔥

[@DeadlyVenomKing]

The Secret Truth About Whis Is Whiskey. Am i drunk Yesssss

[@Ashylerry91]

That intro is siiiiick

[@henkaistudio]

Whis is very popular especially Vados as well.

[@potuszaddy]

Goku and vegeta will need to fuse to beat black frieza.

[@joshwallace444]

The crown on wukong reminds me of the choker on broly

[@SpikeTheWolf]

Ha

[@alexhiras7408]

that why beerus is the strongest god. he has true ui combined with mue . this video got me a thinking that grand priest must train with the zeno guards that why hes stronger than whis.

[@GuyVick]

Quietla and Beerus are like neck and neck they’re equal.

[@flyboylee]

Sun wukong crown is similar to the original broly

[@ImeanWhoElse]

'Cazy thing is, cuz the legend of Sun Wu Kong is so ingrained in Japanese culture, alotta this shit may be unintentional. It like a westerner unintentionally, including Biblical themes in their story cuz the Bible has affected the culture. It is very cool to understand keystones in other cultures.

[@SpikeTheWolf]

Soo it could've been unintentional?

[@olwengcobo5998]

What do you know about the new dragon Ball super monkerising movie

[@spotify80]

Excuse my perhaps naïve pairing of these different ideas, but would you say Goku & Vegeta’s polar opposite positions on the SPECTRUM of martial arts development reflects an idea that Goku’s development is HEAVENLY whilst Vegeta’s is EARTHLY?

[@The-Snake-Gear]

😮

[@Israeli241]

Is it safe to assume that the GoD(Gods of Destruction) of universes where their morality level is high and didn't participate in the tournament of power have better control over their minds and the result is a higher morality level?

[@CesarDelgado-fu2nd]

😊😊

[@hugomouteira7015]

Mr Geekdom, Sir. People are saying dragon ball magic is already cancelled, os it a hoax? Regards from Portugal

[@kickdreaming]

NAMASTE 🙏🏽 FROM BROOKLYN.

[@Byuiso]

Shout out from the 813 D 😉

[@mathuasher9184]

Positive comment

[@treyvonishere4375]

Whis’ real power is derived from Hetap

[@acemanhomer1]

a good heart needs a good brain, just as a good brain needs a good heart… peAce.

[@Ledmetallicadc]

I like pie.

[@kingshadow8782]

Hey Geekdom.

[@hanifdachoosen1286]

Hey it’s me geekdom

[@mo-l9508]

Sup Geekdom

[@specialnewb9821]

Ha, I caught the illustration from Lego monkey!

[@jaysativa4522]

Hi