The Sega Saturn: What Went WRONG! | RGT 85

[@SalivatingSteve]

RGT85, it was SGI - Silicon Graphics Incorporated who made high end 3D graphics workstations. NOT Silicon Knights, who was the game developer of Eternal Darkness.

[@unccmyway]

I thought he might have just misspoke... until he put up the Silicon Knights logo. Haha

[@for8bitgamers]

That's his red herring of the video.

[@stucazzo2000]

I was going to say that I never heard of Silicon Knights approaching Nintendo about a graphics chip for the N64. And Silicon Knights are a software company. But man, I thought RGT said he did months of research on this? ;-) ;-)

[@liornachmias8980]

Guy months upon months upon months 😬

[@IERServer]

oof sounds like a major mistake lol

[@caseycu]

dude, no... if Sega used the SGI chip the Saturn wouldn't have been done for years after it was released. Nintendo found out how unfinished that chip really was. Duke Nuken was 3D levels with 2D sprites (just like it was on PC), but id software had nothing to do with that game. Quake did not have 2D sprites, it was 3D levels, 3D monsters, and 3D objects, and the credit for this goes to Lobotomy Software, NOT id. The programming complexity of the Saturn has nothing to do with quads v. tris, it was due to how many processors were in the console. Agreed the launch was a total failure, probably the biggest mistake of Tom Kalinske's career. Where did you get the information you shared about Sonic Xtreme? Yuji Naka didn't want to participate in Sonic Xtreme, I've read interviews where he said he wanted to do something else. Yuji Naka also didn't want Nights Engine to be used to Sonic Xtreme, he threatened to quit Sega if Nights Engine were to be used because he didn't want it overshadowing Nights into Dreams. The 3 versions of Sonic Xtreme were the original fisheye game, a version partially completed by an American developer called Point of View (you can download this and play it on your Saturn), and a second version done at STI (SoA) based off the boss engine in the original game (you can also download and play this verion) - this isn't the Nights Engine. There are interviews with Chris Senn, the project leader, all over that explain all of this. Also it's Silicon Graphics Incorporated (SGI). Silicon Knights is a Canadian video game developer.

[@jackjenns1669]

He's ill equipped to comment on the subject other then superficially.

[@partoftheproblem4899]

Don't forget about the genesis/cd/32x cash grab. People were wary sinking any more money into sega at that point. Myself included.

[@gamemaster2192]

@Todd Flint but how was the Sega Genesis a cash grab?

[@partoftheproblem4899]

@@gamemaster2192 It wasn't. The 32x and sega cd were however....support for both was shoddy at best.

[@UR_LOCAL_VEEEE]

@Todd flint Did you buy both the Sega CD and the 32X?

[@partoftheproblem4899]

@@UR_LOCAL_VEEEE Of course. It was alot of re-hashed genisis games with cd sound tracks , and fmv games with small pixilated windows. The 32x was completely useless as I couldnt really tell that much difference at all. After completing my hardware combo the Saturn was announced. I was so mad that I sold all of my sega stuff and bought a 3do.

[@billy-waynejeffcoat4828]

@@partoftheproblem4899 oh yea cause that was a improvement/ smart idea.

[@xMACHOxMANx]

Video starts at 1:25

[@theraptorus]

XMACHOXMANX Thank you👍🏽

[@leecroft1983]

Thanks. Wish he'd get rid of that overdone intro.

[@AaronVillalobos]

Lee Croft same.

[@bluecorp8557]

@@leecroft1983 *oH mY gOD ItS STevIe rIChaRds!!!*

[@Silvergun_Raven]

It's to get his videos over 10 minutes.

[@xenobestx8423]

Sonic R... everyone hates it...but I thought it was pretty fun.

[@seriousstuff8887]

No no no .._ that soundtrack was awful lol .

[@moizillagalvez8707]

Same

[@forrestwright1995]

Soundtrack was terrible, but the game was pretty good.

[@vtrip_]

Once you get used to the slippery controls the game is fun enough. I have beaten this game a few times.

[@stevenbowen8098]

Can you feel the sunshine

[@ModernVintageGamer]

really enjoyed this and want to see more in this style. great stuff

[@sportsbookps5544]

I would love to see re-makes of classic Saturn and Dreamcast games.

[@nayyarrashid4661]

I would love to see a DC classic

[@TheShadowsega75GX]

Sega should do it. Since the Saturn and Dreamcast games are heading to the Nintendo Switch why not a compilation of both Saturn and Dreamcast on PS4,Xbone and Steam?

[@ThatGamingGuyfromthe70s]

Quite a few remakes hit the 360 which i play still, titles like daytona, radiant silvergun, fighting vipers, virtua fighter, virtual on, guardian heroes, ikaruga, crazy taxi, nights, jet set radio to name a few. The xbox 360 was pure gold for sega releases.

[@jon-erich9752]

They’ll probably have to take the remake route with Saturn games. It is very, very hard to successfully emulate Sega Saturn games which is one reason why we haven’t seen a lot of ports of games that were made specifically for that system.

[@sportsbookps5544]

@@ThatGamingGuyfromthe70s I don't believe they were "re-makes". The were probably remastered or just ported.

[@SamuelSarette]

SEGA of Japan actually forced Tom Kalinski to release it early in the US. He didn't want to do it and left the company shortly after. It wasn't SEGA of America's fault (sure I guess they could have refused to do it, but it would have just caused more intra-company politics).

[@1UpJohn]

Great video! I recently bought a Saturn for the first time. I missed out on it when it was originally released. What surprised me the most about Sega at the time was how they didn't build upon the success of the franchises that made the Genesis such a hit. Imagine if we would have gotten sequels to Streets of Rage and Golden Axe? (Duel doesn't count.) They could have been traditional 2D side scrollers with 3D elements and an awesome CD-Quality soundtrack.

[@lukejamesbgn]

I love my Sega Saturn! Guardian Heroes, Street Fighter Alpha 2, NBA Jam TE, Virtua Fighter 2, Mystaria & so many other games held me down for a long time back in the day.

[@ericschmidt1987]

Glad you are doing retro video topics because that’s how I started watching you.

[@Mike-ps5xd]

i love the new "what went wrong" vids keep up the good work

[@cleetusvandame]

The better question is what went wrong with RGTs new intro?? Man it's bad.

[@DominiqueDeMann]

If they make a Saturn Classic with Dragon Force on it I'll buy that in a heartbeat

[@patrickdelaurentiis6752]

I like the show. I think an important issue that was overlooked is that it wasn't just the Saturn that failed as a console. Everything you said is spot on. But remember, this was one of 5 systems being worked on at the same time. Sega Genesis, 32X, CD, Saturn, and the Game Gear. Too many systems saturated their own market and not enough resources were pulled to any one project that was needed. Sega tried to do too much at once. I personally love the Saturn - games like Nights, and Earthworm Jim 2.

[@Arcade89]

Fantastic video! I have always wanted to collect for the Saturn, but never knew why it or the Dreamcast failed. I always thought there were two of the coolest systems around at the time. Awesome new series man,I can't wait to see more episodes.

[@thenuclearsandwich]

Part of the reason I didn't adopt the Saturn early on is that it came out too soon after Sega released the 32X. I remember walking through Toys R Us and seeing the Saturn suddenly there without really any announcement. I was like what? Where'd that come from? Another system already? I shrugged at it and walked on. The price point didn't help either. I eventually bought one off Ebay when it's life cycle was pretty much over. Sega failed big on the timing and marketing of the Saturn.

[@jonaspeoples6931]

Dude... love this ... keep doing this segment... RGT 85! RGT 85!... u cant hear me chanting right now .... but i am...KEEP IT UP!!!!

[@vougbour1]

Great Video mate :) always good to hear about gaming history, and excellent presentation. I felt like your description captured a snapshot of the industry at the time. Looking forward to more!

[@samfrito]

I also think if they had been able to make it backwards compatible using the memory card slot with Genesis it would have made a world of difference.

[@hondamanvtec2894]

Sega of Japan Thats what went wrong

[@zacharystevens6193]

Exactly, Sega Saturns choice of hardware and bad marketing hurt it terribly. I remember seeing a KZbin video about the Sega of America leader securing a deal with the Silicon company that ended up making the chip for the Nintendo 64. However Sega of Japan did not allow this and said they have their own plans for the Sega Saturn hardware. Which well we all know how that turned out for Sega.

[@janosjph2867]

@@zacharystevens6193 Was it THIS KZbin video by chance?

[@zacharystevens6193]

@@janosjph2867 No why would I reference this video in it's own comment section lol. My source is from a KZbin video made by the Gaming Historian that covers Sega's mistakes.

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

Seeing how the Japanese library dwarfs the US one in both quality and quantity, and how Sega of Japan properly advertised the console, versus how Sega of America did things like state publicly how Saturn wasn't their future, early launch, no RPGs (at least in the beginning) ignoring the 2d strengths of the console....I'd say Sega of Japan isn't the one at fault.

[@zacharystevens6193]

@@RazorEdgeBullie Sega of Japan is the one in charge as Sega as a whole. The problem that really hurt Sega was hardware not software. Look at alot of the consoles Sega of Japan created that were utter failures. The Sega Nomad, Sega CD, Sega 32x, Sega Saturn. That's not even factoring in Sega of Japan's terrible hardware choices with the Sega Saturn making it insanely hard to develop for up their with the PS3. The Saturn was really never meant to do 3d graphics. It was made with 2d graphics in mind but, got rushed by Sega of Japan and ended up with terrible 3d rendering and a very hard console to develop for.

[@ChiruKobra]

I'm surprised there wasn't even a passing mention of Bernie Stolar. Now, Stolar get a bad rap, and he deserves flak for bringing some of his bad ideas from when he was working at Sony to Sega, as well as publicly announcing that "Saturn is not our future". (Not even Nintendo did that during their rocky Wii U days!) However, if it weren't for Stolar pushing Sega in Japan for a Saturn successor, we wouldn't have had the Dreamcast. Also, he spearheaded the Dreamcast's launch, complete with the awesome 9/9/99 bit and the competitive $200 price point. (Sega Japan wanted the Dreamcast to be $250 at launch.)

[@samfrito]

Great point. I think Bernie was too point blank about Saturns failure at the time. He was a realist and looked kinda harsh, but it did allow Dreamcast a shot.

[@neilbrown82]

He also said nobody wanted to buy RPGs to but according to Sony they proved him wrong no wonder Sony got rid of him

[@jon-erich9752]

Bernie Stolar came along after most of the damage had already been done. While he was right about a lot of things, he really shouldn’t have been so public about it. It definitely didn’t help things.

[@allandoublea5917]

I totally agree!

[@IMDLEGEND]

As much as I hate to admit it, by the time Bernie Stolar came around, the damage was already done to the Saturn. Saturn would have lasted another year or 2 instead of dying in 1998 though. Great games were being withheld from Japan, as well as the 4 Meg ram cart.

[@aerouwid4624]

rgt 85: this new series is called "what went wrong" me: wow i never heard that title before

[@Sleepydave86]

There are plenty of KZbin channels out there pumping out this kind of content, but rgt85’s delivery makes it hands down the best. Keep it up fella!

[@EndlessFunctionality]

E3 95'. "It's available right now!" Sealed it's fate right then and there.

[@Robin-ie3ns]

Sega Saturn is my favourite system! But....it didn’t fit with trends at the time. The best games are 2D and the top titles were only released in Japan. Donpachi, Batsugun, Capcom Generation Series (arcade perfect SF2 WW, SF2 Turbo, Ghosts n Goblins, 1942, Commando, Gun Smoke & more) SF2 Zero 3, KoF 95,96,97, Warriors of Fate, Dungeons Of Dragons. Literally hundreds of great games all Japan only. So in retrospect I love it. However based on the 3D craze at the time and limited Western library it was near impossible to get this same enjoyment from it in the 90s

[@coleshores]

So much wrong in the video. Silicon Graphics approached Sega not Silicon Knights. Virtua Fighter is 3D(flat shaded) but on a 2D plane. That doesn’t mean it’s not 3D, it’s just that it has a fixed camera. Quake for Saturn is 100% genius of Lobotomy software not ID. They used the slave driver engine to develop it and Sega published it. Yes it used sprites for the guns but the monsters and items where 3D in a true 3D environment. Great video idea though, I look forward to more.

[@garycabezas]

Totally spot on video. I def like the premise of this content. However two points: 1) it seems you go over more than 3 points, to be honest it seems more like a top ten. Which could work for this format, or get rid of the numbering all together. 2) new intro so viewers of your news content see that it’s a special segment. In any case, I thought it was very entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work!! Love the videos!

[@audrisampson]

Not sure you can leave out the debacle of the 32x as part of the issue with the Saturn.

[@fafling]

Definitely. Sega's engineers and programmers spent a lot of time in 1994 focusing on 32x instead of Sega Saturn.

[@Dre_aka_sleepysandman]

@@fafling sega of america not sega of Japan. They wasnt for the 32x in japan.

[@fafling]

@@Dre_aka_sleepysandman Sega of Japan sure worked to engineer the damn thing. The documentation has the same "translated from japanese" vibe than the Saturn one. And who else to do that than the people who worked on the Saturn (same CPU, same framebuffer mecanics), stopping the project dead in its track. No one else could have designed it in less than 6 months time. Also, Virtua Racing Deluxe has been developped by an in-house Sega japanese team that went on to port Sega Rally for the Saturn.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Oh cool, just what KZbin needs. The story of the Saturn told for the trillionth time.

[@scotchandhobbies5674]

Good to see a return to retro content. Keep it coming

[@ernestmiller5954]

WoW... excellent, not my favorite type of video but this is definitely your strong suit. Don’t be discouraged, inaccurate information is sometimes uncovered in extensive research. You have a talent/ability of being able to instill an appetite for all things retro-gaming with a unique twist of your own personality. I understand all your videos can’t be as factually detailed as this one, but don’t give up on this style. Incorporating this style, as you can, will help you to hone this natural ability you have. Anyway, I’m no one; I am just an individual who loves to watch great KZbin videos composed with talent and passion. Thank you for your time... keep up the good work.

[@Thewickedjon]

quads vs triangular polygons actually was not a problem. The problem was the fact that saturn relied on multiple cpu's whereas the PS1 relied on a single (somewhat faster) CPU. when used correctly, the saturn was a very powerful system, unfortunately this was at a time where most mainstream game developers were not used to developping games for multi-cpu systems. Fundamentally they were very different (ps1 vs saturn) , so games just did not port well. your version of the story is not 100% accurate, but i watch everything that has saturn in it, so you get a free view & comment.

[@sherekhangamedev]

I like the new format, it reminds me of your old retro gaming videos from some years ago. Keep it up.

[@nathancobaugh2109]

Definitely enjoy content like this. Keep up the good work. Happy New Year!

[@TheNewSoda]

I think no backwards compatibly with the Genesis,32X,or Sega C.D. also hurt Sega

[@nimaiiikun]

Do you know if in Japan, the Saturn outsold the N64? I bought the Saturn first day.. ended up having to mod it in order to get access to the Japanese library of games.. but what a library, it was huge. Had they been accessible in the US, I think it could have a good chance at the #2 spot behind the PS1. A lot of the Saturn's 2D games or mixed 2D/3D have aged well, much better than the early polygon ones that we were all fixated on at the time.

[@avalond1193]

Sega Saturn indeed best N64 in japan

[@WhoIsLudwig]

I think you got Silicon Knights and Silicon Graphics mixed up. But apart for that, what you say here makes pretty much sense

[@DaBoaringDragon]

Correct. Silicon Graphics was the company originally trying to work with Sega, NOT Silicon Knights. SGI and Sega didnt work out, so SGI went to Nintendo (apparently Tom Kalinski told them to go to Nintendo, partially out of spite towards Sega of Japan's actions).

[@yjzep9922]

Also, he gave credit for Quake and Duke to ID instead of Lobotomy.

[@ryanh.3192]

Good video. One major omission was the 32X debacle. It was a total flop and split Sega's base of customers by essentially making them choose between upgrading their Genesis to 32-bit, or ponying up more dough for a brand new 32-bit system. (Unless you were a rich kid and just bought both.) 32X burned a lot of Sega fans and they switched to PlayStation and Nintendo 64 as a result.

[@vikinglordsean]

This is your best video in a long time, tbh you used to be my favorite youtuber (when you were significantly less successful) and im not sure exactly what changed but i havent enjoyed your videos as much in a long time. Great job on this one.

[@Astaley1000]

The 32x had something to do with it. There was 2 32 bit systems on the market and consumers and developers kind of didn’t know what to buy.

[@RAXtheGREAT]

this was an awesome video! love the format def keep these up!

[@BlackMaleLion]

I love this series. Are you planning to do episodes for the Sega Genesis and Nintendo Wii U?

[@silverwings21]

"The Sega Saturn: What Went WRONG!?" What went wrong was Sega Of Japan cutting off their nose to spite their face (Sega of America).

[@vitoralves7866]

Rgt85 when you going to do a review of Panzer Dragoon saga? C'mon you have the original game..

[@preamstrikbiz0]

I have the original game too and I can’t seem to find myself the 40+ hrs of time into with games like red dead redemption 2 and smash brothers ultimate out rn

[@Tom_Van_Zandt]

@@preamstrikbiz0 I'm the same way with Snatcher. I have it on Sega CD, but I've just never found the time to sit down and play it. I'm not trying to self-promote here, but I find myself filming and editing my youtube videos with any and all spare time I have. Between that, my full time job and being married, I have very little time for vidja games.

[@yjzep9922]

@@preamstrikbiz0 its only 16 hours long man lol. Not great. Very short, horrid visuals in many spots, and very little story exposition. It's good, great combat. Story is cool once you figure it out. Definitely not worth even close to the price. Got mine in 98 for $34.99, so that's the only reason Ive beaten it a few times.

[@tonymcneill7779]

Nice work. I look forward to more content like this.

[@ryanfoy1905]

The fact that I never had a Saturn would make a collection even sweeter for me

[@justinclark8360]

Love to see the videos on the Sega Saturn. You are one of the few KZbinrs talking about the Sega Saturn (Sega Lord X is anouther channel who does). Please keep it up, everyone needs to know how great this system is and could of been.

[@aaronfledge]

Excellent video. I'd always wondered what happened to Sega after their huge popularity in the early '90s. As a Sonic guy I've always found it deeply disappointing that the franchise never produced a 3D game anywhere near the level of the original masterpieces. Amazing how his appeal as an icon has continued to the present day despite that though - you're right, he has an appeal as a character in his own right where Mario is just someone who happens to be in great games.

[@darkempire2022]

Terrific new series! Please keep it up!

[@harrycambridge1988]

Could it also be something to do with a lot of the Saturn games being arcade type e.g. time limits whereas gamers wanted more in depth content?

[@cameronkurtz7985]

Love this type of content from you man, keep up the good work!

[@nstruja]

I hope the new intro for 2019 rocks as hard as this one does. RGT 85! RGT, COMING AT YOU LIVE!!

[@Prince_Ali89]

New subscriber here! I love this new series. Always interesting to see what went wrong.

[@Alex-et2ss]

Very nice concept for your new show. I love theory stuff like this. Keep it up RGT85!!

[@billionbillion4463]

Can we get a follow-up called What went wrong when googling for the Saturn what went wrong video?

[@voidofbeeswax]

Shawn sounds like he’s reading his book report to the class. Now don’t take that as an insult. I like the video and want to see more stuff like this. The calmer less ranty videos are good to mix in here.

[@greenhxify]

Sega Saturn was one of my first systems. So awesome getting to play all the classic sonic games on one disc. Really enjoyed it and its hidden gems like Bug and Astal.

[@preamstrikbiz0]

Because of all the sonic genesis games on one disc and 3D blast , I was able to surrender my genesis and ride out with my Saturn

[@DarDarBinks1986]

I already have the classic Sonic games and an original Genesis/32X combo. I don't have too many Saturn games now but I could just get Sonic Jam and I'd be happy. Nothing like being able to use the spin dash in Sonic 1 for once. Sega knows we like the spin dash so why didn't they give it to us right from the beginning?

[@richardgodshaw]

I loved this video! Your Channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites and keep up the great work, your content is fantastic.

[@Lazyboy51]

Very interesting video man, solid points and points that I have never heard before. Every video I've listened in on about the Saturn share the same information. Nicely done man! I am surprised how I knew very little of what you shared. I like the Saturn a lot, just sucks how expensive most of the good games go for.

[@ronisize15]

Guardian heroes remains one of my favorite games of all time.

[@magnus87]

If the Saturn had been retrocompatible with Genesis (using the memory expansion slot) it would have felt less the lack of catalog on the release date. Yes I had a higher price but you can continue playing your favorite Megadrive / Genesis titles while the new ones for Saturn appear.

[@Cornelius87]

As a child with a sega saturn I hated when going to Electronics boutique there would be a whole wall for ps1 games, another for n64 games and then there would be this tiny section with sega saturn games and accessories. Then as soon as the dreamcast released all the saturn merch was wiped away at the stores almost as if it never existed. Still loved playing the games but honestly I was always jealous of the kids with a ps1.

[@Swordslinger-hb1ns]

Despite having a few stand out games that were actually better than their Playstation counterparts, the Sega Saturn was simply too difficult to program efficiently. Not only that, but Sega kept the majority of the most competent programmers in Japan only. This severely hurt the system. Personally I blame Sega of Japan president Haiyao Nakayama for his dumbass decision to launch the Saturn way, way to early. They simply should of stuck with the original release date in September.

[@TimBrice7]

What went wrong? Japan. Most of the issues with the Saturn were known by Sega of America but the Japan branch were arrogant and refused to listen. The surprise launch of the Saturn even came from Japan. 3D gaming was something they realized they needed to have too late in the game so it was kind of tacked on. Sega of America was the branch pushing to use the SGI chip as well but Japan said no we have our own engineers. Sad really. I loved Sega and these failures are the reason they are no longer in the hardware market. If the Saturn had done a bit better they wouldn't have been as cash strapped when the dreamcast came out and perhaps could have put up a better fight. It doesn't take much to ruin a good thing. Sony almost did it with the PS3 launch and quickly learned their lesson. Gamers are not loyal to platforms.

[@stug5041]

Great idea for a new series - excited to see what’s next!

[@MrCalverino]

I GREW UP A SEGA KID SO WHEN 1ST SAW VIRTUA FIGHTER 2 IN THE ARCADES I WAS BLOWN AWAY!!! I HAD A MAGAZINE THAT SAID IT WAS COMING HOME TO SEGA'S NEW CD BASED 32-BIT CONSOLE...MAN THAT'S ALL I WANTED IN 1995- VIRTUA FIGHTER 2!!!!!!!!!

[@teamspirits732]

What went wrong with the Sega Saturn, lots of things: - Bad launch - Too expensive - No real next-gen Sonic game - All launch titles sucks - Bad reputation after Sega CD and 32X - Tom Kalinske quit - No real killer app title - PS1 is cheaper - They killed the Sega 32X over this - Their president was a douchebag - No backwards compatibility with the Sega Genesis and Sega CD - No true 3D capability - Bad game cover, they had to switch from hard plastic to jewel cases which are terrible - Consumers are still buying the Sega Genesis and Super NES over this - PS1 beat it week one despite launching many months after - Good games from Japan never made the trip to the west - Sega of Japan hate every other part of their other branches - Hard to developed games for - Third parties hated the thing - Not many retailers want to carry it - They didn't bring the entire Shining Force III chapters to the west - Bad marketing, worst than the Genesis ones - Nintendo 64 is coming - Sega hired the RPG hater, Bernie Stolar to kill the Saturn and create the Dreamcast - Camelot left Sega for Nintendo - My girlfriend hates it

[@gamemaster2192]

it fail only in US in Japan and europe it last 5 years

[@teamspirits732]

@@gamemaster2192 It lasted longer in Japan though. It didn't died there until early 2000 since its launch in 1994.

[@IMDLEGEND]

@@teamspirits732 Exactly. The Saturn would have lasted just as long in the US if it had access to the same games. Having said this, we wouldn't have had the Dreamcast if this happened, so I wouldn't want to change history.

[@AldoAraujo85]

Regardless of the Saturn's "failure" Stateside, it always felt like I was part of a VIP club owning one, due to no one else I knew outside of relatives having it. As such, playing it felt very exclusive, and as a result more interesting to me than PS1 ever did.

[@EKlicKKlacK3]

Great video RGT85, you really did you research. But you have to think as well, with the 32X being released slightly before the Saturn, that had an impact on it failing too. You know, parents not being pleased with having to buy a new Sega console every year. The Saturn is an awesome console and it's a shame it didn't shine a bright as it should have in the states.

[@silverwings21]

9:02 Don't forget you can play as Sonic in Christmas NiGHTS.

[@LadyDecade]

Wow, Kalinske must've kicked himself about sending Silicon Graphics over to Nintendo! Love this video, I hold many of the very same sentiments, especially when it comes to how Sega themselves inadvertently caused the Saturn to fail!

[@allandoublea5917]

That was Japan's fault. I think had Sega of Japan followed him more, they would still be in the hardware business.

[@OriginalMegamanX]

Unfortunately I've never gotten to experience the saturn. My parents like so many others said it was too expensive and it kinda still is. I'll find a good deal on one at the right time someday. I'm very glad to see you going back to a retro format. I appreciate what you were doing with the rgt news bit but I missed the retro rgt. I look forward to seeing more retro rgt.

[@matdemaz]

I felt like the only guy with a Saturn when I was a kid, lol. No regrets, though. So many damn good games.

[@richardaaron4454]

Mat Demaz Same

[@triplestar100]

well, Shawn/RGT85; (I'm fully aware I'm a nobody, but at least it means big-time to me! )here's my long-time-coming gift to you= my subscription to your station! keep up the excellent work!

[@jeremydaniels5479]

I absolutely think this should become a regular thing. Great video!

[@Neoptolemus]

What are the best 5 games for saturn and what emulator do you suggest for pc?

[@sweet_sukeban4022]

NiGHTS Panzer Dragoon Saga Panzer Dragoon 2 Burning Rangers Astal None, get a real system.

[@deathscythe9158]

Neoptolemus I don’t know anything about emulators, but I can tell you about my favorite games for it. Right of the bat the Panzer Dragoon series, especially PD Saga. Shining The Holy Ark, Shining Force 3, Dragon Force, all Capcom fighting games series. My favorites were the SF Alpha series and Darkstalkers. I don’t know if you’re an SNK fan but Metal Slug, Samurai Showdown and the King Of Fighters series. There’s also Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally, Decathlete and Winter Heat. Astal, Enemy Zero, Fighting Vipers, Fighters Megamix, Last Bronx and many more. I’m sure you can find reviews for all of these games on KZbin if you wanna check them out.

[@CRedd9830]

@@sweet_sukeban4022 Shining Force III Panzer Dragoon Saga Dragon Force Panzer Dragoon Zwei Sakura Wars 2

[@SalivatingSteve]

The Saturn is a tough system to emulate due to its complicated architecture that had way too many different chips. There are emulators like SSF, Yabause, and Mednafen. Mednafen is probably the best Saturn emulator, but it’s complicated to use due to it being command line driven. None of the Saturn emulators really run all that great TBH and you need a very fast powerful computer to run them at an acceptable frame rate.

[@preamstrikbiz0]

Street Fighter Zero III Sonic Jam Guardian Heroes Radiant Silvergun Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter Yabuase I heard is the most perfected emulator - key word “perfected “ Your best bet however is to just get a real console and then either buy a premade pseudo Saturn cart or flash your own pseudo Saturn cartridge and make the games burnt . Try to get a cart flashed on an action replay 4m-1m so you can play the fighters

[@Cee_Nelly]

First show was pretty good, dude. Keep'em coming!

[@ryandannenhauer]

As someone who grew up and night both consoles at the time, it seemed like the final nail was actually the release of Final Fantasy 7

[@HammyDownConsole]

Good idea on the series! Keep ‘em coming

[@Ruleof2Review]

Yooooo, awesome vid brah. When you need help with your “What went wrong with the Atari Jaguar” video just let me know. As a Jaguar expert and mega fan I’d be all about it! I love that damned console, lol. Hit a brotha up!

[@boseyjones]

LOVE THE SERIES PLEASE DO MORE! MOMMA K'S FUPA DEMANDS IT! Next video idea- The Kosharsky's: What Went Wrong?

[@TSUNAMIPOPPY247]

Can u do videos like this for the Dreamcast and the virtual boy?

[@ayanmohamoud8621]

Sega made an oopsie with the Saturn, especially in the West.

[@sweet_sukeban4022]

Ayan Mohamoud only in the West. Here in japan it dominated right out the gate.

[@Tom_Van_Zandt]

@@sweet_sukeban4022 Yeah, no. Nice try, though: Worldwide Saturn sales include at least the following amounts in each territory: 5.75 million in Japan, 1.8 million in the United States, 1 million in Europe, and 530,000 elsewhere.[137] With lifetime sales of 9.26 million units,[138] the Saturn is considered a commercial failure. It was an oopsie everywhere.

[@sweet_sukeban4022]

AquaDump Entertainment 5 mil in japan ain’t a failure moron. Here it was actually supported until the Dreamcast.

[@Robin-ie3ns]

Yeah so strange how most of the best games were Japan-only. They seemed to focus on releasing 3D games in the West, most of which were way weaker than the 2D library.

[@ciredecgellar8232]

@@Tom_Van_Zandt consider by who ? about what criteria ? wikipedia ? lol

[@cliffturbo2146]

I would love to see a full 3D 32-bit Sonic game. That would be captivating.

[@razzledazzle4934]

Love this type of content. Your doing a good job. Keep it up

[@lamonnnuttle3460]

Love this new series!!! Keep it up. Systems, games and developers.

[@nolanpinkerton9938]

Great video RGT 85, I like this new series your going to do. One little suggestion, if you decide not to do it that's fine I will still like it, I would like to see you start up these consoles, play some games on them, and give your general opinion on them; but only if you have the console your talking about in the video.

[@Silvergun_Raven]

I still play my Sega Saturn to this day! SO many classics from Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, Radiant Silvergun, Guardian Heroes, Clockwork Knight, Bug!, Dragonforce, Mystaria, Dark Savior, Albert Odyssey and more!

[@RobWillNotLose]

What went wrong with the Sega Saturn is PlayStation announcement to “299.99” Then walks off the stage like a boss

[@Rivers256]

I enjoyed the video, you went into a lot of detail (although some was incorrect). My only bit of constructive criticism, (which really doesn't matter to me in the end and is more about professionalism), is I think you should do more recording takes, break up sentences more, get every word perfect. When there are no errors it really makes a difference. Also, new series should have a new intro. :D

[@retrogamerdad7740]

Love the show brother please make one on the panasonic 3DO and the WIIU

[@samfrito]

Definitely a Sega of Japan pride issue, but overall a good product hindered by slow or inferior software releases. The best games on the Saturn at launch were PANZER DRAGOON and Virtua Fighter, but Sony had Namco rolling out some supreme arcade hits back to back. And by January of 96 Resident Evil released and nailed success to the wall. We got Sega of America trying to catch up. Shame too. Saturn was pretty powerful and did play a good game of Virtual On.

[@ThatGamingGuyfromthe70s]

The most fun with sega messing it up royally was seeing Am2/3 pull out all stops to release vf2, sega rally and virtua cop. It was such an exciting time seeing what these masters could do with the system. In the right hands the saturn was a beast.

[@IMDLEGEND]

Love the new show! I agree with all of the reasons. Another one that you alluded to was the Saturn being $100 more than the Playstation at launch. I like the show because if we don't learn from history, we repeat it. For example, It seems that Microsoft followed a similar path with the XBOX One that Sega did with the Saturn ($100 more than the competition at launch, with a console widely viewed to be technically inferior to the Playstation Console, no major flagship title at launch).

[@Hanke86]

Think you need to do more of these type of videos, i appreciate that there's so much gaming news that seems to come out daily and most of the news I get is from your videos, but I didn't know that Sega had no confidence in 3d and also they thought 3d was in fact a fad. I honestly don't know anyone growing up that had a Saturn (including the local rich kid that had everything including the 32x and Sega CD). So more vids like this please!

[@HugxoMartinez]

I love your passion for the Saturn

[@psistis80]

If they released SegaSonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the fighters,the Saturn could have a chance to boostthere sales,along with 3D ports of popular IP's from the Master System and Genesis era.

[@maroon9273]

Πληγωμένος Πρίγκιπας along with sonic CD at launch or include in sonic jam

[@marciopinho6100]

It's actually a shame what happened to the Saturn in the States. Back in the day, I thought the Saturn was a big success. In fact, today I know it actually was in it's first years in Portugal. Since there was no internet and I didn't really had access to magazines, I didn't knew how the Saturn was going at the rest of the world. The Saturn was very well promoted here, and most of the people who played videogames were already owners of the Mega Drive/Genesis or the Master System, so the upgrade was obvious. The Saturn was my choice for the 5th generation and it's still my favourite console to this day, thanks to that game called Panzer Dragoon Saga. Damn...what a game experience. Playing it at the time was simply beautiful. Something that new players will not feel today, no matter how they enjoy RPG's. Virtua Fighter 2 was mind-blowing as well and my multiplayer gem. Finally...Exhumed (Power Slave)...simply no other like it to this day. Hard console to appreciate those days but it's great to see that more and more people are getting interested in it.

[@derricklasaga7375]

Grandia (Series): What Went Wrong Dreamcast: What Went Wrong Sega: What Went Wrong

[@kevinstrade2752]

A common misconception is that the Saturn and Sega weren't 3d focused. Wrong, Sega had brought 3D polygons into the arcades and were pioneers in the 3d front. Virtual fighter, virtual racer, Daytona were all out before the Saturn. The biggest problem for 3D with the Saturn were developers. While Sega could do 3D on the Saturn early on, it took longer for developers to unlock this complex machine. So 3D development lagged on the Saturn while the ps1 was developed for ease of 3d game making..