The Seiko Navigator Timer FINALLY Returns And It's Shockingly (And Surprisingly) Good (SPB411)

[@ejjrl1ify]

This is absolutely stunning. Perfect dimensions. Fair play to Seiko for removing the Prospex logo.

[@mitondo6123]

You'd think that it might be dull because of the monotone, but noooo! When the light starts hitting it, it's a absolute gem. I've had mine for a few weeks already and it's a stunner. My wrist is just 6" and it doesn't feel silly. What it has is presence. Seiko knocked it out of the park with this one.

[@surfmorworkless]

Finally some one with my wrist size commenting on this watch. Good to hear you like it.

[@khronokraze]

Saw one in person and , of course, none of the renderings and stock images do the watch justice as seeing it in actuality is so much nicer. Wears great. Just impressed with the overall look. I'd be keen to get one.. I'm still wary of 6R based movements based on my prior experiences. Will see.. might be just good looking enough to take that chance again.

[@bigbodykarate6403]

they are easy to regulate and easy to get regulated , 6rs can and will run to Cosc standards if you treat them right . same with the 4r/NH

[@ajmarion]

Looks great TWI! I have a 1970 Pepsi Navigator Timer that I got from my grandfather when he passed - still runs great! Hoping they reissue the Pepsi one too 🙏🏻

[@thewatchidiot]

Oh wow that's a very special watch you have there! A resissue of it would be great, so you can keep your grandfather's watch safe. I completely forgot about the Pepsi version but time to do a deep dive into it😁

[@Not-a-bot222]

I wonder, if like the King Seiko SJE093, they will later release a permanent collection of these watches with different dials and bezel options.

[@edshamaham5719]

Yeah I can totally see why you love this watch, and the dial finish is looking good as well. Not sure why brands put a matte coat on sunburst dials, it takes away a lot of the dial's character

[@thewatchidiot]

Yeah it's one that I've been waiting for for a while! And yeah matte layers on sun burst dials is quite strange so maybe it has something to do with protection? Maybe it's just the way those particular dials are made for mass production

[@MrPhotographerDude]

When I saw this watch it blew me away. It's a bit small for my wrist size, but I was really tempted to buy it

[@barryvercueil2346]

Seriously enjoying your enthusiasm. Cheers

[@thewatchidiot]

Much appreciated Barry, your support means a lot to me!😁

[@jeid3822]

Hi SIR KINDLY DO THE REVIEW OF THE SEIKO SARX 115/ 117 THANKS❤😊

[@marcob.7801]

Well my new friend and fellow "idiot," you have a new subscriber! I cannot begin to tell you HOW MANY times that I've watched this video (and many of your others) and must confess that YOU as the ultimate creator of this bit of video Nirvana are solely responsible for the freshly minted $1100.00 hole in "me" pocket, mate! Not only did your camera work seduce and entice, your narrative also tickled and probed, prodded and yet beguiled until I was compelled by descriptions of jewel like refractions of light and faceting of wristband links whetting my appetite, which was clearly in dire need of quaff and satiation into submission! I get mines this Tuesday bra! Seriously though, fabulous job with your very sincere and down to earth approach which translates into its own unique brand of sophistication, if that makes any sense?? What the hell, we're addicted to collecting,... watches no less. NOT exactly an inexpensive habit, heh? Keep up the fantastic "influencing" and thanks again for all the time and energy that is obvious in your work or should I say,...passion! Ciao for now.....from Bushwick, Brooklyn!

[@hombrenoche9955]

Hi ! Nice video ! As you wear it in every lights conditions : What can you say about the overall aspect ? Is it a one tint watch ? (One grey) Or is it a two tint watch (grey and dark grey ?) in general, is the dial look the same grey shade as the case/bezel/bracelet ? Thanks

[@edteach3r]

A beautiful watch, for sure. It is such a shame that Seiko’s prices have made these watches unattainable for many of us. Enjoy!

[@Allusion1996]

Thanks for the video. I just bought it! For some reason I’m not able to use the tigher micro adjustment due to no clearance. Did have any issues with that?

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Your favorite color. Easy win for you LOL. Hey which Turtle reference is the watch on the right at 1:44?

[@thewatchidiot]

Super easy win no doubt about it! Fingers crossed for more gray dials from more brands in the future. The watch at 1:44 is the SPB265 Captain Willard Ice Diver Edition! Easily one of my absolute favorite watches that I own right now. Check out the video I did if you want! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpDLd3tpnZyHndE

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@thewatchidiot Thanks! Will definitely check out the video. I’m not huge on grey dials but I always liked the Seiko Dawn Grey series that sadly wasn’t available in the U.S.

[@thewatchidiot]

@eyeheartsushi2212 yeah the dawn grey series was great especially the turtle so hopefully they continue that series here in the US with the Captain Willard and the Slim Willard!

[@wjlevien]

Do you still have this beauty in your collection?

[@erikdupont554]

Thank you for this great review. I bought one and love it. I just wished it was a bit cheaper

[@chowda4u]

I would have liked to see a framed date window but other than that, a really nice piece.

[@thewatchidiot]

Oh yeah that's a good point! A framed date would have been quite nice especially it was a metal one although I think they skipped it bc it would have been a bit too close to the chapter ring

[@anthonystevens8683]

Nice one TWI. I love the flying saucer case shape and that bracelet looks like a step up from what I might have expected from the brand at this price point. I'm not usually a fan of friction bezels but as you mention this is quite stiff it should work well for those time zones that are not a 1 hour shift from local and that's quite a big plus in this case. That grey sunburst dial gives great reflections of the hands as well. Lume is clearly not one of the strong points but it's more of a GADA watch so not really so much of an issue. I like it a lot. As usual a great objective review and thanks for sharing.

[@thewatchidiot]

Thanks Anthony! Yeah the case and especially the bracelet are a nice upgrade to what usually does I'm glad they're starting to step up! Yeah I wish there was a way to add more lume considering how good Seiko lume is but the grey dial with those indices make up for it for me. I still can't stop looking at it i think I can classify this as one of my favorite watches!

[@billmurphy893]

Try the Uncle Seiko replacement clasp with 3 adjustment 🕳️

[@timcarlstrand5890]

I wish Seiko would use true gmt movements in their Prospex divers.

[@thewatchidiot]

Yeah it would be cool for them to use flyer GMTs for more options but caller GMTs are more useful for my use case so it works out nicely for me I guess!

[@timcarlstrand5890]

@@thewatchidiot For me it's hard to look past the AliExpress value options for a caller GMT. This watch does look great though.

[@drdesign6886]

Why? Functionally ‘true’ GMTs are only useful for those who frequently fly between time zones. For the vast vast majority the caller is way more practical.

[@timcarlstrand5890]

@@drdesign6886 I understand the difference. I don't have to track a second timezone or call anyone living in a different one. I want a holiday watch.

[@MeestroDavid]

That looks perfect. Clasp aside, that looks like the same bracelet used on the King Seiko reissues. Is it?

[@thewatchidiot]

I can't take my eyes off of it! The bracelet is very similar to the king Seiko reissue, originally I thought it was the same! But the one on the king seikos has the same basic design but it's 7 links across vs 5 here. It's a brushed flat link beads of rice of sorts and it would have looked fantastic here as well

[@MeestroDavid]

@@thewatchidiot Thanks! I absolutely love the KS bracelet (fits my wrist perfectly) so seeing something similar here is super tempting. This looks like an amazing package.

[@nerychristian]

I own both watches. Yes, the bracelets are pretty similar. Both are very comfortable to wear. But I swapped out the bracelet of the Navigator with a green leather strap. It makes it look more like a proper field watch.

[@TheKopolanpoika]

Love the clean dial with no Prospex logo or text which tells how many days it's running. Otherwise not piece of my cake

[@theenavybluemonster]

Is the grey dial color the same as the SPB143?

[@thewatchidiot]

In terms of color I think it's just about the same but in terms of the dial finish this one is far superior as it doesn't have a matte finish on top of it

[@AdAce21]

The watch looks fantastic!!! But.... $1500 is a big ask....... I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it were under $1000.

[@jamesblonde2271]

yeah, its alot, mind you nice originals are two grand now

[@tschoy9388]

Yes, it come to the class of SPB381, same is USD1500, a little bit over price.

[@ajmarion]

Should be able to find for $1,000 in like 6 months. I just got the SPB381 ($1,500) for a little over $1k, and that came out maybe 3-6 months ago

[@thewatchidiot]

I'd love it more if I saved an extra 500 for sure! But I think it's worth every penny it's a special one

[@thewatchidiot]

@ajmarion the 381 is a great watch I absolutely love my 383, I think I could safely say it's my favorite Seiko diver! That said, it can't really be compared to the overall quality of the navigator timer, the bracelet is just worse and it's not limited so I don't think the price nor the price trend of the navigator timer can be compared to that of the MM200 GMT.

[@Horizontalvertigo]

Looks like a really sick watch, I'm really fond of vintage Seiko too. Surprised I haven't seen more people review it. Personally though, the price tag is a little steep. If I were buying a retro GMT, I think I would choose one of the smaller Glycine Airman references over this one, don't know what the quality delta is like though.

[@MrPhotographerDude]

Go to a store and put it on. It's totally worth the price

[@Horizontalvertigo]

@@MrPhotographerDude I guess it would be better to say that the Airman is better value for money at grey market prices. I don't doubt that the Navigator's worth it, just that I can have an Airman and a thousand dollars left over for a comparable product.

[@gotshpilkes]

It's what my Vostok wants to be when he grows up.

[@hubertuswolfthaler]

I honestly thought this was another one of their vintage-inspired Seiko 5 models, this time with the 4R GMT movement. At 1,5k that thing is just silly; typical impulse buy that's sold on after 3-6 months.

[@samuelkim2611]

This watch should include rubber strap too !!! I love this watch !!!

[@thewatchidiot]

It would have been great to have gotten an extra rubber strap with this or maybe a nato! Time for me to start looking for more 19mm options😬

[@mtmatt6111]

Beautiful watch. Although completely subjective and not true to the original, a black dial with more contrast IMO would be a killer. Tough decision between this watch and the Seiko Alpinist GMT.

[@thewatchidiot]

A jet black dial on this watch would undoubtedly be an incredible watch and a very tempting one at that! There's always a chance of Seiko releasing different versions of this in the future so anything can happen! Yeah the black dial alpinist gmt is a fantastic watch and I'm really enjoying mine but given how long ive been waiting for this navigator timer and how much i love it, it's time to sell the alpinist gmt

[@mtmatt6111]

@@thewatchidiot - Wow that says a lot. Thank you for your response!

[@nerychristian]

They should have included a green nato strap

[@BrianNunez-bb2ep]

I like that gmt.. .i will try too find a brand i love oakley watches...14 jeweled

[@chrishennemeyer7276]

Handsome watch, but I'm utterly unconvinced by the bracelet. No micro-adjustments, no half links, and held together with pins? That makes as much sense to me as wearing flip-flops with a tuxedo.

[@Leby69]

And STILL I prefer the mm200 GMT

[@blairdalgleish8247]

The way the bracelet integrates with the case puts me off

[@lewiskong604]

It should be an office GMT.

[@freethebox]

gorgeous watch but man that's a step price for what you get

[@zman8340]

For that price it should be a true gmt and or cosc . Nice release but seiko 6rs kinda suck.

[@anthonydevono8833]

Yes it looks very good but £1500 really? I think seiko are getting a little ahead of themselves

[@PheasantPluckersMate]

So pretty. So expensive.

[@MrFredrictai]

Beautiful designed watch too bad the movement is a let down for this price range.

[@BrianNunez-bb2ep]

People it is easy too take the back pff the guts pop off bam change clean wallaba

[@zman8340]

What ?

[@fungus70]

Is Seiko paying you to review this ??

[@thedlguy1354]

He will sell it soon

[@thewatchidiot]

Unlikely considering that I've been wanting this for years but anything can happen!

[@seanhickling7340]

Very nice but not worth more than 750.

[@edshamaham5719]

What makes you say that it should be less than half the price?

[@thewatchidiot]

Yeah 750 or less is a bit of a stretch since this isn't a run of the mill Prospex GMT

[@pushslice]

So … a “very nice” (your own description) watch cannot be worth more than $750? Let me guess… every watch from every other legacy brand out there also isn’t worth more than half of the MSRP? Check the calendar ; it’s 2023. You don’t have to buy it, after all.

[@seanhickling7340]

@@pushslice I wouldn't buy it as there are far superior pieces from superior brands that aren't rediculously overpriced. I've just spent out a lot more than that on a true legacy brand whose standards haven't dropped and prices haven't risen by silly amounts. If you're happy overpaying for a 'nice' watch then fair play to you. Over and out. 👋🏻👨🏻‍🦲

[@nerychristian]

I own the watch. And even I think it is overpriced. Should be less than $800. It's not a watch that really stands out. But I still like it. The dial is nice, and it's more comfortable to wear than a Turtle