The Shadow of the Tower - Elizabeth of York - Part One

[@annstillwell730]

This show was the most true to history they have made about her and Henry Vii

[@Daughterofminerva]

When Henry asked her "Do you like music?" he sounded like a clumsy guy in front of a girl trying to break the ice 😂😂

[@Zaramakeupartist]

I see that this version is more accurate than the 2017 White Princess

[@allenfadely3298]

I just bought this book 3 days ago and I can't stop reading it, I'm almost finished!! Its been a great book to read I love it!!!

[@perwinlyngaard5595]

Shannon Walker What its The book called

[@chatymiley]

Is this more accurate than the 2017's version "The White Princess"? The Lady Margaret Beaufort here seems much kinder than in The White Princess one

[@AmethystEyes]

Absolutely! This is historically accurate. The WP was basically fiction.

[@chykim1]

Wow, Elizabeth thought quite highly of herself. LoL

[@卩丨尺卂卂-d8u]

well, she was Edward IV daughter

[@annanardo2358]

The Snob effect, it's a side effect of people in high places . 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@susanmccormick6022]

Margaret Beaufort was extremely small.And Henry had no problem in keeping poor Warwick a prisoner & later murdering him & Perkin Warbeck.

[@luciadilazzaro2285]

Are the costumes historically accurate? They look from H8, E6, JG, and a bit M1; not H7

[@persephone2706]

What do you mean?

[@mediocremaiden8883]

She's saying the costumes look more of a mixture of middle to late 16th century during the end of Henry the 8ths reign, then Edward the 6th, his only son, the nine days of Lady Jane Grey then the very beginning of Mary the Ist reign and my answer would be:This is a small scale 1970s BBB Television Production they probably did the best they could, perhaps?

[@eamonndeane587]

​@mediocremaiden8883 The Tudor Dramas BBC did in the 1970s had VERY Tight budgets.

[@marilynjames1878]

I believe that Richard did love his niece and most certainly would have married her, and I believe Elizabeth was pregnant before Anne died. That is why she sent this odd letter to Norfolk about will this queen never die, And when Richard died the child was murdered so she could of course marry Henry. I do have a Degree from Leicester University in History.

[@HereticPharaoh]

Sir George Buck claimed to have found a letter like that, but he never showed it to anyone. Also no matter how much money Richard II would have offered, I doubt the Pope would give Papal dispensation to allow said marriage to occur. And in any case Richard II was in talks to have Elizabeth marry Manuel I of Portugal. Henry VII would never have married Elizabeth had she been pregnant with another man's child, especially her if the father was her uncle. While he loved his wife, he did not marry her straight away because he did not want it to appear his reign as king was legitimized by the union. He wanted to be king in his own right, but they came to backfire in the later years as detractors pointed to the much beloved queen as the sole reason Tudor was king.

[@ThebestThebest-gt5dj]

surely he would have just married her younger sister, if she had been impreganted?

[@linegenrou]

LOL Please.

[@marykatherinegoode2773]

I can think of a more sinister likelihood. If you truly say you have a degree in history, then you should know about a tome called "The Song of Lady Bessy". It was a contemporary poem written during the first few years of the reign of Henry VII. I think it is undervalued as a source. Elizabeth of York was about eighteen, nearly nineteen when the events unfolded at Bosworth and with her uncle's last year on the throne. Not quite a little lamb, but not quite a wolf either. Let us begin....I am sorry, but my interpretation of events is a bit long. It is known that Elizabeth was close to her little brothers. There is at least one account of a man at court at the time speaking of her fondness for Richard and Edward. Both of which disappeared. Means, motive, opportunity. Sadly, there are a few fools out there who don't realize that Henry Tudor had the means and motive to kill them and his mother even more, but NOT OPPORTUNITY. He was in France when the boys died. They were only about twelve and nine years old. That they were dead would have gotten back to Tudor if the tales were true....and it must be remembered that Richard made no attempt to produce the boys after they vanished. We also know that Henry did not have the stomach to kill children when he was king himself. He locked them up or made them spit boy. Richard was likely not happy with Elizabeth Woodville having ANY power over the throne (he proved to be right, BTW, since the Woodvilles looted the coffers) and did not want her spawn on the throne because he grew up with stories of what it was like to live under Henry VI, a boy king whose advisors were the real power on the throne. Richard's son eventually died, and his wife was sickly. She is believed to have had cancer. Richard's hatred of Elizabeth Woodville was well known, but he could not get rid of a dowager queen so easily. So, how to rattle the bitch's bones?-Elizabeth. Elizabeth of York was a pretty girl and if I may be blunt and use modern terms that David Starkey would never dare to touch, she was built like a brick shithouse with huge boobs and had reddish gold hair that flowed down to her bottom, Marilyn Monroe with red hair. A girl like that gets noticed. He had declared Elizabeth's line bastards, but anyone who knows British history also remembers *the royal line was started by a bastard from Normandy* and illegitimate claim alone does not eliminate the threat totally. The Titulus Regius lowered her value in the marriage market, and all of her sisters as well. Only one could decide their fate: Richard. So Richard made a little threat to Elizabeth WOODVILLE by dressing her daughter up like the queen at Christmas Revels...and if I had to make a guess, they were revealing of Elizabeth's charms. The Queen of Tarts rather than the Queen of Hearts. He might have even tried to take a few liberties with Elizabeth behind the scenes-medieval culture placed an extreme premium on a woman's virtue and might not have seen the distinction between an Elizabeth wanting to slap the king for putting his hand down her front and Elizabeth calling him to her room. It could have been the spark for Woodville to send her to live with the Stanleys (which she did for a time) and for Elizabeth of York to decide for Tudor to save herself. (Historians forget she was of an age where other relatives of hers had lead armies or become queen. It is not impossible.) And that is when the trap was sprung. It is entirely possible that the letter was real about "the queen never dying" but it was to lure Richard into a false sense of security regarding her. The tale of Bessy asking for Lord Stanley's help may actually be TRUE. By the time of Bosworth it could very well be that Stanley had already promised his eventual aid, but not before waiting for Richard to do what he always did: plunge headlong into battle leading from the front. The only thing to do after that was to lure him away from the main fighting and kill him. The whole thing was a giant trap.

[@growingstrong1009]

Whilst your theory is highly fascinating , is there any evidence to back it up , especially about the child that was killed?

[@bobdenson5285]

Within 30 seconds of the first 30 seconds there were three unthinkable crimes punishable by death committed with many witnesses around. I doubt royals talked that loosely, especially with Richards habit of killing nobles. The writers of this show obviously thought creative license was more important than historical authenticity.

[@eamonndeane587]

It's still not as bad as in Phillipa Gregory's Adaptations.

[@Axel-ll2jp]

If like this watch the white queen too that series is amazingly

[@AmethystEyes]

Don’t. It’s fictional