The shine comes off the Vision Pro | The Vergecast

The Verge's Nilay Patel, Alex Cranz, and David Pierce discuss Apple fans starting to return the Vision Pro, Xbox exclusive games, Super Bowl streaming troubles, and more. #Technology #Podcast #Apple
00:00 - Intro
04:10 - Google "we hope this makes sense over time"
07:51 - Should you return your Vision Pro?
31:51 - Zuckerberg reviews Vision Pro
45:24 - Xbox games anywhere?
55:30 - Google Gemini 1.5 announced
1:06:30 - AI vs Copyright
1:16:01 - Lightning Round!
Further reading:
Apple fans are starting to return their Vision Pros: trib.al/esx1rxb
Zuckerberg says Quest 3 is ‘the better product’ vs. Apple’s Vision Pro: trib.al/0w28mMk
Meta’s big vision for face computers might be better than Apple’s: trib.al/1eH0Qaf
Microsoft’s gaming chief on Xbox games coming to PS5, next-gen hardware, and more: trib.al/HvoMlT7
Microsoft prepares to take Xbox everywhere: trib.al/IiaCQ3e
Gemini Advanced is most impressive when it’s working with Google: trib.al/yNsuDKM
Gemini 1.5: Google’s next-gen AI model is almost ready: trib.al/qPqeVkt
Google’s Gemini assistant is fantastic and frustrating: trib.al/CtnhaRo
OpenAI introduces Sora, its text-to-video AI model: trib.al/EkcrHXm
ChatGPT’s memory gives OpenAI’s chatbot new information about you: trib.al/95RHBMO
Can watermarks save us from deepfakes?: trib.al/mOHOyGY
Automating ableism: trib.al/Mikzn84
The text file that runs the internet: trib.al/5DRBcex
Apple won’t be forced to open up iMessage by EU: trib.al/0n3y4XN
FCC commissioner wants to investigate Apple over Beeper Mini shutdown: trib.al/hzKTRfZ
Apple appears to be breaking iPhone web apps in the EU: trib.al/EbYkFZ1
Walmart might buy Vizio to win the fight over cheap TVs: trib.al/4rabey2
AI at Work: trib.al/wkM1smj
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[@terrytas13]

Finally figured out that David Pierce's background was real because his dog made an appearance. This entire time, I couldn't tell if his background was real or not. Great looking living room!

[@kindofanmol]

ikrr its too... perfect

[@DixonLu]

Next podcast: Interview Dieter Bohn and ask about Meet on the free camera.😅

[@ChadBlanchard23]

We need some merch that says, "It's $3500."

[@jarrodjob]

Underrated comment. !pierced

[@Chris_Hruska]

I've seen tons of folks who purchased with the intention of returning the Vision Pro and ended up keeping it because of how amazing the device is! so many folks had their minds blown by how ahead of the competition this new device is!!

[@jeanbutinfrench]

Wrong place to say something positive

[@yanni2737]

Aahahahahahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@yanni2737]

Cool story bro 😂😂😂😂

[@ClaxtonBay123]

Its only the Vergecast if Nilay is there. Bring back Beers on the Vergecast

[@martinomovies]

I’m enjoying this from my Vision Pro

[@slow_328i]

bruh

[@UncleKnighthawk]

Same!

[@Toyeboy89]

Better return it soon running out of time

[@ralexand56]

@@Toyeboy89 never

[@yanni2737]

I m enjoying it on my Quest3 and I m laughing with the mugs that paid 3.5k for the same experience 😂😂😂

[@cghoward70]

A lot of people fully intended to return Vision Pro when they placed their order. Way more people wanted to try it than those that had $3500.

[@rocketmunkey1]

Apples hype machine obviously has a down side. I had a interesting conversation with someone who wanted to return their vision pro, I mentioned that a lot of people who bought them were forcing themselves to use them way beyond the point the novelty had worn off, and the impracticality kicked in, rather than face up to the fact they had just wasted 3.5k at that moment he said he realised thats what he was doing and made his mind up to return it before it ended up in a cupboard.

[@LauS0]

They wouldn't return it if it was good or useful

[@Dan_Yerlll]

Does Apple allow you to return it no questions asked?

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@Dan_Yerlll You have basic consumer rights, you can return anything as long as its undamaged and its within 2 weeks of purchase. Apparently Apple employees will try and put the hard sell on you to keep it, but nothing too excessive, they will except the return they have no choice.

[@Chris_Hruska]

it is though. lots of people kept it after purchase. they intended to return but kept it because this thing is so great!!!@@LauS0

[@TheNets]

I had no idea this podcast existed! That's awesome! Worst case scenario, I'll listen to it via Pocketcast

[@Yeahhhhthisisgood]

My favorite tech podcast

[@zpkspiano]

Seeing the podcast on the main channel is very electric

[@reckless1280]

ELECTRIC

[@Jdevil21]

I’m not sure what ppl were surprised about with this headset. It’s Exactly what they said. Vr headset with amazing pass through. Best headset I own out of 15 headsets I have over last 6 years

[@andrewkaster4033]

This podcast episode was definitely electric 💡

[@SydneyTravellersGuide]

I had no idea the podcast had a video version.

[@KyleMcNally]

Watching at 1.5x is way different than listening at 1.5x

[@TheVerge]

Welcome to the party!

[@LilBoyHexley]

I think something in Meta's favor is that Apple has kinda pulled what usually happens with other companies in reverse and is beijg the first to try doing something that is still fairly experimental, which is a passthrough native interface. The feedback that consumers give on the passthrough and windowed experience of the Vision Pro will be very useful to Meta in seeing where they may find value in pushing things on a future product.

[@elstcman5]

yeah, that's an interesting role reversal. Apple is usually NEVER the one to send the "experimental" products to market. In that sense I would love a reality where Apple just started releasing a line of their experiments that don't have the kind of pure product clarity that the Mac and iPhone do. Lmao just a bunch of bastard products mass-produced with awesome engineering

[@snapsjot]

I'm sorry guys, but you don't get the bigger picture. Hard- and software wise the Vision Pro is absolutely capable of much more. It all comes down at creativity. The one thing only creative people can add, programmers will make it, but the basis is creativity. You just talk about the 'the thing' as it is. Like someone who sees a piano for the first time, describers the piano, hears the music that programmers put in to it, but a real creative pianist can get most out of it and than you will be in awe. So, discussing the Vision Pro as being 'just another VR headset' is absurd. It is much more than this. And there is a huge gap between consumer and business wise usage. This part is also missing in you discussion. I'm not an Apple geek, but someone who knows a lot about all kinds of technical innovations since 2003 and know what works and what not. The Vision Pro is a huge leap that outsmarts everything that is out there. If I would use it just as it is 2 weeks after the introduction, I would agree, but try to step out of this narrow minded conclusions that are based on easy targets and understand the bigger picture. To easy to judge by the way you do.

[@3ladeRunner]

Don’t really get David’s take on the iPad apps. They work pretty well lol

[@doompod]

He’s not saying they can’t work, he’s saying they don’t offer a compelling reason to buy Vision Pro.

[@3ladeRunner]

And I am saying I disagree @@doompod. The apps I’m using were the ones I would use my second and third external monitors for. Now, I open them as floating apps.

[@Fluterra]

Comfort depends on the light seal and bands. Go and change them out if it’s not comfortable.

[@tomkruk2585]

I love it and it is comfortable for me 🤷‍♂

[@FFCOACHDAN]

Love my VP , no shine coming off since day one and excited for what is ahead!

[@U2haveaniceday20]

Amazing Podcast. Appreciate you guys sharing great information. For making me laugh. David hopefully you will feel better quickly. Always enjoy. ✌️💯

[@chrisjacobs7857]

Please make a feed for the video podcast so I can add this to PocketCasts

[@aboucard93]

I think Apple should treat the Apple Vision Pro like the first home computers. Make it so everyone in the household can use it and share it.

[@cspflaumer]

A million context tokens do not make you good at chicken wings. - David Pierce

[@conzure]

Nilay mentioning that the Vision Pro subreddit has issues with Apple's default fit is really interesting. I had problems with the light seal they gave me in my demo. Always had a little bit of light bleed no matter how I put it on.

[@CrisCrunch]

I love that the first 2 comments are totally Spam, classic Vergecast ironic situation.

[@witness1013]

Loool... THE classic meme about VR is literally that it's always 10 years away... aahaha.. the iron-knee!

[@jeffreyshiflett3731]

Since most of the "after shocks" are rants the other hosts have about a given "lightning round" topic, I believe they should be called "thunder grumbles". After all, what comes after lightning?

[@votdfak]

More of video version pls.

[@Chayoeverett]

If I had a quarter for Everytime Alex was allowed to finish a sentence or thought- I wouldn't have many quarters

[@moranmono]

Why Nilay is not using dex?

[@jasongrig]

fun podcast with good points

[@craiggmelville]

I'm guessing that there will be a GamePass for each platform until streaming is a viable solution.

[@josephrussell3767]

All I want from AR is the scanner from Dragon Ball Z 🐉

[@samhenrigold]

"a million tokens does not make you better at chicken wings" what a weird world we've built for ourselves

[@Lucifer-fj7mg]

I’m positive on Vision Pro but not at its current state, because it’s a new product that just launch and need to be polished and more apps to be developed.

[@Jdevil21]

Mark is also being very deceptive saying this video is shot with quest 3 pass through cameras. Because we all no footage record from pass through doesn’t look like it does in the headset

[@maxmouse3]

I hope this makes sense over time is hilarious

[@CarlosPacheco]

its 2024 and we still need to explain to people how to find a podcast.

[@gregorygeorge8695]

I believe that the Vision Pro had to be released now, and at the same time, isn't ready. Both those statements can be true. The Vision Pro is going to create a lot of market and cultural peneratration is the consumer space, as well as set up a good foundation of OS updates, which will be important in creating the experience they want when they can make something for the masses. If they waited on this, it would likely be too late. Nevertheless, the Vison Pro is inherently flawed in a way that I can't imagine that Apple is completely proud of.

[@daved8070]

Feels like almost every episode Nilay throws in Apple made the first smartwatch... The Sony smart watch 3 (android) was fantastic for the time! In-built GPS to track workouts without your phone, music with onboard storage, bluetooth, apps, reply to texts from your watch, etc etc and guess what, released BEFORE the apple watch 🙃

[@senortilla7239]

"Steve Balmer talking about the iPhone launch" but with the Vision Pro right here by the Verge.

[@artursychov]

As someone who uses VR daily for 7+ years Apple has delivered quite a revolution. You guys sound a bit quite Steve Ballmer and Nokia when iPhone came out. Vision Pro is a revolution as IS.

[@rocketmunkey1]

People are happy to waste sub 500 dollars on a novelty occasional use device, but not anything above that, and certainly not 3500 dollars ! VR no matter how well implemented is a novelty which wears off pretty quickly ! and you know how little use (value) you're going to get out of it going forward.

[@mattmaas5790]

If you move the cpu and battery from the AVP into a pack thing it wouldnt become the size of a backpack and need more fans than it did originally in the headset! Think Alex!!! And some people do know that wires do carry signal fast enough to display video seamlessly, just not you.

[@yanni2737]

That's not the first VR headset ever came out. Apple could easily integrate the battery in the headset if they removed the 2 completely useless external screens and used lighter materials instead of magnesium (like every other headset out there). Instead they chose looks over substance and ended up with this awful design.

[@DawnDupponmi]

Down a shot every time they say “like”

[@ichthyander45]

Quest 3 is the winner in all this. All people that never cared about VR stuff now knows about it and when VisionPro turns out to be very expensive, People discover Quest 3 or 2.

[@MakrMania]

Then they get the quest 3 and see that it is a sub par experience , then they will put the device on the shelf to collect dust. Like it does for me, I played some games like beat saber, tilt brush and synth riders but that’s almost it really has…

[@trikuxabi]

I really like Quest (I have a Q2) but I don’t think so. Quest is very games-oriented, even if there are a few “productive solutions” here and there, it won’t reach the mainstream unless Meta changes strategy radically.

[@chaosengine3772]

@@MakrMania No, they get a Q2/Q3 and see what VR is really about. Not Apple's forced definition of it .

[@waleedsharif618]

My question : if people are complaining about comfortability of it then why not just buy bobovr to it, to make it comfortable ?

[@alexmatteson6228]

Nilay is gonna regret giving the Vision Pro a 7.

[@jeanbutinfrench]

Nah, He is more stubborn than Apple, which is saying something

[@sz7011]

Love this podcast

[@andre-le-bone-aparte]

@55:10 - Make it happen Nilay! -- RIff Raff reviews the AVP... TiP TOE WiNG iN MY JAWWDiNZ. The Versace Viper, Internet Icon, The Rap Game Steve Jobs!

[@markjbon]

It's currently lacking many features but many of them can be accomplished via software updates which is expected in a 2 week old Gen 1 product. The reason for my return was hardware based which only a next gen product could solve for. The obvious being the comfort. I tried both bands in different positions, a couple light seals but as the days passed, I felt less and less excited about putting it on due to lack of comfort. Secondly, the pass through is not good enough which makes looking at phone and watch notifications very difficult. Too often I had to resort to lifting the VP off my face to see my phone which then disrupts the best comfort fit I finally was able to situate. In the meantime, Apple should mirror all notifications from external devices in the ecosystem even if you can't interact will all. I've seen mixed reviews on this aspect. Many share the same concern while others say it's not a problem for them. Anyways, I think VP has a future and will ultimately follow the same successful path as the Apple Watch and iPad.

[@the5thgeneral]

I’ve only used the knit band, first try I made it too tight but now I use it pretty loose and it works a lot better and a lot more comfortable. Obviously there are little things here and there that I would like addressed in future software updates but overall it’s pretty amazing.

[@markjbon]

@@the5thgeneral I agree. I think it’s pretty amazing for a first gen product. I would not put it past Apple to reel me back in after a few software updates and some new killer apps.

[@growtocycle6992]

They had five years. It's not gen 1... It's at least gen 4 of vr. they have learned from other companies. 🙄

[@NDNIN]

Alex' and David's disdain for AI despite clearly not talking to anyone outside their immediate social circle about its functionality and use cases continues to be troubling.

[@Mangolite]

Doh, it’s returning day after the 14 days try out limitation policy.

[@Jdevil21]

Is that not what camera man doo. Stair at someone with the cameras? Confused why that’s any different

[@gr81matt]

For the record, Pentimate is awesome.

[@Jdevil21]

This is not a Vision Pro issue. These ppl are just complaining about vr. They should probably realize that this is the best vr product money can buy. If you like vr you should own this. If you’re not into it. Then fine. Your not into vr

[@yanni2737]

🤔 Vision Pro doesn't do VR it does AR. It has Zero VR experiences or games. Also Apple is marketing VP as an AR device.

[@DaveHammondDublin]

This is not a Vision Pro issue - really - eh sorry mate but then you launch a premium product that costs 7 times more than a quest which is the other main Vr headset in the space - the fan boys are just in denial - it’s heavy , it has 2 hour battery out and about - the use cases are limited - and the price point - just adds up to a failure product - time will tell.

[@BenGoodsonModular]

First time I saw an iPod nano I knew I wanted one (at the time I wasn't really using mp3s). I don't have the same reaction to the AVP. And I have been into VR since 2016.

[@memofromessex]

I am very mellow watching this. I hope everyone had a lovely day embracing nature and walking through miles of muddy paths :) Have a great weekend.

[@beautheschmo]

What happened to the theme song at the beginning? 😢

[@stevendunn2501]

As your average $40k a year American, the Vision Pro just appears to be a totally unnecessary, marginally cool-looking face-computer that after 20 minutes will reveal itself to be utterly useless. I'll pass.

[@craiggmelville]

MS communication is poor was the only failing in last weeks out. Why did you not mention that for years Sony have been releasing their premier IP's on another platform?

[@seste87]

Forget Apple. How is anyone allowing Meta to position themselves against the big bad. META IS THE BIG BAD! A simple name change made the entire tech industry forget? Really?!?

[@BeardoPNW]

15:09 its the Motorola razr all over again.

[@agoodlife2]

I want to watch a site that uses and follows the latest equipment, you are dropping Apple Vision Pro, I am dropping you

[@pedroarraztoa2789]

This program should be renamed as "The Steve Ballmer´s Show"

[@christopherknowles]

More like The Verge of Tears.

[@dyelon13]

I wonder if in 10 years call of duty loses some of the cultural cache it currently has like how halo is not the powerhouse it used to be

[@JC012732]

The people who bought the Apple Vision Pro are our tech pioneers. They are suffering from digital dysentery to explore a new landscape. The value is not in the product but in getting to be an adventurer in a new space. When the iPhone came out, most people really were better served holding on to their blackberry. This product is a sign post, but we’re not there yet

[@thedarkangel613]

the iPhone was genuinely new. first full screen completely touch control phone that also allowed for other applications like internet and music. APV is a higher end quest. the things you can do on AVP you CAN do on the Quest but Apple hardware/software blend is sublime. these new adventures had this opportunity years ago its just higher end now because APPLE HAS MONEY!. that's why its i find it WILD that THIS is a sign post

[@Renull55]

shock wave

[@jeanbutinfrench]

Jesus the constant snark is unbearable, like if at least it was funny… I imagine 10 or 20 years from now people will look back at this and be like wow, it’s a collection of bad takes, luckily no one will ever watch this again… Like, meta is 10 years at this, they have such a mature product, that has never turned a profit, but the dumbasses have no concept of “bigger picture”…

[@benjiebarker]

pico headsets use snap dragon chip

[@doompod]

Customers should be relentless about Apple forgoing multi-user support. This is anti/consumer and it needs to end now. I can understand why iPhones don’t have it, but iPads, AVP demand it.

[@brentrockwood]

I dunno, man. I dropped the four grand. Day one. Amazing. Day two, pretty amazing. Day three, I watched half a movie. Day four. I didn’t put it on. Heavy, uncomfortable, expensive. I powered through that stuff. It’s just a bit of a pain. The eye tracking is just OK. And guess what? People touch their fingers and thumbs together all the time.

[@mikemanzano5363]

A full discussion on why some people (apparently seems like a small number of people reported by Apple insider) are returning their VP yet little to no discussion of why a great number of people are keeping theirs. No attempt to try and figure out why people are finding value in the device despite its limitations. This is not balanced reporting. These are opinions to fit your narrative.

[@chaosengine3772]

Apple Insider is a trusted resource... mmm, ok. Of course they will say a small number of returns.

[@bobweiram6321]

Agreed. Stating "people are returning their AVPs" means nothing. Give us a percentage! The people who returned them are total idiots because they can make a nice profit selling it on the international market.

[@mikemanzano5363]

@@chaosengine3772 why, because the have “Apple” in their name? That’s your threshold for trust?

[@rocketmunkey1]

Because keeping a product isn't news is it, its only unusual if large numbers of people return it, aka the vision pro, then its of note.

[@RichardLDN]

Gee. I wonder why the media never reports on things that are unremarkable like “people are not returning their device” or “Apple enthusiasts love an Apple product”

[@Jdevil21]

Look. This is a Bentley quest is a Honda. That’s it. There both cars and both get you to A-B but the experience getting there is way different. Everyone in my family who’s tired Vision Pro. Loved it. When they all hated trying my quest 3. Normal ppl are impressed. These tech ppl just don’t realize what normal ppl like or think

[@yanni2737]

Cool story bro

[@DaveHammondDublin]

Yeah- but if Bentley released a model that was so flawed then the reviews would be the same. And if the buyers wanted to return the Bentley because they were so underwhelmed - then telling them they could have bought a Honda for a fraction of the price doesn’t really change the problem. The product is a dud - Steve Jobs would not have approved this for released without some significant improvements .

[@frankreynolds9930]

So they like a device with lack of apps but hated feature packed one?

[@human_shaped]

Very good. This is the best review I've seen so far.

[@luistigerfox]

Honestly I think when Mark is saying Meta is "open player" it's just communicating poorly. I believe it's more of a comparative note. There's no hardware data connections for the Apple Vision pro (outside of the dev kit), so you can't sideload, and you can't wire it up for PCVR, AVP doesn't seem to have compatibility with OpenXR standards. The AVP is not intended to connect to anything at all outside of the Apple ecosystem, where the Quest is capable of operating outside of the Meta ecosystem.

[@MakrMania]

Not yet, it has been out for 2 weeks yet everyone expects it to do everything. Not people know that you can connect it to a computer with a side band replacement. Then it is a software update that will add more functionality.

[@chaosengine3772]

@@MakrMania You have to be a developer to get the USB dongle. Which costs $200! No software update will replace what's missing in hardware. The AVP is locked inside Apple's garden of walls. They have the keys and don't ever expect the AVP to play outside of it. The Quest(s) has no such limits.

[@conradseba]

Well, Argentina and Sudamérica ARE America, so that wasn't wrong

[@brandonreed09]

The Irony is that when AI takes over they will force us all to where the vision pro. It will be the real matrix.

[@allanvandenberg7]

The verge has a lot of editors: “editor in chief” “managing editor” and “editor at large” 😂

[@The-Living-Shadow]

its $3500! lol

[@Jdevil21]

If you’re really interested I wouldn’t suggest ppl that are not VR reviews. Find a vr channel and listen to there thought. Like he keeps walking about motion blur is a camera issue. lol it’s a panel problem bro. It’s called low 😊resistance and it’s the trade off to OLED screen Vs lcd. And let me tell you. When using vr that doesn’t have OLED and blacks are gray. It’s bad. So it’s worth the trade off. But these ppl don’t no anything about that stuff

[@Gokhanaj]

My TV is $3500. And this is way, way better and more functional than my TV.

[@yanni2737]

I guess you have no family/friends cause you will need more than one VP to get the same experience 😏😏

[@Gokhanaj]

@@yanni2737I do, but I don’t watch everything with them. So?

[@TheMiddleMan890]

personal opinion alert! i’d prefer the vergecast on stay on its own channel. as an audio listener through apple podcasts, as well as someone who looks forward to each high quality verge video, it feels like my verge youtube feed is going to get dominated by vergecast eps. again, vergecast fan here, just would like this to remain a place i come to for high production features, reviews, etc!

[@BeardoPNW]

27:24 i agree with alex on how the avp is hostile design

[@Vynzent]

*sees all components, including fans, fit inside the small headset: "If you took that out they would need a whole backpack." Do better.

[@mattmaas5790]

Xbox strategy is all encompassing, so both classic consoles and streaming. You guys dont have to latch on to simplistic axioms like theyre not investing heavily into exclusives like Indiana jones, Fable, Avowed, and several others.

[@mattmaas5790]

Xbox gamers don't get mad. You guys are literally reporting on Sony fans saying this is going to make xbox fans mad. Like tweet reporting.

[@Zartah]

It was always a stupid idea.

[@chr1st0pher]

Please talk to some creatives who use vr for work, sculpting, animation, cad design, etc. this is the real killer “pro” use case for vr/spatial and everyone is sleeping on it (including Apple, meta, devs, and journalists). We are all still using 4+ year old apps regularly that have not been updated in years, but working in real 3d space is so game changing that it’s worth it.

[@AA-yw1nh]

50% downvotes is tough to do these days.

[@rocketmunkey1]

Apple doesn't want people to share the device because they know how novelty the experience is, and they don't want possible future customers getting bored with the vision pro, before they've even bought one.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

big lonely tvs xD ....no bro it's literally Ironman holograms in reality ...if u don't like it because it's not perfect and it's expensive fine

[@lightstorm6652]

1. Android Tablets never left and are now betrer than ever, see Galaxy Tab S9 Ultra 2. I dont have his TV but im pretty sure there is a playstore app installed where he can update the Android apps, like i can on my Phillips Android TV

[@unkown34x33]

It's magic until it's not. Dude... That's exactly what apple is. Thanks for saying it.

[@ralexand56]

These clowns are making complaints about things that aren’t major issues for people who actually use it. What the clowns don’t get is it does everything I can do with my phone so this idea there is nothing to do with it is laughable.

[@polarbear122]

I’ll continue looking through my AVP screens very happily. Y’all are such downers

[@simplysaso]

Agreed

[@VraserX]

Waste of money. There are smarter investments...

[@jonahhammond2438]

Invest your $4000 instead much more worth it

[@Zyrexed]

@@jonahhammond2438 $4000 to you is clearly different than $4000 to me and others. Just because you believing investing that money is more worth it, doesn't mean it is for everyone.

[@dtz1000]

Return it and buy a Quest 3.

[@dman7895]

way too much filler. way too long. the beginning chatter was not important

[@JeffreyDickinson]

Filler words are amateurish and audio awful.

[@mattmaas5790]

Tough watching them talk about video games and making sure to emphasize how some smaller indie games aren't as big as a big ps4 tentpole like the last of us. Also xbox fans dont care of if some games go multiplat.

[@dtz1000]

Returning the AVP was so predictable. Many of these buyers never intended to keep it. Serves Apple right for overhyping the headset. They won't try their BS in the UK because they know we won't put up with that over here. They simply wouldn't get away with it like they do in the USA with its weak consumer advertising laws.

[@PeterNooteboom]

What specific advertisement do you think is infringing?

[@bobweiram6321]

Yeah, what did Apple promise that they didn't deliver on?

[@dtz1000]

@@PeterNooteboom Apple lied about Spatial video in their ad. They showed parallax in the spatial video, but the truth is it is just regular 3D video like you get on the Quest 3. Watch the video, "Spatial Video vs 3D : Apple LIED to us" for more about this.

[@macman2141]

Exactly How did Apple overhype the Headset?

[@dtz1000]

@@macman2141 I answered that above.