‘The Shining’ - Greatest Scary Movie Ever or Craziest Great Scary Movie? | The Rewatchables

[@HoonAgain]

Watching this on October 3, 2023. KZbin algo knew I needed it I guess. Can’t believe I missed this one. I HIGHLY recommend going back to the old Rewatchables you haven’t seen. Too good.

[@HarrisonHollers]

I’m just finding this podcast during 2021. I really appreciate these three guys breaking down the movies that shaped our lives. Awesome, hilarious, unique takes!

[@espenlappebakken3098]

I unfortunately just discovered them last month 🫣but i have been listening to their podcast every day since❤

[@HarrisonHollers]

@@espenlappebakken3098 isn’t it frustrating to feel like you missed out on something so great? There is so much content these days! I discovered some great podcasts these days. The Rewatchables is Top 10 for me.

[@collegeisdabomb]

Instant classic Rewatchables episode

[@michaelcummings8763]

The dynamic between these three is summarized perfectly at 54:00 when they talk about Tony

[@knownpleasures]

The singer of the last song ( also featured in the hotel bar scenes) in the movie was Al Bowlly ( midnight , the stars and you ) . His last song recorded was called “ when that man is dead and gone “. He was killed in a flat in London in 1941 by war bombing. However his body was found unmarked and obviously lifeless and immobile . Much like Jack at the end of Shining .

[@qmagnificent2529]

Make a movie of the making of shining with Paul.giamatti as Kubrick

[@robaquarian]

bad casting

[@beckyleonardis6331]

Love listening to the 3 of you! You guys make me laugh every time! I heard some stories about Shelley Duvall. I'm surprised she didn't have a breakdown.

[@belleairballer]

The last What’s Aged the Best at 57:11 absolutely kills me every time 😂

[@popop143]

1:28:25 is an all-time Bill moment lmao. Having the pods in video format is a gem, I never knew this happened while listening to the audio format.

[@domclegg1225]

i'm so confused what happened there

[@jammakers]

I saw the shining in 1980 at the movies when I was 15 years old and it was the scariest experience in a movie in my life. It was the anticipation and suspense that really got me. I was waiting for something really terrifying to happen. And in the end I was dissapointed. But later when I saw it again and again I began to appreciate it more. With every viewing I became obsessed by it. Now I think it's probably the best horror film ever made. . I became aware of stanley kubrick after this movie and have seen full metal jacket and eyes wide shut at the movies afterwards. His movies are an event. They twist your mind and make you question the world around you. The shining was my gateway drug to the appreciation of cinema. Definitely one of the best movies ever made.

[@Reefism]

The Witches of Eastwick was my introduction to Jack Nicholson! I just saw The Shining, all the way through, for the 1st time and I loved it.

[@djstarsign]

I’m a huge film buff and a major fan of this podcast. Nice to finally put a face to a voice. And I, like Bill, was FAR TOO YOUNG to watch this movie when it was first released on HBO. I was 5 and my dad totally let me watch it with him. It scarred me for years. Apparently, parents were way more relaxed back then with this kind of shit. I corrected my dad... but in a civil way, meaning I forgave him for the psychological horror he inflicted on me with this nightmare of a film.

[@katewyand2217]

@Respect/Walk D Escalade was 5. When you were 5 you were a snowflake.

[@keeganshigh]

You come off incredibly pompous.

[@JackTorrance333]

The shining was my introduction to both Stanley and Jack. It had a monumental impact on me.

[@VixCrush]

I first knew him in Easy Rider..

[@Nick-qn6xr]

Finally!!! It’s released from Warner Bros prison! The Ringer corrected them.

[@americanmultigenic]

Very enjoyable discussion! Thanks! As you touched on, near the end, I think the one major weakness is how it takes all of 0.000001 ms -- after they are left alone at the Overlook -- for Jack to get REALLY quite weird. I would have loved (ref: the Netflix series idea) to see some scenes of their first days there, before the snows come, which (perhaps) were actually rather happy. . . as though this was a good idea, and things were going to work out for the family. And THEN for the ~darkness~ to more gradually creep in, still keeping us guessing a little, for longer. Of course, it's already quite a long movie, but I always find it jarring how quickly the darkness descends on Jack.

[@mphrdldn]

This reminds me of the criticism of Double Indemnity that Walter fell for and committed to Phyllis awfully fast.

[@tendrel_sound]

It was a month before Jack started to get weird. When Wendy brings him breakfast in bed, he is totally normal.

[@elliotkaufman8341]

At 1:21:50 they discuss the Charles Grady / Delbert Grady discrepancy. There is also a discrepancy regarding the ages of his daughters p. We see them as twins, but Ullman says they were 8 and 10 years old

[@DiscoPantsandHaircuts]

I’d read somewhere that Jack was a Voluntary fireman back in the day and knew how to swing an ax and all the prop doors were no match. That’s why they had to keep getting stronger and stronger ones.

[@drby0788]

That is a fact

[@G.Snackwell]

Patrick Swayze is so proud of Bill

[@missioncodez]

The point of showing Hallorann on the plane, at the airport, at the service station, and navigating the roads was to impress upon the viewer the long journey and effort he was undertaking just to get back to the Overlook. Those scenes are essential in setting up the audience's expectations for what they think his role will ultimately be. You guys all missed the most obvious nitpick: During the final chase in the hedge maze, despite the brutal winter setting, none of the actors are showing their breaths in the "frigid" air.

[@DannyWilliamH]

This exactly. I've listened to a few of these now and it's frustrating to hear these guys supposedly "really into film" totally miss the point on major, obvious aspects of a film. Stuff that isn't for some film school snob but very obvious stuff. This happens with every episode I've watched and I'm not sure if it's them all not knowing or *Bill* not knowing and the other two being too afraid to basically call him dumb (lol). Hallorann's journey back emphasized that, no, this isn't a lark or superstition to him. We already know but not really because every instance shown has another explaination for a viewer looking for one. It shows that "shining" is real and he *knows* - not thinks - some bad shht is about to go down. He's so sure that he goes back to the hotel to check while on his seasonal break in Sunny Florida. Those scenes are absolutely necessary. Also, the movie has a few things to be nitpicked. It's a masterpiece but it also feels like it was made purposefully generic from a performance standpoint. It's not a perfect movie and has a few glaring, almost obvious missteps. Jack isn't that amazing in it, IMO. He's good and it's an iconic role but he wasn't amazing in it. Actually, they're all pretty generic in it but that feels forced in many ways. I just never feel like the acting surpasses the cinematography. The movie almost says more and gives more of the "Shining vibe" through everything *but* the actors. haha The breath is a good one, too. I could have swore that I had seen a copy recently that had the breath added in. I could just be imagining that but I feel like they may have recently added that in digitally.

[@rbest21]

Two very good points.

[@knownpleasures]

Nonsense! Hallorann never left . If he was away and came back to the state he couldn’t get to the hotel as they were snowed in .

[@katewyand2217]

Joel Turkel ( Lloyd the Bartender) said when they were setting up the scene in the bar the lights were so hot the corks began popping out of some of the bottles.

[@Jk-us7wt]

This is my favorite podcast ever on The Shining Just discovered you guys and love your engaging, intelligent and hilarious energy together Btw I'm one of the lucky, lucky few who saw the film on its opening day in L A and so I got to see the infamous final hospital scene with Ullman, Danny and Wendy that Kubrick had cut from every print the next day I remember the scene in every detail and have always regretted that it's gone every one of the multiple times I've seen the film since - it was so Haunting and creepy and made the final shot even more memorable I am a huge Kubrick fan - he and Hitchcock are my favorite directors - but this was one of his very few mistakes If you ever want to talk about it let my know Happy Halloween to you guys!

[@PaulBenjaminJenkins]

If anyone here wants to hear some music directly influenced by the Shining's haunted ballroom, listen to The Caretaker, specifically the album An Empty Bliss Beyond this World. Eerie stuff, he slows down old big band records and adds layers of creepy atmosphere.

[@eph42]

I watched the film for the first time in years recently and suddenly made the connection during the 2nd ballroom scene & his music.

[@lefthook9707]

The costume bear blowing the guy was just about the strangeness that took place at the Overlook.

[@fentanyljones6956]

Bill’s yelling makes the pod

[@foosbooze263]

I watched this in theater a few years ago. It’s the only true way to witness this masterpiece. I heard and seen new things I’ve never noticed before. The sound on a TV does the film zero justice.

[@lefthook9707]

This (a Rewatchable) needed to be done for what is slowly but surely finding its way among the 70s/80s cream of the crop as time goes by....John Carpenter's The Thing.

[@elliotkaufman8341]

At 1:19:00 they discuss how Jack is reading an issue of Playgirl in the hotel lobby. The cover of that issue displays an article about incest. Some people theorize that subtext was intentional, as if Jack's child abuse is not just physical.

[@darrensmith8184]

I've been listening to the podcast for a couple of weeks now and I'm really enjoying it, but until I actually saw you guys I thought 'these guys don't sound old enough to have seen these films when they came out' you have youthful voices.

[@scottv9667]

There’s people walking from down the hall behind where the window in Ullmans office would be. It’s an impossible window. Kubrick admitted to spacial impossibilities in the hotel

[@Bryan8329]

Scorsese talked about how tight the camera moves when it follows the ax during the bathroom scene. That makes it all the more scary since I noticed that.

[@pepppery]

I remember seeing the trailer at the movies, where the blood came out of the Elevator, scared the hell out of me. I was at the age where I was afraid of certain movies being shown as commercials, that was one of em'.

[@derekroberts6654]

It’s my opinion if it weren’t for Nicholson’s performance in “The Shining”, he wouldn’t even had been considered to play the Joker In 1989s “Batman”.

[@garycastillo943]

When Jacks walking to the Gold Room the first time, his reflection is absent on the 3rd and last mirror.

[@__L_S_B__]

Thanks for all the vids ringer crew!

[@Bnnycali]

That Fast Break poster is so fantastic! I watched that so many times when I was little, absolutely hilarious movie.. when they have to eat all the weed in the car.. 😂. Loved that movie!

[@brovold72]

I was the about the same age as the kid. Watched the twins scenes from the end of the hall when it first appeared on HBO. Think my parents wised up and sent me to bed.. but too late.

[@jelliamesott1]

Symbology?! Symbolism... Symbolism. The word you are looking for is symbolism.

[@pauliusdeveikis847]

Camon guy's, we need goodfellas and pulp fiction!

[@kingfadal4711]

Pulp fiction for sureee

[@knottsneffex]

Your prayer was just answered

[@adamrielh]

@@knottsneffex prayer answered part 2

[@noopster]

"La Boheme. It's an opera" - Frank Oz, Trading Places

[@daniverse9625]

They're wrong about Popeye. A common misconception is that it was a flop, it actually made a profit, and was Altman's second most attended film after Mash. Probably wouldn't even touch his five biggest flops too. Just a minor correction there!

[@brotherdandy]

“Popeye” still has never shaken that image it was an unmitigated disaster. “Heaven’s Gate” level disaster.

[@daniverse9625]

@@brotherdandy People calling it a Heaven's Gate are ridiculous. It was the 12th highest grossing film of 1980. Implying it was a "Heaven's Gate" type disaster, means that nobody went to see it, which isn't true. It just didn't mean Disney / Paramount expectations which is where the confusion from.

[@missioncodez]

@@brotherdandy Nobody really has that perception. Seriously.

[@katewyand2217]

Popeye is an acquired taste in movies.

[@Victor2924]

27:50 listing to this in headphones is not the set I would picture in my mind.

[@lefthook9707]

The opening credits to "The Shining" are scarier than 99% of all movies ever made.

[@deanstewart1988]

My daughter is 12 and ive just showed The Shinning. She said its the best Movie she's ever seen... And shes right.

[@kurtbonacker4011]

I’ve watched both Stand by Me and The Shining Rewatchables and you guys all give credence to Shawshank, Misery and It…saying it’s “the least Stephen King like”, which I totally agree with and you are all 100% right…but what really pisses me off is that, not once,(in any of these ‘Rewatchables’), do you any of you mention, The Green Mile…which, imo, other than Shawshank, is King’s best story and movie..especially in the ‘not-so-king-genre’, cmon guys, you all missed this, at least as a side point…but, The Green Mile, could easily be a “Rewatchable” itself. Show it some love!!!!

[@focalized]

Theres a recent youtube video talking about how often he looks into the camera. As if it was directional. Most the time theres nothing else to look at as an actor. Amazing film.

[@UWish0430]

I believe The Shining was showing in the movie Twister during the drive-in movie scene towards the end.

[@willyboods5197]

That CR shining sequel idea was excellent

[@scottlyard1317]

I think, and I'm not %100 about this, that the reason that Jack Torrance is looking at a Playgirl is because they published a article/shirt story of his. I think that was in the book, but I could be wrong.

[@jayjones9225]

One of the best films of all-time and very rewatchable. A Clockwork Orange and The Shining are my favorite Kubrick films. Great analysis of Kubrick and Nicholson and their greatness

[@dannymcguire3623]

The scene where he’s reading the bible and then imagining himself whipping Christ is my favorite moment in film history.

[@thombat999]

totally with you on the ad. It was on HBO.

[@CinemaGulp]

The sound design pops like no one's business for this movie when you see it on the big screen. I was lucky.

[@focalized]

I watched various Kubrick films a lot in the 80s. Also reading most Stephen King books. Preteen. Im fucked up. 2001 lifts me up though.

[@plissken2156]

There's a bit of foreshadowing of Jack's demise early on in the film during the job interview scene. If you freeze-frame on Jack in this scene and zoom in on his green necktie, you'll notice that woven into the necktie is a raised pattern of what resembles an aerial view of the infamous hedge maze out back.

[@TheRealDarrylStrawberry]

I personally love the Wendy Theory. it explains why Jack would leave wendy and danny in the bathroom after hes pretty much chopped it down just to go hide from Halloran whos doing 2mph in the snow cat.

[@raymondfields2148]

Pet Cemetery, if I'm not mistaken, is also built on a native burial ground.

[@danielspuzak2846]

Lately I've got hooked on The Shining Reaction videos.

[@iank3924]

Wait... did Bill really say The Blues Brothers bombed?

[@SP-cp3qu]

Pretty disappointed to see Sean kind of hand-waving away Kubrick's brutal treatment of Shelley Duvall. She "signed up" to do a horror movie, not to actually be demeaned/traumatized in real life. Its no excuse that Kubrick was "obsessive". Also Nicholson says Kubrick treated her much differently than himself in interviews, so him "handling it better" doesn't make any sense.

[@christianbraun8290]

If he didn’t do that, the movie wouldn’t be what it was. You wouldn’t be commenting if it wasn’t for that

[@Euphoriasmotion2011]

King didn't like Kubrick's movie because Kubrick was calling him a peadophile. Playgirl, The sexual abuse of Danny, the bear job. In the book the car was red, and Kubrick had the red car crushed in a car crash as Halloran was driving to the overlook. King and Spielberg were hanging around Heather o'roorke and Drew Barrymore as kids. Very suspicious.

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

King for sure is a child enthusiast.

[@Tolstoy111]

Directing kids in films is creepy?

[@andrewpark7016]

Why is the max resolution 360p?

[@SplitaBrick]

You wanna see their pores too?

[@andrewpark7016]

@@SplitaBrick Nope... I'd just settle for not blurry...

[@YeilPark]

Did you watch this right when it was published? 1080 works for me right now

[@horizonfios]

My default is 720 idiot

[@brianandrew9594]

The scenes with Hallorann outside of the hotel are mundane and boring on purpose ... because they are being written by Jack (he’s a BAD writer). The Shining has an intermixing of the story AND Jack’s story (notice there will be random cutaways to him typing ... followed by a deliberately out of place scene like Wendy in the kitchen listening to the news). It’s a story of the cycles of abuse in America ... Native American genocide, sexual/spousal abuse, alcoholism, elitism (do some research on the Federal Reserve, The Gold Room, and the final picture), etc ... Until Danny attempts to BREAK the cycle in his own family (which is why he retraces his steps symbolically and stops the cycle) ... which also explains why Jack has resorted to an animal/savage like man at the end: he’s showing his ancestral tendency to be abusive. Kubrick is another level genius ... and even after years of studying the film I can’t even piece together all of his themes and intentions.

[@nbnettles]

There was 2 older ladies & 1 younger lady in bathroom scene. The one old lady jack kisses has longer hair. The older lady laying in bathtub has short hair. Also the butler guy that Wendy sees with blood dripping down his head isn't Dilbert Grady. Nobody sees the same "ghosts".

[@mphrdldn]

Sadly, Mrs. Torrance didn't realize that Mr. Torrance was not really going to write while he ran The Overlook Hotel any more than she could accept his child abuse. And, his whole deterioration was about that. She may have realized this as she was doing his job at The Overlook Hotel! She was the one who progressed and culminating to her actions in the end.

[@May23rdMovement]

Shelley Duval was affected by this immensely. Sean trying to shoo away Kubrick’s responsibility to his actors

[@MrOctober44]

Not according to Shelley Duval but I guess you would know better than her.

[@mrmike616]

Duvall is a straight up freak so there’s that.🤦‍♂️

[@jvanelden1]

So I'm looking for this horror movie, probably released in early 90's. There's a mother (frozen or murdered and brought back to life or possessed in some way) chasing a boy and a girl. The money shot is where the kids are hiding under a bridge and you see the woman's scary looking face upside down, looking under the bridge, at which moment you can only hope they've moved on. Does anybody know what movie this is?

[@USC9210]

The Last Detail starts Jack's run. All time "Midnight" movie.

[@DannyWilliamH]

The sequel is really, really good. Liked it a lot more than I thought I would. It succeeds by not trying to be anything like The Shining. They didn't try to be Kubrick. They made a movie in the very basic, traditional sense and it's very good. The Shining is a "film", you can say that without sounding pretentious. The sequel is 100% a movie and it's better for it. It's one of my favorite movies of the last decade. I reccomend the director's cut of it.

[@nbme-answers]

7:08 Symbology? The word you're looking for, Greenly, is symbolism. “What's the /symbolism/ here?”

[@bikramarora1819]

Symbology was used correctly here. You’re wrong.

[@MrOctober44]

16:47, 32:05, 125:10, Cruising reference

[@bbqnetwork8536]

Who Would You cast as Jack Nicholson Kubrick and King in a movie about the making of The Shining

[@denisefabio4800]

Di Caprio. Paul Giamatti. John Cusack

[@laurens4561]

"Is that the fucking guy from the Shining?"

[@marcussaxell]

PLEASE do JFK 🙏🏼

[@michaelcummings8763]

this would be amazing with these three, the way Fennessey talks about Oliver Stone

[@travisspazz1624]

Saw Doctor Sleep and it's fantastic!!

[@keeganshigh]

Slow down bud, it's fine.

[@caronte008]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[@pts5217]

keeganshigh Completely agree. It wasnt awful, but didnt blow my mind. It felt cheap. Like a made for TV movie, or a streaming service mini-series. Stephen King novels need talented directors to do something with the story. The ones that are too faithful to the books arent great. Dr Sleep felt too Stephen King-ish

[@ChubbyChecker182]

No movie has benefited more from the internet age than The Shining. (It's a great movie, but it seems to have really risen in stature over the last ten years with all the theories, etc, certainly been the case for me, and I just love the movie now).

[@horizonfios]

ChubbyChecker182 ever since I watched it

[@mrebear9758]

Disagree, it's been regarded as a classic since the late 80s or early 90s.

[@justingabel8031]

One of the best horror movies of all time….it’s definitely in its own genre though as there isn’t really anything like it….a classic nonetheless

[@mattsmoviemagic8123]

you guys should leave a time track in your section so we can jump to whatever ever subject being covered.

[@GANGLYMAN117]

i agree that would be great. If I get the inspiration I might go through and timestamp each segment.

[@lil_nameless59]

1:17:15 this take aged well 💀💀

[@mcgurkryans]

1:39:20... Bill's iPad code: 599382... what's the significance people??

[@millhousemillard2140]

It wasn't Delbert Grady with the "great party" line

[@Zannathin]

Being There is the apex of caretaker movies.

[@GymAndSun]

Hilarious *from the jump*

[@jonathanmcsweeney1983]

Why did they change the room from 217 to 237? I don't understand the explanation.

[@knownpleasures]

Room 217 is a real room in the hotel . Room 237 is not .

[@evanlol22]

“No Twin Peaks without The Shining” is absolute blasphemy

[@mrmike616]

No Lynch without the Shining.😂

[@nikolatesla5553]

I never cared for this movie. I loved the book however. Not really a fan of Kubrick even though I admire the visuals in his movies. It's weird. I almost found this movie boring and yet I can picture so many images from the movie. Like right from the start of them driving to the Overlook Hotel. It was brilliant to use the Going to the Sun Road in Glacier National Park. The Timberline Hotel was a great pick for the exterior. And the maze was spectacular.

[@brotherdandy]

Stephen King said that those who "Shine" suffered some form of abuse as children. It's the way the Losers' Club was able to defeat Pennywise was through their shared psychic bond. Also in room 237 a wealthy woman was murdered by her young lover by drowning. Her spirit haunts the room in her dead form.

[@davbooms]

The book says the lady from room 237/217 killed herself by cutting her wrists after being abandoned by her young lover

[@eddiewinehosen6665]

"Can one run out of tears?" Ofc you can, ever heard of dehydration, Sean?

[@arisjatmika]

I LOOOVVVEEE THIS MOVIE DOCTOR SLEEP! SO SCARY! AMAZING! I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT CHAPTER! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😃😃😃🏆🏆🏆

[@mbcasale]

little late to the game, but how is danny tricycling around the hotel not at least in contention for the best scene

[@kaboulscabal4816]

I guess I'm 4th in here, but yes, do Marathon Man. Is it safe? *Is* it safe???

[@jankarlsson8341]

Are those electro-voice mics?

[@bbqnetwork8536]

When is the Fletch episode

[@rileydonahue2814]

Hall of fame for Chris Ryan impressions

[@petertownsend4209]

I think the real difference between the film and the book and perhaps a contributing factor as to why King hated the film was because in the book the hotel was an actual character. The overlook was a contributing factor to the downfall of JT, perversely the hotel wanted people to fail and fall apart and damage each other. In the movie it was just a set or a vessel for JN.

[@focalized]

I think with Kubrick films they're more about him having the balls and permission to do something unique rather than being some supernatural genius.

[@blueblackcat]

I saw The shining at age 10 with my parents In Woodbridge New Jersey during a sneak preview release and remembered that the ending seemed like the ending to Friday the 13th which we saw a couple of weeks before The ending was the original in the hospital I’ll never forget this My memory was reinforced by a recent article about the editor that removed the 2 mins and he mentioned of all places the theater he went to of all places was in New Jersey

[@marquisdaily7715]

1:39:20 I think Bill’s pin code is 599291 😅

[@MH-lz3gp]

the big 3... love it

[@InTheBannerOvShadows]

The Shinnin’ from Simpsons prepared me for The Shining

[@Nate-im3sg]

Saving this for myself lol 57:10