The Ship of Theseus Thought Experiment In The Field of Identity Metaphysics
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@mattwho813 жыл бұрын
"Finally a worthy opponent. Our philosophical debates will be legendary!"
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
😂
@ThePathStrider3 жыл бұрын
I think, therefore I _skadoosh._
@anthrax66853 жыл бұрын
Chili dogs
@TheArcher1013 жыл бұрын
Yes they are
@romanllamas55443 жыл бұрын
I understood that reference
@fionnbarrcasey52473 жыл бұрын
Really liked how the direction this fight went. Surprisingly intelligent and not relying on fists to resolve the conflict
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ya , I was wondering if one of them stayed pass through, how the other would kill the other
@dfdffang3 жыл бұрын
White vision got talk-no-justu'd
@ChefinBb3 жыл бұрын
I mean they had a pretty sick brawl before this
@syler1003 жыл бұрын
That’s what happens when the unstopable force meets the unmoveable object. They both surrender.
@Alcool533 жыл бұрын
stfu
@serggg52473 жыл бұрын
Only Vision can end a fight with a thought experiment
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Haha
@morganlasch87503 жыл бұрын
They're both the true Vision
@syler1003 жыл бұрын
@@morganlasch8750 and neither are the true vision. Both were created by scarlet witch’s hex
@gutar56753 жыл бұрын
That's why he was one of my favorite marvel heroes since age of ultron
@theironsmith13 жыл бұрын
I discovered that Wanda may have the best or coolest powers in the whole universe... But Vision is so much smarter!!!
@humidpath21043 жыл бұрын
Vision: ayo ship of Theseus? White Vision: Understandable, have a nice day
@lucysteel26863 жыл бұрын
It do be like that sometimes
@thetalisman9633 жыл бұрын
Lolol
@Azami00013 жыл бұрын
One of things I enjoyed about this fight is that it went from action to philosophical.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ya
@mahdinerd3 жыл бұрын
Those are the origins of misunderstanding , reason of every fight is disagreement , AIs are so intelligent that can negotiate and come to understating.
@nicocrestmere96883 жыл бұрын
Yeah man most of my late night drinking debates with me mates does the reverse.
@46chambersoflife2 жыл бұрын
intelligence over brute force is logical at this point
@nickcarson42673 жыл бұрын
Wanda Vs Agatha: throw cgi balls at each other. Vision vs Vision: “the ship of Theseus?” “Go on.”
@randoviewer93633 жыл бұрын
Average CGI fight fan Vs Average "Theseus' ship" philosophy enjoyer
@Rvndreji19983 жыл бұрын
Anyway better than dc's cgi shits
@randoviewer93633 жыл бұрын
@@Rvndreji1998 here comes the "marvel is superior" fan 🙄
@Forknitegriddleriddy3 жыл бұрын
@@randoviewer9363 i mean... dc made batman v superman so...
@46chambersoflife2 жыл бұрын
they also chose jared leto as the joker......................
@mateoalmandos21313 жыл бұрын
One of the best fights in the MCU
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
😂😂ya
@flabio70743 жыл бұрын
The bast marvel fights are the ones without much fighting. Vision vs. Vision. Dr. Strange vs. Dormammu. Thanos vs. Loki. These are the most memorable.
@jodyboles82083 жыл бұрын
@@flabio7074 the last two werent even fights though. loki tries to stab him failing completely and then get his neck snapped. Doctor strange just dies over and over until dorm grows tired of it. There has to be actual conflict to be a fight. Just saying
@firstlast98463 жыл бұрын
Reminded me of Man of Steel tbh
@jesusmora93793 жыл бұрын
@@flabio7074 vision vs ultron
@halkras3 жыл бұрын
he basically says "you are his body and i am his soul,if I give myself to you,we will become "true vision" "
@Alcool533 жыл бұрын
no shit
@redblade55563 жыл бұрын
@Pro Token420 (nose starts to bleed)
@mccarthy58253 жыл бұрын
@Pro Token420 I was going to comment on the OP post but I just want to say thank you for your wonderful reply and I actually said 'wow' out loud. You have a way with words and a fine, keen mind. All the best from 🇮🇪
@RealKaukus3 жыл бұрын
No.. that’s abso- fkn lutely NOT what it means… wtf
@mccarthy58253 жыл бұрын
@@RealKaukus well then put your money where your mouth is and tell us what it means... I expect a great discourse in identity theory, metaphysical discussion and breaking down of the classical id, ego and super ego. I'm sure you will smash Freudian/Jungian ideas and a heavy slice of gold that at least takes reference from Socrates and Plato of course. I'm sure your wonderful theory will shatter ideas of the Anima/Animus and open our eyes finally.... Sooooo instead of making a statement like that... What ya got to back it up???? 🤔
@Nimbus8111043 жыл бұрын
Paul Bethany owns every shot he's in, he deliver this scene in such an amazing way. It just pulls at you.
@sunscream85023 жыл бұрын
his delivery of dialogue and the way of delivering it and his voice, accent, facial movements and what not wtf
@danieltobin44983 жыл бұрын
He was so underrated before, this show finally gave him his chance to show his acting skills
@bobertjohnson44593 жыл бұрын
Wanda vs. Agatha: “Big CGI fight scene comin’ up!” Visions: b o a t
@thetalisman9633 жыл бұрын
This was so comic accurate because Vision would absolutely win his battle with wits and reasoning. This was my favorite scene of the show.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Whole internet in his brain
@Cometstarlight3 жыл бұрын
“I am Vision.” *crashes face first through the skylight* Uhh, you do remember you can phase, right?
@MotorCityPhoenix3133 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 He was shaken lol
@xl69413 жыл бұрын
lol
@DLxxx3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, he was still reeling from the revelation.
@anonymoususer6383 жыл бұрын
Well, he almost did the same thing when he was first created
@antonioharris83543 жыл бұрын
The Vision fight is the best fight scene I've seen in years. Defeating an opponent with words instead of blowing up hundreds of buildings
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ya
@krey46083 жыл бұрын
Lmao they did destroy a car and a library
@GauravYadav-bf7qj2 жыл бұрын
Depends who your opponent is
@papadwarf39532 жыл бұрын
You should watch naruto
@viniciusgrosse19582 жыл бұрын
@@papadwarf3953 That's what I thought
@umbraemilitos3 жыл бұрын
This honestly has a classic Star Trek quality to it. Weapons doing battle, and a conflict resolved by philosophy.
@Stoirelius3 жыл бұрын
I never cared about Star Trek, but now I’m curious.
@umbraemilitos3 жыл бұрын
@@Stoirelius The original series, and Next Generation resolved more problems with a logical review of the situation than they did through over the top action scenes. I hope Star Trek returns to that someday.
@brylidan3 жыл бұрын
@@umbraemilitos say no more, i'll give it a watch
@ag35753 жыл бұрын
This is the most Next Generation kind of scene in sci-fi since the Next Generation ended, 10/10
@SA-pt3kv3 жыл бұрын
The Klingon way indeed lol
@drewhessler46983 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice the change in how white visions voice sounds when he says "I am vision" ?
@DavisPickle20043 жыл бұрын
I heard it :D
@romanllamas55443 жыл бұрын
His eyes change as well
@pmalihamahpara23272 жыл бұрын
When he says I'm vision, he sounds like vision. And his eyes change back to IG vision eyes
@barbathor78453 жыл бұрын
When both players picked the same character in a fighting game
@cameronlapage73863 жыл бұрын
"But I am not the true Vision. I am a conditional Vision." *SPEECH 100*
@theelephantintheroom693 жыл бұрын
Refreshing fight sequence for a superhero universe. We saw enough of them fighting each other and it would've gone on forever if Wanda never opened the Hex, so having them fight with brains was refreshing.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
I wonder without the mindstone, can wanda defeat the white vision I think not
@DLxxx3 жыл бұрын
@@WhatsAppVideosGallery That's something I was wondering too. She'd wreck Vision normally, but that's only cause she can use her telepathy to exploit the mindstone. Without that, she'd have to overpower him directly, and while she's stronger than him (after all, she did overpower Thanos, and he was a tank), his ability to phase would make it very tricky.
@46chambersoflife2 жыл бұрын
isnt wanda a mutant? she really didnt have a mind stone, she was doused in the presence of it and it amplified her abilities to greater heights that noone expected, and she became so powerful she can create life and alter death of beings in her reality which makes her the most powerful being in the mcu...cant wait for dr. strange multiverse of madness
@MelianLimGachaVideos2 жыл бұрын
@@46chambersoflife No. She isn’t a mutant. She is an enhanced like Steve Rogers or Bruce Banner. And if you’re talking about that she already had powers since she was a kid, it’s because she’s a witch like Agatha. Don’t tell me that Agatha is a mutant as well. As revealed in Ms. Marvel [SPOILERS], Kamala essentially became the first Mutant in the MCU.
@46chambersoflife2 жыл бұрын
@@MelianLimGachaVideos agartha is a super mutant
@angrykumu81473 жыл бұрын
I love how at 0:50 the books in the background of Hex vision are all untouched/unharmed, but the background for white vision shows all the books destroyed. To me it sublimally shows how Hex Visions intelligence, though superior, isn't worn down like the wood in the ship of Theseus. Hex Vision doesn't have the memories like White Vision does, therefore revealing through the destroyed background that White Vision holds the identity of the true Vision that's being kept from him. The fact that this whole thing was done in a library is the most Vision thing ever.
@alternateperez40863 жыл бұрын
Are you stupid? There's scenes where books are untouched as well with white vision moron
@dsdy12053 жыл бұрын
@@alternateperez4086 Here's how your statement could have looked if you weren't a complete dick: "There are scenes where booked are untouched behind white vision as well". See how much nicer that sounds?
@battycreas33 жыл бұрын
so fitting that this fight scene takes place in a library, as knowledge truly won the fight
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@thedarkside46103 жыл бұрын
Pure poetry (Not trying to sound cheesy)
@46chambersoflife2 жыл бұрын
yo didnt even catch that...nice
@darthkek19533 жыл бұрын
Cutting the "may I?" was a baaaaad move.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I kept only the things necessary for the thought experiment part 😀
@gfyGoogle3 жыл бұрын
@@WhatsAppVideosGallery but you do have the data
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
But it is merely being kept from you 😂😂
@mattwho813 жыл бұрын
As fans, our memories are not so easily wiped.
@arjunverma81723 жыл бұрын
I'm comment *Flies out through the window*
@user-lh3ic7ym8h3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing with the little details that Marvel puts into their media. If you noticed, before White Vision is given the memories of the Original Vision, his eyes are ice blue and appear lifelike. When he receives the memories, his eyes change to an eye that belongs to a living being, signifying his understanding and growing of humanity.
@alternateperez40863 жыл бұрын
How's that a "little detail" they made it obvious for the audience, to the point it was highlighted for a few seconds you moron
@user-lh3ic7ym8h3 жыл бұрын
@@alternateperez4086 Yay. Thanks for reminding me never to express an opinion on the internet. Nor should I never praise something I think is good because there will always be self-righteous idiots who think that *everyone* MUST think the same way as them and MUST see everything that they see otherwise they're bumbling idiots who don't deserve an opinion. Thanks for reminding me of that all you jackass.
@user-lh3ic7ym8h3 жыл бұрын
@@alternateperez4086 And by the way, moron. Little details don't mean it doesn't go fucking unnoticed. It means that they're small details that enhance the story. Their entire existence helps elevate the story because the writers were able to think down to even the smallest thing to help make the story more impressive. Learn what small details entail, moron.
@GetTheCornNuts3 жыл бұрын
@@user-lh3ic7ym8h not only that but when he says "I am Vision" he no longer has the augmented robotic voice and sounds more human as well.
@haldosprime38963 жыл бұрын
As soon as I heard “ship of Theseus” my head popped. Such a great, and thematically on point topic for the moment.
@orichen54093 жыл бұрын
“Why are you doing this?” “Because my master told me to. King dragon sends his regards..”
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
I didn't get it
@orichen54093 жыл бұрын
@@WhatsAppVideosGallery at the start of the video vision asks him “why are you doing this?” And his answer is basically “because my master told me to” so that reminded me of that prozd sketch.
@jayvee43213 жыл бұрын
ARCHIBALD NO
@TheQhas3 жыл бұрын
I dodged 1000 lightning bolts for your ultimate weapon.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know about that tho
@raiden4ever553 жыл бұрын
No bullshit, this is one of the best moments in the entire MCU.
@GiangNguyen-ho5st3 жыл бұрын
When Wanda white Vision again: My name is Vision. I'm the android sent by Stark Industries. My predecessor was unfortunately destroyed, but he transferred his memory and sent me to replace him. This incident should not affect our relationship.
@carlosortegaart3 жыл бұрын
LOL "this incident should not affect our relationship" thats perfect thats totally a vision-y line
@christianvannucci64553 жыл бұрын
@@carlosortegaart It's also a Detroit: Become Human reference lol Everly time Connor, an android tasked to hunt down rogue androids, dies, a new one appears and says a similar frase, but change name and some words. He retains memories and is a perfect copy, but it affects the story in interesting ways
@123videos4563 жыл бұрын
But Hex Vision(HV) didn’t transfer his memories to White Vision(WV). HV told WV that the reason WV doesn’t remember who he is was because his memories are being blocked from him but the data was inside him all along. HV helped WV unlock the memory data that was inside himself the whole time.
@Influx273 жыл бұрын
I love this is how the series ended. This is an ending that will stick with you, not the forgettable punch ups that so many other movies prefer.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Yea
@xl69413 жыл бұрын
script writers outdid themselves
@tred62923 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait until the next time we see Vanilla Vision in the MCU!!!
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Me2
@briansilva33443 жыл бұрын
But what if he destroys himself? His programming states he must destroy the Vision
@absolutemadlad56623 жыл бұрын
I heard he's getting his own series at some point
@brylidan3 жыл бұрын
@@absolutemadlad5662 wanda & white vision
@patrickellis26263 жыл бұрын
@Brian Silva then you will hear many times..." Why does gotta be white?"
@DarkSide.6663 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong, by doing this the “fake” vision, who has all the memories but only exists inside the simulation, passed the data to the “real” one who does exist in the reality outside the simulation, and creating one vision without the mind stone, like it was supposed to in Infinity War.
@jamalalerch70323 жыл бұрын
No, hex vision unlocked white visions memories that were blocked.
@Loublud3 жыл бұрын
No, the hex vision only has the memories from the point Wanda created him, and only the love for Wanda and not his own death, up until later on he finds out from others that he was killed by Thanos a few years back. The white vision is the real vision with the real memories, and the memories was being kept from him in order to only have the goal of destroying the hex.
@juanin2002 жыл бұрын
Hex Vision didn't have any memories, but he could unlock Vision's memories
@fangsabre3 жыл бұрын
I love that White Vision is working on programming at first, but because he is a synthezoid millions of times more complex than whatever programming SWORD could come up with he can stop and re analyze the parameters of his own programming, and that his own will is more powerful than anything meant to control him. And at his core, he is still Vision. And violence for no other reason than someone else's orders is not something he does
@siddharth_07713 жыл бұрын
This actually felt like two highly intelligent AI are fighting.
@jameskirk85393 жыл бұрын
This is why Marvel is formidable they always get the science and technology right. And always use intelligence to tell there stories. How many people looked up the ship of Theseus after this show. Marvel is just crushing everyone else.
@legolars51223 жыл бұрын
Yeah quantum-this and quantum-that. If they'd get "the science" right Ant Man would constantly create a black holes. But you got a point, ending a CGI battle with a philosophical debate is a nice, intelligent solution.
@sylvierosehaywood98813 жыл бұрын
I loved mythos before, but I so see your point. I adore the intelligence in this video and come back to it often.
@pattycake5203 жыл бұрын
@@legolars5122 Wouldn't those black holes be so microscopically small that their life span ended before causing any notable damage? Perhaps he does create those black holes, but their size makes them inconsequential?
@deskryptic3 жыл бұрын
yeah I was skeptical about this phase but everyone of the shows has a fresh angle and style that keeps pushing some envelope. This scene was the highlight of the final episode (even over Wanda's dope costume).
@alaluv9505 Жыл бұрын
So how is antman able to ride a bee while still weighting 80 kg if Marvel always gets science "right" ? 😏
@Chronohome3 жыл бұрын
Warner Bros: We have the more thoughtful, philosophical, adult comic book universe. Kevin Feige: *Laughs in Theseus*
@deez_nuts_773 жыл бұрын
everyone seems to think hex vision gave white vision the memories but from what hex vision says, it is my understanding that white vision already had all those memories as hidden data, and hex vision simply allowed him to access it
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ya
@mentalexwar3 жыл бұрын
I love how vision always goes the philosophical route when against other androids (end of age of ultron) (this fight) proving he’s way more human than synthezoid
@ShadowSonic23 жыл бұрын
He was also the only one of the Avengers in Civil War who had the theory that maybe Supervillains are in reaction to Superheroes and not vice-versa. That's kind of a thing comics tend to avoid talking about.
@beachtrooper58843 жыл бұрын
Poe: somehow, palpatine returned The entire ST fandom: 0:20
@TheArcher1013 жыл бұрын
*SW
@sanstheelumbu2 жыл бұрын
star trek fandom ?? lol
@power133 жыл бұрын
Who needs fists when you have Ph.D in philosophy
@deskryptic3 жыл бұрын
genius! if only in real life...
@dodoria193 жыл бұрын
You know you are old when while watching a flashy fight you get excited when it turns conversational.
@haagenneldeberg67873 жыл бұрын
So true. It's weird. This was literally the best part of their fight to me.
@dodoria193 жыл бұрын
@@haagenneldeberg6787 When he said "I request elaboration" I was OMG OMG OMG
@gazi4273 жыл бұрын
Wanda fight: magic stuff Vision fight: *lets have conversation*
@Omega_Prime73 жыл бұрын
LOVED THIS PART THE BEST👌
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ya I like thought experiments
@Omega_Prime73 жыл бұрын
@@WhatsAppVideosGallery "Naturally."👌
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ya😂
@pigglesgoomshby72493 жыл бұрын
The virgin CGI witch fight Vs The chad theoretical metaphysics debate regarding one’s existence
@andrewzapata98193 жыл бұрын
I feel like we’ll see white vision again. Since he has his memory back I guess we have the original vision back and I guess he could change back into his regular colors.
@GetTheCornNuts3 жыл бұрын
For sure this White Vision will be the main Vision of the MCU going forward.
@alecjones46763 жыл бұрын
This is actually true for any living cell in homeostasis with it's environment. Including the cells that make up your own body. The only things we carry over from one moment in time to the next are genes, teeth, memories, and scars.
@juggernaut61413 жыл бұрын
We are memories. Not flesh. Our bodies may not be the same as it was but nervous cells cannot be replaced.
@alecjones46763 жыл бұрын
@@juggernaut6141 True but the contents of those cells are constantly turning over, which might as well be the same thing
@andrewbridges35683 жыл бұрын
At the very end I was just thinking how the concept of the ship of Theseus could be applied to the idea of the singularity. Let's say that one day we can upload our minds just before our bodies fail, what does that then mean for who or what we are. If the idea is that we are constantly the ship of Theseus as our bodies metabolize and change and our atoms are replaced, then what would it mean if the ridiculous connectivity of our brain is shifted from a completely different structure to a completely different material and organization, are we then even close to anything like the ship of Theseus?
@46chambersoflife2 жыл бұрын
lets upload our conciousness to a computer and find out.....sure we may think its a smooth transition from an organic body to a digital platform right before we die so we can live forever, but our question would be can we apply the ship of theseus to consciousness? since consciousness isnt really matter at all. does that apply to a non tangable concept? such as our soul? in the future we may have to merge our consciousness to AI in order to preserve human kind, wether we like it or not.....hell...in the future AI might be like wifi...just a signal that we can tap into. what would the use of limited bodies be useful then? evolution is a big player in this universe...cant deny entropy
@capnsalt71023 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best part of the finale, which isn't really saying much but it was still great
@pendrake403 жыл бұрын
Some explanation &/or clarification for those that may not understand the 'Ship of Theseus' metaphysical thought experiment, and this 'Vision Debate' scene... *:)* 1. *_The Ship of Theseus_* (the answer) *~* The "answer" (note "quotations") to this Metaphysical Thought Experiment is actually pretty easy, the answer lies in its base description... - a.) [0:19] *"Meta-Physical Thought Experiment" ~* 'Meta'-Physical... 'Meta-' meaning 'beyond'. Thus, Meta-Physical = 'beyond the physical'. - b.) *The True Ship ~* So the answer to the "true" (again, note "quotations") Ship of Theseus lies *NOT* with the _Physical_ construct of either ship, original planks or replaced planks, but rather in the _Mental_ concept, memory, &/or belief of the Ship of Theseus. The Physical construct simply provides the tangible touchstone from which the Mental concept is formed and maintained. - c.) *Alternate 'Ship' Example ~* As an alternate example how the Mental concept/image gives _Identity Permanence,_ take either the *Statue of Liberty* or the *Eiffel Tower.* Either/both iconic landmark-structures are globally known and recognized. Both structures have undergone extensive repairs/replacement of their structural components. Likewise, the design of the structures are well documented and recorded. So even if either/both structures were (gods forbid) completely destroyed, both structures could be completely rebuilt to exacting detail(s), and both would still be accepted as the Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty. - d.) *TL;DR ~* The "true" Ship of Theseus exists in your head, because you remember it, believe in it, and continue to build (&/or re-build) it. *;)* 2. *_"Neither is the true ship. Both are the true ship."_** ~* So, to clarify the 'Vision Debate'... - a.) *Hex Vision ~* Hex Vision represents the _Mental_ (thought & belief) aspect/concept of the Ship of Theseus, albeit manifested into physical form from Wanda's power, memories, and Love of (original-)Vision. ([0:12] _"But I'm not the true Vision, only a conditional Vision.")_ - b.) *White Vision ~* The "hard" _Physical_ aspect of Vision, rebuilt from (original-)Vision's remains; but lacking the memories and emotional bond(s) with those memories, and corrupted by the _"rot"_ of S.W.O.R.D.'s overriding program-directive. Likewise, White Vision acknowledges that he does not have the conviction of belief in his (their?) identity as Hex Vision does/had. ([1:27] _"But certainly you are the true Vision, for you _*_>believe
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, I think I need to change the name 😂
@onyxsky23043 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think in the MCU wanda will start over again, with white vision. Knowing what he knows and what she knows, it would be nice to think that they could start things over again, truly settle down out of the lime light.
@pendrake403 жыл бұрын
@@onyxsky2304 ~ That depends upon several factors... 1. *_Via Marvel Comics' history_** ~* If following the Marvel Comics' history & current affairs... - a.) As said in my initial Comment, in the comics, Wanda and Vision would never recover their romantic relationship & marriage again, even after (White) Vision would regain his memory-data (but *NOT* the emotional bonds to those memories) and traditional colors. This was shown (in-comics) by two separate attempts across the (comics-)years to re-kindle their relationship, and both Wanda and Vision found it was neither the same, nor working out between them. - b.) Wanda would have several other romantic relationships after Vision (serious ones, not just casual ones &/or flings), to reinforce that Wanda had moved on from Vision. Though Wanda would experience a full-on psychotic break into insanity and try to force an in-comics faux-Reboot of her marriage and family via her out-of-control powers & magicks (see: Avengers Disassembled and House of M comics-events). - c.) Currently (as of year 2020), Wanda is in a committed (romantic) relationship with fellow sorcerer & Avenger team-member, Doctor Voodoo (Dr. Jericho Drumm). 2. *_What If..?_** ~* Moving into speculation territory (so take this with a grain of salt... *;)* ), how the MCU will handle Wanda & Vision, post-WandaVision, depends upon whether they add certain/specific characters from Marvel Comics to the MCU... - a.) *Simon Williams (Wonder Man) ~* A long-standing, on-&-off, romantic relationship in Marvel Comics, a [Wanda + Williams] route would be a strong contender for Wanda's affections and moving past Vision. However, the MCU producers and writers have been very 'iffy' on whether to add Williams to the MCU, due to Williams' character-history not having particularly good values (ethical, moral, political, etc.). - b.) *Dr. Jericho Drumm (Doctor Voodoo) ~* As mentioned previously, Drumm is Wanda's current boyfriend in Marvel Comics. If the MCU decides to add Doctor Voodoo (possibly via the coming 'Doctor Strange & the Multiverse of Madness'?), then it can be a pretty good wager that will follow-up with matching the Marvel Comics romantic relationship of [Wanda + Drumm]. 3. *_Personally_** ~* One of my particular memorable and lamented romantic angles was [Wanda Maximoff + Steve Rogers]. I always thought this romance was a good mix for both characters, in terms themes and personalities. I would have liked to see this romantic angle more developed, and gone on longer. Sadly, the timing of things resulted in this romance angle getting scrapped with the 'Avengers Disassembled' and 'House of M' events. *:(*
@onyxsky23043 жыл бұрын
@@pendrake40 everything you just said has me more interested in what's to come for Wanda and Vision
@ejmaneja58543 жыл бұрын
Hmm... Could it be possible for Wanda to somewhat restore the emotions of vision? Since her powers came from the mind stone and Vision's programming and thought came directly from the mind stone and knowing how Wanda got her powers in this universe, is it possible?
@ysgramornorris24522 жыл бұрын
This show blew my mind in so many ways. This debate is one of them. Oh, and also, Vision's back online! That's a plus!
@oekmama3 жыл бұрын
Hex-Vision vs White Vision = Mind vs Body
@goutham62483 жыл бұрын
I heard Ultron when he said " a weapon to be more easily synthesized" Am I the only one?
@whattheworldsneedswhatneed7743 жыл бұрын
This is the most best part in wonda vision. I had to watch this part over n over to understand. This philosopher intelligence, this is to amazing, the atmosphere of 2 visions talks in riddles of philosophy. But people please explain it to me better?.
@TheRealZachHadel3 жыл бұрын
Basically, when thinking of how we identify something is the thing itself just the materials it's made of or the form those materials take? As a fire burns off the gas it is made of it still retains the same form that we identify as the flame. The water in a river is constantly flowing and being replaced with new water, but it's still the same river. As we grow, our bodies are constantly dying at the molecular level and being built upon by new cells, yet we still identify with the children we were even though we are quiet literally a separate physical entity from them. A form is a concept, its a means of identifying something, its the relationship between individual constituents, like the Kanisza Triangle. It's not physical on its own, its metaphysical as in being meta to physical things, it's not a thing in and of itself but its still real. I don't believe in souls but I think this is as far as something real can get to being one.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@HighLordBlazeReborn3 жыл бұрын
Took WV just over a minute of conversation to work out he was being used. Most folks would need a movie's worth of events to help realize that. Hell, it took Tony multiple movies to figure out Zemo was using him.
@inazuma3gou3 жыл бұрын
White Vision is a PC that just had an OS update without data back up, but its data could be restored because of disk partition. Hex Vision is an instance of the Vision class simulated on Wanda Cloud.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Cloud drive saves the day
@maxdowker87663 жыл бұрын
Virgin cgi fight Chad Philosophical debate
@MannyKunV3 жыл бұрын
2:03 he went to get those coffee grains out of the sink
@kaeaedwin79373 жыл бұрын
Nice callbacks, perhaps he’s just waiting for Wanda comeback and he’ll cook Paprika
@akhilchauhan94173 жыл бұрын
I am Vision **Initiating Self-destruct** _Do Not! Self-destruct_
@mrderpy49393 жыл бұрын
i understood that reference
@seanyee78503 жыл бұрын
This is the way
@gabrielborre63963 жыл бұрын
This is the way
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
I didn't get that
@shahiraautoshee18023 жыл бұрын
This is the way
@46chambersoflife2 жыл бұрын
the difference between a debate and a discussion ladies and gentlemen. this is maturity at its finest. wish everyone knew this
@Dzazzters3 жыл бұрын
The two vision: The Ship Of Theseus Guy with no brain bout philosophy: WTF ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
They say vision is technically connected to everything and also Jarvis and Ultron are very intelligent
@bryanyap38883 жыл бұрын
It's essentially the same as replacing the stick on the broom turns the broom to a new broom or its still the same
@sumbody6943 жыл бұрын
The breakdown is like this: Are you still the original object made even after replacing parts of you that are no longer the original. For example your own body replaces every single cell in your body every 7 years or so meaning that you are literally not the same you every 7 years or so of your life. But even with that being the truth you still retain memories of your past as well as things like scars and other momentos to remind you of who you are. This is the same thing as the boat explanation, is it still a boat even after having all sorts of original parts removed and replaced. You are not supposed to be able to straight up answer this question and that is why the remade vision rocketed away in confusion so he could ponder the meaning of the thought experiment as well as explore the memories he was given access too. I would imagine being a super powerful computer he registered all the info instantly and was overcome by the emotion of all of it.
@SSDavyS3 жыл бұрын
i am very smart :s so smart they are thinking i might even be smarter than professor hawking. thus very smart xD but i dont know everything ofcours and i had to look this up :) i always am a big fan to the intellectuals in games/movies/series etc. soon il have an IQ test :) you'l see :D
@teod12983 жыл бұрын
Wow, even though they blatantly explain what they're talking about?
@tomcut91903 жыл бұрын
Such a great scene, this show made Vision one of my favs
@Austin_Triebe3 жыл бұрын
Neither is really the “true” Vision. One is a magical construct created from Wanda’s memory of Vision, and the other one is just his reanimated corpse. While White Vision was given Vision’s memories by the construct Vision, that doesn’t mean he suddenly became Vision again. He’s a completely new entity that has the real/original’s memories.
@Garfie4893 жыл бұрын
Admittedly havent watched the series - which one is which?
@josephgriffiths91513 жыл бұрын
@@Garfie489 the green Vision is the construct created by Wanda - physically not containing even a single atom of the original but with all the same thoughts and memories and personality. The white Vision is the body of the original which has been reanimated and reprogrammed - physically he's the original (with a new colour scheme) but mentally he's a blank slate.
@giuseppepapaleo30303 жыл бұрын
Both are
@Stoirelius3 жыл бұрын
You don’t get the point.
@calvinhenry91553 жыл бұрын
You really are a special kind of stupid . They tell you literally in this scene . They’re both the true vision, dumb ass
@paulodetarso31983 жыл бұрын
The music in all scene its fantastic and beautiful!
@nicotipro23 жыл бұрын
so now we have an op scarlet witch , a white vision and a new captain america ,i love this new weird lineup!
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Scarlett witch will fall in love with the white one maybe
@iagoluiz84673 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the Westview Vision, I saw him and heard him act and speak a lot like normal sitcom husbands. Really took some Character Development to act like the Vision we know. And enough to ensure the White Vision would become our Vision.
@LeedleLee4573 жыл бұрын
It's like teleporters in Star Trek. Your body is destroyed, and new atoms will create a new body with your memories. To the old you, you died. To the new you, it was teleportation. But is the new you still you? Do your memories make up the entirety of who you are?
@moonbow75903 жыл бұрын
But the teleporter doesn’t destroy/create atoms, it converts you into an energy pattern and reconverts you back into matter. There was an episode where a transporter malfunction happened, and a memory file of the person’s pattern was used to get them back into themselves. I think once on TNG and then again on VOY?
@thomasbenito2742 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Courier vs Legate Lanius in Fallout NV. When you've attained maximum Speech in confronting him, you'll win the fight with no bloodshed.
@techsupport56373 жыл бұрын
I request more Elaboration...
@naturemage23 жыл бұрын
Agatha: "I have a theory, but I need more...."
@surfn_nerd94023 жыл бұрын
1:07 Vision is the best
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ya
@fidgetthescout91423 жыл бұрын
Vision wins with facts and logic
@CarlosSuperCute3 жыл бұрын
The human body replaces its cells anew every 7 years. So am i still the same person if all my body cells are different (new & fresh) than it was 7 years ago.
@AL-HD3 жыл бұрын
I honestly thought in the last episode after the red vision disappear that wanda we'll find white vision because he has ...his memories basically
@hensonjefd86813 жыл бұрын
I mean think about all the information that white vision just received. I looked at it as he probably needs time to process it all. Going straight to wanda wouldn't have been the right move writing wise I think.
@SerPounce233 жыл бұрын
'I am Vision'- leaves the woman he loves in a life threatening situation...
@12classics393 ай бұрын
He has the memories, but no emotional connection to them. He also probably just needs some time to process everything.
@cend23623 жыл бұрын
another example of why building ai is dangerous. it might get self-conscious. i thought this was a nod back to the debate between nick and tony.
@alegria18133 жыл бұрын
They're even in a library I can't lmao
@adambennett96883 жыл бұрын
This leaves me to wonder. Has vision truly been brought back or is the body inhabited by something new? A new vision not to different from the original but also a completely different consciousness with new and different wants and desires and hates and loves? I don't want to set my mind on anything because I can't stand theorists who don't actually know anything and get me expecting things that I will never actually see.
@Iwondisgame3 жыл бұрын
So basically, Vision IS back and has all the memories however he lacks emotion and does not have any feelings towards anything or anyone
@adambennett96883 жыл бұрын
@@Iwondisgame as I said I like to question the series and speculate on my own and others theories. But I don't enjoy fans stating theories as fact even tho they actually know nothing. I'm not saying your wrong and I'm not trying to be a dick but u shouldn't state your speculation as fact as it makes you look daft and it makes everyone else feel disappointed when you turn out to be wrong. Like when everyone was saying that mephisto would appear in wandavision and he never did.
@randomguys23 жыл бұрын
@@adambennett9688 the following is ofcourse an opinion, purely for discussion, not a factual statement. If I recall correctly, during Infinity war, there was a conversation between some of the avengers about Vision's ties to the mind stone. The reason they tried to remove it in the first place was they believed he was more than just the mind stone, and that losing it would preserve some/most of who he has become (if I recall the events correctly). My theory is that white Vision flew off to go deal with the ressurgence of memories he experienced, and what they mean for him/his directive of "destroy the Vision". I believe this really is Vision. He was the restored ship, and now has his "rot" returned. He even retained the memories of the mind stone shattering. Question now is how does he deal with his memories returning?
@adambennett96883 жыл бұрын
@@randomguys2 I think this is a decent theory and a prime example of how we should all view this series
@randomguys23 жыл бұрын
@@adambennett9688 Im flattered.
@SourRobo83643 жыл бұрын
Dr Who: If you have a broom, and replace the handle, then the brush, is it still the same broom?
@GRIFFINds3 жыл бұрын
Triggers broom
@DarklyDepressed3 жыл бұрын
@@GRIFFINds I understood that reference.
@slow_dawn74073 жыл бұрын
half with mind(memory) and no body, the other half with body and no mind(memory)... It makes me sad when the white Vision announced himself Vision, The other vision will be gone since now he becomes literally vision.
@TJSaw3 жыл бұрын
The greatest battle in the history of the MCU.
@LoopDosDividendos3 жыл бұрын
For me, the best part of the series
@toddbarney20943 жыл бұрын
I would love to know where he went afterwards
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Probably to Wakanda
@jxh_exe3 жыл бұрын
Probably to Wakanda becauee Shuri had saved his memories there
@syedsaadathasan39603 жыл бұрын
To wakanda because his final memory is of thanos taking it from the top 😂 and he don't know whatever has happened in 5 years thinking the fight is still going on
@MelkofficialYT3 жыл бұрын
This is how the Fight with Ultron would have been like if he didn't act like a human being
@selder_73 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved this scene
@ChristinaMagma3 жыл бұрын
Loved this scene, the writing was brilliant
@Shiggystardust3 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy how much his appearance changes when his eyes become human
@bmvi41403 жыл бұрын
1:02 How is this not a meme yet?!
@adamlassiter12964 ай бұрын
3 years ago, this is where the end of endgame began. Time has a funny way of showing you what must be done. The Ship of Theseus.
@ishirotanaka3 жыл бұрын
They should have had Wanda’s Vision and White Vision merge together so that way, he would still be with her.
@tardarsauce33553 жыл бұрын
When the thought experiment is more epic than the lasers and super strength
@teddyoshirak46283 жыл бұрын
I thought this fight would end with white vision killing himself once they both came to the conclusion that he was the true vision. I’m glad it didn’t end that way. It would’ve been too predictable.
@gavinperry84333 жыл бұрын
The amount of people of searched for the ship of thesus debate is ridiculous..... Marvel holds some insane influence
@gavinperry84333 жыл бұрын
@KiroTheAssassin congratulations
@gavinperry84333 жыл бұрын
@KiroTheAssassin that's ok
@gutar56753 жыл бұрын
But with the memories and without the infinity stone, is he the true ship? I think there will be a plot here where wanda will have to do something to make vision the true vision, whether it be sacrificing herself or some of her powers.
@deskryptic3 жыл бұрын
the plot thing will be...she love him, but he don't love her back (confused cause no emotions)....till she about to blow up the multiverse and he remember and call out "babe"...
@sebastianemond53135 ай бұрын
And with that, we never saw White Vision again.
@kajetankesicki80112 жыл бұрын
Paul Bethany changed his facial expressions in White Vision so much that initially I thought it's different actor. That's the true actorship.
@Awfulwriter3 жыл бұрын
If a broom is given 17 new heads and 14 new handles in its life span, is it still the same broom?
@TheRealZachHadel3 жыл бұрын
Why those numbers specifically
@horridhenry83423 жыл бұрын
Neither is the true broom both are the true broom
@kira-yq9fn2 жыл бұрын
I like how white vision said "natrualy" Exactly how real bision said that about their marriage song
@Joseph-yh8gn3 жыл бұрын
Sort of disappointed that White Vision just goes "Adios" and is never seen or heard of for the rest of the show.
@GetTheCornNuts3 жыл бұрын
In his defence, this was the last episode. Plus we are definitely going to see White Vision moving forward in the MCU.
@aidarjapykeev45442 жыл бұрын
Vision straight said: Talk No Jutsu!
@theilluminatibenefactor2 жыл бұрын
They relied on their brains to solve the fight. Vision is the brightest Avenger AI.
@user-fp1vy3ow6e4 күн бұрын
Wanda: big red cgi balls of death Vision: *existential sounds*
@melissag13643 жыл бұрын
I loved this show because loved Vision in the films! They made him so useless after Age of Ultron. Dude can lift Thor’s hammer, is literally made of vibranium and the mind stone, wise beyond his years, not one avenger could mess with him expect Wanda. He became a puppet in the following films. I hope white vision makes an appearance in Falcon & Winter Soldier.
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Falcon and winter Soldier is so bad and boring
@melissag13643 жыл бұрын
@@WhatsAppVideosGallery That’s a bummer to hear. I saw like half of the first episode. Wandavision is way better then?
@WhatsAppVideosGallery3 жыл бұрын
Ofcourse, even the writers of the movie version are angry at what marvel did with the series