The Shocking Truth About Ozempic & The Effects It Has On The Body | Calley Means & Tyna Moore

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Like most things in life, when it comes to optimizing metabolic health, a nuanced perspective can help. Rather than viewing it as a black-and-white issue, we can take into consideration the big-picture social context we’re facing that encourages ultra-processed foods, obesity, and lifelong medication as well as the micro-level of what people are experiencing as individuals and understanding how to help them when all else fails.
Today I’m thrilled to sit down with Dr. Tyna Moore and Calley Means for a grounded discussion that explores both sides of the spectrum, and everything in between.
In this episode, we discuss:
The controversial discussion of GLP-1 agonists like Ozempic, weighing the pros and cons of these new drugs in treating obesity and metabolic crises (3:34)
Challenging the notion of treating obesity with drugs like Ozempic (10:35)
An unsettling revelation about the push for using Ozempic in children (12:04)
Digging deeper into GLP-1 research and some of the benefits (32:51)
Why are children being born metabolically challenged? (41:11)
Dr. Moore’s approach to using peptides with her patients and for her own crippling pain, and what they’ve seen (45:19)
How our current healthcare system lacks policies and support for behavior change (1:27)
While there are always differing views, we know for sure that our food and drug policies aren’t serving the best interests of creating sustainable, empowered health for the masses. I hope you’ll tune in to hear more from this comprehensive and lively discussion.
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[@williamhenry3337]

I am 75 years old and went for my first blood test of my life. My last physical was in 1969. The doctor asked if I smoked. That's it. Didn't ask what I ate, how I slept or if I exercise. I told her I fast and she said "Why would you fast?". No paperwork for the blood test. Just a call saying my cholesterol and LDL are a bit high. It was a joke. Guess I'll wait another 55 years for my next physical.

[@DaveOriginallyfromBrooklyn]

Regular mds are utterly useless. Going for a yearly “ checkup” frankly is a total waste. They test almost nothing. Best to just get your own blood test the. Read it or hire a real knowledgeable person to read it. My wife gets a blood test with 200 markers read by a functional medicine doc. Md said he didn’t know 90% of what the tests meant. That said it all. Func doc caught stuff regular md never knew about.

[@dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669]

Why did you go? Once 93 years old lady came for check up first time , healthy living with her brother, the young primary care doctor told her please go , don’t come back as your health will be ruined, please don’t tell any body I told so . She asked why? He told her will lose my job as my mother medical doctor did ,asked her to resign. True story.

[@dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669]

Medical experts for treating diseases not preventing diseases. This is what they teach in medical schools. This is a fact. We are responsible for our health and safety.

[@williamhenry3337]

I just wanted to establish a doctor of record. At 75 years I have never had a prescription. I still wear a 29" waist jeansike I did when I graduated High School in 1967. Never had acid reflux, headaches, bloating, arthritis or any problems except eye glasses and routine dental work. I feel exactly like I felt when I was 18 years old. I am Apoe2.

[@fawkes1570health]

Let me guess. Your physician was likely overweight.😮

[@RJweblink]

I will be forever thankful to my parents who deprived me and our household of soda growing up.

[@kelleyfrances490]

Coca Cola was a treat I had when I visited my great aunt once in awhile and the only time we really had candy was on Halloween and maybe at the rare movie.

[@hiswords777]

I did this with my girls on soda... They were allowed one on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Most the time they forgot about it because they were not addicted to them because they didn't drink them during the week. Now they don't really drink them much and they are grown and gone.

[@RJweblink]

Furthermore, my dad had me a sip of beer as a child because I was so persistent, I remember how it tasted so bitter and was truly disgusted by it. That's why I never like any form of alcohol now as an adult.

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

Hardly drank any soda and still don't drink it yet have always had a sweet tooth and found almost no correlation between the two

[@destash4you]

Thankful we were too poor to afford those things. Honeysuckle flowers were our candy.

[@maisie6904]

I’m 73 years old - I was in severe constant pain; I couldn’t move my head nor bend. Over 8 years ago diagnosed with chronic severe degenerative arthritis- told “nothing to be done” I Got cervical fusions with titanium etc also lumbar fusions too. I had 2 small strokes & much more that I won’t get into. Decided to change my life - went from keto- eventually to carnivore. I’m so well. The plethora of meds - now in the bin. I no longer take any meds. I walk miles daily. I’m at the best optimal weight ever - and ever so well -- and have been for over 5 years.

[@JoshFost]

So glad to hear this because I just started carnivore about two months ago. Lost nearly 20lbs without trying - though I needed to.

[@Whatareyoudoingwithyourlife]

channel Dr Ken Berry "carnviore for beginners", "carnivore flu", electrolyes' = worth your time. other carnivore channels: Home stead how, kelly hogan, shawn baker md podcast, no carb life, dr chaffee. Carnviore heals the body, brain, immune system!! It WORKS.

[@jazziez6467]

sounds more like you took a bunch of rx's and as you quit them you got better

[@maisie6904]

@@jazziez6467 👎 nope 👎

[@woboznz]

So happy for you! I just started keto 5 days ago for treating PCOS. I have keto-flu symptoms pretty bad... any advice?

[@marabolin566]

As a school lunch lady I know first hand how poorly we nourish kids at school. Having to follow the government food guidelines, which require grains, vegetables, fruits, meat, milk. Believe me, the meat is minimal and usually contains sauces and gravies, which stretch the amount and add sugar and seed oils. The fruit is canned also containing sugar. The breads , which we do make fresh each day, yet made with shortening, sugar and flour. Breads also often times are bread sticks covered with margarine and spices. Vegetables are canned ( often sweetened) or frozen to which is added margarine and salt. Then there’s dessert which we usually make from scratch, but again more shortening, sugar and if it has fruit it’s sweetened. Beverages served are milk, white and chocolate ( and of course most children choose chocolate MORE sugar) and fruit juices ( MORE SUGAR). The meals are extremely high in carbohydrates! Extremely high in sugar! It fills their belly’s with basically no good nutritional value at all!! It breaks my heart

[@Emmy-J]

Funny how we continuously give billions to other countries but can't provide for our own.

[@OscarFrosty]

WOW. That is awful.

[@bonnievicari9167]

What you know is compelling evidence on why kids are overweight and depressed. Please be the strongest voice you can muster to bring everyone the information that you absolutely know intimately. What we feed our kids is terrible along with patients in hospitals and nursing homes. Keep speaking up! Thank you!

[@marabolin566]

Yes it is. The school system is helping to addict children to sugar/carbs.

[@makaisenki]

​@@bonnievicari9167 everyone knows how bad school lunches are. Even if they don't understand that food can be bad. No one went to a lower end school and said "Damn this is gourmet food" though you get like any keto KZbinr rewriting a low budget menu it would be better than 90% of restaurants taste wise.

[@rulesfortheenotforme613]

My mom is using Monjouro and she has lost 120 pounds. She needed a leg up to get a kick start on this journey… she felt helpless for decades… she is keto now also.. but these drugs are not a solution if there is no lifestyle change…

[@CasperChicago]

Exacto mundo! Ozempic is only a short term fix. Sooner of later you have to address the real problem which is diet and lifestyle.

[@deborahbaca1345]

Has she kept it off? And still on monjouro?

[@rulesfortheenotforme613]

@@deborahbaca1345 she has kept it off but is still on lowest dose every two weeks. She made a drastic dietary change.

[@alforteresse]

I really love the empathy both Drs have towards people that have really struggled. When you see people in front of you really struggling, you can’t help but to ask what can you do? ❤

[@fleur7308]

WHY IS NOBODY ASKING THIS QUESTION: If Ozempic slows gastric emptying to such an extent that food is sometimes still in the stomach days later, is it even physically POSSIBLE for a patient to digest the required amount of protein in a day to avoid muscle loss? Everyone keeps saying Ozempic is safe so long as you exercise and eat enough protein, without asking if their bodies can even digest that amount of protein while on the drug.

[@LeahBrooksJeremiahGardens]

Interesting question! I had to think a bit on this, and tho I'm no expert, in general, people are eating a lot less on these meds, so the total amount of food is much less. Many people are eating less carbs, since they aren't as appealing while on Ozempic.

[@megchetter8987]

@@jonischneider5244 rubbish! i belong to an Ozempic etal fb group and there has never been any stories or experiences of folks throwing up maggots. you do know the body is a sealed unit, that does not let flies in! stop with the fear mongering!

[@laraderksen4297]

That is a side effect of an inappropriately large dose. This is addressed many times during the video.

[@LeahBrooksJeremiahGardens]

@@laraderksen4297 yes! Plus, Tirzepitide doesn’t has the same rate of side effects as Semiglutide. Many people with nausea take Tirz if they have nausea.

[@fridaytieday]

Can't get my head around taking any meds. It's not natural to take meds. Will end in tears for sure.

[@sandrap4188]

Grew up in 1960's with constant supply of tv dinners, tuna helper, chips, cookies, soda. My mom grew up during Depression where food was scarce so she made sure we were well fed with the latest advertised processed food. As an adult, I never changed my junk food eating, even with reports coming out that an organic whole food diet is necessary for good health and my diet was making me fat & sick. Fatty liver disease diagnosis after ultrasound in my 40's didn't stop my bad diet. Now in my 60's with autoimmune neuroinflammation that is immobilizing me. I cant turn back the clock but I can warn others to change your ways before its too late.

[@bperez8656]

God bless you ❤

[@debraengland3827]

You CAN turn back the clock. A 90 day Elimination Diet using the Carnivore diet with time-restricted eating can be powerful. After that you may be able to ease up and eat more widely (Ketovore or Carnivore or Ketogenic) within the range of Low Carb High Fat ways of eating. Dr. Ken Berry has playlists on both Carnivore and Ketogenic diets that can help you get started.

[@contessajones5619]

Victim mentality will keep you from trying anything new.

[@annabaum7977]

Try carnivore

[@kaydublin5164]

My mom also was born in the mid ‘30’s and with 8 kids and her dad died when she was 5, she grew up very poor, and when she married my dad, who had a good white collar job , she could buy all the food types she never had as a kid, lots of soda too.

[@kimberlysambou]

These two physicians do not live in regular America. We regular folks do not have doctors who take the time to ask questions and think of our best interests. Our doctors follow a script that they are given by their employers. This pie-in-the-sky utopia medical practice is not attainable for Us regular folks. Thank you, Calley, for standing your ground.

[@sugartreatments]

It’s not about them. A regular person can be develop self awareness about their health. If you are counting on doctor to tell you what is wrong you will most likely be suffering a long time until you find the one who actually cares. You are responsible for your health. You can do better by picking and choosing your food. By making sometime to walk or exercise. By practice proper breathing. It is not their job to teach you that. Are they responsible for not caring and thinking of the money? Absolutely, but at the end of the day, you are responsible for YOURself. If you are waiting for them to say «change your life still » when you know you should, you are the one responsible, sorry. It’s easy to put the blame on others and trust me I hate doctors and went through experiences, but I also know that no one is responsible for me, how I feel, what I do, how I choose to react to things. Because most people don’t care about anyone else, it’s best to care for yourself and that means taking accountability for yourself.

[@laurieryan-mcdonald3222]

​@@sugartreatmentsabsolutely 💯%!!!

[@cornypinkuni9519]

​@@sugartreatmentsHow condescending and your bias shows. Many people have been very responsible and done careful food awareness and breathing and exercise and still suffered for decades despite their very best efforts. And your condescending presumptions match those of most condescending doctors.

[@tracyrussell4385]

This guy is so damn condescending 😮 He doesn't even recognize that Dr Tyna is part of the conservation!

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

​@cornypinkuni9519 toughen up buttercup . This person is totally right It's all on you. That includes probably having to spend thousands of dollars out of pocket each year for health and anyone that says they can't afford it has got their priorities wrong. I have great insurance but I still spend $200 a month on a concierge doctor who's at my beck and call 24/7 and doesn't follow the corrupt insurance system. That said only me is going to fix my health You have to be proactive nowadays and that's what the message this person was trying to get across we lying on a doctor isn't going to get you anywhere especially in the system now

[@laraderksen4297]

I find the rigid, black and white, idealistic thinking of the young guy (Calley?) very trying. Love and am thankful for the approach of Tina and Dr. Hyman.

[@marcus6332]

He’s not listening and responding to what is being shared in the conversation. He has his platform and sound bytes ready to go and is missing the nuanced points that are being made by everyone else.

[@laraderksen4297]

@@marcus6332 Exactly. 😓

[@marklopez4762]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one annoyed with him

[@nomadicsoul8770]

The interview would have been so much better without his annoying interference. He definitely had an agenda. Dr. Tyna Moore spoke from real life experience with her patients.

[@laraderksen4297]

@@nomadicsoul8770 Exactly what I was thinking. He had nothing to say that was constructive or helpful to anyone.

[@littleguynoir3253]

Some people need to understand that addiction is often stronger than the will to live. Junk food is addictive, that is pretty well accepted. Getting off of junk food can be like getting off of heroin. Thank you Dr Hyman for understanding that there are so many sides to so many issues.

[@nancyann1187]

Absolutely!!! Can you imagine if people could go to rehab to get off sugar???

[@MsBeautytoons]

SO true!!! Struggling for many years to manage consistent, healthy weight, I once prayed to lose the desire for fast foods! Thankfully, I don’t eat them anymore.

[@MsBeautytoons]

I enjoyed their conversation.

[@LeahBrooksJeremiahGardens]

I haven’t eaten ‘junk food’ in 20 years. No pizza. No soda. No chips. No artificial sweeteners. I garden and cook daily. I think that some obese people fall into the habit of eating junk food because diets don’t work for 95% of people with obesity, so they say, “to hell with it - who cares? I might as well eat what I want”. I refuse to eat that stuff because I love myself. However, just because i eat clean doesn’t mean that it’s a magic pill to treat my obesity. Obesity is a disease. Medication helps. A lot. It also isn’t a cure, but it helps to manage it.

[@katiedingman3637]

As a non-average American, with mold toxicity, autoimmune, hormone imbalance, POTS, etc., I really appreciate Dr. Tyna and Dr. Hyman sharing their knowledge! I need help getting back to homeostasis, and it’s been SO hard. This gives me hope, which I also need. I agree with the young man that America’s food system and pharmaceutical system is corrupt, but as someone who isn’t able to exercise (used to be three sport athlete & trained for a half marathon) I need help getting back there. Thanks for this podcast! Great listen!

[@bifsavage6247]

When one person is saying “it’s not all good or all bad” and the other guy says “semaglutides are the devil”, I’m going with the rational thinking.

[@CarnivoreS8N]

I didn’t need medication to lose weight. I used diet (carnivore diet) to get off all my meds, lose fat and excess water. Now I’m metabolically healthy at 50. Been doing carnivore for over 2 years

[@KimmyGuitar]

I was keto for 5 years, it is very difficult to sustain

[@FitforLife2024]

I have been organic/ natural keto ten years. My weight loss has maintained . I am compact and muscular. It’s easy. I see how my extended family eats and realize most people have no idea how to eat healthy even though they think they do…..😮 I just live by example now. They get jealous but won’t change.

[@KimmyGuitar]

@FitforLife2024 good for you, however, most people find highly restrictive diets hard to sustain

[@soph8164]

Is Carnivore diet good for someone with high cholesterol?

[@user-uc1go4io9c]

@@soph8164yes

[@rwpoly8760]

Calley is right! My relative has been on Ozempic for over a year and his social media is filled with him eating everything in sight and pounding the alcohol. Nothing learned, nothing changed.

[@bperez8656]

That’s wild Perfect big pharma patient

[@lisacrummett1279]

That is not common for people on Ozempic. Just because one person miss uses it doesn’t mean every one of us does.

[@jeff911rn99]

@@lisacrummett1279 Nobody should be using this poison.

[@11plus3]

That’s interesting. My friend is on it and can only eat 1/2 of a kids meal for lunch. And eats very little the rest of the day.

[@marybrown5238]

Another thing that you don't hear about is that it doesn't work for everyone. Your cousin might be one of those individuals.

[@cassiethibodeaux4645]

PharmD here sober 8 years. The same tools we use in recovery could be used to teach people healthy mindful relationships with food and supportive communities😊

[@marklopez4762]

Which is?

[@okmmauh]

Absolutely correct. This is pure addiction

[@KimberlyBrown-hd4ux]

I have never commented on a podcast but I want to thank you for this. I am a 50 yr old female who had a normal high BMI at 24 and couldn’t find a functional doctor for insulin resistance and brain fog. I went to a medispa for bioidentical hormones and the doctor there recognized my metabolic disarray. I already eat reasonably clean but she convinced me to try semaglutide to help with the insulin resistance and high ldl and bp. I did drop some weight but very slowly and took lower doses to help with the inflammation. She also put me on testosterone cream but my world changed. I can think clearly and I have maintained my muscle mass. There is definitely a population of people perhaps like me this can help and I haven’t heard anyone talk about this. The sad thing is the absorbent cost that stretches my budget but I don’t plan to be on for life but to try to see how I can manage how I feel. My wish was there were more cost effective ways to help the population and more functional physicians out there to help. My Medispa doctor is wonderful but she doesn’t do what you do.

[@ATeitter]

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[@wme3tvnexus]

exorbitant, not absorbent, cost

[@user-uc1go4io9c]

@@wme3tvnexusdon’t waste time correcting others. 🩷

[@pazzy001]

Did the doctor try the micro-dosing of semaglutide or a regular dose? What is the specialty of the doctor you saw?

[@deborahbaca1345]

Curious where you went.

[@Ilee6906]

I started with keto diet for couple of years age. Now on low carb diet. After that I fasted hard core. Taking a break from fasting (just intermittent fasting currently).Have another ~30-40 lb to lose. Thanks for you all!!! You all are amazing!!! There is great information online-just have to try what works for you!!! And say NO to drugs!!!

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[@froandcara]

Loving Dr Tyna. I have followed her for a couple years. They both have valid points and I love these discussions. I get where Calley is coming from but i had the same idealism in nutrition until I was the one needing to lose weight. I was raised on all Whole Foods with minimal processed food and then after having my two kids I blew up and weighed more than when I was pregnant. Healthy foods, fasting, and all the usual options didn’t lift the weight. Then the disappointment makes you want to eat whatever you like if it doesn’t change how you feel and look. It’s a rough cycle. Calley just hasn’t been there.

[@NikPitnik]

This!!!

[@sellmav]

How about NOT eating? Have you tried that? That’s literally all glp-1s do.

[@amandauelmen3467]

​@sellmav you should probably read up a bit more before you make an incompetent comment like this. Human anatomy is much more complicated than this. Try PubMed-

[@amandauelmen3467]

​@@NikPitnikshe spot on...once you are perimenopause the cards completely change. Young women and male experts and doctors have not experienced this.

[@NikPitnik]

@@sellmav I have done a 10 day WATER ONLY fast and only lost one pound and no body .2% body fat (which measurement could have been effective by hydration status only). I have done a 3 day fast and GAINED. It's not as simple as eating less or not eating.

[@rodholt8651]

Great Podcast. I'm on injectable Tirzepatide. Amazing what it has allowed me to fix. Diet and food choices are so much easier now. A few years back I was on multiple meds for heart and T2 diabetes issues, and now, over the last couple years, I have been able to remove all of those meds. Weight down, heart rate down, BP down, glucose down (amazing). I'm now working on improving the sleep. The next "big hurdle" is getting back to resistance training back into the mix. At 59 I know I have lost a good amount of lean mass and need to work to gain some of that back. When used correctly and not as a band-Aid, these medications can give you the push to move in the right direction.

[@km376]

I absolutely agree when you start gaining weight the your health can start spiraling downhill causing weight in the midsection causing heart attacks high blood pressure medication and so forth.if you're able to lose weight you could drop medications be more productive and be more active I don't know what the long-term side effects of this medication is but I think it can work wonders for a lot of people not everybody's overweight issues can be fixed I believe .I don't believe in one size shoe fits everybody.I'm overweight and in an elderly woman and I don't eat no snack food and eat only maybe one meal a day and therefore I store fat it's what I've been told what I do eat I store because if your body is not used to getting food they say it stores it but if that was the case my body should be used to it because they would say well I'm not going to get fed again so I'm going to hold on to this but after years and years of eating a approximately 1 to 2 ml a day if that true how do you still gain weight and that was my primary goal was not to spiral downhill and I see a lot of that happening once you gain weight you have health issues and then you're not able to be active can you develop high blood pressure can can steam from being overweight midsection weight can they say can cause heart issues and so on.. I have seen people that take this and they don't exercise and they lose weight I did not know it was a lifetime medicine and I'm curious about the future side effects because sometimes it takes years for a new things come out about medications but I think it would be a plus for lots of people there's women with in their 50s or 60s that lost hormones deficient their body doesn't lose weight as fast as a man that's been proven that women that's never been overweight become overweight at that age it's because we have deficiencies we start losing things in our body we have a lot of deficiencies in our food we need minerals we need vitamins hormones and a lot of people don't want to do hormone replacement it's been a study that can cause cancer and then I read there was a study after that that said it did not I'm looking into all that that's why this got my attention I feel like a lot of women are misdiagnosed untreated with antidepressant pills and I think that's the answer for everything once they get into these changes in their body I don't really see an expanded help for HRT because you know I don't think there's a lot of women that cared for it because of cancer causing issues about the research that I read that it they done another research after that that said that it did not that that was proven not to be quite so but I don't know how true that is but how it could be beneficial because most of the American people are overweight and is our food is it regulated like the people in the other countries? their diet is different and they are skinny .. I can see where a lot of women would turn to this in a crisis where they gain weight, they're just basically handed anti depressant and then you have to go through how many to the right one? trial situation a hit or miss you have to try different ones well who wants their brain chemistry messed with that much

[@earhustler2639]

Profiting off of a sick kid… Absolutely disgusting and disturbing! 🙄

[@smooth_pursuit]

They’d love to have every kid on ozempic, an SSRI, an ADHD med and cross sex hormones. For life. What a sh*t show

[@jodyfro1312]

Saving a kid’s life, how dare they.

[@adelepratter1156]

Agree

[@majicears]

I changed my lifestyle radically 4.5 years ago at age 57 and lost 70lbs. I started lifting weights and have transformed my life. However, it was not enough for me after a lifetime of abuse.

[@lindajones4849]

If I may ask, what issues remain,? If you still have problems and have discretionary income consider evaluation for enviornmentAl toxins which are everywhere.

[@tomhawk8240]

Better late than never! Any positive lifestyle changes is definitely beneficial!

[@TH-il8mn]

I weight train 6 days a week and work 2 jobs with varying schedules as a single mom nearly 53. I'm in perimenopause and I'm looking into micro dosing this peptide to assist with the weight gain that has occurred despite changing nothing in my training or intake. The young man spouting idealism needs to direct his venom toward the food industry for manipulating our foods and toward the plastics industry for poisoning our environment. I've been an athlete my whole life and have always eaten well. I take supplements including probiotics. Doctors have done me few favors over the years and I would like the ability to control my own health outcomes.

[@sstorm1328]

Start maybe by taking TUDCA pills... Resets the liver... Gets rid of fatty liver and bieve it or not starts the weight loss ball to roll.... They r peptides in TUDCA.... Amazon sells them. Start 1 capsule a day... Up to 3....

[@dr.peterfischer1322]

You should know by when you are an athlete that the body adapt to situations. Micro dosing is still a pharma intervention with side effects. The metabolism change and adapts, so do your hormones. That is one of the reasons why you have trouble with the weight management. Yes the food industry is lying. But with the right food choice and possibly a metabolic rest, hormone adjustment, training adjustment the weight management is better to handle. I say all that without knowing you, because everyone is individual, but there a some common nominator. Ans in my experience especially athletes doing those mistakes, by not considering the adaptation. I'm 65 and in a shape like in my 30ies and see people every day with problems you describe. No one of them need ozemspic. Because no one want to die because of the side effects.

[@Mona-Faye]

Did you listen to her that the side effects are dose related and her patients don’t experience them (or minimal) at microdoses.

[@TH-il8mn]

@@Mona-Faye yes, I did say I was looking into micro dosing.

[@dr.peterfischer1322]

@@Mona-Faye It can not be and is not micro dose, it is low dose. No one knows the long term side effects of low dose. Yes any effect or side effect is dose dependent. Thats how the body is working. But again: the question is always: why is the body not producing or working that way. That has to be addressed. Just to give the substance/ pharmaceutical doesn't solve the problem and we can not call it healing. Just because only the body can heal them self. It's about the WHY and not to stop when an intervention shows an effect.

[@teotwawki00]

I took my health into my own hands. I had a major health crisis with years in a medical bed and multiple surgeries. I got huge. I was feeding my misery. I started reading and watching everything I could on nutrition and started exercising in bed. I did hard core KETO. Under 20 grams of carbs a day for probably a year and lost, 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁180 pounds. It's not impossible. I did this as a 47 year old man at the time. GREAT SHOW......

[@tammys8711]

Wow, well done.

[@user-zh5cz6kz1m]

So my prayers for the good doctors out there that do speak out and do the right things that is not for their own convinience or profit while hurting the patient. Thank you Dr. Hyman. Keep being on the right side🙏

[@michaelhalstead64]

Im not pro GLP1 but Calley’s approach is like telling alcoholics and addicts to quit drinking and doing drugs.

[@itsmej87]

right lets medicate people instead

[@ginabinawina]

​@itsmej87 you realize there are medications that save lives during overdoses of drugs. It's a risk benefit situation in every case so people need to stop generalizing medicine pharma bad.

[@leelaa219]

While having to live in a world surround by their favorite drug and alcoholism beverages 24/7

[@jeredphillips3424]

You have to want to change. I was an alcoholic and carnivore saved me. Gotta have strong will power and desire. Got medication to detox and started my journey towards health and recovery. Couldn't be happier today

[@ginabinawina]

@jeredphillips3424 when the world is your enabler and you literally have to eat to live, it's a trickier solution in terms of losing weight. Add hormonal issues like pcos where people actually do keto or low carb and still struggle and you'd understand how these medicines could help. Coming from someone who's worked out and dieted since middle school. (You can see my page that I've been thin but not metabolically so).

[@mross1236]

I disagree with those that say Dr. Hyman needs to talk less. Thankfully Mark creates incredibly useful and informative content that is a service to us all. I appreciate Mark's sense of humor, cheerfulness, the fact that he does not seem to take himself too seriously and his willingness to listen to opposing ideas. During this interview Mark had to reel Calley Means in as Calley did not seem to want to listen to Dr. Moore and came across as clearly agitated/angry. The country and the world needs more doctors like Dr. Hyman (and Dr. Tyna Moore) who attempts to educate us about our health through diet, nutrition and lifestyle while introducing us to a host of different guest, doctors and specialists who do not always agree but seem to be fighting for the better good and to improve peoples health, quality of life and healthspan. Thank you Dr. Mark Hyman for your work, compassion and all the wonderful information you make available to improve our health and lives.

[@dianemcq64]

I don’t think Dr Hyman needs to talk less, but he does need to stop constantly interrupting his guests. He frequently interrupts and you can see it derail his guests’ train of thought. I get so irritated by it. But he’s got such valuable knowledge and insights!

[@rlwings]

@@dianemcq64 Agree. Don't mind listening to his ideas when he speaks alone, but when he has guests his interviewing skills need much work. He's very impulsive and interruptive. Highly annoying.

[@Lorna-JWB]

@@dianemcq64Dr. Hyman HAD To interrupt the one guy. That other guy spoke like he was setting congress straight from the moment he started talking. He seemed to have a black and white view, and looked at a “process” as being a flaw or worse yet a flaw or failure. Many of people who tune in are on those drugs. They need to get to a certain place to reduce them and hopefully eliminate them. I reduced one drug down to 25% and eliminated two as I learned things (mostly from KZbin and not from doctors-with one notable exception) like resistance training while I have impaired mobility, fermented foods to heal my gut and to change my sugar addiction-because it is an addiction, foods that heal inflammation, how important things like nitric oxide are and why-it is a process of learning, implementing, and reassessing-then learning and implementing again and reassessing. When you step into the process, you do not dump all your drugs on day one. I would’ve had sky high blood pressure and a host of other problems.

[@smooth_pursuit]

On the contrary, I thought Dr Moore kept interrupting Calley!

[@JulioHernandez-gz5lr]

Tirzepitide is now being hailed as (chronically) needed to treat the “chronic disease” of obesity

[@conni222]

I am too scared to get on it but I have a friend that stayed on the shots exactly 1 years and has been off for 6 months now. She lost 45 lbs and did fine and has kept the weight off.

[@austinironwoman]

You should not be scared. I’m on compounded tirzepatide at 2.5 mg and will likely reduce it because I have MAJOR appetite suppression. Do your research. There are 1000s of testimonials on social media. I’m finally losing weight and feeling myself again!

[@jodyfro1312]

The fear mongering is obscene. I hope you are able to give it a try and see if it works for you. It has been life changing for me. Sending good thoughts your way.

[@julianapicard8660]

And 55 and perimenopausal. I had my first blood test in 14 years in September 2023 and discovered that I was extreme type two diabetic. That’s going from a belief that I was perfectly healthy. In response to that diagnosis, I have become the poster child of willpower, diet, and exercise not fixing the problem. I exercise about 150 minutes per day. I walk between two and 6 miles per day, I dance four times a week, I play tennis twice a week, and I strength train three times a week, this is a change I made and response to the diagnosis. I also completely cut processed foods out of my diet. I eat only whole, real foods that I prepare in my house - mostly organic, many locally sourced. I limit my carb intake. I get around 25 to 40 g of fibre per day. at my follow-up blood test in December, I had reduced my A1c by about 4.2, but my fasting blood sugar was still elevated and even with that large reduction in my A1c, I was still severely diabetic. I also had lost 16 pounds. And since then I don’t know my blood results yet, but I do know I haven’t lost even an ounce. Even with all the exercise, even with the careful diet even with the willpower - and I’m good at willpower because I used to have Anorexia so restricting intake is easy for me. I have to push back against the urge to not eat at all and force myself to get to 1500 to 1800 cal a day. I don’t take Ozempic, met Forman didn’t help me and it gave me very severe side effects so I don’t take that either, I’m doing this completely unmedicated. I will never take those epic, but I think there has to be more to the problem than just willpower, diet, exercise because I am on point on those things and I’m still fat and diabetic.

[@originsdecoded3508]

do 1 day fasting once a week on every 7th day. and start to integrate daily herbal teas which are known to prevent diabeties. don't pay too much attention to the diagnostics. just listen to your body, listen to your own sense of well being. how do you feel on a daily basis should be your main trust.

[@originsdecoded3508]

by the way, you might still be eating something that have high sugar contents. the salad dressings, the sauces, the toppings? so many variables, but if yours is genetic somehow, only daily regime of the right herbs will balance the scales out.

[@franceenmarinaro9393]

We must advocate for our own health and insist on what we want when and get any and all referrals to specialists even though you will have to wait a long time for that to materialize! I had to haunt my primary weekly to get me an ent doc bc the submission of the referral took so long!! I have one now BUT now I can see the pressure to clear my known ent ailments will be mine to push for bc whatever stupid little playbook this specialist works from is not fully applicable to me bc when I questioned why I have itching and pain in my both ears his answer was the same >> bc he had only did one thing to my ears that to remove any ear wax! Fine but it also became his answers for my ears ailments! Why itching why pain and he never looked into my ears again on that visit! 15minutes to get an card scheduling a hearing test and a follow-up telephone call doctor patient f/up what the heck will that do??????? Now a follow up battle from me which is annoying as a patient its very frustrating

[@ledonwissner2200]

Highly likely it is the environment (toxins) such as in water, air, allergens, forms of plastics everywhere- in food, containers, makeup, shampoos, etc. It’s everywhere. Note: Even our healthy pets (I exercise my pets) are showing signs of diabetes and cancers…. According to Texas A&M vets, the highest rise in diabetes and cancers in our pets! And I cook and watch what my dogs and cats eat. As for humans…The FDA is looking the other way with loaded bank accounts. It’s not just sugars, it’s chemicals (secret laboratories 🧪 additives) that the govt doesn’t tell us about.

[@julieowen4030]

Maybe carnivore or keto diet? Has helped my sister after not being able to lose weight. Lots of info online .

[@joycemarine8717]

Retired peds postop nurse. I regret the number of sodas/sprite and popsicles that I administered!! Unfortunately, most of the parents gladly wanted to reward the child for their bravery during the surgery process with these sugar bombs.😢

[@tedtalksrock]

Honestly, sugar in the form of a popsicle after surgery is FINE. The problem is processed foods that add sugar to everything that the kids eat at every meal.

[@laurensargent9471]

Psychologists like me know how to do behavior change, but we need to know what behaviors to change. I taught behavioral weight loss (calorie counting, food tracking, exercise) in the late 1980s. It didn’t work long term as it was too hard and too slow. Know what worked for me in my 60s? Intermittent fasting with no prescriptive diet. Lost 40 lbs, felt easy, kept it mostly off for 3+ years, helped to “unspoil” appetite. Now I’m in early stage of Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, trying to reverse this with lifestyle before turning to meds-wish me luck.

[@reneewhittinghill3440]

Good for you! Look at iodine for Hasimoto's. David Brownstein MD has a lot of good information.

[@ATeitter]

I reversed Hashimoto's using the book Thyroid Healing by Medical Medium. I was 45 and wasn't about to take any stupid hormones for life. I couldn't find one single knowledgeable doctor and then I learned the truth about how the body actually functions in Medical Medium books. You can actually reverse any condition and any "disease" using these books. Good luck to you! Intermittent fasting is dangerous because it makes your body run on adrenaline which feeds viruses like Epstein Barr which then drill into your thyroid and give you a thyroid condition

[@kalierider7851]

Both arguments make sense to me. As a dietitian it is clear to me that people need this. Behavioral changes simply aren’t happening. However how will we ever be forced to improve our food system if we have an endless supply of quick fixes to accommodate our broken one?

[@pon1952leod]

A friend went on Ozempic five years ago and lost 30 pounds which would have been ok if he was over weight. He has been reduced to being frail, sedentary, and depressed. I wish more doctors knew about micro dosing. This was such an interesting conversation…thank you.

[@JoshFost]

You make a great point. Anyone above 50 should really want to avoid muscle wasting. It's called sarcopenia and a real issue. Semaglutide is an artificial fast track to sarcopenea.

[@lr6477]

OK so this one guy follows no instructions on semaglutide and the rest of us get tarred with the same brush! He didn't bother to eat protein, weight train?

[@bridgetbecker8589]

Much bigger social issue than just diet and drugs: US Ag subsudizes 2 crops: corn (corn syrup) & soy. Food deserts and neighborhoods unsafe for kids to play outdoors and schools who can't do outdoor recess for same reasons. Schools' athletics funded by soft drink companies in return for their vending machines placed in those schools.

[@juliesaadwellness]

And I’ll throw in one more: we’re not getting good nutrition advice in general. We’re being taught we can eat whatever we want as long as we burn it off. It doesn’t work like that.

[@wgg6188]

The prescribing of statins is also giving people the false sense that they are okay eating bad diets, when they need to change from highly processed food to whole real foods and exercise. Doctors need to get onboard with prevention instead of just prescribing.

[@juliesaadwellness]

Statins usually do much more harm than good anyways. :(

[@-.-_123]

This drug is amazing. Not only does it take food addiction away, it also kills your need for alcohol. It also gives you a calm feeling. My blood sugar is finally controlled. I have cardiac issues and it prevents heart attacks and strokes. I've been on it for a year and my health improved.

[@midtownbrownstyle321]

As a menopausal woman with PCOS and tons of chronic conditions that go with it, Calley Means was really making me angry. Yes we know food and environment caused this, but we don’t have the individual power to solve this problem. I have done Ultrametabolism for years and keto for years as my insulin resistance got worse. I still weigh 100 lbs more than I should. My body systems are broken and glp1 agonists are the only real hope I’ve ever had. I feel like he is wearing blinders, can’t understand the mechanism of these meds. He’s just anti big pharma.

[@KimmyGuitar]

I think it's hard for a person, like calley means who have never experienced problems to relate. It's so easy to just say eat less and move more. How had that worked so far, lol

[@alinebrandau3982]

No, he made a comment about hugely obese patients may need it, and it is between the doctor and patient.

[@amylaw3416]

agreed. When I 1st went to the Dr and was diagnosed with PCOS I was not overweight. Everyone said eat clean and exercise. I WAS. I once even trained for an Olympic team sport. My body broke and NOBODY listened.

[@kcam3683]

Totally agree - now menopausal after a hysterectomy, my body is completely impossible to control in every way and feels like I’m inhabiting someone else’s. It doesn’t work anymore, inflammation up, homocysteine high, weight gain, pain etc etc

[@xjkbbls]

Carnivore cures it

[@lisacrummett1279]

I need to get on here and say, I have mold that I cannot get out of my body, chronic inflammation, Hashimoto’s and borderline diabetic. I have been on Semaglutide compounded for almost a year now. I’ve lost 40 pounds. I’m no longer prediabetic and my cholesterol has dropped 260 to 204. Now let me say this, I went keto didn’t eat sugar for three years then I moved over to Carnivore and nothing got me better. I was always hungry and miserable. Now I will say be Carnivore. I did not over eat because who can over eat on meat after six months, nothing changed so that’s when I went on Semaglutide.

[@naomideleon8363]

Did you start low micro dosing? Also did you get any side effects ?

[@lisacrummett1279]

@@naomideleon8363 I did not microdose, but went to a compound pharmacy and worked with the doctor that started me at the lowest dose. My side effects in the beginning were mostly nausea and constipation. I also learned that I cannot have fats like I did when I was Carnivore because it will give me acid reflux, the only side effects I have now is nausea once in a while. They give me a pill for that and it takes care of the problem. No regrets.

[@lisacrummett1279]

@@naomideleon8363 started on lowest dose and went up slowly

[@lr6477]

I do semaglutide I order to stand doing prolonged fasting. On semaglutide I don't feel the agony and the anxiety that fasting causes although it's still very very hard and causes keto flu. I also take a peptide called AOD9604 to aid with the muscle loss, fatigue and assist fat mobilisation. Obviously consume protein. I've already lost 4% body fat in four weeks.

[@Rye-gl9uh]

I tried this medication and couldn’t handle the nausea as the dose increased. At the time I was so sad because I loved the “calm” of never thinking about food. I have recently decided on my own to try it at a low dose cycling on and off of it. It helps me remember that while I do have a food addiction that I also have the ability to maintain control of the addiction. It has helped me regain control of my exercise and diet regime. I’ve been telling everyone I know with weight issues who got their dr to prescribe the medication for weight loss (not diabetic) to only use it at a low dose just to help them realize the food issues they may have- but to plan on it only being a short term thing. I’m so happy my natural instinct is proving to be a good idea! I fully agree with what Tina is saying! I do a week of rybelsus once every few months, I do weight training 5-6 days a week and joined a sport that I play almost everyday. If I hadn’t tried this medication I don’t think I would have understood the food addiction side of things and I don’t think I would have regained control of my life. There’s no magic pill, but this medication HELPED me regain control of my life and for that I will be forever grateful.

[@susanbeever5708]

Carnivore diet does two thing: no carbs/sugar and plenty of protein! Low carb diet with high protein is great also. Both diets with walking or other exercise for muscle tone.

[@user-ee2he5wt8c]

Absolutely!!!

[@floridamontanaman1028]

Meat heals

[@JillCao]

Didn’t know Cally and Casey are siblings 😮 What amazing work for people’s health they both have done ❤❤❤

[@TheEverCuriousJen]

Who’s Casey?

[@cocoweepah]

Casey is his sister who is an MD trained for surgeries ! So, though she has a specialty-MD degree she seems to have changed her business model more to the Internet-of-healthy-stuffings.

[@acerpalmatum6446]

Seems there are two different conversations: GLP1 to treat obesity... And microdosing GLP1 to treat other diagnosis.

[@mariecasey8780]

Dr. Tyna Moore's information is great. Her take on GLP1 was new for me and was presented in a clear and concise manner. Her skill as a practitioner who is able to think out of the box and advocate for her clients was on full display and refreshing.

[@sandraweber]

More of these conversations!! It's so great to hear a long form discussion from individuals that have opposing views! It's such a great reminder that somewhere in the middle is usually the best place to be!!

[@robertazimmerman887]

One thing that wasn't mentioned is the effects on mental health on people like myself. I have worked out for years, eating a healthy diet, and would always like to be 10 pounds lighter. Seeing so many women with bodies that were like mine, taking ozempic and are now incredibly thin, messes with my thinking. It is frustrating for people who are in our 60's, healthy, but not skinny. Our society values thinness for the sake of being skinny over health, and I feel like this is just another piece of this, adding to the feeling of not being good enough.

[@sarareimold3151]

10 pounds is not a health issue, though. It's in your mind. I'm 30 pounds overweight, have tried everything other than drugs, and I've had to admit this to myself. I'm healthy. I wasn't born with the genetics to be thin. It's not going to happen, but my health is way more important than looking slender.

[@damitabarnes8716]

Thanks Calley for standing your ground ,my goodness, Dr Hyman.

[@juliesaadwellness]

Calley is a hero.

[@lisajacobson6735]

Totally agree. In my opinion she’s part of the problem prescribing it at all!! Go after food manufacturers instead. Calley is 100% right! We didn’t have these issues before processed food and a population that won’t get up and move. Love Dr.Hyman but a little disappointed in him in this.

[@ninni6339]

Thanks for a great conversation! Two against one though... For two people "not advocating for ozempic and beeing no fans of big pharma", they do do an awful lot of defending "not drugs, but peptides" 😂 Awsome job standing your ground Calley Means!!!🎉

[@azurec6001]

Agreed!

[@KimmyGuitar]

I dont think he is a not a dr and is more trying to sell his book

[@LaurieR2255]

@@KimmyGuitar His sister is the author of the book, and she is a doctor. Casey Means. She has done a lot of podcasts about metabolic health. He worked for Big Pharma and knows a lot about what goes on. Listen to his interview with Dr Anthony Chaffee

[@juliesaadwellness]

@@KimmyGuitar He made lots more money when he worked with pharma & Coca-Cola. Very few people get rich selling books these days. He’s on a mission and we need more voices like his.

[@JoshFost]

I thought the same thing. Have they now been incentivized by Norvo?

[@MaybellineQueen]

When i got to take mounjaro last yr I literally explained that i felt like i haven't suffered w multiple sclerosis and lupus, arthritis and every.single.bodily. function for those 7 months. It was amazing. 😢

[@naomideleon8363]

Why did you get off of it ?

[@naomideleon8363]

I have all those and in sooo much pain daily 😢😢😢😢

[@MaybellineQueen]

@naomideleon8363 I'm only pre diabetic so my blue cross no longer covered it. Everyone who was on it for weight loss was forced off it January 1st of 2024. The generic zepbound is the same price, over $500 a month, and as I'm disabled there's no way I can afford it.

[@naomideleon8363]

@MaybellineQueen oh I see. I understand. Thank you for responding. I have PCOS and other health stuff so my doctor is trying to get my insurance to cover it . I have blue cross blue shield as well. But I guess of they don't cover it then I won't get it either . I cannot afford the ridiculous prices. Thank you again for replying

[@MaybellineQueen]

@naomideleon8363 would you be so kind to update me if they approve it for you? That would give me some direction in other avenues to get it. I'm in Oklahoma and I have the bronze plan I believe.

[@LeahBrooksJeremiahGardens]

I truly appreciate Tina and Dr. Hyman's approach. It is realistic, compassionate, and based on decades of working with people. Many need help making the big changes needed to keep the weight off. Obesity is a disease and needs a multi-faceted approach.

[@Rob-me8vp]

Obesity is not a disease. Obesity is based on the law of thermodynamics. Because people are not making good choices it is crippling our healthcare system. The expense of these drugs makes it financially unattainable as a society.

[@faithe54]

I agree with Calkey Means. This reliance by the medical world on treating people with, and keeping them on drugs is keeping them sick. I was diagnosed with afib, which I, believe, was from a long period of sleep deprivation. I did not want to go on drugs and blood thinner, the standard for this condition.. Since I had no other risk factors, and my afib was intermittant, my doctor agreed to let me not take the drugs. I had the afib for three years, had gone to a sleep specialist to correct my sleep habits, and studied what foods could trigger the heart rhythm to go off. I am happy to say I have not had any afib for six years, when I was told by specialists I would only get worse as I get older. I'm 67 and doing well.

[@2coryman]

Corruption has slowly gotten a grip on our government through special interest groups, it shouldn’t be allowed anymore, but I see we are turning around for the better with the truth awareness you spread,❤❤ thank you much

[@MsDivarx]

I started ozempic at .25 dose and by my third shot, I felt very depressed. Once I stopped, it took 2 weeks for the sun to come out again. This is real. Now on mounjaro, no issues.

[@naomideleon8363]

Did your Dr approve mounjoro?

[@user-zh5cz6kz1m]

Thank you for the 2 guests as well. Great discussion. Very helpful and encouragement. Very informative. Thank you for caring.

[@andiharley513]

This conversation is AMAZING!! Thank you, all 3 of you, for your information and view points. I feel so educated!

[@dharmaslife]

Tyna is fabulous! So glad to see you partnered up for this❤

[@user-zh5cz6kz1m]

Corruption and money lacking in the right areas for the health of humanity, what we do have left is knowledge and voice. Thank you for information the world and caring to voice this. We can as a chain pass it on. Voicing this advising all the knowledge on health and against the drugs that hurt us. Thinking besides social media to get this out there for all. Like it has come to me and has informed me and changed my thinking immensely to start caring more about my health because im understanding and be able to do according to advise is priceless. Thank you again and forward with planning to get all this out in many ways to all.

[@melaniephillips7825]

This was very interesting! I wanted to hear all perspectives.

[@purpuratigris8483]

Animal studies always come before FDA approval. So, the black box warning should not be treated dismissively. Calley has the most realistic view on this. It seems like the U.S. is always looking for a "magic pill" -- this rush to jump on the GLP-1 bandwagon is no different.

[@heide-raquelfuss5580]

Not only Amerika. The WHO is worldwide operating and infiltrates their power/control/protocols/sells$$$.

[@tinkytinky9914]

This was so enlightening. Let me tell my story. I have Hashimotos diagosed at the beginning of covid. 40 lb weight gain, severe joint pain (I still cant close my left hand all the way due to inflammation) and many other affects of the autoimmune disorder. I was able to obtain Semaglutide from a compound pharmacy after my primary doctor refused the ozempic. I injected it as prescribed: .5. I have never been so sick in my life. Severe nausea and stomach pain. For days. I was forced to go get an IV infusion of zofran, pepcid, vitamins, etc. After feeling better, I decided to microdose myself to see if I could tolerate it. I dropped it to .1 and took a zofran 3 hours prior to the injection. I was fine after I did this. I would up the dose by .1 each week. This was 6 months ago. I still microdose and to this day I still cannot go above .5 and I dont think I need to. I've lost 30 lbs and that's great but what was super amazing was that it has decreased the inflammtion exponentially. I didnt even know this drug did this. My hip pain that I was starting to get disappeared completely in 2 weeks. My hands and feet pain and stiffness has been cut in half. For my condition, this drug has been a miracle. It just needs to be done right. Micro dosing is key.

[@gnemom]

Thank you Mark and Calley for the understanding and compassion you offer towards the disease of obesity and the reality of how tough it is for folks who struggle to do all the right things. Finally some in the medical field are beginning to understand it's not just a lack of willpower or moral fortitude.

[@dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669]

Great job and great work by all involved in this great podcast.Amazing guest speakers and amazing host. Thanks 🙏👍🌹🌷👌.

[@Leo-mr1qz]

I live down the street from a high school in California. I grew up in the '90s, in Cali. I noticed that teenagers are SO much bigger nowadays and are less self-conscious about it. For example, a girl that is 20-30 lbs overweight for her age and height has no shame in wearing a shirt that shows her chubby midsection! 😮 My point is that this epidemic is socialital as well as physically. There would be no way that the same girl would walk out of that high school wearing that outfit not in tears from the harshment and ridicule she faced that day back in the '90s. We, as a society, are weak, lazy, and fat! 🤪🤯

[@blondebeautylush]

Fat acceptance gone too far. Obese outnumber normal weight people now in the US so of course body positivity/ fat acceptance/HEAS is becoming the norm. With role models like Tess Holiday and Lizzo people believe morbid obesity is healthy

[@merg-vh5sx]

Diet culture was healthier than this. 😢

[@ArtU4All]

Agree with you 100%. A girl in the 90s…? What about the rest of those girls who were not overweight or dressed accordingly, that were in that school with you in the 90s? Look at the adult obese and morbidly obese women today, 30yrs later, wearing stretchy tops and skinny jeans letting it all hang out in public? The camel toes in the front, the cottage cheese in the back, the muffin tops on the sides, sausages and hams all around - The Ugly Nation!!!! But these morbidly obese people (some) will show you how flexible they might be, how easily they will squat and stand up or ballet dance… “fat is beautiful” “obesity is a disease to be managed with medication”…. 🙄🫨 … totally missing the point that being fat is NOT normal, not healthy. And showing it off is extremely unattractive 🥴🤢

[@MD-rz7dn]

Shaming is SAD. Learn more, hate less. It's substantially the epigenetic, environmental changes in complainers generations that have caused these changes in younger generations. Sick of hearing, we grew up chewing lead paint as key chain kids and we're fine. Ignorant view.

[@ccook3659]

By design...lack of awareness to what the system putpose is...trainn to obey and stay sick...

[@nirui467]

Please do more of this format! We need to hear all views to make educated decisions about our health.

[@maritesamparado2378]

Totally agree!it s all about money.

[@reddawn8230]

1:25:43 “we were at the World Economic Forum” - instant loss of trust for me.

[@TheEverCuriousJen]

My thoughts exactly!!!

[@doublehelix2609]

The WEF comment also turned me right off. Throughout this chaotic podcast with all of them trying to drown each other out, I thought this all comes down to the mighty dollar. I believe these providers care about their patients, BUT they care about THE MONEY more. They’ll NEVER leave the money-and that’s what wrong with our world today.

[@flexcapazitor1940]

My spidey senses were going off, and seeing their involvement with WEF confirms my suspicions.

[@vetervgolovy]

I never trusted what Hymen had to say and this comment proves me right. Not to be trusted. I stopped watching the video.

[@marlenaewing7753]

So weird, Hyman seems to get the corruption, so WHY would he be a WEF attendee.? I'm done with this channel. Two faced BS.

[@minyaw1234]

I have typ 2 diabetes, my hb1ac went down from 6.9 to 5.8 since taking this medication. All my other tests also turned out more positive than before. I even gained muscle mass since I started to actually enjoy walking again without my feet hurting since I lost 55lbs. I did feel nauseous for the first month, but my doctor just kept the dosis low for another month and my body adjusted pretty fast. For me it's life changing. For example 20:30 Calley is saying you have to start changing people's habit - I think that is easy to say for someone who never experienced this food noise many people suffer under that is like an addiction. Before I took this medication, not thinking about food didn't work, just taking a bite of something never worked, not overeating or eating better food never work, I fell into a kind of eating trance where I wasn't in control of my body anymore. In fact I felt like watching a movie instead of being in control. I'm not one of the body positivity guys, I know that what I put into my body is what comes out - but I also know that unless someone would literally 24/7 stand next to me and control my intake I will always lose to the food noise in my head. You are your own worst enemy because you know all of your weaknesses, and that voice is mean and relentless - you can maybe ignore it for a week, but it nags and nags and nags you until you can only give up. This medications stops that voice and gives you control over your body back. 37:45 "Eating less crap because they don't want it" - Yes! This is the weird thing my family also is surprised with. I'm a 6'1 dude and ate lots of things, now I'm choosing salads because the thought of downing a Pizza like I always did when we ordered food disgusts me. Now an Italian salad still isn't the best choice with all the sauce they put on that but better than a whole Pizza I ate before and I can't imagine myself ever eating again. I can maybe eat one piece of it but after that my stomach protests telling me to stop eating that crap. 50:35 "Change your habits" - I don't agree. If it were that easy, everyone would do it. The problem is that something is not working correctly and the medication opened my eyes personally, like when I started to notice, I'm not thinking about food all the time instead of thinking what I am going to have for lunch the whole drive to work. I thought: Oh, that's what a normal person feels like, you don't have to think about food all the time? If I always felt like that, I too wouldn't be able to understand overweight people and just tell them: Just change your habit bro.

[@KimmyGuitar]

Exactly!

[@dawnwolff2050]

I have been on Sema-glutide peptides for around a year and a half. Also was taking metformin but don’t really need it anymore. Bp was elevated but is back to normal…. I have lost almost 40 pounds and I eat way less in portions than i used to. I take the stuff from a compounding pharmacy , but it costs about $600 for Rx which lasts about 5 or 6 weeks…. Can’t continue the cost anymore …. I’m a post menopausal 60yo female. I only had some mild side effects which pretty much go away next day after a dose, or I don’t get any side affects at all. This has really jump started my journey to better health…. But soon I will stop and need to continue to do well without it…. In the end you need to make the lifestyle changes or you will pay for prescriptions forever lol. This did help to change my habits but we will see if I can do okay once the peptides are out of my system.

[@minyaw1234]

@@dawnwolff2050 I live in Europe, I get it prescribed and since I got diagnosed with diabetes I get it on my insurance for the rest of my life so there aren't any additional costs for me. Even if I lost my job (which is unlikely as a civil servant) my insurance would be paid by social security so I'm on it for the rest of my life. If nothing better comes around.

[@jeff911rn99]

Why not change your diet, cure your type 2, and not have to take the poison?

[@LeahBrooksJeremiahGardens]

Well said!

[@debraspence3559]

I found this conversation fascinating! I lean towards Cali's stance however I found it so interesting how she is using some of these drugs. I am one of those people that got sick and out of balance doing what I thought was right. I was vegetarian vegan for over 30 years before I got sick. We don't know everything and most people are sick due to all the toxins, gmo's antibiotics and processed foods they eat and childhood trauma. I would prefer to go to the root before taking a medication but if someone uses that route to truly get better that's wonderful for them!

[@notesfromleisa-land7893]

Good health outcomes are a three legged stool: They depend on (1) access to healthcare; (2) Practitioners informed on best practices; and (3) engaged patients that comply with the care plan to include lifestyle changes. The difficulties are that their are failures across each. This discussion is a perfect demonstration of different points of view at play by participants who are informed, passionate about their work. Discussing, debating and deciding is not so much about engendering agreement, but rather in creating a venue/process to illuminate the topic.

[@janbishop5542]

There is just so much (rightfully so in many cases) distrust in the medical profession after their treatment of people during & after CoVid, including promotion of a new, not properly researched solution (vaccines). The majority of the blame resides with pharma companies, but medical professionals should be asking more questions & discussing options with those of differing viewpoints. The above discussion is a step in the right direction.

[@notesfromleisa-land7893]

@@janbishop5542 A reminder that in all things, we have to advocate for our health and become informed consumers. You would be amazed at how many practitioners do not prescribe plans of care in accordance with chronic disease protocols.

[@heide-raquelfuss5580]

Good health outcomes are based on... Avoid all doctors as much as possible. Avoid all medication and find real cures. No 'management'. A CURE! Avoid at all costs antibiotics and all medication. Only life and death situations should be the only situation for meds...and see for other solutions. Avoid elderly homes. Avoid any institution. Live in nature, simple, grow your own food. Eat carnivore, keto, little veggies, only fruit in the season, herbs, healthy fats. Avoid sugars, sweets, sweeteners, flour, additives, processed foods, unhealthy fats. Move everyday. Go outside in real light. Developed social deep bonds that last. Choose wisely a partner> only a lifelong partner. Doctors are a nightmare.

[@lmt1701]

With regard to the segment of conversation on dopamine effects and “reducing pleasure across the board” - my experience with Zepbound is it reduces the compulsive quick dopamine fix urges and allows for more pleasure in myriad other activities in life. For the first time in my 55 years I look forward to exercising!

[@rosanneseiler3825]

Best interview yet!! I learned so so much! Thanks

[@rinasadie5285]

What I would've done to help my dad🥺 I had to see him suffer for years , and stand by him when he left this earth ... I understand your urge to help your dad and even other extreme sick people to get healthy again, using peptides Dr Moore💜 I am also in tears while texting this message 🥹🌷💖 Some people don't know what life feels like when you haven't walked in their shoes...

[@EmbracingHealthyHabits]

This was a fascinating topic that sparked a lot of thought. While the discussion was engaging, it seemed at times like there were differing viewpoints being presented. Dr. Moore's perspective differed from Calley's, and the conversation could have benefited from allowing each person to fully express their ideas without interruption. For a productive group discussion, active listening and allowing everyone to finish their thoughts is important. I found Calley's position more aligned with my own thinking.

[@dharma__3]

It's not just GLP-1; it's also glp-2 and even glp-3 (and the drugs that affect more than 1 of them) that need to be addressed. Wish they would've mentioned this in their discussion.

[@amylaw3416]

YES

[@ariperion980]

Calley is amazing! He is so full of truth for me.Thanks Calley for your work!

[@nywvblue]

I love everything Dr. Moore is saying. It seems to me that her approach - the naturopathic one - is the model for the future of medicine once all of the drug-dependant people die off and big pharma loses its grip on the social consciousness. As a 57 yo who uses food and lifestyle as medicine, my goal is to live by example and help inform those around me. I'll be sharing this valuable conversation.

[@christine-vl3vh]

That is disgusting for children and the study research used for children before 10-15 years FDA approval research.

[@Ariella760]

Calley Means lacks a great deal of insight as well as sensitivity and I am curious what his credentials are to be teaching anyone anything. Thank you Dr. Tyna Moore for the thorough, well researched, innovative work that you do and for standing up to this bully as well as the norms of the medical community, we need more practitioners like you!

[@KimmyGuitar]

Exactly!

[@lasurfette7830]

Calley was determined not to let this be a pro Ozempic video.

[@deniselv]

Anyone if there is a version with his part edited out?

[@lynndecarlo6704]

A bully??? I see him as someone who is passionate about what he believes in. I am the same about the crazy world of big pharma and certain Dr's only prescribing quick fixes and not explaining the side effects. Not all Dr.s but alot.

[@8mysteryjo]

Calley Means graduated from Stanford undergrad and Harvard Buisness School. His sister is Casey Means who graduated from Stanford Medical School and a practicing MD. Calley Means founded TrueMed and Casey Means is a Co-Founder of TrueMed. *There’s a lot of information on Calley Means. It’s not hard to find. The only bully at the table was Tyna Moore. She was incredibly rude to Calley. *Ozempic has many possible side effects such as paralysis of the stomach, and suicidal ideation. I don’t know which is worse …your stomach no longer able to process food or create serotonin , or wanting to kill yourself.

[@BL-rb7jm]

I am in my seventies and I was raised with no sprays On our fruit trees. There was no chemicals put into our garden. And always had well water. In 1964, when there was an introduction to B.AJ and BHT into a cereal.He told me wasn't going to have that cereal in the house ever again. I lived along the ocean and used to go swimming quite often.And I lived also in the country by a lake and went swimming in the lake as well. I always had some hard chores to do which I didn't really like and my father would say to me. When I complained that I would have no pain when it came to my menstrual cycle and giving birth and it ended up he was right. I had birth delivery. That was no problem, and when it came to my time of the month It was never an issue with a lot of pain. We weren't allowed to really go and eat in fast food restaurant.Maybe once a month just so my dad didn't want me to feel left out. He says I don't want you to eat this junk food.And it's gonna harm people but at the same time I don't want you to feel different than the kids in the city who I went to school with. So it was not a habit of eating out of the fast food restaurant.It was more eating out of the garden every day. When we had beef it was never injected with hormones. We would put wood Ashes from our woodstove.Providing there was no tinfoil or junk like that put into the stove, And he put the wood Ashes into the garden.And the garden flourished. When we lived along the ocean he would put chopped seaweed into the gardens. We always had beautiful gardens and tomatoes that were as big as your hand. I used to shovel Our driveway which was about a quarter of an acre from the house to the main highway. So I'd start at 8 o'clock in the morning and finish at 11 o'clock at night with brakes and never really had any health.I just got mad because I had to work hard. When I was 32 I went into a gym for the first time and a guy said to me.Boy you sure look good strong for a woman. He asked me if I could bench press.And of course I never knew what that was all about. So the first time I did.I pressed 250 pounds and started shaking and I said.Give me another twenty five because i'm sure I could do it. But he never did allow me to and I never ever ended up really going to the gym until I was older because I wasn't living at home anymore. So what I'm saying is we should of all started off living off the lamb and keeping away from all types of junk food. And it wasn't until I started eating from mcdonald'son. All the other fast food restaurants that I started putting weight on and I never had trouble with my skin. I never had trouble with Arthritis. I basically ruin my body. To some extent when I was consuming all this junk food because everybody else was doing it. Thank goodness I went back to eating properly and organically and I won't stop eating.Organic food because that's the where it was raised. And I look at the young people and hall overweight they are and with obesity as you call it. I am appalled at how fat these young people are.Especially around their stomachs and buttocks. I was never fat like that only until I had a terrible divorce from my alcoholic husband who was very abusive mentally emotionally. So what puts on weight is stress besides a poor diet. It's a combination of everything that determines your health. It wasn't unusual for me to go up in the mountains and hike for hours carrying a canoe and fifty pound backpack ten miles into the bush when I was twenty one. It wasn't unusual for me to go ice fishing without a tent from five o'clock in the morning to about four in the evening. It wasn't unusual for me just to walk ten miles a day with no problems. So what is the problem now with people?What is the problem with the younger generation? While we are creating a generation Of children that don't get any exercise, And they're dying earlier Then my generation and it seems like every generation is weaker than the Generation before. I have friends in They're 80s and they don't smoke. Never did drugs and maybe occasionally drink the odd beer. Or a little wine for the stomach. As the Bible sayes and they handled their stress by not allowing anger to engulf They're very being. The friends are joyful. They don't worried about. Be obeyed by being grateful that they can get up in the morning and put their feet down on the floor beside their bed and wake up and say things like another day. Another day to pray another day of life. That they have enjoyed. Gratitude is an attitude that will keep you alive Longer. Look outside and have a look at the trees.And the sky and the little creatures that god has given us for our enjoyment. It's the little things that we take for granted.As we all know we're told stop and smell the roses. But how many? People actually do that. Are you too busy to just wake up and instead of grabbing your cell phone or going to the computer? Just take a moment, open your curtains, go out on the balcony go out on the grass, do what you have to and stare up into the sky and meditate for 5 Minutes that's all it takes to be grateful. If you're sixty years old you say to yourself i've got twenty years before i'm eighty. Those twenty years seem like a long time. But let's break it down in two days, And then ask yourself, how many days you have left.And is it really that far off? It's actually 7,300 days left.😮 Count your days and make those days good.Because because unforeseen circumstances affect us all. We don't know what's gonna happen to us from day to day.So ask yourself why do you get all stressed out over something that you have absolutely no control over or you imagined which will never really happen.

[@alward599]

I appreciate your response

[@BL-rb7jm]

@@alward599 Why do you appreciate my response

[@cornypinkuni9519]

Very interesting convo. Thanks guys. I agree with Calley's cautions about how people(including doctors) may use it as a panacea/magic pill outside of appropriate context. I also appreciate Tyna's comments about dosing and cycling off and am encouraged to learn more about peptides and GLP agonists generally. Mark said it well about in a perfect world which we aim for versus navigating the delays getting there and the reality or hope of can we use this in safe ways to gain a leg up, in conjunction with other measures. The example that comes to my mind is that cars kill and maim. Yet we attempt to mitigate how to still use them for their benefits and with caution and respect for context and speed.

[@tammyday9389]

Thinking that low dose is a bridge is great, but as Calley says, the habits don't tend to change. I can see that if it can help a person to have lessened their pain, they will likely start to move more. Being someone with RA, but no weight issues,I know that I'd move more if it didn't hurt so darn much! If my cartilage can begin to regenerate, I'll start moving more.

[@saltfreewater]

Calley is exactly right about doctors being complicate with all of this. He's also right that pharmaceutical want the kids. Anyone who works in mainstream medical knows this is true. The standard of care has to be followed as defined by AMA and CMS otherwise insurance doesn't pay.

[@heatherrodriguez8764]

I have worked as a nurse 25 years, nurses and doctors almost always recommend lifestyle changes, patients have trouble getting the appropriate food, the food that is available is highly addictive, GLP 1 meds address the intense food cravings. I agree maintaining muscle mass and in changing diet, but the medication is an important component to combat the food craving and get back to metabolic health.

[@LadyErnst]

I’m so glad Cally spoke of Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS) briefly. It’s what I suffer from. It doesn’t matter how well I eat and how much I exercise most of the time I will either not lose weight or gain weight. A temporary treatment for long term gain is reasonable with proper use and lifestyle changes.

[@OscarFrosty]

Wow. I am so grateful to live in Canada. We have regulations in place designed to prevent all of this. Although we have unhealthy food, our culture is very aware that the only way to fix the problem with proper nutrition and exercise. I haven't seen a pop/soda machine in a school or a hospital in years.

[@1prosperbp]

I like the female doctor- she is on top of her game and refuse to let the 2nd speaker dominate the interview or dumb down her knowledge ❤

[@Mindovermatter767]

💯 agree

[@southerngirl1408]

Actually she refused to let him speak, she was extremely overbearing and rude!!

[@MarysiaWojnarowska]

They are siblings

[@woboznz]

I noticed Dr Moore talked about how micro dosing ozempic has been life changing for managing her peri menopause triggered auto immune disease and Calley just kinda looked dumbstruck like oh, that's womens health we don't need to care about that whole Pandora's box! I can't help thinking the medical world already ignores literally everything women go through especially menopause while it slowly destroys our lives... so there is a place for this, for women who need it. That said, I agree public health policy needs to change and changing should be drug free first as calley said. These are totally different types of patients and totally different health profiles - both ignored for totally different reasons!

[@emh8861]

She’s rude.

[@laurensingletary5453]

This is such a great conversation with perspective from both sides.

[@juliahotz5279]

Excellent discussion! Thank you to all involved.

[@user-bi1ye1fj9n]

So good to see Dr Tyna. I found her channel during Covid.

[@user-uw7yj2vk8e]

A loved one took ozempic and got severe anxiety that had a residual effect months after she stopped taking it. It was SCARY!!

[@kcam3683]

It’s very much down to the individual, I’ve been on it for 8 weeks now and it’s not changed my moods negatively at all.

[@DarleneNoemie]

Only 17mins in and this is such a breathe of fresh air to hear. THANK YOU GOD!!!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@jq4444]

Suffice to say, as a 60 year old, I know which one of these doctors I won't go to with my issues. I have a theory for my own body - according to a 1930 book - that inflammation is the biggest enemy of the human body. I try to keep my pH balanced. If I eat meat, I try to eat at least a cup or two of fresh greens with it. If I eat bread today, I will avoid bread and sugar for a few days. I try my best, but eventually we will all die. It is not about living a long life anymore, because I see a lot of elderly people living alone, living below the breadline and frankly are lonely and isolated. Why are we trying to live to be 80 or 90 years old if we are going to live in a miserable state in any event. We have to learn to do everything in moderation, it's all I'm going to say. Thank you Tyna Moore for speaking on behalf of a lot of people that other doctors won't listen to.

[@mysticalrosepodcast]

What a fantastic conversation 😊

[@user-zu4pm2lr8s]

They wont let her talk and she is the one who has actual experience and the guy is extremist opinions distracting from a practical discussion

[@keepingit4real]

Question: prioritizing exercise/diet over taking a drug for the rest of your life is extremists? To me that's just common sense.

[@user-zu4pm2lr8s]

@keepingit4real Obviously yes but the reality is some people still have heart issues or pre diabetic or other even if they exercise or have run marathons as an example

[@keepingit4real]

@@user-zu4pm2lr8s but diet and exercise are two separate things. You can exercise but still build insulin resistance that causes diabetes/heart disease/etc if you don't change your diet. All of the ultra processed foods, seed oils, and high-carb intake creates insulin resistance which, over time, causes diabetes, heart disease, and a lot of cancers.

[@candybabyeagle]

Great discussion. I love the common sense view of using all the tools in your tool box according to the individuals' need. I think one reason doctors don't encourage lifestyle changes as strongly as they may want to is patient resistance. So often they want a quick fix for any number of reasons. (ie core strengthening exercises for low back pain instead of pain pills.) patients can be very quick to complain to their HMO when pushed to do " non medical" solutions. Dr. Moore's approach is probably the most practical I've heard because it takes into account patient psychology. Everyone had great points to make, though governmental policies maybe the hardest to tackle because of the influence large corporations have on those in government.

[@starbright5236]

This was a great discussion. I see both sides even though I agree with Calley. I know what stock I'm buying!

[@BlueDelphinium-le7yx]

Calley talks about incentives, which are what really drive the system. I appreciate his point of view. Dr. Hyman keeps downplaying the incentives, and he won't face up to the fact that doctors will go along with a corrupt system because they need to feed their families. Tyna Moore makes good points, but she is too pessimistic about the cultural change needed to get obese parents to help their obese children adopt a healthy diet. It's not that difficult to change minds, if the right news sources and interest-groups are on your side. Look at how, in just a generation or two, many people have changed their minds about cigarettes, climate disaster, transing kids with hormones and surgery, telling people that seed-oil-corn-syrup concoctions (i.e., the nutrition shakes they give patients in the hospital) are healthful, that the covid vaccine is totally safe and fully tested. It's an information problem. But, of course, there are powerful people who don't want the truth to come out because it would reduce their power and money, so ordinary people are not getting the message. Until people like Oprah talk about the benefits of keto, change among the normies isn't gonna happen.

[@margomoore4527]

Most people are not open to nutritional advice. Even educated folks. My niece is a teacher; she is overweight and her husband obese. She has no interest in cooking. What they eat and allow their 8-yo kid to eat is horrifying. Not open to suggestions.

[@vivtodd2473]

Kids won’t eat school meals if it’s healthy. Parents are seen in supermarkets ASKING kids what they want to eat!

[@Rob-me8vp]

Provide no other options. I’m tired of working to pay for peoples breakfast, lunch and healthcare!

[@20monica70]

Started zepbound for weight loss and found it completely eliminated my chronic inflammation and pain in lower limbs. It was a love hate situation because although it helped with inflammation it also caused chronic constipation. Also stopped me from wanting to eat . I couldn't even eat healthy because the sight of any food made me nauseous. Due to the shortage I've missed 7 weeks of Zepbound. My inflammation and pain returned after 2 weeks off. I did lose weight only because I couldn't eat any food. I regained the weight during the 7 weeks off due to shortages.

[@kristiemowry3267]

Such a great discussion! Wish my GP would listen to you guys.

[@faithe54]

I think a good part of the obesity epidemic is psychological. Our culture does not promote or teach the importance relationships and how to make them flourish. We have become more isolated and stuck in the bubbles of our own littke families, instead of extending our families to include friends and acquaintances. We have also become a greedy society, with the wealthiest making the rules that benefit them and theirs, leaving the majority to struggle to pay for necessities, abd being overcharged by these wealthy companies who are given too much power over us by our politicians, who take their money to get reelected, get material perks, and/or get cushy jobs when they leave office. People overeat when they are lonely, or worried about money, or feels misunderstood, or uncertain about the future.