OZEMPIC EXPERT WARNING: 12 Risks You Need To Know | Johann Hari x Rich Roll

[@richroll]

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[@melaniecatchpole6024]

Alright, full transparency and accountability Yesterday I watched this and I was really angry at you rich because I felt you weren’t taking the struggles we face and our traumatised backgrounds into consideration Having had the night to think on it I’ve come full circle. I’ve deleted my comment that said as much and I would like to learn to eat and do the three months that you talked about just shut off the food noise was learning a new way of living. How do I do that?

[@richjohnson749]

I'm 60 yrs old. My bmi is 36. So, I have about 55 pounds to lose. I have sciatica. And arthritis in my knees From years of working Manual labor. I started taking WAGOVI 6 weeks ago. I have noticed my Inflammation And Pain have gone away. Completely ! And I have lost about six pounds. No other side effects. What So Ever??? Granted, it only has been 6 weeks. So we shall see... But I will say.I haven't felt this Good In Years !! By the way blood work is perfect.

[@janicebourdage3567]

Rich, I am consciously choosing to only keep my remarks in the positive, remarking only on what I experienced and observed with Johann. He came across as intelligent, realistic, open-minded, transparent, well-researched, non-defensive, highly focused, and very compassionate. He also demonstrated excellent listening skills, marked by a wonderful sense of humor. At no point did I sense he was pushing any sort of agenda. What he did not evidence was defensiveness and a holier-than-thou attitude. No matter what was presented to him, his response was so open, so well-informed, and so compassionate towards the human condition, that I found it very inspiring and a lesson to all of us on how to dialogue in an intelligent and responsible manner about controversial subjects.

[@BlushingForeigner]

Couldn't agree more. I appreciate his compassion and nuance on this topic.

[@Coopernicuss]

Well said Janice.

[@SilviaPunkinMathis]

I completely agree. Well said, Janice. I would also offer that the fear of judgment isn't limited to people who take Ozempic, Munjaro, or Wegovy. We live in a society, particularly the part fueled by social media that can be 'graceless' and fully judgemental. This same vitriol is leveled at folks who achieve anything beyond what 'we' believe is possible for us. #kindness #grace

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Holy MACKeral...what a well said comment. #impressed 😊

[@rachelwallace2392]

I’m really glad this comment is at the top. I have never had such a hard time watching and listening to Rich. Of course we all have our values and prospectives, but he was frequently countering data with personal opinion and ideology and THAT feels both unhelpful and limiting. If you are ever so certain of your own perspective that you can’t hear data with curiosity and compassion then you’re stuck. Shaming someone into anything with the “come on man” attitude is WHY it doesn’t work. Talk about triggering. This is the first time one of his interviews has really triggered me. I’m tremendously impressed with how Johann stayed open and managed to steer clear of defensiveness not only of himself but of the data.

[@melissadelaney8643]

i took ozempic over 3 years and slowly lost 30 kilos. i am plant based and do a lot of yoga, walking and meditation. i've been off ozempic for 5 months and maintained a 'healthy' weight. for me, ozempic helped me to implement structure around my approach to eating, i consciously used my time taking the drug to train my body and my brain with aim to continue and build on the experience of weight loss. my relationship with food now is around joy, pleasure, a sensual experience, nutrition, health, longevity. i'm determined to continue my love of food (compared to the past disordered relationship) for the rest of my life. also, i had a supportive medical doctor and monthly meetings with her.

[@bobjary9382]

Why are we getting obese ? LiikeHari mentions briefly, photos of ordinary folk from the 70s are not obeae they look like track stars compared to 2024 man. And this is down to our industrialised food system . We dont need drugs , we need to stop being half dead wage slaves

[@heyalexiajanee]

That's awesome! I'm struggling. Do you have any extra? 😂 I pray you continue on your journey in good health

[@melissadelaney8643]

@@heyalexiajanee hi alexia, thank you so much. I appreciate your kind thoughts and support. i'm in australia and there is a shortage here. i've stopped taking it since january and so far so good. i'm plant based and do a lot of walking and yoga and meditation which helps me stay focussed. & listening to a lot of motivational pod casts is good. it is a constant practice for sure.!! xo

[@heyalexiajanee]

@@melissadelaney8643 oh that's awesome! I was plant-based for awhile but fell off. Gotta get back on track because I really love fruit. I'm here in the US where there appears to be a shortage too. It sounds like you're doing good on it. I say utilize all the tools you can in life🤗

[@fratusd]

That's absolutely amazing and that's what this drug is meant for this guy doesn't seem to be changing his diet at all and kind of doesn't really seem to care and he just rather take the pill forever a shot whatever

[@kardste8114]

I appreciate your guest’s honesty and transparency. Hard to admit he had M and Ms for breakfast- but he is sharing his truth and being vulnerable. I admire that! 👍💜

[@anro2697]

Was it hard to admit though ? Feels like he got a free pass to eat fried chicken and m&ms for brackfast.

[@ash231]

As nurse, I've recently cared for multiple patients who have been hospitalized due to uncontrollable vomiting after their ozempic dose was increased. I had one patient who came in already severely dehydrated, and then proceeded to dry heave for the next 48 hours. Nothing helped but time. And he was under the care of a doctor the entire time leading up to this hospitalization. Keep that in mind before trying these drugs folks. I don't know about you but dehydration and dry hevaing until the vessels in your eyes burst sound like a hard no to me.

[@bettyglick2679]

Agreed. I also work in healthcare and have seen horrific consequences from these medications. All while not addressing the root issues. All it does is make it okay to continue eating horribly, just less of it. It is not easy, but it is simple.. eat simple Whole Foods, get outside, move your body..

[@shelleybuerer4502]

Have you seen people die of heart disease, complications of diabetes too?

[@bettyglick2679]

@@shelleybuerer4502 the root cause of this is poor food and lifestyle choices as we all know. Drugs are a great bridge, but not an indefinite solution. If not used as just a bridge to changing the root cause, all it does is more deeply perpetuate the problem. It becomes a vicious cycle and more people will continue to suffer from heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, most of which is preventable through lifestyle changes. But these meds make it ok to continue doing all this. Of course there are people that benefit from these meds. I fully know the sequela of all these diseases, I see it daily. But big pharma cannot be a forever fix.. they want us sick forever.. $$$

[@ash231]

@shelleybuerer4502 Of course. I use to worked in a cardiac unit, so I've seen more heart disease than most. But few people actually put the effort into trying a heart healthy diet, ozepmic is not the best option or even the first line option.

[@jmh1144]

Same thing happened to my cousin. She would get horrifically sick but she didn’t care..crazy!

[@saraoblakspeicher]

As a former elite athlete, will power has never been lacking for me. But after my second child, my hormones went haywire, I gained 40+lbs eating less than my kids, and all my dr said was, "You're tall, you carry it well." I am one of those individuals who invested a ton of money in trainers, mindset work, nutritionists, and plant-based diet. Aka lifestyle change. It worked a bit but then bounced right back (and then some). Over and over again. All this to say, naturally-fit people, people with great genetics, etc. claiming obese people should just get their shit together is like millionaires shouting that the poor should just get it together. Or those with many kids suggesting that those with fertility issues should just get themselves together. Bottom line - it's not all that cut and dry, black and white, much less simple. What's worse, it's never about the person's best interest, only what drives corporate, pharma, healhcare profits (which are also institutions funding carefully designed "studies" to support their mission).

[@teedee643]

Exactly! Im in the same boat. Deficit, Exercise and weight training 5-6 days, eat clean, trainers… but also, fibroids and peri and female hormones out of wack causing constant gain! Willing to try this to get the weight under control before I become at risk!! No one understands female hormones, even doctors and what they do, they treat it with vitamins that may work for a short time or other meds…

[@lhoising]

Same. I never was an elite athlete but am tall and have more muscle than most women. I used to do yoga like 2x per day and walk 4-5 miles and eat vegetarian or Mediterranean or keto and it never really worked. I didn't gain weight sometimes but I didn't lose. Until I lived in South America a year and I just melted away. And I ate more "junk" but whole foods (empanadas and papa rellenas yum). I had less stress. I could nap. It wasnt sustainable I need to go back to a "real job" in the states. And the only time I've been thinner and actually felt better was that time in South America. This whole get skinny and glow and have more energy hasn't been my experience. If anything my metabolism slowed and made me more tired when dieting. This medecine takes that away for me. I also this far have almost no side effects. I am changing lifestyle factors that I can. And I kind of hope if it takes a year to lose the weight, I can stabilize it a year at maintenance and overcome adaptive thermogenics. But this guy thinks in 3 months you've changed enough habits has never just been starving all the time. I am almost 3 months in trying to stay at the lowest dose and I am still hungry often, it's just kind of muted a bit and I can sit here with it. But it is a struggle every day. There is no way someone feeling how I am can just change in 3 months how their biology has been trained to be for 40 years.

[@Sarie2727]

Exactly. I eat healthier than most ppl and can’t lose weight I’m fit. Took Ozempic and still lost little. Tired of the other side making claims that it is our behavior. Btw I’m 73 on zero meds. Frustrating

[@robbielynadams1959]

What about those of us that have cronic pain and are unable to exercise! It's not that easy!

[@Chick4choice]

Nurse with extensive experience administering glp-1 meds to type 2 diabetics. Also used to be morbidly obese in my 20s. Diagnosed in my late 20s with hypothyroidism and eventually was diagnosed with hashimotos….so auto immune based hypothyroidism. Got a lap band in 2008 and lost close to 80lbs. Went to nursing school and started educating myself deeply on nutrition. Deflated my lap band during nursing school due to some side effects….maintained my weight loss, because, ta-daaaaaa the band was a tool that gave me time to educate myself and practice new habits. Eventually got down to close to 200lbs on a 5’10” frame eating low carb and exercising regularly. Got a tummy tuck to remove a hanging skin apron along with having my lap band removed as I didn’t feel I needed it any longer. Continued to maintain my weight loss and had long ago (well over a decade) had stopped fast food, sodas, processed foods for the most part. But still…. According to my bmi I am still obese. Still needed to lose 30lbs. Started tirzepatide 6 weeks ago on a fluke after seeing coworkers drop with it. I was already doing IF and longer fasts (dr. Fung) so this medication really just helps me extend my fasts so that I am now mostly OMAD. Already down 13lbs. Plan to use until I reach my goal weight of 180lbs. Mainly eating protein, walk and lift weights to maintain my muscle mass. Haven’t been nauseous. Touch of indigestion with spicy foods. Some constipation. Plan to continue for a total of 3-6 months. But again, using it as a TOOL! Not a quick fix.

[@meaningfulmakings]

Wish there was a community where people who want to use it as a tool (as I do) could support, motivate and inspire each other. BMI of 36. Seeing my Dr tomorrow to discuss taking Ozempic/Wegovy l/ ???? All I hear is you have stay on it for the rest of your life. Really? I got sober in AA. They tell you you will drink again if you don’t go to meetings. I stopped going to meetings at 8yrs sober. I’m now 26 years sober now - so perhaps people telling you that you have to take it for the rest of your life is not true either. Thanks for sharing. 💕

[@michaelparker3096]

Same view here I just started it never even heard of the craze just saw it on the news a couple of weeks ago. It really is a tool it's freed me from food addiction and is allowing me to change my lifestyle. It's given me freedom to make better choices and start building better habits. It's taken the edge off.

[@based8223]

Hypothyroidism, what a cope for fattys

[@brena4911]

Agreed. A tool. If you get off processed foods while you’re on it, you won’t have a those food cravings anymore.

[@anaclark5751]

Hi, I also have a lap band since 2010 that has slipped, not where it was placed. Can I ask, was it painful to have it removed? And recover afterwards?

[@NVSTGTE]

I really appreciated how honest Johann was. It gave me a great perspective of both sides of the Ozempic debate. I loved this podcast.

[@evilsensei8262]

Here I am losing weight (close to 1.5 lbs a week) following the plant based caloric density method. Lots of beans, legumes, potatoes, grains and vegetables with no oils/high caloric density foods/processed foods. I used to think I would never lose weight, be skinny. My BMI now is 23.6, aiming for a bit lower and i will go in maintenance mode. Exercise: 7k-10k a day, will start using weights in a few months. I am happy that I never used ozempic. Almost did. Was bombarded by ads even at the movies.

[@2CheekyRabbits]

That’s fantastic. Can you pls point me to any websites or YT channels you follow?

[@OnceUponATimeLori]

Same! 27 lbs and normals stats now. 1 year and 3 months in for me. So glad I addressed my own issues, learned to cook, grow food, and changed my relationship with self care.

[@mobydog99]

​​@@2CheekyRabbits Try "Well Your World" and Chef AJ, among others. So many share their weight loss processes.

[@shozzy_id]

Congrats!

[@darcey55]

Same, I lost 75lbs over 15 months eating WPFB no oil. I’ve maintained is easily for a year since. I just wish everyone knew how effective this way of eating is for weight loss. I had to go digging for the info and still had no idea how easy it would be until I started. Keep in mind I was overweight from about age 9-42 and trying every possible diet during that time. I truly believe this would work for almost anyone.

[@_alex_y.not_]

Rich's audible pain when he heard about 6yr old kids getting on Ozempic mirrored mine entirely. Oh man. That is alarmingly dire.

[@welanduzfullo8496]

whats the issue with that? the drugs have been developed since the early 90s the first drug trails were in 2000 and the first glp1 agonist have been approved in 2005, semaglutide's saftey and efficacy trials started in 2006 and approved in 2008. This drug class and type has been around for 20+ years, we know the long term side effects, effectiveness and safety. The hole "wE dOnT kNoW tHe loNg tErm sAfTey pRoFile oF tHeSe dRugs bRo" cope narrative is soooo fkkkingggg dummbbbbb

[@wonderlizz]

Ditto Wtf! Kids should not be able to take something like this. Are they taking it and sitting in front of a screen?

[@welanduzfullo8496]

@@wonderlizz they actually should be able to take something like this without question

[@Denidrakes69]

You don't know who these kids are. They may have prader willi, they may have another chromosomal abnormality that affects how they manage food. They may be on large amounts of prednisolone for another issue....You just don't know...

[@infinitedreaming222]

I had food noise in elementary school it was definitely related to trauma and there was no resources to stop the cycle. If I could have not ate school lunch and breakfast maybe it will would saved me from now having to take it to treat my pcos and finally get the weight moving down.

[@lynnadam5629]

So my A1C was a little high and my cholesterol very high. I have underactive thyroid and I'm on ozempic for 6 weeks and Im watching my diet eating healthy sand moderate exercise. I've had no side effects so far. I feel good . Lost 14 lbs so far in 4 weeks. I'm happy so far. Don't plan on staying on it long.

[@JDIY2023]

may I know what is ur A1c?

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

This drug bothers me on such a deep level. After being addicted to meth, cigarettes, and alcohol. Finally realized it was discipline or death. WFPB has been tremendous, my doctors now laugh at my health concerns. Just know, getting started is the hardest part. Staying the course is much easier once you’re seeing results. That outcome also silences your critics.

[@tmtb80]

Agree. Any drug that changes people's dopamine/serotonin networks can have very different outcomes and long lasting effects. Eek. Scary.

[@alleyinn1]

Are your addictions more important than others' addictions (i.e. food)?

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

@@alleyinn1 No, they’re both a component of the same root cause. The meth addiction was unique in that it was very clear that I was accelerating my own mortality. Sometimes I miss that feeling. Makes you dance as though it’s your last opportunity. I’m fortunate, as that lesson taught me that I can beat this feeling of emptiness. Food is more subtle, the repercussions often take decades to form. As such, the patterns can be much harder to break.

[@infinitedreaming222]

Well when you slip… because all of you white knuckling addicts do.. GLP1’s will be here to help you since it’s able to help ALLLLLL of what you mentioned. A lot people don’t lose weight on it but are able to find peace in other areas of their life that are not working - wake up.

[@brothermayihavesomeloops7048]

Exactly. It took me longer than I would like to admit to go fully vegan, despite being motivated by ethics. Now it's my new normal. I don't even think about it.

[@danielbristow3178]

I think Rich is being appropriately skeptical, but I also think his guest was very intelligent, self-aware and appropriately self-depreciating. Enjoyed this conversation although I’m scared for the future. 🙈

[@sirmaumur4056]

I think Rich was a bit too much above the frail and raw human being

[@leeniehasentered]

I have the same feelings of not being hungry when I do intermittent fasting and limit sugar and carbs. It's like once you break the sugar cravings, you are freed from the addiction of junk food and frequent eating. You also feel great and have a clear mind and good energy. It's free too!

[@davidr1431]

Yes and a change in that direction seems much more in line with mitigating the risks of using this drug eg LCHF will naturally include more bioavailability protein to address the muscle loss, will naturally have much less fibre meaning you don’t have to drink as much water to avoid constipation, and will change your eating habits away from the way of eating that got you where you are, and will naturally regulate your hunger she’s satiety signals as you come off the drug.

[@arnieg1703]

I'm trying to break my sugar addiction. Any advice? This is the worst addiction I've battled so far.

[@brendaedwards4982]

Free???

[@leeallen1556]

Amen

[@faemakes4988]

This conversation was a remarkable example of the ability of humans to discuss a sensitive topic they may not fully agree on. I have so much respect and admiration for both participants and thank Johann for his bravery, sense of humor and willingness to be vulnerable. My dream is that one day we push back and stop supporting the conglomerates getting fat off our unhealthy choices so they can be replaced by real food, healthy options instead.

[@n33n33pdx]

Lower income people don't always have time reflect amd look inward and grow. They're in survival mode.

[@debhole6629]

I was on Ozempic & your comment about waking up & not being hungry & how weird that'd felt cause you never experienced that before is spot on! Same for me. I explained to my doctors that I've been hungry my whole life. Food was always forefront on my mind. Planning your next meals a highlight with a genuine love of food! It was a gamechanger! For the first time in my entire w consumed by food. I was never hungry. I only ate when I needed fuel to keep going. When I did gave to eat, I'd have a few bites and I really wouldn't want any more. I was full/content. Never had I not finished my plate. I had no cravings & the weight fell off. I said obviously there's something about this drug it literally tells your brain you don't want to eat. For the first time I didn't have to fight my brain, my body cause it wasn't screaming at me FOOD! NO matter your willpower, you cannot sustain a lower weight for the long haul! It really isn't my fault. The brain is lacking something or has the wrong message in regards to our attitude about food. Something to turn off the food obsession. There's a key here as to why we continue to gain weight. I had never been in a normal weight category in my life. I was experiencing what it felt like to be normal, not obese. How people that aren't overweight are treated by society.. How it felt to be connected in life, more confident. I wanted all of that....just to feel what it felt like, to be thin just once in my life. I wanted it so badly that I ignored some signs that I was in trouble. I lost alot of weight, but I lost a lot of muscle mass too. I was violently vomiting, had a distended abdomen feeling like I was having obstructions. I had god aweful & huge volumes of gas. I was nauseated constantly & was so weak I couldn't get out of bed. But I wanted what I was promised this drug would do. I've now felt what life feels like when you're not putting so much time & energy into food & other things you can accomplish with that gained time. I told the doctors There's more about this drug that's crucial to eliminating obesity & all its complications for good. But I felt like Olympic was killing me. So my doctors stopped it immediately. I was pissed at my bodies response to Olzempic. Even more so that despite the fact I didn't increase my food intake going crazy & as my GI system settled down I was able to tolerate food but it took a long time. But ALL the weight I had lost on Ozempic immediately packed right back on, even before I could physically consume enough food to substantiate that amount of wt gain in that amount of time. That's how much our brain needs something to make that switch for obesity to disappear. For those that don't experince any negative side effects, the benefits of taking Ozempic are life changing and improved overall health long lasting.

[@cynthiakozorosky2580]

You need to try other types of peptides. Trizepitide is one that worked for me- no side effects! I am on a very low dose, even a drop works for a lot. .25 up to 2.25 is good! You try and keep going up a little bit until it’s good for you! Then stay on that amount! The problem is that these companies of your dosage every month and these sausages are way too high and that’s what causes the symptoms. Look up Dr. Tyna Moore she explains all the evidence of Microdosing the GLP 1’s and the benefits so that you can be on them and not feel guilty or shamed and they’re good for you. They’re natural peptides that your body makes anyway.

[@jenbidding4544]

I came here to recommend the suggestion of Dr Tyna Moore as well. She suggests taking much smaller doses than what big pharma recommends… please check her out. I wish you all the very best on your health journey 🙏🏼

[@nancypadulsky9683]

Anyone hear/use Modere? Curb/Sculpt?

[@cynthiamason2716]

There are hormonal, genetic and environmental triggers that affect weight in addition to the simple equation of diet and exercise. I lost 65 pounds by adopting a low carb, anti-inflammatory, whole foods, intermittent fasting lifestyle with daily exercise. I'm am at a normal weight, however I still battle with inflammation due to lipedema so decided to microdose semaglutide. These peptides have benefits over and above weight loss. Done right, these peptides are not just a bandaid.

[@BetterDays_Now]

Examples ?

[@marypereira1008]

Who says we are not trying to untangle the knots, Rich? I.appreciate so much your guest's honesty.

[@junanneownbey623]

Hi everyone. I had the gastric sleeve two years ago. I was 405 pounds. (Mind you I was always a normal weight until I was 34.) I am also mentally ill. I now weigh 175 pounds. I was a product of 14 plus mental medications over the years that now have been shown to increase hunger and also cause metabolic syndrome. Now at 55, I’m back to my healthier weight. I was warned that I would pick another vice after surgery. I may not be the norm, but this is the best I’ve felt physically in 20 plus years and chose no other vice. My point is if you don’t discover and repair your mind, there is nothing that will help be it a shot, surgery or any thing else. God bless everyone.

[@pamelawoodsum8608]

People are healing everything with the Carnivore diet, it's so easy. Drugs have serious side effects.

[@m33265]

Carnivore diet.

[@Wendys_lovinglife]

This conversation is incredible! I'm listening as I'm getting ready and cleaning the house on a Saturday morning and keep finding myself rewinding segments to listen to them again. Insights galore! I'm 57 and very healthy and fit and dedicated to lifelong health and wellbeing but I have sisters and other family members who are obese and have tried these drugs and intermittent fasting and other things but they always give up on them the very first moment of discomfort (and one of my family members is a doctor). I think I need to read Hari's book because I do grapple with survivors guilt but I have a lifetime of making good choices and taking setbacks as challenges not excuses to quit.... Just every moment of this conversation was a lightbulb moment for me and I want to thank you for these videos. They are moving and nudging me and challenging me in little and large ways every single time.

[@HurricaneIrene07]

Humility is key

[@900miniatureponies]

Tried it for a few months. Gained 30 pounds over the pandemic. Loved that I didn’t crave snacks, and that smaller portion sizes were totally satisfying, hated the constant nausea and inability to enjoy red wine.

[@JumpAndStretch]

I truly appreciate Johann Hari’s empathy, respect, depth of research and his non-judgemental stance on this topic. I learnt a few things today.

[@rp338]

one thing i appreciate about Monjaro is that my brain and body is no longer screaming at me to overeat. It is much more manageable to have “personal responsibility” when you aren’t fighting your own biological signals. i do agree that our food system needs an overhaul

[@andyharperarbo138]

I learned that my coworker was taking this drug, she stated she had a hard time eating anything in the morning and keeping anything down. She lost all kinds of weight too. Then I ran across the possible side effects from this drug, and decided to warm her. She said she was aware, but wanted to lose more weight. She hasn't been to work in months.... I don't believe she will make it back either. There are other alternatives besides drugs people!!

[@MarthaHenson-zp1kw]

Chemical starvation 45:38

[@nurselisafoy]

People need to decrease their dose of they can’t eat!

[@andyharperarbo138]

@@nurselisafoy People shouldn't be taking this medication period!

[@martalulek4839]

Maybe she got thin and sexy and found a better job :)

[@Katherine-f9q]

​@@andyharperarbo138who are you to tell someone shouldn't be taking this medication it's none of your business

[@regmirvis]

Incredible conversation. A stellar example of a polarizing discourse that did not descend into any nastiness but rather showed utmost respect to learn and understand more. Lastly, I have three Rich Roll words that will forever stay with me: deleterious kind of indicia

[@wendymarie612]

Please, please, PLEASE, get Dr. Susan Pierce Thompson on the show!! She teaches and researches Food Addiction and has a lot to say about these drugs and food addiction.

[@rachelkogan4799]

“Bright Line Eating” I did BLE, for a long time but fell off the wagon. But it truly is the best way to stay healthy. I wonder what her perspective is on Ozempic and Wagovy and such drugs.

[@wendymarie612]

@@rachelkogan4799 I asked her on a coaching call and she said if you need to use it, do it.

[@presterjohn1697]

When Johann said, "I'll be taking ozempic for the rest of my life," I believe with all my heart a pharmaceutical executive got his wings.

[@alisonbates4186]

Ha ha such a great comment

[@JrayAloha]

Until there’s a shortage &/or and civil action lawsuits. Then all these Ozempic-for-weight-loss addicts will have to address their true weight issues

[@presterjohn1697]

@@JrayAloha Spot on. We've been here before with recalled poison pills. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

[@marilynbarker3257]

Such a great comment !! Lol

[@ColeLynn]

This makes no sense. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that you have to take accountability. If you have an eating disorder seek help. Not ozempic. If you’re lazy accept it and do something about it. I said what I said.

[@megalosing5900]

My motivations are solely health. I’m celibate over a decade. I’m in a walker and I’m disabled. I’m trying to get out of the walker. You can say all you want but I need to everything I can to get rid of my extra 150 lbs.

[@jodestella2746]

Hang on … you can… you will.. visualize your success as you start your favorite hobby… doing something like knitting, making jewelry…drawing, writing or whatever… the fun in you will start to show. 💙oh yes, vote blue .

[@nonchablunt]

a good therapist can help.

[@kathleenc5345]

I love seeing 2 intelligent people disagree and talk about why they have different opinions. I’ve directed people to this podcast as a model for how we can talk to people who disagree with each. Thank you!!!!!!!

[@Eddie_King_Jr]

I’m 450 lbs and mid 50s. I’ll take my chances when it comes to side effects.

[@tralasong]

I'm only halfway through the video but have appreciated Johann speaking on this topic before. I wanted to say that as a woman who has struggled with my weight [not obese levels, mind you] most of my life I would have jumped at the chance to take this Magic Pill. The body image issues were pretty deeply set. [I just turned 59.] But after digging into some emotional and mindset issues I recently lost 60 lbs without even thinking about it - as I was focused on and determined to essentially re-program my very unhealthy thinking. I didn't even know that was an option. I didn't imagine or expect weight-loss would be an additional result/benefit of these changes. I shudder at the thought of where I'd be had I gotten ahold of Ozempic instead. I believe there is a place for it for some people. But we should all proceed with caution and anyone choosing this route - have proper guidance and care. Thank you both for this conversation. xo

[@notesfromleisa-land]

Thank you for sharing your success story.

[@sharonpetty2305]

What you did is an example of the duality I spoke.You can not ONLY take the drug

[@mapsrcool1]

Rich, congrats to you for pushing back - and doing it diplomatically but strongly. IMHO it doesn't take a genius to know that this will not end well.

[@alexkovacevic2029]

Dont be scared like a little boy

[@roxannamurray3865]

I've just begun Wegovy and it's like a miracle for me. Not having all the food noise, not worried about what I can have when can I have it... I feel full with less and I've never felt full before. Not like this. I've overate and felt like I'd be sick from that but now i am satisfied and don't feel compelled to clean my plate. It's a personal miracle in that alone.

[@shureenaimar6159]

What a GREAT conversation! I really appreciated learning more about Ozempic. I’m also 40 lbs overweight and have struggled to get this weight off me. I will never give up different ways to lose weight and I do not want to try this drug because it’s not fixing the problem. I couldn’t stop listening to this. Thank you both for such open and honest discussion about Ozempic and obesity. I’m grateful to you both.

[@orzabelle]

He's a great guest - humble and reflective and a good listener.

[@BlushingForeigner]

To clarify, the way "semaglutide" lights up the brain is because the molecule - GLP-1 RA - treats metabolic dysfunction. Semaglutide as well as Tirzepatide (Novo Nordisk's drug is the former, Eli Lilly's is the latter) are currently being studied (phase 3 trials I believe) for their protective abilities in early-Alzheimer's patients. It's a GOOD thing that these GLP-1s reach the brain. The working theory is testing if GLP-1s can improve cognition and brain function by strengthening the functional integrity of neurons, fighting inflammation and improving vascular health to slow the progression of the disease. This theory builds on what researchers found in the way semaglutide improves the progression of Type 2 diabetes, a disease of the pancreas also correlated with metabolic dysfunction.

[@sirmaumur4056]

This was the interview of a well researched writer, who is amazingly honest and transparent by a presumptuous know it all who thinks he is above all human frailty. .

[@annetcell-ly4571]

I’ve been low carb for 5 years. I fast intermittently. Consequently I stimulate my own GLP-1 hormone so I’m never hungry and only eat until satiated. It works for me because I have a disciplined mindset and I’ve learned about healthier lifestyle choices. Not everyone can do this and Ozempic gives them a kick start until they’ve lost enough weight to become active, do exercise and feel confident enough to ( hopefully) take responsibility for themselves.

[@lindahurley5642]

Wonderful podcast discussion about the weight loss drugs. I’m thinking about asking my doc about getting on wegovy this week. Been struggling with weight for a long time. It’s starting to cause some real health problems and risks. I’ve been there and felt the pain, done the work…but sometimes stuff gets insurmountable and snowballs and it’s nearly impossible to get out of the cycle. This is especially true with people of lower means than our host and their guest.

[@radfordkapp]

I am taking Ozempic and have lost 30 lbs and experienced some of the same changes as Hari describes. What is frustrating me about this conversation is no one is introducing the fact not everyone who is overweight eats like Hari. I had the misfortune of being raised in a household with lots of chips, dips and Keebler, but I turned into a nature loving flower child and have been eating vegetables and fruits, grains, beans, etc in a healthy way since my 20s, and I've never been able to lose more than a few pounds here and there. I've always walked, hiked, canoed and practiced yoga since college but remained overweight. Then I was diagnosed with diabetes. I became more strict with diet, no sugar, no complex carbs, stopped even casual drinking, added workouts and more vigorous walking and lost four lbs in 90 days. Why then, did I not have the results Rich predicts? Ozempic has changed my life when food and exercise were doing little to move the diabetes needle. My A1c last week was 6%.

[@MikeCollinsCinemaMercantile]

Rich think everyone should eat plant based because he does. He also thinks no one should drink alcohol because he has addiction issues. Apparently he thinks obese people should just show some self discipline. Nothing against his guest who is there to promote a book but to call him an expert is crazy. There are so many well spoken and reputable experts he could have on if he wants to have an honest discussion about GLP1 medications.

[@limitisillusion7]

Do more strength training. Put on muscle to improve metabolic health

[@SilviaPunkinMathis]

I have been 100% plant-based, and vegan for over twenty years. I lift heavy and walk 8 miles a day, and practice kettlebell swings (ala Tim Ferris). I have practiced intermittent fasting for over ten years. By all accounts, I am healthy internally and have been for many years but... I have lost as much as thirty pounds, but keeping it off has always been difficult. I have struggled with that since I was a child. I will admit that I have also had a disordered way of seeing my body. The point is I am not morbidly obese. My BMI bounces between 25 and 30, but my body fat is only 25% (I am Black and Indian), so I carry weight differently. I can weigh 160 and wear a size 6. However, I have never consistently maintained my ideal weight where I look and feel my best. I am not saying these drugs are the answer but at this point in my life, I am willing to give them a try while maintaining my fitness regimen, and plant-based way of eating. I would love to know the outcome for those who practice a plant-based, whole-food way of eating, and a consistent workout regimen? I am going to pick up Johann's book and see what I see.

[@Denidrakes69]

I guess this is when calorie counting comes in. I don't know...I'm obviously not you, but whenever I've worried about weight I've counted calories to the gram. Weighed and counted absolutely everything that enters my mouth. I know not everyone can do that, but it has never let me down.

[@Kayte...]

​@@Denidrakes69 I basically have to do the same except I can't be bothered to actually count calories. I decrease my overall food consumption instead. Eat slower, smaller portions, and no seconds, and avoid eating as I cook. No snacking in-between meals except for an apple or orange. I basically have to skip a meal to actually lose weight. I have yet to figure out how much I can eat once I get to my ideal weight without gaining because I haven't gotten there yet. I get close but then too much food shows up here or there. Plus I really love food! I'm 67 and active, do physical labor so no weakling.

[@juliemidgley5287]

Incredibly interesting, and brilliant conversation. I have to say that Johann Hart is truly one of my all time favorite guests. Each and every podcast that you have shared together, is outstanding. Johann's research is above and beyond...his expressive and profound way of sharing his insight truly is one of a kind. THANK YOU BOTH, this Rich Roll, as always is pure magic.

[@HealthyEmmie]

Loved this convo! As a decade long WFPB gal, I have no desire to ever touch Ozempic. Scary to think about how it effectively slows down + shuts down your body….

[@zrienkersh1475]

Listened to a bunch and this is the best Ozempic discussion I’ve heard. Addicts get it.

[@amyredford4621]

Rich seems like a nice and sincere guy. He also seems like he has great self control. Therefore doesn’t realize other people do struggle with self control. Whether that’s with food, drugs, etc. I think if there is a tool people can use, like a GLP1, to help them start on a healthier path , that is a win! Most of us need help when we are struggling. He mentioned childhood trauma. I go to a therapist to help me through my childhood trauma. I’m not trying to stick it out and work through it on my own. I need help! I view Ozempic in this way. It is a tool to help one get on the path to being healthier.

[@heatherayris1685]

I just watched this episode and am so grateful for both men in this discussion. I have been WFPB for the last 7 years, and struggled with my weight since I was a 7 year old child, I am now 57. A family member at the time had grabbed my stomach and called me fat. I am also just, just figuring out how to finally drop my excess with. I have about 35 more lbs to go and I have lost 90, if Ozempic had been an option for me even 10 years ago I would have jumped on it. I also have 2 diabetic daughters, 1 of which is on the drug and I am worried about her. I find this conversation extremely difficult. Not just because of the seemingly ‘simple’ solution of finding out what the root cause is, but also the fact that so many like myself have lived as an obese person for over 45 years. 45 years of feeling the debilitating shame and discrimination of being overweight. Consider 45 years of trying daily, hourly to fight the chatter in my head that leads me to eat more than my body needs, and then fight the result of that. We wear our challenges on our body’s as overweight people, we walk in this world as public examples of our inability to conquer our weaknesses. Being obese is not a personal challenge, it’s one that’s fought under the lens and public criticism every time we walk out our front doors. I am so grateful I seem to at the moment have figured out this weight loss rollercoaster, but if I haven’t, my 46th or 47th year will most likely be on one of these drugs. I am grateful for such thoughtful, and respectful debate, you are both examples more of us should aspire to.

[@EowynRises]

Very well said. Being obese is debilitating, in many ways. Especially with the calorie in/out idea of "solving" the problem. My sister in law called it "the silent sadness". I recently read Jason Fungs Obesity Code. He apologizes in this book to all the obese people that had the wrong advice by doctors all these years. His IF method has finally helped me, together with an animal based low carb way of eating. It's the insuline resistence that is very often at the base of obesity and many of the diabetes related illnesses. If one adresses that, things change. At least, it has for me.

[@sybstaf3496]

Brilliantly said, I hope your weight loss journey is going well. I identify with your comments and currently starting my journey again…good luck to you 🤗

[@jenbidding4544]

I felt this so much. Thank you for sharing your insight.

[@hellenberger4236]

Thank you Johann for being so kind, respectful, human and non judgmental. Nobody is perfect and you were able to give so many explanations to your points with respect and accuracy. I did fight back some views (not yours) with my cell phone (hope nobody heard me fighting with my device in the middle of the night while i washed my dishes.) I have watched your interviews and you speak so well. ( I assume you write even better) so I will read your books and support you as a fellow journalist. Good luck.

[@reneespring834]

100% team Rich on the ozempic topic. Bandaid on top of bandaid. Pharmaceuticals are part of the problem, not the solution. It is like a bad sci-fi movie in real life.

[@debrastudebaker5791]

Love all the different facets of this medication that are discussed. Thanks for both being so humble and open that we aren't at the end of the journey.

[@lvalle-r6i]

Rich I’m so glad that you pushed back, as a 50-year-old woman I’m seeing this giant push on Ozempic type drugs and HRT both marketed as a lifetime commitment, i’ve spent half of my life taking care of my health so I don’t have to take pharmaceuticals, so why would I spend the second half of my life dependent on them? Both promise to lower the risk of heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimer’s, we all know that all medication’s come with a list of side effects, and usually people end up having to take more pharmaceuticals to counteract the side effects. There’s no free rides in this life in order to have true health requires making healthy choices every day, my grandfather lived to be 96 in great health, my grandmother is 94 and is in great health. They both walked regularly and ate whole food. what is deeply frustrating about these drugs is that big Pharma is the only one that’s benefiting from this!!! I feel this is a repeat of OxyContin disaster.

[@RachelBJ]

Ozempic has absolutely nothing in common with OxyContin.

[@j2jenison]

I would also assume that our level of individualism makes drugs like Ozempic even more appealing. Lifestyle change always works better in community - look at the Blue Zones and those who receive help in forms of community and sharing meals together (True North and the Esselstyn family). Ozempic doesn't require you to receive help and accountability from other individuals. It doesn't require much of you at all.

[@studentaccount4354]

It has unintended consequences like suffering from cancer. I think making real change by eating Whole Foods plant based in conjunction with other lifestyle changes is healthier.

[@ash231]

Oh this is such a good point

[@bettyglick2679]

This is a great point

[@alexandrakrasko383]

There’s a huge active Ozempic community- people on Reddit forums giving each other advice of how to decrease side effects, proper nutrition, maintenance etc. Also, realistically how many people trying to lose weight naturally are doing it in a community? Not any that I know of. There’s reason to be critical of the drug, but the whole “people don’t want accountability” is overblown. Just because something is made easier, doesn’t make it inherently bad.

[@ash231]

@alexandrakrasko383 Well weight watchers comes to mind for communities, they even had in person meetings for decades

[@johnmoore333]

I currently take ozempic, im 6 ft and I had been around 250 for the last 10 or 20 years but I had recently gotten up to 270 and I was pre diabetic with horrible addiction to sugar and just eating in general, I drive a truck all day so I would just eat out of boredom, I started at the beginning of the year and upped my dose monthly until i had gotten down the 240 and then I stopped taking it to give my body time to recover and reset for a month I noticed that my eating habits have changed I won’t eat sugar because I don’t want to be sick I use monk fruit in my coffee and I just ate better in general I have just recently re started taking it 3 weeks ago and it makes me feel better.

[@mcrisantasj8242]

What an enjoyable and inspiring podcast! Love that they can agree to disagree in an intelligent and non-judgmental way. Touching moments when Johann shared the story about his friend and Rich talked about growing, learning and evolving, etc. are part of resolving our deeper issues. Thank you!

[@4TheBees2024]

Will read Magic Pill. Thank you for this conversation. Totally activating. Grateful to hear insights and appreciate the part of me that judges obesity and food habits (heard in voice of Rich’s personal responsibility success story and our cultural food/drug schizophrenia vs my longtime inability to learn and untangle this knot of turning to food )Two of my friends are doing great on ozempic, feel free, helping diabetes and heart disease. I am watching, listening to their freedom of not being hungry . Understand Johann and Oprah with TLC and those of us who have worked hard to unsuccessfully change eating habits,heal obesity, and have continued to fiercely battle hunger to varying degrees since adolescence. I appreciate hearing Johann’s concerns for people w eating disorders. Johann and Rich are mirroring deep inner conversations of my inner dilemma solving how to live in our culture and time without inner food war and healthy peace

[@OuttaThisWrldXx]

Just lost 4lbs and I'm only on my 2nd week . I'm never hungry anymore and when I do eat I eat very small amounts. I feel so full really fast. I'm not having any nausea or anything as well. I'm type 2 diabetic but not for long ❤

[@MyBodyTV]

Ozempic= food industry & pharma 🤝

[@thenextgreat8652]

👆

[@eslom1489]

Yes, both devils benefit.

[@giftedtodance]

I was thinkin the food industry would not benefit due to people eating very little and very minimum. Less revenue for the food industry.

[@LWin-ps8jp]

​@@giftedtodanceThe packages are getting smaller and more expensive. The food industry will not lose money. Plus this drugs will continue to rise in price with part of the population not being able to afford it. This isn't the first drug that's side effect is weight loss and the food industry didn't collapse then.

[@venusavenue1722]

that is the BEST comm I're read until now about Ozempic

[@stevendenverlario]

Long but fascinating discussion. I appreciated hearing the ideas and opinions of the interviewee and author, Johann Hari. He’s really well informed and I love his presentation and style of interaction. Such a gentle English way about him. His mannerisms exemplify much of what I love about the British. Perfect interviewer too in a way, Rich Roll, a skeptical, ‘get it together and show some willpower, fatty’ whole foods planted-based diet type guy. He was a great foil and skeptic. And Johann deftly takes on everything he brings up. Check out 1:04:50. Cleverly done and Rich doesn’t even realize it’s a jab back at him. Very deft.

[@Toonces666]

If you give Ozempic to your children, you are nuts.

[@sandytw5229]

If you over feed & under nourish your children, you should be educated…..

[@sarahrobinson3934]

JoHann's response/story about that was heart wrenching, though. I could only feel compassion for the mom AND child in that scenario and not judgement..

[@MrSmith-zy2bp]

I make my teenagers go to the gym. They're not obese at all. One is even on the low end of his BMI but is muscular and in track. I'm forcing them to understand this is lifelong and lower the carb intake. Unfortunately for me, I'll need Ozempic one day as a type 2 diabetic. I want them to make sure my sons prevent it or forestall for as long as they can because it's highly genetic on my side of the family, Type 2s, and Type 1s.

[@rucing1011]

This guy, Mr. Johann uses so much common sense, self results, and research... he seems to paint a picture where we just get it!! Thank you, both for the conversation!!

[@Biohackthefat]

You can actually mimic GLP one activation in the gut by eating the right types of foods and timing those foods properly throughout the day!

[@WFPB_4_Life]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@bettyglick2679]

Yes! If you eat Whole Foods… nutritionally dense meals… you will be much less hungry!

[@ellesab4873]

Oh my! You have completely missed the point of what was being said in this podcast. At the end of the day it’s not just about the food or the hunger. It’s the same as what’s at the root of any addiction. The emotional component that is not talked about or addressed. And obese people are then shamed for their addiction. I’m hoping to see some love and compassion brought to food addiction as we’ve seen when it comes to other addictions like alcohol 😢

[@bettyglick2679]

@@ellesab4873 I agree with your comment! It’s a real addiction. These drugs are an amazing option. I don’t think they should be taken indefinitely. The root cause of food addiction and obesity for that specific person should be identified and treated 🙏🏻

[@Starfish2145]

Yeah, well that’s not gonna happen with seriously obese people

[@alenaboltach8060]

What about people with binge eating disorders? Is this something that can be used as a way to create space between the huge desire that’s been wired into your brain over a lot of years to binge. As a way to create healthy eating patterns? Not as a way to loose weight, say they are not overweight to begin with? But as a way to quit sugar and the foods that drive the binge eating disorder?

[@rachelrieke3651]

Absolutely!

[@whattheelle360]

I’m about to start Zepbound. With it, I may not have “earned” the weight loss but as a CSA survivor, I’ve been punished enough.

[@pamelatipton2723]

Amen! I am dealing with a pituitary tumor and post-surgery body composition changes that are non-responsive to diet and exercise. Apparently I haven’t “earned” the right to return to my pre-tumor physique according to this crit. 🙄

[@irenedool1069]

I’m morbidly obese and have had type 2 diabetes for almost two years. I’m on ozempic it with glicklixide has really gotten my sugars under control along with distortion and living in a supportive living environment with 24 hour lpn care. I’ve a atrial fib since I was 43 and am now 48, I have lost 20 lbs but enough around my waist to fit comfortably in seatbelts in my families cars and I can go out more in the community. I don’t have side effects from it.

[@missstar3637]

GLP-1 is made by the human body. I am really stunned to read the shaming comments above and see how hard Rich pushed back without just letting Johann tell the story. This is where bias shows up for people who are “winning.” Some people try their hardest but still struggle with unwanted bodyfat. This applies to almost everyone women going through menopause. So glad for those amazing people whose bodies produce enough GLP-1 to maintain healthy weight and feel normal. But shame on you for shaming the side that you just don’t know. You should do your research on this or, if it’s not your thing, keep your mouth shut. GLP-1 peptides are life saving for many people. Something to keep in mind as you sit in judgment.

[@kfitz59]

I am about 140 pounds overweight and have struggled my entire life to lose it. I have had small successes that were short lived. I am hoping to start one of these drugs in the coming week. Johann’s explanation on this show and other shows has been a big part of my research into the potential effects of this medication. I have compared the possible effects of the meds to the likely consequences of not doing anything. I intend to stay on until I have maintained my goal for 6 months to a year and hopefully developed new habits. Thank you for this information.

[@michellelappin]

Rich, you're such a skilled and thoughtful interviewer. This is one of the best interviews of yours that I have seen. You should teach a master class.

[@shayshaymcrayshay]

I was diagnosed with diabetes in November of 22’ and put on Ozempic. Today I am 200 lbs lighter. I did have another medical condition that contributed about 30lbs of that but it changed my life. I honestly felt like I was in DKA for 2 years. I felt worse than when I was huge. Today I feel amazing but I have to worry about the long term affects of my digestive system being paralyzed. It just can’t be good on the heart or kidneys.

[@micheleferreira6337]

Huge respect for both of you. I am an avid Rich Roller. I just can't understand why the family heart disease was not the driving force to address the weight in the first place. It seems an excuse to use it as the reason to take and continue on the drug.

[@shanna.thesingingvegan]

I appreciate the both parties trying to see each other on the same plane, but yet share different points of views based on their knowledge, beliefs and experience. Great conversation!

[@jmh1144]

I could listen to this guy all day. Such an interesting speaker and of course the English accent!

[@davidr1431]

Except he has changed his “better” and “wetter” to “bedder” and “wedder”. To my English ears, this stands out. He is very inderesting though.

[@Cytogrrl]

There is such a stigma attached to this drug. My physician wants me on this mendication. I have resisted it for a year and I finally decided to take it. I'm feeling hopeful that this will help me. I am supported by mental health therapy, lifestyle medicine, nutritional counseling by a dietician, and physical therapy. My primary care physician feels that this foundation will help me be sucessful. I have several health conditions that will be improved by losing weight and only time will tell how I fare on this path.

[@northwestcoast]

Love Johann; he’s completely authentic and honest about his own food addiction. Very relatable 👍

[@Florica-d9d]

He is looking healthy and happy 😃👍🌹I am not agreeing to have this drog but my sister has got and is happy,healthy,but she has to do exercises to recover and maintain her muscles and to be a life stile thing 🤔 isn’t to bad 😊

[@harriet2446]

The host is the epitome of ableist. The guest was extremely well researched, calm and well reasoned. Backed by lived experience.

[@bitfinesse]

For me to not gain weight, I have to eat four pounds of steamed vegetables, two cans of no-salt beans, a potato and around 8oz-16oz of fruit. That’s as wild my diet can get before I start packing on pounds. I’m not that active. On days that I’m very active, I can add another piece of fruit or an extra potato if I got really really crazy. This is what it takes for me to not have to result to taking something like Ozempic. I also have a child. If we don’t want them to fall ill to these chronic diseases, we have to be realistic and honest about how we have to eat to be a normal weight. We aren’t the problem - the insanity of the world is the problem. There’s at least a thousand calories in a bag or box of anything. A meal for most people who aren’t that active should be around 600 calories. And a hundred calories over what you need will result in a shockingly large amount t of weight gain in virtually no time at all. Good luck to everyone. This is a tough nut to crack. Nothing but bad habits being promoted everywhere.

[@TinaA8863]

I really value you pushing back on all the arguments Mr. Roll. As it may be incredibly helpful to people who truly struggle with their weight, it should definitely be given only when having a full plan that entails exercise, nutrition plan, possibly therapy etc. To continue feeding your body trash is not going to solve the problem and having to use any medication for a lifetime is just a shame (if it is preventable). I have also struggled with my weight since I was a teenager. My weight has been going up and down for the passed 2 decades (I am 34). Although I’ve lived with insecurities and discomforts, I recognise daily that I am responsible for that. I can afford healthy food, I am surrounded by places that allow me to exercise without even having to spend money on gym memberships. I can’t blame it on anyone else, but myself and I tend to get my shit together as well and take care of myself, but my “excuse” is that I struggled greatly with my mental health and depression the last 7 years and chronic physical pains. This all is connected to my mental health and so for the last 2 yrs I have been going to therapy and it has helped me immensely. I also started exercising again at the beginning of the year and try to eat well. A huge part for why we are here is the food industry, but education and taking responsibility for oneself plays a massive role. Families should come together and fix this problem at their local schools. Parents need to educate themselves and their children on nutrition. There is soo much we can do in small and large communities to support one another. And the way to fight back on all those companies feeding us poison, is by educating ourselves, changing our behaviours one-step-at-a-time and not buying their products. Magic pills are just another poison offered to us to fill their pockets and destroy our lives. I was listening to your conversation and was not in the mood at all to go for a run this morning, but as I listened to you guys speak, I thought: “D, get the fuck out and running.” There is no way we can allow drugs like that to win and for us to lose. No fucking way. And finally- I find it nuts how easily and casually we talk about drugs being tested on animals. Testing heroin, alcohol, etc. on rats… Humans are just despicable. Not a thing we won’t do … I really appreciate this conversation. It is so important and thank you for writing the book. This is the third interview I have heard about this with Johann and it’s the first time he was actually being challenged. I think he appreciated that, even if it makes us feel uncomfortable at times when people hold a mirror up in our face. Johann I appreciate you and thank you for sharing your research. Love, D

[@davidr1431]

Yes to everything you say except that the implication that to solve their problem overweight people should “just…” and then follow it with exactly the thing they can’t do. Accepting everything you say about changing the circumstances that got you where you are, this drug is not a magic pill to avoid needing to do that, it’s the missing ingredient that allows you to do it.

[@lauram5846]

I am significantly overweight and have very complicated feelings toward these weight loss drugs. I found this interview extremely informative and I appreciated both being respectful of the other. I eat 80% WFPB with some success and am ready to commit 100% after seeing this. I've been offered these drugs by my PCP but declined due to the horror stories I've heard and especially how it changes your brain chemistry. And what is the point if you just gain it all back? But, MAN, I'd love the "food noise" to die down and believe me I've been tempted after a lifetime of dieting (I'm now 65), but there's not nearly enough long term research for me and I have to admit even though I'm very overweight, it feels like it's cheating with drugs and I'm not learning what is causing this in the first place. That's what I'm working on now. And then when Johann says he goes to KFC and eats M&M's, he kinda lost me there, though I did appreciate all his insights. I have to say I share Rich's point of view here and I plan to go 100% into a plant based lifestyle (maybe calorie counting with it to help as the "eat all you want" does not work for me). By far it's the healthiest way to lose weight and stay fit. Great interview I VERY MUCH appreciated.

[@sandytw5229]

18 years of research exists….

[@andyschulgasser8694]

You are brilliant to think for yourself and recognize this drug is not to be trusted, nor is any drug, and it’s very sad that big Pharma pushes on all the doctors to push on people, at the same time they are the ones pushing all of the toxic foods and drugs to get people addicted. When big Pharma is the cause of all disease, they are not the cure. Rich Roll Did everything the natural way, and we should all go back to nature. Big Pharma battles us all the way. They don’t want to risk losing their billions of dollars if everyone went to natural and healthy.

[@x.y.7385]

Carnivore...

[@julielincoln3789]

Yes! I have found a whole food plant base diet to be the most nurturing way to eat. I feel great and have kept my weight the same for over 5 years now. Most people have "snack attacks" per Chef AJ, but on a primarily whole food plant based diet your body can recover quickly. Thankfully we now have podcasts like Rich Roll's and Cef AJ's who educate and encourage others about a healthy lifestyle. Drugs for weightloss may be a tool for some if they can handle the side effects and they then can move towards a healthier life style. Either way lifestyle changes are needed to promote good health and longevity. That is where personal responsibility is needed. Thanks Rich for a great interview.

[@jenniferduncan2074]

Keep with it Laura and I would love to have a conversation with you about this. The horror stories usually only tell part of the story. Best wishes to whatever you choose is right for YOU.

[@ruthmccambridge9579]

What about taking Ozempic for three months and combining weight training, low carb high protein diet and take off the 10 pounds and then continue with the ketogenic diet and working out I think working out helps prevent muscle mass

[@amherst410]

This was a great interview and I appreciate listening to different perspectives. Wegovy turned off my "food noise". It enabled me to make healthy food choices without fail and helped me stop eating after dinner. (The only downside was that it didn't make me want to exercise.) Unfortunately, although prescribed by my doctor at UCLA AND covered by my health insurance, I could not fill my prescription due to scarcity issues. I finally went through a Zoom company, and I'm back on a compounded GLP-1 injection paying out-of-pocket. My awesome UCLA medical insurance was useless because so many people who don't qualify for the drug are taking it.

[@robyniaea5172]

Rich, you bring up such important aspects of this movement, especially including lifestyle education early on if a person makes the choice to use these drugs. Bravo for your insight and genuine concern for fellow humans. I also applaud Johann for being transparent and respectful. He has done his research. It’s difficult not to feel conflicted when we all know if people ate a healthy PB diet and moved their bodies. It’s the old pleasure trap.

[@Crisjovi1]

I really love Johann Hari's work, but Rich did an amazing job confronting everything that's wrong with this drug. Great talk!!

[@midwestkatie4]

He is very good at giving the impression that he is speaking off the cuff as he shares his experience. After you watch this go watch his interview with Mayim Bialik. Identical, right down to the hand gestures and grammatical pauses.

[@presentlybikepacking2535]

You're basically starving yourself, and what little you do eat, if it's non nutritional food, your body is both starved and poisoned. How much crueler can we be to ourselves??

[@lhoising]

I am currently on a similar drug. I'm not starving. I'm eating 500 cals below tdee which is how anyone who loses weight does it. Only I was doing it for years before I got the medicine and losing 0-.1lb/week. Now I'm losing a doctor recommended 1-2 lb/week. I've also always ate a ton of veg and had extensive gardens, can my own food etc and still gained the weight. The thought that you're starving if you take and all obese people are gluttons eating buckets of KFC. No offense to Johanns lived experience but I've never eaten buckets of KFC. I am using my time not starving 24/7 to eat more whole foods because I have a kid who I don't want to become obese. But we already ate probably 60+ percent whole foods. I just was hungry 24/7. Stomach grumbling hungry.

[@bitfinesse]

For me to not gain weight, I have to eat four pounds of steamed vegetables, two cans of no-salt beans, a potato and around 8oz-16oz of fruit. That’s as wild my diet can get before I start packing on pounds. I’m not that active. On days that I’m very active, I can add another piece of fruit or an extra potato if I got really really crazy. This is what it takes for me to not have to result to taking something like Ozempic. I also have a child. If we don’t want them to fall ill to these chronic diseases, we have to be realistic and honest about how we have to eat to be a normal weight. We aren’t the problem - the insanity of the world is the problem. There’s at least a thousand calories in a bag or box of anything. A meal for most people who aren’t that active should be around 600 calories. And a hundred calories over what you need will result in a shockingly large amount t of weight gain in virtually no time at all. Good luck to everyone. This is a tough nut to crack. Nothing but bad habits being promoted everywhere.

[@RachelBJ]

What part of Ozempic is poison? It's GLP 1, which the human body already produces.

[@carman59]

You know, if you just Eat the same amount of calories less than you burn and don't take drugs. You will literally lose the exact same amount of weight, this is One of the laws of thermo What? dynamics

[@teresakersten9090]

I loved this conversation so much - even when i had no real emotional investment in the topic. It was a master class in healthy discourse, with so much compassion and grace. Johann was so engaging. I loved him. 10/10

[@banditbabyyy]

Undiagnosed mental illness is rarely talked about in these discussions. ADHD, depression, anxiety, biopolar disorder, and other psychological factors can contribute to yo-yo dieting and obesity. Even if you’re diagnosed, it can still be hard to maintain healthy habits. Simplifying weight loss to “will power” and “personal responsibility” fails to recognize these complexities despite the fact that many overweight/obese people are impacted by it and don’t even know it. At most, they can’t even afford to get it treated, much like the issue of affordability with GLP’s.

[@hikechoco]

I’m not taking Ozempic . I am taking phentermine. Only taking half a pill. It has curved my appetite. Only on the 3rd day of taking it. I feel it definitely helps with me not eating sweets, and fast food which is my weakness

[@susank5289]

Thank you RR and JH for a spirted discussion!

[@lisaa5026]

Constructive conversation. I think the subject matter warrants this deep dive analysis. I appreciate the rigorous honesty from both. Well done!

[@marie-linedeslauriers4339]

Thank you Rich for having all these people ….always interesting !

[@OgFurious1]

Been eating carnivore diet for a month and felt great. When I eat anything else I get really bloated and feel terrible. Once I break the carb and sugar addiction, I’ll be on a strict meat and egg diet.

[@rachelrieke3651]

Eating red meat is the way!

[@pamelastone7531]

ABSOLUTELY YOUR BEST INTERVIEW EVER RICH… and your interviews are nothing short of epic always, but this one was in the stratosphere. Thank you for executing, examining and expressing yourself in the brilliant and honest way you did on this topic. It was so powerful the way you would question or counter various information as it was presented. This interview really allows the audience to get a vast perspective of the different benefits and risks involved in the use of this drug. Absolutely outstanding.

[@ShecalledmeLizzy]

I’m have read his book and listened now to 2 podcasts with Johann. I am also struck when he says he’s gone to KFC and m&ms and donuts while on it. He definitely needs to work on his eating habits and how to cope in a more healthy way.

[@Romero480]

Really appreciate your thoughtful and critical contributions to this conversation, Rich. I cannot agree with the logic of the guest, so many flaws in his reasoning, he was all over the place.

[@KathleenGage-ot7we]

Fabulous episode. I know a few people who are going the Ozempic way and it does concern me. My solution to healthy weight is a whole food plant based diet. What is sad is that both with a WFPB and a drug like Ozempic, there are some socioeconomic groups that have access to neither. The convo was engaging and an eye opener. Great job bringing the spotlight to this topic Rich.

[@ileanagabrielacardenas2882]

Rich Roll is on point as always, this other guy tho, saying no one under 27 bmi should be on this drug, and he is doing exactly that! It’s heartbreaking

[@sarahrobinson3934]

Was his point about no one under 27 BMI for those STARTING to take it? Like those who want to lose weight for swim-suit season?

[@leelaa219]

He was obese when he started taking it. He still takes a maintenance dose.

[@nonchablunt]

you are wrong.

[@CherylJeffers-xn7tu]

And that’s why individuals who have BMI>30 can not get it and ozempic is meant for diabetics only wegovy is same but for obesity non diabetic Pharma is keeping these meds at high costs so many insurance won’t cover them & weight loss clinics are making $$$ for these meds

[@sarahjanicek802]

After watching this (while walking on a treadmill, trying to keep my weight in check because I struggle everyday), it makes me wonder…why are we not doing something about the shitty food that are surrounding us??? Why is everyone so willing to spend so much money on a drug but not healthy food??? I’m all for working smarter not harder but not at the cost of potentially killing myself. I’ll just keep working out, eating right, and learning from my struggle daily. Thank you.

[@healthyspineyoga5079]

At 1:43 Rich nailed it. "Aren't we here to grow and learn"

[@minyaw1234]

I take the medication, I changed my lifestyle - I exercise now, i didn't before. For me the medication, for now, has only had benefits, besides the first week where I felt nauseous.

[@broculorevoltado1955]

Thank you both for this episode! ❤These type of conversations are extremely important. I am a doctor and i have interned in bariatrics surgery and internal medicine, and i have seen the extreme amount of people that are morbidly obese. I have seen first hand the positive impact these treatments have on people’s quality of life. I definitely agree that a lot of people should take these drugs. However i agree with Rich! We need to use these treatments has a gateway to reframe the diet and lifestyle. We actually do this in the hospitals I interned in, and we saw lots of people adhering to a better lifestyle, most even came of the drugs. We also don’t know the full way of working mechanisms of these drugs. I think the only way to change these obesity epidemic is by educating and lobbying for a better food system. I also am worried about the pharmaceutical part of these problem. The pharmaceutical companies have shown use, time and time again, they will stop at nothing in order to make a profit. So it worries me that they will lobby against environmental changes because they know that by doing nothing they are guaranteeing the need for these drugs! What an amazing and important episode! Thank you both❤️❤️❤️

[@eliottrodriguez7425]

Stuffing also known as EATING YOUR FEELINGS! I've seen it and have been aware enough to see myself doing it.

[@marcellaflubacher8207]

I worry that too many of those taking these drugs are still eating ‘junk’. How will they not become malnourished and suffer the effects of that.