The Show with PJ Thum - Episode 3 - How Singapore's Elections are Qualitatively Unfair

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@thegoonist
@thegoonist 4 жыл бұрын
9:44 that childhood trauma though...well this escalated quickly LMAO
@lseucirvine732
@lseucirvine732 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. As always, you never disappoint. Continue to speak truth to power.
@NewNaratif
@NewNaratif 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! - PJ
@soonhengng1919
@soonhengng1919 4 жыл бұрын
What's so great. He is Chinese. He is Singaporean. Dr. M never liked chinese. Dr. M never liked Singapore. But this guy is good friend with Dr. M. Mr. Thum, dont talk so much. If you are good, please fight the PAP at the coming GE. 70% of our population and lots of foreigners praised Singapore and our ministers for job well done. You belonged to the minority. 3 cheers to PAP. You? Are you brave enough to stand for election? No point being noisy, because you can't change anything by being noisy.
@narwhalperson
@narwhalperson 4 жыл бұрын
@@soonhengng1919 lol bro your argument doesn't make any sense
@singaporeghostclub
@singaporeghostclub 4 жыл бұрын
Soon Heng Ng this guy (Soon Heng Ng) went Super Sayan on ad-hominem instead of UNDERSTANDING the message here. 🤦🏽‍♂️
@mingweifoo5186
@mingweifoo5186 4 жыл бұрын
@@soonhengng1919 Dr Thum is doing Singapore a tremendous service in his own way even without running for political office, by educating Singaporeans in a funny and engaging way about these pertinent issues that are never talked about in the mainstream media or our conventional education. Kudos to you @newnaratif
@TanChoonHong
@TanChoonHong 4 жыл бұрын
Great points presented in light hearted, easily digestible bites. Luv your battered retro enamelled mug. A memento from college days?
@NewNaratif
@NewNaratif 4 жыл бұрын
I bought it in Malaysia a long time ago. Can't remember when exactly :) - PJ
@descheong86
@descheong86 4 жыл бұрын
How are u able to speak so well for prolong period without looking at a script. That is world class presentation honestly. Either the script is in front of you, or you really internalised it.
@PancakezXD
@PancakezXD 4 жыл бұрын
Probably with a teleprompter, considering that particular way that he stares at the screen.
@sutitlai8566
@sutitlai8566 2 жыл бұрын
He's a goon.
@yujieleong8821
@yujieleong8821 Жыл бұрын
@@sutitlai8566 & you are ratioed, bro. Rest
@tusharsingh4543
@tusharsingh4543 4 жыл бұрын
What do we do? How do we topple the hegemony the PAP has over our politics? Will we ever have fair elections and the right to protest freely in Singapore?
@sihanchen7552
@sihanchen7552 4 жыл бұрын
As long as Singaporeans unite and collectively vote against PAP, no matter what cheating tactics they employ, they will not win.
@tonyteo1961
@tonyteo1961 4 жыл бұрын
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@jovinlai3717
@jovinlai3717 4 жыл бұрын
In my personal opinion, I think at the end of the day, Singaporeans need to focus on policies and systematic bias rather than focus on the identity of the political parties in power. They have to serve all citizens and we have to keep them in check. I think new naratif does a splendid job in educating the flaws in our system in an entertaining and credible way. Major kudos to you, PJ THUM
@iljesus
@iljesus 4 жыл бұрын
I'm totally enlightened!
@NewNaratif
@NewNaratif 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad! - PJ
@clementng7718
@clementng7718 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, PJ, you're the best thing that ever happened to local dog watching 😂👍👍
@Muditk17
@Muditk17 4 жыл бұрын
I think there is a very big difference between opposing the PAP on all fronts and opposing the PAP's un-democratic actions. I'm sure there are PAP sympathizers who can agree with a call for a stronger democratic system in Singapore.
@bernardsing
@bernardsing 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent resource for the young to be educated in alternative history and politics. Those interested can read the thesis of Chan Heng Chee, THE DYNAMICS OF ONE-PARTY DOMINANCE (quoted in shorturl.at/vzOV2 ). Her bio here - eresources.nlb.gov.sg/infopedia/articles/SIP_2013-05-22_121953.html. I discovered this amazing work while I was a History student at NIE, detailing how the PAP machinery with the control of grassroots organization ensured electoral success
@vulcankeave9292
@vulcankeave9292 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Thum historical lessons of events is educational at best. People sadly have lost the rights to critic government policies and to expose wrongdoings by government. In China, social media play a big part to get the government officials to behave righteously and to toe the line on excesses and abuse of power. A BIG serious problem of political infancy of Singaporeans is no one seem to read and understand their constitutional right ( or is there one in existence, lol ) and know how to exercise their civil liberties as citizen. Dr Thum may be the best lecturer to enlighten the people of their constitutional rights as well as to interpret certain important legislations enacted from time to time to simplify lots of vague clauses for easy understanding. Only when people realise what their rights are only then the fear factor of an unknown can be demolish and the society can be a fairer living environment instead of the current ignorance and fear of reprisal by excess laws enacted by a Mr Gummy Bear which is tightening the noose around Singaporeans creating an unenviable and global ridicule of police state.
@franconero7703
@franconero7703 4 жыл бұрын
Get rid of the PAP !!!
@teckhohng3870
@teckhohng3870 4 жыл бұрын
Talking is useless. Make a change at coming GE.
@geoklanlee9201
@geoklanlee9201 4 жыл бұрын
@@teckhohng3870 ik
@stevenyong3144
@stevenyong3144 2 ай бұрын
Became a ultra communi…
@excitedaboutlearning1639
@excitedaboutlearning1639 2 жыл бұрын
At the 13:00 mark the host makes an important point about framing. Framing is so powerful. The opposition is framed as not caring about the country and its people whereas the PAP is framed as the one doing everything it can in its power to improve things further.
@tmgasia
@tmgasia 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing how the number of seats keeps getting bigger but the quality of the pappies keeps sinking... political inflation?
@angelamagnus6615
@angelamagnus6615 4 жыл бұрын
Pappies = puppies? 😂😂🤣
@lamsunyong343
@lamsunyong343 4 жыл бұрын
it applies more for the oppositions, they have more seats, but we have more zou bo oppositions
@tmgasia
@tmgasia 4 жыл бұрын
@@lamsunyong343 afternoon ib... how many weeks did y'all have to sit in committee before you came up with that lame response?
@lamsunyong343
@lamsunyong343 4 жыл бұрын
@@tmgasia don't have to, just need to look at these few representations they made in parliament
@tmgasia
@tmgasia 4 жыл бұрын
@@lamsunyong343 really... so you think the lame responses and bully tactics by your bosses are the best ya? How much they paid you to sell your soul and integrity.... btw, was that response you just put up also approved by your ib bosses?
@cait9406
@cait9406 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr Thum! I learnt so much while laughing so hard at the emotional trauma bit!
@peterchew4018
@peterchew4018 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up sir
@NewNaratif
@NewNaratif 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! - PJ
@teckhohng3870
@teckhohng3870 4 жыл бұрын
This guy should go into politics and fight for justice in Parliament. Voters need a vocal representative like Thum to thumb down the arrogant PAP guys.
@butsoftwhatblight
@butsoftwhatblight 4 жыл бұрын
it's ok it's ok, you swam all the way from oxford to do this show, so the skills your dad forced onto you is serving the greater good
@teckhohng3870
@teckhohng3870 4 жыл бұрын
Go into the political area, Mr. Thum. You are more than qualified to serve the people's interest as a lawmaker in Parliament. You can make a difference and join the coalition team with Lim Tean, Dr.TCB, Dr,Chee and so many other capable and committed professionals to serve the Nation, unselfishlingly.
@leafmylife
@leafmylife 4 жыл бұрын
Great start. Interesting sharing about yourself
@NewNaratif
@NewNaratif 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! - PJ
@yeetusfetus8687
@yeetusfetus8687 4 жыл бұрын
@@NewNaratif sometimes, it's good to release the tension, and vent about your father that caned you when you lost swimming competitions and told you that PHDs and studying was useless
@emeraldhuang1638
@emeraldhuang1638 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this information.
@khadijahibrahim6152
@khadijahibrahim6152 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the information. It benefits society and all of us.
@kennyteo1711
@kennyteo1711 4 жыл бұрын
Support pj
@singaporeghostclub
@singaporeghostclub 4 жыл бұрын
PAP has all the wrong people for the right jobs in cabinet. Eg. Chan Chun Sing - 🤣🤣🤣
@jeangian1781
@jeangian1781 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is an embarrassment to SG ‘Cotton come from sheep’ CCS said on public media
@lamsunyong343
@lamsunyong343 4 жыл бұрын
Pritum Singh will be a embarrassment as the opposition leader as well if he does not pull up his socks based on his past records
@angelamagnus6615
@angelamagnus6615 3 жыл бұрын
@@lamsunyong343 Singapore is not doing that well...
@vincentowyong
@vincentowyong 4 жыл бұрын
The BEST CANDIDATE for the MINISTER for EDUCATION in Singapore is DR PJ THUM.....period......and he should also be nominated for recognition by Pulitzer.Org.............
@seanseah333
@seanseah333 4 жыл бұрын
Climate is always changing as long as the birth of Mother Earth. The question should be, what is the degree of impact by these man-made operations? If the impact is high and substantial, what alternatives can we do to progress from the current situation towards a direction which will turn the numbers around?
@mash_oz7127
@mash_oz7127 4 жыл бұрын
There about 2mil prc who holding pr and they can still vote, who do not understand what actually going on
@bxlovebx
@bxlovebx 4 жыл бұрын
16:53 😂😂 the sunbear fell in despair when he hears we will get punished
@lilacfunk
@lilacfunk 4 жыл бұрын
I love the election prediction!!!
@shaunjames6449
@shaunjames6449 4 жыл бұрын
Genius! im a big fan
@keefzcobra4616
@keefzcobra4616 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant !
@fransistarmedi9999
@fransistarmedi9999 4 жыл бұрын
09:39 I cracked up so hard, nice one!
@LonganLee
@LonganLee 4 жыл бұрын
Can sg survive without high density of cheap labor ? Can sg even survive without export of Oil?
@hazelsanpengtee8291
@hazelsanpengtee8291 4 жыл бұрын
Very well presented
@ilyalain5516
@ilyalain5516 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the hard work and effort to produce such an informative series that sheds light on local politics, cant imagine the research and time taken to put all these together ♥️
@luimatthew3546
@luimatthew3546 4 жыл бұрын
Hi PJ. Keep up your good work...we would like to make a contribution ...please advise how to go about it. Thank you ML
@teo88888able
@teo88888able 4 жыл бұрын
SINGAPORE HAD DONE THE LEAST ALMOST NOTHING IN CLIMATE CHANGE IMPROVEMENT
@teo88888able
@teo88888able 4 жыл бұрын
USE OF NATIONAL RESOURCES TO BENEFIT PARTISANS ? ? ? ?
@frankyeo7909
@frankyeo7909 3 жыл бұрын
I like your kuei lapis shirt.
@sydwert
@sydwert 4 жыл бұрын
PJ: We will not stop her from eating from those bowls; she has a free choice. Lisa: *Eats PJ's face*
@yeetusfetus8687
@yeetusfetus8687 4 жыл бұрын
22:30 Lisa the clairvoyant dog: eats up Daddy PJ kskdkdkd
@mojazzz284
@mojazzz284 4 жыл бұрын
Lol... The analogy is totally spot on
@williamswee
@williamswee 3 жыл бұрын
well said, the truth will set the people free
@RajRaj-zx4rf
@RajRaj-zx4rf Жыл бұрын
Genuis sir
@whitewashfatah6999
@whitewashfatah6999 4 жыл бұрын
"Anybody who govern Singapore must have a steel in him".... But how can one have a steel in him when he fights election in a group via the GRC system? Real men will take the fight one on one... Reason given for using the GRC was to ensure minority representation in Parliament But how often have the MPs,esp those PAP MPs raised issues affecting the minority communities? Another trick to stay in power...for the GRC allows a candidate rejected by the voters to get into Parliament when the votes are pooled together under that single GRC... Like it or not,those who wished and have voted for the opposition candidate had to accept the outcome... Undemocratic PAP... Undemocratic Singapore
@sainudinlestutionjaafar7343
@sainudinlestutionjaafar7343 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up👍 God bless you
@NewNaratif
@NewNaratif 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! - PJ
@bernardsing
@bernardsing 4 жыл бұрын
(pun intended)
@WilsonWongWilzWorkz
@WilsonWongWilzWorkz 4 жыл бұрын
Emotional Trauma is the right word to use...I hate swimming during ACS days. LOL!
@malcolmsoh5648
@malcolmsoh5648 4 жыл бұрын
My lord, someone has figured out the secret of the PAP's 60 years reign. This can't be good for you, Professor Thum. Better watch your ass, or you be joining me along with Mr. Tan Wah Piow in excel. LOL
@ChesterTan
@ChesterTan 3 жыл бұрын
It's such a shame. PJ my man, you're way ahead of your society. The people you need to watch this, won't understand it even if it were on their screens, and that's a massive if. You're doing a great job, but Singapore is just too ignorant. Two more decades perhaps. Great content as always g
@jianxiangwong973
@jianxiangwong973 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@baklinger5526
@baklinger5526 4 жыл бұрын
waiting people like mahartari coming
@儿玥
@儿玥 4 жыл бұрын
What about foods protest by foreigners workers at dorm. Police zzzz.
@clementng7718
@clementng7718 4 жыл бұрын
Having a form of democracy; but denying the power of it. From such, stay away..
@chinkiat2580
@chinkiat2580 4 жыл бұрын
great video. entertaining, but also provides legitimate insights with plenty of evidence.
@brackpersian
@brackpersian 4 жыл бұрын
could you do a case study on Roy Ngerng and his party? would love to have a 10 minutes video of your opinion of him and his party.
@angelamagnus6615
@angelamagnus6615 4 жыл бұрын
To be honest, despite all the unfairness, the government's policy of meritocracy is a tough nut to crack, and a good selling point. Basically it encourages people to be hardworking and strive for the best without complaining -- something that makes a majority of Singaporeans feel good about themselves and continue to support the ruling party...
@lirenzeng592
@lirenzeng592 4 жыл бұрын
That was the past. Just look at all the frequent screw ups in policies, or more recently the handling of covid-19, it is obvious that many low capability people are in positions which they should not be.
@teckhohng3870
@teckhohng3870 4 жыл бұрын
Very cynical but makes sense to bring out the inadequacies of the present Govt.Singapore is led by "extra ordinary " people. Therefore, they do not need extra powers.then why bing in regressive laws as cited by Thumb.
@StanNic11
@StanNic11 4 жыл бұрын
For those that have nothing to loose, they are not fearful but greedy and easily satisfy with some rebates and monies given.. For those with alot to lose they are fearful of what would happen.. So you are right., PAP will never lose any election. They set the rules, they will always win.
@collintan73
@collintan73 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂Interesting demonstration of a election predictions
@bxlovebx
@bxlovebx 4 жыл бұрын
9:44 haha but you still went to swim the English channel, you need to thank your dad for that
@wegh1958
@wegh1958 3 жыл бұрын
Okay have
@teo88888able
@teo88888able 4 жыл бұрын
CIVIL SERVICE TOWN COUNCIL IS POLITICAL
@Figiliev
@Figiliev 4 жыл бұрын
When he goes into the emotional trauma tangent 🤣Genius!!!
@NewNaratif
@NewNaratif 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! - PJ
@peterchew4018
@peterchew4018 4 жыл бұрын
No worries PJ...you can always go into Show Business . Thanks for sharing.
@soonfook
@soonfook 4 жыл бұрын
A person who unwilling to give up something for peace.
@iam1nerd
@iam1nerd 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, if my son is protesting for climate change, I will be secretly proud of him, but I will never let him know
@jamilatanbinselamathardajo2626
@jamilatanbinselamathardajo2626 4 жыл бұрын
New Naratif is an eye opener ....
@novacatz
@novacatz 4 жыл бұрын
Lol at random rant at 9:40
@muhdhafiz123
@muhdhafiz123 4 жыл бұрын
That analogy at the end is absolutely world class HAHAHHAHAHHA
@tohdanny8572
@tohdanny8572 3 жыл бұрын
You talking rubbish
@weejph
@weejph 4 жыл бұрын
Using USA as standard where millions of eligible voters are denied chance to vote by US government machinery, Singapore system is fair enough. The fact is few candidates are as good as Mr Chiam and Mr Low. They only talk online.
@macrick
@macrick 4 жыл бұрын
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@suhualeow1136
@suhualeow1136 4 жыл бұрын
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@hanswong5593
@hanswong5593 4 жыл бұрын
wah you mean your father canned you when you did't win a swimming meet?
@baklinger5526
@baklinger5526 4 жыл бұрын
nothing is fair in the world esp s i n
@azmibinabdullah5547
@azmibinabdullah5547 4 жыл бұрын
ET=EXTRA TERROR
@palamirtammarimuthu1752
@palamirtammarimuthu1752 4 жыл бұрын
If. It's a forgone. Conclusion.....why have opposition airtime??? Or even an election??? Just walkover. And. Move. On. 4/7/20
@Jwalker0075
@Jwalker0075 4 жыл бұрын
Vote wisely and think of your future generations. Don't ever let PAP to bully you and your future generations. Take your votes to throw them out and these MIWs and your future generations will be pleased of what you have done.
@baklinger5526
@baklinger5526 4 жыл бұрын
only $$$$$$$$$ 😇😇😇😇
@HussienUpaty
@HussienUpaty 2 жыл бұрын
Contrarian approach - screw the backside instead .. test if it works
@baniabdullah4473
@baniabdullah4473 3 жыл бұрын
Poor man, he can relax & shake leg(J. B. JEYARATNAM)
@jwy1625
@jwy1625 4 жыл бұрын
TBH, I don't comment in KZbin and I am not in any way close to commentators like SCB Chong, who has tonnes of vocabulary in their pocket, but after reading your, 👉S C B Chong👈's, comments I decided to give it a go... I haven't seen Dr Thum join any party to contest for a seat, then why are you accusing him of becoming an MP or milking public funds? Based on your statement, "...politics as a career for the masses. Best way to milk public funds, right?...", you are stating that ALL politicians (leftist or rightist) are in it for the🧧 money and the money 🧧only. With this statement alone, I think you may get a POFMA warning issued to you as well. I agree God Almighty is unfair, to a certain degree, in his allocation of talents; with all respect to God and whichever religion you follow, 🙏God Almighty🙏, also allows us human beings and all living things in the world, a left hand and a right hand. 🐟A fish🐟, a left fin and a right fin. 🐦A bird🐦, a left wing and a right wing. 🌱A plant🌱, a left branch and a right branch. So being a leftist, like you insist, fits very well into "God's system", I feel. Whilst the "leftist" has done his homework trying to present his opinions in KZbin to the people who belief in him; WHERE and WHEN will you, 👉Mr Chong👈, come up with your content or video to counter his claims? I don't see any viewable content in your channel. You have not even presented yourself or your face, in a manner that can give NEUTRAL citizens like me, to watch or even listen to...and here (plus the 300 over rightist comments) you rant about a KZbin contributor who has the courage to present himself to us? 👀👀👀 Lastly, I don't seem to see Dr Thum rebuking you, maybe he feels that he has no time and space for you. Or maybe some of the truth/s he mentioned, hurts a rightist like you too much, that you spent all the free time during this CB period retaliating, I wonder. But there is a saying, "If people criticize you, hurt you or shout at you, don't bother. Just remember that in every game, audience make the noise not the players". Continue to be that person in that audience, because this person I am watching is a real player!
@Thelocalavenue
@Thelocalavenue 4 жыл бұрын
probably on a vendetta or some sort.
@tonilim-tw8ep
@tonilim-tw8ep Жыл бұрын
👍
@HussienUpaty
@HussienUpaty 2 жыл бұрын
Ensuring the quality of parliament - fix up with weak unthinking work horses and pay them
@Dave-xh7up
@Dave-xh7up 4 жыл бұрын
I feel all these bird talkers should migrate to those free speeches country if they envy them so much. Like society to be in chaotic situation and unrest go HK or TaIwan if you afraid of not able to survive Ang moh Tua ki. Is it so unfortunate to stay in such a peaceful and quiet society? Then something must be wrong with you people. All are so selfish as only to own individual prospective agenda.
@jonlim8570
@jonlim8570 4 жыл бұрын
ah yes, complacency. I used to be like you too, just getting by the day and being contented with what we all have. While it is okay to be proud of Singapore's many great prospects, It is also not wrong to point out the flaws that we have noticed in the government. Why is it that the moment someone points out the flaws and gives constructive criticism, it means that he is ungrateful,disloyal and should get out of the country? This is a common mindset that has been ingrained in many Singaporeans by the government, that if you don't support PAP or if you disagree with any of the policies, laws or approaches set by the government, you should go somewhere else to live, since you think that Singapore is so bad. I used to be like that too, telling anyone who criticise our education systems, other systems and policies etc to get out of our country if they don't like it so much. But it's time to take a step back and really consider their opinions and their points. Only that way can you take in suggestions and improve yourself to greater heights. Think deeper about it, when people criticise something, they are listing out the reasons why they do not support/ like that particular subject. This does not mean that they are unaware or are unappreciative/ ungrateful of the good side of the subject. I can love Singapore and still criticise the government on areas which there are flaws in it, and if the government hear my voices and work on it to improve and patch up on this flaws, then both parties gain something! Likewise for any point of subjects too. You can even be supportive and still point out the flaws that you believe is present in it, without having to be deemed as ungrateful traitor....
@rolandlwtay
@rolandlwtay 4 жыл бұрын
Woof woof....!
@akshobramkumar5993
@akshobramkumar5993 3 жыл бұрын
I like how pap makes it look like Singapore is democratic but truly it feels communism
@baniabdullah4473
@baniabdullah4473 3 жыл бұрын
It's a rubbish statement, 5yr to repent, criminal of Aljunied resident or what???
@scbchong6964
@scbchong6964 4 жыл бұрын
Cries of "unfair" only come from the losers. From what you are grousing about, it seems you propose politics as a career option for the masses. Best way to milk public funds, right? Create fear, uncertainty and doubt among the weak-minded and get yourself 4 years of MP allowances. The real issue you don't want to tell your audience is that the Lord God Almighty allocates talents and abilities unfairly too. You want to rail against God? Citizens have to learn the personal responsibility to work and earn a place in society. There is also family and community obligations and courtesies to learn and remember. Your head is filled with western ideology of absolute personal freedom at the expense of larger society good. You are demanding Utopia and keeping the gullible younger voters dependent on your empty promises. And btw, you need to drop that elite colonial bootlicker Oxford preppy act. It does not go down well with the minorities in Singapore. You cannot build trust when you are parroting the western ideologues.
@sihanchen7552
@sihanchen7552 4 жыл бұрын
TLDR, Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, you PAP lackey.
@scbchong6964
@scbchong6964 4 жыл бұрын
@@sihanchen7552 How am I a "lackey" when those who lap up PJ's exaggerations are bootlicking his ding-dongs? Just because he is self-proclaimed pap hater don't make him more moral and more just and more knowledgeable. Verify his statements and you will find they are exaggerations. Why would anyone who proclaim the truth need to exaggerate and lie?
@sihanchen7552
@sihanchen7552 4 жыл бұрын
@@scbchong6964 Look at how you bark at seemingly anything besides your PAP masters. Listen to how you huff and puff just like a typical government lapdog. That is what lackeys are, that is what lackeys do. You are the total, Absolute, UNDISPUTED Lackey package.
@scbchong6964
@scbchong6964 4 жыл бұрын
@@sihanchen7552 "Lackey"? I don't work for civil service, and I have been in private sector since starting work. You just acting like an idiot because under freedom of speech, citizens can poke holes into false allegations, and insinuations made by clowns like PJ. But maybe you too busy bootlicking your western ideologue masters like PJ.
@sihanchen7552
@sihanchen7552 4 жыл бұрын
@@scbchong6964 Come on, SOB Chong, whoever needs to be a civil servant in order to be a lackey? There are those who get paid to spread government propaganda even if they do not hold a govt post !! And from the shit you've been spewing everyday, I say you are one LIKELY SUSPECT !!! You can be a lapdog of the government any day of the week you choose to be a SELL OUT !!
@burhan999
@burhan999 4 жыл бұрын
dear PJ.... u r nothing but trouble...
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