The Sig P320 Discharges, a Cop’s Review

[@BlackRifleMedic]

I work at a gun store for 5 years the scariest and worst handling of firearms were by cops

[@chaos-jp7nt]

Damn😂

[@publius9606]

As a 30 year veteran LEO, I can sadly agree that too many cops are deficient in the tools of the trade. That said, admin and politicians have been de-emphasizing and defunding lethal force training for decades. They DO NOT want cops to shoot anyone because they fear lawsuits and political fallout.

[@USCtrojanFootball1]

You left out the second worst. Democrats. 😅

[@jeffanon1772]

I was a Cop for years & I was just as scared of getting shot by my fellow Officers as I was by the bad guys ...

[@jeffanon1772]

​@@USCtrojanFootball1news flash, lots of us Democrats are gun owners who actually practice..we just don't run around desperately trying to look like Tommy Tactical, so you probably never notice us...

[@nealgunn5862]

When I first heard the P3 20 will go off on its own and is dangerous it scared me so bad I immediately went out and bought two more.

[@Phildaexperience]

😂

[@nvkulk]

That’s the spirit 😊

[@ZensivYT]

We need more police trainers/admins like yourself. I've always wanted to become a cop growing up, but then once i got there... well i could help my community better elsewhere. I was a cadet for the swat team in baltimore city and those guys are amazing. I enjoyed every second training with those guys, but when it came time to training the regular patrol officers.. man did no one want to train. I could not believe the majority of these cops were even allowed guns, they failed most drills we ran through but were just recycled right back in. They are struggling for cops so bad that they are just pushing people through and its really terrible.

[@gatorhkman]

Excellent vid! Your demo has been my personal theory on this topic all along however you are the first person to actually post up the examples with the proper picture angles and finger insertion to show the reality of compromise with a light bearing holster to trigger guard protection on striker fired pistols. I have watched a few vids on YT from "engineers" illustrating the mechanical aspect of trigger functionality and it provided me the same confidence the weapon is not going to magically "fire" uncommanded. Thanks for posting this up.

[@brock3426]

I find it funny people trust the less trained people to save their lives. Instead of getting trained there self and having the ability to save there own but.

[@paddypibblet846]

The media in the USA is all owned by a few elite. And hero worship in Hollywood is part of the propaganda to keep the slaves from one day taking a stand against the castle guards 🚓🚨

[@tomsalter4156]

Ive got 2 early models that have yet to discharge on their own

[@PnP-td1mt]

The amount of opinions regarding p320’s from absolute morons is mind numbing. Whole lot of opinions from people that have no basic mechanical understanding. Being a “cop” doesn’t make you an expert on firearms.

[@douglasphillips24]

If it's possible to discharge a weapon in a duty holster you better believe more of these negligent discharges are coming because we're all human and make mistakes especially in high stress situations.

[@bryannunyabizness5505]

I totally agree. I have shot with all sources of people and the police departments are not being trained enough and self integrity of training is not maintained you will have mishandling of any weapon and I have seen it.

[@tommybenford9891]

Best advice I ever heard from someone was stay away from “ nra firearm instructors”.

[@jonathanvelez4385]

You are 100% telling the truth. I put more rounds down range in a month than the local pd where i grew up does in a year. Only a few there actually train regularly.

[@Kricket2390]

Hey, I appreciate this video a lot. I was in law enforcement after active duty only for 4 years. I dont have as much time in law enforcement as you do and others. From the time I was in, I couldn't articulate the oddness i found where id meet a squared away deputy who was proficient in their firearms, empty hand, verbal skills, investigation practices. When i did I tried to follow what they did, so i spent a lot of time investing in BJJ, working with my firearms, talking to people as people. But what you said literally drove me away there were almost felt like too many that did not do that. We carried Glock 17s and i just purchased my first sig (p365 X Macro Tacops). I was a little worried with that 320's history, but i really like the feel of sig. I instantly when dry firing noticed the difference in those 2 triggers all my firearms are stock minus a streamlight or i just got a holosun eps carry. But i agree the sig trigger is great its awesome but i do think it requires even more discipline then say a glock. Also wonder about the safariland holsters with lightbearing if part of the problem is just they make them a 1 size fits all guns? We had those safariland holsters and that thing was like a bucket.

[@MagDumpGuns]

Awesome commentary at the beginning! I feel the pain of passing people who struggle to qual year after year. It's embarrassing and scary to be working alongside some of these people after watching them shoot. We have tried to up our standards a bit but people balk of course and change happens very slowly. To hit on another point, I thought I was a decent shooter and instructor till I started paying attention to training stuff from the competition greats. Made me realize how much I really don't know, but the learning journey continues always, and I'm trying to find ways to incorporate those lessons into a (sadly) dumbed down version for mostly casual LE shooters.

[@40calnevadausa47]

Thank you. I worried that I spent too much time on that subject but I really wanted to convey how the poor training was related to the issue. One of the biggest problems associated with the training programs we are used to is that there is a lot of tradition and antiquated practices that need to go away. Nobody wants to change the way we’ve always done it. Sad.

[@ronreyes9910]

Sorry, no it's a sear issue. More than one video of a gun holstered, untouched discharging. The gun was cobbled together from an existing hammer fire design into a striker design so it could be submitted for some upcoming contracts. The clockwork trigger mechanism is too dainty and intricate for a duty pistol. As these pistols wear over time it will get worse.

[@DookeyRidr]

You’re on the right track. Protraband’s latest video about the P320 explains some of this.

[@danielthomason5685]

Cheap junk...the chevy of firearms...you have to upgrade everything to make it decent

[@TheRealMrBlackCat]

How is it a sear issue? Explain this please.

[@ytbenavraham9553]

I have X5 Legion. I use as my duty pistol. I've had no issues with mine. I train over a thousand rounds a month. No issues with it

[@tommybenford9891]

Me personally I’ve been in law enforcement for only 3 years. But I’m coming from 14 years in the military ( 2nd bct 10th mountain division) let me tell you I feel the reason p320s having issues in law enforcement is it has no trigger safety. The lack of training I’ve seen not just in my agency but multiple training agency at least in my area is they don’t train enough so in a high stress situation or even a medium stress situation drawling then re-holstering without that extra step of safety can really make a difference. Most law enforcement require the bare minimum for qualification with their firearm and most officers give the bare minimum when it comes to training.

[@CPAgamer313]

As of today 11/12 there has been 108 accidental discharges with the sig P320 reported from US law enforcement agencies.

[@jabronjunklove760]

That info would work better if you also had the number of accidental discharges for all the other gun models in use, to see how much difference there is between the numbers.

[@Phildaexperience]

Great video, I have looked at both of my 320s and they don't have any issue with the disconnector ... I can pull the slide all the way back and dead trigger. All factory

[@jf3065]

Its all training. When Glocks first came out in the 90's to replace revolvers there where multiple "accidental discharges" with the guns "going off on their own". (in Philly alone we had 20 in less then 6 months). Problem was there was zero training for handling the firearm and the revolver draw with a heavy trigger was ingrained in the officers vs the Glocks. (guess everyone commenting below was to young to remember all the bad press, thank god Glocks didnt have to deal with the internet, instead Glock just paid to have their bad press removed from newspapers and television reports, now a days it would have been a witch hunt for sure).

[@patrickcarcamo622]

True, but everyone forgets that there was a change in technology going from a revolver to a semi auto. But going from Glock to Sig? What changed? Semi auto vs semi auto, no difference in tech. Only thing that changed was the gun.

[@jf3065]

@@patrickcarcamo622 the lack of the trigger safety is the big difference, ive seen people pull glocks out of their holster with the finger riding the side of the trigger (not in the trigger itself but the side edge). And the Sig does not have that to prevent an actual pull like the Glock trigger safety does. (if Sig implemented this like every other manufacturer you wouldnt have this issue). Again its training, the military does not have discharge issues as giant majority going in is pretty much learning to shoot their first handgun ever on the Sig, and because of that learn the do's and dont's vs the police departments that have always used Glocks, but made the switch to Sigs to officers who have always had a specific way they would ride the trigger while drawing from their holsters. (another issue is the holsters types, some holsters have more snag issues, which again, the trigger safety on the glock prevents). If people are worried about this there are plenty of aftermarket kits available from just installing a standard thumb safety like the m17/m18 have to a trigger safety like Agency Arms has for example. Or just learn proper holster discipline. (never heard of competition shooter having a accidental discharge with a P320 because they practice holstering techniques over and over again.

[@xi-deadshot-ix5838]

⁠@@patrickcarcamo622mechanically the P320 is quite a bit different from the Glock. Technology wise, it’s actually a modular pistol… The fcu isn’t part of the frame and is self contained. As for safety issues, the drop safe problem was resolved awhile ago and no recent models have had it. The holster discharge issue isn’t a prominent problem that anyone has been able to replicate. There’s half a million in military service and millions owned by civilians/LE over roughly half a decade and there’s a little over a few dozen or so reports and many have no proof it wasn’t actually a ND… I’ve only been able to find 2 reports showing the user absolutely wasn’t messing with the gun and the holster was impacted with no way to see if anything was in the trigger guard. I have tried and tried to get mine to release the striker without touching the trigger and I can’t. I’ve smacked it while twisting and trying to pry the slide from the frame and visa versa. I’m not saying it’s impossible but as time goes on it’s proving to be an exceedingly rare occurrence most p320 owners will never run into. I haven’t found a single report of this happening with a iwb holster either.

[@patrickcarcamo622]

@@xi-deadshot-ix5838 None of that changes how the gun is handled. The Sig has a partially cocked striker, while the Glock does not. In other words, the Sig is "closer" to a firing condition. If it has such a delicate trigger, it has no place in duty work. CC is a lot different than police work. Military dosen't count due to manual safeties. CC mostly don't open carry, so their gun is more protected. How often do CC's bang their pistols around on a daily basis compared to police? I have a retired service pistol and a CC pistol. Guess which one has the beat up grip from sticking out and getting hit against every little thing?

[@ShortArmOfGod]

The difference being the glocks fired when a human put their finger on the trigger and pulled it. The sigs fired when a human didn't put their finger on the trigger and pull it. Kind of a big difference, huh.

[@johntownley83]

I know it was mentioned in the video but I was just curious what brand was that duty holster on your belt?

[@40calnevadausa47]

Blackhawk L3D. They are also made in the USA 🇺🇸

[@MADDOG100ful]

If you put a magazine in a p320 loaded when you pull the trigger the slide does not move up and down it does when it's empty but not with the magazine with ammo locked into it.

[@jimjab3631]

Not a cop but love the blackhawk holster, built like a tank

[@AMomentInTimeProductions]

you know it's ok to take a gun apart and put together on youtube now right? you can remove the slide on youtube, the only thing that is prohibit, is videos instructing users how to remove the safety devices from firearms. It will also restrict videos showing automatic or homemade firearms for users under 18, other than that you can show taking a gun apart, i have videos on how you clean your handgun and show how to remove things and take slides off and all that and i show it on the video.. There is no rule anymore that prohibits you from taking the slide off the gun and other parts as well, except removing safety devices ..

[@gunsupport89]

I don't like cops but I respect the ones that support the 2a and make other cops be better at there job

[@Ruby_Sterling]

No offense, but most law enforcement officers are horrible with guns. They could use a lot more training. It makes no sense that CCWs have more gun knowledge.

[@MustLuvEdward]

Thank you for your service, Officer !

[@tacticalbt1023]

I don’t mess with the 320s for many reasons I run the 365 proven to not have drop safe issues or going off in holster. Little different design of FCU n I love the 226-229 series

[@Cortezuma]

Generally the 320 isn’t super appealing to me but I did buy the AXG Legion and it’s among my favorite pistols that I own. It’s up there with my Staccato in a lot of ways. The only Glock I care for is my Agency build which cost way more than it’s worth. I conceal carry my Glock but the Staccato and Sig are for OWB duty only and vehicle concealed carry. Also got an additional 320 FCU for my Flux Raider and that’s amazing too. I love variety and when you look at guns on the market today it’s hard to avoid Sig or the 320 specifically. I figured I had to try one eventually. I’m not 100% confident in its safety… and I wish I was because I absolutely love how it handles and shoots. But I’ll always have that little bit of doubt in its safety because of the controversy.

[@MsGarymeyer]

The Sig Sauer P320's design raises serious safety concerns that warrant a recall! This pistol can discharge without a trigger pull, potentially even with the trigger and trigger bar removed. The lack of a physical sear block is a critical flaw. Here's why: * Unrestricted Sear: The sear, which releases the firing pin, has no physical barrier to prevent its movement. It relies solely on friction and springs, making it vulnerable to inertia and vibration. * Ineffective Safety: The factory safety only interacts with the trigger bar, not the sear itself, leaving the sear susceptible to unintended movement. * Minimal Sear Engagement: The sear's contact with the firing pin is minimal, increasing the risk of accidental discharge. * Vulnerable Firing Pin Block: While a firing pin block exists, it's easily overcome with minimal movement no where even close to being fully depressed. Its design, moving in the same parallel, direction as the sear, makes it susceptible to the same inertia and vibration that could dislodge the sear. * Manufacturer Admission: Sig Sauer's admission in the Jeff Bagnell trials confirms the firearm's vulnerability to vibration-induced malfunctions. The P320's lack of a traditional firing pin plunger, which always operates opposite of the sear movement, further exacerbates this issue. Its current design fundamentally compromises the firearm's safety, potentially leading to unintentional discharges.

[@showtime2629]

My 2 cents, even though I have very limited experience with the 320 and have only dry fired it, is that Sig made a gun that is mechanically safe. However, I think they made a trigger that is trying to be too light with too little take up without enough backup safeties. Meaning that sure you could throw it on the ground and it won't go off, but IF something DOES get into the trigger guard there isn't enough resistance to stop anything. It's a lot like carrying a cocked 1911 and only using the grip safety.

[@turkish8969]

"You can throw it on the ground and it wont go off" bro has the memory of a lemming

[@showtime2629]

@@turkish8969 That's doesn't even make sense? They had drop safe issues and did a recall and addressed the issue. Any of the gun going off issues I've seen haven't been because of dropping, but going off in holsters or bags.

[@Stormtrooper_Accuracy]

@13:42 that's the important part most folks ignore.

[@reachblowsdick7222]

If Sig fixed it why is there still videos of post upgraded P320 going off in holsters just last year? And look up KZbinr Gunghis about his post upgrade X5 P320 going off in his holster during a steel match in front of many witnesses and Sig Sauer themselves inspected his P320 and said it was NOT USER ERROR. ...fanboys seem to ignore that little detail.

[@joesantiago413]

Excellent video. I respect your point of view and appreciate the message that you have put out there. In my opinion i don't think enough emphasis is being put out there about the issues that glock experienced during their initial issuing to law enforcement. Would glock have experienced their success without their law enforcement contracts? More than likely not. Glock was in a situation where if they wanted sustained success in that market they were going to have to make changes from their original design. There is nothing wrong with that, nothing is perfect. They bent to the needs of the consumer. That's just smart business. Should there be more emphasis on training for law enforcement officers? Absolutely. But the gun manufactures cannot not count on that. They have to protect the integrity of their product. So what I'm driving at is if sig sauer wants similar success in the leo market perhaps they can take a page out of what glock had to do and make the 320 more safe for those that for whatever reason refuse to become more proficient with their duty weapon. It's sad that this is the case but it is what it is. This lack of proficiency has given the platform a bad reputation. The internet wasn't around in those days so getting the message out to the public that glocks were unsafe was allot harder to accomplish. We live in the information age now so the false narrative that the 320 is unsafe has spread like wild fire. These are questions that I'm sure sig sauer is pondering. How important are these law enforcement contracts to the company? There are millions of dollars at stake so i think it would be smart for sig to make changes to meet the safety demands of this particular market.

[@chillios2222]

Glad as LE they issued me the 92 FS , pretty safe as firearms go ( no issues I had with this one , held up pretty well day to day ) our policy of carry was hammer down on fire , no b.s.

[@encinobalboa]

If military has safety switch, why do police versions not have them?

[@paddypibblet846]

Institutions are slow to change. They never seem to just flat out jump into a big change. It's always a slow half assed transfers of philosophy and equipment. Since the Glock was basically the LEO gun of choice for decades, many LEOs felt a safety would get them killed in the streets (meaning that they will forget to remove the safety when they must shoot a suspect). Despite the fact that previous to the Glock, the gun of choice for America's PDs were firearms like the Beretta 92fs and 1911s that had manual safeties. But the cops who came from the Glock era are refusing to learn and use manual safeties today. We are starting to see a resurgence in manual safeties.

[@TheGingerKing1994]

Military has had 9 discharges last one had many witnesses in a MP station.

[@johnlacasse8893]

There is a reason the military required SIG to add an external safety to the P320... they recognized the potential of negligent discharges, due to lack of external safeties. IMHO, any dept that issues a P320 without a safety is culpable in any negligent discharges of those pistols. The M18 or M17, again IMHO, are awesome duty weapons. My personal choice is S&W M&P 2.0. I have found it to be more reliable and for me a better shooter.

[@natedog380]

The reason for the safety is because it was a requirement in the government’s modular handgun system competition

[@johnlacasse8893]

@@natedog380 it was a requirement because the firearms are UNSAFE without it...

[@natedog380]

@@johnlacasse8893 it was a requirement for ALL guns entered into the competition lol

[@johnlacasse8893]

@@natedog380 because they are unsafe without external safeties...

[@natedog380]

@@johnlacasse8893 yes I get that, but in your original comment you were saying that they only told Sig to add it to their entry

[@1ghostshooter]

October 2019 I was yearly requalify duty pistol. I holster my p320 carry model to run to next area and it went off. It ended up shooting me. I don’t feel safe with 320 ever again.

[@publius9606]

Given your level of literacy, its difficult to find you credible on any subject

[@hkvp9tactical418]

“DONNIE-Have you finished cleaning up your room?! …and you’d better not be on that computer-you’re still grounded!”

[@nvkulk]

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

[@fkrr5]

It's a bad design, they were too cheap to start fresh and ended up just converting p250 to striker

[@djpaintles]

We need more principled LEO trainers like you.

[@cbwelch4]

I have had a P320c Pro for a few years. Thousands of rounds through it. It has not gone bang by itself. I have carried it. It is a fat gun. Thats my only issue with it. It is a chunk in your side. Mine has the flat trigger. I pretty much figured that the 320c is fine.

[@brianreeves9404]

Excellent review and analysis. I’m not a fan of the P320, I think the quality control has had some issues. When they first came out I saw them on my national guard deployment, and they had trouble feeding the ammo for their qual. When I got back home to my state trooper job I heard agencies were telling guys to keep the slide back for 2 weeks when off duty to get the spring broken in. My first qual with it, I was helping coach on the range, not a one could make it through a qual without some malfunction. However I never saw an M17 have a problem after that. So I think they had quality control issues, at least at the beginning. I agree the adding trigger safeties would be the best solution for most of the NDs being reported. As far as Safariland goes they had a couple of decades being the cock of the walk and didn’t spend that time refining and fixing flaws. I’ve had too many for training that had rocks and gravel still in them; I stopped using them in 2020.

[@RGL01]

Excellent video. Took one course with Mas Ayoob years ago. I'm not law enforcement but I value proficiency. Maybe it's time for IDPA.

[@jonp5760]

Excellent video with great points. I've always thought that the P320 discharge issue was improper handling. How is the blackhawk holster with the Glock 17 and the TLR1? I have the same one and the glock is so loose that I can pull the gun so far down that it completely bypasses the hood. I'm wondering if I just got a lemon or if that's how they all are.

[@40calnevadausa47]

Mine have a little back and forth play but not nearly enough to bypass the hood. The P320 Holster is tighter than the Glock one I have. Interesting…Another option I recently picked up but haven’t had a lot of testing with is the Comptac CT 3. No play in that one. That’s a Glock 17 holster with TLR1.

[@jonp5760]

@@40calnevadausa47 Thanks for getting back to me. I might just have one thats a little out of spec. I'll call blackhawk later this week. I actually have the comp tac. It is a lot tighter than the blachawk, but I don't like the release button as much.

[@JayG1911]

I think there has been enough evidence even while holstered these have gone off on their own, making them unsafe. One guy hammering on one copy isn’t sufficient evidence, but several videos of them going off, even in safari level 3 is enough evidence for me not to trust them.

[@TheRealMrBlackCat]

You FEEL there has been enough evidence... thinking is kind of different. I have yet to see any evidence... feel free to link to video to enlighten myself and others though. I am not saying it might not be possible, but I have been waiting for someone to let me evaluate one that is claimed to have discharged, as I have not been able to get one to reach a state for this to happen.

[@russdennis7026]

New sub! Yeah i'm embarrassed with some of my partners that don't take shooting seriously. Love my Glocks and that's what I carry so that's what I train with. My gun collection is simple and I like it that way. I've owned STI's and Staccato's and realized I shoot my Glocks just as good, so I sold them and now I only shoot Glock. But training and effort makes you a good shooter. Not the gun.

[@johnnyragadoo2414]

Another officer, in La Grange, Texas, was shot by his P320, possibly just after this video posted. One report says first responders found his handgun still latched into his retention holster. If you still have faith in the P320's safety, chamber a round, keep the gun pointed in a safe direction, and wiggle the slide on the frame. You are not just wiggling the slide, you are also wiggling the frame mounted trigger against the slide mounted striker sear. The striker is at full cock held by a light single action sear. Dry fire the P320 and note the rear of the slide moves vertically. Chamber another round, keep the gun pointed in a safe direction, and lift the rear of the slide. You are applying a force to separate the sear engagement. You're pulling the trigger part of the sear down from the striker. That's how the P320 naturally discharges. The frame mounted part of the sear is pulled down from the striker by the trigger. The striker block is a light piece of metal with rounded edges, held into place to stop the striker by a single coil hair spring. It's just my opinion, but I worry there's a way the striker can bounce past the block. When I bought my P320, Sig marketing material still said the striker wasn't fully cocked in battery. That's not true. Except for the striker block, a P320 with a round chambered isn't much different from a Colt SAA carried hammer back. Please don't do that! Please consider design vulnerabilities in any firearm, respect them all, and keep faithful to Cooper's four rules. I am not queasy about loaded guns and EDC. My current setup is a compact 1911 with a Swartz firing pin block. I appendix carry in a quality holster in Condition 1. Please don't do that without training from a competent instructor, practice, and a blood oath (yours) to discipline.

[@kevincurr]

Yes, I was walking to my patrol vehicle and it went off. It was secured in my holster. I never thought anything like this would have happened. But it did . And it just happened to a marble falls officer this past friday, while it was secured in his holster. There is a problem with this gun. Yes there a bunch of officers that have carried this gun for years and never had a problem and want to say it was the officers fault/negligence. That is an uneducated view. It never happened to you until it happens to you. I WAS THERE. IT HAPPENED..I hate when I see some "expert" that says there is nothing wrong with the sig saur p320 because they have never had it happen to them or anyone they know. That is flawed logic. I am the LG officer that this happened to and I was not negligent. Just because someone is a firearms instructor/ipa or whatever also does not mean they experts. I have seen some firearms instructors that were idiots.. Ive been a cop for 35 years, shot guns all my life. I didnt do anything wrong . To this poster...yes this gun is going off on their own.. I was there...you are wrong , sir..it keeps happening., educate yourself...google it it was rushed to production to get the almost 600 million dollar government contract. IT IS NOT A TRAINING ISSUE I hope it never happens to you, but if it does remember your fricking judgmental comments here. You repeated all of sigs sound bites about this gun. Are you a sig fanboy,,,getting money from sig?...dont like it when people judge you without knowing the facts? Think about that, Sir

[@johnnyragadoo2414]

@@kevincurr I wrote to your department listing my concerns with the P320 design. I know that was sticking my nose into somebody else's business, but I don't hear people talking about the potential for slide play to act on the sear engagement. I wanted to put that bug in your department's ear (or in your lawyer's). All the best to you and your fellow officers. To any who carry the P320, please consider potential vulnerabilities in the design.

[@rpmorrisjr]

Yours seems the most intelligent comment I’ve heard in the thousands I’ve read. I’m not at all a gunsmith but looking at the tolerances, the size of the parts and the amount of play…even I had wondered about what you said. Even aside from that, carrying that gun chambered without a manual safety is very much as you say…dangerous. I have likened it to carrying a 1911 cocked but not locked…and it very much is. To show you how dumb I am though, I have a question: Does the use of manual safety override the problem as you see it? Thank you.

[@johnnyragadoo2414]

@@rpmorrisjr I don't know from anything I've personally observed. There was a Marine cleared of negligent discharge. He was at his post when the P320 discharged. The investigation found he had not mishandled the gun and the safety on his military P320 was engaged at the time of the discharge. You can find that report by searching Google for "Handgun/Rifle/M-18, Event # 561138". The conclusion of the report includes the statement, "After reviewing the security camera video footage, the mishap investigator concluded that P1 did not mishandle the weapon at anytime while on duty at Gate 1 prior to the weapon discharging. From the evidence and statements from the persons involved, it is apparent that the weapon fired while on safe and secured in the holster." Most safeties fail to provide the absolute guarantee of an empty chamber, and that's OK. The point is to stack the deck far enough that in a practical sense the gun won't misbehave under proper and respectful handling. For instance, I like my 1911s and their safeties. Forget tradition and two world wars, I can take the gun down to individual pieces. Safety components are large items. The most critical thing about a 1911 thumb safety, in my unschooled Kentucky windage analysis, is the clearance between the trigger sear and the pad on the thumb safety blocking sear movement. That clearance must be less than the travel required for the sear to release, which sounds like a bad thing to have to trust. But you can assemble the gun without the grip safety and check that clearance yourself, and you can test it by pulling the trigger with the safety engaged (gun cleared, please). I don't have to trust unverified operation. Round in the chamber, hammer back, safety on, appendix carry, all perfectly fine. The gun is mechanically safe and I verified that. If I handle it properly, I'm not putting myself or others at risk. I'm not a gunsmith or a mechanical engineer. My only credentials with firearms are lifelong exposure to them, many years of peacefully carrying one, and zero unintended discharges. On that last point, I must remain humble. I'm human and can make mistakes. Be safe!

[@waterhead1359]

Great video appreciate your honesty

[@mblake0420]

Will the x300 work in a vulcarie 2 holster?

[@AlanCamp-q1s]

Some of these stories seem to be one a policeman was reaching into his car and his gun went off the other the officer was climbing out of his car and the gun went off my moneys on static electricity setting off the round in the chamber it happened to me one time gun was holstered trigger guard safety on and it went off when I reach down to the ground to pick something up and felt a shock of static and a gun discharged

[@xusmico187]

Many others many places Cops like ilitary. Most ARE NOT GUN PEOPLE

[@frankmartin8471]

If static electricity caused a chambered round o fire, there wouldn't be a firing pin imprint on the primer.

[@markwarnberg9504]

Hearing this report about the poor training for cops it seems reasonable that they would be issued service pistols with an external safety just as the military does. Too my mind any striker fire gun should have a safety as the fireing pin is under constant preasure when a round is in the chamber. On the judicial side should you have an "ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE" you can be charged with Reckless Endangerment!!

[@paddypibblet846]

This is not true. The Glock is almost a double action pistol because the trigger pull itself cocks the striker.

[@ABartiles]

Great video brother, quick question. What Holster you recommend for the p320 Xcompact 3.6 with a optic for conceal carry IWB and OWB ❓

[@40calnevadausa47]

CCW holsters are user preference. I would recommend finding a high quality one that you feel comfortable with and fits your preference as far as carry style. I like crossbreed holsters for iwb and LAG tactical, or Raven concealment for owb for my 320s . Just make sure whatever you go with covers that trigger well.

[@RideOnTimePH]

For me, I just don't like how it looks. Polymer sigs looks like a downgrade from the beautifully crafter p220 series (p228 is my favorite). Same as the striker fired beretta, it is ugly as hell.

[@kawikadee9670]

You have a p320 but I see you like glock.

[@xi-deadshot-ix5838]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why not both? The whole bandwagon brand sucking in the 2A space is ridiculous.

[@kawikadee9670]

I like the looks of the p320 but I like the peace of mind of the glock.

[@corvetteman0714]

I'm in Nevada to bro, Las Vegas.

[@charles17508]

Why wouldnt they bring back the dingis that what they need to fix the idea of what has happened.

[@40calnevadausa47]

I think Sig wanted to stand apart from other striker fired designs and eliminate the dingus partly because a lot of reviewers negative comments about the Glock dingus. That and the triggers that they had on hand were already made for the P250 so probably to save money.

[@FirearmFanatic3006]

Even if they brought back the dingus/trigger safety, that would not change the fact that the firing pin assembly is locked in the rearward position and under constant spring tension after the slide is racked. When racked, there is only 0.075” of trigger travel required to disengage the one and only firing pin safety before the firing pin drops and a round is sent downrange. So, the dingus would help, but is merely a bandaid on an objective bad design for professional use. That being said, this design is simultaneously why people really like the trigger feel, and also why it isn’t a viable duty gun, but does make for a great competition gun.

[@markmiela3937]

The dingus is a drop safety mechanism not something that prevents the trigger being pulled.

[@FirearmFanatic3006]

⁠@@markmiela3937are we talking about the same thing? My understanding of the “dingus” is that it’s the extra tab on the on the trigger; technically referred to as the “trigger safety”. Using Glock’s trigger safety as an example: when the trigger safety is engaged you can very clearly see that it’s is designed to contact the frame, preventing the trigger from being pulled. When the trigger safety is defeated, it moves in such a way to clear the cut out in the frame allowing the trigger to travel completely. Am I completely missing something here?

[@bobbyraejohnson]

I actually like that it doesn’t have a dingus

[@proud2carry]

You’re not lying about how proficient a lot of police officers are not when it comes down to their training and handling of a firearm. I’ve myself have first hand witnessed egotistical officers at the range who can’t accurately hit a target at 7 yards. You try to give them small pointers and they completely ignore your help. I legit blame the lack proficiency on the badge. That badge give them a since of pride that they feel super human and feel like because of that badge that they can get into a gunfight at any time and take on a threat (s). It’s a sad reality because majority of officers are not getting into a gunfight so a trained person. God forbid if that day ever comes they will like you said, get destroyed by that trained individual l

[@40calnevadausa47]

Attitude and ego do play a role. Mindset plays a role. It’s not all of us but there are some out there with misplaced confidence.

[@kfelix2934]

Way to long of a video to watch. I found it funny the opening has 2 sigs laying on a glock-mat. That just made my day.

[@encinobalboa]

Yes, this video is long. However, spending time with a professional reinforces the need to train and re-train.

[@DookeyRidr]

Exactly. Two completely different platforms, one that rests the firing pin at the full-cock position, with a couple of weak sears holding a UD back. With the right amount of frame/slide jostle, while sitting upright in a retention holster… anything could happen.

[@kfelix2934]

@@DookeyRidr Have ever study the upgraed P320? It has s striker block, the striker is not moving forward if the T R I G G E R is not pulled. This has been debate, debunk, corrected ,etc...many many times. Even if the sear just melted like butter on a 103 degree Iraq night ,the striker is not going to move forward. Their's a YT channel called sig mechanic he does a great job explaining the P320. I still today have yet to see my P320 discharge by itself. Sig mechanic even have video out were he tried "manually to dislodge" the safety with tools and could not overcome the safeties.

[@fkrr5]

Great take

[@dougmajor6992]

I got my P320 on a trade, it looks like it has the original bird's head disconnector, but it won't fire even slightly out of battery.

[@seanpearson3244]

Great video.

[@telee19]

Is this nonsense being spoken at churches for real?

[@ruthlessray2]

12mins before actually talking about the gun. Just get straight to the point. Thanks

[@warrenrosen132]

Likes,to hear himself talk.

[@charles17508]

Is 40 to old to work twards working as a cop ?

[@40calnevadausa47]

Funny story. My mom went to the police academy at 42 and just retired and I’ve seen a 55 year old graduate from Nevada POST so no. 40 is not too young! As long as you can meet the mental and physical demands, I don’t think age is a prohibition.

[@charles17508]

@@40calnevadausa47 thank you .

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Yes…. Too old. It’s a young person’s job starting out. You’re not gonna be chasing 17 year olds with guns at age 40 and expect to be able to keep up. Also, “wondering” if you should be a cop is your answer right there. Those that wanted to be a cop, did so at age 21-25. They had a drive, passion and desire to COMMIT to the profession at a young age. In other words, they didn’t hymn and haw about becoming a cop or not for the past 19 years like you did. I sorry, but that’s just the facts. Being a cop is a mindset at a young age, not an afterthought when no other career or line of work, worked out.

[@thepatriotsrock2]

Got Sig P320 ? Hell No !!!

[@publius9606]

Another Glock fanboy heard from.....😂

[@thegreenberetlife0191]

Easily manipulated by Bloomberg anti gun lawyers! The P320 is a fantastic platform!

[@charles17508]

I would never get a 320 no way and no how there is something wrong with them and sig has a lot to explain.

[@thegreenberetlife0191]

Maybe you should learn how the gun works and see there is no way the gun can fire without the trigger being depressed. It has NEVER been replicated in a lab, attempted via multiple parties. Instead, you push a Bloomberg lawyer anti gun narrative because you’re most likely a fanboy of a different manufacturer that has been legally attacked by the same people. Well, that or you’re a m o r o n anti gunner!

[@ArmeroPR]

Its impossible for the 320 to discharge without pulling the trigger. It has 3 safeties in place.

[@fkrr5]

Except there's videos online of it going off while holstered

[@EDD519]

@@thegreenberetlife0191 dumnass !

[@paddypibblet846]

​@@fkrr5Oh yeah? We have a 4th dimensional video showing that those guns have nothing inside of the holster?

[@charlesbannister881]

Bullshit

[@EDD519]

right ! motorcycles don`t kill people ,people do ?

[@stargate7841]

You don’t have a normal holster, junk only