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[@itslindseytime22]

As soon as they said the sims 5 will be "multiplayer" I got immensely bad vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a "must be online at all times" game either. Which would frankly ruin it for me. The good news is that its such early days, if the sims community makes enough of a fuss there is a chance it could be saved

[@FrancescaLeann]

This is my hope!

[@danilanglois6785]

With a certain person being involved in the development, they will not change their course. Not until he is removed from the project. That is just my opinion though.

[@SBBunny93]

Your last sentence makes me laugh. The sims community makes a fuss daily on things STILL not fixed in TS4. To think that EA is listening to their player base is low key funny. As long as they can hype you up to get that presale coin they don’t care if you end up liking it or not because they already have gotten your money. EA does not care about their players.

[@DafneBoos]

@@danilanglois6785Im curious, who are you talking about? A simguru or?

[@danilanglois6785]

@@DafneBoos You can research it. Look into past projects of the guy and you May agree. Like I said, it is just my opinion.

[@SpiceQwin]

I feel like TS5 will be SO very focused on trying to attract new audiences, rather than satisfying what the existing core audience is asking for, and I think that none of these two audiences will be fully happy with the game and loyal to the game at the end. And I am afraid it will kill The Sims.

[@youngs8133]

Remember when they tried to attract Star Wars fans 🤭, I get being stagnant in profits is not good but simmers can only be pushed too far with cashgrabs

[@SpiceQwin]

I feel like one thing they can learn is they will not be stagnant in profits if they give players what they want. Like the whole world was asking for Generations, and when Growing Together came out it was the biggest hype I have ever seen for a pack. I hoped so much they would learn from TS4 and give us a great TS5 that we would want to throw the money on them for 🫠

[@sofiagiovanella4937]

​@@SpiceQwin They would make so much more money if they invested in this game. They already have a huge, loyal community. I wouldn't care about the price if the game was actually entertraining and worked well.

[@mrmr4622]

Well SimCity died but Cities Skylines emerged, if EA can't bring themselves to make a good product maybe it is time for Sims to die. Who knows maybe Paralives will become the next big thing

[@jaded_jupiter]

yes, exactly my vibes too. they will focus too much on new players, the current community and player base will be disappointed, and the very young audience they want to gain and get money from will probably find it too detailed and maybe boring even. Sims 4 already lacks much of the charm and character which makes the franchise what it is. adding ads for paid content, in game currency and micro transactions WILL kill the sims. i'm afraid but i'm kinda certain of it, at this point in time.

[@MrMixedGamer]

Don’t worry about being too critical, a lot of us are critical of the current direction of the sims BECAUSE of how much we love it and we know it can be better

[@ScrawnyTreeDemon]

This exactly ^^ When it comes to this series in particular, concerns wouldn't be voiced if they weren't coming from a genuine place of love. We as a community have always been very passionate, and hesitance to what could be very disruptive changes is only normal.

[@jaybeanzx]

Y’all are too soft, they’re legit scamming ppl with their broken overpriced ”content”, be critical stop letting them step over you

[@nethamoor7036]

@@jaybeanzx you can be critical towards smth you love and enjoy

[@lea-sega]

I find it ridiculous how some people feel bad about being critical of a game published by a multi billion company. Especially because said company is known for compromising quality in favor of money, meaning they are extremely cash grabby.

[@arikins_]

i thought maybe my love for the sims was something i could only find in my child mind. in adulthood, the sims 4 never caught on with me, even when i desperately tried. but then i tried sims 3 as an adult, and i remembered every single reason why i loved the sims. sims 4 being shit seriously feels like a bad breakup

[@StormEyes1991]

I am terrified for the Sims 5. I think Maxis did it great. But EA is souless.

[@Vault-Born]

Maxis was bought by EA only 10 years after it's founding. IN 1997. EA-maxis is older than Maxis itself and even older than me! Every game I've ever played by them was made by EA-maxis, not Maxis. It's time to stop acting like Maxis is nice and EA is evil, they are THE SAME.

[@roejin7365]

@@Vault-Born I think it was when the massive layoffs happened in 2015 along with the news of EA closing Maxis was what did it in. The passion seemed to die off along with their studios.

[@b4rs629]

​@@roejin7365It's sad because I would really love a new SimCity. I've got like 1300 hrs in on 2013 release

[@Zectifin]

@@Vault-Born nah they are still the parent company that devours developer studios and ruins them. I can always hate EA. Also I grew up playing a bunch of those Maxis games before EA bought them and ruined them. People have been playing games since before you were born.

[@Vault-Born]

@@Zectifin sure they have, but if your defense of a company is their actions 2 and a half decades ago, you're holding onto a ghost. few people who worked at Maxis 24 years ago are still working there. 2023 Maxis is just as greedy as EA because at this point there is no difference. don't be a fool

[@rmsdimples8533]

Imagine joining a neighborhood server and all the players are probably just building their house for the past 5 hours

[@campyqueen]

Bloxburg lmaoo

[@YAUUN]

And the other non biulder is running an incestuous murder cult.

[@issaissachur8077]

Bloxburg 8.0

[@isabellek-q3183]

Bloxburg but 10x more expensive + bugs!

[@alicetheangel-iplayroblox5184]

I don't want an another bloxburg 2.0

[@KoriKat]

If they make the Sims 5 a fortnite-like marketplace, they’ll be counting me out. They’re slowly breaking down their expansions packs slowly but surely (stuff packs, kits, etc) but going down to single items? It’s a no from me.

[@grace_nadine]

also what are they going to do for a “battle pass” style thing a “gameplay pass” where you have to do different achievements in the game to access ? lmao it makes no sense for the sims

[@umbellicalchick5635]

They had that for the sims 3 tbh

[@Elwaves2925]

@@grace_nadine They'll probably do that as a seasonal pass, expanding on what they've already been doing with those time limited scenarios. I fully expect Simoleons to be a currency that's buyable with real world money too.

[@KoriKat]

@@Elwaves2925 This sounds like a nightmare tbh 💀

[@kaylastarr7863]

​@@umbellicalchick5635there's things you can buy from the store but you have them in sims 4 right? Literally no different. It's not a fair comparison to say sims 3 is a fortnight style marketplace when you can completely disable it and not even notice.

[@Liltama]

My biggest worry is that it'll be playable on phone, that definitely creates a huge restriction on the content they can create, and I really wanted the Sims 5 to have more gameplay depth than Sims 4...

[@laurenharsma8440]

Hearing players like James and Deli talking about how TS4 is making efforts to be playable on all computers regardless of firepower…makes the “play on PC OR phone!!!” sound basically impossible. If you can’t place too many items in 4 for fear of lag on a high end PC, how are you meant to play on a phone? 🤔

[@nerdygem8620]

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't even think Sims on console is a good idea 🙃 Consoles are more powerful, but they can't keep up with PCs, and the controls are more restrictive. The Sims spinoff games DESIGNED for console were a much better experience imo.

[@laurenharsma8440]

@@nerdygem8620 TS4 on PS4 was unplayable after being familiar with PC. I couldn’t get past CAS

[@existenz_1]

Sims 4 is still having massive frame drops and simulation lag on my pc which is way above recommended system requirements. No way they're gonna optimize it for phones lol

[@grace_nadine]

@@nerdygem8620i’ve only played the sims on console bc i had one and didn’t have money to buy a pc and it functions essentially the same, just without cc and mods which i don’t care about anyway. adapting the game for mobile is so much more limiting to the game than adapting to console

[@cookiecomments846]

I’ve invested way too much time and money in the sims 4 to even consider buying sims 5

[@s1eepymommaaa]

Same. Close to $1,000. Won’t be putting any money into TS5 once it’s out.

[@virtleyford3764]

Right

[@imagebear8916]

Yah yah, we heard this one before.

[@redwitch95]

me but with ts3. and i reallyyyyy doubt ts5 is going to address the criticisms of ts4 within the broader series

[@YangBalanceYin]

@@imagebear8916 Exactly...

[@Kdkdleeme]

The more I play the Sims - the more and more I’m stoked about Paralives

[@davids1391]

Literally!!! This. I can't wait for paralives.

[@StarryInkArt]

AGREED! I’m so excited!

[@aKaaKa_44]

And Life by You!!

[@bigfatsmellyass]

i was thinking about that earlier omg

[@AuroraLalune]

Frfr

[@arithmechick]

Something tells me The Sims 5 is going to feature lots and lots of padlock icons.

[@One_in_hundred]

Sims team needs to combine all the fan favourites from all the past games and put them into the base game of Sims 5. They need to listen to the fans and stop with the mirco transactions and broken game packs.

[@NailArtMom]

Hahahaha, good one. “No problem, we give you the full experience for 80€ instead of 1000€” - no company ever.

[@One_in_hundred]

@@NailArtMom definitely not EA but Sims 2 was better run because it wasn't completely under EA.

[@One_in_hundred]

@@NailArtMom They can still have extension packs to milk. Just for the love of god, include Seasons and Pets in the base game. So tired of the same packs.

[@pigeon3264]

That would be great but big wig game devs rarely give people what they're asking for. They're more like "Well I know you wanted chocolate ice cream but I can only give you vanilla-but its all ice cream so you'll still enjoy it right?"

[@mmgs1148]

@@One_in_hundred definetely not, these are top selling

[@ViceCityExtra]

Imagine you dont have dogs unlocked cause you missed the sims 5 season 3 battle pass.

[@Morhan_Jehnez]

But you got the season 2 battle pass so now you have a bunch of season 3 teaser items that were added to make you feel the need to keep buying passes...

[@Alliecatastrophe]

as someone who plays games that have mobile ports your worries are completely valid cause lmao, companies do this all the time to make it 'accessible' to mobile and what they really do is just make a worse game

[@puan1211]

Yeah, mobile and non-mobile games should be kept seperate. In 99/100 cases it leads to a worse experience for everyone involved.

[@tannerparks6030]

Reminds me of when Blizzard announced a new Diablo game at E3 and everybody cheered then they said it was for mobile and everybody booed

[@AlexaFaie]

I play House Flipper and also the mobile version of the game which they quite rightly got developed by a mobile gaming company and didn't just try to do a port. Instead they made quite a good tablet game in its own right. Obviously not as detailed as the PC game, but still fun to play when I'm stuck in bed during a bad pain flare up. If they had tried to just create it for both from the beginning it would have ended up so limited.

[@anonymouschicken20]

Mobile games bring the cloud problem into the situation, like what happens with save files and where they are stored. If and I say if the game fully runs on cloud, I am worrying about its expiration date.

[@Alliecatastrophe]

@@AlexaFaie yes exactly, if they did what they did for house flipper it would be different but i have a feeling EA might not head that direction as they want to make the most money with least effort lol. But lets pray.

[@sneakydeekie5472]

The thing that scared me the most was when they announced that it will be free on launch. Because how are they planning on getting their money back for such a massive game? Intrusive monetisation, that’s how.

[@elijahh2220]

I think this will spell the end of the Sims franchise, like how SimCity fell -- but multiple "Simslikes" will rise from its ashes, like Life By You and Paralives. The fact that there are multiple coming up, too, means that the market will have healthy competition, promoting more affordable and better games. I'm not optimistic about the future of The Sims, but I'm very optimistic about its spiritual successors.

[@Ribeanie]

This is what I want to happen, like the cities skylines of Sims games

[@Zectifin]

Theres also a house building game that will have co-op coming out called Hometopia. It won't have the life sim part afterwards, but builders will probably love that game. Would be cool to see some of our favorite house builders make a youtube or stream building houses together.

[@ViolentMLG]

The only problem is that it will take a decade + for a legendary game to pop up most likely.

[@mugiwaerouma]

I genuinely love that EA no longer has a monopoly on life simulator games. I want to see more people take a stab at it

[@frostbluez]

It’s always seemed logical to me to just make a separate multiplayer life sim instead of trying to make the sims multiplayer, when it Just. Will not. Work.

[@avamagnanti5509]

it breaks my heart because its totally gonna be the end of the series. I have LOVED this series for ages and ages. I remember watching Sims 2 sad stories (i swear they had an official name in the community!) and lets plays when I was too young to know the controls, I remember playing Sims 3 on my friend's desktop in her garage after school so her mom couldn't hear us argue over the color wheel, I remember begging my mom for The Sims 3 and using target gift cards to get the packs when they were still disks. The Sims is a SANDBOX GAME. Multiplayer isn't the future, and it clearly isn't what simmers want. Hyper-realism isn't what simmers want. Extreme microtransactions worse than The Sims 3 store isn't what players want. Nobody wants their game dumbed down to work on somebody's phone. The Sims 5 seems like it will literally be the worst iteration of the series, and it seems like it'll completely kill it until another dev buys off the title and makes a reboot.

[@feckingloser]

Machinimas!!! I was obsessed with them.

[@hyejinmoon4882]

You know what the best part about Sims 3 store was? Yeah it was expensive, but it was..optional. There wasn't necessarily *GOOD* content locked behind it. It had some nice worlds and such, but you didn't HAVE to buy them because guess what? MODS and creators made worlds for free. I'm willin to bet a big reason why the Sims team doesn't allow custom world design now is so that we have to buy packs if we want new worlds.

[@mmgs1148]

@@hyejinmoon4882 to get a real farm life experience you had to purchase 2 store sets tho. And worlds came with some extra stuff like fixable car so custom worlds made by fans werent that nice, also the landscaping in many custom worlds was off, water/sand borders looked quite harsh. And obviously for the nicest ones you need packs or CC

[@wickedkat5061]

I agree. This is the End of the Sims

[@avamagnanti5509]

@@hyejinmoon4882 yes exactly. the base game and the packs came with enough content that i never had to buy from the store, and there were free custom worlds if you couldn't afford the pack.

[@shoolieee]

my biggest ick with sims 5 multiplayer is that people are… gross and i don’t want people to turn it into games like second life or imvu with mods :(

[@mi1kguts]

the idea of kids playing innocently and predators using the in game mechanics to groom them.....yikes

[@soggycookie345]

Gurl that’s why you gotta turn a blind eye and keep it stepping or if you’re having a bad game bully them

[@Makinithailssley]

Yes I thought about imvu and all the toxic stuff I experienced on there! Ahhh 😂

[@JBurridge06]

That’s not going to happen. They already confirmed that only your friends that you’ve specifically added to your friends list can join your sessions. And that’s only if you set your game to be joinable.

[@oscarkamala]

it’s only with friends

[@jorrdan.]

Honestly seeing new competition arriving on the market with dev teams that are full of passion and lack the restraints of greedy corporate execs, I think the sims may have had her run. Sims 4 is easily the weakest game in the franchise in terms of gameplay and the strongest in terms of aggressive monetization and with the news about Sims 5… it doesn’t seem to be getting any better. I really hope I’m wrong but it may be time for the sims to meet its end

[@Elwaves2925]

I have a similar pov as you do. I just said in my own comment that the only thing that gave me hope was it being on Unreal Engine. Which was the first thing I heard, after that it's all gone downhill. I fully expect them to make Simoleons buyable with real world currency.

[@elixtirr2611]

⁠ god, the sims is gonna become a cheesy multiplayer online social game with in-game micro-transactions where you can buy clothes, accessories, and even simoleons with some kind of SimPoint system. If I wanted to play Movie Star Planet or Animal Jam as a Sim-type game, I would. There are no expectations for those games to be anything more than what they are, really. But this is the *Sims* for God’s sake. That comes with expectations of fun and dynamic gameplay, of huge additions of *working* content being released that enhance that gameplay. With this extreme cash-grabby model, gameplay will be completely peripheral to the monetized clothes, accessories, and minor gameplay features. I know I may sound overly cynical, but I don’t think my predictions are far off, especially considering where the Sims 5 seems to be going.

[@bipbop3121]

​@@Elwaves2925which at that point, they would need revolutionary game play too ignore that. I can earn real money to buy real things, even if far fewer, at least they don't go away, when the server shuts down or my account gets banned for a crime I didn't commit. There are plenty of actual things that are trying to play the mtx, sub game, too. I don't buy that shit, either. They are also terrible. Nothing fun or relaxing about that bullshit. No, I don't want to pay $20-100k to use things in the Sims 5, any more than I want to pay $50k for a 3-5 year shitty driving experience that will leave me stranded on the road, when it bricks it, before that time is up.

[@BrandiG31]

I'm also really concerned that the Sims 5 is so focused on being multiplayer & mobile. I don't have much hope for it anymore :(

[@Alluringrat]

See I’d love to play sims on my phone in similar style to minecraft where it’s not as advanced on mobile but you still get to build, create characters and interact with the world rather than being forced to follow a story line in the sims freeplay. Also it may be more accessible to other people IF the mobile game is relatively cheap, once again minecraft mobile is like £5. Not everyone can afford to have a laptop/pc AND to buy games. I know the Sims 5 or any game for that matter is a want not a need but it would be nice to have that option. However, I can see how multiplayer&mobile push might not make the experience good, especially to the generations that grew up on the sims1-4 :/

[@Gustoberg]

The sims 5 is going to be what the sims 4 was first planned to be basically 😕

[@Elaini-Gaming]

I don't think mobile games overall have the same potential as good as the PC or console game ones.

[@nicoach1817]

@@Elaini-Gaming no one cares

[@Elaini-Gaming]

@@nicoach1817 "No one cares" or "who cares" are some of the most unnecessary rhetorical statements to begin with. Each time the real answer is "someone does" and you know it.

[@cassidyaustin11]

I think the best reassurance you can remind yourself about right now is that it’s still in such early development that these things are most likely still being decided on, and since they’re sharing aspects of development with us that means they’re more likely to take feedback like this video into consideration

[@lilacpenguin5329]

I agree with this 100%, because this is very true! There's no reason to worry ourselves over something that's not even finished. It's not in our control and we can't predict the future with the info we have now, so we just have to wait.

[@emiliaantemes4696]

I agree!!! But I’m also so glad plumbella is talking about this and hopefully EA are listening to long time fans of the franchise and implementing/ taking into consideration their concerns and wants. I really hope TS5 is a great game

[@juliannadouglass8844]

Exactly and now that they've also got not 1 but 2 new competitors that the community are excited for, I hope that it'll help to drive The Sims to do better and to listen to our feedback. If they don't, they're gonna die out and they know it. We have hope!

[@flw1522]

I hope they will actually take into consideration the sims community worries even if it feels like it’s too late on their side, some details could make or break the project

[@okapibibi]

There's plenty of worry about the mobile version of TS5, and while I understand and dread the possibility of it being too chained to mobile or even multiplayer, I think even the Sims team don't know yet what to do in the mobile mode. It doesn't make sense to worry so much about it right now. Plus, The Sims has strong competition now. No one knows how seriously EA sees the competition, but the fact that it now exists and its own community is showing interest in these other games might make them think twice before aggressively changing the game we love.

[@HeisenbergFam]

14:55 "I just want a good game" is such a mood, but knowing its EA keep your expectations low, so you wont be disappointed

[@lototheflo9640]

I’m the opposite. I’m going to hold them to the standard they set and if they dip below it then they aren’t getting my money. I won’t reward their scheming.

[@lemoniphobia]

you have an amazing taste in youtubers omg

[@oanafl]

@@lemoniphobia I know right? I always see this account 😄

[@feverishpoptart]

The sims has been my favorite game franchise since it started but I am not happy with the direction it’s going in either. I will happily play the older games forever if the Sims 5 goes south. Excited to see what happens with Paralives and Life by You. They may not be perfect replacements but I’m tired of being nickel and dimed by EA.

[@vivalamew]

Add the amount of people still playing Sims 2 and 3 that intentionally don't watch sims 4 youtubers and I think there are masses of people who would skip EA for basically any company doing a lifesim.

[@itsmxt]

Hopefully Paralives is out before or around the same time as Sims 5. I want a new Sim type game but Sims 5 sounds horrible so this would be the perfect time to switch over to Paralives. I will still play the old sims games of course.

[@stinegregersen6553]

I relate so hard to not knowing if you’re upset because of a big change or if the change is genuinely bad

[@wickedkat5061]

As someone without Autism, I can safely say these changes are horrible and terrifying.

[@stinegregersen6553]

@@wickedkat5061 thank you 🫡

[@sknk.hunt42]

@@wickedkat5061 as someone with autism, thank you

[@hehoihallowatfijn]

To everyone the change seems genuinely bad atm.

[@evest7829]

I've recently gotten into a different franchise entirely (Yakuza/Judgment) and the funny thing about it is that it gained an international fanbase when that wasn't even the goal. The game developers specifically narrowed down their desired core audience to adult Japanese men, but now it is especially popular among Japanese women and western men - so the exact opposite of what they planned. But the fanbase is now many times bigger than they anticipated. What their decision did was give them the opportunity to really focus on what the game is supposed to be, narrow it down and then make it *really* good down to the details. EA on the other hand tries so damn hard to please EVERYONE that it doesn't really fully please anyone, because they've lost their identity. There is no attention to detail anymore, just a neverending stream of more and more unnecessary stuff in hopes that something sticks. Making it playable on mobiles is proof of that. But by trying to widen their audience so extremely, I feel that they are actually limiting it at this point, because it doesn't really speak to anyone. There's no soul behind it. I know I won't buy it.

[@Jot176]

Yo, if RGG ever goes down the EA route I'm gonna lose all hope in the game industry

[@bellindajane8452]

It’s like the sims team were just starting to connect with players in terms of what we want, but now we’re just right back to a complete disconnect between what they think we want and what we actually want

[@fransmith3255]

They are not remotely interested in what you want. They are completely and only interested in what they can sell you...

[@greifate]

To be fair, it is most likely EA pulling all the big strings behind the scenes. They have shown time and time again how greedy they can be. And the sims team are just forced to serve up whatever they order inspite of their own wants or opinions. To EA the Sims franchise is their big cash cow and they likely want it to stay that way.

[@bellindajane8452]

@@greifate oh yeah 100%. I feel like no one still has a good opinion of ea these days

Thank you Plumbella for blessing us with your 100% honest and unbiased review and opinion.

[@xavierpaige5937]

idk about you but I can feel the anxiety through the screen. such a different energy in this video, and for good reason.

[@gordonramslay9955]

i see you or ur pfp everywhere bro. hello my guy

[@joshh7017]

You have a great taste in youtubers

[@jessi5401]

I’ve been an avid player since TS1. Gave TS4 chance after chance. Stopped playing about a year ago and realized I’m done with the franchise.

[@glamoursangel]

Me 2!!! I uninstalled sims 4 a year ago and modded sims 3 for playing... Haven't went back

[@TheSillyPotato]

I feel the same. I'm still stuck on The Sims 1, with the occasional Sims 2/Sims 3. Sims 4 just doesn't look or feel fun, and I've given it a go several times (I even bought it on the release day)..

[@sofiagiovanella4937]

Yeap, that's the feeling.

[@lish6026]

I'm close to the same. I still enjoy the sims 4, however it's so buggy which makes it impossible to play so I rarely ever play it. Maybe a couple times a year just to see if it's fixed. It's not. Lol

[@valeriekohoutova7618]

Fr. I really just play sims 3. It's superior to sims 4. Like idk why are they trying to ruin this game for us.

[@Ribeanie]

The Sims 2 was the best sims, all the effort that went into it is tangible. The little animations like the pizza car etc, the custom content, the stories etc. It was just unbeatable. The sims 3 and 4 should've just been the sims 2 with new objects, additional building tools (that you can even access in the sims 2 with cheats!), and updated gfx. New expansions etc. Sims 4 was rubbish from the start, it's gotten better over time but it's lost soooooo much of what made sims 2 magic for me.

[@feelinglostinthepeople]

I can’t remember the last time I played the Sims 4, but I’m still playing the Sims 2 to this day. Throw in some mods and cc in there and it’s chef’s kiss 🤌

[@pandaitis0157]

Sims4 honestly just sucks. I love sims3. There was always something to do. Even with only the base game. But Sims4 is so lifeless and dull. If you have only the base game, you might as well not even play.

[@katlyndobransky2419]

TS2 was great but TS3 will always be my fav

[@kyndramb7050]

Sims 2 is my all time favourite.

[@UghieYucky]

Exactly, I really miss the pop culture mood of Sims 2 and Bustin’ Out

[@BrookieHorror]

Idk how many times I have to say it but all I want is to buy a game, know up front what I’m paying, and get ALL the features. This is part of why The Sims has been so great. I think I’ll just continue playing TS4 because I’ve invested so much and we have almost everything I’ve wanted now so 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@hollyhough8599]

EXACTLY. i dont wanna pay monthly for a game when i dont even know what content im getting. TS4 is so heavily based on customization why would they put outfits/items behind a play wall

[@Zectifin]

I've never bought a sims game when it is new because its always a downgrade content-wise with better graphics. I wait until things that should be essential base game stuff, like pets, seasons, apartments have been added. I'm not gonna buy a $60 game thats barebones contentwise and get bored of it. I'll wait till its on sale and several of said expansions are too.

[@fleetwoodmak777]

I'm worried about it becoming incompatible like the sims 3

[@velevetyy]

lol i feel like sims 4 is lowkey the reason why its acceptable in the gaming industry to release unfinished buggy garbage not even finished garbage to the world. battle passes and microtransaction marketplaces are also the plague. i hope more people especially those who have paid heaps on the games speak out or boycott future packs. modding should be free, any game released that isn't a demo should be complete. i dont hate whales but id rather whales be treated nice AND basegame players have a decent experience if theres a paid content aspect. like skullgirls, i bought the game and i can play all the 2e characters and their stories, fight other players etc etc. DLC is entirely new characters that are finished and polished, with their own story and pallettes and ingame voicelines, voicepacks and i think some extra skins. but on its own is a complete experience, ive never felt the need to buy a dlc to make the game function better/feel complete, only that i think the character is cool. even in the mobile game, you only pay for like gacha and currency, but its easy to grind and is enjoyable and complete as a f2p. the devs treat the players well, by showing us progress reports, bug fixes, good updates etc. and so i have zero issue giving them my money. even FNAF security breach redeemed itself by making a really cool free DLC when the base game is horrible, showing they listened to the fans and put their effort into more engaging gameplay, using unused content and scary atmosphere. even when the basegame is broken you can tell they really tried and put love and care into the map and other details. ffs i was more impressed with sonic boom than the sims 4, they never truly fixed the game or did much more with the boom franchise but i know if nintendo and sega didn't screw over the development team it would've been awesome, and hey the game was at least finished too. even yandere dev doesn't charge people whenever he finally finished that one game mode or adds a new feature/rival/dumb easter egg. i don't like the direction microsoft is taking minecraft, but you don't pay 20 bucks for every new update and feature, and some of the updates have been phenomenal and giant like the caves and cliff, village and pillage, nether updates etc. when there is an event/update in honkai impact, i'm free to play it, i don't have to pay to be in a cute cafe for a bit or to access my base or play a different mode, the grind is awful like any mhy game but i don't have to pay, and old items come back time to time so u can get them for free.

[@MissTruthz]

The only reason why I have almost everything I want in sims for is because of the mods 😔

[@secretlybees]

I suspect they're going remove the ability to add mods from anywhere, and make them exclusive to a sims store. You may have to pay access to them, and since they'd be in the gallery or something they may be able to show up in others' games. I have no recourses that suggest this, but it's my theory

[@sidneyirene6019]

This is what EA does, it’s what they’ve always done. They will release games with missing content from previous games, implementing random stuff that no one wants, and taking the missing content and putting it back behind pay walls. My dad and I have been talking about stuff like this happening for years so I’m upset but not surprised.

[@thesecretnewbie8872]

the free-to-enter is literally the same shit Disney was doing with Toontown, Club Penguin, Pirates of the Caribbean, Pixie Hollow, and their other MMOs. Kingsisle still has this business model now with Wiz101 and Pirate101 and literally everything is pay-to-play with memberships or dedicated currency (crowns). The games are still afloat thanks to PvP whales and the minority willing to shell out hundreds to thousands of dollars for the games. A lot of Sims players are like this. Just look at the people that change their tune from "I hate EA" to "I just pre-ordered the new pack lol luv the Sims

[@Crawlingdreams418]

The monetization part is probably the worst prediction ever. What I loved about 2000s gaming is that games either gave you bonuses for progressing through the game with good scores and stuff or just gave you bonuses to increase your likelihood of winning boss fights. Or (in case of sims games) gave you the opportunity to use the diverse content implemented while adding your own if you feel like it. Expansion packs may be quite pricey for some fans, but they are a lesser evil compared to Fortnight-style monetization

[@NaturalAegyo]

In order for that to work they'd have to remember that this is a GAME and not a home decorating sim. Not that we don't love that aspect of it, but in the last year they've cranked out record content with as little gameplay as possible.

[@SunkenShip]

I feel like they introduced Kits to try to ease us into the idea of paying for little new things

[@Rabellaka.]

😂 did you play 2 or 3? Both have/had a store where you could buy kits or individual items.

[@amandadadesky5192]

The best way to show you deeply care about something is to be willing to look at it honestly, and with a critical eye. You keep doing what you're doing, Jess. 💟

[@loganshane]

The biggest reason I still have faith in The Sims 5 is that they are being more transparent about their process (at least more than previous iterations). But I agree that EA's obsession with making The Sims franchise a micro-transaction / subscription model is never going to work unless they are satisfied with changing their fundamental audience.

[@eizthetics2693]

What we love about you is your honesty Plumbella. Despite being a game changer, you're not afraid to provide constructive criticisms about the franchise which I believe is the purpose of being a game changer. We know that your criticisms are coming from a good place. Don't second guess yourself or your insights about the game. We stan and love u Plumbella ❤

[@phoenix_and_dragon]

💯💯💯💯!!!

[@pip4773]

The only channels I trust are Plumbella and LGR, they always tell us whats what.

[@eizthetics2693]

@@pip4773 Plumbella and LGR are also my go to Simmers for pack reviews. I also like SatchonSims.

[@courtneypaige18]

This ❤

[@the.sapling]

⁠@@pip4773 never heard of LGR, I go to pixelade he covers EVERYTHING

[@HologramSmam]

I think they'll go the Dreamlight Valley route. The game is on consoles, PC and mobile, and has both premium currencies and a "battle pass." I can't see it going any other way tbh.

[@Faefire]

oof, I agree, but I don't like it. I stopped playing Dreamlight Valley because the microtransactions were awful. Don't want that to happen to the sims as well.

[@irisfattorini1079]

yes makes sense! i hate it lol

[@baymoo]

@@Faefire agreed i was about to buy it or preorder it when it came out but when people started talking about the mircotransactions i was like NOPE and didn't thank god. like i don't mind microtransactions but i know myself i can't just buy something one and done if i see something i like i gotta buy it and i been tryna stop myself in that way because its really expensive for an ingame outfit or accessory you're prob gonna only use once.

[@maidofthemisty]

that game pissed me off so much that I'm using a cheat engine, because I wanted to just play the story not grind for my life. After i beat the story, I realized how empty and sad the game is, if you can even call it that. I feel for those who are grinding it out for nothing, and horribly buggy as well.

[@plasmantics]

I regret buying dreamlight valley. The microtransactions are RIDICULOUS

[@Ashbrash1998]

I think whats happening is the people behind the Sims now aren't reading the room when it comes to their customers. With all the overcharged dlc's limiting the game engine to port to multiple devices, etc.

[@kryw10]

They’re reading a room, but it’s not the room the players are in.

[@indedgames4359]

Engin Limits ar aculy wro g as the engin isnt limitet

[@hallo4411]

what they are reading we release overprised stuff people complain yet still buy. So of course they don't change anything money speaks louder than complains.

[@LivPC]

They want to attract new players to the franchise (just like the 'free to play' status of the sims 4), especially mobile players. They probably think they will be able to keep the current player base regardless of what they do (since we complain a lot about the game, but keep buying the DLCs), so they don't care about what our room thinks 🤷 well, i will wait a while before buying the sims 5, i'm not going to give EA my money if the game sucks

[@kryw10]

@@hallo4411 this is why I tell people to stop buying, but they don’t.

[@cryssyplays9517]

I agree with you completely. The main thing I'm worried about is their monetization. If it's too greedy, I'm fine being done with the new Sims and just continue to play the old ones

[@Aylaahh]

I always appreciate plumbella for her honesty, especially being such a well-known sim youtuber who doesn’t butter it up for the sake of defending “the sims” - it’s refreshing to hear her acknowledge the continuous ways the franchise fails their core players with every unnecessary update while offering her opinion. One of the best simmer KZbinrs for sure and I don’t want her to change

[@lucysullivan7254]

One of the best simmers with one of the best communities that don't promote toxicity ❤

[@cr0wzzz]

"I just want to be able to buy a game and to have what I've got in the game" Same 😭😭😭😭😭

[@weebleflufflycakes7238]

Jess is like a mother who's child's been acting out, but she knows they can do better, and The Sims is the child.

[@junerose7868]

this feels so accurate agsjsj

[@DarayaVahu]

For me, the biggest red flag popped up when I heard "how little can we get away with" on the last livestream presenting sims 5

[@beansandboarsontherun5762]

Yeah, I was like... intrigued right up until they said *that* and the rest of the showcase was soured because I absolutely couldn't move past that. The sims 4 is a great fkn example of why that exact sentiment is really, Really bad.

[@heyimneverland8451]

YES!!! like what does that even mean

[@avamagnanti5509]

i still cannot believe they really said that part out loud with a smile on their faces. im honestly stunned.

[@glamafonic]

I agree that that was a terrible soundbyte, but they weren't talking about the game itself. They were explicitly talking about minimizing/streamlining the UI to avoid clutter and confusion.

[@genthespacewitch]

@@glamafonic Exactly, if you take that phrase out of context it sounds terrible, but that's just it, taking it out of context changes the intended meaning. They weren't talking about the game as a whole, just the complexity of the UI. I think people might be panicking juuuuuust a little bit.

[@jopeterson6235]

You have summed up exactly how I feel. I am shit scared for the sims 5. The Sims was my childhood and still is a massive part of my life. I want the feeling I had and still have whilst playing the sims 2 and sims 3.

[@elliotk7856]

online multiplayer could make sense in events like sims 4's flea market, prom or Finchwick fair. It would be fun to enter a cow competition with my friend at the Finchwick fair and see who *actually* has the better cow!👀😂 it would have to be an option though, I don't want my goofy cow to feel bad for loosing all the time

[@AlexaFaie]

I saw a thing about how with sims 5 you can only play one household per save file which to me is a total game killer. I mostly build and occasionally play, but not for very long with any one family. But I liked Sims 2 where you could play different families and it wouldn't progress time for the other families you're not focused on so that you could tell an interconnecting story if you wanted to. I liked that level of control. So was sad when that wasn't possible in sims 4, but at least I can create lots of families to fill out my neighbourhood. Seems like sims 5 planning to be only the one household would just be so boring. And very annoying having to make more and more save files just to have different households. If that happens then I'm most definitely not going to be playing Sims 5. I don't care if its free to play. I won't play out of principle.

[@user-uj2ft2zn6o]

In the sims 4 you can change the settings to only automatically age up sims you aren’t playing, or only automatically age up sims in your active household, so it is possible to not have sims age up automatically until you play them as an active household, etc

[@isabellahutsteiner9208]

that would suck so hard, i only play the sims for neighbourhood drama, connecting different families and such, it would absolutely kill it for me to only being able to play with one household 😭😭

[@bruisedmagic]

I do rotational play in sims 4 and you can totally set aging off for households you are not currently playing, they still 'do' stuff in the meantime, it doesn't totally freeze them but for the most part nothing major happens and obviously they don't age

[@SimnovoriiLurve]

That better not be true. It would be unplayable for me. Even in my 100 babies challenge I am doing rotational play 💀

[@dclqworm]

Oh this would be a KILLER

[@Thaelia1]

I personally believe the "Always online" is a trend to avoid piracy. Does... Diablo, or Assassin's Creed need to be always online? No absolutely not, but in that way they can control the narrative. PLUS! history is showing that microtransactions are the cashgrab of the moment. As of right now, i believe EA is trying to apply this model to The Sims 5 for maximum profit, not realizing it's not compatible with the Sims format.

[@lunacouer]

Games are able to do DRM without always being online, but if they aren't, they can't do is precise market analysis. When they're able to monitor how we play (time spent in CAS, BB, sim interactions, collecting, skill-building, etc), that tells them where they'll make the most money off of microtransactions 😑

[@h.d.harris_irl]

That does nothing against piracy, I've seen lots of "always online" games cracked basically immediately It just depends on if there's a demand big enough to make them wanna crack it

[@MegaCocoa125]

Nah. It's about always being able to sell us something. EA used to use a code system to prevent piracy, but that also made it so games couldn't be shared or sold.

[@redwitch95]

I think the Sims 5 is going to be to the Sims what the SimCity 2013 was to SimCity, and SC2013 didn't even have the warning shot that was TS4 to precede it.

[@junniperjess1639]

I have an awful feeling you're right. I bought SimCity 2013 shortly after its release but wasn't happy with it and switched to Cities : Skylines as soon as I could. Now C:S 2 is set to release this fall and there still hasn't been another SimCity. I'm just hoping one of these Sims alternatives will be able to take its place the same way Cities: Skylines did. Super interesting that Life By You is also published by Paradox Interactive.

[@anonymouschicken20]

That's what the Sims 4 almost became before they realized that it was a horrible idea...I have some hope that they remember what the early 2010's online games did to EA. SimCity got axed, Command and Conquer 4 got axed. Both games killed their franchise just because they were online (alongside some other bad choices)

[@oldgamerwitch]

Nah. The Sims 5 is gonna be a hit. The fortnite model works for a reason. EA knows what they're doing. It's addictive. If you even check it out. They're provably gonna have you on the hook from jump.

[@28_futaba]

​@@oldgamerwitchI think it wouldn't work for Sims fanbase though.

[@bipbop3121]

​@@oldgamerwitchfortnite works with its gameplay. Shooting unruly rude netizens, is very different than living in a community with them, where all the virtual you play with is individual mtx

[@crissy4445]

That debate you have every time something changes like 'is this bad or is it just autism' is SO relatable

[@FantasticaB]

The issue is how shoddy the work on Sims 4 has been, houses with no doors and toilets and the fact that one $60 pack gives us barely any gameplay. I’d love Sims 5 to become a passion project that they really care about and isn’t just a money grab. I’m happy to pay if it’s worth it but also scared that since we already pay for bad product that they’ll just continue on with what they’ve been doing.

[@jessc6157]

I completely understand these feelings and I come from exactly the same place. Part of me is really angry because they keep pumping out more and more new stuff to take our money and they never fix basic things and we then have to rely on the mod community who do a fantastic job. Like my wedding stories came out less than 18 months ago and is still so broken and was never fixed, same with high school years. I get they’re a business and need to generate profits but it feels as though they’re taking advantage of our love of the franchise and assuming that will be enough to keep us invested no matter how broken the game is.

[@ciaraW88]

I was shocked when I installed my wedding stories again recently to see if the bugs had been fixed and it was still so completely broken I couldn't have a wedding. Such poor quality control

[@lunacouer]

@@ciaraW88 I can get it to work...if I have small weddings (not many people, everything's really close together). It's BS, since this is a special lot type that's supposed to be geared towards all these activities, so we should be able to invite the max amount. But if I don't keep them small, they all get stuck in simulation lag or talking to each other so I can't get them to cut the cake or dance together 😒

[@lunacouer]

They just fixed Dine Out in the last patch...7 years after release. I think the best we can hope for now is they'll leave a skeleton crew behind to fix the biggest bugs when Sims 5 releases - things like the DHD career, which was supposed to be what bumped it from a Stuff Pack to a Game Pack, but still doesn't work.

[@clos4824]

I really wish they would take all the good aspects of previous Sims games and try to implement them into the Sims 5. Also take a lot of popular player requests and suggestions into consideration. The Sims team could hopefully learn from past mistakes and take their time and make a stable base game

[@amyvickers3610]

I absolutely agree. Anybody looking with their eyes open would see this is exactly what Sims players want. It baffles me how there so ignorant and nonchalant to it 😢

[@rubyred6600]

My biggest complaint about Sims 4 is EAs need to put limitations in order for weaker computers to run the game (I get it but ugh) I want Sims 3 and Sims 2 to have a baby

[@stuffwithsoph8264]

honestly i agree cause people talk about "its more accessible!!" but like Sims is a GAME a to reasonably run games you need to invest in a pc or buy it on console. Maybe this is a bad take but it effectively lowered the bar and i garuntee that open world will never be a thing again

[@2lazydidntpickahandle]

Which is funny because my PC still sounds like a damn jet trying to take off if the games running for more than an hour.

[@tonichan89]

It feels like it's also relevant that a large part of the playerbase is female and games for women is generally not take as seriously, nor is it treated with as much respect. The female playerbase then also takes *itself* less seriously, and doesn't make those investments because the companies set this low bar for the games, and the games aren't impressive enough to entice the femme players to want to invest in a better pc. It's a cycle, feels like.

[@BTPFTW]

The problem is that the Sims 4 is practically a retro game. Is nearly 10 years old, and it's trying to compete w/ the modern gaming market, while still trying to run on old machines. The sims 4 is older than the apple watch and apple pay

[@Tgsva352]

How thats just a convenient excuse to concern troll critics of the lackluster and low quality of the sims 4 and consumers have been gaslighting themselves into believing it.

[@Oh_DeER_1_1o1_1]

I believe a red flag is that the game still being called “project Rene” at EA conferences

[@anderramsey7880]

Does anybody remember that the sims already had an MMO style game? I played it as a kid and it was pretty popular. It was kinda like Second Life. You had your own house and private plots but when you went to locations that was where it became an MMO and you could meet with people and chat.

[@existenz_1]

Yeah, I came to realize that I'm simply no longer the target audience for the Sims. Oh well, I can still enjoy Sims 2 and 3. And I'll be checking out Paralives when it's out

[@marianneschaldemose]

I am not afraid of change, I don't mind games going new ways gameplay vise. But I think Ill pass on Project Rene, as I think the monetising will be like Fortnight or Dreamlight valley, and the fear of missing out (fomo).

[@paulamaje5517]

They already do the Fomo thing in sims 4!!! The newest packs had extra items if you pre ordered it.

[@marianneschaldemose]

@@paulamaje5517 True, I did not think about that. im just afraid it will be much worse.

[@paulamaje5517]

@@marianneschaldemose it probably will be 100 times worse 😭😭😭

[@Paradox_Incognito]

I wouldnt be surprised if they completely ditched ts4 after 5 comes out. I mean, they left ts3 in the sorriest states, so it's plausible that they'd jump from one ship to another without looking back.

[@amandakushner8665]

And they may be getting rid of Sims three on their app when the Sims five comes out they did just like they did the Sims two took it away

[@martyna7058]

My issue is the cc "marketplace" - it will obviously be moderated, which means no place for violent or mature mods and they will have to be downloaded from the internet anyway. I hope the existance of the marketplace doesn't take away the normal ability to add mods straight into the folder !

[@brittanymartin6279]

I’m wondering if it’ll be more of a Dreamlight Valley model for in-game purchases? Like maybe the option to spend $ will be there but it’ll allow the player to accumulate ‘experience points’ by completing Whims, aspirations/milestones, and scenario tasks?

[@toolongcouldntread3111]

I think the Sims target audience is no longer OG players but perhaps maybe trying to convert mobile type players to console. They also maybe targeting a younger audience that don't remember the days when you bought a complete game. The current game is already crazy expensive I can't see a world where a microtransaction type game succeeds with it its current player base.

[@KaiLucasZachary]

Let's try to use that argument: For the first one: "mobile gamers" just aren't going to become people who actually play games on a desktop or laptop for hours at a time. Anyone who is a "mobile gamer" is an underage kid who can't afford anything their parents won't give them or someone who does it when they have spare time in a waiting room. Someone who "games" on their phone is in no way the same as a PC player, so to trying to "convert" them is rather pointless. They're two entirely different types of people. For the second one: let's suppose they are trying to reach a younger demographic (which is stupid in itself, because why would you turn away good, loyal customers from decades before?). If that **is** the goal, I understand the more cartoonish style and silly animations. I even sort of understand a higher-up executive saying that younger kids don't actually care about gameplay that much (which is stupid, but I can imagine an executive who knows nothing about games saying it). EVEN IN THAT CASE, how many expansion packs do they think they can put out for 12-yr-olds before the parents are going to say enough's enough? EVEN IF it were only kids buying the game, what parent - if told ahead of time - would pay ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for a video game for their kid (if you want everything included in Sims 4)? I understand the arguments you're trying to make, but even those arguments don't stand up to people who actually have to pay bills and have a mind of their own when it comes to consumerism.

[@carissafletcher1855]

the big thing is EA is going to HAVE TO do better for TS5, with Paralives and Life by You coming out, if EA does not deliver and if those games do deliver, then sad to say EA will be done.

[@tonichan89]

As much as I love the sims franchise... I kind of want them to get a beating like that, just like with Sim City. I want them to feel the sting after all these years that they've taken us for granted. It feels like it's the only way they'd take the job remotely seriously for at least 5 minutes.

[@Milkpastasoup]

unfortunately, realistically, ea would just try and buy those new games instead. so they could then run them into the ground so the sims stays at the top. plenty of companies do this with their competition. and EA? they're a multi billion collar company. they've already ruined plenty of franchises when they weren't even competition to begin with.

[@lilacpenguin5329]

@@Milkpastasoup They didn't do it with Cities Skylines. There's gonna be a Cities Skylines 2 later this fall. I'm willing to risk being optimistic.

[@alexandracenuse8762]

yeah, I started playing TS4 quite late (like 2018-2019) and that's when paralives was also starting to gain traction. After a couple of months of playing the sims I was like "woweee can't wait for Paralives to be out cause TS4 is NOT it". I play the sims religiously still, but honestly about as soon as Paralives is out I might jump ship. They're going to lose a lot of money and fans, with probably only the dedicated fanbase who has been playing The Sims ever since TS2 remaining due to emotional connection to the game and stuff.

[@JimMcThim]

It’s hard for me to say anything more than just I’m right there with ya Jess. Sims 2 was my fav of all of them, and I’d love to see that passion put into a Sims game once again

[@angussneef]

You’d have to resurrect Maxis. RIP

[@Rabellaka.]

Sims 2 was my favourite too. I would love a Sims 2 game with upgraded graphics, walkable neighborhoods or world, and the building ease of Sims 4.

[@juliannadouglass8844]

Personally I do feel some hope for TS5 now because of Paralives and Life by You coming out. Competition is what fuels companies to be better and do better. I think it's gonna make the Sims want to be better and make them listen to us because they don't want to "lose" us to their competition. The Sims has gone without a worthy competitor for too long and now they've got 2. They've gotta step it up and I think that means that we have some hope.

[@userafw]

I remember one place that I worked for over 10 years...one of their mottos was "underpromise and overdeliver". It was a seasonal tax business. But they had been in the same location, and are still in that location, 15 years later. This is far longer than most tax businesses that do not employ CPAs or EAs. The owner of the franchise built her whole business around that motto, and now has so many customers that no more major marketing is even needed: the office is at capacity, with only 8 desks for 3000 returns per season. Hype only goes so far. In the long term, if you hype something up, but in the end you disappoint, you lose customers and business. This is a lesson EA apparently has not learned yet. Their marketing cycle is SO predictable: hush hush to build anticipation. Then release a video showing ALL the features of the game and hold nothing back. Then the game comes out, and players are disappointed that there really is just no more to it.

[@Toadette-]

I hope the Sims 5's release doesn't mean EA will stop updating the Sims 4. They may *think* we want a new, exciting game with updates every week; but in reality, most of us just want new content for the game we've been playing for eight years...

[@jessc6157]

We just want a game that works 😭 sick of having to use mods to fix basic things!

[@trevello]

they most likely will stop updating it. they left the sims 3 broken :(

[@mystichlo]

i wouldn’t hold out on that. i’m a sims3 girlie & they up & abandoned it basically as soon as ts4 came out :/

[@josieblue]

yeah that ain’t gonna happen unfortunately, sincerely a sims 3 player

[@tannerparks6030]

If the Sims 5 is a complete disaster then they might continue updating the Sims 4 to keep people interested while they try to fix all the inevitable monetization problems with 5

[@bigdiehlenergy]

I'm more invested in upcoming competition at this point, like paralives. I feel like the sims hit it game play wise with 2, and feature wise with 3, and it feels like its all just a cashgrab now. It's sad, but I think this franchise has run its course for me.

[@sixyellowwalls]

I think it’s tough too because the Sims 4 has been the Current Game ™️ for longer than ANY has been so far. The amount they’ve poured in is so massive that I think ALL current players will have a verrrry hard time transitioning. (Never mind those of us who’ve been special interest-ing since 2000! Christ!!)

[@kaylaq.caribou]

I have the same desktop background and you minimizing and going to your background startled me, I thought my window shut down.

[@ChronicC4]

hey. love your confidence, openness and freedom displayed within your video. pure beauty Jess. new fan. subscribed. you remind me of someone who isnt here anymore. Love the sims, although 1 up to 3 for me as personal pref. youtube algorithms led me here, been searching sim related content only for the past week. wild. happy I found you. Gamers are awesome, ur vibe alone swooped me away. snap i talk too much. anywho, personal req, currently doing the-sims-1 playthrough myself.. its a bit new to me.. im-sure u might be a longer sim fan than i, please do a sims 1 play/review/retrospect/ . other youtubers did a terrible job on that gig. sheesh. anyway., have a blast. lotsa love.

[@cosmiccod6284]

I was literally thinking about this minutes before you uploaded. I’m very worried about the sims 5. The multiple player being optional is a little reassuring. The sims 5 being on mobile and computer? HUGE RED FLAG for me. That just seems like such a bad idea for me. Mobile games are so limiting. It makes me sorta of dread it. I’m not surprised the sims is going down even more micro transactions. And having to unlock stuff like hair? I feel like that goes against the fundamental freedom of a life sim. I LOVE the sims. I remember watching sim story videos and let’s plays when I was younger because my parents wouldn’t let me get the game. When I was finally allowed to have it I’d play for days and days. I want nothing but good things for the sims 5, and yet, all I feel is dread. Maybe it’s a bit too early to tell. I’m hoping projects like Paralives do end up getting their release (you just never know with indie games because games are so time consuming and expensive). Even then that’s years down the line. I might end up sticking with the sims 4, sailing the high seas with all the packs, destroying my computer with 100 mods until the end of time lol. But like I understand what you’re feeling because this was also a huge special interested of mine and it kills me to loose all faith in it.

[@AlexaFaie]

I was reading something which was suggesting that you only get to play one household per save file (rather than at the moment where you can create as many households as the save file can fit in all the worlds, plus extra to stay in your library) which to me makes everything even worse.

[@victorvale1015]

@@AlexaFaiethe in game currency thing scares me because it’s the same system they have in the sims free play and it only works because you have 1 save file. Buying in game currency is pointless if you can just make a new game. It frees up space too but would be worst possible option for the sims.

[@junniperjess1639]

I'm right there with you. I'm genuinely extremely concerned. I'm also autistic and totally understand the feeling of being unsure of whether I'm just distressed by the change or if there are legitimate issues. Sims was also one of my first special interests and I love this franchise so much. But I feel like it has already lost so much of what made it so special. I have an awful feeling that Sims 5 will continue the trend and may even be the SimCity 2013 of the Sims franchise.

[@lilacpenguin5329]

I'm autistic too, and I related big time in the beginning of the video, and the genuine worry for a special interest to continue being good.

[@Grizzlyyy578]

I’m autistic aswell!! and I am soo scared I love the sims sm😅

[@amylongworth2096]

Hey I am also autistic and I remember when The Sims 4 came out, I hated it at the time and I didn't play it for ages too as there was too much that was missing and because it was a big change, it almost felt like a step back to be honest. (I remember being so annoyed when you had to go through the loading screen when you were travelling anywhere!) I didn't have a diagnosis at the time either so it was frustrating because I couldn't understand why I hated the game so much when The Sims has always been a special interest. Now it makes sense 😊 I think I probably am going to feel the same way about The Sims 5 when that comes out too because that's just how my brain works!

[@denissoide]

I kinda feel bad for sims fans, u all getting the worst dlc's that cost like $60, and finally getting a new game for it to be way worse than the one before 😔

[@averyeml]

Here’s the thing- you can love a thing and find a lot of faults in it. If anything, it’s a sign that you do truly love something when you want to see it better. As long as it isn’t aimless negativity (which yours isn’t, you offer alternatives and suggest what WE would like to see), it’s a good thing to voice concerns. People who blindly Stan and adore things and think that it must mean you find every detail perfect as is aren’t loving that thing.

[@giversinner971]

There’s no point in loving a corporate product. I used to enjoy the Sims, but at some point, it became pretty clear that it wasn’t fun for me anymore. It’s obvious that these companies just take advantage of the positive feelings and loyalty people have for the game… no matter what. Sometimes it’s time to disengage. I stopped playing Sims a while ago, and I have no intention of buying or playing Sims 5. The writing is on the wall: they fully intend to take advantage of the player base because they think this player base will buy their products no matter what. Frankly, they’re not wrong. Real things deserve my love and affection: my family, my cats, etc. Corporate products do not. I still play older Sims games, but it’s been pretty clear the direction EA has been taking the Sims in for a while. It’s one thing if you genuinely enjoy the game, but if you’re not having fun and you’re being exploited, it’s time to disengage and find a new hobby.

[@strawberrolyy]

Sims 4 was supposed to be a multiplayer but back in 2013, sims city online’s server’s failed and EA was going under the roof. They basically scratched and stopped the entire project that they worked on for YEARS and had one year to finish sims 4. 💀

[@syjson6698]

Thank you Plumbella. Every time I give my concern people tell me I shouldn't worry and trust but I just can't and your video helps me think I am not the only one

[@Isimarie]

When the sims 4 first came out I kept playing the sims 3 mainly for MONTHS until I warmed up to the sims 4. It’s not just you

[@charliewest4590]

I’m so scared of the franchise being ruined by sims 5 (also have autism so yay us!)

[@vickyloach1931]

Same. Considering that Sims Online their multiplayer game flopped. And the crash and burn of the Simcity franchise.

[@SarahElizabethA]

I've been following this news online. The original job post was taken down right after fans found out about this. Though it doesn't exactly unring a bell. They could've still filled the position internally. The positive news is Life By You is coming out in September which can give EA some desperately needed competition.

[@leonv1472]

finally someone big in the community acknowledges it. i ditched ts4 ages ago and it's insane to me to see so many simmers say they think it's gonna be anything other than more of the same. like come on

[@Lewis-hl9qw]

I remember similar talk about ‘mobile’ and ‘streamlining’ and ‘ease of access’ back when Sims 4 was being talked about before it came out. These are just code for removal of in depth gameplay mechanics and the general transitioning to surface level gaming more heavily based on visuals and cosmetics. The sims gameplay was heavily dumbed down during the switch from 3 to 4 and I fear the same will happen again from 4 to 5. The open world and increased customisations to build/buy/createasim will be superficial improvements to hide the long list of content removed to make the game easier to make and more viable on mobile.

[@andrew-song]

Honestly, when will they learn that nobody wants mobile compatibility? It seems like such a hindrance, not to mention that the Sims Freeplay exists lol

[@mridulabk4354]

I'm hoping the multiplayer stuff is somewhat like Club Penguin, mostly a wholly individual game, but some parts or zone is multiplayer in the sense you can take inspo and interact to a small extent.. Or like mini games.. But the rest is just your own journey, your own style of playing

[@lunacouer]

I think it might end up being a bit like the Sims 4 Multiplayer Mod? If you wanna see how that works, Dr. Gluon has a bunch of videos where he uses it to play with other creators. It seems like the best way to do it, where you can invite people into your game, and they each control their own sim, but since it's your save, you can control what lot they're on. In other words, if you want, you could have your own save that no one enters, but then a different save set up to play with friends. I also believe with that mod, you can kick people out or they can just leave without impacting the game. Not sure, but that would have to be a fail-safe if someone's getting rowdy on you or, my worst fear, you find out you've got a 10 year-old in your game 😬

[@emilyb.8219]

Club Penguin was all about socializing wdym Unless all you did was grind for coins and decorate your igloo lol

[@Theeyesof]

I’ll probably wait multiple years after release to play sims 5, I’ve put a lot of time and money into 4 and it se ems like they need years after release to fully flesh out the games at this point

[@jordie9360]

If this was from any other developer I’d give them the benefit of the doubt but this is from EA so your fears are warranted

[@paigesofia7]

It really seems like they do not like people modding their game. My biggest worry though, is that instead of expansion/game/stuff packs are going to become micro transactions & that it’s going to behave a lot like the sims mobile games that are already out there, for example: actions cause energy; you’re going to need another form of currency that’s not originally available(diamonds or whatever) to buy certain things in game; having to wait real time for certain actions, not being able to speed through stuff. All the not so fun stuff of mobile games which is basically forcing you to pay money in order to advance. All, in all, I’m very concerned and not at all excited. I also love the Sims 4, but it still falls very, very short. & it already seems very money grab-ish. But, like you said, we have no idea so maybe I could be wrong? God, I really hope I’m wrong. ETA - I trust maxis & the sims team. I do not trust EA. At all. Also don’t mean to worry you, but also you’re not alone.

[@indedgames4359]

Ther aculy like it

[@XBrandon98X]

I hope they aren’t stupid enough to stop people from modding the sims 5, it would kill the game. Modding in the sims is incredibly popular.

[@tannerparks6030]

Microtransactions are the natural progression of what they've been doing for years. It started with big expansion packs, later they did the sims points stuff in 3 where they realized they pushed it too far, then they did game and stuff packs which are much smaller than expansions, now we have kit packs, so even smaller micro purchases is where it's been going for a while now

[@amandakushner8665]

Sims two and the three you got Way more stuff and stuff packs and expansion packs instead of the Sims for it feels like they’re just holding out On us so will pay extra money to get more stuff and if you’re paying like 50 bucks for an expansion pack you should get a lot more in the expansion pack

[@paigesofia7]

@@tannerparks6030 you’re not wrong, I guess if it was something like DLC/ stuff packs I would consider it, but if it’s ANYTHING like their mobile games I won’t touch it.

[@MadLadyHatter97]

Don’t worry! I’m getting serious red flags from sims 5 as well,I’ve been playing Sims since I was a young girl,it holds a special place in my heart,a game where I can just go and escape and just create things,I got chronic anxiety and seeing where my childhood game is headed greatly upsets me

[@TheStoneTargaryen]

I also can’t help to be afraid because in their last livestream there was someone working on the animations and gameplay who literally said ‘we’re trying to get away with as little as possible’ BIG RED FLAG

[@peterlorincz3590]

I was also wondering how they could release the livestream with that particular clip included. That sentence was just a huge hint like: "We stopped making any effort during the ts4 era, this time it will be no different". I miss the style and gameplay the sims 2 offered, which actually had a soul and meaning.

[@sidhackney8831]

They were explicitly referring to the UI elements. As in, as few HUD elements on the screen at a time as they can get away with.

[@lilacpenguin5329]

@@sidhackney8831 This makes total sense and this context matters a lot. The only thing that I would LOVE in a minimalist style is the UI and HUD elements. No more menus and options to click, better accessibility, better focus on gameplay!

[@yveltalsea]

@@sidhackney8831 If this is true, it's incredibly insane that people are saying this for the animations lmao. Having little UI is AMAZING while having 0 effort animations is awful. That's crazy that this can be mixed up lmao

[@sidhackney8831]

@@yveltalsea Yeah there are absolutely still concerns, like the image based build/buy in 4 was probably them trying to pare down UI and it can be extremely confusing and hard to find things if you don't already know where they are but they definitely weren't talking about effort.

[@emma-leeswift875]

I feel the same and have been doubting myself about it because of my autism but seeing other people have the same concerns help me feel like I'm not insane

[@davidaskew217]

I completely agree with all your points - I think the Kits packs have been a method for EA to test/see who will pay for content going forward. I expect the Kits packs will become the pay-for-content in the Sims 5.

[@reneayyy]

sims 5 being on the phone scares me because... micro-transactions.....

[@GayLemonade]

i watched trixie mattel's video getting ready for the house of avalon party the other day and she mentioned how she loves watching your videos and i got so unreasonably excited to have like those two types of videos i watch on youtube bridge together in my mind like a crossover episode

[@josieblue]

let’s be real, the only thing people are gonna sims 5 multiplayer for is long distance woohoo

[@mi1kguts]

that's what vrchat is for, is it not?

[@josieblue]

@@mi1kguts definitely💀 this will just be another option imo

[@sjjaewon]

YEAH

[@nerdychocobo]

I think that's also another thing that concerns me slightly about the idea of multiplayer,, I know that lots of games do it so maybe I'm just being silly but I worry bc sims is so focused on the social aspect I worry that it's going to get... messy very easily. Just the implication of real life relationships getting mixed up into game relationships makes me a bit worried people will get hurt

[@josieblue]

@@nerdychocobo i never really thought about that but that’s a good point, there are already games that have this sort of feature, like vr chat as someone mentioned, so i think people are prepared for this sort of thing, whether it’s healthy or not is another conversation i guess lol, but just to put ur mind at ease, people already interact in crazy ways via online lol

[@ames_virosa]

Honestly, I am so fed up with EA. They are just living up to their greedy reputation with their latest TS4 releases and I think they will just continue that trend with TS5. I have long lost my faith and hope in the series which honestly makes me more sad than anything.

[@silveringtree6212]

I just wanna say, that I am truly hyped for the multiplayer option! I love to do build challenges with my friends, but we've always had to just build our own builds separately while doing the same challenge. For a long time, I've wished to be able to do build challenges where we can all place items in the same build and truly build TOGETHER! It would be amazing!!

[@Makinithailssley]

With all the money I’ve put into the s4 I’m not even considering spending anything on s5. I just feel extremely burned by them atm (I’m also a console simmer) honestly haven’t looked at anything about the new horse stuff I haven’t bought anything from them since highschool. Honestly my interest for the sims is dying and it’s sad. . . Especially if they’re making everyone start over and not even have weather 🙃 I refuse to pay for snow / basic pets at this point. All they care about is money 🫣

[@itsSofieee]

I'm a console player too and honestly haven't played more than a few minutes in months, build is so broken since an update earlier this year, it's just not fun anymore.

[@Makinithailssley]

Exactly ^ saaame! and the lag is insufferable so building isn’t even fun anymore either!

[@ec2497]

Like you touched on in this video, I just don't want it to be super intrusive in the gameplay. Like constantly walking into locked items and locked gameplay while you're trying to chill out and play. That's the fastest way to suck out the enjoyment of a game for me, and I really don't think I'd be playing it if that was the case

[@zenbamboo7978]

Jessie constantly wondering if it's genuinely human emotion or if it's the Autism is me every time I think about going to College

[@ThePacketOfFuzz]

this is the most relatable comment i’ve ever read

[@AlexaFaie]

Its still a genuine human emotion even if it is because they're autistic. Like my entire brain & body is autistic and so all my emotions are autistic emotions. Doesn't make them any less human nor any less genuine.

[@BTPFTW]

It's both. Big change is hard for everyone. But autism makes even small emotions very big. So you combine the two and you get super extra big emotions. [Edit spelling]

[@honeyandclove]

extremely relatable

[@lilacpenguin5329]

​@@BTPFTW having it explained this way helped me a lot tbh lol, thanks. im autistic and im never sure if im justified when im worried about something but this makes sense.

[@rosieinwonderland8132]

I just want the sims 1 back. It was perfect. The music, the graphics were so nice, each pack was packed with gameplay, even the voice acting was soo cool ans funny! I'm not buying a boring kiddy game with microtransactions.

[@thequizzler6693]

I'm just gonna wait almost a decade like I did with TS4. I have dipped my toes into mods for the first time in nearly 2 decades of sim playing and I cry for past me who missed out on so much. Still love 3 the most though