The singularity of a black hole explanation by Sir Roger Penrose w Joe Rogan

The singularity of a black hole explanation by Sir Roger Penrose w Joe Rogan

[@jknowstheway1462]

Sir Roger Penrose. Greatest nickname ever for 'should've been president of everything, infinitely'.

[@felipebaranao3912]

he is the last super genius like.... Einstein...Dirac... that level... heard Penrose in this time... is a gift

[@jknowstheway1462]

@@felipebaranao3912 Keep the memory alive. Pass him on. Share something of his. Inspire someone with him.

[@aznstride4325]

Joe: “Jamie pull up a video of a bear fighting a black hole singularity”

[@LyndenAdaire-fi1yk]

Don't you get it ? There is an emergency, and the bear is on lunch break.

[@blacksheep4266]

“Something goes wrong.” That can’t be good.

[@novh4ck]

It's fine. Just Einstein's equations result in infinite numbers at singularity and that's just something that we assume should not exist. However there are other theories like the quantum one which have no issue giving believable results even at singularity.

[@mhc4124]

​@@novh4ckcan you elaborate on this? I've been trying to understand how to think of real singularities.

[@novh4ck]

@@mhc4124 I am sorry but I am not an expert on this. What I know is that equations of general relativity very accurately describe and predict behaviour of the universe except the center of black holes or absolute start of the big bang. At those moments these equations return stuff like infinite density and mass which doesn't really make sense and breaks laws of physics as we know them. Methods of quantum field theory supposedly can somehow mathematically describe these singularities to make more sense but I unfortunately did not research it enough to be able to explain.

[@LyndenAdaire-fi1yk]

warp and torque of intrusive energy interference (something gone wrong) upon " the usual " energy arrangement.

[@davidwaynemain]

Everything's going just fine. The "wrong" is our own inaccuracies. The fun part. Not knowing.

[@dondiegodelevega2092]

"Something goes wrong", in other words, we as humans cannot comprehend nor explain what happens.

[@eugenio1203]

Not yet at least

[@sen7826]

Not "we as humans", but "these particular equations"

[@kurtsnyder4752]

The universe tries dividing by zero.

[@gaijincoordinator2922]

Damn

[@justincase4812]

A black hole. Where something has gone wrong. That is a great way to describe something that may never be examined closer.

[@noe616]

The equations go stuck, but nature nevertheless continues. Blackholes are natural.

[@grassywasss6978]

No shit seriously? I always thought they were artificial…

[@indonesianmapper4867]

​@@grassywasss6978nah they were made by cia

[@phenixorbitall3917]

Penrose makes you feel that he is on an other level

[@boogieman6529]

then what is witten

[@felipebaranao3912]

he is

[@jeffreychandler8666]

A giant of the 20th century, and the present in Mathematics, and Astronomy/physics. A great thinker, who has defined our logical, complicated, busy, secret Universe!

[@Jay_in_Japan]

Your usage of commas is an affront to the English language, my good sir

[@stevemilk5523]

It’s said that infinity in mathematics simply translates to: “ our small ape like 3D minds can’t comprehend what is taking place within or between higher dimensions.”

[@Mageblood]

Nope, mathematicians are quite used to calculating in higher dimensions actually.

[@laxrlynch1206]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@MagebloodYep. In geometric topology for example it can be useful to expand to more dimensions because of more degrees of freedom it allows when trying to solve a math problem. I’m not 100% sure but I think the proof for one of the millennium prize problems was derived from looking at the problem from more than 3 dimensions.

[@MrBeen992]

That sounds like a made up quote. Infinity in mathematics is an everyday occurrence

[@wesley164]

Singularity cannot be unless it is right here right now, but you would never know.

[@Chewy427]

oh shit Joe got Penrose on!

[@NemesisVNV]

And that's when Joe changed topics to bears... something he knows what he's talking about

[@kingzerk6409]

Thanks I was wondering about this

[@tspiegel0806]

Everything is predestined, nothing goes wrong. It is all according to an undetermined plan that started with a bang. Just as if you set off a fragmentation grenade in a room full of glass and then watched it in slow motion.

[@BeatlesFan1975]

Source: trust me bro

[@johndoolan9732]

good but imagine while watching in slow motion you could rearrange the glass to make infinate possibilities now you looking QM

[@eliyarrows2456]

Such a good explanation of what a singularity is. It’s not that we know it exists, it’s just that our mathematical understanding of the universe states that something goes wrong at that point of density. So either our equations are wrong or something about the universe changes in that single point. My personal favorite theory on this is the multiverse theory but that’s because I’m biased lol not because it’s the most true. The theory is that the fabric of space time is bent down to the point that it doesnt curve down infinitely but rather curves until it reaches the “singularity” that punctures thru parallel space time and basically creates a wormhole if the black hole is large enough or spinning fast enough I kinda forget. But if I peaked your interest or you think I’m wrong, go listen to Michio Kaku talk about it because I’m humble enough to admit that a theoretical physicist that studied his field for decades maybe knows a bit more than a college kid 😂

[@Gounesh]

Chill people, it means we don’t understand the concept. Universe won’t collapse on itself after 13.8 billion years just because we can’t solve the function.

[@ivan-Croatian]

Yeah, when a theoretical physicists says "something goes wrong", you know that sht hit the fan real good 😒

[@grassywasss6978]

Uh, no not really. It just means by our current understanding of physics, we dont understand why certain things are happening. Meaning we need to shift our understanding of physics. Thats all. Nothing bad is happening, nothing is hitting the fan.

[@GeauxRight777]

Infinite density

[@jamesstufflebean3194]

Everyone has it wrong it's like a drain the water goes down spinning to a point same thing when sun dies the space was bent causing the light to go down to a point like water but with no gravity it goes back up the other side the same way to a point causing empty space surrounded by light staying in motion

[@jp9631]

I still dont get it

[@61lastchild]

Huh, words...what? Like the middle of the Oppenheimer dustcloud... Oh, right...the middle...Ive been there...

[@angrygary122]

404 Error not found Universe displaying the message

[@jaydeepvipradas8606]

Gravity isn't infinite, density can't be infinite but it can be full (I.e not penetrable by matter or light). Becoming physically infinite is rare case, not even black holes). Maths doesn't have proper symbol or equation for non penetrable. Infinity could be misleading here.

[@DivergentStyles]

Something happens that changes how the object reacts to physics on our level, like quantum machenics is on a level bellow ours, these objects go to a level above and are influenced by physics of an higher level, call it superior mechanics if you like which we have yet to unravel. Maybe possibly we could see it like that.

[@jackbradley4737]

Bro stop you obviously know nothing about the topic, making up terms thinking you are smart 😂

[@jasontoddsprecher]

I had never put together that the infinity symbol was not a loop it was not a figure eight. It was a point that everything is sucked into, and the other perspective of the infinity symbol would be a V.

[@aix42]

I like the explanation, makes sense. I think of it not as wrong but the limits imposed by existance. All flows from something rather than nothing. Nothing is the opposite of infinity.

[@landonhodge4422]

Nothing is the opposite of infinity 😮that's golden wtf like I can't describe how that blows my mind

[@cosyneproject]

The circumference of the object is smaller than the diameter.

[@jybrokenhearted]

So by saying infinite density that it contains more matter than the entire universe?¿. Well, i guess when you deal with dark fairy dust and dark unicorn horns, then things get really bizarre.

[@kennethklein1262]

The thing that has gone wrong is that our formulas and mathematics can no longer model reality. There’s nothing wrong with reality. We just don’t have solid mathematical formulas and theories to explain black hole phenomena. Yet.

[@bobjayp]

what happens in the the other direction. do the equations go wrong at some future time.

[@Mike-yf1ep]

We have no idea 😅

[@xxACIDVIRUSxx]

Something goes wrong according to us, but what if something actually goes right, we just simply can’t understand it🤷🏻‍♂️

[@scizor2212]

Discovery always makes theory and philosophy change . Focus on discovery more than philosophy and imagined theory.

[@kevkeisha]

What if math was the language we all INNATELY understood in common that was replaced with the myriad languages we have now? Remember, our brightest minds universally acknowledge that mathematical theorems are discovered, NOT invented. Or is it more accurate to say... Rediscovered?

[@solojoedzznuts171]

Space-time is all pie 💯 3.16 never ends Why everything circular in space... We talked about gravity like we know what it is or the equation for it. We don't 💯

[@taotzu1339]

A singularity is when the ex-wife takes all your money. That's when shits gonna hit the fan.

[@NwordOutward]

Our confusion is caused because we look for what we would consider order in a universe that gave us birth

[@pugrosecarriephonenut]

hey jamie, pull up a singularity where a video is fighting a bear😂🤣.

[@grantstewart457]

You lost Joe after “well”

[@scottycas]

Huh?

[@jamesgreenler8225]

Once gravity gets to a certain point it separates to an adjacent area of this dimension thats part of the spectrum of this dimension. A type of field is produced that makes what is inside the field invisible. From the inside the outside is visible but not the other way around. This separation creates a separate piece of space time and inertia can be created and felt inside the field but if you move the field and its contents the inertia from doing that is not felt inside the field. The field can slip around in the rest of space time without generating heat or even a sonic boom . The field can move differently thru some kinds or kind of space such as dark matter. Its not that its faster than light speed but that its different and the speed of light has nothing to do with it.

[@1SpudderR]

Catch 22+ Catch 22!? = 1 . Interpreted as “Universe Unlimited”. And that’s progress folks. Something beyond Science Catch 22.

[@buzzard720]

Mabozza Richie posted this... Humans have a very incomplete idea of physics and because of that are way off track in their understanding of the universe , from the small to the great.

[@BeatlesFan1975]

Source: trust me bro

[@buzzard720]

@@BeatlesFan1975 . You have much to learn kid and so little time.

[@Jesusextraction]

I have 4 camera lenses fn st up n moving everything

[@Jesusextraction]

4 tvs in tri

[@salnewton7032]

So in other word you don't know

[@stevelaw3886]

We know what the equation tells us, and we know that whatever it is is crushing matter beyond that of a neutron star. We can't get to one to examine it, but we can see the result - a black hole.

[@BooSpencer]

We think of the vastness of space but what about infinite smallness. Is there really 14 inches of space between my eyes and my screen or is there infinite space. Not sure who said it but it’s always stuck with me “infinite smallness”

[@jcb4826]

Plank length is what you're looking for. Definitely not infinite but neither is anything else except the Lord.

[@davidwaynemain]

If anything is wrong it will be our mathematical equations. And I wouldn't say wrong, only incomplete. Hang in there humanity.

[@adhamr23]

I thought Einestine equations don’t work it huge masses

[@danmiller4725]

Rogan asks for a definition of a singularity and Penrose right away mentions an Oppenheimer Snyder dust cloud. Now Rogan can look that up and get the picture. So it's dust in a cloud that collapses to the "point"? What is "dust" made of? How about "ashes" left from the burnt out star?

[@benwohlgemuth4782]

I just want to know how they know because nobody ever went there or close enough to prove it

[@grassywasss6978]

Im just being real honest here, this is why you arent a scientist. We dont need to be somewhere just to know it. Math is all you need. Black Holes were complete theories based on math before we proved their existence with a special type of astro-photography. So no, you dont need to be there to prove it. We can prove it in a classroom with our current understanding of physics.

[@Blahblahmonster1234]

Naw. It’s just a Fuzzball

[@josephblodgett57]

I'm really dumb when it comes to those people cuz I still don't know what to he was talking about. All I can comprehend at my level of intelligence is that, "something went wrong" lol.

[@TunLeng-bg2dr]

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[@karrena43]

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will remain...Jesus

[@jcb4826]

Yep. Anytime I hear "infinity" or "singularity" I know it's just slang for we don't know.

[@HugeConverse]

What if a black holes density and mass is the only object capable of pulling or even simply moving the human soul. Just saying in the empty void that is space there’s hardly any functioning systems that could bend space and time to that extent.

[@danmiller4725]

Infinitely small means literally endlessly small which is nonsense. And a mathematical point is a position relative to some coordinate system. He doesnt really mean infinite nor at a point. Not very precise language for a scientist. No infinity is not opposite of nothing.

[@AussieNaturalist]

It seems you didn’t listen to the entire clip, or you chose to ignore and or didn’t understand what he said at the end… 🤔

[@danmiller4725]

@@AussieNaturalist The big shots always send a hitman to put down any criticism. You are the latest but won't be the last. I don't believe any of your b s.

[@AussieNaturalist]

@@danmiller4725 Ahh, so you’re delusional, good luck with that 😵‍💫🤣

[@danmiller4725]

@@AussieNaturalist I'm 78 so I see no problem . What's your issue if you even have the guts to state it clearly so other readers see your point.

[@AussieNaturalist]

@@danmiller4725 Your original comment indicates that you ignored Penroses last point, or you dint understand it, which is what I've already said. Then you accused me of being a "hitman" for the "big shots", and then your last comment clearly indicates that you have trouble comprehending peoples comments, so you're either suffering some sort of dementia, or you're a delusional, paranoid lunatic or you're a moron, which one is it?

[@Mc007Queen]

No one knows , No 1

[@LeastFav]

Renewal

[@LeastFav]

Neither here nor there

[@mum6680]

Say what ?

[@charlespalacios1148]

Our life, the only Adventure where you arrive naked, unprepared and without knowledge. Sounds to me like going to prison

[@rodrigovivas-castaneda2371]

Yeah, that’s one way to put it. Is not that I disagree, I prefer to see life as the only adventure where we arrive pure, fully prepared having decided the way our lives will go before birth and with a huge amount of past life knowledge and a great desire to collect as much experience and knowledge as possible on our way back to the infinite point of source energy that we escaped from having learned that we are everything and everything is us…… Still sounds like prison.! 😅

[@charlespalacios1148]

@@rodrigovivas-castaneda2371 I totally agree I just went with option 2 which was easier to write but you are 100% right

[@Biohazz]

This sounds like we need to learn much more than our current understanding of the universe, not to come to the conclusion that this happens and thats it… einstein said we are not ready, so keep debating it and keep on evolving the technology. It seems like every scientist that’s now alive wants to come to some conclusion so he can be remembered, which ia sad… I don’t believe Einstein had this mentality, to make himself famous. He wanted to discover, not be remembered, that’s why no one will ever be as good as he was.

[@timtemple5218]

Christian deliverance trumps witchcraft. On the sly, pray - I break the evil spirits over the demons and bless them for righteousness, in Jesus's holy name, Amen.

[@Lord_Sheshomeru]

Anyone else get the urge to say "And Beyond!"

[@johndelong5574]

Physical laws are meant to be broken.

[@stevetheiven3889]

I wonder if time itself, is the only thing fighting back against a singularities total collapse. Maybe that’s where the Big Bang came from. Maybe there’s big bangs happening all the time and we can’t see them as they’re tremendously far away 🤔

[@6FigureTrigger]

Whoa

[@stevetheiven3889]

@@6FigureTrigger Yup! We’re just a speck in a speck of nothingness. Woah is right! Be good out there y’all, as there’s a God one way or another

[@johnflores528]

The singularity is the All mighty Infinite. Time before time space before space. So simple to define that the singularity is the all mighty. Dark matter is the spiritual realm. Things science may never understand.

[@bmclaughlin01]

The singularity isn’t real, it’s a limitation of the mathematics, where we end up dividing by zero in the equations. It’s a fundamental limitation of the Cartesian coordinate system we are taught as children.

[@tspiegel0806]

The thing I worry about is all of the equations put forth by physicists regarding the universe. These equations haven’t factored in human interruption. What if Simple human interruption causes a chain of events that leads to a meteor changing course and heading straight for earth and no scientist could predict it because it happened as a result of human interruption which cannot be factored.

[@MarilynStangl]

Egg Heads, Humpty Dumpty would be proud! A theory is just a semi-educated guess!

[@randyeagle1693]

I believe if we look into the heavens as if a living thing,instead of a deep vastness that may or may not,we could hope to move forward❤❤❤

[@frank-696]

Let's simplify... Albert was talking shit.

[@JosephCowen-ru7up]

Wow and he's a scientist ! The maths are well known and we have pictures of real singularities now ! It is simple , it is a place of zero dimensions and infinite mass , ( it is nothing with everything squeezed into it, the big bang the moment before expansion , the big bang is everything from nothing at the start of a multiverse and the big crunch is everything returning to nothing at the end of a multiverse.)

[@stevelaw3886]

Wow, I feel honoured to be in the presence of someone so distinguished, so qualified, that he feels compelled to dismiss the words of one of the world's most distinguished physicists. Tell me - where can I find your research papers?

[@JosephCowen-ru7up]

@@stevelaw3886 just highschool facts , in case you weren't there or them , lol

[@stevelaw3886]

@@JosephCowen-ru7up no, not even facts. Just arrogantly delivered postulation.

[@JosephCowen-ru7up]

@@stevelaw3886 wake up to your self , read a book , are you ok, do you need some assistance , it's ok we all feel upset at times when the truth comes out, don't be so small minded it insults us as humans, this stuff is child's play, common knowledge, it is truly sad if you think this way , but that's your choice ,

[@stevelaw3886]

@@JosephCowen-ru7up I've been studying astrophysics for over 40 years. You evidently haven't. Just a smug ignoramus with a bad attitude.

[@jknowstheway1462]

For every leftist who hates rogan... don't worry, we were all young once.

[@stevelaw3886]

Indeed - some of us *do* become right-wing tw*ts as we age.

[@Wompwompxxxxxx]

Why did you hate Rogan when you where young? Pre Spotify was peak Rogan imo.

[@jknowstheway1462]

@@Wompwompxxxxxx Young is a metaphor for ignorance

[@SFELNMOD]

Density can't be infinite. Density is nothing more than mass per volume. All physical objects have a finite mass and a finite volume, and therefore, a finite density. There is no singularity anywhere in the universe and there never will be.

[@fatimadias1932]

I love astronomy. Beautiful and terrifying at same time. That is why the unknown is so appealing!! It triggers our curiosity, and look how far we have become and how much further we can get!! Only an absolute power could create something so chaotic and delicate. Only God. 🙏🏼❤