The Sinister Case of Dr Neulander

In New York, Dr Robert Neulander lived with his wife. His wife, Leslie, who had a horrible accident in the shower, slipping and falling. Did she fall though? An investigation, and the actions of Dr Neulander after, would certainly deem it suspicious. However his family stood firmly by his side, throughout his two trials.
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[@mattison7580]

Imagine hearing your child scream like that, knowing it was your fault, and not feeling guilty at all. Sickening.

[@lesliebouchard6496]

100%

[@aremnant3937]

Psychopath Doctor for sure that kept it hidden for a very long time. A highly functioning devil still wrapping his entire family around his finger.

[@molsondutch93]

Makes me sick to my stomach for sure

[@hooper4581]

@@pepironi992 pretty Fd up theory pal. Sounds like you have an axe to grind.

[@RealmsOfThePossible]

They live among us.

[@RenayBrooke]

The fact that the daughter was begging her DOCTOR father not to move her is so heartbreaking

[@nonnobissolum]

Sounds like someone doesn't know that all "doctors" aren't the same, particularly after decades in specialty practice. Just because you're a "mechanic" doesn't mean that you're a cruise ship mechanic or an aircraft power plant mechanic or a mining equipment mechanic. The public just doesn't ever seem to grasp how the medical field works.

[@RenayBrooke]

@@nonnobissolum stfu anyone with basic first aid knowledge (ALL DOCTORS) should know not to move someone with a head injury. You have to be safety certified to work in any healthcare field. You are so weird for this comment. Are you sympathizing with a killer?

[@RenayBrooke]

@@nonnobissolum Women hemorrhage and DIE during child birth and you don’t think you have to be first aid certified to do that??? LMAO next time keep you lil comment to yourself.

[@bananawammabama]

@@nonnobissolum it's true that not all are the same but it would be hard to accept your father is corrupt like that... It is a very BASIC concept that you don't move someone with a neck or head injury. I know that from first aid.

[@nonnobissolum]

​@@bananawammabama Hmmm. Right over your heads. And if only you knew the credentials of who you're talking to🤣 .

[@Me-do5tm]

Being able to hear your daughter scream "my mommy!" In that voice and not immediately turn yourself in and ask for the death penalty is unbelievable to me. That hurt me so much to hear and I've never met her.

[@joeking433]

Sounded fake to me. That "my mommy" scream was weird.

[@kevinc809]

Too bad that's not evidence, that stuff you used to need to convict someone.

[@AdminAbuse]

@@kevinc809 you totally missed the point

[@KathrinIG]

@@joeking433 Neither you or I were there but my impression is the opposite. I find it extremely real. Maybe it appears "weird" to you because it is not fake and all the screaming one usually hears is fake. Real terror isn't pretty or adheres to any kind of rulebook.

[@pantyzoup]

unless the kids knew afterall theyve seen all the facts and choose to stand by him.

[@doclewis8927]

To hear an adult melt away into a small child screaming for her mommy is heartbreaking. Sadly, I've been there. Thank goodness my mother only fell but it still reduced me to screaming like that because of her age and how easily she bruises. Such as sad situation for this young woman.

[@whitneyangelie3682]

Every adult turns into a child I think, when they face losing a parent they love so dearly. When my dad died I curled up in his arms for hours until the coroner arrived and finally forced me out of his arms. I was his little girl in that moment, even though I’m an adult. Glad your mom is ok- take good care of her! 💜💜💜

[@rosenrot234]

To our parents. We never really stop being their child.

[@karascene13]

I understand what you all mean in this chat, it's bone chilling. I remember when I got the call from the coroner - I just fell to the floor. A piece of me died that day. My father wasn't a good man at all sometimes, and other times very loving. My family & I decided that we would no longer speak to my dad - until he admitted to molesting us. Even if he just admitted to smaller incidents, we could probably talk to him at least. But no. No apologies about any of the pain and destruction he left in his wake. He died alone, in a shitty apartment - with roaches everywhere. The saddest part is- he laid there dead for almost 3 months. The apartment managers were meth heads. And Having to go back into that apt... Lets just say, the smell is something you'll remember forever. They didn't do a good job of cleaning up where he had been laying for 3mo either. I lost track of my point.... 😅 Sorry about that! I believe I was trying to say, losing our parents - (hopefully at a ripe old age & they're healthy) is natural. It's not supposed to be the other way around - where kids are dying every day due to gun violence especially. That is not natural. Thx for reading if you made it this far! LoL! 😅 Have a pleasant day/night & same for tomorrow- because... I love ya' 😎💖🫶🏼

[@smorgensterin4990]

It's so horrifying. She was freaking out but she was also right--don't move injured people, call 911 right away, etc.

[@tigerlily1118]

My god. That 911 call is absolutely heart wrenching! I can't even imagine. It's easy to get wrapped up in true crime, but I try to never forget the real suffering and nightmares the families are going through when I ask myself why I even like true crime. 😢

[@clipsedrag13]

it's so bad for your emotional health

[@chrisgomez860]

Very well put.

[@Newjerseyblows]

Same... That's why I don't consider myself a true crime "fan"

[@JDiz992]

My cats name is Tiger Lily 😄

[@laurahoward5426]

Not have to question the reality of that one....so sad😢

[@DubsTV93]

That scream: *"MY MOMMY!"* Totally heartbreaking.

[@this.is.pointless]

Agreed!!

[@LeeDee5]

I feel like her entire childhood flashed before her eyes.

[@AnaAcuraErica]

Yeah that’s was tough to hear 😬🤭

[@mircat28]

Yes tough hearing but no worse than a lot of others we've heard on here.

[@DubsTV93]

@@mircat28 It was sad, but yeah there are worse. At least she was grown, (i suppose?). Hannah Wesche's case right now and Gannon Stauch's are some of the top saddest I've heard so far. Anything with small children, my heart can't bear. There's just so many.

[@nicolekhalil20]

That 911 call made me literally cry. When her daughter screamed, “my mommy” 😭💔

[@annettetalavera3739]

I did too. So sad for children to witness their mom suffering like that and they can't help her. I see this man is a demond.

[@rebpos6519]

same

[@strange144]

Especially since we're not talking about a child, or even a teen here but a grown woman. That came straight from the soul :(

[@TailsThewolfcat]

yeah that's what really hit me hardest. my mom is the most important person in my life, i couldn't imagine the horror and pain this woman had to go through

[@doclewis8927]

Same.

[@shellyhill6804]

My mother died, alone, of a heart attack at 47. I found her when I got home from work. “Mommy!” was the first thing out of my mouth. This breaks my heart.

[@amberarchbold3666]

❤️❤️

[@nimkal]

I'm sorry you had to experience something this difficult. I hope other things were able to fill into your life and you found a way to come out stronger.

[@shellyhill6804]

@@nimkal That’s very kind. Thank you.

[@roxannepearls901]

❤️‍🩹💔❤️‍🩹

[@FearLess_SunKissedCaramel]

@@shellyhill6804 my condolences to you 💐

[@ichabod-thegloryhasdeparte2356]

It's a common thing for family members to be in denial, even when the evidence is overwhelming

[@johrathbun]

The cool thing about nuclear families is how easily they can be a cult!

[@stephenhill3286]

It makes sense. It must be hard to comprehend that your dad killed your mom.

[@SHEEPLESUCK]

Being he is the only parent left, I believe is kids reason for overcompensating their dad also.

[@Ricky-ln6rt]

Cognitive dissidence

[@fritzvoncranach6268]

Hell, Chris Watts‘ parents still believe he‘s innocent, even though he confessed and the evidence is... well, „overwhelming“ would be an understatement.

[@OhShiverMeTimbers]

No one in their right mind, doctor or not, would carry her 60+ feet to perform CPR. He needed to take her to the bedroom to explain all the blood there. The most sickening thing is that he would set up this whole ordeal only to bring his daughter in on it. Her voice on that call... what an unbelievably traumatic event. She'll be scarred forever, and it didn't have to be that way.

[@desdesdestinidestati7188]

I'm so fucking angry! You NEVER put a patient on a BED

[@Rhi915]

First responder here - actually, moving the body to perform CPR is standard practice, head injury or not. At that point, the patient is already dead so moving them to a better place in order to perform effective chest compressions in the patient's only chance of survival. It's also sometimes necessary to stop catastrophic bleeds whereby one might apply direct pressure or a tourniquet. That being said, I agree with DesDes | DestiniDestati 's comment below "You never put a patient on a bed" - we would always move the patient to stable ground where chest compressions can be performed effectively - atop a bed the compressions are not going to be targeting the heart, it would more or less just be pushing the patient's chest area into the springy surface rendering it pointless.

[@desdesdestinidestati7188]

@@Rhi915 Goooooood I know! I work in a facility where we have typical beds but we also have a backboard if we/I can't get the patient to the floor or somewhere more stable. He was a DOCTOR, and worked in a hospital and probably had his ACLS too. He KNEW better, and honestly imo that alone was enough to convict him. He wasn't doing CPR immediately, he jostled and moved her to a place where CPR SHOULDN'T be done. The bathroom floor was perfect! Knee comfort is for skills checkoffs only. Life and death is worth some creaky bones and muscle soreness.

[@misseselise3864]

and like her daughter said, robert shouldn’t have moved her at all

[@tankgirl3828]

Yep. Agree. Evil man.

[@NASkeywest]

“Dad don’t mover her, her neck might be broken.” *Moves her.* “Dad stop moving her.” *Continues to move her.* Yea, I hope this guy rots in prison.

[@goldkhw]

Yes, and I hope they move him and move him and move him every day from place to place. Just for moving her. See how HE likes being dragged around all the time. Give him a taste of his own medicine. (doctor...taste...medicine...get it?)

[@raycharles2284]

He nodoubt a piece of shit all to maintain his lifestyle

[@beth-bi9yv]

Right? That phone call was horrific. I feel so bad for the daughter. The trauma from that......

[@whitelotus1960]

Gut wretching

[@Arran05]

He clearly called his daughter into the room so that she could be his witness to him dragging her to the bedroom to explain why all the blood was everywhere.

[@TPH250290]

Yep, but then the daughter telling the 911 operator that there was blood "everywhere" kinda scuppered that plan.

[@racheldoesacrylic4089]

@@TPH250290 people can say there's blood everywhere meaning a lot of blood when in shock i suppose?

[@MirandaSinistra]

I think in her heart, his daughter knows he murdered her mother. She just doesn't want to believe it.

[@razztazz1982]

I think all of them are in deep denial. The multiple head injuries & blood evidence are too suspect to ignore, in my opinion.

[@despicabledavidshort3806]

I assume she thought she had lost her mother, she didn't want to lose her father as well...even tho he killed her mother 😥

[@nadapenny8592]

And we cannot, and do not, hold that against her, to even the slightest degree, ever. You believe what you have to in order to survive. That's why we all think so differently.

[@nunpho]

@@nadapenny8592 exactly, I hate when people try to argue against that. I've seen people saying nasty stuff before in other cases. In reality it's what the human brain does to protect itself from more trauma.

[@megatherion2695]

Orchestrated flatulence, I don't have any other people's mouths to do it in, but it's not a big deal to them, because they have a lot of carbs to eat, and a lot of rest and the P-Bass version of the duck's butt can handle that just fine, but it's this one that worries the dog looks like you have something else to do with the shrink yesterday and then we can go to the bathroom and take a massive shit

[@NickyQuesne13]

I've seen everyone of these videos. And hearing Jenna, the daughter, scream "My mommy!!", was one of the most heartbreaking things I've heard on this channel...

[@lucid6891]

Heartwrenching. That one's gonna stick with me...

[@clarissa8477]

That was really hard to listen to

[@Liberty_Bull]

I normally listen to these videos in the background while I work on the computer but as soon as I heard that my heart stopped. Heart breaking. Chilling.

[@EyesonEnforcement911]

That's was definitely a tough one to hear.

[@S3NTIENT2077]

gave me chills

[@cleggsycleggsy6829]

The thing that disgusts me the most is he used his daughter to witness her mother's horrific condition after death. There is nothing worse in this world than to knowingly traumatise 1 of your children. He's lying his ass off. I hope one day he tells them the truth. He's exactly where he should be!!!

[@HughWoo]

Innocent until proven guilty is what they say… he seems to have made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.

[@breakfastsurreal5650]

She'll never forget that awful memory. My kids' mom and I split and I wouldn't even be able to say something negative about her in front of my girls let alone give them an image like that which would surely haunt them for the rest of their lives. Nothing good can come from that. If someone is going to leave you, take a deep breath and realize how much horrible damage you would cause if you were to react with violence. It literally hurts everyone involved in unimaginable ways.

[@RacieRain]

Frightening!

[@k0rppi259]

It's completely possible she was in on it. She did blatantly lie about the shirt in court to defend her father and the initial 911 call was hilariously theatrical. I know people react differently in stressful situations but that call was like from some b-class horror movie. It's also not unheard of for kids to take sides when their parents are divorcing and there are at least a few cases where a child and a parent killed another parent who was trying to get a divorce. I personally know two women who haven't spoken to their mothers since their parents divorced, because they hate their mothers for "breaking the family", even though said women are well in their 30s and have families of their own now.

[@trybunt]

@@breakfastsurreal5650 yeah, the amount of animosity some people feel towards their exes blows my mind. Even my worst relationship, one of the types where we brought out the worst of each other, I don't feel any hate towards her. People grow apart , people change, or their feelings change, there's no need for hate, it's so useless.

[@galacticgardevoir9496]

"Do you think we'd be standing here supporting him after 10 years if we thought he did it?" Obviously not, but also no child wants to believe that their living parent is evil enough to have been the reason their non-living parent died. In almost all cases, people will stand by their loved ones through it all because they can't bring themselves to believe that their friend, parent, sibling, partner is capable of something like that.

[@blacksapphirerain]

Right, because they honestly don’t believe it and for people strong emotions override logic. It’s just awful for them either way. What a shitty situation for the poor kids.

[@isaach1402]

His children were raised by him. It's likely they were victims of their father too. Traumatization can make it impossible to see the obvious, especially when it's connected to adverse experiences in childhood. If they acknowledge their father did something so horrifying to their own mother, that opens the possibility that their own experiences in general were of a toxic home. I know that I couldn't acknowledge abuse committed by my parents, until they were gone, because I gaslit so intensely. I doubted by experiences of abuse because I trusted them more. You can't help but love your parents. It's like recovering from a cult, escaping people like that.

[@Israel.did911]

I get it.. they’re terrified of losing both of them.

[@stubbs-letterpress]

One day, that poor daughter will realize that the reason her father, WHO KNEW not to move an individual with a head injury, is guilty. She may already know this. She knew the room had blood in it BEFORE the good doctor moved her against all logic. Hence her BEGGING him not to move her. They were divorcing, he already lost his insurance contract and patients, now his soon to be ex would get half of what was left. He did it. Those poor kids.

[@kiobio7311]

I believe we should change that tbh Way less murder i assume lmao Its like the court is giving the murder the motive to do the murder by pressuring them into financial ruin just because the court mostly agrees with the wife

[@chappy24]

Deep down that family knows just don't want to believe it

[@Rhi915]

First responder here - actually, moving the body to perform CPR is standard practice, head injury or not. At that point, the patient is already dead so moving them a short distance to a better place in order to perform effective chest compressions in the patient's only chance of survival. It's also sometimes necessary to stop catastrophic bleeds whereby one might apply direct pressure or a tourniquet.

[@metrowarp]

@@Rhi915 but don't bring the person to the other side of the house 🙄

[@Rhi915]

@@metrowarp that goes without saying!

[@jeannievail]

Every couple of years, when he renewed his ACLS certification, he was reminded to start CPR immediately, on a firm surface, not delay CPR and drag the unconscious person onto a soft carpet.

[@MintBerryCrunch]

He probably did it but there is tons of proof of doctors and nurses screwing up when it’s a loved one that is why hey are not allowed to be part of their care.

[@stephanietribuna8591]

You would think a doctor would know that is basic knowledge.

[@sarahalbers5555]

True. That's one of the first steps in CPR. As a physician, he would know that. I hope he enjoys his time in hell. Also, you never move anyone who has possible spinal cord injury. You don't have to go to medical school to know that.

[@stratafm]

I thought the same thing right away, why move her to a soft bed to do CPR, you need a firm surface. Suspect from the get-go.

[@MAC0071234]

Do they also teach you to not be an idiot? If so, you people seem to have missed that part. You don't do CPR in a small bathroom where someone was taking a hot bath, with hot air filling the small room. It's like saying, hey let's do the CPR "immediately" besides a burning car with black smoke all around, cos that's what's written in the "CPR manual". Of course, he could have chosen an immediate outside room, but then again you can't fault someone who might be in shock to make the best decision. It's entirely possible to imagine someone thinking that if they are gonna shift the person, then as well go to the best room nearby as it would only take 2 more seconds. Your point of firm vs soft surface is correct though. Not saying he did or didn't do it. But people (some with medical background apparently) saying he should have administered CPR in the bathroom is just ridiculous.

[@yepthatsme8184]

His daughters 911 call speaks volumes. She even said that her dad was in the bathroom w/her mother. Blood EVERYWHERE in the bedroom! Just like the prosecution said, he killed her in the bedroom & dragged her to the shower to make it look like a slip & fall. But had to drag her back into the bedroom to explain why there’s blood all over carpet & walls in the bedroom. He’s exactly where he should be, locked away until he dies. 🤕

[@SageTheRage]

Yep that's me Perfect summation! 👍🎯 💯 🏆

[@barb9696]

He appealed and was freed pending another trial and is still a free man at 70 years old because they keep pushing back his trial for one reason or another.

[@bigalssecondchin5744]

I'm sure he did it, but they convicted him on an absolute scant amount of evidence.

[@craigh5236]

@@barb9696 The trial just happened. He was just convicted. His sentencing is on april 11. Wtf are you talking about.

[@n4n1damn]

He guilty as hell but I think the "blood everywhere" line might be a stretch. She said she's not in the bathroom and that her dad is there. Then she went to the bathroom and said "there's blood everywhere" which to me sounds like she just saw the scene in the bathroom for the first time. I don't think she meant the bedroom.

[@Erinski]

That 911 call is haunting. I listened again, and I realized when she first called, she had not seen her mother yet. She was calling because her dad told her to, she gave the address, told briefly what happened, and then saw what was happening. Poor thing. When she screamed "My mommy!" I felt that.

[@kevinc809]

Too bad that's not evidence, that stuff you used to need to convict someone.

[@pugachevskobra5636]

What's your point exactly? They simply recalled an observation they had while listening to the 911 call again.

[@Dino22440]

@@kevinc809you’re creepy

[@PrimateProductions]

Oh cmon...you can't tell me that in a house like that he didn't have enough room in that bathroom to do surgery much less CPR!

[@anovemberstar]

It's one thing to kill the mother of your children, but arranging it so the children (no matter their age) are exposed to their mother's dead or dying body, is several notches above the depraved actions of a narcissistic psychopath 🤬

[@richardeddy993]

He belongs in prison

[@LetMeTellYouSomething144]

And they are still backing him up, believing in his innocence. That in itself is sad, when will they start to move on & try to heal if they are still in denial.

[@Jezebel066]

Yes. No soul in that man

[@Jezebel066]

@@LetMeTellYouSomething144 as someone who married a psychopath, it is very hard to see reality. Believing the person they pretend to be could do something so horrible is beyond you... so many always stand behind them. Even when they confess. Finally coming out of the cognitive dissonance causes extreme ptsd & I personally won’t ever come out of it I don’t think. I pray he doesn’t hurt them any more

[@wishbone-p4550]

not only should a doctor know that you shouldn't move someone with a severe head injury, but he also had to know that a bed is the WORST place to give CPR due to the need for strong chest compressions that the softness of a mattress would interfere with. it pretty much guarantees the death of the victim, regardless of the severity of the initial situation

[@mandapants74]

60 FEET AWAY. 60!!!

[@deniserossiter1059]

Right. I even know that. And I don’t know much.

[@adam_allday9470]

Maybe it was a sleep number bed and he cranked up the firmness?🤷🏼‍♂️

[@mandapants74]

@@adam_allday9470 He's a doctor. The best possible place to do CPR is on the floor. You're just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

[@addie_is_me]

@@deniserossiter1059 The daughter knew that much and she was not a doctor. It is pretty basic.

[@revolution724]

"Do you think we'd still stand by him after 10 years if he did it?" Yes. I most definitely do. People do that all the time.

[@jmjm7012]

Brainwashed kids r a reality.

[@dorpth]

Damn. You can really hear the difference in that daughter's 911 call between a genuine reaction, and all those bad acting instances where the murderer called 911 and tried to fake "finding" the body.

[@fredrainey3038]

you mean like pam hupp?

[@unitedfools3493]

No you can't. What you are doing is listening to it knowing what happened. When you listen to it without knowing you won't point out those differences.

[@megatherion2695]

@@unitedfools3493 Totally. JCS, Dr. Grande and this channel makes idiots into supersleuths who can diagnose you off of a single comment. And thank God, they're all about solving cases that are already solved. Monday morning quarterbacks.

[@ziwawe]

​@@megatherion2695 Totally. Meanwhile you diagnose people as idiots off of a single comment, which is much much smarter. I didn't know a person's entire character could be extrapolated from a youtube comment, aren't you the supersleuth yourself.

[@azby7933]

That's why the father asked his daughter to call 911 and he didn't do it himself. He knew if he made the call, it would be used against him.

[@SpiritedDefect]

The poor daughter. Screaming at her dad over and over to stop moving her, that her neck might be broken. And he's the doctor. That was the first clue that he had something to do with it

[@SheeshMageesh69]

Always a good start to the weekend when it involves watching Mike’s new videos!

[@ThatChapter]

Thank you! Have a great weekend!

[@annacostello5181]

@@ThatChapter u 2💜💕💖

[@lolaspratt5860]

Absolutely 🙌

[@katrinahetherington3425]

Yes!

[@myradroddy4003]

Absolutely agree! 💯 @That Chapter have a great weekend yourself!

[@stephaniepeterson7268]

Friends or family members saying "they could never have done it" really holds no merit. Every human being is capable of murder, given the right circumstances. You can never fully know anyone's private thoughts and experiences.

[@saintlynnie4037]

Hearing a grown woman scream like that for her mommy on that 911 call... Heart breaking... Jesus... And the father, not even showing any signs of guilt or remorse while his daughter is screaming and crying over her mom... That he murdered... Absolutely evil.

[@dorothyc6390]

It's amazing how many family members of murderers refuse to believe the facts and just decide to stand by them. "It's just not in his character". "we know him better than anyone". "he could never commit a crime like this". "he loved our mother". Same old same old. Thank God for Science, Forensics, and Facts. Rest in Peace Sweet Soul. This was an unforgivable act of violence. Just a note for next time *you know you can always divorce instead of murdering your spouse or mate* this way everyone lives happily ever after Dr. Dikhead.

[@kiobio7311]

Thanking "GOD" for facts is the funniest shit i have ever seen lmao Thanks for making me laugh

[@Moira.D.B]

@@kiobio7311 it’s an expression. Calm down

[@kiobio7311]

@@Moira.D.B calm down? I am completely calm and my comment was literaly just having a laugh and thanking the guy for it What do you mean?

[@MomentsInTrading]

I can think of a few ‘family stands by the perpetrator’ cases that stand out even. Years ago, there was a CHP officer in San Diego that killed a girl. There was overwhelming evidence. After he was convicted, his wife stood up in the courtroom and started screaming at the victim’s parents that her husband was innocent.

[@miaknig3130]

@@MomentsInTrading reminds of a Canadian doctor who raped an ER patient, after sedating her. His wife had defended him fiercely, especially when the DNA wasn't a match (bc it turned out that the Dr surgically inserted a soft tube of someone else's blood into his forearm for a blood sample). The wife had a young daughter from a previous marriage, and the rape victim told her that doc could end up making the daughter a victim. Sure enough, the daughter finally found the courage to tell her mom that the doctor had been injecting her w drugs and raping her for quite some time. That caused the rape case to be reevaluated, and the DNA matched when they took hair, saliva, and blood samples. He was imprisoned, and the wife divorced him.

[@thereseduran3177]

Not only do you never move anyone with a head injury, you certainly don't move someone on a tile floor to a bed to do CPR.

[@Heavencollects]

Right it’s obviously suspicious behavior considering the situation and that he was a doctor it’s sketchy

[@Lissa11638]

EXACTLY! I'm just like the others...as soon as I heard he moved her, I knew he did it!!!

[@RealmsOfThePossible]

Obviously a sustained blunt force attack happened in the bedroom, feel for the kids who have to struggle with the fact their dad murdered their mom..some still seem in denial.

[@yourerightiamright.3709]

Therese Duran, You're obviously not a murderer... Because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO when trying to cover one up-

[@LouiseAnn]

Yes, you move them if it is a life or death situation. Keeping the patient alive takes priority. But not 60 feet to a soft surface.He could just have pulled her out to the bathroom floor. It seems to me it was room enough to do CPR there.

[@twstf8905]

He _did_ say the door was locked! Just before saying it was closed, but that he didn't know whether it was locked or not, then said he opened the door, clearly showing it wasn't locked, after all. Despite saying clearly that the door was locked, that, my friends, is what we call an "inconsistent statement," in the interrogation.

[@megansquires5953]

It hurt my heart to hear that girl screaming for her mommy. I feel so horrible knowing that her most excruciating and painful moment was put on the Internet for us all to hear.

[@franpag2611]

It does seem cruel to publish that very vulnerable and emotional time in her life. And then use it against her father. I wonder if Medical examiner #1 was a friend of the good doctor? I still think he is guilty.

[@Jilly6667]

My eyes started filling with tears that was truly painful to listen to

[@AuDHDarling]

@@franpag2611 , professionals in certain fields have an unofficial "code of silence" and will cover for each other, whether they're friends or not. Medical professionals, police, etc.

[@emilys3757]

@@franpag2611 It’s a 911 call, of course it’s going to be recorded and listened to by investigators and possibly used in court and become public record ect. Now, it being played on a monetized KZbin video…that I have a bit of an issue with.

[@kevinc809]

Too bad that's not evidence, that stuff you used to need to convict someone.

[@monlesstupar8076]

This case reminds me very much of the Michel Peterson case, made famous by a Netflix documentary called The Staircase. In both cases, wives lost their lives and their husbands claim it was an accident. However, the "scene" says otherwise, most notably the amount of blood and its splatter. In both cases, too, the husbands were respected men, and their children stood by them, despite obvious doubts.

[@stephenhill3286]

I'm pretty sure Peterson did it. My in laws say it was a owl attack

[@razztazz1982]

I helped search for that poor woman when she was reported missing & I have no doubt he murdered her (and her baby).

[@stephenhill3286]

@@razztazz1982 that's a different Peterson

[@GGiblet]

You might read the Audubon article Was an Owl the Real Culprit in the Peterson Murder Mystery? I would add the link but my comment would be yanked. Anyway, it's a great article

[@ltotheinzi0919]

@@razztazz1982 It's really hard to keep track. You're talking about Scott Peterson, the OP is talking about Michael Peterson, and then there's the even more evil killer named Drew Peterson who killed more than 1 of his wives. Crazy...

[@ashtontupper]

Imagine being murdered by your soon to be ex-husband, becoming a ghost,and watching your whole family take his side. The biggest tragedy is she was SO CLOSE to finally restarting her life without this guy who was probably/definitely abusive behind closed doors and he ruined it all for her. For nothing.

[@heathernikki5734]

Exactly. Very well said.

[@katiekane5247]

Getting loose is the most dangerous time. It's a travesty how often this happens. Happened in my little N. Georgia county last year. Wife had custody & a protection order. He followed her after she picked her kids up from school. She was on her phone with 911, pulled into a fire station & before anyone could respond, he shot her in front of their kids. His defense was that he had seen her sexually abusing their 6 y/o son in the school parking lot. Totally lied, he's been convicted but kids lost both parents & are traumatized beyond belief. Just terrible the rage that occurs!!!

[@jediping]

Yeah, I’m mad on her behalf. Who do the kids think did it if not their dad? Some mysterious intruder? More and more amazed that my mom was able to separate safely from my dad.

[@ashtontupper]

@@katiekane5247 WHA oh my gosh that is absolutely tragic. I would say this would be an interesting case for Mike to cover but just the fact that guy did it right in front of everyone makes it an open and shut kind of case. And not to mention, even if his allegations of her were true (which you said they weren't but STILL), that is no excuse to murder someone. Let the law take care of something like that. These greedy abusive people can't just let their ex-spouses leave them and live their fresh, new, happy lives in peace.

[@ashtontupper]

@@jediping I think he has manipulated his family. He is just the type where everyone in town LOVES him and calls him the most amazing person they've ever met, etc. but that's obviously just because he puts on that front for everyone. There was a reason she was trying to leave him. Usually in separations, one person will see it as a path to divorce and the other will see it as just "something they're trying out" like he said in the interview. The person who sees it as the path to divorce is the one who initiated it, and in this case I believe it was her, the victim. She knew who he was behind his mask and nobody else has ever seen that side of him. I feel bad for the children. They're being manipulated to this day.

[@jcmorton899]

Terrifying that a person that brings so much life into this world is equally as capable taking it out!

[@valcooper4327]

If part of her skull was found on the headboard and spatter behind the headboard, it's pretty safe to say something more than a fall in another room took place, to end the life of Leslie. Such a heartbreak for those kids. No matter how old you are it's sad to lose a parent, but under those circumstances tragic and heartbreaking. Thanks again Mike. P.s I could listen to your voice for days. You are such a sweetheart.

[@joeking433]

Here's a hint, he murdered his wife.

[@mattboyce3276]

If they really found that, why wait to the 2nd trial to make it known?

[@destinybryner7267]

@@mattboyce3276 I'm pretty sure he said that it wasn't discovered until a ways after the death. Do you think the husband could be innocent?

[@seandelap6268]

This is why i don't automatically respect someone because of their job title rotten human beings come in all shapes and forms and every walks i despise all these murderers equally.

[@marciadecastro7466]

Bam! Nailed it. I feel the same way. Human beings who are elected/hired/put in positions of authority, are greasy monsters too!

[@mauricedavis2160]

Preaching to the choir Mate!!!🙏👍🤔

[@violette80]

Exactly! It seems so dumb to me to see job titles on gravestones. One never sees stuff like "Mr Random, unemployed or stay at home Dad"

[@cuppycakey5013]

Yes, exactly. Doctor, military, nurse, they can all be absolute monsters.

[@mauricedavis2160]

@@violette80 stay at home dad is a really good one for a headstone (although I could see someone getting confused at the headstones placement and meaning!)🙏👻

[@Nostalgic_1]

You do NOT put someone on a bed to do CPR. A physician would definitely know that. I think that he was trying to get her to the bed in order to explain the blood on and around the bed. Personally, I think that, after losing his practice, his wife telling him that she was leaving pushed him over the edge. He probably didn't plan ahead of time to kill her (or he surely would have done better planning) but he likely lost his temper and lost control and killed her. Either way, he's still a murderer. Good riddance to him. I feel sad for their children. You certainly would never want to believe that your father could murder your mother so I understand their position on this terrible case.

[@violette80]

My thoughts exactly!

[@Coffeedrinker291]

I agree. I think the kids just can’t bring themselves to face that he did it so they choose to believe him. They have decided to live their family life that way, and pretend to themselves and everyone else that he’s innocent. Whether they actually have convinced themselves of that or not is another story. They may be in denial for real or they may just not want to admit it. Either way, I don’t blame them, he is the family they have left.

[@kmeccat]

Agreed. In the hospital, patients are either put on a back board or on dragged onto the floor during a code. Beds are the worst place to do CPR, due to softness.

[@dariuszglabik4558]

Yes exactly I'm not even doctor just read few times how to do CPR.. and i know you don't put victim on mattress or bed, you need stable surface .. in my opinion he definitely did it

[@sherrythompson2035]

I don't think he did. Drug her to the floor on the side of the bed. Yes, there was brain matter on headboard...but no blood on bed. Still, I agree..Never move someone ..except to closest hard surface to perform CPR.

[@lovingmayberry307]

This guy is disgusting! The blood spatter everywhere PROVES it was no accident. As for the Juror, she should see jail time for what she did and the problems she caused.

[@megatherion2695]

When I see my dog shitting outside in the backyard, I bang on the window, and laugh when he looks

[@lovingmayberry307]

@@megatherion2695 I feel sorry for your dog.

[@Yaygum]

@@megatherion2695 your sick

[@xinniethepooh7174]

@@Yaygum Take a chill pill geeezus! Bit much?

[@SH-ib5nn]

Blood-spatter analysis, bite-mark comparisons and lie detector testing are considered by many researchers to be scientifically dubious, responsible for dozens of wrongful convictions and deserving no place in the criminal justice system. Many other countries already consider these practices pseudoscience and are inadmissible in court. Note: Just the polygraph industry in the US is given in excess of 2 billion dollars a year for this service. Given the Governments acceptance and use of these devices a significant chunk of this revenue comes out of US citizens pockets. That's a lot for snake oil ... surely.?

[@robgillan2493]

I dont understand how the children stuck by him, his daughter had literally saw blood all over the bedroom but thinks she just fell in the shower. like come on

[@fallenangel7884]

A friend of mine's dad killed his wife with a machete here in my city. The wife was gonna leave him too, he butchered her to the point of being unrecognizable before she did. My friend stood by her father even after what he did. She went to court on his behalf, visit him in jail and said that she loved him and had forgiven him. I did not understand and still don't understand, how she could stand by a man that killed her mom that way. I guess some people hang on to an ideal or a fantasy of what the criminal in this case might be.

[@no_peace]

It's that or lose both parents in one day

[@MsBurnitup]

As children we forgive everything that our parents do.

[@itsybitsy999]

@@MsBurnitup Speak for yourself.

[@DaRkHoRsE-_-]

@@itsybitsy999 lol 😂 right?

[@paulwoodford6229]

She wanted her dead as well. They both planned it

[@econhelp583]

This doctor is unbelievable! At 21:12 he refuses to man up to the overwhelming evidence. He had a motive, he had the means, and the wounds suffered by the victim were not from a fall in a shower, so who inflicted the wounds? Everyone seems to know who inflicted the wounds except the doctor, his lawyer, and his kids who are in total denial.

[@SwaggerSales]

This dude literally helped deliver my little sister back in ‘98, right after my parents moved from Utica to Syracuse. Lol my mom said he was a huge d-bag even then, told her she was being dramatic for complaining about how weak her epidural was

[@vxCOCOxv]

Some doctors need to change professions. I too had a doctor tell me I don’t need any pain medication after my c-section, “I don’t believe in it”. A lot of murderers happen to be doctors, and they commit horrific crimes. Hopefully the jerk who delivered my child doesn’t murder his wife.

[@betsyj59]

Yeah, that kind of arrogance isn't a one-off. My brother was born in 1961. The doctor attempted to push him out of my mom and she told him it hurt really badly and that it felt like the baby wasn't coming out straight. He didn't even deign to answer, just shoved down again, really hard... my dad heard her blood-curdling shriek out in the waiting room. My brother came out with a slanted forehead - luckily his soft baby head resumed its natural shape with time.

[@pameversole5886]

Maybe that was part of the insurance fraud. Charging for x-amount of something but actually only giving y-amount. I had a dentist that used to charge cash for the laughing gas but I could never tell a difference. Last time I seen him, they walked away to let the numbing shots take effect…I maneuvered around until I could see the tank & on a dial of 1-10…it was 1 click above zero-still 4 clicks away from the 1. Once you lose trust in any “doc” there’s no going back.

[@turbogav8674]

I believe they call in a "God Complex"

[@zippersocks]

My mother was having kidney problems while she was pregnant with me. They told her to come back when she couldn’t tolerate the pain. My mom has a high pain tolerance and was close to losing me by the time she went to the hospital. They got mad at her for giving her bad advice.

[@AltClev37]

No tears from him. His kids are being manipulated by him and also he was a doctor and should have known not to move her body in case her neck was broken. Even his daughter knew that. Well at least he’s where he belongs.

[@LoriRadecki]

Children don’t really know their parents and vice versa…The motive was so apparent, after a long marriage (about to end) and following a failed practice, this doctor was gonna lose more than he could bear. She was worth just enough to save his greedy pockets. Slam dunk Mr. Prosecutor, Hats off to ya! Thanks Mike, you’re awesome.

[@lincolnsgirl8831]

It's interesting that when the doctor gives his account of finding her, he just says he "found her lying there" he "tired to resuscitate her" tried to "find her pulse" ... he "went into shock" finding her there ... he never mentions the blood -- of which there was SO MUCH that the daughter was screaming in absolute horror. incredible that these kids have stuck by him.

[@eveningstar1]

And never calls his wife by her name

[@daitsy2476]

That 911 call gave me chills her poor daughter.. that's really sad. I'm a grown man but I'd probably react the same if I found one of my parents like that.. idk how they wouldn't be able to convict him the wife from what it seems looks like she was brutally beat to death that right there should tell any rational person it wasn't a fall and just a hit on the head. Ridiculous.

[@vipset87]

i get it. i jus said something similar. that phone call will haunt me. i cant even imagine how she mustve felt to see her mom like that. its traumatic at any age, and she was YOUNG

[@violette80]

Yes it was heartbreaking!

[@pepironi992]

His wife seems like a really stand up person The first 20 years when he was a doctor brining in huge amounts of money - everything was paradise in their marriage He then loses his practice and all of a sudden the wife wants a divorce. How convenient and not coincidental whatsoever. She didn’t deserve death but she was not a good person.

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

@@pepironi992 That's a pretty big assumption to make there! There are a multitude number of reasons she may have wanted out... his dishonesty and stealing for one. Or perhaps having less money made him unpleasant. Or it could have been on the cards for some time. The list goes on, and no one, not me and not you, knows her reasons.

[@pepironi992]

@@It-is-me...Melsie yet she only wanted a divorce once the good times stopped hmm 🤔

[@robertjones8856]

Time and again people seem to think you own each other if your married, then if there's a breakup they murder them. It's just madness. I'm married (14yrs) I never take it for granted, but if 1 party wants to go...it's their choice. Great video's, and I love the little "life insurance bits". All the best everyone.

[@darius5286]

How are you married when your 14

[@GoldGlizzyGang]

@@darius5286 he has been married for (14) years

[@duMaurier15]

@@darius5286 he is from India or Pakistan.. Those people marry when they are 12 years old..

[@GoldinDay-x50]

A non violent separation would be better than murder for sure. Killing someone does not wolve any problem. Rest in Peace Leslie. ✨🌸💐🌸✨

[@julianmitchell5776]

You’re * stop trying to explain shit to people like you know things , when you can’t even properly distinguish between when it use you’re or your

[@soultosqueeze1853]

The medical examiner who ruled her death a accident I hope has been stripped of their credentials and can no longer be in practice. How is it possible to acknowledge the injuries and then say the cause was falling and hitting her head on a stone bench? They must have been pressured

[@duMaurier15]

Definitely..

[@tinak.356]

YEP, that medical Examiner was either LAZY or being paid to do say it was a accident.. It clearly was NOT an accident.

[@glamdolly30]

Pressured or bribed!

[@J_Lynn]

y'all he probably was just bad at his job and didn't want to fill out more paperwork or something. It happens in every profession, and this kinda thing is common unfortunately. It doesn't mean there was a conspiracy, it just means he sucks.

[@glamdolly30]

@@J_Lynn Oddly enough, 'this kinda thing' is far more common when the suspicion of homicide falls on a wealthy, influential white male. If this guy had been an unemployed manual worker whose wife was found with the same highly suspicious injuries, I suggest the ME would be far more likely to read it right - as a homicide! I wish I shared your optimistic default assumption that it was probably an innocent mistake. But the fact the potential wife killer was a celebrated obstetrician tells me otherwise. Thankfully US justice finally worked in this case - but how typical it took two expensive murder trails to finally put this abusive domestic killer behind bars for life, as he fully deserves. The fact his kids stood by him throughout only demonstrates how much power and control narcissistic abusers wield over those closest to them. Poor Leslie's marriage to him must have been hell. Like so many murdered women before her, she didn't realise he was capable of killing her, and stayed in the marital home too long - where he would inevitably take her life before he would let her leave him. The Barry Morphew spousal murder of wife Suzanne, has many parallels - though he has a better chance of getting away with it because he successfully disposed of his wife's body. She too was planning to leave her husband when he murdered her - domestic abuse happens in families right across the social spectrum. And like this case, the victim's adult children are supporting her killer. It's just a blessing these poor women are not around to witness their shocking betrayal by their own children.

[@melntribe4403]

Multiple injuries from just one fall in the shower... Doesn't need a degree in forensic science to gather it makes no sense whatsoever.

[@sabrinacoccagna742]

When the daughter screamed, "My Mommy!!" After seeing the bloody bathroom, it broke my heart. A girl always needs her mommy!; No matter how old the child.

[@Jayleepeartree]

That broke my heart also . Something about an adult woman crying for her mommy was just too much. 😔

[@agirlnamedbrett.]

a mother is a daughters best friend...I can't even imagine. it would be hard for me not to want to seek revenge. the only thing stopping me would be knowing my mom wouldn't want that for me. I think I'll hug my mom extra tight tonight.

[@seanlaughlin430]

So do boys(coming from a man who lost his at 12 years old)

[@sabrinacoccagna742]

@@seanlaughlin430 omg I am so sorry for your loss

[@Dontbecheekyonce]

Robbing your children of their mother is the worst thing a father could do especially from his daughter, and the violence involved. He was a Doctor he thought he more intelligent than everyone. Well he wasn't! What a beautiful woman

[@pennyfleming3006]

Honestly I don’t think he thought he was more intelligent I think he’s extraordinarily privileged and ppl, the jurors, would favourably bask in his role as a doctor. Funnily, the medical profession has a reputation for being run by narcissists and sociopaths. And I don’t use those terms from pop culture. I use them as someone who has a degree in psychology and actually knows the traits of these individuals. Money + Privilege +. Part of a professional community admired by so many = arrogance. He arrogantly believed he was above reproach. That’s narcissism 101

[@traciemartin3785]

@@pennyfleming3006 Exactly. 👏🏾👏🏾 Many times, their arrogance even shows on their facial expressions, rather they are speaking or not. Privileged, narcissistic people are usually dangerous people, it seems. Smh.

[@kimcwhite6509]

Martina, I agree. Putting his daughter through the horror of seeing her mother's dead body and all that blood is extremely cruel and selfish. I find it strange that given all the facts that they stand by him.

[@traciemartin3785]

@martina carson So very true.

[@leahoakwood9988]

19:13 Yeah, I slaughtered your mother, but here, let's link arms & make me look innocent!

[@forevercandace714]

That 911 call gave me cold chills. Hearing her daughter screaming. Heartbreaking 💔

[@patrickj4747]

The interview with the detectives looked more like a boardroom meeting. It was quite different than being alone for hours with two detectives in a small room with them sitting inches from you. The lesson here kids is, innocent or guilty, always get the best lawyer you can afford.

[@serpicosghost]

That's what money gets you

[@wchiwinky]

Thanks Mike! (I don't comment often but I watch everyone of your"goos'! ;) The daughter is not stupid. Notice her body language when coming out of court with her dad holding her close : her head is leaning away from her father and her facial expression says a lot: a mix of grief, horror and disgust..she knows her dad did it. Her narc father likely instilled fear and control of that family over the years through deceit, manipulation, lies...

[@lesflynn4455]

I think we'd all be showing weird body language when confronted by a phalanx of media shoving cameras in your face and yelling at you for comments. You're reading so much into perhaps three seconds of footage in totally unnatural circumstances

[@eflow4786]

Not sure if she was involved but she definitely covered for her dad afterwards

[@pelosishammer50]

Im still trying to process the juror who sent 7000 text messages during the trial. RIP Leslie

[@erin19030]

That juror should have been disqualified and the trial declared a mistrial.

[@Flikswich]

@@erin19030 That's literally what happened

[@asclepius.dionysus]

@@erin19030 wtf did you not watch the video lmao???? it was a mistrial because of that, 2nd trial happened in 2018 with MORE evidence ands he was convicted even harder.

[@opieutt9038]

I may have sent 700 in my lifetime.. 😂 Maybe

[@dougalexander7204]

People who have everything and throw it away like this are despicable. Perhaps prison justice is being served,

[@rachaelbeaver7285]

It is astonishing how many people stand by someone who is clearly guilty of some awful things. When Ed Kemper was arrested for being a serial killer even the sheriffs had a difficult time believing it! Just because it's your dad, neighbor, best friend, doesn't mean they are incapable of being a monster. It's a super sad situation!

[@spasticjackson9578]

It amazing how those people throw their own credibility in the trash by "standing up" for a friend. They make a bad situation worse.

[@johannahoneyman697]

100%

[@VioletJoy]

We've seen it time and time again. Some people just can't see the guilt and some won't admit it. Denial can be a really strong force. I'm too much of a realist for that.

[@andymcnaughton7745]

Like the judge at Bundys conviction

[@TheGrmany69]

NEVER! underestimate denial.

[@danescott5149]

When he talks about the bathroom he first said it was locked than said he didn't know if it was locked because it had to fit his narrative. Whether his kids be he is innocent or not has no bearing on his guilt. Nobody would believe their father could kill their mother unless there was definitive evidence... Which I believe ( as did the jury) it was pretty clear that what he was saying could not have happened and didn't fit the crime scene. What a shame for the family to be caught up in his lies.

[@TManLD]

he surely did say it was locked, I played it back to make sure I heard right the first time.

[@eyeswideopen6492]

yer i caught that

[@sammurphy3343]

Confirmed I noticed that too.

[@sammurphy3343]

Not saying he wasn't just lying there, but it's possible it was just a error. I do think he's guilty though.

[@likmeanus1996]

@@sammurphy3343 it is a fact hé is guilty, the evidence speaks for itself. And no that wasn't a error. An error of incriminating himself yes 😝👍🏻

[@hannaharrajj3748]

Leslie sounded like an amazing woman, may she rest in peace wherever she may be. She did not deserve the way she went out.

[@GoldinDay-x50]

I feel sad for their Mother. Betrayed by all of them after 61 years of life. Rest in Peace Leslie. 🌸✨💐✨🌸

[@haggis525]

It's weird. 17 September, 2012 was the day I separated from my wife of nearly 20 years. In my case, though, I just moved out of the house into a great apartment about a mile and a half from my work. Saved about 35 miles a day on my commute! Fast forward going on 10 years and I'm not in prison. Oh... and last I heard my ex-wife is still alive. Live and let live is my motto. Also this way my now adult children get to have two dysfunctional parents. Value added right there, I reckon. Oh... and I love you too, Mike. Big ol' hugs from Canada.

[@NotaHuskywolf]

That's the same day mine left me (she's never been seen again😂😂

[@DentsutXD]

I feel like if my dad was moving my mom I would've bounced on him. I feel so much anger towards him forcing his daughter into that situation knowing full well he's the one who caused the injuries

[@theunspokentruth5987]

Bounced on him ?

[@wholethedogsout880]

*pounced@@theunspokentruth5987

[@flunkiebubs2002]

​@@theunspokentruth5987attack him, physically prevent him from moving her

[@anneburlingham9860]

I’m from Syracuse. He is a vile, rotten person. The whole community was heartbroken for those kids. Subsequently after the conviction, he was retried - and convicted a second time after a reversal on appeal. Awful.

[@UncleDruncles]

Hey Mike, great episode. I’m from that area and was living there when this all went down & during both trials. There’s a small fact I noticed you hadn’t mentioned. Dr. Neulander, like you mentioned, was previously married. His former wife reached out to D.A. Bill Fitzpatrick and let him know the Dr had beaten her pretty badly during their marriage and it was well documented during their divorce proceedings apparently. Furthermore, the guy who bought Dr Neulander’s mansion where Leslie was killed reached out to The DA’s office too. He had a story about his purchase offer for the mansion. Supposedly the Man met The Dr at the mansion for a tour and to make an offer. Apparently the bedroom and bathroom were never cleaned nor addressed after the murder. He explained to The Dr that he would need to have the areas remodeled and would like the Dr to consider taking $25k less than the asking price. The Man went on to explain Dr Neulander became irate and visibly angry. So much so the Man thought The Dr was going to hit him. The Man eventually bought the home. That’s when Bill Fitzpatrick asked the new owner if DA investigators could come look inside the mansion for forensic evidence. He gave them permission and evidence they did find AND use at his second trial. Brain matter discovered on the headboard and wall behind the headboard. Also, famed Forensic Pathologist Dr. Michael Baden testified for the defense at both trials as well if I’m not mistaken.

[@islam_will_Dominate]

Lies

[@juliaszybowicz7709]

Thank you for the extra info. It fits exactly the kind of controlling egotistical monster that would kill his wife when he's backed into a corner.

[@islam_will_Dominate]

@@juliaszybowicz7709 he didn't do it. Insurance companies don't wanna pay .

[@elle9543]

Wow. That's violence to lodge brain matter BEHIND a headboard.

[@Jamesfrancosdog]

@@islam_will_Dominate grow up. He’s guilty.

[@BudhagRizzo]

Close families are always going to be in denial when it comes to the guilt of a loved one. But there's no denying the 911 call and the blood spatter evidence.

[@Katz_Pajamas]

23:25 The common "this proves it's innocent" line. "You really think we'd stick by him if...." I'm like, YES! It happens all the time, especially when it comes to the children sticking by the convicted/guilty parent. They usually either don't want to lose both parents since they've already lost one, or, they just don't want to believe their parent can do something that horrific. I feel bad for the children in these situations, no matter how old they are. I just don't think it was a good idea to use that reasoning to try and convince the public of his father's "innocence".

[@opossums-will-sing]

I think that response was to a reporter asking a dumb question: he's obviously defending his father, and he wouldn't defend someone he thought was guilty of killing his mother.

[@mermaidsquad1391]

Yep look at Chad Daybell and Barry Morphew, their children can't except it.

[@Katz_Pajamas]

@@opossums-will-sing I see your point. That form of rhetorical question that I pointed out, tho, is commonly used when someone is being deceptive, in order to try and convince, instead of convey, a message. It's fallacious reasoning. It implies an answer that is presupposed to only go one way and it attempts to surpass the discernment of the listener. Which leads me to believe that he knows his father is guilty and is on an emotional defense. My point was to say that if he had said pretty much the same thing but more as a statement valuing integrity, such as, "I would never defend my father, or anyone, if I thought they were guilty" it would have better satisfied his intention of conveying his dad's presumed innocence to the public. I sympathize with how much he wants to defend his father despite it seeming that he knows he's guilty. That's unconditional love.

[@nycgirltee]

Sad part is they're sticking by him and he really did kill their mother 😩

[@tinak.356]

Poor Daughter.. But Dad killed MOM...NO love at all for DAD.. I feel for her.

[@kathleenwilkins4294]

Why do we see over and over again, with people almost getting away with murder? Why don't they do a better investigation? How many people have gotten away with it?

[@allisonh6349]

Yes yes Y E S!!!!! I am OBSESSED with this case!!!!! We listened to the 911 call in my high school forensics class and everyone was horrified by the daughter’s screams. This is such a sick case…. Thank you for covering it!!!

[@lindajones6101]

High School Forensics?

[@ivy7417]

@linda Jones yes, they exist. My high school offered a forensics class as long as you were willing to drive to the classroom at a technical college.

[@ghoulishtoad]

@@lindajones6101 Yeah im in it and its shit, i know way more than everyone else cause of youtube lmfao

[@lorettascott5477]

WowIve been feeling so cheated by all the cool classes offered in HS nowadays. Im willing to back.... 🤔😂😊

[@allisonh6349]

Ours was through a local college. A few teachers were qualified to teach the college-level material at our school, and we were able to receive college credit for it, like other AP classes :)

[@cainmathewson1857]

That poor daughter. That was probably the most horrific 911 call I've ever heard. She had to endure that nightmare only for her to be used as a pawn by both sides of the system

[@badabing8152]

Don't feel too sorry for her. She's dumb as rocks. Still thinks daddy is innocent. lmao. She's a hottie though. Or at least was.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

@@badabing8152 first of all, ew to your comment. Second, she could be in denial. She could have lost 2 parents that day.

[@DaRkHoRsE-_-]

My most horrible hearing of a 911 call is a woman stranded in he car in a flood. The 911 operator was horrid to her and she must live with the vision of the woman gasping and dying for the rest of her life!!!

[@cainmathewson1857]

@@DaRkHoRsE-_- I heard that one. She did her best to stay patient probably initially believing emergency personnel would certainly come and rescue her but as time goes by and dispatch proves more and more incompetent you can hear the fear and the panic slowly fill her tone. Meanwhile the 911 operator is too busy playing "Raid: Shadow Legends" to care about her pleas. I don't know how a person can be that callous while listening to someone die. The least they could do is offer some degree of comfort. Not only is that one horrific and sad, it's downright infuriating. It should be used in dispatch training classes to show everything you're not supposed to do when you take a 911 call

[@annastephens581]

Many of my childhood friends were delivered by this Dr. So chilling to learn this was the type of monster taking care of many mothers and babies in the area.

[@sarahholland2600]

Psych research has found the top 3 careers for those with psychopathic traits are: Corporate CEO, medicine, law enforcement. They gravitate to roles that give them power, control & status.

[@Lindsey578]

@@sarahholland2600 I think they may need to be wired a little different to cut people up for surgery and not 🤮

[@krusher181]

@@Lindsey578 nah that’s not true imo. You can perform surgery out of empathy. Throwing up from blood is… not a sign of being a good person lol.

[@Lindsey578]

@@krusher181 not bad just different was what I said- however medicine is one of the top 3 professions for people who have psychopath traits- that doesn’t mean it includes every single person though it’s a generalization

[@krusher181]

@@Lindsey578 my moms a doctor and she’s just a weird nerdy type. definitely the majority of doctors arent psychopathic but yeah I understand that it is alluring to psychopaths. The people my mom worked with were sometimes very strange, lacking empathy you might say. Also weirdly I would say some psychopaths could be better surgeons (specifically surgery/working on living people) due to the lack of empathy. They see the person like a puzzle that needs to be solved, yknow

[@kingslandmusicproductionsi6565]

I am from there in CNY the daughter didn't testify in the retrial in fear of perjury

[@Tarabull7353]

Him calling out for his daughter to walk into that is beyond heartbreaking. They lost their mother and quite simply love is blind. The thought of their father being capable of such a despicable act after losing their Mom, he is the only thing they had left of normalcy and they put on their blinders when dad is looking them in the eye saying he didn't do it. But the girls 911 call really does say it all. That was very tough to hear her pleading with her dad and saying My Mommy. She was completely hysterical and what daughter is going to think their dad could do that when all this was going on. She was only thinking of her mom. I feel bad for the kids but ffs how does brain matter end up on the bed and blood spatter everywhere when you fell in the shower. I think deep down they have to know or at least question that and don't want to face the horrible truth. It's truly heartbreaking and he is a gigantic greedy pos. These are smart kids coming from a doctor and a nurse so denial is definitely the motive because the truth hurts too much.

[@pammers5588]

I agree. It was such a terrible ordeal that he put his daughter and other children through. Such a senseless crime.

[@supernova11711]

And how she was screaming at him not to move her…EVERYONE knows that. Anyone else probably would have suspected him right away just for that. He’s their dad though, so of course you’re right…they didn’t WANT to see what was right in front of them. It’s hard to believe things like this actually happen in real life. Married for how many years and built a family together…it’s just terrible.

[@ir0n392]

I don’t deny he was the one who ultimately put her through that ordeal but I didn’t hear anything about him asking her to come in. From what I heard he asked her to call 911 and then the dispatcher asked her to go to her father/mother.

[@emb5048]

I thought that too. Any decent parent would. If it were MY dad, I can *hear* him yellong "Call 911 or go get help. DON'T COME IN HERE!!"

[@csh43166]

Is it just me, or can the good doctor hardly keep a straight face during his interview with the attorneys? It's a horrible situation, regardless of what actually happened. Hearing the daughter on the 911 call is heartbreaking... 😞

[@kevindube7096]

It’s the mustache, I swear. He picked the wrong style facial hair if he really did it & wanted to get away with it...

[@UncleDruncles]

There was a discussion as to whether to charge HER with perjury after the first trial. It was decided against. She was not called by the defense in the 2nd trial nor called by the prosecution as they felt her testimony in the first trial wasn’t truthful. Due to the fact Prosecutors felt she was under extreme emotional distress in light of the nature of the crime and the victims relationship to her….. she wasn’t acting with any criminal intent.

[@aircastles1013]

He sure doesn’t seem remotely sad.

[@oldhickory4686]

"every morning I make a cup of coffee, and I bring her a cup of coffee, and I tell her here is your cup of coffee, and I leave the cup of coffee, cause she needs a cup of coffee to wake up, so I make coffee every morning"...and therefore I am innocent...

[@aircastles1013]

@@oldhickory4686 Well that is surely the sign of an innocent man? If my ex husband had ever made me coffee I would have died of the shock, no murder necessary 😂.

[@EM-ub3hn]

I love when Mike say's he loves us! Seriously, makes me smile every time!!

[@perfectlyimperfect_8528]

That “my mommy” Jenna screamed…. And the “daddy stop moving her please”…. You can feel the panic & hurt in her voice. Poor girl. Adult or not that’s a lot for a child to see.

[@janrobnettwordweaver2227]

He doesn't look or sound like he continues to mourn her everyday. He doesn't look the least bit upset by it at all. As soon as I heard he was moving her with a head injury I knew something was up. I had a major concussion when I was a child and my mom tried to remove leaves and twigs from my hair where I had fallen from the horse on a trail ride. The nurses said, "Don't do that! You can't touch her head!" I don't remember this, but my mom told me about when I recovered.

[@bunnymad5049]

Especially how far he moved her. If he really needed room, maybe move her to the bathroom floor if the shower was too tight. I mean, the bathroom was large and there was space. But, to move her 60 feet is just weird.

[@sancho8521]

It was years later

[@Lindsey578]

I had one in Jail they immediately have you get up to clean your vomit and took me two days later when I didn’t know what day it was and forgot who the president was to see a doctor it was super but I didn’t kill anyone so I didn’t have to stay to long - but yea I’m lucky they didn’t kill me

[@freedomofspeech766]

@@Lindsey578 You said that all in one breath, phew!!!!

[@MDCxThePG]

You can't expect everyone to react the same way to grief. Not everyone is the same. You don't see him on a day to day basis to know if he mourns or not. You saw him for maybe 3 mins in a taped interview.

[@singingmizv1173]

If the water was still running? Wouldn’t that have washed the blood down the drain? No way that it would have gotten all over the bedroom unless it happened before hand…. She was leaving… He wasn’t having it :( Sadly.

[@wingolamo]

That's why you should NEVER tell a spouse that you're planning on leaving. Especially when said spouse is drowning in debt and desperate. He had already tanked his practice by committing insurance fraud, so he was a definitely desperate man, and one who lacked a moral compass. I'm pretty sure a plan was already in the works to kill her for the life insurance $$ at some point, (probably one a bit less sloppy.) But then she told him she was leaving, and he saw that $500K disappearing before his eyes, so he had to fast-track it before she removed him as her beneficiary. That's my guess, anyway.

[@KoKo-fp7tt]

When she said "my mommy" I immediately welled up with tears. I felt that. My heart goes out to her.

[@brokeandnamelessnyc]

His son was the single worst teacher I’ve ever had in life. I see now being rotten to the core is a genetic trait he inherited from his father.

[@poempadgett4664]

What did he teach?

[@jeffthompson3379]

Several people have already said it, but that 911 call is absolutely heart wrenching. Especially when she cried out for her mommy 😧🥺 I can only imagine what that poor girl was going through 😔 Time to text my mom.

[@geraldbarreno535]

No so poor at the end ..they turn on her mother ..she knows deep inside he did it ..no at that time but how can u stay side of u dad if she saw blood bedroom before he move her to the bed like she say blood everywere she definitely know he did it end then all rest of the children know the true ..quilty ...they don't care is all about money..shame on then.

[@sheryldalton8965]

When his lawyer said he was the most honorable man he'd ever met i had to lol. I doubt a criminal defense attorney meets many honorable people, including himself& his collegues.

[@sorrelbee113]

I used to think that too, but I realized the necessity of defense attorneys. Wrongful convictions happen, miscarriages of justice happen, and more often than not as soon as someone is accused of or charged with a crime (especially a heinous one) that person is already convicted in the court of public opinion. I think making it your life's work to put your own judgements, and perhaps your own pride, aside in order to make sure each and every one of your clients has the best shot possible at a fair fight in court is pretty honorable (especially if you're a public defender, in which case you are horribly overworked and underfunded), and very necessary. The presumption of innocence is vital, and the burden of proof should always be on the prosecution, even if you and everyone else thinks your client is guilty. Personally, I've been the victim of some pretty shit stuff, and so have people very close to me; and the things that happened to them came around to impact my life in negative ways because of the ways that trauma changed them. I would still rather the people who committed those crimes have the best legal defense possible, and I would still rather they get away with the things they did, if the alternative is a poor defense, the presumption of guilt, and any increased chance someone - anyone - could be wrongfully convicted. Remember too that human error happens and the justice system is adversarial, and it could always be me or you sitting in that chair, in need of a strong defense, regardless of whether we've actually done anything wrong.

[@jenn8179]

Right? It's not saying much.

[@clydebear6914]

They'll say and try anything.

[@sheryldalton8965]

@@sorrelbee113 i see your point but it takes a 'special' kind of person to praise & lie for a client that's commited a heinous crime. Especially when it's against children. I've seen much worse than this guy. No way i could be a defense attorney. Not saying that there aren't prosecutors just as bad.

[@jeannievail]

That's exactly what I and probably most people thought.

[@Subconscious.Sarah.]

That 911 call was heartbreaking the way she screamed for her mommy 😢

[@brittneytyson3685]

Made me cry. I can’t begin to imagine how that feels.

[@desiertoscacti5388]

Omg, the insurance dance, I'm dying!!! LOL. Thank you Mike for the research and the video on that case. The daughter's cries on the 911 call were heart wrenching indeed. RIP to that poor woman, she never deserved such a horrible death.

[@MA-nc8uc]

Robert delivered 4 out of my 5 children ..He and his wife (God rest her beautiful soul) were great friends of my family and they both were beloved members of the community. This whole case is so sad and heartbreaking. I appreciate you covering it thou great job!

[@hanchan254]

Even crazier, you aren't the only person in the comments whose child he delivered.

[@lesflynn4455]

This case must have been a huge shock to you. So many comments on here scream condemnation. I think he was convicted on very scant evidence, and I believe in most modern economies where cases are decided by learned judges, the evidence would have been insufficient to prove Robert's guilt. But sadly the US loves a show trial, a showman prosecutor, and a jury of less learned peers.

[@juliaszybowicz7709]

@@lesflynn4455 there is sufficient evidence to convict him way beyond a reasonable doubt. Did you not watch this?!

[@lesflynn4455]

@@juliaszybowicz7709 Of course I watched every minute of it. I don't know if he murdered her or not. I'm just not 100% certain he did. No weapon, no motive, no history of violence in the family. There's no telling how ppl will react when confronted with a scene like this. The blood spatter i can't explain, but this isn't Dexter. Iwould still be very interested to see what the outcome would be in trial by judge. These days the is no such thing as an impartial jury. Everyone is plugged in 24/7. Finding jurors with no former knowledge of the case and therefore no pre formed opinion is virtually impossible.

[@LoveThinkLaugh]

“Dr. Neulander walked around like butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth.” 😆🙌 Love your quips, Mike!

[@maryvallettakeith6146]

That's a pretty common saying.

[@LoveThinkLaugh]

@@maryvallettakeith6146 Is it? I’d never heard it!

[@mariebernier3076]

@@LoveThinkLaugh I know that it's said down South.

[@loveforeignaccents]

Funny... the 911 calls I've heard where someone needs CPR who is in the bed is always instructed to try to put them down on a hard, flat surface, yet this DOCTOR doesn't know that, nor that every second counts, instead of carrying her 60 feet across the house?!??

[@polarbear67]

Literally you don’t even need to be a doctor to know this… it’s common sense.

[@marymartindale884]

Exactly

[@jenn8179]

Right?? 60 feet?? Thats quite a ways to drag a body! If he needed more space, how about just outside the bathroom door? But that wouldn't explain all the blood over by the bed 🙄

[@jeannievail]

Exactly. Also, if his CPR was so extremely violent that it cause blood spatter on the walls and actual tissue to shoot onto the headboard, why wasn't there any on the sheets next to her?

[@easthialeah7210]

Mike no one does this better than you man!! You have a gift !!!! Love it all!!

[@loriepaix6391]

I'm trying to imagine an innocent person saying, "I'm innocent, and I could not or would not say that if I were not". It's not going well.

[@horsepanther]

Exactly. That was bizarre. And Dr. Seuss-like.

[@jMci726]

Omg I’ve been recommending this case to every channel! Dr. Neulander delivered my daughter! And his daughter Jenna is my cousins best friend! She’s such a sweet beautiful girl. She didn’t deserve all this! And still stands by her dad, they’re very close. But he obviously did it!my cousin says he was the most normal down to earth guy, and their family was a lot of fun, welcoming, and sweet. It’s completely mind blowing that he could do that. Also our DA ? Fitzy!! is a force you better hope you don’t have to reckon with! Bc you’re going to prison!!We love him!

[@ianjacka469]

These uploads underpin my week. Watched ALOT of true crime but that was one of the most chilling 911 calls I've heard. The non-verbals told the story, from the doctor's lies to his daughter leaning away from him and not making eye contact at all. Felt sorry for the kids at first, but after 10 years they new the truth deep down, I hope they were just in mega denial and not worrying about their inheritance and lifestyle they had.

[@cherylmcelveen2817]

Your comment truly resonates with me...

[@ianjacka469]

@@cherylmcelveen2817 Great minds think alike as they say ; )

[@kameshinipillay4587]

I agree I watch so much of this stuff, but her call, her screams "My mommy" it really stuck with me...

[@gLobbZ]

He was so matter of fact with his words to the court.. All monotone "I loved my wife, Leslie... I mourn her everyday"

[@chloecostas1989]

So fake. He loves only himself.

[@ZombieSazza]

The son asking “do you think we’d be with him if we thought he was guilty”, well yes, strangely. It might be 10 years later but he’s your father, they don’t wanna believe he did that to their mother Leslie, and he’s their only surviving parent, so yes, I fully believe the kids would still wanna stand by him. Not because they think he’s innocent but because he’s their only parent and they don’t wanna lose another parent. Which is heartbreaking honestly, especially after hearing his daughter wail like that in the 911 call, he did that to their mother, he heard his daughters cries and her distress and he didn’t even flinch, he’s never admitted guilt, and he’s never going to.

[@lorimoore5589]

Oh I don't think they even believe he is guilty. They are so traumatized their minds won't go there. No way if I thought my dad did that would I stand by him, it would be hard but I would owe it to my mom to be her voice.

[@marygoff3332]

Look at the Barry Morphew case. The daughters act like 5 year olds, smitten with their father. Weird indeed.

[@justintime753]

@@marygoff3332 yeah that one is super weird. Then making dinner together and eating like nothing happened

[@deeee4663]

@@marygoff3332 yeahhh that one is extremely creepy.

[@intruder313]

The daughter literally caught him red handed but still stood by him. Bizarre because it’s immediately obvious that he did it.

[@juliaszybowicz7709]

Denial. I pray that the children are able to come to terms with this horrific murder and find peace. God rest their poor mother's soul. 🕊️ Thank you to those who aren't giving up to keep justice staying served. ♎⚖️. He needs to stay in jail, for life.

[@neuguy]

Stfu with the spoilers ffs

[@betsyj59]

@@neuguy What are you talking about? Don't you watch the video before reading the comments?

[@ex_nazguul]

@@neuguy you came to the comments my guy

[@metalvideos1961]

@@juliaszybowicz7709 where was god when he killed his wife?

[@cherryontop8177]

Thank you for doing what you do! Ready to give it a goo

[@ThatChapter]

Means a lot thank you!

[@pepironi992]

His wife seems like a really stand up person The first 20 years when he was a doctor brining in huge amounts of money - everything was paradise in their marriage He then loses his practice and all of a sudden the wife wants a divorce. How convenient and not coincidental whatsoever. She didn’t deserve death but she was not a good person.

[@gtw4546]

@@pepironi992 Maybe it wasn't the loss of money but the fraud that he committed? That can create quite a paradigm shift. Since he was cheating the insurance company, it gets you re-evaluating every questionable thing that you've been excusing during the marriage.

[@I_Am_SciCurious]

The doctor’s behavior is the most convincing evidence. Even if he thought he could allow himself to move her in light of his professional background, he would know that you don’t put someone on a bed to do CPR. If you’re not cracking a rib or two while doing chest compressions then you’re not pushing hard enough. You want the person on the floor where there’s no give behind them. He behaved like an uneducated lay person in an emergency, though he’s been trained to keep his head in crisis situations and administer proper care. He’s guilty af. His poor daughter was his second victim.

[@BlueAmerican26]

Dang Mike giving me flash backs to this case! I was pretty local to this and it's crazy what happened. For a doctor, he is pretty freaking bad at making up a story to cover up what he did. Those poor kids cant accept that their father murdered their mom.

[@pretorious700]

It's pretty obvious he beat her to death, then staged the "fall". What's also horrible is his egocentric denial and lack of personal responsibility. He's lying to himself.

[@karmaisreal9341]

Nothing is obvious through media. Question everything. Question motive. Question sources. Question everything.

[@junglekutz5625]

Right! Why even read a speech about an innocent man and your famiky blah, blah, blah. You would either have been crying your eyes out due to disbelief and anger or you would have been silent because the evidence that you gave/made your attorney aware of would speak on behalf of you.

[@junglekutz5625]

@@karmaisreal9341 even though what you've said is true, somethings (especially something like the 911 call) can't be ignored.

[@alyonavam9040]

One of the best things about That Chapter is that you can always count on Mike to release an episode on Tuesday and Friday. Means a lot, very containing and somehow, we know, he's got us! 😊

[@myunknownland9272]

Wednesday and Saturday here. 😂

[@domcagney2352]

Definitely the most consistent KZbinr I follow

[@0Reies]

And yet I manage to always be pleasantly surprised when a new video is released 😂

[@pepironi992]

His wife seems like a really stand up person The first 20 years when he was a doctor brining in huge amounts of money - everything was paradise in their marriage He then loses his practice and all of a sudden the wife wants a divorce. How convenient and not coincidental whatsoever. She didn’t deserve death but she was not a good person.

[@everthedon9003]

besides last week had me sad