The Smallville And Superman Disrespect Is Crazy

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[@Mightymick114]

I grew up with lois and clark and there was also a superboy series that's worth checking out that was on in the late 80s early 90s

[@simonjack9699]

Yeah no respect think about when tom Clark Kent came as a cameo on a crossover they only gave him what 5 minutes screen time for someone who played Clark Kent and it wasn't for smallville we wouldn't have shows like arrow and flash.. People forget prior to smallville WB was nothing but dramas like Jack and Jill and Dawson's creek...

[@C.R.Cole331]

My mom and I used to watch Smallville religiously back in the day and our only problem was that they kept advertising “ it’s before Clark becomes Superman”. But he faces literally all his villains.

[@CalSkywalker]

“Gotham” has same problem

[@jasonbodden8816]

@@C.R.Cole331 Well, that was easy to get past for me so it wasn’t a problem. I just laughed it off. Especially when he fights that Dawson’s Creek version of Doomsday. But I accepted certain things because of the kind of show it was meant to be - a superhero version of Dawson’s Creek lol. And I loved it. Even bought the special edition DVD set back when it was released, metal case and everything. Was great!

[@elmstreetslasher9780]

Show sucked ass! You can clearly tell Tom Welling did it for the paycheck

[@jasonbodden8816]

@ 😂

[@michaeljordan9664]

@@elmstreetslasher9780Cool opinion. 🥱

[@krypt0nit3gaming33]

Smallville is what made me love Superman . I still watch it a few times a year , it's probably my all time favourite show

[@eskanda3434]

Tbh taking off the nostalgia Smallville was always meant to be Dawsons Creek starring Clark Kent it got slightly better as the show went on but it didnt really age well at all. The corny music, dated effects and basic plots and teen melodrama was just always forgettable

[@jasonbodden8816]

@@eskanda3434 You’re entitled to your preferences.

[@Deescovery1]

Yeah so for me it was a mixture of this show, justice league unlimited, and the legion of superheroes cartoon.

[@mexdrago3009]

You lost me at corny music. I dont even want to know your taste in music.​@@eskanda3434

[@eskanda3434]

@ “somebody save me” really??? not to mention the emo goth band of the week for every episode the soundtrack is horribly dated now with forgotten pop music from 2000s

[@Ultriac301]

Lois & Clark, Smallville and Superman & Lois gave us the greatest adaptations of Superman after the Christopher Reeve fims.

[@michaelsoto8490]

Facts

[@lukeyznaga7627]

TRUTH, bro! Yes, tell the truth. with you all the way, "Ultria". I STILL rewatch those shows just to enjoy DC (not the modern Warner Hoes studios ).

[@SupergirlJLM]

Once Superman becomes public domain they won't need permission from WB or DC

[@kalkella8822]

You do realize that it's a very specific version of Superman right? Batman and Superman as a whole aren't entering the public domain. It's the original 30's and 40's versions that enter the public domain. It's the same with Mickey Mouse, you can only use steamboat willy. People won't have free reign like most seem to think.

[@SupergirlJLM]

@kalkella8822 ah okay

[@kalkella8822]

@@SupergirlJLM I wasn't trying to be a dick, it's just a comment I see a lot. A lot of people get excited about it without actually understanding the specifics of it. I just don't want people getting their hopes up.

[@SupergirlJLM]

@@kalkella8822 no worries and that is understandable 😁

[@alexandermccalla5098]

⁠@@kalkella8822sounds like we could still get Year 1 versions of those characters if it’s the golden age versions

[@STARSILVER117]

Smallville is goated and the cast is nice as hell. I met Tom Welling, Kristin Kreuk, Micheal Rosenbaum, Erica Durance, John Glover a couple of years ago and they were all super nice. any disrespect towards Smallville will be promptly ignored TLDR: Smallville is Goated End Of Discussion

[@eskanda3434]

No it’s not taking off the nostalgia Smallville was always meant to be Dawsons Creek starring Clark Kent it got slightly better as the show went on but it didnt really age well at all. The corny music, dated effects and basic plots and teen melodrama was just always forgettable

[@michaeljordan9664]

@@eskanda3434A copy and paste comment you’ve put multiple places. You’re not convincing anyone lol 😂

[@eskanda3434]

@ cry more

[@mexdrago3009]

​@eskanda3434 You're part of the new. It's all nostalgia and overated crowd. We get it. You're too cool for us. You don't want to live in the past. Does Michael Jackson suck too now.

[@God-k5b]

@@mexdrago3009 Smallville got so bad towards the later seasons and looking back, it’s def a corny CW type show with cheesy dialogue. Same with Superman and Lois except it had better CGI etc but the corny factor is always problematic in these. I’m just glad Superman and Lois ended so I can feel the joy from the tears of grown men crying over it. The viewership for the show was below average if you look at it so the people who watch it are literal tasteless nerds who probably game all day and get hype off of everything. It’s like a societal way of bullying them. I support any kind of bullying, fans of CW shows and chronic gamers are perfect untapped market to bully.

[@samuraigundam0079]

It’s because Gunn wants his connected shows to matter more. I personally hate the idea of following a show to understand a movie, but a Smallville animated show, in its own universe, would be awesome.

[@bensneb360]

Smallville has my favorite Lex Luthor, Lois Lane, Jonathan and Martha Kent, and my second favorite Clark Kent (behind Christopher Reeves). It has its ups and downs, but it’s a wicked fun show with a great Superman origin

[@robertw31968]

I was 33 or 34 when Smallville came out. I had gotten out of comics and super heros in general. But when Smallville came on tv it got me back in to comics and superhero shows. Ive watched every episode and every episode of the Arrowverse all the way to Superman and Lois. I'm 56 now and the ending of Superman and Lois really hurt. It was a end of a great period. I hate how they treat these shows. Great video btw

[@cole6843]

My favorite live action DC show is Batman with Adam west! But I also love Gotham, and Superman and Lois! It's a shame superman and Lois didn't get all the seasons that was promised. The final season was still great though. I never finished watching Smallville. I might pick it back up.

[@alexandermccalla5098]

In what way would continuing smallville be “copying marvel”? Gunn has to explain that one. His involvement with DC is copying marvel and the overlapping casts, since he puts his friends and wife into his more recent things, is copying if anything

[@SpiderSora]

People need to put some damn respect on Tom Welling and Smallville because it's one of the only Superman stories that I can think of that ACTUALLY doesn't misrepresent Superman unlike certain iterations of Superman who have pushed this false narrative of who Superman actually is that don't understand who Superman actually is

[@Dangangela6565]

superman and lois is great

[@ClashMasterStudios]

@@Dangangela6565 he can't be talking S&L cause it's a Great Amazing Show take it from a teen who don't like superman and his boy scout personality and only read Manga or webtoon know i'm talking to like him

[@Adam88899]

Also Smallville’s VFX looks really good to this day it doesn’t look outdated and I’m glad that I grow up with Tom Wellings Superman that’s my Superman in the 2000s and he felt like what Superman needs to be not too dark or depressing Superman.

[@mexdrago3009]

I still love the Bart and clark episodes.

[@Adam88899]

@ Me too Nostalgic asf

[@lyinginertia]

Man, perfect timing... I've just recently started getting more interested in Superman and have been eyeing the Smallville TV series this past month. Ironically enough it's because of SSKTJL that's made me want to go back and enjoy what made these heroes so great. As for favorite DC show, I love the TV series Gotham and find it pretty underrated. Despite its campiness & absurd plot armor, I feel that enhances it considering it is DC and dealing with comic book villains leading up to Batman. Phenomenal casting and acting. Looking forward to getting into Smallville soon

[@mattb6369]

I find Gotham gets nowhere near enough attention while currently Penguin is getting a tremendous amount of attention "because it's Streaming-exclusive and spunoff from a movie", just like Peacemaker.

[@batmanvsuperman_]

Gotham was my favorite show of all time ... until i finished Smallville - you'll enjoy it very much.

[@God-k5b]

Smallville got so bad towards the later seasons and looking back, it’s def a corny CW type show with cheesy dialogue. Same with Superman and Lois except it had better CGI etc but the corny factor is always problematic in these. Gotham is goated cause it was almost bad on purpose. I’m just glad Superman and Lois ended so I can feel the joy from the tears of grown men crying over it. The viewership for the show was below average if you look at it so the people who watch it are literal tasteless nerds who probably game all day and get hype off of everything. It’s like a societal way of bullying them. I support any kind of bullying, fans of CW shows and chronic gamers are perfect untapped market to bully.

[@batmanvsuperman_]

@@God-k5b Smallville came out before CW was invented.

[@God-k5b]

@@batmanvsuperman_ yeah it started the cheesy corny CW superhero thing. Of course a degenerate would find the top tier Oscar worthy performance. Remember superhero fanboys just get hype off their characters are on screen. They have very little sense of taste when it comes to cringe dialogue. You’re the type of dude that probably saw the flash as a good movie lol.

[@neffyboy]

Lois and Clark: the New Adventures of Superman is what got me into Superman. I will always have a soft spot for that show. I have enjoyed Smallville, Gotham, and Supergirl as well. On a side note: Did Degenerate Jay ever do a video about the Telltale Batman?

[@PatrickRockwell24]

In the early 2000s, my friend and I saw a Smallville billboard while driving. He told me the show was a Superman origin story. After feeling disappointed, I told him I'll wait to watch it once he puts the suit on. I didn't know it would take 9 more years before that happened so I never watched Smallville except for the last 10 minutes of the series finale.

[@mecharoy3659]

I hear ya. I said I wasn’t watching James Bond until I knew the story had been wrapped up, took me nearly 60 years!

[@Jason5818UI]

LOL your better off not watching at all just stick to Superman only material...Thats the point of the show it was showing Clark/Kal-El journey in life before he became superman

[@jasonbodden8816]

@@Jason5818UI Yip. People apparently never did their research on what the show was actually supposed to be lol.

[@Jason5818UI]

@@jasonbodden8816 yeah Alfred Gough and Miles Millar the creators had a slogan no tights and no flight lol...at that point in 2001 people were well familiar with Superman through..cartoons..live action and obviously comcis but Clark was the focus eventhough i did kind a get tired of him running everywhere and it was nice to see him fly in season 4 for that one episode

[@jasonbodden8816]

@ Yip. And in interviews Welling always said he didn’t want to don the suit.

[@jimjo8541]

Smallville really nailed some of the characters. Clark was perfect. Lex was the best we’ve ever seen. Yes better than Hackman, who played it well but too goofy when compared to the comics.

[@jeremiahperryman948]

In his defense the comics version of lex Luthor was much goofier and over the top in the late 70's whereas when Michael Rosenbaum's portrayal came out the version of lex Luthor in the comics at that time was a much more scary ,cold calculating villain!!!

[@bigdoubleu117]

WB can't manage a paper hat, let alone any franchise they own.

[@God-k5b]

Smallville got so bad towards the later seasons and looking back, it’s def a corny CW type show with cheesy dialogue. Same with Superman and Lois except it had better CGI etc but the corny factor is always problematic in these. I’m just glad Superman and Lois ended so I can feel the joy from the tears of grown men crying over it. The viewership for the show was below average if you look at it so the people who watch it are literal tasteless nerds who probably game all day and get hype off of everything. It’s like a societal way of bullying them. I support any kind of bullying, fans of CW shows and chronic gamers are perfect untapped market to bully.

[@bigdoubleu117]

@God-k5b I guess this is where relevance goes to die.

[@UnifiedEntity]

It had 10 whole seasons for a reason

[@charlesbomerschein9707]

Yes but let's not forget that it almost got cancelled during Season 7.

[@Imadeyoumadlol]

WB Discovery or whatever they want to be called now doing nothing to save Superman and Lois was such a sad move. Goes to show how much they cared. This is the second Superman version they ditched in recent history after Cavill and I'm supposed to expect them to stick with the new reboot now?

[@Adam88899]

Nobody ditched Hoechlin Superman they ended it properly Cavill’s Superman he was ruined and was ditched bc the DCEU was a mess.

[@SuperJmoney92]

​@@Adam88899because of studio interference

[@SuperJmoney92]

I share your sentiment as a long time superman fan, I am not excited about the new movie at all

[@mantraki]

There is also the fact that James Gunn was already in the process of making the film as an elseworld story, and because of that they couldn't use Cavill as superman, this doesn't mean that they can't use them, they can cast him as golden age superman or something like that​@@Adam88899

[@Adam88899]

@@SuperJmoney92 Facts That’s what happened they interfered

[@Cuban20]

I loved this show growing up

[@God-k5b]

Yeah growing up LOL. If I look back at it. It’s so corny, and I would never legitimately watch it again.

[@mattb6369]

I find it gets much respect from a great deal of folks outside of WB, dude when I'm on Google scrolling through Google-News links I'm almost ALWAYS seeing amateur "journalism"-wannabe sites like Screen Rants and CBR blogging about it and it's been over for over a dozen years. Nobody has forgotten Smallville and I certainly haven't, it's my favorite live-action DC and Warners show. Sadly Warners and DC just don't care about it.

[@michaeljordan9664]

People didn’t forget it but even scrolling through these comments on this video I’ve seen a ton of disrespect for it from armchair superhero experts 😅

[@THE247KOMBATKING]

Superman dont get lot love these day my favorite show is flash tv show

[@runisa]

I watched it during the pandemic and I still love it

[@TheSauceYouGetLostin]

Right now WB is thinking "You can Lead a horse to Milk but you can't make it fish" which I think is stupid. Putting all your money in a mattress seems like a good idea until the house burns down. Id throw another boat in the water to be safe. And a one off Smallville movie is a very safe bet.

[@floodgates182]

I had to give you a like just for the "you can lead a horse to milk" part.

[@God-k5b]

Smallville got so bad towards the later seasons and looking back, it’s def a corny CW type show with cheesy dialogue. Same with Superman and Lois except it had better CGI etc but the corny factor is always problematic in these. I’m just glad Superman and Lois ended so I can feel the joy from the tears of grown men crying over it. The viewership for the show was below average if you look at it so the people who watch it are literal tasteless nerds who probably game all day and get hype off of everything. It’s like a societal way of bullying them. I support any kind of bullying, fans of CW shows and chronic gamers are perfect untapped market to bully.

[@nickperkins8477]

Smallville is the first superhero TV series I ever saw that felt great. It was the first one that brought cinematic values in the superhero medium fully to television. Great scripts, mostly, especially from Season Three onward. Great character treatments. It’s so tremendous it’s essentially the launch pad for what became “The Arrowverse.”

[@Oz1manndias]

Favorite Live-Action DC Show? Superman and Lois.

[@andyowski5021]

Good thing it got cancelled for no reason and WB didn't care at all 😭

[@kalkella8822]

James Gunn is actually really good friends with Michael Rosenbaum so I doubt he would try to stop this. It's probably the suits.

[@dcworld4349]

I'm sure you are thinking who is this madman giving me this book, but this is a complicated issue that doesn't fit neatly into a tweet so I hope you'll indulge me. If not no hard feelings. At this point along with Safrin they are the studio heads. Unless there are some complicated contracts with other people. Given that it was spread across two networks and so on. In the sort of way Kevin Smith was not able to make Dogma 2 for decades because Weinstein owned the movie. If they have all the rights and don't have to share anyone. The only one who could stop Gunn from giving it the greenlight. Would be Zaslav the CEO. I don't know what Gunns position on doing this animated show is. But if I had to guess, if you see his most recent interviews. The guy has been absolutely swamped having to write and direct a superman movie, write peacemaker season 2 and direct some episodes. Write creature commandos, and give notes on the animatics. Not to mention he has to oversee all the other projects that they wanted to get going first. In which he's been firm that he won't greenlight an idea just because it might sound cool. He has to hear a pitch, if he likes the pitch then have them go off and write scripts. Show him the overarching story or the show bible if the plan on doing multiple seasons. Where he will then will go back and forth until he feels like they got something that is worth making. At this moment I think his focus is 100% on getting the DCU first up and running, and at the same time making sure Reeves has the support he needs for his Batman universe. Knowing that the first DCU movies are probably not going to be automatically 1 billion dollar movies. Its why he's going for the 150 million dollar budget as opposed to the 250 million. He has to prove over time that they can deliver on a consistent basis so that when a new DCU project comes out. People will flock to it the same way Iron Man was a strong start, yet the true momentum started to really build among mainstream audiences after Avengers. I think a Smallville animated show does have a chance of becoming a reality as long as it makes economic sense. If they could find a way to have an artstyle that looks good but doesn't cost more than 1 million dollars for each episode. Giving them a 13-16 episode first season to see if there is a real interest in the show. But I don't think it will happen until Gunn feels more secure in his position and he's not spinning as many plates as he is currently spinning. Personally if I got to run DC for a day from a pure selfish position that might be a bad business idea but I want to see it as a fan. Instead of making it for HBO Max. I would try to shop it around and see if Amazon might be interested seeing as they have Batman Caped Crusader. And then since Young Justice has done so well on Netflix I would ask them if they would want to continue making the show since they are all in on animated content and need more in the pipeline.

[@kalkella8822]

@@dcworld4349 There's too much to respond to, but I did read everything lol.

[@maxordman4100]

I agree with you that this series deserves a lot more respect and recognition. My favorite live action DC show is Arrow, especially because I really like big fight sequences and ninjas. However Smallvile is definitely a great show to look back on and they clearly understood the source material well and how to make Superman appear as a hopeful character. I like that the series is still available on Hulu. I hope more people will check it out in the future. I admire how you stand up for the people involved in these projects. Keep up the great work on your videos!

[@SonicStantz]

My main issues with Smallville range from critiques like the second half of the show had him basically being Superman in everything but name and costume which made the lack of those things outright stupid, and the fact that this is the first time they outright made Green Arrow like Batman instead of just using Batman and no I don’t give a damn what WB or Nolan think because Batman should have been in this show.

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

I felt the same way. As for my own critiques for Smallville. I didn't like how they dragged out the Lana storyline or how they treated Pete. I mean looked at Chloe. She got her dream job and ended the series with A billionaire. Who did Pete end up with ?

[@SonicStantz]

@@DarthDread-oh2ne They dragged Lana for so long that they literally ended it with Clark being physically unable to be near her. So stupid.

[@BYWhistory]

I remember when it aired being disappointed with the finale, mainly because obviously we all wanted to see Welling in the suit. But looking back all these years later, I don't have a problem with it. After a 10 year run like that you'd want to end on an iconic image and there's little Superman Imagery more iconic than the shirt rip. But the shirt rip would be less impactful if we've already seen him in the suit.

[@eskanda3434]

taking off the nostalgia Smallville was always meant to be Dawsons Creek starring Clark Kent it got slightly better as the show went on but it didnt really age well at all. The corny music, dated effects and basic plots and teen melodrama was just always forgettable

[@michaeljordan9664]

@@eskanda3434oh the same comment again. How original.

[@brandoneye8516]

I whole heartedly respect your opinion I however do 100 percent believe that James Gunn is the reason. He claims he wants to keep telling elseworld stories but every actjon and every thing others involved in these elseworld projexts say contrary that. I think Gunn is talking out of his butt to attempt to stay in good graces with the fans which I think is good but he isn’t following through with those promises. And whether or not you’re a fan of Gunn or not you can’t deny that a lot of fans don’t like him and he has caused more divide in the fandom than there already was

[@DegenerateJay]

Oh I agree a lot of people dislike him. I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan (I've liked some of his work like Suicide Squad 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy 1, but there's a lot he's been tied to that I find uninteresting or not my cup of tea. It's very hard for me to say whether or not it would be him and Saffran or not, Just because they still are doing things like The Batman's sequel. That said, I'll believe they want Elseworlds stories when they actually release them. Just greenlighting a second Batman to me doesn't really show that, but it's also odd to do if they're actually against it.

[@Truekingr6]

Pretty sure i saw superman 70s movie and then Smallville as a kid and made it my heaecanon that it was his backstory

[@alexandermccalla5098]

I’m not sure how they figured the show would eat into movie profits. If anything, having a weekly staple cut because of the fear of competition actually just motivates me to hate ignore the movie. It doesn’t help that DC projects have frequently been on the same tier as Sony non-Spider-Man marvel movies. I honestly feel that since the acquisition and cancellation of the animated universe, they’ve been going downhill

[@tylerreeves1211]

I love Smallville. I grew up watching it.

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

I thought the TV show Smallville was fine it’s just the way that they drag it on for a long time is really what hurt it in my honest opinion. For example most of the seasons like up to four where is basically focused on him in high school was an interesting twist but by the time does it goes into season five through nine he should’ve already been in the costume & embrace his destiny as the man of steel. And let us also not forget to that the costume was completely CGI every time they showed Tom Welling in the Superman suit. To be honest my favorite superman TV show was Lois and Clark the new adventures of Superman that they showed in the mid-90s with Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher.

[@christophermcbride2522]

I remember watching the season six premiere and thinking, "alright, this is the season he starts to become Superman." Then, it kept going. Now, I think back to a podcast episode from back in 2011. I don't remember if the whole episode was on TV superheroes, but two people in the group took a few minutes to talk about the show. One of them mentioned that you have to look at the show as an Elseworld story. Yeah, Clark is encountering his villains before becoming Superman, but it's them, and the heroes he's met, that strive him to be something more.

[@lucascofell4680]

Smallville reignited my passion for BTAS

[@koolkris7078]

I said it before on your videos about Smallville but it's a big part of my childhood and my love of comics in general. Smallville is my superman and if they have more stories to tell in this universe then I say let them go.

[@Jason5818UI]

WB too busy allegedly still trying to put focus on Batman....Smallville was a great show and still is ...the CGI well especially compared to the majority of these modern CW shows ...Tyler is a great Superman he took influence from pre-existing supermen ..but him being the best absolutely not..the show was great but i hated that ending Superman and lois is literally a combination of Smallville and Lois and Clark

[@Jamal-bl7yh]

Brother I Have a Similar Situation With Nick At Nite now I had a disdain for the block before but I suddenly remembered watching WKRP In Cincinnati, Barney Miller, Welcome Back Kotter and The Brady Kids on Nick at Nite so I did see a few reruns on the channel but with Nickelodeon treating the block like a Afterthought although Cable TV Is losing to streaming I feel that Nick at Nite Is more overlooked than say Adult Swim, Comedy Central, Freeform and even TBS and I will acknowledge It was their own doing after failing to make Quality original shows after The George Lopez Show practically raked In alot of Cash In 2007-2008 but Nickelodeon should've at least try harder with original programming or not a 30th Anniversary Documentary Film In 2015 and In July 2025 the block turns 40 years old In July 2025 I turn 35 years old so this block really got the shaft In later years which Is why Paramount Global kind pisses me off to a point sad just sad

[@JMan77]

Well it’s not Superman or Superboy. They didn’t want the tights so they disrespected Superman. I own the show for collector purposes but I’ve only watched a couple of episodes so I have never officially reviewed it. That wouldn’t be fair. I don’t need 10 years of red blue blur or whatever they called him. Superman and Lois also sucked. They should call it Man and Lois. There were like 2-3 ok episodes per season. I haven’t seen season 3 yet. I’ll watch it soon. Superman is my favourite character of all time. Good video! PS Batman 66 is my favourite superhero show of all time. After that Superboy and Wonder Woman

[@u59n]

Because ppl on Warner Brothers are not interested in Quality just Money

[@God-k5b]

Cry on LOL. As if money isint the reason why people make these.

[@JohnSmith-rm1po]

The first 6 seasons were so solid and cohesive... genuinely a great melodrama with supernatural elements. The back 4 seasons were also a perfectly serviceable cape show (even if, for some reason they didnt really follow on from the cohesive vision driving the first 6 seasons).

[@laudicea00]

I love Smallville, but hated de Clark and Lana melodramatic romance. And Lois Lane's disrespect on the show. If you're going to introduce her, don't make her a secondary character.

[@floodgates182]

Yeah, Clana just went on for too long. But the Lois and Clark banter I really enjoyed, and it helped Clark to become more assertive and confident.

[@stephenoliveau]

Lois and Clark was the first live action superman I enjoyed, and was my first exposure to most of his villains. I rewatched the highlights a year or so ago, it still holds up imo.

[@macewindu4442]

I grew up with Christopher Reeve Superman, and loved all the others since in different ways. If I had to pick my favourite for character and personality, it would be Tom Welling. Because his adventures took place in a more grounded and relatable World, it made his portrayal feel more 3 dimensional than the others. The writing was so good, that they made a Superman show work for 10 years without using his signature power of flight or his costume (one or 2 exceptions). They created new characters as popular and iconic as established ones (looking at you, Chloe xx).

[@sbirchysb]

I loved Smallville back in the day. I rewatched it recently. From seasons 1-5 it's a truly great show. The drop off during seasons 6-10 is massive. The last couple of seasons would be totally unwatchable if it wasn't for Welling and Durance's chemistry.

[@sbirchysb]

What they should have done is ended Smallville in 2005/2006, transitioned him into Superman and moved all the actors across to the film series instead of making Superman Returns.

[@nickynegron3515]

Smallville was the OG live-action superhero show in my opinion, and technically the reason i really got into any other supes past Spiderman and the X-Men. I loved the Tom Welling cameo in the Crisis event in the Arrowverse, but am I the only one who kind of wanted Luthor to see THAT version of himself there, too?

[@nickynegron3515]

And as for the question, my favorite live-action was Legends. I mean, I know it was campy for a lot of the run but you don't dance fight to the Thong Song and not be considered at the least a great moment.

[@RoosterMontgomery]

Ten seasons just to see the famous shirt rip but he's already fought all his major enemies.

[@nickhydier1201]

Smallville was the series that introduced myself at the time I had just turned 8 to the character of Superman, his lore and the whole of DC lore. As well as for many others my age including adults. It was actually the show my dad and I would watch together. Smallville paid homage to many other Superman iterations such as the Reeve films/Lois and Clark by having the likes as you stated Chris Reeve guest star as Dr. Virgil Swann, but also Annette O'Tuule, Terence Stamp, Margot Kidder, Marc McClure, Helen Slater, and Dean Cain/Teri Hatcher. Smallville certainly brought foth the Arrowverse by having some of it's core heroes from it as characters in the show already such as Green Arrow, Supergirl, the Flash although they called him Impulse, as well as Martian Manhunter, The Legion of Superheroes and Justice Society of America. Arrowverse even homaged Smallville in certain crossovers such as Elseworlds, by using the Smallville Kent Farm set and playing the theme song "Save Me" by Remy Zero. Also that several actors from Smallville guest starred throughout those shows. Zack Snyder praised Smallville right around the time of starting Man of Steel for being the series to keep Superman alive and that if it wasn't for the show, his kids would have no idea who Superman is. He even used a few actors who had guest starred in Smallville such as Amy Adams, Allessandro Julliani and Mackenzie Gray. Which was also great way of homaging Smallville. Even Cameron Cuffe star of Sci-Fi's Krypton was a big fan of Smallville, said that the whole modern DC media owes something to Smallville. Superman and Lois has payed tribute multiple times through the use of plot, characters and story elements inspired directly from it. So many more people, both young and older are still discovering the series and becoming fans of it. As many have said via the Talkville podcast with Michael and Tom. The series I'd certainly say still has so much love and respect.

[@lookinforthe70s]

Christopher Reeves, Dean Cain, and Tom Welling were my favorite live action portrayals of Superman. I want to spotlight here Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. Loved that show. That's the one that doesn't get as much attention or forgotten about. Along with Smallville, my two favorite Superman live action tv shows.

[@tarzanbonanno]

my favourite show period is Smallville! I rewatch it all the time and lost count at 40, I just finished a re-watch and will be starting it again in the New Year

[@christophermcbride2522]

I watched "Smallville" back when it originally aired. I was eleven years old when it prepared. I think by season six, I started to feel that it should end soon, but I kept watching it since I already invested so much time into it. When I had Hulu a few years ago, and I was getting tired of the Arrowverse, I went back and watched some season six episodes, mainly because that's when the show's version of Green Arrow premiered. It was so refreshing to see. I ended up buying the bluray set last month, and even though I have only watched two episodes from season nine, I want to hold on to it. It goes well with my "Gotham" bluray set, and I'd rather have them than every season of every Arrowverse show. I may buy "Superman and Lois" in the future. I cried so many times to some of those episodes.

[@lordcheesus1013]

Gotham goes to my favorite Live Action DC adaptation, hands down. That continuity has my favorite live action iterations of Riddler and Penguin outside of the Jim Carry's Riddler in Batman Forever. I SO wanted an actual Batman show set in the Gotham continuity. I heavily suggested recasting adult Bruce and Selina (The only two acting choices I didn't really like for Gotham) but everything else was pretty great. I don't understand WB's hesitation for more exposure for Batman and Superman in giving them their own live action TV shows. You'd think that'd encourage fans to go see their respective movies MORE, not less. Despite what they might think, not all DC comics fans are 5 years old. Most of us are educated enough to distinguish between varying continuities.

[@magazineretriever9036]

Many fans believed that Smallville “jumped the shark” at some point in Season 7, if not earlier. Worse yet, the Season 7 Finale would be Michael Rosenbaum’s final appearance until the Series Finale in Season 10. Lex Luthor was a pillar of the series, and he was gone, with the character Tess Mercer filling in for him, which changed the feel of the rest of the series. Like many fans, I believed that it took a ridiculous amount of time for Clark to fully become Superman.

[@lukeyznaga7627]

Supergirl was also a great show on the CW and later on Netflix. the first 4 seasons are great. The rest? ugh.

[@khatack]

Generation change happens in corporations too. The new people desperately want to prove that they are better than the old people, especially when it is crystal clear to everyone that they're not even close. The worse the new people are, the more they want to prove how much better they are than the actually talented old people. In corporations, shit floats to the top, sadly, which is why time rots them all out.

[@pdubyeah]

You just made yourself a new subscriber! 💯👊

[@DegenerateJay]

Appreciate you and I like your profile pic!

[@pdubyeah]

@ appreciate it brother. It’s Brandon Routh’s Superman suit.

[@SonicStantz]

Also, Clark waffled so damn much on actually being a crime fighter. How many episodes had him declare that he only wanted to live a normal life and refused his destiny? Much like with the Will they won’t they with Lana, it got old.

[@summageanthony]

I used to play Superman returns on the original xbox with the movie and Smallville soundtrack in the background! Good times.

[@charlesbomerschein9707]

Between Smallville and the DCAU, I fell in love with DC as a whole. Smallville wasn't perfect but the Arrowverse felt burnout after Batwoman Season 1 if not sooner. It's wild how really good shows get cancelled for the most ridiculous reasons.

[@Gandalf_the_Gold]

It is a shame when Superman gets brought up irl with my friends I always have to glaze him cause they like to compete fodder like homelander or omniman. They compare people to Superman based on super strength, flying and definitely if u ad in laser eyes. But it’s crazy to me when they compare these characters to Superman it always seems to me they think it’s Superman with actual character. And that’s where I’m just like I gotta blame dc for not portraying him correctly on screen really. I havnt seen smallville but I liked Henry cavil but they wanted to do a super Jesus Superman and it’s just not it. What is wrong with society when the main Superman we get is a evil one

[@jameshurley6513]

Smallville and the tv show angel were peak shows on the wb

[@warrengouldthorpe5091]

Smallville is a really good show about a young Clark Kent growing up to become superman and Superman and Lois is a really good show about an older Clark and Lois being parents, do kind of wish Superman and Lois had a few more seasons

[@ethandoyle4978]

Okay at this point ,the haters really need to stop hating just because they can. I’ve started watching Smallville & enjoyed most of the arrowverse content , and even I can see some of its flaws . That doesn’t mean I’m gonna start trashing all of it or the people that created it with a passion . I’m looking forward to what gunn done , but I’m still gonna have respect for everything that came before .

[@nickperkins8477]

The disrespect for Smallville extends, right now, to where it is streaming. Instead of bringing it home to Max, WBD licenses it to Disney for Hulu and Disney+.

[@Drifter1989]

I assume the noticeable downgrade in budget and marketing for Smallville after season 7 is because the show creators/showrunners Al Gough Miles Millar left the show. Doesn’t help that Michael Rosenbaum and Kristin Kreuk also left and they were the main characters right after Tom Welling as the star. Though Kristin leaving was probably for the best storywise since it allowed Erica Durance as Lois to be built up as the love interest.

[@mexdrago3009]

After Christopher Reevs movies small got me interested in Supeman again. I remember Lois and clark being good but smallville was on another level. I had hope for superman when Man of steel came out but why can't they follow through.

[@Drifter1989]

Michael Rosenbaum is actually longtime friends with James Gunn so the Smallville animated project can happen but I assume right now higher ups at WBD like Zaslav wants Gunn to focus on the DCU first and actually get a good reputation for DC before green lighting any Elseworlds projects. Matt Reeves’ The Batman continues because it came before the DCU and proved to be a success along with Penguin so there’s faith in that brand. As for Superman & Lois, the show is too expensive for Nexstar’s liking so that’s the main reason it got canned along with the rest of the CW catalog since Nexstar wants cheaper programming. S&L could continue elsewhere we also don’t the legalities since it’s originally a CW show so Nexstar and Paramount may have some rights to it so they’d have to be paid if WB decides to continue it on their own.

[@Dylanisa_BasketCase]

I loved the first 2 seasons of the Flash

[@greenlight45]

smallville was a great show. I could only say one thing to the cast. I'd say thank you all for all the great memories you truly brought these characters to life.

[@lukeyznaga7627]

yeah, I don't know about others, but I know a lot of true comic book fans and true DC superhero movie and show fans that STILL LOVE Smallville and Superman. [also christopher reeve movies ]. those shows WERE PIONEERS and wall breaking firsts that pushed the supehero DC world into the future it has now. Smallville was ground breaking. I mean, you got to see other DC superheros appear on that show. Later, came the fantastic cartoon Justice League Unlimited which was fantastic. Shame about Allison Mack becoming demon possessed in real life in personal life after Smallville. But other than that, SMALLVILLE AND superman are great.

[@chrisbomber101]

Was a good show, I was a teenager when it aired so was the right age for it, very 90210 with powers.

[@kevin10001]

The misconception I always here from people is that smallville was a Superman series when in reality it wasn’t it was a superboy series cause the creators stated in the Superman documentary Look, up in the sky! The amazing story of Superman from 2006 that was basically promotion for Superman returns that’s why it ends with Superman return the current Superman project at the time that they based the series off of the 1949 run of superboy comics which was before dc spun superboy off into his own character and the whole calling him the blur instead of superboy was probably a decision made due to the fact dc/Warner was already in the process of suing someone over the usage of the Superboy name when the show premiered so they probably didn’t want that to happen to them so superboy became the blur and I’m a Superman fan from childhood pre smallville the prospect of a new show was something but seeing basically be a typical wb/cw teen soap opera type show it turned me off and had me running back to the last actual Superman series Lois and Clark the new adventures of Superman that i actually site as to how u do a modern superhero show on television cause it balanced the more serious moments with the action moments so well it just to bad it only got 4 seasons on abc and was my Sunday night show and I have te physical releases of all 4 seasons

[@91MoonKnight]

This is why I currently hate the DC fandom right now. Instead of embracing DC the fandom is hating on what came before to put DCU's Gunnverse higher up. The Gunn fans are hating on Superman and Lois and now even Matt Reeves The Batman-verse and The Penguin.

[@Fonzflicks]

I'm not ashamed to say Smallville at one point was my favorite show on television. I used to like anything dealing with Superman back in the day. My favorite version is the animated series and Welling as Clark. I kind of lost interest when they did Superman Returns. I felt Routh was stealing Welling's role, but it ended up being bad movie, so he lucked out. Routh was not my favorite Superman, but I'm glad he got to play the part again in the Arrow Verse.

[@vinniethedeuce]

Smallville is one of my favorite all-time shows! We should all email WB to let them know we want the animated revival of Smallville.

[@angelasantos271]

Smallville and I feel nothing has reach the same potential, I thought flash would get there but after season one it just went downhill to me.

[@MarkGuerrero-cz9bh]

Smallville was the first DC thing i got to watch as it aired and from start to finish Was 5 when it first aired and watched every week with my dad

[@nylereilly2637]

Its always the corporate suits preventing art people actually want, but they're happy with continuing crap like Batwoman despite the fact no one liked that show. Smallville wasn't perfect in my eyes, but it's still great compared to a lot we get these days. It respects the characters and tells a well-meaning story without any agendas and preachy crap. It's just good fun.

[@patrickmcgavin2245]

I love Smallville. Are there some things wrong with the series? Yes! no show or movie is perfect. For the most part I enjoy Smallville. Wb has a habit, since Arrow not letting shows, use certain characters bc they were supposed to be in an upcoming movie. Wb was being petty and childish, bc they didn't want ppl to love the version, from the series more than the movie version. Sonny has done the same thing with Cobra Kai. Sony want another karate kid movie, but don't want to compete with Netflix's Cobra Kai.

[@PieterBooysen-l7k]

This is my Alltime Favorite tv series. Tom Welling will always be My Superman!! Even if he never really wore the suit. No 7min out of over 200+ Episodes does not count to me he still did not wear it. The last 7 min was more of an Epilogue to the series.

[@dynaguy3]

For years people looked down on Smallville and just saw it as the precursor to the Arrowverse. But now that Berlanti’s DC shows are over, Smallville was clearly better than all of those. It gave us the ultimate superhero origin story over 10 years. Other shows lost their stream and ran out of ideas after a couple seasons, but Smallville always had a clear endgame that allowed it to stay on track and develop the characters into their prime versions. Smallville was even more popular than the high budget theatrical film Superman Returns which angered fans for not using Smallville’s actors

[@PatrickRockwell24]

Your opinion speaks for humanity?

[@Dhruv-qw7jf]

I think you are forgetting the context with which people saw Smallville back in that time you're speaking of. Smallville ended in 2011, Arrow started the next year in 2012 and blew away everything that Smallville was doing in terms of both production quality and storytelling. Arrow S2 was even better than the first one in every regard. Then the year after that, The Flash S1 came out and it was widely considered to be the best piece of superhero media at the time, it also worked as a proof of concept that VFX heavy superhero media can work now, even on a CW TV budget. I think you're forgetting that 3 years of that high made people forget about Smallville but what people really shouldn't forget is that Smallville managed to keep its production quality and storytelling quality relatively consistent throughout its entire run, while the Arrowverse fell off really hard after the first 5-6 years. But it's also not really fair to compare these two because you also have to remember Smallville was only competing with itself, and the Arrowverse had to contend with a changing TV landscape as Network TV itself was becoming more and more obsolete competing with streaming services, and that also caused a consistent loss of viewership even in the good seasons, which resulted in budget cuts and so on. And I also feel like it's also disingenuous to say that Smallville gave us the ultimate superhero origin story, as I feel the show clearly peaked at S5 and was just tumbling around after that, and there were also a couple of dud seasons in between (personally I felt that S4 was also a dud but that's just me I guess), It became much more of an alternate Superman story than a Superman origin story, and it had the benefit of not being in the time where comic book fans on social media are rampant, and would've disowned this show if it came out today and because of that the ratings would have plummeted.

[@BULLETSCARER]

The way I look at Smallville is this, when it's great, it's awesome. But when it sucks, it's so bottom of the barrel, I wonder why I'm watching it *cough Season 4 cough*. Know what I mean? The show straight up doesn't get enough credit. Because when you sit back and think about it, Smallville essentially created the ArrowVerse which carried DC when their films was just, lacking is the best way to put it lol. I wanna read the Smallville Season 11 comics they got out there. Problem is finding them out there, and I'm honestly in the minority when I say Season 7 is my favorite season. I loved seeing Lex finally become a villain, seeing who he's gonna be in the future. I'd love to see the animated revival if it ever gets going lol. Like, idk what it is with WB and how they treat the character of Superman in general. So, it's like, with Smallville, idk. And what sucks as a sidenote, what bums me out with Superman and Lois, even James Gunn said he expected it to go for a few more seasons. So, that show getting cancelled, I don't think he had anything to do with it contrary to what a very certain fandom would love to believe. But I do agree with you, he said he thought it'd go on for a few more seasons, and he says he's committed to telling Elseworld's stories, but then he doesn't really try to help the show. So, that's weird. But I do find it weird how after he said he thinks it'd go on for a few more seasons, like, a couple weeks later it's revealed it was cancelled. That's why I don't think he had anything to do with the show ending. So, like, idk. My thinking is that with show not really being under DC but the WB and CW umbrella basically, Gunn had no say in what happened with it. I think of it like or similar to Joker 2. Gunn gave some notes, but otherwise, he had no say and that wasn't developed by DC Studios. I think there may have been a similar situation with Superman and Lois. Idk. That's just me speculating lol.

[@Enterthemind1]

The constant "trust me", caused me to stop trusting Smallville's writers.

[@popeye697]

I love Smallville, but this version of Clark is can never be in the best Superman conversation because he never actually became Superman until the finale.

[@ChristopherStClairII]

James Gunn had already proven himself to be a liar. He's lost the benefit of the doubt.

[@seangardner5420]

i loved smallville back in the day in fact i still watch it to this day that's how much i love it

[@michaelreeks8724]

I just want one more smallville season. Rosenbaum is THE best Lex that has ever been, and Tom's Clark/Kal-El is also brilliant.

[@Jamesalec63]

They've probably lost some along the way of who WB used to be. Like another film company that has decided to alter a well-known hero into a brand for them and take away that heroes origins and effectively rewrite a universe history of Spiderman. Similarly, the same has in WB with Superman and Lois. Smallville to series was great and set like good backstories to Clark Kent as a teenager and his development in both character and his heroic rise and alongside other leading characters in Clark Kent stories that gives us him to become Superman eventually. I was just wondering what about the two men behind the Superman stories and Stan Lee. I wonder what their views would be to how a corporation's of film and TV have tried to alter their characters out of all recognition. What would they say to them now? Smallville has the potential to work again in animation, and this could lead to further Superman animated series, and yes, there is one all ready but a new series based around Smallville and The Kents' origins set in the old west the origins of the first Kent to settle in Smallville and possibly Luthor family to. I have seen several things on the development of a story about the Kents involving time travel from Superman and an Elseworld sort of stories in animation. Arrowverse WB Smallville and Robot Chicken crossover.

[@AnthonySmith-bj9mo]

hi Jay

[@TheRevan1337]

It's a great show

[@crimsonstar4729]

Small I'll e is my favorite version of Clark Kent and Superman. I usually him Stupidman, but I like Smallville. Lex is awesome and I enjoy his friendship with Clark.

[@eskanda3434]

Smallville will always be Dawsons Creek starring Clark Kent it got slightly better as the show went on but it didnt really age well at all. The corny music, dated effects and basic plots and teen melodrama was just always forgettable

[@kevrulz06]

I LOVE Superman, but Smallville has a couple red flags for me. Growing up, I read a few comics, watched about every superhero animated show there was, but I never watched Smallville. You know who did? My younger sister! Never read a comic book in her life, but she liked Smallville so much that she got about four or five seasons of it on the box set DVD. So, that's red flag number 1. That automatically tells me it's more after school teen drama than superhero show like Superman and Lois. It's a show that took WAY too long to end. You know what was one of the best things to happen to Gotham? Ending at season 5. And not because it sucked. I rather liked most of it. Smallville is the poster child for business ruining art. A show about the "hero before the hero" is honestly a 3 season show, 4 if you stretch some things out MAX! There is a problem with a show that introduces the hero's entire rogues gallery, and in Smallville's case assembles the JL all before the main character ever really becomes the hero. Red flag 2. I mean, once it's all over and we're watching the finale, only THEN does the hero suit up for the first time?! But, you've fought your entire rogues gallery and already formed the super team! Why bother?! A show of this theme can only go so long before you're forced to start introducing too many characters. And if I'm being honest, it's hard to watch a show with the same level of horrendous special effects and CGI that Power Rangers had at the time. Sorry to disrespect. Not saying there aren't redeemable qualities about it, but business (like the no tights, no flights rule) ruined art.

[@ClashMasterStudios]

man they really miss out on Superman & Lois they could gain more Teen in Dc considering we are only into Manga and Anime

[@christopherlacher3544]

Welling was great!! I watch this series over and over cause it's so good!!

[@melvinfrooks]

Last time CW made a profit was when Smallville was on.

[@floodgates182]

I'd love to watch an animated Smallville continuation.

[@Goldnfoxx]

Yeah, I don't understand the execs at WB. But then, all of Hollywood right now has a proven track record of not having the first clue about aspirational heroes. I remember a few years ago, in an interview about Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy made a comment that the original trilogy of films came out during a time of innoence that just doesn't exist today, and once I heard that, it became super clear why not just Star Wars, but the DCEU, went the way it did. Snyder didn't get aspirational heroes, either. Say what you want about Bryan Singer, but even he had a better grasp on what Superman could be than anyone at WB/DC over the past twenty years, and even his take was tinged with cynicsm and downers. They just. don't. get it and have concluded that everything characters like Superman stands for is passé. Briefly in their defense, though, you have to ask whether or not these things make money for WB or not. When the Arrowverse imploded, there was a lot of sudden talk about how the endeavor had actually never been profitable for them (and yet...they continued in spite of that??...for a LONG time!). At the end of the day, it's almost certainly about money, and they don't know if the audience is actually there for something like an animated Smallville reunion. They may just be waiting to see how Gunn's movie goes and if the appetite for Superman as a character is still there.