The Smart Design behind AMD's X670E

[@nedegt1877]

This video is highly underrated. We need more of these type of video's. I think AMD is pretty much underrated too, at least for the mass. I mean if you look at the many innovations AMD brought to the x86 platform in the last 20 years is very impressive for a company with a smaller R&D budget. I'm happy Ryzen made AMD a much more respected company but technology wise, AMD has always been on another level. As for a SoC only boards, Yes please!! :) But for me it'll be more about SBC ( Small Board Computers ) so I hope AMD will make some "Next Gen Phoenix" APU's that are power efficient enough for some bad ass SBC's. Perhaps with 3D V Cache lol :D. I see a lot of new devices popping up from 2025 onwards.

[@HighYield]

I think innovation is also a function of necessity. AMD had to innovate in order to compete, otherwise they actually would have gone bankrupt. If you want to compete against Intel you basically have to innovate, at least if you want to produce your own products. Many ppl dont remember, but AMD started out by copying Intel CPUs. Then their clones became better than the original and then they started their own designs.

[@brodriguez11000]

@@HighYield I remember when AMD did bit-slice (2900) and memory as well (AM3101)

[@ministryoflies1344]

I've been using AMD boards and CPUs since the K6 days. I'll never change to Intel on principle.

[@nedegt1877]

@@ministryoflies1344 I went to the shop a long time ago to buy an Intel Pentium 90Mhz. But it was sold out. I didn't know AMD back then. But the AMD K5 100Mhz CPU was on stock for less $$. So I bought an AMD instead. I was sold, it was even faster than the Pentium in many cases and ever since I only bought AMD's. I only used intel because of my job. But personally, the last intel I spend money on was a 486 CPU lol.

[@ministryoflies1344]

@@nedegt1877 My very first build was a 486 DX4 Intel...around 1995. I ran it without a cooler until a few games came out that it struggled with. I had no spare cash to buy a heatsink and fan so used to put a half frozen can of lager on the chip to overclock it to 120MHz 🤣

[@ahmetdag1340]

Very professional and informative presentation! Thx to KZbin for bringing up your channel on my homepage.

[@philippbeckonert1678]

: To your question: I don't think many chipset-less mainboards are coming. It's a super niche use case even though it would make a ton of sense for small form factor builds. Most buyers will think, that they'll miss out when they buy a mb without a chipset. Much like most people don't need so many DIMM slots or m.2. slots. I would also like to see like, bare minimum mbs with like only two DIMM slots, one/two m.2. one PCIe. It would be great for low budget builds. One might think that it would make the other mbs more expensive though since less people would buy fully equipped boards and so the return of investment is shifted.

[@theminer49erz]

There is also a growing intrest/need for such a thing though. Those of us who have been building with Pis and UNOs for some time are ready for more power. It would allow for a lot of innovation in the "maker" world. Many of my projects need to have a central PC to work and Inuse Pis etc to relay the data. If the moduels could be stand alone, it would be an excellent opportunity to try new things. Currently most solutions are ARM based although these have been some good Ryzen based solutions as well coming out. I think they are getting noticed. It would be a good outlet for lower Bined chiplets. I would love to have APU power in an application I would normally use Pi for! It would also allow more power from the chip since it would have less distance to travel etc. For gaming, it would be nice to have a minimal board too as long as it was optimized for gaming. The issue with PC is that it is often all designed to do anything which makes it difficult to optimize for one specific applications. If a board was made just for gaming like a console imagine the performance we could squeeze out of a system!

[@HighYield]

You are right, it’s still very much a niche, but with ITX gaining traction, maybe bare-bones mainboards will also have a comeback?

[@philippbeckonert1678]

@@HighYield : Maybe some small manufacturer will give it a try since they are sometimes more flexible.

[@HighYield]

And they can risk more, because their reward upside is bigger. I would like so see a new company enter the mainboard market, not a lot has changed over the past decade.

[@philippbeckonert1678]

@@HighYield It might be difficult for a whole new manufacturer. Maybe a Chinese one. But yes, I agree. MBs from the big brands sometime have really strange layouts for mainstream consumers. But also mainstream consumers have strange ideas as to what they "need" in a mainboard that's why there is not a lot of change I think.

[@NickChapmanThe]

I didn't know about the re-purposed IO die!! Neat info and still enjoying the content. Thanks for posting!

[@AncientGameplays]

Great video and good explanations. Big Hug!

[@HighYield]

Thank you so much. I've watched your videos for a long time now, crazy to see you comment!

[@AncientGameplays]

@@HighYield haha, thank you. It was very interesting and definitely the right call from AMD as they cut production costs and get things easier to produce as well, its a win win as soon as the microcode gets stable too. Also, motherboards can finally send those fans to hell as the chipsets will consume less power and produce less heat

[@otbricki]

Excellent informative details of X670 chipset design. Helped solidify my upcomming system purchase decision. Subscribed,

[@ChrisBeardSAP]

First time I've watched one of your videos. This was excellent- I was hanging on your every word.

[@HighYield]

Thanks you so much for your kind words!

[@theminer49erz]

Very thorough. If I knew nothing I would know everything and even knowing a lot about it, I still learned a good bit. I agree I would like to to have no chipset PCBs too especially for small projects

[@HighYield]

Maybe even a bit too “thorough” I take half the video to finally get to the topic of it, but I felt like it ;)

[@theminer49erz]

@@HighYield I like that, you have timestamps if people want to skip, but many others tend to assume a lot of up to day knowledge by the viewer. I cam often get out of sync with hardware inbetween builds. I have missed hugest steps in evolution and although Inhave been building for almost 30 years, I can still find myself saying "what?". Someone who has been out of it longer or is new, could really use the frame of reference and detailed description. It also helps prove your opinions are coming from a place of understanding and not just regurgitating specs and keynote bullet points like some. I liked it!

[@HighYield]

Short videos can do without time-stamps, but every time I watch a really long video without chapters, it hurts my soul ;)

[@gmontie2010]

I like the idea of multiple I/O options as I use several instruments connected to my Computer to help me design, and debug circuits with there associated firmware implementations.

[@HighYield]

If you do debugging work, more I/O is always really helpful. Very different from a setup just used for gaming.

[@crazyelf1]

Great video. You've earned a sub. I can see the advantage of using chiplets on chipsets. I wonder if more of the chipset function should be moved into the CPU package though as a separate Chiplet from the IO due?

[@HighYield]

I would like more I/O to be in the SoC part of upcoming CPUs so I dont need a chipset on my mainboard, but I think since not everyone needs the same amount of I/O, putting too much into the CPU itself could be bad from a economic point of view.

[@crazyelf1]

@@HighYield Possibly. Personally right now I do have a 5950x, and I could see the higher end IO option with many IO dies working quite well on a higher end desktop CPU, especially now that AMD may be giving up on higher end desktop Threadrippers. There doesn't seem to be a plan for a TRX based Zen 4 Threadripper with 3d Cache.

[@RobBCactive]

The largest problem would be everything having to be packed into the area the GPU & NVME M.2 have to be. The APU market would need 1 NVME M.2, perhaps a single expansion slot so there'd be room for the other controllers close to the APU.

[@TheEnabler-WXR]

I am really enjoying this video. If I could give a simple advise tho is to use a wider camera so we could your hands and movement. It feels a lil bit too... static. BUT I really enjoyed all the info, it was layered perfectly. To me at least :x

[@HighYield]

The problem is that I don’t have a dedicated setup, which means I place the camera on my desk and because I need to be close to the mic, that’s the shot I get. But I’m moving within the next month or so and then I want to change my setup!

[@TheEnabler-WXR]

@@HighYield Well I look forward to your future videos , I love stuff like this :x. Good luck man :D

[@JoshVennix]

AMD's innovation in recent years is impressive. This is beneficial to everyone, including the consumer.

[@t0mn8r35]

Good presentation. I will be going for the X670, not the X670E.

[@HighYield]

X670 has all of the I/O most users need, I feel like X670E will only make sense if you want a fully PCIe 5.0 based system.

[@ronosmo]

I am going to get a 670 extreme motherboard as i expect it to last for at least a few generations of AMD cpus, plus support all the pcie5 add ons we might find in that time period.

[@HighYield]

A full PCIe 5.0 system (M.2 + GPU) would be amazing to have, especially if DirectStorage will be implemented into a lot of future games. Lets see how many generations a X670E mainboard will support this time, I think less than a X370 which goes from Zen (1) all the way to Zen 3D.

[@ChrisM541]

@@HighYield Being able to go from Zen1 to Zen3D is stunning. Factor in the relentless 'new motherboard' requirement for Intel, and this becomes waaay beyond stunning. But, that was competition-driven, and with how well AMD are now doing, I don't see any more than 2 full Zen generations (excluding refreshes/3D variants) this time - still, that would be excellent too.

[@RobBCactive]

@@HighYield DirectStorage was reportedly still using CPU decompression rather than streaming it directly to VRAM and decompressing on GPU in April this year. The CPU decompression was bottlenecking the fast NVME drives in past tests, so even PCIE4 wasn't benefitting game load times. The CPU decompression has become very evident with the Spiderman port from Sony that streams in data. Was looking at an upgrade to a fast NVME drive, but not finding evidence that it's worthwhile.

[@RobBCactive]

The new platform looks good, it appears a sensible compromise to lower platform costs while allowing cost effective premium features for those who need them. Honestly my AM4 box is still over kill for my needs, I hope to use the system for many more years. Intel having larger market share favour custom solutions and annoying segmentation. I'd be surprised if they rush into modular chip sets quickly.

[@HighYield]

I’m also trying to stick with my AM4 system until at least Zen 5, but in like new tech do it will be hard… Intel often takes its time , and you are right, they are more segmented. But maybe AMD can push them, like we have seen for example with memory OC on non Z-boards.

[@barrycooper8640]

I love my x570 but I've always wanted to use at least 4 nvme drives without it taking bandwidth from my Gpu slots. I don't want to use sad and had anymore.

[@RobBCactive]

@@barrycooper8640 I checked and both consumer Zen4 and Intel 12th have 28 PCIE lanes of which 24 and 16 respectively can be PCIE5. Sounds like you need an HEDT system to gain more

[@AvgDan]

I want a gen5 m.2 and x16 GPU, 3+ gen4 m.2, 6+ SATA, a generous amount of USB 2 & 3 ports, and either two USB 4 40gbps ports or expansion slot with enough lanes to support an add-on card to add 2x USB 4 40gbps ports. I'd want it to be less than $250 as well. This would hold me over till next socket.

[@HighYield]

I think I have already seen some mainboards with these specs, but I'm not sure your price target will suffice ;)

[@roshawn1111]

@@HighYield he dreaming with that price lol

[@bambinone]

Amazing. I've been waiting for a video like this since the first X670 rumors. Thank you, and you have a new subscriber! If I had to pick a nit it would be to say that server motherboards almost certainly won't be adopting multiple chipsets as you've hypothesized-most EPYC motherboards, for example, don't include any chipset whatsoever, and I don't think there's any impetus for that to change. As an I/O nerd (who can't afford Threadripper Pro) I had really hoped AMD would adopt a PCIe Gen4 x8 or Gen5 x4 chipset link for X670-for throughput reasons, and to compete with Intel's DMI 4.0-and that they wouldn't daisy-chain the two chipsets-for latency reasons. So at least at first glance it looks like I'll be waiting for X770E to upgrade my main workstation. I'm still hopeful that one of the major motherboard manufacturers will produce some boards that utilize the dedicated USB4 controller lanes for the second chipset, providing Gen4 x8 bandwidth in aggregate between the two chipsets at the expense of some USB4 performance. Fingers crossed! Regarding whether I would be interested in a desktop platform without any chipset whatever... yes! I'm fascinated by X300 and would happily watch a multi-part series on the history and design of the "Matisse" I/O die and X570 chipset. I recently pieced it together that the reason there are two independent SATA controllers on X570 systems-and the reason that the primary M.2 slot in an X570 board often accepts an M.2 SATA SSD-is that there's a friggin' SATA controller BUILT INTO the processor. Wild!

[@HighYield]

Its crazy how far I/O has come over the past years and how much of it fits in a modern CPU. Everyone knows that modern processors are always SoCs, but most ppl dont fully understand how much connectivity they already supply.

[@annebokma4637]

An AMD server has at least 128 PCIe lanes, it doesn't use a chipset at all. It won't start using multiple chipsets to use as a beefed up PCIe switch.

[@HighYield]

You are right, as others already pointed out. And it doesnt really make sense to create a chipset that could be integrated into an I/O die on a server CPU. So the scaling would only working for consumer products (mainstream to HEDT).

[@SlavomirDanas]

Excellent explanation! Thank you for the efforts!

[@HighYield]

Thanks for watching :)

[@mrfarts5176]

Amd is slapping like a hotdog to the bum.

[@davidjones5059]

i'd like to have more PCIe slots, not need gen 5 but for example: 1x gen 5x16, 1x gen 4x16, 2x gen 4x8 if i need to connect GPU and 25 Gbps NIC and also 32 Gbps Fibre Channel HBA and leave 1 more slot just in case

[@HighYield]

Yeah, for high-speed connections more PCI-E slots are always important. Do you actually connect a 32Gbps Fibre Channel directly to your PC?

[@Quast]

Do you have an oversight why we still seem to need a Promontory 21 for 870/E USB4 connectivity. If the last 8000G CPUs already have a 2xUSB4 40Gbps support? Can't we use the advantages or differences in design of the mobile based Phoenix for Desktop? Is there a difference how the PCIe lanes are used on Mobile and Desktop platforms?

[@humbleeagle1736]

You should consider a video on what it would take to move one of those chipsets into the CPU package. Would AMD have radically change the motherboard layout to make it possible? Or is AMD stuck with the current motherboard layout? Personally, most buyers would want 16x 5.0 PCIE for the GPU, 4x 5.0 PCIE for a SSD and ethernet from the CPU for the minimum spec until the older platforms are phased out. The other IO can share the PCIE with the SSD.

[@HighYield]

Lets see if we get some more infos about Promontory 21, e.g. transistor count and the process node its produced in. I think it would definitely be possible, the question is, if its a economic choice?

[@DeathEnducer]

This is all i want. Hopefully they have B650E

[@RobBCactive]

Reading Angstromics article about AMD 600 series boards it already happened, the motherboards chipsets are just PCIE hubs with controllers attached. As higher speed PCIE requires tighter constraints on signal length, physical space forces use of hubs. The daisy chain dual chipset allows distribution of controllers. In consumer, i/o except GPU & NVME is hanging off the same 4 lanes as other devices are rarely in use simultaneously and it avoids HEDT/server manufacturing costs.

[@atavusable]

This is interesting : so the chips serve as switch/bridges to reduce the pci express lenght on the motherboard as well as io hub.

[@HighYield]

I haven seen the exact layout of the Promontory 21 chips yet, but the closer the chipset is to the actual I/O port (be it PCI-E slot or something else), the easier it is to design a clean signal path. And with two chipsets on one mainboard, pathing should be more straigh forward. The "switch" part is speculation on my side, but that's how I would try to implement it.

[@squelchedotter]

I have found this video very engaging

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Thanks for making this well done video.

[@jackroach5583]

I can see SOC being great on ITX/SFF builds

[@HighYield]

Yes, especially since you cant even place all the I/O on an ITX board. Theres only one PCIe slot, and you dont need more than two M.2 slots imho.

[@jackroach5583]

@@HighYield it would be great! the amount of space that would be saved on the motherboard. Hopefully will lead to some interesting ITX designs

[@ChrisM541]

Fantastic overview, thank you.

[@HighYield]

Glad it was helpful & thanks for watching :)

[@davidszep3488]

I was thinking this about 1-2 years ago. Why dont AMD make itx boards without chipset? The entire cpu contains everything for usb/sata etc. With the upcoming X670E you will have 3 chipset with rdna 2 igp, it would be so cool if you could use these igp-s for something...

[@HighYield]

I think the OEMs dont like the ideas, since those boards would have less features and thus a lower price. They want to sell you as much as possible.

[@heinzbongwasser2715]

very good overview thanks bro

[@NamitKewat]

Good explanation 👍 This video also made me to subscribe

[@HighYield]

Thank you for such a nice comment!

[@FoxyCAMTV]

I want a motherboard with 1 nvme,1 pcie x16,6 usb in back and 3 in front.Thats it.Can a cpu handle it?

[@HighYield]

Yes, the Zen 4 I/O should be able to handle it, even with two USB4 ports.

[@marvin3898]

Epyc Servers today are already SoC only. No need for up to 10 chipset chiplets.

[@HighYield]

You are completely right! Servers already offer a ton of PCIe lanes for I/O and they need to be able to use them at high speeds simultaneously, so a chipset would be kinda useless, since it expands I/O above the actual available CPU connectivity. In my mind these chiplet chipsets could be used as chips on a modular chiplet based server, but then the actual I/O die also needs to include the memory controller and fabric to connect to the CPU chiplets, so this idea might be dead in the water. Still, scaling from entry to workstation should be possible.

[@cf-xf6ku]

Looking forward for a new system with AMD am5 sins my old one is really old Intel Devils canyon lol btw thx for a great vid.

[@__--JY-Moe--__]

helpful video thanks!

[@TAP7a]

Never knew that the X570 chipset was just a Zen 2 IO die. That’s genuinely extremely cool, unlike the chip temperature

[@HighYield]

Yeah, its a really interesting fact and in part due to AMDs lack of funds back then. They needed to be inventive.

[@philippbeckonert1678]

: So north and south bridge are back again since one chip is higher than the other :D Nice.

[@louisfriend9323]

the higher X670 one is basically double the B650 one, daisy-chained together.

[@HighYield]

I think I have seen a board where both chips were side by side, but it wouldn’t go so well with my introduction ;)

[@jtd8719]

I like SFF builds and my last 2 PCs (Intel i5-7500 and AMD R5-5800) were built on the mITX form factor, so I'm not a fan of segmentation of features purely based on chipset if those features can be otherwise physically implemented within the mITX form factor with all the lanes available from the SOC. For mATX, ATX and larger, the segmentation makes more sense due to the physical length of traces required.

[@mrfarts5176]

Amd is slapping like a hotdog to the bum.

[@HighYield]

My current setup is also a SFF build (in the Cougar CBX), although I will like move to a slightly bigger base for cooling and to support large GPUs. I dont think you need to be afraid of missing out since even the SoC inside a Zen 4 CPU would be plenty to supply a ITX mainboard with a x16 PCIe 5.0 slot for the GPU, a 4x PCIe 5.0 slot for M.2 (or even two) and a lot of USB. With the addition of a B650(E) chipset, a second M.2 slot and USB4 should be possible. Not much more space on an ITX board imho.

[@mrfarts5176]

@@HighYield sff is slapping raw...

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

have owned my r5-5600x for 2 years soon and I have no plan to upgrade my mb-cpu-ram and will get those new GPUs that will realise this year

[@HighYield]

My main system is still running a 3600 (even tho I'm upgrading to a 5800X3D soon), a 5600X will be more than enough for the next couple of years, no question.

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

@@HighYield well I think I may go for 5800x3d 2 years later if I need a upgrade or I will upgrade whole system

[@crithylum9846]

I would personally be hesitant to buy a new gen 4 graphics mobo, in case AMD pulls a 6500xt again to knock 50 cents off the production cost

[@RobBCactive]

I would not, PCIE4 only became available with Zen2, Intel only recently supported it and if you care about PCIE5 already you aren't in the market for lower tier value GPUs with cost compromises to x8 lanes. Future proofing is always suspect, replacing the mobo if necessary to take advantage of Zen6 features in 4 years when GPUs use PCIE5 bandwidth is better, alternatively buy a x16 PCIE4 GPU

[@opinali]

@@RobBCactive I agree about low-end GPUs, but on the other hand if you're planning to invest in a high-end next gen GPU, I would also want PCIe5 since these GPUs are very likely to be limited at least a bit on PCIe4 even with 16 lanes. Simple math: the 6500XT runs almost 2X faster in some games (e.g. Doom Eternal; see HUB benchmark) with PCIe4x8 compared to PCIE3x8. This shows that the 6500XT can use all the bandwidth of PCIe4x4. But even in the current generation, there are GPUs that are 4X faster than the 6500XT (the top 69xx/3090), which means that those are at least in principle capable of soaking all the bandwidth of PCIe4x16. I say in principle because these high-end CPUs have much bigger VRAM, but if we have another generational jump on game asset size/quality (think Unreal 5's Nanite) then you're need too much VRAM to avoid bottlenecking on PCIe4. And VRAM is only getting more expensive so nobody should expect the next-gen GPUs to have any extra VRAM at each SKU level compared to current gen. In short, you totally need PCIe5 so your 7800XT or RTX4080 with 16GB VRAM will not be limited by PCI bandwidth when running upcoming games that bring another generational jump in graphics fidelity.

[@RobBCactive]

@@opinaliGPUs are already handling 4k, so this idea looks like FUD. As I understand leaks Intel boards allow PCIE5 for GPU not M2. That means you cannot stream in data over PCIE5, so you're looking at only GPU/RAM transfers which implies copying and processing i/o data or paging of VRAM, which I believe more than negates the transfer speed gain. PCIE3x16 hasn't really been an issue yet, only Zen2 & Zen3 users had PCIE4 until Intel's short lived 11th gen made it a feature. I cannot remember any of the comparison reviews warning about 10th gen performance limitation, in fact the opposite after Intel cut prices on i5. Think if RDNA3 that is expected to double 6900xt performance required more than PCIE4 then PCIE5 would have to be on both AMD boards and GPUs this year. The Intel socket is dead after Raptor Lake, no future proofing option. Looking at HUBs RX6500xt benchmarks showing PCIE3x8 performance reduction at higher resolution it was

[@opinali]

@@RobBCactive "PCIe3x16 not an issue", you would be right 95% of the time. But you can find tests showing that the 6600XT (x8) is significantly faster on PCIe4, and one from LTT showing that an RTX 3090 (x16) is 30% ahead on PCIe4 in CSGO. That's just one game but they only tested a handful there; nobody has done a HUB-style 50 game bench of PCIe3 vs. PCIe4. GN tested a dozen games but with a 3080. Given the scarcity of these tests, maybe CSGO is not such a rare scenario. And even if it is, it's good evidence that many other games are close enough of bottlenecking PCIe3x16 that new GPUs that are 2.5X faster but with same VRAM size could push above PCIe4x16. Both AMD and NVidia's next GPUs are rumored to be ~2X faster in raster but more than that for raytracing; so worst-case scenario of say a 4090 with 16GB, running a RT-heavy title at 4K and high settings, I can easily see PCIe5 having a decent advantage over PCIe4x16, without needing "FUD" about future games that might be much heavier. Some ADL boards support PCIe5 M.2, but if you use that they cut the primary (GPU's) 5x16 slot to x8, and the secondary 5x16 slot to zero. PCIe5x8 is still enough for current GPUs at least if the chipset can map 5x8 to 4x16, since current GPUs can't handle any PCIe5 lanes; motherboard manuals don't have that kind of detail and I don't have an ADL system to test myself. Not a big problem yet because PCIe5 NVMe SSDs are still not available last time I checked but some brands have demoed it and they should be on newegg by the time that Zen4 and RKL ship. And it will totally be worth it in particular with full impl of DirectStorage on Windows, which is also coming in this generation, AMD in particular confirmed that their next hardware will have all the tricks for DS. Totally agree that we need to wait for the first benchmarks, but the first round of launch-day benchs will not tell the whole story, for one thing it may be some time until we have any PC games updated to take advantage of DirectStorage. Perhaps that's easy for Xbox-to-PC ports, or AMD may work with some partners to have a couple launch-day games updated to showcase all good stuff in X670E/Zen4/RDNA3. Make Deathloop load levels much faster and I'm sold on the whole platform.

[@RobBCactive]

@@opinali you don't need a big rig for CS:GO, any PCIE4x16 will handle it great with Zero/4 AM4/5. This is real FUD you're stirring up, pro E-sports ppl can use display scaling and lower settings to obtain incredible frame times even on older machines never mind what's coming soon. The alternative won't be better, a PCIE5 GPU connection still has to be fed so it'll have a bottle neck elsewhere. Nvidia Rebar support and Direct IO were a box ticking exercise. I've seen plenty of ultra high fps tests and they simply become meaningless. The performance of AM5 and Intel's competition will soon become clear, using PCIE4X16 for the GPU is NOT going to be a problem.

[@selentatsukienjoyer]

55nm for b550?

[@SuperFlamethrower]

Also I thought it's called "chip set" because of the two different chips. Even though today there's only one people still call it that.

[@HighYield]

THB, it never really crossed my mind, but if you read "chipset" as "set of chips" it actually does make sense!

[@oussamabaccara4637]

plz the brand of your cam???

[@HighYield]

Sony ZV-1 👍

[@oussamabaccara4637]

@@HighYield thank you, too expensive hh

[@HighYield]

Yes, its not really cheap, but compared to the $1k+ cams out there it does deliver great quality. Honestly, for KZbin sound quality is more important, I did the first few videos on a 720p webcam.

[@oussamabaccara4637]

@@HighYield i like more the vdo quality there, need a best mic for sound :p

[@HighYield]

I'm using a 60€ Samson Q2U which is good for its price, but it picks up too many mouth sounds and I still have get learn how to properly process and optimize audio.

[@johnclark9719]

Bit late but I have an asrock steel legend b450m which is a pcie g3 out of the box but I have the latest bios 4.30 on it which makes run at pcie g4 I have a 3800x and a rx 5600xt which only runs at pcie x 8 though and not the full x 16 I don't think it has the traces to do the full x 16

[@HighYield]

Are you sure BIOS 4.30 really enables PCIe 4.0 on your board? Or are you maybe getting this from CPU-Z who (correctly) reads that your CPU provides PCIe 4.0 but incorrectly states that the board also runs on gen4?

[@johnclark9719]

@@HighYield Yeah after a bit of googling I think you could be right there HWiNFO is telling me the card is PCIe v4.0 x16 (16.0 GT/s) @ x16 (8.0 GT/s)

[@HighYield]

I knew it! The same happened to me a while back, CPU-Z showed PCIe 4.0 and I was like "cool", then I goggled it and well, sadly it wasnt true...

[@Decki777]

I didn't see any 2 dimm AM5 boards 2 dimm motherboard is better than 4 dimm motherboard when it's comes to stable memory overclocking

[@HighYield]

Yeah, so far I havent seen a 2 DIMM AM5 board either. I think someone did ask the same question during AMDs "Meet the experts" AM5 mainboard event last week and ASUS didnt say if they are planning a "Apex" like product for AM5. Especially with high-speed DDR5 it could be useful. Another "option" could be a ITX mainboard, as those usually only come with 2 DIMMS.

[@carlosemiralonso7997]

Now we could talk about something as important: pcie 3.0 vs pcie 4.0 on paper would be day and night, but on reality a gpu (on this example) would not have much technology to make that diference apparently. So a gpu of pcie 4 is not so limited on a pcie 3, but a pcie 3 gpu on a pcie 4 go smoothly Well what about pcie 4 vs pcie 5? PD/Edit: in base of this is what I would buy or not a brand new mobo.

[@HighYield]

It wont matter for GPU performance. Just like you said, PCIe 3.0 to 4.0 doesnt really improve GPU performance, even at 4K using a 3090 Ti the gain is below 5% and it will be the same, or even less, going to PCIe 5.0. But where it could really help is when games start to use Microsofts DirectStorage. This will allow the GPU to directly access a M.2 SSD, without bothering the CPU on the way and could really cut down loading times and improve streaming.

[@carlosemiralonso7997]

@@HighYield Thanks for the info !

[@greenman8]

Why is looking at chipset, on a laptop, not as important as, looking at the chipset used on a regular PC build?

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

I’m be no means an expert, But I cannot see how having chiplets in all these different parts is not causing latency. The CPU, GPU and board chipset will all be chiplet designs. To me it seems like there has to be latency somewhere. It took Zen 3 for them to really figure out the Infinity fabric. This is all very interesting and I love what AMD is doing but I definitely have to see how this plays out. That sucks and it’s taking all my self-control because I usually buy every new GEN lmao. Seems like i might be just swapping out my GPU this go around.

[@HighYield]

Latency is only really an issue in latency dependent chips, like CPUs and GPUs. For a chipset, who supplies more USB, SATA and PCIe lanes, a little more latency doenst really have a big impact.

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

@@HighYield i understand, I was just thinking when your gaming SSD is running through the chipset lanes. On a whole if you have a full AMD system i just thought all the latency would have to add up at some point lol

This is a super great and informative video! Thank you very much! You've earned a sub from me, too ;-)

[@HighYield]

Thanks for watching and leaving such a nice comment!

[@amigatommy7]

Have a 3850x system. Going to skip the better price on a 5950x and go 7000 by the end of the year.

[@LordBattleSmurf]

Wait for Zen 4 with 3d vcache it will be available in January and MUCH better for gaming (15-20% in some games). A 7950x3d would last like 10 years

[@superskrub4209]

Chipset-free, and an PCIe 4/5 x8 wired GPU slot if it lowers costs. Tests already show 4 ×16 makes no difference

[@MK-xc9to]

Threadripper Pro supports 128 PCIe 4.0 lanes over the CPU , an chipset which is rather an I/O Hub is not really needed , Server often have no chipset but TR Pro is High End and the Motherboard has to offer much I/O . I could live with no Chipset if i would get more PCIe CPU Lanes , 20 / 24 Lanes in Mainstream is not enough for my needs .

[@HighYield]

You are right, servers usually dont have a chipset and Threadripper already supplies more than enough PCIe lanes for most users, still I'm sure there are some power users who could always do with more. How many lanes do you need for your setup and what are you connecting with it?

[@MK-xc9to]

@@HighYield I use 8 Lanes for a QSFP+ card , 40 Gbit Ethernet direct to NAS , second port to my 10 Gbit Ethernet Switch , 8 Lanes to the GPU , 4 Lanes to the first NVME ( CPU ) 4 Lanes to the second NVME ( Chipset) and a 3 rd NVME on a PCIe Adapter card ( Chipset ) with an B550 Board and an 3900X 12 Core You can buy 40 GBit Dual port cards really cheap currently , i payed 30 Dollar + 15 Dollar for an PCIe Adapter because HP has its own LOM Format which is PCIe but not compatible to normal . Not that i currently need 40 GBit with the HDDs in the NAS but at some point in Time i will change to SSDs and then 40 Gbit will make sense

[@HighYield]

WIth a setup like this, a lot of PCIe I/O makes sense. I dont even use any NAS, all I have connected externally is a Xbox game pad and a USB mic for my videos. Completely different requirements.

[@shanent5793]

Lower speed isn't a reason to use a larger process. PCIe 5.0 has to switch at least 16GHz, much faster than any CPU core. Why do you call them "chiplets"? There's one chip on each substrate. Would you say a multi Xeon system is made of chiplets? Why would a PCIe 5.0 slot support storage at 5.0 speed but graphics at only 4.0? (Assuming a PCIe 5.0 graphics card is available.) PCI doesn't distinguish between the different applications.

[@HighYield]

You are right, they are not actual "chiplets" like AMD has been using since Zen 2, but its a MCM chipset and its the same idea: build a single one and combine them. The part where some boards support PCIe 5.0 for storage but not PEG is not because it wouldnt work, but because of market segmentation. They want you to buy higher end boards. Oh, and chipsets use older trailing edge nodes for economic reasons.

[@shanent5793]

@@HighYield Every manufacturing decision is economic, chipsets use older process nodes because they have more predictable analog parameters. Purely digital CPU cores are more tolerant of such variance. By MCM, do you mean multi chip motherboard? Most MCMs have heterogenous dice. The PCI SIG should protect their trademark if these boards are not conforming, the slots must not make any distinction between the different types of peripherals according to their own specs.

[@theoneyoudontsee8315]

laptops in the ryzen 4000s and newer already run on just soc chipset however it seams they have problem with software and things like windows 11!

[@HighYield]

Yes, laptops are heavy on SoC only, because of power, heat and space constraints. But I havent heard about software issues so far, tho I'm not a big laptop guy myself.

[@Lgraddd]

I want a ton of IO. Helps keep cost of multiple M2 arrays…down

[@HighYield]

If you are someone who needs a lot of M.2 slots, then ofc more I/O is always better!

[@VincentDangerWater]

I feel like 4x pcie to the chipset is more miserly than we need to be.

[@5poolcatrush]

0:36 I'ts more like middle bridge and south-east bridge. Still unclear where "north" and "south" names came from.

[@HighYield]

For sure, the X670(E) isnt spread out over the motherboard like in north- and south-bridge in the old times.

[@5poolcatrush]

@@HighYield oh man i didn't expect the answer, it was more like a nerd joke for noone I've meant that old board, positions projecting to map, north bridge is more like in the center of the board rather than north, equatorial, and south one is placed equally towards south and east of the map/board thanks for the videos though, i rarely open something new, but it is surprisingly good finding, was watching Zen4 strategy one when saw a notification

[@HighYield]

Reading it a second time, it becomes apparent that your comment was only semi-serious... its almost 1am here in Germany and maybe I should sleep rather than working on my Apple A16 video ;)

[@andrewszombie]

theyre doing that bc fans on b550 motherboards got criticized 😂😂😂

[@HighYield]

Yeah, a lot of ppl hated the fans on previous motherboards, even if they never turned on. It's a deterrent and they have learned.

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

I can understand people will buy cheap MB but why PSU, my 240USD PSU are from 2011 and almost 12 years old and will keep it another 5 years idk how some people goes for low end PSUs when they have like 10 years of warrenty and even more life spin than that. when I move to ddr5 I will not get anything lower than 6400Mhz well no we can get highest as 6600Mhz 38Cl what I found but does not have a good price (700USD for 64gb) when 16gb cost from 100USD.

[@HighYield]

I agree, cheaping out on a PSU can backfire, because it might fry your entire system. And ppl often underestimate how a good PSU affects system stability. DDR5 pricing is still over 2x compared to DDR4, lets see how it will develop once Zen 4 has been released.

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

@@HighYield well I agre with you but I can get 50% price drop on ddr5 :D

[@ThePr0Br0]

Can we please just swap chipsets like we swap cpus

[@HighYield]

The thing is, a chipset needs the corresponding hard wired I/O to connect to, so a upgrade wouldnt really benefit your motherboard.

[@ThePr0Br0]

@@HighYieldwhat if it's standardised like specific pins would connect to specific ports

[@amigatommy7]

Do not really need a gpu on Pcie 5 but ok.

[@HighYield]

PCI 5.0 isnt really useful for the GPU, just like 4.0 still has very little benefits. But DirectStorage could change that, because with this new technology, GPUs can directly access a M.2 SSD, and if both parts run with PCIe 5.0, loading will be much faster.

[@amigatommy7]

2 SATA connections is plenty.

[@HighYield]

I am currently only using 1 SATA connection, but a lot of people still have a few SATA SSDs/HDDs connected, and they do need more. But thats what chipsets are for.

[@roklaca3138]

Expensive mobos...

[@marvin3898]

I hope they release an X600 chipset like the X300. My Dream Mainboard: itx 2x USB 10G 2x USB 4 no SATA 1x M.2 1x pcie x16

[@HighYield]

Same here, in only need one PCIe port and honestly, no more than four USB ports. But two M.2 ports would be nice tho.

[@marvin3898]

@@HighYield A second M.2 would be nice but it could only be pcie x2. When my math is correct. 28 Lanes from the CPU x16 GPU x4 USB4 Controller x4 M.2 1 x2 M.2 2 x1 Wifi Controller x1 LAN Controller

[@HighYield]

That’s correct, but PCIe gen5 x2 = gen4 x4, so one ultra fast gen5 M.2 and one super fast gen4 M.2 would be possible.

[@bowen6763]

🅿🆁🅾🅼🅾🆂🅼

[@shoddits2156]

AMD learned how to milk customers like intel did it before ;)

[@jacqli69]

Cheapest X670E over $400 at the moment. So much for "smart design". AMD is losing this generation badly. Gamers will buy cheap B660 + cheap DDR4 + 13400F.

[@Torulv]

de-esser

[@HighYield]

You mean for my audio?

[@glenisold79]

Didn't last long? Lol

[@chunkstar121]

Too long

[@HighYield]

Thats what she said

[@mrfarts5176]

@@HighYield This high yield guy puts hotdogs in his bum while making these videos.