The Smash player that made Sakurai regret Melee

The legend of the fastest Waveshine in the land. A reminder to always stretch your hands and correct your posture before partaking in some Melee.
Sakurai's Video: • Super Smash Bros. Braw...
Hax's Video: • SN3 - Interview with Hax
The song is Valentine from Phantasy Star Online

[@marvelstarwarsfan8410]

Damn,he never expected to be played completiveley to a point someone got seriously hurt.

[@OTHERMRBABCOCK]

Yet goes and makes Kid Icarus Uprising a decade later which causes hand cramps, discomfort and pain due to its shitty control scheme and concept, yet he didn’t take responsibility for that one, instead opting to beg for a port of it on KZbin. Hope he realizes in 2023 if the controls don’t get fixed or a constant health and safety warning doesn’t stay up, you’re walking in CAL territory

[@Dr_Hax]

@@OTHERMRBABCOCK to be fair about the safety warning, kid icarus will remind you to take pauses every hour

[@0utrunner237]

To face an opponent that pushes you beyond your absolute limits..this must be what it feels like to actually give 110%.

[@lapplandkun9273]

It's the reason why people should take breaks and maybe tournaments should not pressure players into developing arthritis in their hands

[@KopperNeoman]

@lapplandkun9273 What arbitrary handicaps on player skill do you suggest to prevent people from pushing themselves in a game that allows it? The only thing you CAN do is design a game that never requires such movements.

[@Silverado-pq6xe]

Such a well made video. Went into this thinking I was gonna hear some dude talking about how hax is the reason or whatever, but this commentary-less style with perfectly minimal editing is absolutely not what I expected.

[@Shyverin]

reminds me of old videos that were titled "How to do X" and it would be a concise 30 second clip that just abruptly ends right as the demonstration is complete. the good old days.

[@Pyrospower]

@@Shyverin real

[@johnmaco]

Fresh air

[@forestforestforestforest]

he cut the video too short, Hax says "20xx" or something as a response to the doctor

[@SquidgeM0seec]

​@@Shyverinah, nostalgia goes hard. Now we have sponsors, sub statistics and like begging before the actual tutorial starts lmfao

[@GENIUSGT]

Based Sakurai caring about his fan base's health

[@BASEDSAKRI]

well I guess this comment is how I got here...

[@requiem165]

?

[@charc0al_tv]

Except he already didn't like the competitive scene long before Hax's injury

[@ambiguous8661]

​@@charc0al_tvexcept that was also backed by logical subjective reason even if that's true. Sakurai was always a cool genius guy with cool genius friends making cool geniusly perfect games and that hasn't changed except for the fact. They're all getting old now....... 😮‍💨😤

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

Look up "Nintendo thumb". Basically in the past Nintendo got in trouble in the 90s for games that could hurt the player if they got too into it. So this has been a long running thing for them.

[@OscarGeronimo]

Melee players be like: 👽 I've been grinding, I'm transcending ligaments now. Tomorrow, I'll transcend bones 👽

[@RushWheeler]

Next week, I'll transcend muscles 👽

[@bigbubble4282]

And the week after that, I'll transcend blood flow.👽

[@Alien1375]

🐌

[@mrhobs]

Yes, we are the most dedicated. We’ll give our flesh in pursuit of excellence. (Well… not me personally, but this guy I know… him and her…)

[@jari5230]

Ayyy, Elon. You got some more of those Neuralinks lying around?

[@lucasgibbs4050]

Well Scott’s ambulance joke in his Melee review was pretty accurate.

[@DaKing08]

too accurate

[@WishMakers]

It took me until this video and rewatching to process the fact that Sakurai had acknowledged Hax - and by extension, the Melee scene's existence. It feels so obvious to me now like... Of course Sakurai would know Smash's competitive scene. But Nintendo would never want it formally acknowledged in their marketing and that's the only place we really saw him before his own channel.

[@yxungblxxdrxbin]

They did acknowledge the scene but you guys fucked it up.

[@LOL-gn5oh]

​@@yxungblxxdrxbin True. Considering the reports of sexual abuse and CP scandals, toxic behavior, greedy tournament organizers, professional players with high egos, I'm very glad Nintendo didn't further promote the competitive Smash scene.

[@solardxgamer1692]

​@@LOL-gn5ohdon't defend Nintendo for the smash scene. It's their fault that they both don't run any tournaments. Then shutdown other global tournaments as well

[@turokokokoko9714]

@@solardxgamer1692i mean if the community was half as degenerate as it is, nintendo probably wouldn’t have any problems with the community at all. And when the community still embraces losers like leffin and other ppl its no surprise it has the worst reputation of any fighting game community and Nintendo wants non of that, to them marketing the game is first priority, and your game having the image of smelly sexual assulters being the top teir competition for your game is the opposite of good marketing

[@DaDandyman]

@@turokokokoko9714 I mean, sure, leffen sucks, but have you *seen* how toxic folks can get? He's far from some kind of anomaly and his presence is not enough to alienate companies like Nintendo. You know what is, though? The faces of an entire era of Smash players sexting with a child (ZeRo) and getting a blowjob from a child (Nairo) and having a romantic relationship with children (Ally.) And then the rest of the community dismissing the child in the latter two cases for his conduct in the relationships where he was being *raped,* all whilst harboring Nairo and supporting him, not only rhetorically but materially, in his efforts to bully his victim into submission. The situation with Leffen is typical drama. You can find guys like him all over the place. What I'm more concerned about is people who still support Nairo and ZeRo in particular and the sheer amount of predators that we have to ban every month.

[@Antifrost]

Hax isn't even the only player with reported hand injuries from playing Melee, though I think his were worse than most others (if not the outright worst). Competitive Melee has grown to incredible levels and created some amazing moments in gaming history, but I'd definitely understand not wanting to design a game in such a way that players injure themselves in the never-ending quest to perfect it. Also if this is the first time any of y'all have seen Sakurai's videos I highly recommend his channel, lots of interesting stuff on there.

[@ryo-kai8587]

This is really making me appreciate Street Fighter 6. Even playing on Classic controls with a decent amount of inputs needs for Drive Rush combos and stuff, It's still sustainable and not causing pain after hundreds of hours playing on gamepad.

[@greenbean4422]

​@@ryo-kai8587you both are coping incredibly hard You can play melee with a buttonpad right now and it's completely legal-- hax, the guy from this video, still plays every day even after getting this surgery because he uses a pad On top of this, there have been players who have been in the sport for 15 years or even longer and still play on GCC Hax is an extreme case of when these things happen AND HE STILL plays melee after this incident happening over 5 years ago

[@rikibdgd4764]

​@@greenbean4422why dont u have tendonitis then

[@BirdManJones]

​@@greenbean4422exactly, thank you. Using one extreme example as a way to say that playing this game can destroy your hands is ridiculous

[@Raylightsen]

It's gamers problem, not the devs to care about such stupid situation.

[@dannyboots]

Bro was playing like the Berserker armor was consuming him

[@13aozer]

Clicked on this video because I relate to it so much. I’ve been playing Super Smash Bros Series ever since I was 4 years old. Smash 64 all the way until ultimate. I’ve developed a condition known as Bilateral De Quervain’s Tenosynovitis, which can be either called Gamer’s Thumb, Texting Thumb, Mommy’s Thumb, or a sister form of tendinitis. Extreme pain while over extending the thumb which is caused by overuse/strain of using the thumb too much. I found this condition to especially hurt using the GameCube controller, which is still being used by many Smash players since it’s debut for the GameCube and Smash Melee. The GameCube controller and many other controllers that Nintendo manufactures are not ergonomic at all, and can be a death knell for your wrists! Which is why it’s important to always stretch before/after gameplay and to ice it to prevent long-term injuries. I still have this condition and have had to spend a lot of money to finally see a positive form of recovery. I’ve now transitioned away from using the GameCube Controller and now use the Pro Controller for the Switch, as it feels better in the palm of my hands and a bit more ergonomic. Please gamers, remember to take care of your health. I know many of us game as an escape or relief of stress, and losing the ability to game from physical pain can also take a toll on your mental health. Remember to stretch and ice after long hours of gameplay!

[@gusonian8637]

That’s really unfortunate, hope you’re doing well. You could of course always check out Box style controllers for fighting games, but I understand there are situations where that doesn’t really work

[@yonaguy6978]

At that point take a break, no one should get so obsessed to the point of hurting yourself

[@robertfernandez3746]

y

[@ibryce3634]

fuck that melee is worth it 20XX baby

[@CoronaMage]

It's competition, they're going to do that regardless.

[@angrybread478]

You can't take a break when you need to play to make rent

[@MelancholyJoker19]

@@angrybread478 Knowing how hard it was to get paid in the tournament scene, if that's the difference between rent and no rent, you need to find more stable work

[@Jknight416]

Who would’ve thought that someone would need to have surgical treatment from playing too hard on a video game. I sure as hell didn’t

[@JediMasterBaiter]

Doctors need to start taking gaming injuries as serious as combat sports.

[@mrhobs]

Yeah… most people like yourself didn’t see it coming, but people have been abusing their health while perfecting their gaming skills for decades. (The guy who died playing Berzerk in the ‘80s comes to mind.)

[@green-lean-espeon]

I like how Sakurai here cares about his Fanbase, even the super dedicated ones. A chill guy, fo' sho'.

[@juandavidamadomartin8015]

Masahidiot Sakukrap only cares about Money

[@fujinshu]

@@juandavidamadomartin8015 Average Melee and Leffen fan

[@theblitzblader3967]

@@juandavidamadomartin8015 You weren't funny or clever writing this. What you were 5 months ago is annoying, biased, and completely stupid. I hope you've changed with in 5 months to to be less of sad little comment troll.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

Players will find a way to make any game break their hands.

[@bluetoad07]

Calculator for Nintendo Switch

[@LtheOriginal]

@@bluetoad07I played calculator on Switch the other day. Shit got so intense that my oven exploded, the ceiling fan went into a frenzy, and the family dog went crazy and woke up the entire neighborhood. All because I did 9 + 10 = 21

[@ambiguous8661]

​@@LtheOriginal-_-😮😢

[@Jack1803]

I've been trying to find this interview w Hax for years man. watched it live and then had something similar happen to me years later, always thought back to how accurate his description of an "explosion" in his hand was to what I felt.

[@heyhackurs]

I'm thankful to be double jointed so the pain doesn't hurt as much but I remember the absolute pain trying to pull off super technical things I was learning. Haven't really touched competitive smash in years though but I can proudly say I took 2 stocks off Armada before he completely wiped the floor with me. He also gave me some good competitive advice as well.

[@ThePi314Man]

The thing about Melee's fast pace is that it was made before video games had a standard buffer window. The only buffer system that exists in Melee to my knowledge is holding down on the c-stick during a grab or pummel to initiate a frame perfect d-throw without the opponent escaping. Nothing else in the game has buffer, so you need to be exactly frame perfect every input in order to play at the top level. Project M players didn't have this problem because a 3-frame buffer window was included in the game. Players wouldn't have any issue if there was some buffer for inputs, and it would lower the skill ceiling enough to keep this kind of injury from happening.

[@Deadcombat]

Extremely well put together video

[@thepoobandit2850]

Bro edited 2 videos together

[@kyurei4478]

​@@thepoobandit2850True.

[@partymartin28]

The video of all time truly the moment

[@AvengingEnder]

My right hand/arm has some sort of RSI from going hard on competitive Melee for only like 6 months back in 2017, primarily from wavedashing and jump-cancel grabs, quickly ending my Melee "career". Coming from other competitive controller games with low APM, I didn't even know that was a thing. I still commonly have little flare-ups when using a computer mouse, sometimes from a controller, almost constant minor discomfort when using either, but 'not bad enough to warrant surgery'. It's important to have awareness out there for players of all levels to prevent these injuries.

[@chronology556]

RSI can go away. Stop playing for a while, like weeks or months and use more ergonomic controllers. The GCC isn’t terribly ergonomic, but it’s not atrocious, it’s the sheer amount of inputs that cause RSI. If you’re on the older side of things like 25+, expect to need to micromanage your hand pain with melee, but traditional fighting games like Street Fighter 6, have less inputs overall, so you can try that.

[@AvengingEnder]

​@@chronology556 Yep, you're right. But unfortunately I've tried those things. I appreciate the help though. I'm gonna go to another orthopedist soon, maybe they can figure something out.

[@chronology556]

@@AvengingEnder I also play KOF and SF,and traditional fighting games in general using Arcade Sticks and keyboards and pads, but I’ve mostly stopped playing Melee. I lost interest. So I guess that has helped my hand pain, also don’t downplay massages and ice water treatment, it worked for my tendinitis. I’ve also developed minor symptoms of carpal tunnel, so I stopped aggravating my hands when I notice those symptoms, I also have utilized hand stretches and hand strengthening techniques, although the latter, I’ve barely scratched the surface. Still the key is rest and stop playing for a LONG time, then if you still want to play video games, you must ease yourself into it. Melee probably not a good idea, but Smash 64 is a decent alternative.

[@AvengingEnder]

@@chronology556 Good advice. I'll check out massages and ice water treatment. And yeah I haven't played Melee since 2017, still love to watch it though.

[@TuMadre8000]

people sometimes wonder why sakurai doesn't just make the next smash game more technically demanding like melee, but you gotta put yourself in his place. imagine if your creation allowed people to hurt themselves on their way to get good. you'd probably want to stray away from that direction, too.

[@GustoFormula]

That's fair, but really the controller is mostly the problem and not the game itself and I hope Sakurai knows that. The distance from B to Y/X and how fast and often you need to close that distance as fox (and falco to a lesser degree) is the main problem as I understand it. But even then there's a ton of players who have played an insane amount without any hand issues. Design a more ergonomic controller and take away L-canceling for good measure and it's fine if the game is technical.

[@mizurazu]

@@GustoFormula Then they lucked out. Regardless of your controller, any forced repetitive motion will put a strain on your tendons etc.

[@BaneOfXistence4]

Greatness requires sacrifices. If you don't want to be the best in a game or sport, then do something else that isn't physically demanding. People get hurt in sports even after they've taken great strides to make them safer. Its the nature of competition.

[@GustoFormula]

@@mizurazu Ok so 85-95% of top players just lucked out? Hand pain is not that prevalent and almost everyone would be fine if they just practiced proper hand health like using the proper grip and taking breaks to stretch.

[@mizurazu]

@@GustoFormula Not everyone discloses this info.

[@WhatsWrongBuddy]

So good to live in an age where The box controllers are an alternative

[@lapplandkun9273]

not everyone uses it buddy. Most players still use GC controllers

[@WhatsWrongBuddy]

@@lapplandkun9273 of course, the poor can not afford them. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@WhatsWrongBuddy Oh no, GameCube controllers cost a whopping $10, that's practically my entire life savings, whatever shall I do?

[@WhatsWrongBuddy]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 Apply to McDonalds, work two weeks and quit. Then buy a box controller and with the money you have left from working use it to enter weeklies and begin winning $200 a week per weekly.

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

What about PlayStation controllers tho?

[@BaneOfXistence4]

Boxing and MMA exists. Where you literally beat the hell out of your opponent. People will always sacrifice their body for a sport they love. Let them live and make their decision.

[@WhirlwindHeatAndFlash]

very true its the same in a large number of sports if you wanna be at the olympics, you have to live with the fact that after 40 whatever joint you used the most in your sport is ruined. Earlier if you dont stop competing past 30.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Huh?

[@goofity]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 ?

[@BlazenPowers]

That's the power of getting extremely good at something. You grind everything that has to offer.

[@Soooooooooooonicable]

Love the Emerald Coast outro. One of my favorite areas in all of gaming 😍😍

[@inconsideratebox3000]

He may have tendinitis, but that doesn't compare to the pain you feel under your ribs after a single match of Wii Sports boxing.

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

We love you Hax$

[@MrHeroicDemon]

Very well put and edited video. Some NFL players break bones too, NBA, the best literally have to sacrifice something always....

[@intifadayuri]

You can argue Melee is one of the most mechanically demanding fighting games ever

[@WhirlwindHeatAndFlash]

Its not just hax, a bunch of people struggled with similair problems in fact the particular problem hax describes in this video isnt tendinitis

[@chronology556]

Tendinitis is minor compared to Hax$ problem. He’s an anomaly.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

As a blazers fan, man I didn't expect a roy mention here. I'm sad now.

[@splegoon4289]

He took grinding melee to the point where he was grinding his hand bones.

[@terrordarky]

part of why brawl sold better than melee is because the gamecube undersold and the wii sold like hotcakes guys

[@imselfaware419]

No shit

[@savaget2058]

Imagine if professional athletes never suffered any injuries...

[@Liliphant_]

And then they put Smash bros on a damn 3DS. My hands never recovered from playing that competitively

[@viewtifulzet593]

Good vid! Straight to the point too! Nothing too unnecessary, good stuff!

[@mgrimm5500]

People think it’s a joke when I talk to them about why I don’t play melee like that anymore. Let alone any game like that anymore. Great video! 👍

[@MichaelSmith-hp8fy]

Yeah bro... I was a competitive gymnast when I was younger and have really janky wrists now... but just from Melee is wild 😅

[@winterwarden]

1:14 "that game's not even techable like that" melee players approaching any other game 😂😭😂😭

[@robertbowen5457]

This title with Hax on the thumbnail is just hilarious lmaoooooo

[@NanagoBlake]

That is really sweet

[@Mabidemonstrations]

Gotta love that classic PSO2 Lobby music in the background

[@megamix5403]

Right when I was gonna comment "how do you know he's the guy Sakurai is talking about?" I saw the Twe- er I mean, the post on X and I'm like Oh-

[@interval_1]

Nice Phantasy Star Online music, one of the most underrated OSTs out there

[@theinktician]

Brandon Roy reference was unexpected. He walked so Dame could run

[@issou9253]

This guy is a shonen protagonist

[@TopShelfHunters]

Oh shit he sold me some kicks back in 2010 or so. Cool dude

[@DukeButtwater]

Big ups for PSO music

[@George_Nakhle]

You're the crowbcat of melee

[@cloudshines812]

And that’s not an acomplishment…

[@koth_harvest_final]

that's a bad thing lmfao

[@TerryHintz300ATK]

re 4 demake fans still mad at the comments.

[@koth_harvest_final]

@@TerryHintz300ATK more that all his valve worship vids are extremely lame and his obsession with muh graphics over gameplay is annoying i don't even disagree with him all that much he's just not an interesting person to watch

[@luiegiii]

Bro melee breaks hands to this very day. If you take the game seriously you will eventually get hurt which is why I stopped taking the game seriously. Unfortunately Sakurai is right but he did not consider that no matter what you do people will always play too much and hurt their hands.

[@Nobddy]

Yep. I got a repetitive motion injury from melee 4 years ago and still have pain from time to time to this day. I was even careful before I injured myself and took the time to stretch and ease into it. Now, my thumb is much better than it was, but I had to completely stop playing. I couldn’t play any video game for more than a year. Now when I play games I have to take frequent breaks or the pain and stiffness comes back.

[@Nobddy]

And it sucks because I just want to combo some mfers into the dirt. God it felt good

[@webpombo7765]

Well, nowadays we have the B0XX controller, which, by many accounts, is ergonomically designed in such a way that it doesn't cause as much strain as a gamecube controller

[@dayvonlouis5187]

I love playing smash too but that damn sure won’t happen to me

[@Pi22aPino]

Dude’s good at dodging eye contact.

[@Swattii]

It's considered homosexual

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

@@Swattii true

[@knogface]

It's called weed.

[@lasercraft32]

Some people just don't like making eye contact. It doesn't necessarily mean anything more than just doing so makes them uncomfortable. I can relate because trying to make eye contact is hard for me because it just makes me anxious... (and no, I am not homosexual :/). I'm just introverted and feel awkward when in the center of attention, and the same is probably true for this dude.

[@knogface]

@@lasercraft32 totally understand and feel the same way. But weed makes it worse not saying dudes high just saying

[@falkenjeff]

You cannot just casually put PSO lobby music into a video like that man. Feels from a bygone era. I couldn't even pay attention to the video lol.

[@spaghettiking7312]

Despite all his controversies, we still love Hax$ to this day for everything he's contributed to Melee and the community.

[@allainangcao28]

It's understandable why he designed Brawl and 4 to be the way they are. Melee is simply too fast, and the fact that players have confirmed to be suffering extreme levels of pain in their hands because of the game's pace and the fact that the GC controller has flat grips justifies why Brawl and 4 were made to be slower and casual friendly. I do think he finally hit that sweet spot of pace with Ultimate. It can play fast and slow, and that fluctuation of pace is easier on the hands than Melee which is 200 MPH at all times.

[@JogVodka]

Baki ass moment where dude performed a perfect series of moves only to leave his hand fucked up

[@xmoopx2498]

Many competitive sc players develop some level of arthritis or maybe even other painful medical issue... It may be important to land a team that cares out their players enough to help mitigate and treat this

[@DreamcastSoup]

What font did you use for the thumbnail

[@Sol_Calibre]

I had to stop playing for a week just from mario kart wii, it was an insane pain, my palm was JELLY and my wrist hurt a bit 😂😅

[@XeLLKiller]

source to the sakurai thing bro

[@Lavkia]

Damn i forgot. This also made me realize that i actually put the wrong thumbnail at the start of the video lol Thanks for the reminder, i've put it in the description and here Sakurai's Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/monTd4d-qdGgedE Hax's Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqmUZpSBmM99aqc

[@vanillafella4893]

its on sakurais youtube channel i think talking about the design of brawl

[@ThatOneScienceGuy]

I think it was a combination of Melee and compulsive masturbation.

[@dmclsl03]

Lmao

[@WesM369]

i guess Hax is a lefty

[@ThatOneScienceGuy]

@WesM369 I'm right handed but use my left 😂

[@ShimodaNexus]

Ah, that Phantasy Star Online music!

[@sencrew5293]

Dat phantasy star music thoooo

[@Tiger74147]

Which is why the first one is the best. It was strategic, tactical, deliberate. It didn't rely on twitch movements. You had to think ahead.

[@Haganeren]

But do we have some date ? It would have to have happened between Melee and Brawl no ?

[@whispersmusic6173]

That doesn’t per se mean he regrets melee. All he did was express sympathy

[@Acryte]

PSO music sighting 😮

[@cristhianbenitez5084]

I didn’t think this was something that could even happen but then again, at the end of the day it’s your choice I guess.

[@fr0stdr4ke95]

Repetitive Strain Injury. But amplified by using the least ergonomic controller on the planet in a way that isn't safe for human hands.

[@ElGudiii]

I thought it was about some salty player

[@MoralesAlex805]

With great power comes great sacrifice 😂

[@dhans9662]

My favorite part about this is that Sakurai recognizes competitive melee terminology like "waveshine" Ok nvm I was wrong, got confused and thought that 0:26 was a clip of Sakurais video using Hax's interview as an example of what he was talking about

[@kyurei4478]

When did he use or recognize melee terminology ?

[@dhans9662]

@@kyurei4478 You're right he didn't lol

[@Epsilonsama]

He doesn't use the term Waveshine but he knows of the technique. He in fact posted about the Wavedash on his Japanese blog before it was discovered by the players giving hints saying try it out with Luigi who is the easiest to pull that off.

[@kyurei4478]

@@dhans9662 Oh, ok. I thought I miss something lol. I guess you could say he at least recognized the techniques indirectly by pointing out the demanding and potentially painful Melee movements.

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

​@@kyurei4478 The only reason why Sakurai left it in the game is because he didn't expect it to be so crucial to Melee. There's a reason why he made Brawl the way he did.

[@Jawzun]

Nice! Emerald Coast

[@RangoTheMercenary]

This is why I don't play competitive Melee.

[@SalveASMR]

How can anyone be proud of this?😅

[@rmat9023]

phantasy star background music or what?

[@artofspum]

u just clickin

[@kalut.]

PSO MUSIC let's gooo

[@John_Duster]

Already knew it was aziz

[@rauschka3395]

I developed a carpal boss playing smash 4. I wasn’t even that much of a competitor at tournaments. I quit before anything worse happened.

[@johnjackson9751]

How many meals and showers to melee players skip to be able to do these things?

[@MisterCask]

Old school PSO music. Patrician taste.

[@SailorJagen]

at the end of the video the beach scene what is that from

[@MagcargoMan]

Emerald Coast from Sonic Adventure.

[@Hextator]

Why is the PSO1 Valentine's Day lobby music playing and why isn't it credited in the video description

[@ShinziiArt]

Holy crap

[@nathanhernandez4855]

Thought this video would have more Chris Hansen.

[@mnm1273]

Brawl sold nearly twice as well as Melee. Casual popularity is far more important than competitive.

[@FlamePurple]

Yup

[@vanillafella4893]

i get u but could def be argued that the Wii far outsold the Gamecube.

[@coolyeh1017]

In a way yes, but at the same time Melee was designed to be more casual in mind, there were just tons of interesting stuff because the dev left some bugs in and if I remember they rushed Melee. But the Wii also sold significantly more console compared to the gamecube (like 5x more).

[@skunthundler]

Brawl sold more than melee because it was on the wii lmao. The Gamecube was a fucking failure and it's a miracle that melee even sold what it did.

[@dhans9662]

@@skunthundler Sounds like cope, you could play melee on the wii too

[@vonBelfry]

Ah yes, because he plays league.

[@fidel_soto]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[@goofity]

music?

[@mghegotagun]

Man that pso2 lobby music...

[@felixcnascimento]

Damn... That's all I have to say.

[@clovis-]

sakurai is so pretty for no reason

[@requiem165]

Woah

[@Dwip_po_po]

I cant consider this a flex 💀 like bro

[@rumfordc]

nobody in this community should be talking about flexing

[@Lumine777produccines]

Melee was a mistake.

[@TheJohnnySilver1]

I got ganglion cyst from playing melee on a xbox controller

[@fearlessleader889]

Brawl was a disaster but it's so wholesome that Sakurai changed the entire design of smash because he felt guilty for that guy's surgery.

[@itsmesometimes5878]

He didn’t. Hax got his injury in like 2016

[@mnm1273]

Brawl was a disaster COMPETITVELY. It sold nearly twice as many copies as melee and is the second best selling game in the series

[@omegaaklx303]

​​@@mnm1273Brawl fr the most fun i had playing Smash Bros, so much content and so much charm.

[@simanolastname2399]

@@mnm1273 while I don't think brawl was a disaster, there were definitely some absolutely bizarre decisions (tripping being the poster child)

[@nuke_raider]

Bro melee players still holding an unnatural hatred for brawl

[@Sly88Frye]

Okay actually this is really sad. I mean we can all laugh, but he was just trying to win a very competitive game and ruined his wrist in the process.

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

You gotta take care of your hands man sheeesh

[@KyokujiFGC]

I think part of this is also a technique and self regulation issue though. Otherwise, you'd be seeing this with more players. If you're in pain, you should look at the way you're inputting stuff and also take a break. Otherwise, you end up with chronic problems like this.

[@rumfordc]

@@KyokujiFGC That's why he made the boxx, and why so many people use it.

[@TheYambino]

Yoooo good to see people being honest about Yamamoto's fire plagiarism tracks. For me, it is the best soundtrack bar none.

[@megax5000]

as someone who had to deal with his own hand injuries over the years (though seemingly not anywhere as serious as Hax's) i know it really sucks. did he ever fully recover?

[@hmmmmmmmmmm_]

Hax was too TAS for this world

[@Churd_]

hax even said he had bad form tho, you can do these things, but if you tense up when trying in melee, shit doesn’t work you either flub, or hurt your tendons

[@dingding12321]

This happens for exactly one character haha. Fox players play like every game is their last lol