the smobcast: The Arts AOE Tier List (pt. 2) | EP. 63

[@Vierdro]

Poor Muramasa. No respect for the guy. I really wish he would get buffed already. Missed opportunity with the recent lb6 recollection.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

I runned through all the story to lb7 usìng him and percival in the same team and percival did better than him lol But i used muramasa for crits when percy was recharging

[@meawmere6618]

He was my first 5 star on na when i started playing the game and i used him in all of main interlude and losbelts up to now and i gada say he's ok thats it not good not bad just ok sadly

[@dfih1592]

Oberon came home. Time to watch Smobcast in celebration

[@luis99tv]

Me too

[@evgenyti3250]

I got my Koyan today

[@zan-0]

Same Oberon and some cu caster copy

[@ALUCARDAN2]

🎉 Merry Christmas

[@MArkusHuerles]

Oberon and Koyan for me

[@pingufan1239]

The Hibiki and Louhi comparison is like the 2022 case of identity theft between Hu-Yan and Britomart

[@blackxel6414]

I feel like the slander has swung too far the other way about Muramasa. Is he actually that bad ? (I don’t take Ryou’s opinion in consideration, he’s way too hyperbolic to take seriously)

[@ALUCARDAN2]

I think it was the hype that caused the anger, my brother used 1400 SQ for 2 copies and was so sad with his performance he stopped playing for months. I am a Quick main so I am used to non broken servants 😅

[@rancorrage5646]

His base damage isnt very good, and he has trouble with sustained crit damage...but he ramps up fast, maintains damage for a while, and his crits can be compensated for with CEs.

[@RyouEmerald]

I mean I've used the guy a lot, he's B11, I don't backline 5 stars either. He's just not very good at farming, and in cq he's just kinda okay, arts crit is pretty lackluster most of the time. I may exagerate some things, but I legit think he needs a big buff to make him actually usable.

[@blackxel6414]

@ Thanks for the response. Do you mean not good for farming for 90+ and up ? Might probably be personal bias in my own case too but I’ve used him in multicore for 90+ and he usually does the job for me. He’s lv100 and NP3.

[@RyouEmerald]

@@blackxel6414 Nah like even in standard 3/3/3 farming sometimes he falls short. In 90+ though he really falls short. Due to sometimes needing his S1 on W2 in order to loop, its just kinda sad. Now if course you can swap in and loop of course, but needing swap for level 90 nodes on an art servant, is bad... most don't need it. Many quick don't need it. So in the end he's a servant with a kit that is just almost good in so many places but just sits under the bar on all of them.

[@_J0ker]

I don't understand why they didn't give Abby Santa "reduce master skill cooldown" on np or something like that.

[@Buurardo]

You know a big detriment to Santa Abby is that she's LB 6 locked you have to beat the Hardest story fight in the game by the time you can get her to beat that fight unless you used blue cube spam you probably already have a competent Arts supports

[@ALUCARDAN2]

She is LB6 locked? Damn, so not for new players and too weak for old.

[@RaiosuXx]

love you guys a lot but the muramasa takes always hurt me. i love using him. i don’t think he’s the goat but i’ve never had a problem using mine (np5, lvl100, 2k fou) i build a team around him and have a lot of fun. a buff would be great for him, but i absolutely disagree with the takes you guys have for the most part. i don’t think he’s as bad as you guys say but i also don’t think he’s the best ever: he can work just fine. thanks for the ep this week!

[@p1ge0n98]

plushie was holding that koyan dark cope till the end

[@Hound12615]

I've seen a Muramasa min-turn against LB6 Morgan Super Recollection quest. The run was done before class core was introduced into the game, so he's not completely useless.

[@pingufan1239]

Oh no, I was about to go to sleep 0: ALSO! It would have been cool if Louhi had been anti sky. Then we’d have an anti man buster berserker in Morgan, anti earth Arts in Ibuki, and anti sky Quick in Louhi

[@nightshrine4257]

1:38:50 Plushie Breakdown after Dark Koyan not getting a buff since the Launch of Fgo

[@aizeroth8858]

I agree that this year was better than last year (for JP) but the frequency of mistakes from the devs/management has been increasing this year and that's quite worrying for the game. The tierlist is cool and all but I feel like we need a tierlist that does not assume you have all the op supports. Only in that case would you actually care about who you use to win, because if you have all the op supports it doesn't really matter who you use, you'll still win.

[@kurupati-xn8bv]

2:04:50 this this basically the meme Chao Ling takes power, 247 Million Perish

[@pingufan1239]

Wait could there be a Foreigner OC chapter? Koyan Dark buff

[@dcctann9090]

We don’t think of ryo (hope I’m spelling it wrong) events as cannon, if we did that’s just a whole can of worms we don’t wanna touch

[@manafusion]

I think Otto misunderstood how NP generation works. Quick is 1x and Arts is 3x. Then there's the card positioning which is a 1/1.5/2x multiplier and Arts First which is a flat +1.0 addition on top of the entire card-side multiplier situation (ArtsFirst + (CardType * CardPos * (1 + CardMod))) . In Louhi's case, ignoring position and Arts First bonus, her Quick generates 2.16% NP by default while her Arts card generates 6.48% NP. Full formula (thanks to Kyte from Beast's Lair): NP% per hit = Round Down(Round Down(offensiveNPRate * (firstCardBonus + (cardNpValue * (1 + cardMod))) * enemyServerMod * (1 + npChargeRateMod) * criticalModifier) * overkillModifier) firstCardBonus = {1 if Arts was first card, 0 otherwise. 0 if it's an NP card} cardNpValue = {3 if Arts, 1 if Quick, 0 if Buster, 1 if Extra} * {1 if first card, 1.5 if second card, 2 if third card. 1 if it's an NP card, 1 if Extra card} cardMod = +-X% to [Card] Power. ([Card] Up/Down) enemyServerMod = {a server-controlled modifier given to the enemy.} npChargeRateMod = +-X% to NP Charge Rate. (NP Charge Rate Up/Down) criticalModifier = {2 if crit, 1 if not crit} overkillModifier = {1 if enemy's not yet dead, 1.5 if enemy is dead}

[@Ottobean]

I know this. When I give an approximate of a servant's NP gain, I use shorthand calculations without the arts starting bonus in mind. It rarely matters that much unless you are talking about an arts servant, anyway. Quick servants oftentimes want to pick their quick cards because they do more damage than their arts cards with support buffs, and as soon as you start prioritizing their quicks, the arts starting bonus isn't going to apply as often. Mighty chains are cool, but they don't happen when you use a quick card after your NP.

[@kurupati-xn8bv]

going back in a holiday is nightmare, the airport is so crowded it feels like youre escaping from saigon

[@temyar55]

I wonder if the boys will go over the New Years GSSR on the next episode since there may not be an episode on the 29th.

[@harushion]

Hey, thats me. I read Arknights story and lore. The only time I tune out is mostly due to really lazy localization issues.

[@ReInvader]

really You add muramasa in the same tier than herezade

[@Saito47]

Abby really does feel like a welfare who gets buffed within a year. It almost feels like she was meant to have a damage np of some sort during her development but they decided not to for reasons I guess? She's not bad in the least at all imo.

[@Saito47]

I'm dumb and forgot to include this in my above post but I do feel like if we didn't skip guda guda this year, im still mad about that, we would have been some kind of a buff for rikyu either on her np or one of her skills to make the gap between her and luohi narrower outside of trait. Probably also buffed one of the welfares like chacha or ranmaru x who both kinda suck still.

[@Tatian4191]

I don’t know why we’re still coping that Summer Musashi doesn’t need another buff when Ibuki has essentially two kits. Doing more damage sometimes is not enough to differentiate the two.

[@ReInvader]

Others units really need one buff, give one buff only for each dps reach ibuki is a waste. Nightingale s*ks, as arjuna, Artemis, osakabe, sigurd, Nemo, etc

[@Tatian4191]

@ None of those servants are as completely mogged as Musashi in her niche, though. As it stands, S.Ibuki is still strictly better with zero downsides.

[@ReInvader]

@Tatian4191 arjuna is worse than emiya, orion is worse than euryale. Nightingale worse than asclepius What are you taking? musashi is a great unit out if is worse than ibuki

[@Tatian4191]

@@ReInvader Only Euryale and Orion have the same level of complete overlap. It’s a matter of use case. There’s no real reason to ever use Musashi if you have Ibuki, because why invest in two units who are so similar? Ibuki really is just over designed with a perfect farming kit and a near perfect CQ kit. If they made Ibuki the better farmer but left Musashi with CQs, it’d be something. And honestly, Ibuki’s probably better at CQs in general, since she has crits, stars, and attack up for the whole party. And defense strip is far better for the party than a three turn invuln pierce that’s tied to a 5k HP down. Musashi’s pretty trash comparatively. When would you use her over Ibuki, the rare time the enemy has a box evade/invuln or a non Earth Saber? Adding to all of that, you have to factor in the fact that both are limited summer units who get rerun at similar times, where at least Arjuna and Artemis are permanent units who will eclipse their low star competitors at higher NP levels.

[@dfih1592]

I think you guys would be more hype for Chinese characters if they're weren't any at all (like in the case of Finnish servants). Year 7, no Chinese servants, and then BAM, Lu Bu I'm not even Chinese and I'd go nuts (but I'm kinda obsessed with Three Kingdoms)

[@rotciv557]

I kinda wish you guys didn't spend the entire Abby section comparing her almost exclusively to Tamamo or Avalon and would have at least matched her up against fellow 4 Star Arts supports like Gilgamesh or Yui because...like, yeah, she's not as good at support as the top tier premium SSR Servants., she's not competing with them. I feel like it's speaks better of her than not that she's "just" a worse Avalon but it's still myopic to not compare her kit and what she offers to those in her own level. Also you guys gave no thought to how she works alongside Gogh even though she does so very well. No consideration at all to her inherent synergy with her when you do so with basically everyone else who has Entity passive...

[@Sombody123]

Pas De Deux A should have decreased the master skill CD by 1 or even 2.

[@vxnishexe]

3:57:30 is the best moment ever shit made my die laughing. fingering technique bruh?

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

3:14:36 real lol

[@vxnishexe]

Honestly not a huge fan of Myst takes and I found Otto from Myst's tierlist, but I can truly be honest that I like these guys opinions more. With myst when 2 people agree on one unit to be A tier he would still choose B tier cuz he wants to. And I don't like that. This is better because its not by who you like, its statistically whos better. Thanks for pushing out good content!

[@ReInvader]

always this tiers are going to have preferences, nothing is 100% objetive You think than herezade in the same tier than murasama is objective?

[@RyouEmerald]

I mean these are still subjective to our opinions. Me and Plushie play the game very differently from Otto, and from Myst and what not. It's a good balancing act to have people who play it differently. But go ask some people and they love Muramasa and think he's amazing, but personally after using him a lot I find him really bad in comparison to other arts, and other people will not value Murasaki and Moriarty Ruler as much as we do. All tier lists are subjective.

[@ZioSerpe]

Abby works amazing with Gogh and ya'll here talking arts teams. Fucking Arts and TA brainrot