the SNSD boycott

[@mayruuh]

i really dont know whats worse: the huge amount incel fans of female idols, or the sick parasocial fans of male idols who cant handle their fave getting near a woman and do horrible stuff to the girl for just breathing

[@illtakeapotatochipandeatit390]

So basically no matter what it’s always the women who get hurt🙄

[@SMAnthonyW]

So overt misogyny from men or internalized misogyny from other women

[@vixxexo6855]

Girl groups that have most female fans like Blackpink, Red Velvet, (G)i-dle and Mamamoo will therefore last way longer then ones with just male fans. Unless the company is bad like in Loona’s case. Even then Loona still have a very loyal fandom.

[@vee.3029]

​@@vixxexo6855 get a life

[@Shyreenify]

I know both is terrible but let's be real. There are stalker incel male fans of japanese and korean girl groups that have killed the female members they were obsessed with. So I would say that obsessive deranged male fans of female artists is worse. Obsessive female fans of male idols have never killed anymore

[@Slm99]

Tiffany was always unhinged I love it.

[@EMIE_e.]

Seeing how much ppl hate you in person is much more scarier than online (in my opinion) like you can always block/report someone online but not in person 😐 Edit: also hearing/ seeing how much ppl are displeased with your existence, takes a toll on a human being.

[@Haegemon]

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

[@jisoochrist]

The huge signs that read "silence", those were some dedicated haters Hearing Into The New World at the end of 2019's Dream Concert was poetical, like a full circle moment

[@tribui3252]

not jessica surviving a black ocean and then a blacklisting

[@burniiiiiing]

such a shame the members she trusted so much were the reason for her blacklisting

[@vixxexo6855]

@@burniiiiiingThe members don’t have that much power. It is only SM who can blacklist her.

[@burniiiiiing]

Jessica said herself the members told her to choose between her brand and the group and chinese fans proved she was right

[@julius_romario]

​@@burniiiiiing Even if it's true that the other members kicked her out of the group, they wouldn't have the power to blacklist her from the entertainment industry. For example, Sulli was still able to continue her career in Korea after she left f(x). So it's pretty clear this was a contract issue, Jessica terminated her contract with SM unilaterally

[@Elle0825vnz]

I think she was not blacklisted but there is a tacit understanding between companies especially she came from a big company and a successful group. She claimed that she was kicked out by her memebers but the company was quiet about it which means the company is supported her group that allegedly kicked her out. It means there is a reason behind it and other company dont want to work with that person also.

[@glencoconut]

I sort of knew about this black ocean situation a while ago but never fully understood this. This video explains everything perfectly thank you 😭

[@Regel2008]

For someone who at the age of SNSD and 2nd gen, I just got into Kpop in 2018, I just always wonder the whole “hate” towards SNSD. I just feel fans just take it way too far

[@randiwilliams8360]

Not me getting emotional at the end

[@relatablyreena4411]

Chills my fellow Sone chills ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@claudiooyarce]

The first hipotesis was disproven. There was a TV report Made about the black ocean they took the anti-fans testimony and disproven everything. They even claimed that "sone", who didn't even has a name Yet, staved and hurt them but there were no register in any hospital of such injuries. Sone were the smallest fandom present at the concert and supposedly they attacked all the other fandoms but they didn't even boicot any other performance. The second hypotesis Is much more feasible

[@idkidkidk170]

5:19 the way male idols mock girl group choreo all the time but no one cares lmao give me a fucking break

[@vixxexo6855]

Male idols like DKB who mocked girlgroup choreo got so much hate. Idk which world you even are living in.

[@danielleespinoza5358]

@@vixxexo6855 DKB debuted like 4 years ago. There's a history of male idols mocking girl group choreos (or women in general) since way before the company that group is under even existed, and most didn't have any backlash at all. Specially in 2nd gen, a lot of boy group members were getting in bad drag and doing gg choreos as comedy, basically clowning them, not taking them seriously. I'm kinda glad times have changed so much that you can ask unknowingly in what world OP is living in, but in this world, not long ago, it was very normalized.

[@_Just_Another_Guy]

Didn't IKON mock G-Friend's members slipping on wet stage (G-Friend was performing during a rainstorm at the time)? And now look what happened to IKON. They became irrelevant and one of the members had a drug and sex scandal.

[@RadicalnessSC2]

More people need to know about the legendary and defining moments of kpop. Thank you for sharing this story with such detail.

[@starglitter9193]

when love is big, hate is also big. no matter what, they are the nation's girl group!

[@seraphinexo]

remembering this made me cry a little, great video as always 🤍

[@宪华ジ]

i love ur videos sosomuch, tho have you ever thought of doing a video about other very unknown k-pop groups? or more so k-pop lost media videos I'd love to see videos like this from u

[@all-kulture]

thank uu :) i do have a few videos like this already posted but i do plan to do more

[@sailormoon1013]

The ending of the video was perfect.

[@bliss2141]

Just binge watched all your videos and I just want to say your channel is great!! Your videos are really well made and are all super detailed and informative but still short and concise. Keep up the good work! Subscribed!! ^^

[@all-kulture]

ahh thank you so much!! that makes me really happy to read 🥲

[@kdfox2007]

Thanks for this. I’ve read references to the black ocean, but could not find more information.

[@Anthony-fz9ye]

Algorithm randomly recommended your channel - loving the videos I’ve watched so far

[@seriousleh]

we're getting an all-kulture revamp!!!

[@all-kulture]

😭

[@manassaweeassawakittiporn3516]

Despite many explanations of making antifan of SNSD, one point I got to admit this girl group made my adulthood counted. The skillful and professional way to pave the way for Kpop to be worldwide known are theirs, the pioneer of Kpop girls beside renown "BoA". I cannot relate all the hatred toward this group since those bigotry comes chiefly from the attitude of individual, not their performances. If the hatred is all about member of the girl group hanging out with any member from boy band, then just be my guest. Is there any rules for that? Total Bst!

[@danielrubinstein896]

I think it's SNSD's rite of passage that hone them into becoming the legendary group & artists That they are now

[@grooingwithgwsn]

i love your channel so much! these videos are great

[@venusgarcia372]

Jessica always being iconic

[@bravegirlsbestgg]

STAND was a crazy fourm

[@togetogetogepi]

so glad they're appreciated now 🙏🙏

[@khdworldofficial]

You played Roly Poly copacabana for the intro? You made my day 🤩

[@all-kulture]

yess 🤍👑

[@user-saraswatidevi]

Love your channel! I love learning about older kpop groups Would you ever make a vid on seeya? They where the first kpop group i heard off (eventhough it was for very bad reasons iykyk)

[@all-kulture]

thank you and thanks for the idea!🤍 seeya has a very interesting lore

[@chillwithxavier6484]

There was also a documentary abt this black ocean situation by mnet where they even interviewed fans and one of the fans said “she rlly hated snsd” bc the girls addressed the members by their names instead of “Mr xx” and there’s also pictures of a snsd fanboy in the crowd with an object that looks like a knife or a razor and apparently snsd a snsd fanboy 🍇 a super junior fan! And I also read on a soompi forum that a fan was undressed by snsd fanboys and took pics of her body and the boys were holding pink balloons this was believed to be another reason why the black ocean occurred and also after the concert fans of other groups posted pictures of their body parts covered in bandages bc according to them they were “injured” by snsd fans then later in the documentary they called the hospitals where those fans were apparently “rushed to” only to find out none of the ppl who claimed to be at the hospital were there they made all these fake post of them covered up with bandages just to keep the hatred going i could go on and on

[@chillwithxavier6484]

Let’s not forget their other black ocean at the 2010 dream concert

[@richardc5100]

Back when idols had melanin

[@kazuhasgloves]

I never knew about this. 😮

[@mingkyumin]

Just BCUZ sones are abusiv to elfs and cassies don’t meen that snsd deserv hate.. it not fair..

[@louisxD]

Love the content!

[@deerjohn2461]

This korean fandom is crazy ngl

[@Yvesswntual]

your intro is sooo cute

[@LOVEDlVE]

tiffany was just doing whatever 😭😭😭

[@suhocidal]

The pronunciations are killing me man…

[@_aPaladin]

LMAO! @5:41 obviously girls would be super jealous of GG.... That was so funny to see the boys groups fans being anti-GG... chalk it up to jealousy as always when it comes to kpop stans...

[@JadeMartin-hd4pw]

I don't know why the damn boy group stans had to do that to the wonder girls like their the ones who were gonna be viewed as the plastics of K-pop after that which they weren't.

[@D_89]

Kpop legends 🏆👑

[@JBeechem]

Hate just only leads to more hate Let’s just stay positive and happy and hope for a better future for K-pop as a genre and as a whole who just live the music and not be crazy obsessed fans

[@gowonsmother169]

I love snsd but I would participate in the black ocean because I'll never forgive them for kicking out Jessica

[@Justin-df9ev]

Litcherally mental illness luv

[@user-ct8my8rv9c]

AI voiceover, yuck

[@FeelingPoyChina]

off topic but imagine having no talent of your own besides looking good visually and having LIFE literally HANDED to you simply cause ur good looking having a full team of make up, clothes, composers, producers, audio engineers, lyricists, choreographers, mv directors, publicists, art direction teams.. and MANY MORE. and the fans knowing ALMOST NOTHING about these actually talented people cause they're not as GOOD LOOKING as the idols lmfao our lives have become so comfortable in the last 500 years that we no longer care about anything except our MONKEE impulses lolol meanwhile men risking their life in huge oil rigs in the middle of the ocean to fill our cars with gas and lithium and getting no credit and little kids manufacturing our smartphones and clothes and getting no recognition BUT NO.. you go ahead and praise your precious SNSD lmfaoooooooooo

[@Justin-df9ev]

Cry about it incel

[@saturn_jpeg]

Imma make a guess and say you dont like jessica nor snsd