the MESSY fallout,and comeback of FIESTAR (피에스타)

[@all-kulture]

15:08 a viewer pointed out that cheska actually talked about the issue again on an interview, i highly recommend you to read it so here’s the link: kpopalypse.com/2020/03/11/kpopalypse-interview-cheska-ex-fiestar/

[@jaspersomaek]

Cao Lu did Chinese TikTok Live to sell products online to make money. Once she had made enough money, she reached out to the original producers of you’re pitiful. Then she bought back the rights to that song and fiestar had this come back.

[@kc-un7by]

but how? shinsadong tiger, the producer, is dead

[@johneyon5257]

@@kc-un7by - sinsadong tiger was composer and producer - he held the copyright until his death - the copyright would then get passed on to his heirs - which could be family or business partners or another business - whoever was stipulated in his will

[@summerseazon]

Imo about the Cheska's story about her time in the group, I don't think the girls bullied her, I just think maybe they just didn't connect with each other and that's it

[@gj7854]

I agree cheska just seemed like she didn’t connect well with them and imho she seems very emotional and requires a lot of attention

[@johneyon5257]

@@gj7854 - it's hard to read a person from company produced videos - you get much more when spending sometime with personal social media accounts - i followed her on youtube and instagram after she left the group - and was worried about her mentality - and soon quit following her after telling her she needs help

[@SuperJocelynT]

@@gj7854 you don't know what happened. and she didn't say all of the girls bullied her. she named the two that were the most cruel.

[@tsuki4261]

@@SuperJocelynTnone of us know what happened. Hence why we are assuming and speculating…nothing is wrong with doing that, especially when we don’t have the other sides story

[@DpXX9]

The first thing I learned about Fiestar was that they had completely financed their own comeback. That alone guaranteed my support and respect despite the fact that I knew nothing of their background. Thanks for filling in some of the blank spaces. So much to learn and so little time to watch MVs! Also...Do you think they licenced the Fiestar name just for the 'you're pitiful' comeback? That would mean that they would have to do the same for each and every track, no?

[@all-kulture]

i actually didn’t though about this before you commented, but i believe if they licenced the name they can freely use from now on.. unless they don’t plan on releasing anything else 🥲

[@aa-pj4vz]

The devil works hard but Cao lu works harder.

[@all-kulture]

😭

[@seasalt1498]

Tbh it sounds like a combination of personal, cultural and circumstantial issues. She comes across as somewhat immature in the livestream, but you can also tell that she's genuinely hurt by her experience in the group. I imagine everyone was struggling, but the American/Confucian divide in social norms led to a mutual frustration between her and the others. It bears some similarities to the Jay Park/2pm debacle and potentially the ongoing Eddie/n.ssign issue. There's obviously much much more to all of these issues, but I imagine that with the unlucky combination of the wrong people and circumstances, culture can become an insurmountable wall.

[@thriftskull5549]

Speaking of the Eddie situation is their any updates about what’s going on???

[@periodt87]

I really loved fiestar, I really feel like they were the underdog of kpop. Like I feel a lot of older kpop fans can definitely recognize your pitiful or mirror but aren’t that familiar with the group themselves. 🥹💗

[@GleeChan]

At this point, I think it's difficult to tell if Cheska's stories are 100% accurate, or else exaggerated and told from her jaded POV. I'm sure that Cheska herself believed the things she said, so she's not lying from her perspective, but I also get the feeling that misunderstandings and the pressures they were dealing with contributed a lot to how they were treating her. I just don't think that they hated and bullied her. If so then why would they have bother talking to her after she left, or else ask for help when they could have asked someone else. Plus the girls themselves seem to contrast these stories by their actions, for instance, still getting along with each other and partnering for a comeback. I just think that back then Cheska was in a bad mood given the situation she was in, was combative because of it, and just didn't get along with the others because they weren't on the same page. Of course all of this is speculation, but I do think actions speak louder than words.

[@NinjaKittkatt]

I'm sure Cheska had her reasons for why she said those things, and I don't doubt that the behavior of idols can potentially be very different behind closed doors, but the way she went about "exposing" idols definitely felt malicious. Compare it to the scandals of T-ara, AOA, and now Blackswan. The one who is the most enthusiastic to blame others is the one we should be most wary of. I realize this suggests Cheska was the bully all along, but that's not what I mean. I think Cheska has a lot of unresolved internal conflicts that caused her to interpret social interactions in a skewed way and seemed to lack the maturity to reflect upon her own words and behaviors. Her reaction to the backlash only showed she still hasn't taken the time to reflect internally.

[@SpudhutCXrep]

@@NinjaKittkatti think Cheska showed herself to be a mean spirited person, reminds me of Minah, I’m not saying either of them lied, in fact, i believe they both said what they thought to be the truth but are not the most reliable, depression does sadly distort perception which, to me, it sounds like cheska had depresion since she said she was suicidal. But shit-talking idols that have nothing to do with her and her short-lived career as a nugu was the first red flag, the second red flag is that she is extremely uncharitable towards her fellow members especially Fei, she basically aired the story of how she was sexualized and forced to do surgeries and still used it against her. Fei’s abuse story is hers to tell even if it was told to defend her but it wasn’t. It’s sad all around because I would understand if the rumors had been revealed by 3rd parties like in the case of April and T-ara where none of the alleged victims made the first statement (Although they both eventually acknowledged the rumors and leaned into it). But Cheska put herself in the spotlight and i just don’t think she realized her story would be put under scrutiny. I hope she has thought about it some more and hopefully finds closure.

[@riffgroove]

Her livestream really came off as a lot of sour-grapes.

[@johneyon5257]

i followed her on youtube and instagram after she left - but quit cuz she seemed troubled - her conflicts with the group are probably as much her fault as it is the others - but that is being generous to her

[@TenderNoodle]

Especially with the way she was the harshest with chao lu who didn’t even do anything to her.. how is she a “two faced bitch” when she’s been nothing but nice? Because she got quiet around her boss one time?

[@MuusiicRafael]

IU mother, thank you for posting about Fiestar's comeback ❤

[@RapIsDeadly]

Fiestar is a great group,. Their album Black Label is one of my fav kpop albums of all-time. I still have their poster up on my wall...lol. The songs they did put out were extremely great.

[@josh_berry]

i love black label as well!! what's your favourite track? mine's "cold"💌

[@Zz7722zZ]

I like ‘I don’t know’ and ‘You’re pitiful’ from Fiestar but otherwise don’t follow the group, but the story of how Cao Lu executed this comeback and how all the members (except Cheska of course) supported it and put in effort for a Mandarin version really warmed my heart. I’m happy to say this 2024 version of You’re Pitiful is even better than the original.

[@sappyzap]

idk Cheska's situation sounds more like a cultural clash of sorts, the kpop industry is HARSH and at first most idols just see it as what it is, a job. you aren't friends with everyone at work even less immediately. she sounds pretty annoying and messy too like what's the need to name drop people and bodyshame former bandmates? she should've stayed in her lane talking about her past and experiences and not allegations of other idols being this or that or hating each other

[@Ico_]

What is happening with K-pop groups making a comeback.. Like. Wow. Maybe it's time for Rainbow, and.. STELLAR to comeback. I'll never recover to what they did to our girls in Stellar :(. Happy to see Fiestar to be back. Missed them :(

[@all-kulture]

i would love to see them coming back too

[@soomi]

"Music has destroyed my confidence any happiness." That is genuinely extremely heart-breaking, oh gosh! :(

[@sientense]

Fiestar has my favourite vocals in all of KPOP. I've missed them so much 😢

[@operation_turtle]

im sure its very real to cheska that she was hurt, but yezi reaching out for help with rap as her way of signifying friendship. you ask a friend for help, not a stranger.

[@YGhappyvirus]

honestly, I supported Fiestar since their debut but didn't keep up with their drama, only their songs so I was unaware of what happened between the members. While there probably is some truth to Cheska's stories, I'm just disappointed at how she chose to handle the issue and rant so emotionally and throw others under the bus in public, just bc she's upset. Not cool, Cheska, and not a good way to sway others to your side either

[@soomi]

I do vividly remember their company trying all their best to promote this group and the girls when they were newer, I will say that over time the effort to promote this group significantly stagnated in-between each release. It's so sad, because they could've indeed been something big, like Sistar's level maybe. I will say not all of their music was for me, so I couldn't ult them per se. It's sad, because I did LOVE the members their talents. I have looooved Yezi's solo career after the group vanished.

[@preyslaydisplay]

I’m sure cheska really does feel like that’s what happened from her perspective while being in the group, but in reality I think they were all just young adults who didn’t really click or get along like they had hoped to, all while being in a cutthroat industry that pits them against each other at every turn and that them having a fairly stressful experience with being an idol in general had them all lashing out at each other

[@timeladyana9872]

while i do think cheska had a bad time as a kpop idol and that probably traumatized her, the way she's probably just repeating rumours she heard about other idols as if it's the truth is so reckless and plain dumb. she could easily be sued for defamation + the way all the other girls came back together without her is kind of telling about who the real bully was

[@WomensIconn]

Who’s the real bully?

[@ababalalalaui9792]

cheska kinda hwayoung 2.0😭

[@Kitamurasama]

"I don't know" has never left my playlist, so happy they are back!

[@lemonaidebey6190]

I believe what cheska said. Kpop groups can get competitive from within and kpop is not all rainbows behind the scenes in general. It's ridiculous fiestar never got paid though. I don't think fiestar reuniting suddenly doesn't make the past untrue.

[@Rlrlrl1962]

Can u please do a video on Jessica and snsd 9/30 if not maybe something about snsd’s debut or something else about them ❤️

[@all-kulture]

i made a video on 9/30 last year, the research is good but the quality is questionable lol but i plan to make a video covering snsd’s entire career

[@abc_jv_xyz]

10 years since she was kicked out later this month...

[@riffgroove]

What happened to Jessica is very simple. She wasn't doing her job to either SM's or the rest of the SNSD's satisfaction.

[@seriousleh]

i have a habit of finding groups which i love too late (meaning i find them after they disband) and fiestar was one of them. So seeing them back makes me sooo happy. On another note, i remember what cheska said abt the other members and how she tried to paint some as "evil"... and tbh i believed her but seeing them reunite all together plus finance their comeback together totally shattered what i used to think abt them

[@soomi]

Completely unrelated, but every time I see the MV for apple pie it just makes me so hungry 😭😭

[@all-kulture]

that is so real

[@p.j.7143]

Who here remembers the iconic moment that was the rap in we don’t stop? I still think about that verse to this day

[@POP-nm1ix]

To be honest, I think you're being a bit too lenient on Chieska in the comments. If what you're saying is true, then I really can't see alot of it as the truth. She continuously trashed other people on her stream but somehow, everywhere she went, she was trashed? I don't doubt the fact that a lot of idols are rude/ignorant behind cameras but it doesn't seem as a coincidence that everybody was ganging up on her everywhere she went. Was it because what they did to her or did she do something to them first? On top of that, she had no proof whatsoever of what she said. Since after the T-ara, AoA and April's bullying cases, people are becoming extremely wary of the victim. It doesn't help that nobody came to her aid like in the S# ARP situation. It doesn't help that she talked about really famous K-pop stars _by name._ Had she been in Korea when she said that, she would've gotten sued and had all of her money taken. Heck, one RM member nearly filed a defamation lawsuit against someone in USA all the way from Korea. A lot of it just seems to come off as someone who, at best, someone who had been misjudged/abused throughout her whole career and wanted to talk about her own experiencess but doesn't seem to be aware of her own actions and, at worst, a manipulative liar who has no evidence and was hoping to tarnish other people's reputation but ended up backfiring on her.

[@abc_jv_xyz]

RM member?

[@nerv5255]

@@abc_jv_xyz I think this it means Running Man. The variety show. Member Kim Jong Kook was accused of taking steroids by an American fitness KZbinr and threatened a defamation lawsuit in response.

[@xxhuntressx]

She was just answering questions that she was asked on stream, like a Q&A session. That's completely normal for Twitch streamers. She also spoke very positively of IU, Hello Venus' Lime, Sistar's Soyou, Twice, Block B, F(x), and more throughout the livestream. She's no longer a celebrity and doesn't need to censor herself as such. As someone who saw the VOD live, people just got offended when she spoke her truth about their favorite idols and used it to send her nasty comments. I'm talking about telling her to k*ll herself and such. There's always 2 sides of the story, sure, but she had 0 incentive to lie about anything that she said. Cheska isn't active anymore and seems to have 0 ties to the kpop industry outside of her boyfriend, Geeks. She simply just spoke about her experiences and answered questions as they came. Kpop is an extremely competitive environment and I'm sure it brought out the worst in everyone, but the way she describes bullying is the same as workplace bullying in a professional environment. There's been comments about Hyolyn's (who I do still love as an idol) behavior off-camera for a while, and SNSD not getting along makes sense given how they fired Jessica, who was probably the second most popular SNSD member. There had been rumors of SNSD not getting along way before Jessica was ejected from the group. She was in Korea when she did the livestream. I'm not sure what made you think that she wasn't. Plenty of people in America have the same to say about the entertainment/music industry here too. That's just how it is, people that are narcissistic enough to want to be famous and have their song/face everywhere tend to be assholes. But people should also have the right so speak up about it. Of course she doesn't have video recordings of running into idols in the bathroom, that's ridiculous LOL. Just like how crime victims don't always have evidence, doesn't meant that it DIDN'T happen. Whether you believe Cheska/victims is up to you as a person. I'm sick of people trying to act like she booted up her stream just to hate on kpop idols. She had like 50 viewers (considerably low for Twitch) and was just answering questions as they came, whether they were positive, negative, or not even about kpop.

[@CherrieJellyBeanie]

April's case? Hyunjoo was never in the wrong the police was on her side till the very end, all charges against her were dropped there was literally nothing they could use against her. For AoA's case, Jimin wasn't completely innocent and she still did the things she was accused cor but Mina wasn't the perfect victim everyone wanted her to be, she is obviously mentally ill and distraught and people didn't like that so they immediately painted her a liar.

[@POP-nm1ix]

​​@@CherrieJellyBeaniePolice reinvestigation showed that they couldn't concluded that it was difficult to conclude there's bullying between members. On top of that, Hyunjoo's claims and her brothers claims have been shown to have a lot of inconsistencies that when people asked her to clarify, she started deleting comments and blocked her Insta. The namuwiki of April goes more into depth. There's a reason why Naeun is welcomed back onto acting whereas Hyunjoo is nowhere to be seen. As for Mina, well, we have plenty of evidence that she told countless lying about everything she had said. From lying about not having time to see her father on her deathbed, to lying about Jimin's father special treatment, to lying about Jimin giving her c3rvical c@ncer, to lying about Jimin loudly sleeping with another man causing her to sleep in the practice room but there never being evidence that they're not even in the same dorm. Everglow-up touches on every single one of them. Along with Ploopy's video. Does that mean that it's evidence that Jimin didn't bully her for 10 years? No. But does that mean that Mina's claims can't be taken seriously? Yes. But she'll do? She'll brag about harrasing a nurse, getting with a man knowing he has a gf, selling fake c0v1d medicine. Yeah, no. I'm not trusting her. Ever.

[@NickNekko]

I watched Fiestar from their debut. It was so frustrating seeing their potential being wasted. Their company kept putting them on these lame shows to try and boost them but even I got bored. It became obvious the girls were exhausted, and even depressed. Their company should have put more effort into getting them a hit song, not a stupid show. When the comebacks are a flop you have to wonder how they chose to roll their dice on the songs they released. Was that really the best they could find? Finally when Yezi was on Unpretty Rapstar she was getting the attention she deserved but then what? Anticlimactic. At least she had Crazy Dog, and Cider. Then fizzle. 😩 They had powerhouse vocals that never got the attention they deserved. I was a big fan of Cheska early on. She had great energy, and could speak English. She spoke out about why she left. Don't blame her. It's not an easy life. Love Cao Lu for never giving up. 🤔

[@davestridr]

cheska actually did touch on the subject afterwards! she did an interview with kpopalypse where she explains a bit more of her side of the story

[@all-kulture]

oh-

[@Carolina-bw6gy]

10:55 the line between being honest and rude is too thin. Like that member of Vixx was kicked out bc he was drunk and rude for no reason, saying vixx was more hardworking than other similar bgs at that time just bc they had more creative freedom, talking badly about red velvet. Like ok, not all idols get along, some idols just debut to be famous and hate kpop music/industry/idols in general, but badmouthing without a solid reason for it is so rude!

[@fujisandra]

didn’t think i’d see them together again 😭 the world may be slowly healing again. they’re by far my favorite girl group before i discovered gidle. love my pop girlies

[@soomi]

"I thought all I had to do was debut" Oh boy, was she wrong 😭

[@franklantic]

One More still one of my most played Kpop songs and I’m not even ashamed. Lol. Too bad they lost the momentum but it’s just how the cookie crumbles. Best of luck to them on this retry. ❤

[@renanalves3684]

I always try to stay at the idols' side, but the things Cheska said about famous groups and idols of her time, sound a bit envious for me. I mean, they got the money and fame she wanted. And for what? She did not benefit for those accusations.

[@KTzu213]

Thanks for your video. Fiestar was the first group that got me into Kpop. 😂

[@itsangeline]

i was literally in the middle of making a video abt fiestar when i heard about the comeback 😭 i unfortunately only got to know them right before their disbandment but i have only good memories with them and their song mirror has stuck with me throughout the years. i never would have expected their return but i’m so happy for them

[@all-kulture]

please share the link of your video whenever it’s ready, i’m craving fiestar content 😭

[@JoshuaAlto]

I love Fiestar, also I love the Black Label album, Both Apple Pie & You're Pitiful are some of my favorite songs of theirs. I so happy that they're reunited. ❤❤❤ I wish them the best for their careers moving forward. ❤❤❤

[@summerseazon]

The video was amazing as always, I hope your channel grows more and more 💙 By the way, could you make a video about the history of the group Dia? This group was a rollercoaster of emotions from start to finish and I would like to see someone talk about it since they are very nugu

[@all-kulture]

thank you so much 🥲🤍 yes i can :) thanks for the suggestion!

[@celestia..]

Cheska saying stuff to say stuff she's right her mental health is bad fr what reason do you have to attack people you don't even know

[@seraphinexo]

Fiestar, you always gonna be famous💖 But it makes noise to me, if u are gonna badmouth your former group thats up to you sis, your journey your thing i guess, but drag other artist that are doing their own thing and are not even in your actual radar is shady, didn't loved that lol Gooooorgeous vid as alwayssssssss, watched it drinking tea and eating bread 👐🏻✨

[@all-kulture]

😭🫶

[@Jaehyunzz]

I loved this video!! Your voice was so comforting!!❤

[@all-kulture]

happy you liked it 🫶 i wish that was my voice but it’s AI lol 😭 glad it sounds realistic

[@Jaehyunzz]

THAT WAS AI!? OH MY GOD!?​@@all-kulture

[@OTrizy]

first time i heard about fiestar was from Unpretty rapstar and Yezi's Mad Dog performance

[@LadyGagui]

they are grown up women now , they are doing their best for us to hear them again

[@W-I463]

Been following yezi for a while, I'm happy they're trying again

[@bvnditbul7039]

Yesss I love her song Home. I didn't know she was in fiestar.

[@Carolina-bw6gy]

When i became kpopper in 2018 i was SOOOO into fiestar their discography is gold. But then i guess at that year they already were disbanded and even their active years barely showed chemistry as a group in varieties and you could see more of Yezi in their final years. Of course, not all kpop groups are truly friends in real life but worked to deliver good work relationship and chemistry like Brown Eyed Girls perfect example About Fiestar reason for flopping. Well, for starters a small tier company. Not even the public support of IU managed to keep a HUGE fanbase/general public consumption, and their sales were low. Not only that, the company poorly paid them (I guess they werent even paid? Or im mixing with other nugu group?) barely promoted them, barely made world tours to catch international fans The feud among the members probably were resolved so that why they are doing a reunion. All the members are so talented, not only Yezi

[@all-kulture]

yes, fiestar was not payed. they only received monthly allowances

[@JustinBailey91]

I remember Hyolyn being pretty mean to Exy for no reason on Unpretty Rapstar so I believe that part at least.

[@nigelsy4427]

이게 이야기.. 후에 피에스타 녹음 노래한다!! 하지만 왜 우리 여전히 만들어 모든것!!

[@gregory_aep]

Cheska honestly gives me mixed reactions.

[@abc_jv_xyz]

There's no way Cheska was in the running to become the visual, she doesn't fit the beauty standards as much as the other girls. And the way she tried to throw Irene, Nayeon, Lisa and Hyolyn under the bus and just said random shit about random shit about other girl groups? So unnecessary and mean, she's not a girl's girl. I honestly wish she was sued.

[@marielcarey4288]

Wishing that is a bit much

[@abc_jv_xyz]

@@marielcarey4288 She slandered, disrespected and lied about people. How am I wrong for thinking she should face repercussions?

[@WomensIconn]

Cheska >>>

[@frankverisco4722]

That poster of them all sitting on the red carpet with the laundry detergent is still one of the hottest group photos ever.

[@keithsmith3840]

One thing that these K-pop groups all have in common I believe it's just total mismanagement by the companies. There needs to be even more awareness of bullying in Korea add harsher penalties such as maybe fines from the company. That's just an idea I don't know what the correct answer would be here. But I really think that these K-Pop Stars would hire personal agents or maybe a lawyer to represent them at all times that some of the stuff could be taken care of. I think if the fans are truly fans that they would hold the agencies responsible. But the question is how do you do that if you boycott the company then you hurt the artist that may not have been guilty of anything. Once again the people in charge or have the power to make decisions where do they find these corrupt individuals? There are some groups that get treated with dignity and are treated very well but there are other groups that debuted that were a good group and had great singers and dancers and plenty of visuals but their companies gave up on them because of revenue wasn't coming in immediately perfect example look at nine muses these girls were very talented and cast away or discarded by the management of their agency! And while the agency seems to make money regardless the singers make damn near nothing I think fiestar set a best when they said the company would give them pocket money

[@ababalalalaui9792]

oh cheska clocked leons tea

[@prajesticzz9968]

You forgot Mirror.

[@matheuzts]

🖤

[@ImTheKillaMonster]

okay I’m seated

[@ababalalalaui9792]

iu is sucha good sunbae fr😭

[@PikaChu-uz4su]

I don’t know why everyone is surprised that the majority of Kpop idols got plastic surgery. It’s a known fact and no it’s not “makeup and lighting” 😂

[@Jadegaming]

where is the catch at the end and where is it messy you mainly talked about content of twitch and didnt see all other media of that time

[@phil20_20]

There's lots more money to be made now. 😘😘🤑

[@pomegranateoats]

14:44 expecting your former members to reach out to you via apology while also sneak dissing them for an hour is something else

[@nicwinsteadart5330]

They can legally use Fiestar?

[@ViRrOorR]

Wait whatt theyre back??!

[@all-kulture]

yess :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5aTqJiBqaiGoLcsi=ujfD8XI6kfhnJaGB

[@AG-en5y]

❤❤

[@riffgroove]

Your claim that Fiestar had a "dedicated following" isn't entirely true. Both "Black Label" and "A Delicate Sense" sold barely 3,000 copies. I love the group, but I worry about them coming back with an old song that didn't do that well to begin with. On that note, if you claim to "stan" a group, then for the love of God, BUY THEIR ALBUMS. If you don't own a single album from a group you claim to support and they disband because of low sales, you have ZERO right to complain.

[@all-kulture]

i didn’t say dedicated following, i said loyal fan-base. i agree that people shouldn’t complain if they don’t help

[@AddiesKpop]

They still have fansites taking pics of them to this day... they were at music bank with them a week ago. They did have a very small loyal and dedicated fanbase. It unfortunately wasn't enough for them to keep going.

[@riffgroove]

@@AddiesKpop I did like the fact that the girls did specifically say that, despite the fact that they hardly earned any money at all, their label still treated them decently.

[@ababalalalaui9792]

yezi kinda messy 😹

[@a.s.5378]

Did exid not finance their last comeback them selves as well? 😅

[@all-kulture]

i’m not sure, someone already commented that but according to k-pop wiki their comeback was released under sony music

[@LaquetaHodge]

I think in their case, they bought the trademark for the EXID name & I believe release under a company.

[@ababalalalaui9792]

why was fiestar so messy

[@ababalalalaui9792]

jei kinda clock

[@UnicornzMilk]

Didn't exid self fund fire?

[@all-kulture]

according to k-pop wiki fire was released under sony music

[@elly1433]

is this narrated by ai? a lot of the pronunciations are off, even "tear up with joy," where you said it like tearing a paper instead of a tear droplet. please focus on things like that, it can take away credibility

[@all-kulture]

it is. i’m still learning english so i didn’t knew this,thanks for letting me know! i edited the part out.. could you please point out which other pronunciations are off? if you remember ofc

[@SBBunny93]

@@all-kultureyour English is fine and if it’s your second language it’s actually very strong. And your pronunciation is also strong. Don’t mind their thoughtless comment. There is no right or wrong way to inflect in an informative video! Keep up the good work!

[@diegomania20]

wait, so they just did a comeback without addressing Cheska's livestream remarks?

[@qsxsqsxs]

Does anyone know where to find Cheska's livestream? Has it all been deleted?

[@all-kulture]

yes

[@all-kulture]

in case no one recorded the full streams then yeah it has all been deleted :( i was only able to find some short clips

[@yazawanico5595]

@@all-kulturei know someone made a twitter thread years ago where they provided a play-by-play of the entire stream and basically summarized everything cheska said. i may have screenshots of it still on my old ipad but i would have to go back and check first to tell you for sure if i have the entire thing. i think i might also have a clip on there of her talking about hyolyn allegedly being rude to her when she was going to the bathroom and they happened to be there at the same time. if someone can reply to this and give me a reminder to come back i’ll look and see if i have them when im done working

[@yazawanico5595]

i think a couple years ago when the issue first broke jei and yezi responded but that was really all they did to address cheska’s accusations

[@Superfreaky2]

I do think kpop fans take plastic surgery to lenient. Especially when they say things like ‘they’re not hurting anyone by it, let them get plastic surgery if they want’. This may be true unless they go on to have children. If they get plastic surgery whilst knowing or wanting children in the future then they should be called out for it. Those children are not going to inherit your plastic surgery nose, they’ll inherit your actual nose. What about when they see old photos of you and question why mommy/daddy used to have a noss like them but why they dont anymore? They’ll find out that their parents did not like that nose and that will cause the child to be insecure and develop body dysmorphia and other issues. Basically what i’m getting at is that people who have plastic surgery should be people that don’t want kids.

[@full_of_gag]

I believe cheska

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