The Sopranos 2x13 Reaction

[@calypso4882]

I love that final montage. The happiness of Tonys family and friends smiling and enjoying each others company at Meadows graduation party intercut with some of the horrible.things they did (the empty Websistics office, Dave Scatino, the scam telephone cards, and finally Pussy under the sea.) to earn those smiles. I would almost call it cynical but its more complicated than that. Those smiles and that happiness is real, but tainted before we ever got there. Cant help but feel sadness about that, happy things that can never be truly happy.

[@ThatMessiFan10]

A very Godfather-esque ending montage.

[@sunbIind]

It's like the Wire final montages.

[@subosgotit]

You only get to watch this show for the first time once, but you'll always come back to it.

[@thomasfahey8763]

You never forget your first search warrant. That's something special.

[@_BangDroid_]

I wasn't even home when mine was issued. Dad had to deal with it all. Luckily cops weren't complete asses and only searched and seized in my bedroom. I didn't even know this happened until years later. Special not so much.

[@Lucas-st1xq]

@@_BangDroid_ maybe your second or third could be better

[@shaquilleburton1611]

Sopranos does have the best dreams because they're random like actual dreams.

[@MichaelM-uw3mk]

Mr. Robot did them slightly better imo

[@mamasaidknockyouout]

@@MichaelM-uw3mk mr robot had good dreams too, prefer the sopranos ones, they're better and way more nuanced

[@liteflightify]

@@MichaelM-uw3mk They had some great ones. But everything in that show became very hit and miss post season 1. Hannibal also did them well. But what makes Tony’s dreams standout is how much we thoroughly know this character and his psyche, and that the dreams are typically not just played for shock or pastiche sake ala Six Feet Under’s dream and fantasy sequences.

[@joaquinbaume1291]

@@MichaelM-uw3mk my dreams are more sopranos-like and lynchean, the mr robot ones aren't as subtle or accurate to me, but still great

[@treefingers6572]

​@@joaquinbaume1291gotta say though, the Mr. Robot dream I found most strikingly familiar and real (as in, I'd had dreams like it before), was that opiate withdrawal fever dream in season 1 that seamlessly flowed from previous scenes to appear as real as possible... then it culminated in Elliot believing he was going to a trap house to get his fix, trading morphine for getting shot up with heroin for the first time (neither are good to abuse, but heroin is definitely worse, especially IV), falling into a muffled, numbed state of bliss as some sketchy deal or argument goes wrong in the room across from him, resulting in a man drawing a gun and beginning to murder random people, with Elliot unable to react in time before he's also shot... all while that sickening, unnerving beat grows louder and more pronounced, as he slowly fades away, the TV flickering, noise around him still muffled by the effects of the heroin... Obviously some other, more surreal stuff happens after that, but that particular scene struck a really strong chord with me. See, I'm in recovery, and while I successfully resisted the idea of ever trying street drugs (probably the only rule I had that was keeping me alive at a certain point), opioid painkillers were my drug of choice, and kratom came after when I was no longer able to get painkillers. Kind of a side note, unrelated to drug or death dreams, but: Kratom can't easily kill you or cause respiratory depression like an opioid overdose, but it still wreaks havoc on the liver over time, and you'll get real used to throwing up from constantly having to take more to get that initial euphoric feeling, filling your stomach with the green sludge it is. I was eventually at a point where I was swallowing HANDFULS of kratom capsules at a time, my tolerance was insane. When I finally went to rehab (again) for kratom, the night I got there, I'd taken so much that it was literally affecting my vision. At high levels of kratom toxicity, your eyes start to do this "wobble" effect, rapidly moving left to right, right to left, but the movements are almost unnoticeably fast and small. But it's constant, uncontrollable, liable to make you nauseous and feel off-balance, causes you to step or reach for things with a jerky, uneasy motion, and eventually, it really fucks with your vision. I was literally getting to know everyone in there with me while we were on a smoke break, people coming up and introducing themselves, shaking my hand, and I couldn't see a single one of their god damned faces lol. I literally explained to them, "nice to meet you, if it looks like I'm looking at you in a weird way, it's because I took way too much fucking kratom, and my vision is blurred to shit. I won't actually see any of your faces until tomorrow morning." Just don't do the stuff, even if you've heard it's "safe" and "natural", it's still addictive as hell, and extremely similar to opiates both in the feeling it provides, and the addictive quality. Anyway, withdrawals from kratom are pretty shitty. Not as hellish as pills or heroin, I can only imagine, but you still get sick and deal with restless legs at night that keep you up. When you DO sleep, your dreams can be vivid as hell, since your brain is still basically coming back to full power and sensitivity. You might also end up using drugs in your dreams, because your mind still craves it. Now, I haven't had a withdrawal fever dream/hallucination like Elliot, thank God, but those early recovery dreams during normal sleep were still wild. While I hope I never find out how it actually feels to get shot and slowly fade to black, my dreams gave me what felt like a pretty fucking close to accurate idea of it. Even outside of withdrawals and months away from actual drug use, I've had both dreams where I use (and use drugs I never even tried, like heroin, I even "felt it" as though it actually entered my system), and dreams where I get shot or stabbed, then slowly die. The latter are always eerily realistic-feeling, because I see the gun pointed at me, realize I can't do anything to avoid it, panic and anticipate how it might feel, and end up feeling something like what people who've been shot in real life describe it feeling like: like getting punched in the chest with a white-hot hammer, knocking you on your ass and burning through you... then, in those dreams, as I lay on the floor, bleeding out, my vision slowly blurs, sound becomes more muffled and distant, and the pain fades away and gives way to an empty numbness. I almost feel like I'm actually leaving my body, before it goes dark completely, and I usually wake up after that. This is long-winded, I know, but I wanted to clearly illustrate why that Mr. Robot scene stood out to me as relatable and familiar, realistic even in its depiction of dreaming about your death. Granted, Elliot wasn't so much dreaming as he was hallucinating in a fever dreamlike state, but you get the point. Still, The Sopranos definitely more accurately depicts the randomness and sometimes symbolic nature of dreams, and I do like the Lynchian feeling of it a lot.

[@1ButtonDash]

Season 3 gets even better

[@Drose113tx]

Off the charts. I’m rewatching the series now and my jaw just keeps hitting the floor still

[@toxa35]

That’s debatable. I prefer the second simply because how consistent it is Last half of 3 season is amazing, but the first half is just endless soap opera

[@AJ0223]

No spoilers

[@richhenry8004]

Love how all the external people they flashed away to at the end sequence were people who were harmed by Tony. such a good use of contrast.

[@jcarlovitch]

Waste Management is a very dangerous job

[@cmd7930]

Thats a stereotype and its offensive!

[@suedehead00]

Love your reactions, ladies. Not to sound hyperbolic, but the Sopranos is the single greatest television show that has ever been aired. The writing and the acting are off the charts. Looking forward to future episode breakdowns, especially for "Employee of the month" and "Pine Barrens" (my personal favorite episode of the series)...

[@mamasaidknockyouout]

@@sg24336 the big 3 from HBO, Mad Men deserves a spot there too

[@deborahcornell171]

​@sg24336 I think "The Sopranos" is number 1 for me with "Deadwood" a close 2nd. "Rome" would come in 3rd & I'd give "Boardwalk Empire" an honorable mention. I also loved HBO's "Carnivale" but it only ran for two seasons. I think they were too hasty when they cancelled it. It was fascinating & so well acted by the whole cast. I've never watched "The Wire" or "Breaking Bad". Just never had the desire to watch either. But I'll probably give in & eventually give one or the other a go so I can join the rest of the Human race.😄

[@robertleeson1614]

I find the plane tickets very symbolic too. It feels like a careless slip Tony wouldn’t normally make - almost as if he’s handing his mother the gun. In a way, he’s subconsciously shifting the responsibility, trying to avoid the inevitable of having to kill Pussy, someone he loves and once trusted.

[@biglu323]

That Keith Richards Thru and Thru montage is so good it gives me chills .

[@calypso4882]

About your question at the beginning as to why Pussy decided to flip. IIRC he was looking at 30+ years which at his age (and bad health) is basically a very slow death sentence. I would simply guess that the constant anxiety of possibly being found out as a rat and killed by your friends isnt as bad as the very real possibility of spending the rest of your life behind bars, and that's really saying something. I cannot imagine my friends murdering me being a preferable option but here we are, between a rock and a hard place. As to whether his friends would look after his family if he stood tall, they may for a short while but I don't think 30.years of looking after them is gonna fly to be honest.

[@laurensb1b]

Exactly how Makazian explained it. Guys like Pus are the FBI's favourite target. Man with children who gets pinched for pushing heroin, 20+ years above his head. It's not about betraying his friends for Pus, its about not being able to be there to support his family and see his kids grow up. And yes obviously we've seen Pus be a horrible husband and father, but we don't know what he was like before he became an informant. Also in hindsight its kinda hilarious that we still never found out if they made a mistake with Jimmy.

[@calypso4882]

@@laurensb1b ha yeah it's a funny thing with Jimmy. If he wasn't an informant then he must have had a death wish cos he was doing everything in his power to make it look like he was 😂

[@rahulnegi3263]

​@@laurensb1bNo I think Jimmy was also the rat

[@shadycactus7896]

@@laurensb1bJimmy was 100% a rat. He was acting mad sus, and didn't even defend himself before getting shot

[@MichaelJordanTennisShoes]

Yeah but Pussy is only looking that that sentence because he was selling H on the side which is something Tony has outlawed.

[@burnout_2017]

You two are awesome, im having a lot of fun watching the two of you break down and analyze each episode, you both make some amazing observations about some of the subtleties of the various plotlines. Merry christmas and happy holidays from fla usa

[@raulguadalupe3489]

This was SO sad. David Chase , the creator of the show, said he regretted killing off a great character. But at the time? It made for great storytelling. They didn’t WANT to do it. They HAD to do it.

[@PunchDrunker]

I think it was the right move, in the end. Sil and Paulie wouldn't have gotten the same spotlight. Its just sad cause Vincent Pastore was like the first actor cast, everyone loved him. And when Chase made the dreaded house call to let him know, Pastore was crushed.

[@passwordprotectedd]

Dream #1: Tony has been diagnosed with a terminal disease and decides to immolate himself. (It’s as though Pussy’s betrayal is something cancerous, and an enormous sacrifice is necessary to get rid of it.) Just before he sets fire to himself, Tony asks, “Where’s Pussy?” Dream #2: Silvio repeats the Godfather line: “Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself.” A minute later, Tony shoots Paulie. (The true enemy is still hidden-Tony shoots the wrong guy.) Tony-still dreaming-heads to Dr. Melfi’s office where she and Italian beauty Annalisa (two women whom Tony finds attractive) merge into one. Dream #3: Tony asks Chris, Adriana and Furio where Pussy is. They drive off in a tiny car, perhaps to look for him. Dream #4: Back in Melfi’s office, references to Pussy and pussy merge together. When Tony says, “I got Pussy on the brain, I always do,” we can’t be sure which “pussy” he’s referring to. Dream #5: Full revelation finally comes when Pussy appears as a fish and confesses that he has been working for the FBI. Dream #6: In a 10-second sequence, Tony and his family sit down at the dinner table and celebrate his purchase of a boat and Meadow’s decision to go to Columbia University. (Now that he has rooted out and squashed Pussy’s betrayal, his family and his lifestyle are safe once again. So safe, in fact, that the scene looks and sounds like something out of Leave it to Beaver rather than the typical Soprano dinner marked by sarcasm and backbiting.)

[@K4rna-YT]

Great analysis. Thanks for the perspective

[@shoehead65]

Awesome breakdown. Pretty spot on

[@jmwild1]

I like that Sil is wearing what Al Pacino was wearing in a famous scene in Godfather 3.

[@juampi99990]

Sopranos changed me

[@StoyanStefanov-bm7ri]

Sopranos is a fuc*in religion

[@mik9napkin598]

Yeah. Before, and WAY before.

[@LateCambrian]

Honestly, this is the first true masterpiece of The Sopranos... from this point forward there are episodes that are the best ever made.... Season 3-6 are insane...

[@Gaboxxy96]

Nah, to me the second season is the best. The rest of the show is obviously very good though.

[@LateCambrian]

@@Gaboxxy96 2 is great, but I'm a fan of the Richie plot line....

[@jameskozy7254]

​@@Gaboxxy96 Season 4 is gold

[@postshanna]

Nothing wrong with tearing up during Thru and Thru. It’s so good. I remember watching that final sequence for the first time and determining this was my favorite show ever.

[@jmwild1]

Tony's dreams are always fascinating to me. It's our only shot at really gaining insight into who Tony is as a person.

[@superskrull4479]

11:05 you ladies pay good attention, it’s awesome.

[@bizumitz]

In this series, the topic of criminal money is one of the most interesting. Livia has all Johnny's money, there's at least a million, but Tony buys her tickets, she lives modestly, etc. In the end, who gets all the money that Johnny earned? Do you think Libya will say a word about them? Tony is also always hiding money from his family. As a result, the government will find them after a hundred years, dismantling houses.

[@BeyondBasedIRL]

Edie Falco accepting her Emmy Awards (2000) is peak Carmela Soprano. Truly a princess

[@philmakris8507]

One thing that one has to keep reminding oneself in interpreting the Sopranos is that there is no honor among thieves.

[@nc1609]

4:09 Pussy was dealing heroin on the side, continuing even after Tony and Jackie Snr told him it was too risky and he should come to them if he needed money. That's kind of betraying the family by itself, but I think Tony still would've looked after his family if Pussy just told him though.

[@richardpearce4988]

David Chase himself in episode commentaries and other interviews has said that he views the ideas of the mob family looking out for each other and notions of honour etc as ultimately not true, and that mobsters are ultimately selfish. The mob system itself in the Sopranos is supposed to be reflective of the worst parts of Corporate America - loyalty is generally temporary and one way when it's ever in place (see also your viewing of the Wire...).

[@MrMulligan7]

Stunning was right. This show was a once in a lifetime show.

[@seanbumstead1250]

In the mafia when he said I am going to propose you means to have Christopher a made man. The families keep the number of made members at a low number so they kind of have to confer if they should open the books

[@caiohott5044]

Take me to the river, drop me in the water 🐟🎤

[@lowruna]

I love this reaction channel hugh emotional / social intelligence.

[@nolabrah]

Finally caught up with this reaction series. Glad you are enjoying this series so far!

[@aisle_of_view]

He's having food poisoning all night and he goes out to buy a boat the next morning.

[@johnkeros9109]

Gonna argue now?

[@gilbertallard306]

For the first time, we see Meadow explicitly put her family first. “Fuck my friends if they judge. I’ll cut them off”. It would have been great to see Tony’s reaction upon hearing her.

[@shaquilleburton1611]

This was like Bodie and Poot killing Wallace in the wire for snitchin.

[@atlearbuds]

I love that you guys completely get the show. I hope you do Mad Men.

[@lrob5657]

The sopranos literally changed the way we watched TV forever

[@bkboy2384]

Shows an absolute masterpiece

[@ThommyUnderhill]

Has anyone given yall a trigger warning about season 3 episode 4? If not I just wanted to relay that information. Heavy stuff. I apologize if this seems like a spoiler but it feels right to give a heads up.

[@MichaelM-uw3mk]

They watched that episode like a month ago but thanks anyways I guess.

[@ThommyUnderhill]

@ for some reason I feel that “I guess” was not a necessary addition to your comment, but thanks for letting me know how far ahead they are. Cheers

[@luciolamonica]

21:00 - that's classic Bossa Nova from the 1967 album by Frank Sinatra and Tom Jobim! what a pleasant way to Big Mouth Billy Bass sleep with the fishes!

[@kartikchandrasekhar7393]

The show gets better as it goes on. You will LOVE Season 3!

[@MichaelM-uw3mk]

You think they will love 3x4 and 3x6? Interesting.

[@kartikchandrasekhar7393]

@@MichaelM-uw3mk I'm thinking... the latter. BUT I know they'll love 3x10 and 3x11.

[@jacobamidon3114]

3x4 is one of the best sopranos episodes

[@kartikchandrasekhar7393]

@@jacobamidon3114 Agreed. It's a heavy one too.

[@sacredcoww]

Put everything else on hold and binge The Sopranos!!!

[@jens2049]

Bro

[@tvaddict6623]

Sopranos is a show about psychology and the interpretation of dreams, with a bit of supernatural peppered in. It just happens to be centered around a crime family. 😊

[@tristansummerall2346]

And it only gets better

[@ukunboxings2242]

I have watched a few reactions to The Sopranos on KZbin, i feel not everybody pays attention to it, but you two do. 👍

[@johnkeros9109]

Sopranos suggests the mob family will take care of wife/kids of a wacked associate. But in real life, a former mob boss (Michael Franzese) said this isn't the case.

[@joejoejoes333]

Please watch “The Godfather” and “Goodfellas” asap. Many references and insights to this great show

[@benjamineugenioduranvaldes9670]

When you see episode 2 of season 6, oh my god how I want you to get there

[@gonzalomatias215]

Tony has antisocial personality disorder but therapy seems to do him good and that's why he suffers the loss of his friend, not so much his betrayal, that is the sadness that is observed in him.

[@RedOutlaw1911]

So here’s the thing I never finished the show. I started watching it about a year ago and watched it off and on till season 5 episode 2 so I restarted it and am on season 4 again and season 3 is by far my favorite so far

[@boppityboopy114]

I always get a kick out of the inside of the boat being bigger than the boat

[@aleidapinon]

Yes, Meadow is going to Columbia :)

[@gregsgoogle2947]

Compare the last words Pus & Mathew said just before their execution to what Jimmy said just before he was executed. Seems clear that Tony made a mistake killing Jimmy as he was not a rat. A guilty person will lie thru their teeth believing they can maybe still con their way out of being executed. Jimmy was genuinely shocked when he was confronted with his death. At 1st he tried to pull rank... “did you forget I’m a captain!!” Then it hit him what was about to happen & he didn’t deny or bargain or lie to try & save himself. He was so shocked he just said “oh God”. Always examine a man’s final words before his execution if your wondering about his guilt or innocence. All the clues are in the last words they utter when they know it’s their last words on earth.

[@williamroper5422]

Nah Jimmy was also a rat.

[@dejanstosic624]

You should see Not Today, Pal. Its Meadow and A. J. ' s podcast, its really good.

[@MichaelM-uw3mk]

How about after they finish the show? Jeez

[@philmakris8507]

A split personality is a far different thing than suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Don't over think it or give these characters so too much credit for self awareness and native intelect. You can't Melphi these characters

[@jameskozy7254]

This is a major turn for Tony. Clipping his close friend pushed him further down his dark road.

[@DarthOblivious7891]

He was at the precipice of an enormous crossroad.

[@MichaelM-uw3mk]

These are the types of comments that cause them to not interact on YT. Breadcrumb spoilers and trying to shape their expectations. Low IQ post.

[@Ribamario9]

15:13 Godfather reference

[@edgarflor6433]

There is one particular character I can't wait for you guys to see in Season 3. You guys are going to lose it.

[@_RM99]

4 dollars a pound

[@clauraus9050]

15:19 last episode ahh commentary

[@BonzoDrummer]

Daredevil when?

[@IDM999]

Anyways, 4 dollars a pound

[@Victor-vx9nu]

well done, girls

[@clarktownsend8991]

Season 3 is my favorite

[@philmakris8507]

🐟

[@ColmPadraig]

"Wondered about that Chicken, it'll been a f**king Cocker spaniel".

[@mrpink8862]

Please react to Mad Men. Same level of writing and acting and directing as The Sopranos,Breaking Bad ,BCS and The Wire.🙏

[@aalamiyah5581]

10000%

[@sargantfrosty]

Attack on Titan mentioned 🤌

[@SleepParty30]

I have a very important question . . . wtf is that drink you two are always having in those glass cups? Is it coke? Coffee? Dark beer? I am curious beyond belief.

[@williamroper5422]

My guess is just soda of some kind. Most euros drink it without ice.

[@SushiBandit28]

Watching these guys get emotional over scummy mafia old-heads is actually kinda hilarious

[@Animationxxw]

I cant handle you girls watching 3x4

[@MichaelM-uw3mk]

They were legit traumatized and you can see they don't enjoy the show as much after

[@tricko8000]

⁠@@MichaelM-uw3mkTbh I was also fucked up after that episode and 3x6 lol. The shows gets dark af suddenly, and you need some adjusting to it, but then it's very enjoyable again.

[@Animationxxw]

@ not even for edie falcos amazing peformance in 4x13?

[@laurensb1b]

I'm not the biggest fan of information being revealed to characters through dreams or visions. And yes you can argue that Tony already had plenty of clues to put the information together himself, but the reveal that one of his closest friends betrayed him is huge character moment. To just get that revealed from a fever dream comes across as too much of a plot convenience to me. Like they just ran out of things to do with Pus so they had to come up with some way for Tony to find out. It's the same with Isabella in season 1. Tony needs to have some information about his mother, so they just conjure up an imaginary character that explains everything. Anyway, $4 a pound

[@MrTomlette]

But it's not really information what's being revealed to him, a part of him already knew. In both instances, he has enough information to have huge suspicions, he just refuses to deal with it consciously. The dream isn't telling him new things, it's telling him to own up to what he already knows.

[@passwordprotectedd]

I think a Jungian analysis of his dreams is more appropriate. " …people say “What the fuck are these dreams doing in my gangster movie?” Well, from the get-go, this is a story about psychology…so much of psychotherapy has to do with dreams. But because it’s a psychological show, the dreams often have to be interpreted. Because they have to carry a point. And so: “Funhouse.” That came about because I couldn’t bear the fact that we were going to have to do some kind of procedural in which Tony found out Pussy was a rat. Like he was going to have to call up some cop, or some guy would come to him and then he’d follow up on the lead. And they’d stake out Pussy’s house. And they’d follow him to the FBI. Blah, blah. I fucking would have wanted to kill somebody. So I thought, “How can he just know it?” Can’t we skip all that crap?" - David Chase

[@shadycactus7896]

Who tf is Isabella

[@laurensb1b]

@@passwordprotectedd Thank you for that perspective. It's really interesting to see David Chase's thought process behind the decision.

[@gregsgoogle2947]

Maybe you’re not seeing that Tony never actually had food poisoning or fever dreams. He was having a massive crash of depression from ignoring the truth about Pus. The clue Tony was having the mother of all panic attacks & not sick was the words he mumbled after his 1st dream... “everything is all black... life is a big nothing”... etc. Carm helped him suppress this severe depression by blaming his mom for these dark thoughts. So Tony tried again to bury his depression deep inside but this time his subconscious wasn’t having it & reacted violently to force him to deal with hard truths.

[@BobRyansaul]

Intros are 😢

[@maxicam5980]

Why didn't they watch Arcane?

[@edgarflor6433]

They are at their patreon

[@MichaelM-uw3mk]

To annoy you, specifically.

[@mebarkiimad8999]

They cut out "SHE WAS ABUSIVE TO THE SATFF 🤌" , I repeat: They cut out "SHE WAS ABUSIVE TO THE SATFF 🤌"