The Sopranos 3x04 Reaction

[@joshhayko9422]

One of the harshest episodes of television ever... and one of the best episode endings ever, true Sopranos writing style to deny the audience satisfaction when we want it most.

[@orangewarm1]

thanks for that

[@GeneralZodFDNY77]

So, yeah. The guy who played Jesus Rossi is a good friend of mine, Mario Polit. We work together in the New York City Fire Department the last 20+ years. He's a Lt now. We've busted his balls over the years that he is probably one of the most hated Sopranos characters. He takes it in stride. Him being such a great guy in real life made watching that scene real tough for a long time.

[@computersurgeon_]

Yeah that's called acting

[@onepureturtle]

Reminds me of how Vince Gilligan would always say "what a sweet guy" about every actor who played a cartel murderer on BB and Saul.

[@MolotovRebellion]

@@computersurgeon_ some people have a hard time separating the actor from the character.

[@merkitten953]

Tell him hi from a huge Sopranos fan for me please! Hated his character ofc but love the show and appreciate all the actors :) 💗

[@JadenFowler-j1l]

​@@computersurgeon_ really stating the obvious aren't we.

[@easy0828]

Massive respect for Melfi for not getting the mafia involved here. Everybody who reached out to them in a low point of life, got to regret that decision later on.

[@lanagievski1540]

My impression of Melfi in this episode is that she feels a sense of power in that she could easily tell Tony and he’d absolutely do something about it, but she doesn’t because she understands that would cross the line. She’s satisfied in knowing that she COULD, and that’s enough for her.

[@IrvingSerrano-rl3iu]

That’s what she said, but also she felt bad about maybe ruining Tony’s progress with the behavioral therapy before it even started, that’s why she cried.

[@holger1590]

​@@IrvingSerrano-rl3iu Or she cried because she was abused😅

[@gilbertallard306]

“You wanna say something?” (pause) “No.” Brilliant writing. All the weight of the emotional confession to her therapist was behind that “No”.

[@Jimbow-sz9kh]

For any videogame players in these comments.. i feel the whole "no" and then cut to credits inspired the ending to Last of Us 1 low-key. Reverse the roles and it's just a powerfully acted major lie, a simple "no" and straight to black before credits roll

[@flerbus]

Last of us last words was OK

[@אוריהשי-י1ר]

No music ‏

[@philmakris8507]

Johnny Sack is an amazing character

[@Gaboxxy96]

People usually give all the praises to James Gandolfini, and understandably so, the man was an amazing actor. That said, in my controversial opinion, Vincent Curatola as Johnny Sack delivered the best acting performance in the whole show, or at least my favorite one. The dude killed it in almost every scene he was in.

[@ParchedPinemarten]

@@Gaboxxy96Agreed

[@flobster]

@@Gaboxxy96 I quote "everybody's got a GODDAMNED OPINION" so many times it's unreal

[@Gaboxxy96]

@@flobster my favorite is “what’s this? THE FUCKING U.N NOW!?”

[@kahlbutomacfarland]

If no one else mentioned it, the performances in the final scene, just perfection. Gandolfini wearing the black and his posture mimicking a concerned dog, so goddamn great.

[@grandehefe68]

The "No" is so powerful

[@JoaquinStick]

Other people have probably said this on the previous episodes, but the darker tonal shift in the season was definitely intentional. David Chase, the creator, thought that the audience was starting to get a little too comfortable with the gangsters and this season was meant to show more of the harsh realities.

[@foreignmilk]

the police had to let the guy go because they lost chain of custody of a piece of evidence, meaning they misplaced it and couldnt account for its wherabouts for a period of time. the reason it is sigificant is because in court, when evidence is introduced, it comes with its record of custody which both prosecution and defense have access to. if a defense attorney reviewed the logs of a piece of evidence and saw it was lost for a period of time, they could argue that it was tampered with in some sort of way to prove guilt while it was missing, abd it could not be disproven because no one knows where it was at while it was missing.

[@dmthandmade5674]

Dr Melfi would have never been able to live with it if she told Tony. There's only one thing he would do, and there's only one outcome from that in the long run. It is completely opposite to everything she stands for, everything she believes and holds dear. Eventually she would be devastated by the guilt. It would ruin her life to the point that eventually she'd go to the police, and then she'd be a problem, and we know how Tony handles problems. Regardless, that moment when she thought about it, weighed it in her mind and said 'No'. That was her taking back some of what the POS on the stairs stole from her. Choosing not to let Tony bring street justice is her really taking back her power. Knowing she could do it but not doing it, as she says herself, that as much as anything helps her to heal.

[@DigitalBath306]

"how about that fucking stampede in Zimbabwe" Paulie has the best lines

[@r_bear]

eh heheheheheh

[@TTuning7]

one of the most disturbing scenes i’ve seen

[@koll]

I like that it doesn't sugar-coat it. There's no cut away where it's just implied. You see it and it's beyond graphic, but it happens just like that and it's hard to watch.

[@user-cc2ke4yy3i]

I felt so sick after watching this episode for the first time, ugh it’s so brutal

[@willgenre]

that "no" at the end hits everytime. one of the best episodes.

[@vincentdawn9689]

The wisest decision she could have made was to say "No".

[@Ryfly15]

Chiming in on the conversation about translating Italian phrases. It’s okay for a lot of one-liners and Italian slang to go over your head, you can usually tell the type of insult it is based on context clues. In future seasons, some Italian conversations will be subtitled/translated, and some slang gets explained directly by characters.

[@Manuel-xj2jn]

I got the impression that you don't remember that Johnny Sack appears since season 1!!

[@daz1161]

at carmela and tonys anniversary

[@ThommyUnderhill]

@@daz1161and juniors boss party when the FBI is introduced

[@milanr1751]

& the card game in the motel with Richie & David

[@jackbrereton7286]

Season 3 is when he becomes a significant character

[@phild8761]

He really wasn't around much until this season.

[@SuperRainbol]

One of the things that separate sopranos and other high level shows is how they put these completely cataclysmically moments in the beginning or middle of the episode. Most shows put the big events at end of the episodes to serve as a hook, but by putting it in the beginning the show forces you to live with the fucked up situation and watch how the characters react and how life goes own

[@JoaquinStick]

Yeah, same with the overall pacing of each season. Definitely helps keep things from being predictable too.

[@dilwitchspahlin4761]

Umm, did you watch the Wire? The Wire did that all the time too

[@SuperRainbol]

@@dilwitchspahlin4761 yeah, I said that Sopranos was the only show to do that so your comment makes complete sense

[@tobeornottobe5611]

I feel the show is paced this way because of its more episodic nature, similar to The Wire. While most premium adult television is much more serialized and has been for years now.

[@passwordprotectedd]

Some notes - David Chase on this episode- " If you’re raised on a steady diet of Hollywood movies and network television, you start to think, ‘Obviously there’s going to be some moral accounting here.’ That’s not the way the world works. It all comes down to why you’re watching. If all you want to see is big Tony Soprano take that guy’s head and bang it against the wall like a cantaloupe…The point is Melfi, despite pain and suffering, made her moral, ethical choice and we should applaud her for it. That’s the story." "The female body is a subliminal topic of narrative in this episode. In the segue directly after Melfi learns her attacker has been set free, there is a brief scene in which the screen is visually dominated by the nearly nude forms of strippers in the Bada Bing…The message of this segue is perfectly clear. This is the social compact. Women may dance naked with thugs and goons nearby to protect them. Men may watch only if they mind their manners and offer money in homage…The strippers of the Bada Bing are valuable: they make money. Yet they are the property of the Bada Bing while they are in residence. In their assent to being viewed as property of the strip club, they need never fear rape or violence (at least within the club). " "Roche notes that women are portrayed in a variety of ways within this episode. Adriana appears at Vesuvio in a tight red dress that would capture the attention of any man. Ginny Sacrimoni, first introduced in this episode, has a body that also captures men’s attention, but in quite the opposite way-the guys laugh at her and try to top each other’s “fat jokes.” Melfi herself runs the gamut of seductiveness: early on, she’s dressed in a sharp, sexy business suit; at home with Richard, she wears comfy clothes; after the shock of Jesus’ release, she turns into a frumpy woman. (Becoming unattractive is a way of protecting herself from another attack, notes Roche.)" One of the most problematic issues between Tony and Melfi during their therapy sessions is his oath of omerta-he can’t truly open up to her if he is to live by the Mob’s rules. The tables have turned in this episode: it is Melfi who must remain silent if she is to live by the rules of her society-she must not mention one word about the rape to Tony Soprano. The line from Gladiator that Ralphie repeats connects to this idea of Melfi gaining her soul: “What we do in life echoes through eternity.” "One thing I found really interesting about this episode was how, like most characters in The Sopranos, even the rapist is humanized somewhat. He’s a some random guy working at a restaurant and even more, he’s Employee of the Month. It’s a strange thing to consider, that a person who could do something so awful is even celebrated in other walks of life. From a viewer’s perspective you can see how this is possible but from Melfi’s it must seem like such an outrage, maybe downright disturbing."

[@maybeitsyou1317]

Allowing a guy like that free to feel good about yourself isn't what I would call moral or ethical. Sounds pretty for people that sniff their own farts tho.

[@bumfricker2487]

@@maybeitsyou1317 it's more than a simple "trolley problem" you know, do you kill the rapist without consequence or not. As one should consider the danger he poses to other women (and not just Melfi's feelings of safety) one should also consider what effect telling Tony about what happened to her, such that he would likely "take care of it," would have on her life. She'd become an accessory to a crime, and would become more intimately involved with Tony and his lifestyle (so, if she ever feels guilty about getting a man killed and confesses to it, that also involves Tony) - even if her role were never found out by the law, the combination of being a criminal and "owing" Tony would probably be enough to destroy her identity as therapist. There's another factor too, for those who watched the rest of the episode: she'd be giving Tony and the mob power, over her life and more generally, as 'justified' vigilantes and there's also a question of how protective of women that power structure actually is... *Ralph Cifaretto* plays a very prominent role in this episode and season. Sure Tony would likely kill Jesus Rossi for reasons I'd consider justified (avenging/protecting Melfi), and maybe you wouldn't consider Tony himself a rapist depending on how much of an adult you consider Irina, but the way these men treat (incl. how they speak about) the women around them is certainly, and I would say very intentionally highlighted here and throughout the show.

[@ColmPadraig]

​​@@maybeitsyou1317 Agreed. They love to pat themselves on the back and tell everyone how much more enlightened they are for doing nothing. It's truly pathetic

[@hurley31]

@@maybeitsyou1317 Just like people like you pretend it's about justice and safety rather than old fashioned bloodlust.

[@maybeitsyou1317]

@@hurley31 Nah it's more like pest control. Then bloodlust. You know what the guy did, you know he will do it again. You want to do nothing to maintain your arrogance then it's on you. But you don't get to pretend it was a moral or ethical choice.

[@MrTomlette]

It's interesting how many layers the episode has. The story works as a way to recontextualize Melfi's reasons to stick around Tony, while exploring her moral strength (and somehow still add nuance by the mere fact that she had resolved to push him away, and now she can't do that); the Janice storyline serves almost as an inverted parody (she's also attacked, but no one cares), there's issues of objectification and vigilitantism, hints at how Melfi perceives her identity in the dream sequence, and all the while the ongoing themes/plot of the season keep going on in the background.

[@darth856]

Janice also called Tony and told him what happened, which means he is going to be forced to get payback (even though the whole thing was really Janice's fault). She's basically the anti-Melfi.

[@thewhatness]

One of the hardest episodes to watch of the series, with one of the most powerful uses of the word "no."

[@gregsgoogle2947]

Is this the 1st episode that cuts to black at the end in order to emphasize a point?? It’s the 1st time I noticed them using this cut to black ending effect on the show.

[@ismokkekkush420]

In America, there are usually no subtitles when Italian is spoken. This is also how it aired when the show first came out.

[@tsogobauggi8721]

31:31 "No."

[@youness4247]

closer and closer to Pine Barrens 😂

[@Gaboxxy96]

Even the creator of the show, David Chase, said he doesn't understand why AJ was so hated. In his view, it's just normal teenage behaviour for the most part.

[@russellward4624]

He's incredibly lazy, entitled, dumb, he regularly gaslights his parents to get his way. I mean, I can't think of a single positive thing about him.

[@Al-ji4gd]

@@russellward4624 Oh, so a regular teen, then.

[@russellward4624]

@Al-ji4gd speak for yourself.

[@Gaboxxy96]

@@russellward4624 If you weren't like that to at least some extent, then you're the one that entirely missed an important stage of development and emotional growth, which can translate into becoming highly judgemental, disagreeable and arrogant in adulthood, among other things.

[@SutekhDaSteemroller]

maybe rich white surburban behavior because that wasn't normal for me who is a 1st gen Trini immigrant or any of my black or latino friends growing up. We all had to work soon as we legally could.

[@felipebattisti8507]

Some argue that by not telling Tony about the assault, Dr. Melfi failed to make the morally correct choice, as leaving her attacker free might allow him to harm others. But I think this perspective misses the deeper point and moral dilemma the episode presents. The Sopranos is fundamentally a show about testing the morality of its characters-and its viewers. Every main character has, in some way, "made a deal with the devil." Tony, Carmela, Christopher-they’ve all made choices we might sympathize with, but those choices ultimately damn them. In many ways, Tony himself represents that devil. By not using Tony for revenge, Melfi makes an incredibly powerful and principled choice. She rejects that deal, refusing to entangle herself in his world. If she had gone down that path, she wouldn’t just compromise her own morality-she’d be giving Tony a dark, unspoken power over her. Their therapeutic relationship would be poisoned, locking her into a dynamic she could never escape. Melfi’s decision isn’t just about morality; it’s about maintaining her autonomy and resisting the corruption that defines so many others in Tony’s orbit.

[@punishedfist]

As a younger man when i watched this episode at the time of release, i remember being frustrated and not understanding why Melfi didnt tell Tony. It was only years later as i matured a bit, that i fully agree with her. While i do think that in terms of justice or ethics, on the face of it getting revenge is warranted or fair, the pracricality of getting mixed up and essentially in debt to Tony would be a terrible idea.

[@DarthOblivious7891]

Plus, she would have been the prime suspect if the rapist was hurt. Then they would have found out her patient is Tony Soprano and got on his back.

[@MAX-de8fe]

i was frustrated because it felt like a wasted opportunity to explore new avenues for Dr. Melfi and Tony. Her decision makes sense, and I appreciated the way the show keeps you guessing what might happen, but it felt like there wasn't a satisfying payoff to that subplot. Sometimes I don't want to see a character make the practical decision. I wanted to watch her get revenge and see how her character changes as she starts to toe the line into more unethical behavior.

[@RandomsPage]

@@MAX-de8fe The "No" at the end was the satisfying payoff. It's my favorite line of the entire show and perfectly encapsulates the character. The way she even said it is one of the most badass moments in the entire series. A revenge subplot would have been so Hollywood and absolutely would have ruined the dynamic.

[@MAX-de8fe]

@@RandomsPage The revenge is the entire reason the subplot stayed interesting. If it was too hollywood, then why did the show want you to think it was going to happen? Melfi was close to doing it. Part of her wanted to do it. Her decision to tell Tony would not have been 'hollywood'. It makes just as much sense as her decision to say "no". She would not be joining the mafia and teaming up with Tony. She is deciding whether or not to tell Tony that her r*pist is still on the street. She wouldn't even need to ask Tony to get revenge. It would be one decision to tell him, tony would get revenge on his own, neither of them would speak of it again. That sounds so "hollywood" and campy.

[@mikaltima]

When this episode originally aired I remember my wife and I screaming at Melfi "TELL HIM"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mik9napkin598]

Exactly. It's so tempting. Very human.

[@chrisbuck96]

The fact that Melli was able to hold back and keep her morals in place to not tell Tony about what happened is amazing. And she literally says it “ there’s no greater satisfaction of knowing I can literally take this dude out” and she feels like if she did tell Tony she would always owe him something

[@orangewarm1]

Nothing to do with owing. It's do with what is right and the social compact.

[@kahlbutomacfarland]

@@orangewarm1meh, I know this is what the writers are going for, but what is “right”? He’s going to rape again. If he’s gone, that saves at least one victim. That’s more “moral” imho and a net positive for the world.

[@NoellaScott]

"Fun's over" oh, indeed

[@orangewarm1]

Everything is in the subtext. David chase said: 1. The Sopranos is about people who lie to themselves 2. No one ever says what they mean. Just like life.

[@_RM99]

Fun Fact: apparently Lorraine Bracco's Dad was yelling "Tell him!" at the TV during that scene with Melfi and Tony at the end.

[@charlieg2262]

Can’t imagine how it must feel for a father to have to watch the scene in the car park, even knowing it’s obviously just a TV show

[@oslafoirausuebutuoy5457]

I watched this show when I was young, and there were a few episodes that affected me for a long time afterwards. This was one of them, and another one of the toughest ones was from in this season as well, if I remember correctly, so prepare yourselves.

[@scottboswell6406]

Dr. Melfi's best episode? Definitely one of them. She endures a nightmare experience, but then has to fins a path to survive it. I feel at the end, she emotionally sees her need to just have Tony in her life but like a security blanket. She doesn't need him, but for now feels empowered just having him close. That she was strong enough to NOT say anything in the end is SOO Tough!!

[@J4ME5_]

yeah, editing the frame first and making sure everything is at the same frame rate is KEY. I use a program called handbrake

[@susanmoschini4453]

I have been enjoying the depth of your Sopranos reaction.. a pleasure to watch.

[@bogdananicescu6051]

I present you exhibit no 124 why this show is the greatest ever

[@K4rna-YT]

The Sopranos rule over New Jersey and Carmine’s family (That Jonny sack is from) rules New York

[@KJT4888]

I love the immediate reaction at the end with the "what is this season" 🤣💚 Yeah this season is straight 🔥 all the way around. Whenever I rewatch this show I watch a lot of season 3 but this episode is one I have barely ever rewatched. There is really only a few episodes I do not enjoy that much when it comes to rewatching. I have probably seen this episode less than any other by far. Other episodes because they're kinda uneventful but this one because of the plot.

[@beedoggs]

Def one of the darkest TV episodes ever released especially for it’s time, depictions of SA is always brutal

[@Quixotic1018]

Every time you had said that the therapy sessions cut way too short every episode kept building up THIS episode because of how it ended. Whenever I see this episode I keep going back and forth between Melfi's "no" as in "no I'm not going to use my position for my benefit (to herself)" to "no, don't go to behavioral modification therapy (to Tony)." Once they introduced that gray morality to the Melfi character in this way, I knew these showrunners were all the way in on this type of television.

[@raikomimura7537]

Johnny Sack is the best character in The Sopranos. By the way, an interesting aspect of this episode is the comparison between Tony and the dog. This is emphasized when we hear Melfi say 'sit down' to Tony, as if she's speaking to an animal. This is the greatest series of all time by far

[@ashutoshmisra4]

A few episodes from now is when i stopped watching this show because it was impacting me too much. This was definitely one of the most terrifying episodes. I put this alongside the second season ep5 of peaky blinders, those scenes have traumatized me the most

[@NoirFan84]

Let me guess, the University episode?

[@aj897]

I mean it was also expected that men earn all the money and work for their families, not saying raising kids is easy but compared to some jobs, it’s heaven. I feel like you’re convinced that having a family is some sort of burden lol.

welcome to feminism where women are taught to be anti-biology

[@davidg5506]

Property taxes. You gotta pay those.

[@seanbumstead1250]

Their are 5 mob families in New York and one small one in New Jersey in real life,in the tv show they changed the names.In real life New Jersey is Dimeo.

[@BuzzznFrog]

They’re decalvacante

[@KingRichard1013]

This is such genius writing at the end, denying the audience satisfaction for once us wanting to see Tony really kill somebody. And that’s what’s so awesome about the show is it’s going to give you this love-hate relationship with all the characters. Especially Tony there’s gonna be episodes where you’re rooting for him and especially this episode like you really want to see him tear that guy apart because we all know he would but that’s the thing Melfi didn’t want to cross that line.

[@scoobysnak07]

That NO is when I really felt The Sopranos really hit legendary status

[@akko3848]

Top 5 endings of the show

[@AK-pw3oq]

King of New York is here

[@playermartin286]

It’s such brilliant writing it’s actually insane

[@51TGM71]

Dr.Melfi is totally uncorruptable, such a powerful episode.

[@schneblen]

Everytime i watch this episode i always skip the rape scene. Her screams legit haunt me. Melfi is THE strongest character in the whole show. She has the opportunity to take revenge and decides that its just not worth it. She spends the whole episode powerless and she takes back all her power with that simple "No". Because if she did it she would be indebted to Tony and as its shown many times throughout the show, once indebted to a mafioso you never get to leave.

[@masterost1994]

Bunch of sillybillys in the comments.

[@quantumdark6481]

Y aún falta la historia de Tracee

[@philmakris8507]

It will reoccur

[@kairosalgo2906]

Uno de los tantos momentos donde David Chase nos enrrostra y advierte sobre el tipo de personas que hemos estado siguiendo a lo largo de la serie. Son momentos muy muy duros.

[@navykid97]

I still wish she would have told Tony

[@Daklon38]

Wait for episode 11 … the best episode of the season

[@hakimja7747]

RED IS BACK, LET'S GOO

[@WiseGuy5674]

Question: how do you not recognize Johnny Sacrimoni after 2 full seasons? He’s Carmines underboss from NYC and was present in many scenes going back to season one.🤔😶

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

I mean on paper it's a noble thing what Melfi did and she was strong in pushing away her pulsion of revenge. However we live in a society that punishes the Evil or those commiting Evil acts. And the grapist could not be punished cause of a mistake made by the law. So in my opinion it was fair game for him to receive vigilante justice and possibly die from it. Esp. since this monster could do it again to other women.

[@shadycactus7896]

That's true, but Melfi would become indebted to Tony, which would never end well

[@darth856]

If he did it again, hopefully the stupid cops didn't bungle the case that time.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@shadycactus7896 maybe it could be a unique situation. Like for instance when Tony had her car repaired, she did not owe him anything afterward. He did it only to help her back then and did not expect anything in return. Like a friend helping a friend.

[@vuyanijamamkele8319]

​@johnnyskinwalker4095 He had her car fixed because he was trying to get into pants at the time, if you remember.

[@asianfidance2224]

That's not Melfi's responsibility. She did her part according to her principles and morality, while the law failed their part. Blaming Melfi because Rossi might potentially assault another woman is basically victim blaming.

[@leonthesleepy]

still one of the hardest scenes to watch...

[@jens2049]

Youre not supposed to get any pleasure out of watching this. Life aint all about fun

[@jamezguard]

I just want a Marvel "What If?" type episode where she tells Tony she was raped.

[@TheGunship]

A disturbing, revolting yet morally stunning episode. That final scene is so powerful.

[@neilmalhotra5544]

Only Mad Men rivals this level of acting & writing 💯

[@foreignmilk]

lol, no.

[@NoShiiitSherlock]

Dr. Melfi's intellect of Restraint in choosing not to sick Tony on Jeffrey Epstein is highly admirable. I don't think I could have such Restraint

[@jmwild1]

It's been a while since I've watched this one, I tend to skip it when i revisit the series. Those screams and wails and cries from Melfi on the stairwell feel way too real, Lorraine Bracco nailed that performance. But it did serve a purpose to the story of this episode, whether the inciting incident itself felt like it came out of nowhere.

[@sacredcoww]

Never understood the notion of skipping episodes.

[@jmwild1]

@@sacredcoww On a rewatch? What's not to understand?

[@sacredcoww]

@@jmwild1 When I rewatch incredible shows like The Sopranos, I tend to watch every episode.

[@jmwild1]

@@sacredcoww Just because I might skip an episode doesn't mean I didn't like it. This one in particular is just too emotionally unsettling for me. I've already seen it, I know what happens, so skipping it on a revisit works for me just fine.

[@sacredcoww]

@@jmwild1 Fair enough, man.

[@Creek_Water]

Be wary. The comments are just begging to tell you spoilers.

[@mattwatson]

I still have to skip through the parking lot scene every time, it's too much.

[@richardpearce4988]

I forgot this episode (and e6...University...) is series 3 - I think S3 it gets a bit underrated but much better on reconsideration and when you start to appreciate the children's stories more too.

[@kahlbutomacfarland]

One of the best episodes and one of the best endings in tv history.

[@VyceofMataMertha]

Fair

[@HEagle72]

Milena. Stop biting your nails 😔

[@astrojeet]

The next episode is just as hard to watch.

[@mrmassacre3366]

This episode always makes me cry and WISH that she told Tony. I realize that it shows her strength in not telling him BUT I SO WISHED for it after.

[@zsko]

I want to ask you if you have watched Naruto anime 🤔

[@tricko8000]

Yeah this episode and University are 2 of the best of the series, but they're a really fking tough watch lol

[@CapitalExpression]

One thing that I never thought about. While yes it certainly is a moral choice that Melfi makes in not telling Tony. However, .the rapist still gets off scott free and may go on to rape more women and it makes me wonder, is Melfi's choice still the moral choice in this situation? Like this is a situation in which the legal system fucked up. They allowed a truly vile person to get away with a crime. Tony is certainly not the moral choice...but does that make what he would do to the rapist any less just? I don't know but I think a testament to how good this episode is here we are 20+ years after it aired and we're still talking about it.

[@fsociety7494]

I totally agree with your train of thought. I feel the same way in real life when the family of murder victims allow the perp to get a plea deal and get light sentences or not file charges to hear them say they dont want to go through with the trial. Then you hear these people getting out after a few years and committing another terrible crime.

[@sg24336]

Take vigilante justice to its logical conclusion. Do you really want a society based on that? Everyone would have "justified anger," and people would get shot for all kinds of reasons. Dr. Melfi has a strong moral code.

[@CapitalExpression]

@@sg24336 no I for agree with her choice but I just never thought about it from the pov of "just because punishment doesn't come from the law, doesn't neccesarily make it not just"

@@sg24336 actually yes, only stupid liberal thinks vigilante justice is bad.

[@dilwitchspahlin4761]

So you get to be executioner and decide who lives and dies based on the potential harm that a person might cause in the future? That’s how a crazy person thinks

[@nonchalantd]

♥

[@FrankTyrone2354]

It has come...

[@williamjnothingburgeresq]

I always forget about this episode when I do a rewatch. Think its a trauma response.

[@jfloes90]

This was a tough episode to watch

[@clarktownsend8991]

This season is gonna do this to you alot

[@yossarian7617]

This is completely unrelated to the episode but does anyone know when will they start watching Goblin Slayer?

[@_ampersand]

ngl that's actually a well-made joke. For anyone can't read between the lines: Never

[@Lucascabron]

💀

[@DanielBrown91]

Booooo

[@Xer405]

Lmaooo

Goblin Slayer is unironically a great anime

[@sg24336]

Dr. Melfi has a very strong moral code. Vigilante justice isn't the way to go.

[@kartikchandrasekhar7393]

I absolutely love Rottweilers too.

[@philmakris8507]

The overwhelming majority of Italian-Americans don't speak or read Italian. Why would you expect the characters to speak in Italian? Is this what you mean about the subtitles?

[@philmakris8507]

"SA rarely gets prosecuted" really???? I don't know about the justice system in Serbia or the Balkans but in the United S violence is taking extremely seriously by law enforcement and the justice system. Keep in mind that this is a fictional tv show. I think your statement was an ill-informed blanket overgeneralization.

@@philmakris8507 they are crazy feminists and fell for the propaganda of "only 10% of grape gets reported and prosecuted" myth

[@SquintyEyedBoab]

The characters literally speak in Italian at several points in the show. The subtitles on their version does not translate the Italian into English so they can not understand what is being said. What is confusing about that?

[@McDougal_]

@@philmakris8507 "for every 1,000 rapes, 384 are reported to police, 57 result in an arrest, 11 are referred for prosecution, 7 result in a felony conviction, and 6 result in incarceration" - RAINN. So that's less than 3% of the rapes that WERE reported resulting in prosecution. Not to mention there's an ongoing problem of rape kits never getting processed for DNA testing. Cancel Reply

[@Philliben1991]

It's interesting that most of the main characters in this show are multiple murderers, including Tony, but when we have a violent criminal with no name or back story he's the most evil person imaginable. There is a weird moral flexibility there both in terms of the audience watching and of Melfi herself in her relationship with Tony. Is the weight of a crime purely judged on your own perceived relationship with the victim or the perpetrator?

[@mik9napkin598]

This episode takes the moral temptation of mob justice to its ultimate test. It was a very necessary episode.

[@KiraYoza]

*No* Such restraint I could never 😅

[@johnsonwilliam1023]

Vegan review

[@mohamedmifdal8844]

I know you probably don't read these comments but please watch MOUSE ( a Korean thriller series) and Alice in borderlands . 🙏🙏😫 I literally can not recommend it enough , these two are peak television especially MOUSE . I promise you won't regret it

[@fuzzy__dunlop]

This is a tough one

[@onepcwhiz6847]

Oh no I'm so scared. 😢

[@AoGbeverage16]

I usually skip this episode cause the thought of that happening to a woman and nothing I can do makes my blood boil especially to know that such monsters live in this world…

[@J03J3rk0ff]

I don’t even want to watch this video bro

[@joaquinbaume1291]

complitely agree, everytime i rewatch the show i skip this episode, i almost didn't watch this video

[@n0ah7]

Yeah as a 37 years old dude I did not like watching that part too. Upsetting and they didn't even get revenge on the guy that did it. Whole thing felt pointless. 🤷‍♂

[@creadordepan293]

Day 149 of asking LM reacts to see gurren lagann