The Sparkle Creed & Its Non-Biblical Theology

[@L337M4573RK]

Never forget: Satan's primary goal in this world is to confuse people into falsely believing that goodness is "bad", and that evil is "good"!

[@AnthonyMarquise-my6ki]

Amen!! And those "churches" fully believe that evil is good.

[@ctrawick3]

I literally hear the crackling of flames as I listen to this heresy.

[@user-oj3gb8nh2q]

Visit an otolaryngologist ASAP. Might be serious.

[@Dilley_G45]

It's more than heresy....it is BLASPHEMY

[@johnriefstahl4861]

The sparkle creed actually contradicts itself. They say God is " non-binary, and yet they say Jesus has two dads, obviously Joseph is one and God is the other, yet if God is one of Jesus's dads, then He can't be non-binary, since a dad is always male. Does anyone else see the contradiction?

[@realconnar]

LOL !!

[@chisomokonkwo4361]

The true funny thing about this sparkle creed is that, God has chosen to identify himself with he/him. Why don’t they respect God’s preferred pronouns?😂 That’s a lot of bigotry and misgendering if you ask me.

[@realconnar]

@@chisomokonkwo4361 lmao

[@russ254]

you can’t reason somebody out of a belief that they didn’t reason themselves into.

[@EmilianGrtberg]

God existed before genders thats why he is non-binary, but we usaly use male pronouns like father

[@lebell79]

that woman has a smile that says "holy sh!t I can't believe im getting these idiots to actually say this haha"

[@BillBurnette]

Coming to a UMC church near you soon- if it’s not already there in your area. This is the future of the UMC, which is why my wife and I left. We now serve in the GMC and are so excited about what is happening there- the Holy Spirit is moving among the remnant that God has called out of the UMC!

[@Bill_Ivins]

I sent this to a few people in my church...one described it as a bad standup comedy routine. The creed is straight pagan; therefore, this church is apostate.

[@MomLAU]

She sounds bored while reading it!

[@realconnar]

@@MomLAUshe doesn’t care about the church

[@brentlunger9738]

그것은 교회가 아니다.

[@DungNguyen-vn3eu]

Martin Luther rolling over his grave right now ...

[@suedralle8571]

YES, YES AND YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@L337M4573RK]

Oh...those poor innocent, naive, gullible, impressionable children...

[@eileenthrift8259]

This is blasphemy, heresy, non- Christian, disrespectful of God the Father, and hateful of Jesus. I would not want to be any of these people on Judgment Day.

[@realconnar]

Me neither

[@EmilianGrtberg]

You shall love your nighbor like yourself, dont hate them you must help them see the mistake Edit: i missread the comment but it lead to an interesting conversation

[@eileenthrift8259]

@EmilianGrtberg True Christians do not "hate." However, we must speak the "Truth" no matter what.

[@EmilianGrtberg]

@@eileenthrift8259 yes teach them the truth

[@EmilianGrtberg]

We shall never wish anyone hell

[@gracematubis8317]

Pray dear people of God! The devil knows his time is ending and he is doing everything to brings many souls with him in hell. May Jesus, the Divine Mercy have mercy on us and on the whole world.

[@Vss7788]

My mother is a pastor in the Northern CA UMC. She happily voted for this, not realizing WHAT she was voting for. Most of their conference was all about "Acceptance" and I don't think they wanted to be labeled. If she actually knew what was going on, I don't think she would vote for this. Kids don't get it, they want to run around. So sad.

[@tiffanyjames7150]

Satan giggles, grins, as the chains of bondage of sin and deceit are placed on the mockers of the one true God. The real one they worship is him, the father of lies. So sad. We must pray and stand for truth in Love. Christ died for them and they ignore their need for Him.

[@kerrybowers865]

What we hear in the subject clips is on par with much proclaimed by the wayward leadership of the UMC, but they always leave out ‘the rest of the story, ‘ that being Jesus healed them, or cast the demons out of them, and told them ‘to go and sin no more.’

[@u686st7]

I'd walk out if I heard that.

[@eileenthrift8259]

Me, too. Firstly, I would never go to such a place.

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

Me. too. Actually, after posting this, I was thinking about it and I think I would say our usual Nicene Creed, loudly while the other was being said, then leave.

[@deanwheeler4304]

Raised, met Jesus, seminary educated and ordained in the ELCA. 17 years in the pastorate I, and my church, were asked to leave the denomination because we were to confronting heresy and were too orthodox. We left what is now the Exclusively Liberal Church of the Amazon.

[@plainspokenpod]

Oh wow, I hadn’t realized that they had disfellowshipped local churches. That’s bananas. If you wanna do an interview, I’d be interested in that story. If that interests you, e-mail me at [e-mail].

[@bigredmed]

I left my ELCA church when the deacon willfully misinterpreted Genesis to go off on a gay bashing rant. She also made the 6th graders pick pronouns to register for confirmation. This church is not Christian and not Lutheran. Hope it gets kicked out at some point. Doubt it will.

[@pastorjerrykliner3162]

As a Lutheran (ELCA) Pastor, let me say just how appalled at the example of this church. I wish I could say that it was exceptional and isolated, but I cannot. It is offensive and scandalous to our brothers and sisters in Christ. Please know that there ARE faithful Pastors who continue to struggle and fight and minister to their Parishes in the ELCA, just as I am sure there are those still fighting in the UMC. The situations are similar and yet different between the two denominations... The end result, however, is if I leave my Parish then I leave my parishioners to the not-so-tender mercies of follows me.

[@russ254]

you’re a leader - lead them to safety

[@terristrange]

Just hearing it gives me chills.

[@tomsanders5584]

You see this a lot in the seeker-friendly churches. Not the fanfare, but the "Jesus loves you just the way you are." Yes, Jesus takes us as we are, but He wants us to change and will help us to do so. Does Jesus love the alcoholic or addict just the way they are? If an addict cries out, "Jesus, save me!" does Jesus respond, "Naw, yer good, keep doing what you're doing!" Hardly, and there are millions of recovered drunks and addicts that have proven that over the centuries. The problem with narcissistic creeds and churches is that they appeal to people that think they're "pretty darn good" and in need of no transformation. Narcissism is one of the tools of the devil -- it cons people into thinking that they don't need God. It convinces them that they're worthy of worship, not God.

[@Dilley_G45]

Yes very true Reformation started with Luther who kept as much as possible. Instead of throwing out tradition for the sake of it. Kept the liturgy and vestments, the creed, the crosses and cruxifix in Church. This "pastoress", which the Bible forbids, women are not to be pastors, is mocking Christianity

[@lecil2]

Why doesnt the LCA condemn this. ?? Because I fear they approve it.

[@WhatTheBoot]

The whole actually condemned them, though I haven’t heard of them being excommunicated or anathematized

[@lecil2]

@@WhatTheBoot yea thats for sure

[@brentstockdale4478]

Where is this in the Book of Concord?

[@kennethsanders1694]

Satan is laughing as the door to hell opens wider.

[@scottwendt9575]

The positive of the shrinking of the mainline churches is that at least children who grew up outside the church and come to Christ later do not have the internal conflict with this false teaching they were taught and believed as children.

[@bobgillis2196]

Total blasphemy.

[@kerrybowers865]

What they seek is justification from man for there is no justification for their beliefs from God as The Bible is void of any.

[@paulcampbell7518]

Minor tangent - I have always wondered why pastors use a mic when speaking to a small group of children gathered at their feet. I imagine it is partly performative - giving the pastor a chance to demonstrate his/her ability to shepherd the young members - and partly to surreptitiously deliver the children's message to the adults, dumbing things down somewhat so the adults can process the message without feeling insulted.

[@plainspokenpod]

For sure. And, well, it would be weird to expect a congregation to just hang out and be quiet if they can’t hear what is being said.

[@frzstat]

1. So the folks in the pews can hear. The children’s message is often projected to the entire congregation and/or folks not physically attending the service. 2. If the children’s message is recorded, this type of mic does a better job of picking up the pastor’s voice and eliminating feedback/background noise. 3. The pastor can usually mute the mic if she doesn’t want a conversation to be heard by everyone. The sound tech can mute the mic also, if the pastor forgets. (That can be embarrassing!)

[@paulcampbell7518]

@@frzstat Using the mic to record the content of the children's message is valid - for any children who might be listening from home. It still facilitates the rather self-serving purposes I mentioned in my original comment. This really isn't a very big issue - it's just an observation.

[@JasonGreen-z8k]

Those that teach against the Word of God in the name of God have great judgment that will come upon them. They turn God into a liar, and we who know Him and His Word know that He cannot lie. This brought fire and brimstone upon Sodom and Ghomorrah. God will not be mocked.

[@andrewrivera190]

The whole idea of “acceptance and diversity” is based around self love. It isn’t keeping God’s commands because of his righteousness, it’s twisting His commands to make the path easier for people. The Christian life ain’t easy. If you stand up what’s right others will seek to end you.

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

Anathema! Abomination! Abhorrent! And those are just the 'A's.

[@jnkelley42]

I went to a funeral last year. They used ‘she’ to refer to God in the 23rd Psalm. I was flabbergasted.

[@DomiNate_1]

kinda kills it when it doesn't end with Awoman right?

[@plainspokenpod]

Are you making a reference to that UM pastor who ended his prayer at the US Capitol with "Amen and Awomen"? If so, very funny. If not, then I do not know what you're talking about.

[@DomiNate_1]

@@plainspokenpod haha yes. Maybe it was too subtle a reference ;)

[@pwcorgi2000]

This " Sparkle Creed" is so revolting.

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

They say "love is love". I say water is water, as I dip a glass into a toilet bowl and offer them a drink.

[@mikehunter6975]

@@johndoe-ln4oi never thought of that analysis.

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

@@mikehunter6975 It's a great opportunity for them to prove they're not hydrophobic bigots (all nuances intended).

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

@@johndoe-ln4oi LOL! Apt analogy!

[@Epsilonsama]

This is the end game of disregarding tradition. Repent for your heresy and come back to The Church.

[@w4atl]

"That's neat isn't it?" 😳

[@creditczar6979]

🤢

[@user-xp7ju2sd6o]

I believe in unicorns and Puff the magic dragon . . . and some god thai I conjured up.

[@kerrybowers865]

Sadly, the UMC Book of Discipline is in communion with the Evangelical Lutheran Church that condones such behavior.

[@kellyshea92]

One of the many reasons why I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. +

[@stevesafety6743]

Heresy plain and simple

[@matthewtolman5598]

Plural pronouns for God: probably referring to the passages in Genesis that use plural pronouns for God. Jesus and his fabulous tunic: probably referencing John 19, where his coat is without seam and the soldiers cast lots for it rather than tear and divide it.

[@amtc4ihs2005]

What church are you at now?

[@plainspokenpod]

Me? I'm a Global Methodist.

[@user-xp7ju2sd6o]

How did any thinking being come to this and not be in an insane asylum?

[@creditczar6979]

O. M. GOODNESS 😢

[@kjorlaug1]

It's not heretical or blasphemous. It's cringe. It's uncomfortable. It's weird. But it's not heretical.

[@plainspokenpod]

I think we have different definitions of heresy and blasphemy.

[@kjorlaug1]

@@plainspokenpod you're right. I don't view a creed written for a specific occasion and service as heretical just because I don't agree with it.

[@plainspokenpod]

@@kjorlaug1 Tell me you haven't watched the video without telling me you haven't watched the video. If all you have to say is that I call it heresy because I don't like it, then you're just an unserious dialogue partner. Move along, Andrew.

[@kjorlaug1]

@@plainspokenpod Ah yes, the well trod path of "since you didn't agree with me you obviously didn't watch the whole video." I did watch it Jeff. Twice. We just disagree.

[@plainspokenpod]

@@kjorlaug1 Andrew, you might've watched it a hundred times, but when your response is that I'm just calling it heresy because I don't like it, you show that you're not comprehending much. If heresy is divisive doctrine that stands against the historic witness of the church (and it is), then this "creed" clearly meets that definition. If blasphemy is speaking wrongly of God in a scandalous way (and it is), then that definition is also met here. I can be equally ungracious as you and say you don't see it because you agree with it. See how (not) helpful that is?

[@estebanmoeller]

Its DIY Creed time! Lol

[@creditczar6979]

Had thhe same thought. Let's create an anti-UMC creed.

[@carp614]

That "Church" is not on Facebook and there is no contact information on the website unless you want to donate. Not a church. Not the Gospel!

[@WhatTheBoot]

I won’t be able to keep my mouth shut……. Blasphemy and Heresy! This is assuming I would even go.

[@jeffdollar1646]

Sound?

[@cincyborn]

It was the same old train a child up liberal blah blah blah , Jeffrey explained it.

[@plainspokenpod]

The sound didn’t work for you, Jeff?

[@cincyborn]

I think it was when the teacher was teaching, it didn't come thru on my android too, I had to hold it up to my ear

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@plainspokenpod not at first - other videos were ok, I'll try again.

[@jeffdollar1646]

Ok now

[@Pedro-bk1ic]

Credo in Italian means "I believe", so yeah, probably Latin.

[@glendagaskin151]

That is abhorrent to God’s will and they have been condemned by the Bible.

[@eyesopened1874]

So evil

[@Being_Joe]

The Devil wears Prada

[@guydavidparker]

As a lutheran ,,no

[@melissaraef]

1 Timothy 2:12

[@guydavidparker]

Not anything ,,bible..fact..the hell with themm,I'll say it again...

[@massagewerks1734]

You generalize very liberally. I will work to forgive you for erroneous teaching. God have mercy.

[@plainspokenpod]

If you have something of substance to offer, I will be happy to consider it. If I have said anything false, I am eager to correct it. You’re welcome to comment again if you have something helpful to say.

[@tiffanyjames7150]

Specific truth…..we are sinners, Christ loves us so much He died to take our sin away and give us His righteousness and rose again because He is Lord. If you deny the sin you have, you deny that you need Jesus. This is not a church, it is group of people celebrating sin and denying Jesus Christ.

[@massagewerks1734]

I am progressive Christian who is also gay. I have never heard of the sparkle creed. You can find extremes on both sides of the discourse. Why not find commonality in serving Christ and showing his love to all people.

[@massagewerks1734]

I grew up in the United Methodist church in the 1960’s. At age 16 I began reading the scriptures on my own and found the gospel of Christs purpose to forgive us of sin. And bring us into the presence of the father under the cloak of Christ. Please stop antagonizing the issue by focusing on obscure practices. They are not correct but neither was much of what I was taught in my Umc church. May God use you to bring people together under Christ instead of fanning the flames of divisive rhetoric. May God have mercy on us all.

[@tiffanyjames7150]

@@massagewerks1734 Yes, the commonality of Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. We are all sinners and need the forgiveness He died to provide. We must not crucify Him afresh and anew by continuing in sin and calling it righteousness. He delivers us from sin to walk in freedom and newness of life. If we deny sin, then we call Him a liar.

[@denniswade1335]

This is disgraceful, these are false profits.