The Speedcubing Method We All Invented...

It's been a long time since I thought about this, but now I'm finally taking it seriously. The Belt Method viably competes with all top speedcubing methods except for the good ones.
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[@Cubefinity]

When you realise everyone has but you have never thought of the belt method

[@arpananurag7037]

Here is my bro Totally relatable

[@goldenwarrior1186]

Cubefinity same. Although I have seen it on the speedsolving wiki

[@redrobbie7977]

@@goldenwarrior1186 r u srs

[@GiantKush]

I actually thought of this method and already knew the problems I was going to have...the parities...hence I never tried it.

[@goldenwarrior1186]

RedRobbie7 Yes

[@RHOMB0ID]

I feel like this would be the method you’d teach someone who for some reason knows how to solve a square one but not a normal cube

[@andrewtan881]

Yeah, though only squan corner algs would work, and you’d have to orient the corners first. Edges work a bit different because of the way it slices on squan.

[@34454757685986798534]

Try Shadowslice Snow Columns. It solves the E slice and corner orientation at the same time, then solves corners with Square 1 algs.

[@domainmusicandgaming]

Keyhole method is fire for noobs🔥

[@glowingspacecow8980]

I learned how to solve the ghost cube before the 3x3 lol

[@ChiChibi_Personal]

yes

[@jamessmith8882]

Tymon Kolasinski tried the belt method during Cyoubx's stream yesterday ("Sub-6's on Stream EZ. Learning Pseudoslotting and CN"). He modified the method slightly - he forced a parity skip during piece separation and rearranged the steps. He also got a 14 and then called a 15 "bad".

[@cubebutpro298]

Tymon is the type of guy that would get 15 seconds on belt method

[@sythe_ofdeath9626]

So, I have boarded the dummy train and I have tried to optimize this method the best I can with my limited knowledge. First start with ZZ's EO, this way you don't have to deal with the pain of edge parity later. Then solve the belt with moves only. Which is very easy actually. Then separate edges and corners using bars. Make bars by placing an edge between two adjacent corners on the opposite side using M' U2 M. Place the top bar on the left and bottom bar on the right and do R2 U2 R2. If you have an odd amount of edges or corners, solve using bars until your at one corner or one edge on each side that needs to swap. To swap one corner on each side, place one corner on top of the other and do (U R U' R')3. to swap one edge on each side, place one edge on top of the other and do M' U2 M. From there do OLL and PLL, doing corner twist parity as needed, flip over, OLL, PLL, finish!

[@devathma]

This is the Exact Method my Mom uses to Beat me.

[@adamgarraz8576]

Lmfaoo

[@muddledlion9593]

😂

[@ninjasparkzz5097]

I had made a method by myself I do f2l first and then cross and oll pll

[@batrongordeg]

@@ninjasparkzz5097 i Dont know this method, i only know cfop (jk)

[@anastasiosmiaris2119]

Rip

[@ChristianityExplained815]

Stupid cubing method: *Exists* JPerm: Its free real estate

[@Diogo-mi9tm]

*its free real estate*

[@benwiley6512]

.

[@pk251]

such an original comment....

[@ChristianityExplained815]

@@pk251 lol i know

[@ezeke959]

@@pk251 well I mean at least it isn't so overused, not like those annoying "nobody:" or "20 likes 0 views" comments

[@thelordofcubing]

5:41 "+2s don't count at home" - Kevin Hays

[@ronarmstrong835]

Very interesting. Before I ever watched a single tutorial on solving, I intuitively created a belt around the E axis. I still do a solve like this occasionally.

[@RHOMB0ID]

Advanced method: Step 1: white/ yellow manipulation ( on correct sides, no parites ) Step 2: belt Step 3: OBL (Orient both layers) Step 4: PBL ( Permute Both Layers)

[@napoleanfaeces]

this is not a square 1

[@iken15]

WBOP nice name

[@irian3x3]

ortega moment

[@andrewqi6695]

WYBOP

[@andrewqi6695]

this is square 1 but for 3x3 lol

[@ren2201]

Oh god yes this is just nostalgic and hours of trying to perfect this

[@xcalivrr3982]

Yeah my parents would always use this method on me

[@xcalivrr3982]

Its so nostalgic

[@AdvayRajoria]

@@xcalivrr3982 exactly

[@jakabpista7532]

@@xcalivrr3982 u won

[@wendellgaming7578]

Hi JPerm i have just started watching your videos about 2 weeks ago and your videos have really insiperd me to get a runik's cube myself! I just wanna say thank you for the amazing content you give us

[@laurgao]

When he solves faster with belt than you do normally

[@iamnth9600]

Meanwhile , in an alternative universe: uses belt method to set wr

[@StrategicGamesEtc]

I mean, if SSC counts as belt method, it might be viable.

[@heatfromsapphire]

When I “invented” this method, I actually realized this potential flaw, so I actually would solve the white side, similar to F2L, but only the edges for the belt were in the right spot. This way, I did OLL once on the yellow side (solving mismatch, edge and corner parities) and the would only do PLL on both sides. I still think it’s decently viable but CFOP is just better in every way

[@cubemaster1987]

You may be able to make separating pieces easier if you don’t preserve the belt, but only require those 4 edges stay in the middle. One algorithm at the end could fix it easily or be combined with PLL to make it one step (I think this would triple the number of PLL’s)

[@ScotttheCubeGuy]

I've been speedcubing 2 years and have actually never thought of the Belt method. I was expecting this to be about the CFOP-Roux Hybrid method that lots of people come up with.

[@awe331]

1 month later: how do get sub 10 with the belt method

[@afox1689]

Underrated

[@what-vr5gh]

No, more like how to get sub 0.000001 with belt method

[@hvrst6241]

Sub 10 half a MINUTE

[@nidhimalhotra7940]

Was bout to write this

[@ayushvaze1622]

@@hvrst6241 How to get WR with belt

[@kotori106]

Nobody: J perm: solves cube faster then me with the belt method

[@anbun95]

@Your Mom same

[@laka182]

Than* and same

[@jaydonturner2367]

Not me i average 30 seconds feels good to know im not the slowest cuber ever

[@uwnoodle]

@@jaydonturner2367 and he averaged around 20.

[@estelle_chenxing]

LOL

[@JLCubing]

OMG J PERM!! Its been sooooooooooooooo----- long since u uploaded your video, I was waiting for this. The only entertainment on youtube for me is your channel. I have a GAN 356 RS and I want to magnetize it, but its too hard.

[@cubemaster1987]

I actually solved my old 5x5 for years using a sort of layer by layer method. Do the first 3 layers and then the bottom ring of edges and then the final 4th layer edges. Finally, do the remaining center pieces. It was slow, but can be adjusted to work with any size cube

[@TheBookDoctor]

I never once thought of trying to solve a cube this way.

[@tres-2b299]

Same

[@mcventi4859]

me2

[@Anomalied]

Me 🌳

[@user-drinkwater]

same

[@kjrayofficial]

Yeah who would?

[@liamazar9657]

When Dylan’s belt method pb is better than my regular pb😂

[@ezdor8877]

More, or better?

[@Inds]

Yup

[@negativedonut]

same My pb is 17

[@MeatBallFreak333]

My pb is 19

[@melonthecuber4273]

My pb is 24 he beat me by 8 seconds

[@mattevans1643]

Yes, i think we've all tried it. Good practice for OLL/PLL. Cause you have to do it twice. Bad idea when you realize you messed up and have to do much more than you originally planned when even though the pieces are separated, they are still in a configuration that can't be solved without fixing the cube. Really good if you want to do a bunch a u perms.

[@liamhenderson7367]

My variation on this was to build the top, and bottom faces, then the belt. That way, you don't have to worry about piece separation. You can also build the first face and the belt at the same time, since it's sorta like F2L. The major flaw in this method came in the PLLS. Originally, I thought I'd just fix the parity with M2 U2 M2, then (I assumed) I could memorise all the algs to solve both faces at once. That was a no, so I figured I'd ignore parity and just memorise all PLLs, including parity. Still a no go (547 algs. Possible, but probably not worth it). I think the best way would just to do the two faces separately, like you did (I have no idea why I didn't think of that at the time lol). Still pretty garbage due to the move count and the rotation at the end, but better than the version you chose ( I think? I'm working on sub 20, so I'm not exactly experienced in this kind of stuff yet).

[@RandomBurfness]

This is legitimately the first time I've heard about this for 3x3! I like using this for weird non shapeshifting 3x3xn cuboids and I'd also imagine this could work well for other 3x3xn cuboids where n is an odd integer greater than 3.

[@idothinz4192]

TITLE: The Speedcubing Method We All Invented... Me seeing the video: I have never seen or thought of that method in my life

[@lutimstrickshots9253]

I actually got my PB with the belt method by trying it right now for the first time after watching your video haha. I use layer by layer with algs invented by me and my bestie and average around 40 seconds, and the belt gave me a 25 seconds time smashing my old PB by 10 seconds

[@KanekoYasha]

Just suggestion, how about doing "oll" on both top and bottom and use 5x5 center building to complete the faces. Then do E perm if both top and bottom have adj. corner swaps by moving the corners to be swapped from the bottom to the top. Then do EPLL and parity (if any).

[@OwenMorrisonyt]

"back in the day of the speedsolving forums" The forums still exist and people like me are very active on it.

[@a1b3a3c14nbcv]

oh my god are you itsowen? what's up dude i'm pussyslayer68 i just got 1k posts

[@fatherfilth3784]

I am also a very active member of the forums, but I don’t think that Owen will figure it out before he overtakes Cuberstache in mega 🤪

[@OwenMorrisonyt]

@@a1b3a3c14nbcv no, I am Owen Morrison on the forums.

[@OwenMorrisonyt]

​@@fatherfilth3784 haha😆. Who are you on the forums?

[@fatherfilth3784]

That’s for you to figure out

[@kimchiisgood8062]

finally a method where j perm's times are slower than my normal solves lmao

[@domainmusicandgaming]

🔥 never thought about it like this .. sometimes I solve like this

[@thejerber44]

I feel like doing EO before the belt could make things more efficient. They maybe you could combine some steps. Something like: 1. EO 2. Belt 3. Separate pieces (edges are easy to recognize when oriented so it might be easier to combine edge and corner separation) 4. Corner parity 5. COLL #1 6. COLL #2 7. Permute edges

[@Anon.G]

This actually sounds really obscure? I'm surprised that this many cubers thought of doing it.

[@shadowspider4140]

I literally invented this a week ago. J perm is spying on me

[@GiantKush]

I thought of this message where you first solve the corners like 2x2x2 and the solve the edges and then put the centres in place...takes a hell lot of time... especially when compared to CFOP or Belt. But it was worth it

[@codyanderson6186]

If I'm not mistaken, this is like solving a 3x3 as a square-1. Square-1 uses this method.

[@spencerbrown7915]

Jperm: gets low 20s using the belt method Me: gets low 30s using intermediate cfop Me again: quits cubing

[@stayfocused6moremonths111]

dont give up really

[@sirim5058]

Forgive me for asking but what's intermediate CFOP?? I know what beginning and advanced are but what do you mean by intermediate?

[@Cknoell04]

Siri M he means he’s not advanced but he’s not beginner

[@zahirbiban9149]

Siri M difficulty easy=beginners medium=intermediate hard=advanced

[@zahirbiban9149]

Mekenzie Brown that is so me

[@thisisaspa]

Some guy: Who exactly invented the Belt method? Me: *It's hard to say who exactly...*

[@MultiThunder54]

Hey! New cuber (and subscriber) here (5 days in, making good progress). I was researching advanced methods and came across a newer method that looks to be an improved version of this belt method. It's called the "Mehta" method. It looks like it was first proposed in 2020, so it's relatively new. But seems to combine some Roux, belt, and CFOP methods. Supposedly it has low move count and mostly relies on algorithms. Would you consider doing a video over this method? I think it would be pretty cool and it seems many think it could be a new promising speedcubing method. I'd love to know your thoughts on it vs CFOP and ROUX.

[@bruce4139]

I tried to do the belt method however my belt was vertical and it didnt matter if they were permuted till the end and I would orientate all the edges before I put them on the correct side and same with the corners it wasnt the best but I was proud of it

[@GreenPower713]

I remember thinking about a similar way to solve it, and thought it would be good, but for a different reason: 1. Belt 2. OBL (Orientation of Both Layers) 3. Top and bottom face separation (if not color neutral, yellow and white) 4. PBL (Permutation of Both Layer) The goal was to save time in bottom layer and permute everything at the end with only one algorithm, like ortega in 2x2 (which might give better algs than normal PLL for some cases (ex opposite J-Perms (R2 U R2 U' D' R2 D R2)). The problem is that it would need about 400 algs for PBL (no idea for OBL) and I don't think it would even be faster.

[@ichigo_nyanko]

3249 for OBL, 441 for PBL

[@x-tremefactory2542]

1st OLL algs would be a lot easier because the bottom pieces dont matter.

[@headjump803]

Lol, I really thought about this method as well and initially thought the only extra step would be the white/yellow sorting. Luckily while solving 2x2 with Ortegra I noticed that I mostly get invalid OLL cases for the top face when the bottom face is not oriented. So I didn't bother trying "Belt" ;)

[@dibassworld]

Thank you soooOooooooooooo much for this method

[@Alexspiano]

I like the feeling that i used to have when learning to solve a rubiks cube from jperm i felt nostalgia while learnign even though i dont even know jperm at the time

[@thenickstrikebetter]

I have a feeling this involves the Middle Layers a lot.

[@rexyaxy4314]

pp

[@trfcuber6642]

@@rexyaxy4314 stop spamming

[@cubebutpro298]

Equator layers

[@Donu_tLover]

@@cubebutpro298Slice moves (M, E, and S)

[@JamieCuber]

There's a WAY better method than CFOP called ZB. You first do F2L up to your last pair but then use an algorithm to orient all of the last layer edges. After that, you use a ZBLL algorithm to solve the rest. If there wasn't as many algorithms, would you recommend this method or is it still not worth learning? Also, why do the few cubers who use this method get slower times than any top speedcubers (like Feliks)? btw amazing content

[@an8688]

Same

[@tutin9930]

k

[@JamieCuber]

@@abstractcuber236 I wasn't thinking of actually learning it but I was just curious about why it was slightly slower. But anyway thanks for the explanation : )

[@cadenchan7000]

jperm: everybody came up with this idea Me:never heard of it, never came up with it and heard of it when watching jperm

[@oriolejb9774]

I never thought of it and as soon as you demonstrated it with a working scramble I saw all of the problems...

[@fate_cloud6752]

I just realized he solves faster than me in the Belt method than I can in Cfop LOL. (This is what I get for taking a 2 year break from cubing 🤦‍♂️)

[@sometalent9440]

same

[@maxismailov7453]

same I took a break for like a year

[@wernerziegler2873]

Jokes on you I got a 7 year break

[@fate_cloud6752]

@@wernerziegler2873 I haven't even cubed even before this comment but sheesh

[@xposeRanger]

While you make the belt you can try to do piece/edge separation at the same time to save time, like I think it could be possible to get fast at this method if you blend some of the steps together like the first 2 Edit: If you use Roux like me, you can use on of the triggers M' U2 M to swap edges, I think the Belt method could work with roux solvers

[@ShawnNHL]

He's right, at first I was like "yknow, that actually sounds like a good, fast method" then i was like "oh"

[@ashhhh69]

WUT YOU ARE A GINEUS you figured out a new way to solve the rubik’s cube omggg

[@elainedapenhamagalhaesdasi1265]

I never had such a problem with CFOP that I needed to "invent" a method it was difficult but I learned

[@diskritis2076]

How many of you keep touching your cubes in during online classes?

[@Qwaziop]

Me

[@farrel48x]

Thanks @J Perm for this method! It's really fun to play with this method lol

[@guanleeng86]

First, i thought that Jperm is gonna teach us how to solve a squan. Lol 😂 😂 😂

[@TeboeCubes]

3:04 Back in the day of the speedsolving forums Me who still uses it:

[@encryptedmaze]

lmao I remember "inventing" this when I was first getting into speedcubing

[@sohanbhattacharyya8451]

Great method!!

[@KikiCuber]

I remember trying this. I spent hours trying to make a bunch of lines and them connecting them together.

[@ZeppyReal]

Can you solve a 3x3... Like a square-1?

[@natecharu3430]

J-perm: here's a method we all invented Me who used roux and has no idea how to do oll and pll: no

[@joeshmo546]

Reminds me of the method I made up. FCOP which is basically CFOP but it starts with solving the f2l pairs.

[@acxesta2]

Mehta: *exists* Dylan: "Aaaargh..."

[@roshnichandran2206]

51 secs ago! Last time I was this early, I was allowed to leave the house !

[@exmachina770]

Lmao I also thought I invented something similar🤣. Though my pattern is a bit different since im not a speed cuber and not for the purpose of speedcubing. My pattern is to build a white cross then just put white pieces randomly in that cross. Build the second layer, then third layer, adjust things that needed to adjust then go back to the first layer and do the third layer thing🤣. Its fun making your own formula🤣.

[@zippinga68games40]

very fun method

[@Leo790]

Yeah I have definitely never thought about that

[@ronarmstrong835]

Interesting seque. I taught my niece CFOP a while back. And she struggled with it forever. So I just showed her the belt method. As strange as this sounds, she picked it up like a duck adapts to water and solves with this method almost intuitively.

[@mentally_injured6920]

Actually we can make this method more efficient by reducing OLL paritys. Bassicly, when we put wrong for example white edge on the bottom layer, we can determine if it should be white in front or bottom. Same with corners, we can use "edge on place" F2L (only 3 algs, not that much) to insert pieces in correct rotation. Then the only parity left is PLL parity which can be done in 3 moves.

[@neezduts6933]

i personally like to make a pll case on the bottom by solving just the side, then i do the belt with no problem, i do the oll and pll at the top, and if there is a parity then i keep moving anyways, i do the pll case at the bottom, and then i solve the parity there (if there is), then i do the top, and it is solved

[@floseatyard8063]

@@neezduts6933 how do u not break the side when doing belt?

[@neezduts6933]

@@floseatyard8063 i do f2l pretty much

[@floseatyard8063]

@@neezduts6933 oh yeah that's actually kinda efficient now that I think about it, you just do a pll on top of belt and flip the cube 180 to do pll on the layer on bottom since the bottom isn't aligned into a cross?

[@ndj2318]

When j perm more fast than me with a belt method

[@tocaracer8066]

O tried it and i found that separating the corners first was easier for me as i used mainly M moves to separate the edges after. I was just more intuitive to me.

[@GiantKush]

Finally!!! JPerm using belt is slower than me using CFOP...

[@alejandrotorres2687]

4:30 that is literally my Pb on 3x3

[@ReverseBurst]

Am I the only one who never thought of this method?

[@slipchase5405]

Speedcube methods: *exists perfectly* me: Ima make a new one!

[@obadaselitey9961]

I did it and it was so much fun to do after a year with the cfop method😅❤️

[@deathlessgamer]

Couldn't you just do this in Reverse basically were instead you solve the top and bottom layer simultaneously and then put in the belt afterwards?

[@decent_random]

Roux moment

[@voidman6419]

Huh not me though i have invented 2 methods of my own. Method-1: solve all the edges and then all the corners. Method-2: solve all the corners and then all the edges

[@YesHelloHi]

isnt thats just a method for bllindfolded?

[@anastasiosmiaris2119]

It is used a few times for blindfold and also blindfold 1hand

[@voidman6419]

@@YesHelloHi nah its just a method of my own and it is not a blindfold method

[@aarusharya5658]

@@voidman6419 congrats youve literally copied ZLL OH Blind. lol/

[@nif4345]

Jperm: every speedcuber invented the belt method Me: *Laughs in beginner*

[@toiletgod96]

I need to start using this.

[@polyrosen7737]

When you’re so early you can’t think of a joke in time

[@rexyaxy4314]

pp

[@zazu.jm1]

Kazuhir 007 UN Ike your pp

[@ExistentialShrimp]

3:04 What loser made a post called "Cat Solves Rubik's Cube In Three Seconds!" ... ... ... ... ... ... ... wait a minute

[@jo_ovin1482]

I wanna see it now

[@ExistentialShrimp]

Jo_ovin I’m not so sure that you do.

[@RafaBruhMC]

Lmaoo

[@collisionsyt6909]

ohh its u

[@twistiicuber1055]

Yes

[@chewpaikgaik6607]

I thought of just solving the belt and also the d face but without permuting the d face. In this way, you only get a pll parity and pseudoslotting actually becomes a pretty viable skill thanks to the amount of freedom you get. Pretty sure someone has thought about this method(I don't know whether it has a name) but it looks way more viable than the belt method

[@naroudak]

Ah yes, I remember doing the same thing, but first you make the “belt,” then you put the whites and yellows on the correct sides, then you do obl (orient both layers), then you do pbl (permits both layers) then its solved. I called it “The Giftbox Method” since at one point while solving it, it looks like a giftbox. It was until now that I figured out I was not the only one.

[@generatedmoon00]

i stopped cubing, but remembered you, and started cubing again

[@jwjarro73]

I'm impressed he took the time to find parity algs

[@MyNipplesArePointy]

Aaaaand your belt method solves are still faster than my normal solves

[@blyrellblashington1835]

i’ve done this except i did it a little differently, instead of separating the pieces i solved both the top and bottom to be combinations of white and yellow and then fixed it with cuboid algs

[@DrumickD]

I never thought of this!

[@xm1n3r31]

For a challenge vid, can you speedsolve with an FMC solution. So basically, you get like 45 minutes or something to come up with a solution for a scramble in CsTimer, then with that solution, you time yourself solving it with the solution you made as fast as you can. PS: Love your vids!

[@shaunzhang733]

There was a time when I was using Cross, F2L, then Commutators and Conjugates of the last layer (corner and edge 3 cycles). I can either choose to solve corners first, or the edges first. But if both the corner and the edges are not solved, I need to make sure that the last layer is in the correct position. Impossible situations will include the following (you may already know this, but I will mention it anyway). If there can only be one edge in the correct orientation or permutation, the remaining three edge must all be incorrectly permutated, same thing goes with corners. You cannot have only three unsolved corners or edges with one of them in the incorrect orientation, if this happens, the cube layer is in the wrong position. If there are two edges in the correct orientation and location resulted the other two in the correct location but incorrect orientation, that's fine too, same thing can happen with corners, If two edges in the correct orientation and location resulted the other two edges in the incorrect location, then the layer is in the wrong position, and this situation can also happen with corners. If two pieces are correctly oriented and permutated resulted the other two in the wrong location, I will need to rotate the top layer until there's only one corner or one edge in the correct location, then solve it using commutators. If all the last layer corners were solved, the edges would be in their correct position when you line the corners up with their correct colours, if the last layer edges were solved, the corners would be in their correct position when you like the edges up with their correct colours. It is possible to solve all the corners first, then the edges, or solve all the edges first, then the corners, you just have to know what you are doing.

[@literallyme.realmp4]

"Turns out, during inspection, I have a tough time planning the belt" that hit so hard

[@reaganati3986]

finally, a comment where you find a person who never thought of the belt method

[@oddcuber4504]

Love your vids

[@unknownstreamer4685]

Can you make more videos on this method I am liking it

[@yaskynemma9220]

I have never done speedcubing and it doesnt really interest me much but I do solve with belt method because I find it interesting, the cases for separación of edges and corners can be done ahead avoiding orientation problems, I dont know any oll or pll cases and everything I do is permutate the edges and corners on each sude and then orient them as a lastima step

[@aSuperPi.]

I thought I made this up just like everyone else but ended up changing it because of the reason in the video and made a weird corner loop method where you do corner orientation after you make the corner loop then orient the edges. It works more consistently than this belt method

[@Makaplakka]

maybe u can make like new alghorithms for the not right oll/pll cases so u dont have to switch corners etc before doing oll/ pll? and maybe u can separate white and yellow while doing belt? Maybe we could improve it so u can get decent at this method but idk

[@brushwanderer_1]

ive thought of one where you make every cross and then get the pieces into the right spots with an alg and then do another alg to solve it it is a terrible idea but it went a lot better in my head like the belt method

[@eiejrirjekakwir9234]

Jperm, I have a really weird way of solving the cube, first make the first two blocks in roux, then do cmll, then position the edge pieces that matches the colors of the first two blocks, then solve it with cfop