The spiritual power of music - KingdomCraft

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[@Coolkid245]

not only is zoomer a based gamer, but he’s also a musician, mathematician, and Lithuanian?! Actually insane

[@davidrobinson7260]

Giga chad

[@samw7998]

I thought he was Israeli

[@Coolkid245]

@@samw7998 he said ethnically jewish so probably one parent is ashkenazi and one is lithuanian

[@evanevanf4033]

Someone show Redeemed Zoomer Seiji Igusa he’s an excellent finger stylist guitarist on KZbin. I looked him up and apparently he use to perform at his church (and who knows, maybe he still does). I know I would definitely want him perform at my church 😅

[@antesemitic8668]

Lithuanian nobility believed they were descended from the 10 lost tribes of Israel, so there's something to it@@samw7998

[@maurits7162]

I've learned so much from this guy and he's so wholesome! honestly a great channel!

[@thegooddeciple486]

Bach's chaconne (bwv 1004) and it's beauty literally touched my heart and pointed me to God.

[@andrewnewman5945]

One of the reasons I love Rich Mullins' music. His music and lyrics had such variety and complexity. Although he went to be with the Lord 27 years ago, his legacy lives on. If you've never heard of this guy, you should check him out.

[@Aidan-ku6tz]

Finally someone knows about Mullins nobody at my youth group knows who he is

[@thechristanfangirl6699]

I hear rich Mullins and automatically thought Andrew Peterson lol also a fantastic artist

[@joe.O7X]

If mathematics and music reveal the mind of God, does that mean math rock the most Godly genre of music?

[@hiptoalieu]

YES...playing things in 14/8 @ 145.6666689 BPM using all SEVEN modes will DEFINITELY bring people to the Lord...LOL (I love prog btw!!)

[@Haildarklordvader]

So tool fans act the way they do because they thing they are talking to God? It all makes sense now

[@pm-finskii]

@@HaildarklordvaderAs an insufferable Tool fan, it's always been this way...

[@MrOoYT]

@@HaildarklordvaderI always thought Tool’s music was transcendental

[@ShepherdGuyIsHere]

Just curious; you're an Eagle Scout, right? Did you ever have much to do with the Order of the Arrow? Their song is to the same tune as God Save the Tzar.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

actually? DANG IT! I could have joined but I didn't get around to it

[@jacksonhall2334]

I believe that music’s ability to connect the human soul to God isn’t absent in modern Christian music. I also would posit that the statement that CCM is objectively bad is incorrect. It may be simpler in chord structure, but as someone who has studied both of these styles of music, has played both, and has been connected to god through both, one is not superior to the other.

[@hiptoalieu]

Some Hymns have more chords than modern Contemporary Worship music, BUT some hymns have a LOT less chords than Modern Christian Music!

[@Aidan-ku6tz]

Have you heard of Glad? They’re an acapella band that redoes hymns really well. Their version of for a thousand tongues is really good.

[@johnlin5550]

20:30 "Modern culture doesn't believe in the soul" ironic, considering the word "psychology", which is a relatively modern science, comes from ψυχε (psukhe), which is the Greek word for "soul." Just thought I should mention.

[@theintelligentmilkjug944]

23:10 I can't agree more with this bit here It's so true.

[@shawnroy7806]

23:00 This seems like a potential point where he was swapped with the Nephilim. I can't know for sure but this definitely seems like it could be when he was swapped.

[@lopa5881]

currently thinking ab changing churches (from nondenom to presby) and i think the music is one of the reasons why. i dont rlly like the repetition of current christian music and the non-solemnity of it all. hymns and christ centered songs are much more solemn even if they’re not that “fun”

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Glad to hear that! Find a historic Presbyterian church near you: www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=44.03226794579251%2C-92.75978994999998&z=17usaveni&mid=1PNd_sJagci84PyKmGC6M5VJtaLMEWxg

[@alisatoniian9718]

Oh music is more stem and mathematics is more arts! Lol has a grain of truth

[@flameguy3416]

Maybe he says STEAM instead of STEM

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

whoops! I meant the other way around haha

[@DruckerYTA]

21:38 Viva La Vida convinces me to be a French Revolutionary lol

[@neuraaquaria]

Funny thing is Spirit Science who talks about New Age stuff made a video similar to this but without the Christianity. The problem with the New Age POV is that it neglects the importance of the "lyrics" written in Psalms, the word of God written through the hands of King David and others.

[@yourneighbour3309]

cool to learn more about music theory thru this💯💯💯

[@ecthelion1735]

21:40 It's like when I hear Sabaton's "The Last Stand", I want to take up a sword and fight for the Holy See.

[@delanchan699]

Can we have your Spotify playlist?

[@contratoronto5868]

2 things: First, I completely agree that modern 'worship' music is entrirely too self centered and experiential and that that is an issue that must be resolved in the Church Second, I would like to see Zoomer play some music that is 'objectively' beautiful and explain why (chord progressions, musical phrasing, structural composition,etc) as well as a piece of music that is objectively not-beautiful and explain why. I agree that most CCM isn't beautiful, but the first time I heard 'King of Kings' I was really impressed by it's beauty, then distraught to find out it's by Hillsong😅

[@flameguy3416]

Islam has a few words to say about music

[@tammy2760]

We don't "owe" the church for the creation of classical music. Back in the day, in order to be a financially successful musician, you HAD to write music for the church. The composers are the ones we owe for classical music, not the church which forced them to abide by their standards. Also, classical music elitism is definitely shining through this video. Claiming contemporary orchestral music to be objectively "bad" is musically illiterate. There is no good or bad music. It's in the ear of the beholder.

[@kuunda8363]

"Some people will hear "music and mathematics" and think those are very different things". - I heard this and wondered if you're a vulcan.

[@justevan877]

an intro apologetics video would be cool

[@traznian]

Did you happen to go to the Getty Sing! conference?

[@imperialbricks1977]

Christianity needs a composer of Wagner's caliber to reinvigorate worship

[@mattbalfe2983]

There are plenty of more appropriate composers than Wagner for a sacred setting...

[@imperialbricks1977]

@@mattbalfe2983 I didn't say Wagner, I said someone of his caliber. Someone who can make music that portrays both the Heavenly beauty of Christ as well as the awesome bombastic power of God.

[@lxcxtxd6506]

you said that the middle ages, and the renaissance, and the baroque period all produced “objectively beautiful art” …you do realize that the idea of “dark ages” came from Petrarch, and that Renaissance people bolstered it, right? that the art of the Renaissance came in stark contrast to the art of the Middle Ages? the music itself evolved drastically? but, nonetheless, you are saying that all those centuries, as different as they were from each other, produced “objective beauty” just because, at the time, it was cool to pay for paintings and songs about Jesus? seems to me those arts look, or sound, good to you just because they come from “the good old days” also, no shame in admitting you don’t really understand modern music, like the whole Jazz world

[@Haildarklordvader]

Wait until bro finds out about literature

[@hiptoalieu]

EXACTLY what I was saying...how would you like it if your organist thought Jacob Collier's chord voicing were the most beautiful thing in the universe...so he started adding all sorts of chord extensions like 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, and using diminished minor chords, and augmented major chords, AND even chords that combine minor and major in the same chord! Would it still be "pretty"? Would it confuse the heck out of your parishioners?? Oh and then there's SUPERHYPERULTRAMEGALYDIAN...(the sound of it isn't atrocious tho) LOL

[@sameraiza5767]

My Jewish mom listens to K Love

[@jimluebke3869]

"Every man should think his own wife is the most beautiful woman on Earth, but obviously not every member of a category can be the superlative of that category" This is why faithfulness is so crucial to a woman's beauty. The only way each man can single out his wife as "the most beautiful" to him, is if each wife is faithful to each husband.

[@christianusacross5084]

Since the Islamic world is out of control and violent can Christianity have a golden age? Spread the word! can Christians do Art Mathematics medicine and maybe science to help civilization ✝️

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

We will achieve this new golden age ONLY by retaking the Mainline Churches

[@Mikoleseuyy69]

I feel like the kind of evangelical “ hymns” you hear are really fake and orthodox music is significantly better

[@banjofangirl3458]

Dude youre great, i wish you didn't spout transphobic nonsense by 12:40. You did not have to diss trans people, especially trans christians, like that. Wack

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

I agree, there is a church i was considering so i looked at their uploads and they had terrible music and some old guy that thougt he was a comedian. Throw in some talk of heaven and you have yourself a church 🧐

[@KawaiiCanadafreememes]

The fact Classic hymns and historic Christian music is appreciated by non-religious people is enough to prove to me it's superior to contemporary Christian music which generally isn’t even enjoyed by most Christians.

[@NewLayersPodcast]

Check out Sondae or Darla Baltazar-- I thought that maybe you may like these artists 💗

[@NewLayersPodcast]

I would agree to disagree- contemporary Christian music actually HITS. Just find the right style

[@BoScotty]

I wasn't convinced until you said that classical/hymn Christian music is widely appreciated by society compared to contemporary Christian music only being enjoyed by Christians. That's a very interesting point and it's got me thinking about this topic more.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Remember - the Church's job is to impress the world, shining the light with its goodness, truth, and beauty (don't forget the beauty)

[@Tax_Collector01]

Baroque Christian music is severely underrated, falling behind classical in terms of popularity…Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc. all composed arias (vocal music) that were commissioned for churches or aristocratic individuals.

[@lawrencecastle2777]

@@redeemedzoomer6053not the beauty of a building, of Jesus and the gospel

[@itsallloveingenz]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 It reminds me of what you said about evolution on your Instagram. People who support YEC are largely Christian. It's very rare to find secular people who believe YEC. However, both Christians and secular people affirm Darwinist evolution.

[@buddigabong]

Gospel music is definitely enjoyed by people who aren't christian.

[@timboslice980]

Crazy story! I was an atheist and explicit hater of christianity but lover of humanity so i thought it was a kindness to explain how silly christianity was to anyone who would listen. I listened to a lot of dawkins, hitchens, harris that crowd. Anyway my job was doing deliveries in the mountains around colorado springs..... the only stations i could get were 2 christian stations. Klove and another local springs station. After about 6 months of being forced to listen some of the songs started getting a little familiar and sounded pretty good. Klove was foing this thing cslled the klove challenge. No theology.... no scripture.... just listen to nothing but christian music for a month think about the lyrics and nothing else. See what changes take place in your life.... i couldnt believe how much nicer to people i became. How much less selfish i became, i started thinking "man if all these people are doing this in vein, it would be an absolute tragedy" i thought maybe i could take some of the tenets of christianity and improve myself with them. One night while camping in this area called sangre de cristos i woke up in the middle of the night to relieve myself. I was stunned at what i saw... the night sky above the clouds was the most incredibly beautiful thing i had ever seen. I got thinking.... what other animal besides a human would be awestruck by such a sight? Not one... not a chimp, not an elephant, a dog, a crow, or a dolphin or any of the animals we consider intelligent by animal standards. Something is different in humans that allows us to appreciate something like that..... the thought process eventually led me to believe in god again and it all started with a CCM station having more reception than the rock stations in the mountains. Crooked sticks right?

[@IAmDawnPatrol]

Thanks for sharing your experience! Welcome my brother in Christ! ✝

[@timboslice980]

@cosmicpigeonjanitor7939 thanks.... its really amazing how the lord got to me.

[@benextraanimates7398]

Amazing just please capitalize God

[@LightningIsLit]

As a 17-year-old classical musician who has been forced to play contemporary music at a Pentecostal church, twice a week, for the past 4 years, I can tell before watching that I’m going to agree with a lot of the content in this video. I’ve always tried to voice my opinions on it but my mum just complains that I simply don’t value God and the talent he’s given me enough. Edit: He says he plays the viola, he has now lost all credibility

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Never be ashamed of hating contemporary music. That's your soul speaking to you, craving true beauty

[@LightningIsLit]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 Thanks m8, when I’m older and no longer bound by evangelicalism, I’ll do what you’re doing with your reconquesta thing, except I’ll be reforming music in the church. MARK MY WORDS IT’S GONNA HAPPEN!

[@ma_yuvari2215]

That edit😂

[@priestofronaldalt]

​@@redeemedzoomer6053 I don't think "true beauty" is the term I'd use as I'd just call it good music from a design perspective. Modern chart toppers, be it rap, pop, etc cetera seem to follow a whole different school of musical art than songs used to. Modern mainstream music looks to maximize viewer engagement through sex appeal and memorable beats as opposed to the compositional genius that makes the music of the past memorable. This focal shift to grabing the viewer's attention seems to happen to any art form whose production gets industrialized from movies, to music, video games, painting, et cetera. Actually well composed music still exists, just not mainstream.

[@roberthughes9295]

As a former math major it made me happy to hear another math major who sees God's beauty through mathematical truths! Also, Vern Poythress' book "Redeeming Mathematics" is a wonderful take on God's sovereignty and its relation to mathematical truths.

[@bengus2069]

Viola players endless struggle to produce a clear non-scratchy tone perfectly symbolizes the human struggle against the sinful heart. When we finally manage to play more than three subsequent notes perfectly in tune, (and add a lovely wide, yet slow vibrato) we can feel Gods mercy and love overflowing through the strings like the sweetest of syrupy goodness.

[@michaellaivey5904]

This comment deserves more love

[@michaellaivey5904]

Much like violas.

[@garrettheady6585]

I love this comment! It reads like poetry and it resonates with me very deeply. I don’t see a lot of love for the viola, but they are so vital to the sound of the string section. As with the body of Christ, violas cannot say they are useful because they are not a violin or a cello. Neither can a cello say they are useless because they are not a contrabass or a viola. This comment was a great blessing to me.

[@cyborg_v271]

As someone who like Christian Power Metal - Theres approprite places for different music, obviously a church service isnt going to be blasting metal. Some music can be quiet for prayer, others instil unity and music such as said metal can instill awe for the power of God. I think theres a place for all of it, so long as its from a place of worship. Id be curious though to hear others opinions on this... If anyones interested Theocracys Easter is an epic tale and Narnia's MNFST are some of my favourites

[@DarthCiliatus]

Just checked those out. Easter is now in my top 5 favorite songs.

[@contratoronto5868]

As someone who doesn't listen to CCM when I feel the need to humble myself into a posture of worship and instead chooses to listen to the likes of Wolves At The Gate or My Epic (not Power Metal, but definitely on the aggressive side of things) I wholeheartedly agree

[@Cosmin_TheMusicGuy]

Electronic music lover here, i'm with you!

[@MrOoYT]

Christian metal is really underrated. I’m a doom metal guy, and everyone in doom metal seems to love Trouble but nobody else is really into Christian metal bands apart from actual Christian communities

[@kastenbrustarmory6907]

​@@MrOoYTTROUBLE❗❗✝️✝️

[@kristopherman]

Great video! Just something that I thought was an inaccuracy: The ideas of subjectivity and self-centredness afaik are not associated with modernism but rather postmodernism, at least in the musical space. Modernism in the 20th century was very much concerned with the pursuit of objectivity and order (as a response to the perceived excesses of Romanticism), even if it can be argued some composers tried to pass off their subjective ideas as such. Webern for instance did not take his brand of twelve-tone serialism as a "personal/individual" thing but actually believed it was THE way forward, hence he called it "the new music" (we all know how that ended up). Postmodernism is what you are thinking of when it comes to epistemological relativism and the rejection of objectivity. Your point on modernism's rejection of the resolution of dissonance (which carried over into postmodernism) still stands nonetheless, though I would be slightly more lenient: despite my dislike for the music of the Second Viennese School, I respect that they were attempting to find a solution to the exhaustion of tonal music but I think they were simply looking in the wrong place. Bartok is interesting because he doesn't abandon tonality but redefines it, and his highly dissonant works finish on surprising tonal resolutions. I wonder what your thoughts might be on Debussy and the French composers, as they still preserve the resolution of dissonance but do so in a way that departs from the "functionality" of the common practice period. Another thing of interest to consider... the harmonic series produces an "exotic" scale that is not part of the 7 church modes, called the acoustic scale or Lydian Dominant since it sharpens the fourth and flattens the seventh (according to just intonation). It would only be natural to question why this scale is little-known and underused (and the modes favoured instead), since one can argue that it is baked into the physics of music by God and therefore should be at the apex of the tonal hierarchy. Finally... having revealed yourself as a violist, do you intend to post videos of yourself performing at some point? Sincerely, a composer

[@Scholscooter_1]

i should also change my name

[@GenZRemnant9748]

Probably

[@cormundum_o]

Probably

[@rynun7620]

Probably

[@liambaker2057]

Probably

[@Oatmealyum]

Probably

[@ChrisTheFreedomEnjoyer]

In my opinion, the assertion that classical music is objectively the greatest possible form of music and everything else since then has gotten it wrong is just not true. Metal is personally my favorite genre of music. Metal sounds way more beautiful to me than classical music does. There are so many metal songs that literally give me chills every time I listen to them. Hillsong isn't bad because rock music isn't beautiful, it's bad because crappy, mass-produced, public domain music isn't beautiful. If you don't believe me, listen to "Awake and Alive" by the Christian metal band Skillet. It is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.

[@maxxiong]

Our uni's acapella group did "Feel Invincible" a few years ago (no the group is not Christian)

[@Haildarklordvader]

Gives off hella Ben Shapiro vibes

[@hiptoalieu]

If you think of CWM music in that realm, then that EXACTLY proves MY point about subjective beauty! Many people think of Christian Hard Rock as being not "peaceful" enough. (LOL)

[@chillmemes5865]

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally hate metal, and just thinking about some like Linkin Park gives me a headache 😂 Please, if you’re a Christian, just make sure what you’re listening to is pure and righteous

[@jacksonmills961]

Oh you sweet soul, linkin park is barely even classified as metal. ​@@chillmemes5865

[@reginas.8533]

I'm so glad there are genz so devoted to God

[@jimluebke3869]

"Traditional music was contemporary when it was written" Yeah, and what was good is remembered, and what was bad is forgotten. Go through a modern hymnal, and you'll find each century, each decade, making its contribution to the whole.

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

What contemporary songs do you think would be included in 200 years?

[@jimluebke3869]

@@gumbyshrimp2606 I'm partial to the tune of _Earth and All Stars_ and I'm grateful people have been attempting to write less silly lyrics for it. There will probably be a style of worship using popular tunes, with Christianized lyrics. I suspect "Let It Go" will be turned into an anthem about salvation, and the original lyrics about shirking responsibility will be forgotten. No one remembers the lyrics to "Greensleeves", but everyone at least recognizes "What Child is This".

[@igorlopes7589]

Premodern church Music always remembered us of silence and quiet contemplation of God. Modern church music plays with our most animal emotions to make us feel good.

[@igorlopes7589]

​@@jimluebke3869To be fair let it go is good inside the movie's narrative, it expresses perfectly what Elsa felt at the moment. The problem is it being more remembered than Elsa finally accepting her responsabilities for the ones she loved at the end of the movie. "No right no wrong no rules for me" almost costed Anna's life

[@jimluebke3869]

@@igorlopes7589 Every single song in that movie fits well, but is full of incredibly bad judgement. "Summer" is just the icing on that cake. I guess it fits well with other Disney movie songs, though.

[@Rher_the_Moon]

Ever since I saw Disney’s Hercules as a kid I’ve loved Gospel music 😌 it really captures how more emotional people experience G-d.

[@hiptoalieu]

And I am sure (unfortunately) this guy would REALLY dislike that form of Soul/80s/charismatic leaning form of Gospel music sadly!

[@micmikeman6865]

​@@hiptoalieuNot necessarily

[@Skibidivm_Latrinae]

⁠@@hiptoalieuhe said in an earlier video that he likes black gospel music

[@WarriorcatGerda]

Pls do NOT leave the o out of God

[@johnpauljones4778]

I'm a music major (violinist) and I'm currently taking a required class on 20th century music theory. It's largely post-tonal garbage that doesn't sound good at all. There's serialism, so-called extended techniques, ametric rhythm, and lots of other nonsense that seems like it was used for the sake of it, without caring if the piece is actually enjoyable to listen to. But there are still some great composers from the 20th century who wrote actual good music. An underrated one imo is Respighi. Listen to his pieces "Church Windows" and "Concerto Gregoriano". I played the latter piece for a recital a while back

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Atonal 12-tone music, like Schoenberg, is a crime. Luckily things got a LITTLE better with Steve Reich and John Adams with their minimalism

[@hiptoalieu]

I see INNOVATION as being the most admirable part of most all classical and Neo classical composers...so yeah, Chopin was innovative but Gershwin was also hugely innovative as well.@@redeemedzoomer6053

[@sophiegarcia5]

I’m so glad you mentioned Respighi, I also believe he’s underrated… his secular music in general is just incredible.

[@sophiegarcia5]

⁠​⁠@@redeemedzoomer6053Then things got a little too ‘objectively beautiful’ and people like Ludovico Einaudi came along, who are just pop song writers without lyrics. I wonder what you think about Philip Glass… some of his stuff is quite interesting indeed but then he has some string quartets (Mishima) and piano pieces (The Hours) which I’d say are quite beautiful. I appreciate Steve Reich far more though because at least his music for 18 musicians and all that stuff are actually incredibly complex and beautiful pieces, whereas Glass, while he’s hailed as being complex and difficult, really just builds his pieces on repetitive arpeggios. I’ve had enough of people who call composers like Glass and Cage ‘geniuses’ when in actual fact they were just trying to dismantle every aspect of traditional music without even making it bearable to listen to, in many cases.

[@sophiegarcia5]

Oh, and don’t forget Barber!

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

Yeah for me personally I rather go to a church that does hymns and older worship music (before 2000s) then whatever Hillsong and Evelation is doing

[@valorantsucks60]

I am working to be a classical musician and I am so happy you made this video I have been making many of these points for a while now and it makes me glad that you are shedding some light on it Edit: nice organ btw

[@savannahke]

not sure if it's possible for a violist to have anything insightful to say about music but I'll watch I guess

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

The oppression of us never ends…

[@kawaiidays2528]

wow this really revolutionized my mind! As a music student, this made me reflect on what music is and how I can use music as a tool to fully glorify God. I guess this is why music therapy exists. Using music to help people overcome a sickness, for example, PTSD, Cancer, Amnesia etc. God's power really transcended through music eh?

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

❤ oh boy if this is how hard Zoomer goes on contemporary worship music i would love to hear his thoughts on metal and rock and roll music

[@JosiahTheSiah]

Never knew the M in STEM stood for Music 💀 1:17

[@em.the.awful.waffle]

No it's math, he got it mixed up

[@JamesPreus]

Lutherans have the best sacred music, hands down. Soli Deo Gloria!

[@protoseargeant]

I'm open to the idea of objective beauty, but I'm not convinced that fallen man is capable of fully discerning it, and I think perhaps you have an inflated idea about your own perceptions. I'm skeptical of your claims that medieval classical music is more in keeping with objective beauty than anything contemporary. I feel at the very least that objective beauty should be measured by the context of its genre (ie. is this Christian [insert genre] song more beautiful than its secular contemporaries). I refuse to believe that objective beauty is limited by man-made musical constructs, particularly choice of instrumentation. I also feel the lyrical beauty and sound doctrine of the prose is more important than the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic beauty of music used for edification. When it comes to music during a worship service at church, I do prefer Hymns, not because I believe them to be more beautiful, but because I find them more suited to a chorus of believers than other options.

[@hiptoalieu]

You can find consonant and dissonant tonal structures in pretty much ANY form of Christian music! Modern Worship Songs do a really good job of this... Take a listen to where the minor chord is placed in "Death Was Arrested" The lyric says "Darkness rejoiced as though heaven had lost..." That line ends with an A minor whole and there's a big floor tom and kick drum hit that I play to emphasize the darkness of that tone..."BUT THEN JESUS AROSE" IMMEDIATELY the band starts driving on the major tonic chord and OF COURSE it's major!

[@Littleton3513]

That song is awesome

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

That song has a lot of fluff though and still comes out as a concert rather than a hymn

[@alexism6138]

You should really check out the song creature by half•alive. It's a song I find extremely moving, but with a new style that's not at all cookie cutter contemporary. You may not like it but I think it proves Christ centered music has so much room for beauty and creativity different from the classics (which are of course amazing) and better than the uninspired repetitive nonsense most modern Christian music has become. Also, loved the video, thank you as always for your thoughtful takes on modern problems.

[@marvalice3455]

"music is more STEM and mathematics is more the arts" where's the lie though? lol

[@zwatotem]

I was hoping to see organs that you can actually play (made with note blocks), not only visual. Are there organs like that anywhere else on the server?

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

I actually have one in my church, but sadly someone messed with the note blocks so I'll fix it when I get around to it

[@ghost750x1]

Hey RZ can you post a link to the Genevan Psalter in the comments the description is blank for this video

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

sorry! Fixed it

[@ghost750x1]

​@@redeemedzoomer6053thanks no worries

[@kingkdg3262]

I remember my mama, what's told me that music is like a magic, obviously when you listen to Happy Music, you'll be happy, and sad music will make you sad, but gospel music will lift up your spirits and get close to Jesus if I remember correctly

[@paulwoodhouse3386]

I wonder how operation reconquista is going. I've picked up little hints that the Episcopalians are doing well. Can't wait to hear updates.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

it's going really well. I'm meeting the national conservative conference of Episcopalians in person tomorrow

[@paulwoodhouse3386]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 Wow, that's great! Hope the meeting goes super well!

[@coffeehousedialogue]

I ain't seeing anything like that here in Indiana. The Diocese of Indianapolis is as woke as ever.

[@IncredibleMD]

Let's be real, though: The *message* of a lot of contemporary Christian music is also pretty bad, albeit accidentally. ithink the best way to describe it would be "misguided". Sure, you're supposed to love Jesus and all that; but a lot of contemporary Christian music is just R&B or soft rock romance music about a boyfriend (but the boyfriend just so happens to be Jesus), and I don't think you're supposed to love Jesus in THAT way. A song about having a crisis of faith should not sound like a breakup song.

[@em.the.awful.waffle]

Amen

[@alexdriskell]

I also find it incredibly interesting that every pastor I’ve spoken w/ in their office when I went in was listening to classical music to help them 1). Focus 2). Come into the beauty of God. My dad is SBC pastor & every time I walked past his study I’d hear classical music being played. He’s also a former music major & music minister so that helps

[@sparklyDayz]

That’s also why we must be careful what we listen to

[@westhuizenarchives2614]

БОЖЕ ЦАРЯ ХРАНИ! ❤

[@MiaStrayer]

I love music especially classical and worship music I play the harp not professionally but I do play I like to play Christian music I'll do classical also I want to learn more music but with my learning disability and other disabilities on top of that it's hard but I enjoy music

[@AncestralGratitude85]

Huberman podcast did a similar video, which I commented that Christians should know to watch what they hear, see, think, and do on account of this reverberation of music and other entertainment. It resounds in the heart if you allow it resonate with you in some way.

[@ZenitherX]

I Started listening to psalms, cause of you bro thank you

[@ShepherdGuyIsHere]

As Hank Hill once said, "You're not making rock 'n' roll any better. You're just making Christianity worse." But seriously, as a chemistry teacher in a public school, your point about seeing the beauty of things kinda did resonate with me- I think if I can manage that, I can be WAY more effective in everything. Also, are you ever going to destroy the most beautiful presuppositionalist house?

[@Haildarklordvader]

I thought the saying was the other way around, making rock worse

[@DarthCiliatus]

I have been considering a prog metal band that's songs are exclusively from Psalms.

[@hiptoalieu]

1 Music is math where 2+2=4 BUT You can make it SOUND and FEEL like 2+2=34

[@Haildarklordvader]

That's why it's beautiful

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

LITERALLY YES! A 4/4 common time signature is just 2 subdivisions of 2 beats

[@signodeinterrogacion8361]

Just curious, what do you guys think of some more experimental contemporary classical composers that where (or still are) also Christian, like Olivier Messiaen, early Krzysztof Penderecki or Sofia Gubaidulina? I'm an atheist, but I'm still interested in seeing some other interpretations of the music I love, and recognise that the Church has had a profound impact on all of Classical Music.

[@hugo_studio_hay439]

ey i'm latvian 1/4 Lithuania Fellow baltic yay

[@jajproductionsfruitcakefil8489]

Whilst I think you've made a good argument, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, it does come across that you're implying all contemporary Christian music is bad. You say 'most' when you get onto that topic, but then after that it starts to seem that you're pooh-poohing the lot, which I can't agree with. There is certainly a lot of more, shall we say, 'flowery stuff' that I've gritted my teeth over in church, (it pains me greatly whenever I see 'oh oh oh oh' as lyrics on the screen), but plenty of more recently composed stuff is still edifying, and certain bands have appealed to non-Christian friends of mine. Also, I don't think the efforts of these musicians should be dismissed too quickly. Whilst they're work might not appeal to everyone, and therefore not be objectively beautiful, the fact that some of them are praising God and expressing their love for him in the best way they know how is, I would argue, beautiful. Looking at Psalm 150, I don't think it's giving a set of instructions on how to praise God, instead saying to just praise him with all sorts of things; in v3-5, wind, strings and percussion are represented, covering a large range. 'Let everything that breathes praise the LORD', after all, and if that is to some musicians means using, say, rock or jazz or whatever, then let them play on! I don't think you meant to dismiss all of this, but just a word of caution about how it seemed or could be misconstrued. Not that I'm an expert on anything mind, just wanted to put in my two-penny's worth.

[@davidmckelvey2601]

Redeemed Zoomer is the type of guy who would play viola.

[@nattrok]

Now I'm very curious about what he thinks of black metal

[@supaF]

Does anyone have any Christian black metal bands?

[@natezube8144]

@@supaFGospod was a really good Russian Orthodox Black Metal band, more on the atmospheric/softer side, though they recently apostatized to Paganism. Other than that, two names I have heard of but not yet listened to are Antestor and Extol.

[@AeroTimYT]

@@supaF crimson moonlight, Ignite the gods, symphony of heaven

[@kastenbrustarmory6907]

​@@supaFHorde‼️there's also a pretty large contingent of black metal that isn't anti-christian or pagan like Dawn or Vinterland

[@maxxiong]

I have a different experience because CCM was what drew me to church initially. CCM is simpler harmonically but that doesn't necessarily make it less beautiful, because beauty is not one dimensional. After all God created plains and hills and valleys and called all of them good. But loud drums can be distracting for sure. I would instead hazard a guess that classical music can sound more sacred because the modern tuning system sounds more out of tune than classical tuning systems in easy keys.

[@paulsocie7152]

Amen❣️

[@patrickm.4469]

Kings Kaleidoscope is amazing and nothing like the rest of contemporary Christian music. I highly recommend them. Rain and The Rush are my 2 favorite songs by them

[@hiptoalieu]

4 BEAUTY IS SUBJECTIVE Because God created humans with the ability to appreciate different aspects of exquisitely crafted things that He created! For instance, which is MORE beautiful, a rose or a root structure? Well we know that they were both created by the Author of Beauty and the Scriptures do say He has made everything beautiful in HIS time, so they are BOTH beautiful, just in completely different ways. Plus perception plays a big role as well, do you look at a rose and see the flowers before the thorns, or the other way around? Or yes a Venus flytrap is gorgeous but because of the predatory nature of that plant, some people would completely overlook it's beauty.

[@georgiamapping]

I agree with most of the things you say, but a blanket statement saying all contemporary Christian music is objectively not beautiful is false. I have experienced more of that spiritual elevation you were mentioning with contemporary music such as Oceans by Hillsong than traditional organ music or hymns. I would however agree that most CCM is garbage, but I would still say some is beautiful.

[@luthien_tinuviel6781]

17:32 wooaahhhh yeah that's true! I have always wondered what felt wrong to me when Atheists would say God can't be real because He is not able to be seen etc, but they cannot say that because not all things we know as true/real can be seen. Even then, they might say they don't believe in truth, but they're believing that they don't believe in truth, which to them is truth (if that makes sense). So they can't even rule that out. That's a good useful fact to have in my pocket!

[@ma_yuvari2215]

As a violinist, minute 24:00 caught me so offguard sir😂😂😂. You are indeed a violist very into the music world😂😂

[@ShepherdGuyIsHere]

We band kids have the exact same jokes about trumpeters. (must be something about soprano instruments) Actually, we have jokes about every instrument. Flute = hyperfeminine to the point that male flautists' sexuality is constantly called into question Clarinet = blames EVERYTHING that goes wrong on a bad reed, even if it's completely unrelated to music Saxophone = generic NPC; lives for memes F Horn = somehow more annoying and egotistical than trumpeters Trombone = never matured past like 12 Euphonium (that was me) = either the biggest gigachads you've ever met or complete loners; there is no in between Tuba = fat and stupid Percussion = constantly pretending to be cool, but actually kinda mid

[@ma_yuvari2215]

@@ShepherdGuyIsHere yo the horn and trombone ones 😆 yeah it might be sopran instruments (that makes sense) but in orchestra ive never heard the trumpets being poked fun of as egotistical.

[@DarthCiliatus]

@@ShepherdGuyIsHere I'm a percussionist (bass and guitar too) and therefore I'm objectively cooler than all those other nerds.

[@pipingpepsi6665]

I actually had a question for you relating this topic… what is your opinion on Matt Boswell, Keith and Kristyn Getty, and Matt Papa? These four create music with a strict meter (thereby having the structure of traditional worship music) but the music they create is often set to a contemporary instrumentation…

[@pipingpepsi6665]

(Also, forgive the four-digit tag at the end of my username; KZbin assigned it to me, and I haven’t bothered to change it…)

[@TolkienAnswers]

What is your thought of Bible-belt fundamentalists who say that the organ and hymns are the only morally correct expression of music?

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Might explain it differently, but I agree with the general sentiment. It's one of the few areas where I actually agree with fundamentalist Baptists

[@TolkienAnswers]

​@@redeemedzoomer6053I agree there is an objective element on the quality of music (as you discussed in your video) but I don't think I would say music in of itself has a moral element.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

@@TolkienAnswers goodness truth and beauty are connected tho. Plato said music is a moral law

[@Kayla-ze1ur]

I was reading that a week ago in Plato’s republic for school. Music feeds directly into the soul, surpassing the mind, and it makes people love what’s good and hate what’s evil. According to Plato. Great book. Who wants to suffer with me and read it?

[@nullskull6860]

While i agree with you a ton o thought id mention that specifically with major and minor chords. The idea of them being sad or tense i do believe is cultural. Here in the west and in Europe we see those that way but i.ve heard some other places see minor chords not as sad but instead beautiful.

[@stevenstandefer3614]

Love your stuff dude, keep it up! God bless!

[@hiptoalieu]

It might surprise you that ALMOST all people associated churches with those things, HOWEVER this is also why many people said they wouldn't "darken the doorstep" of a church. Where other Christian's saw beauty...others saw, an obsession with formality and traditionalism.

[@Haildarklordvader]

It might surprise him that all the stuff that he says about "modern culture" and atheism isn't really real outside California. Bro also straw man's atheist arguments (I'm not atheist, but I've never met one that says the things he supposedly says.

[@joshgiguere4700]

Good vid. Would have been even better if you had spliced in examples of the different musical concepts you were talking about

[@CliffCardi]

“A Mighty Fortress is our God” ( a Martin Luther original) is hands down the best hymn.

[@gang.jesus_]

I love both Contemporary and Classical Worship music, but i do agree that the classical worship music is objectively beautiful.

[@Cosmin_TheMusicGuy]

Could you suggest any (free) resources that teach music theory in more of a mathematical way and in close relationship to spiritual realities?

[@hiptoalieu]

Hey, the big secret is out and now we ALL KNOW you like Hans Zimmer... So that's what you should do, compose your OWN worship songs by incorporating as MANY elements from your fav Zimmer scores as you can, while still keeping things SINGABLE (yes contemporary Christian artists do care about that) and not so complicated that the tonal/rhythmic/chordal components distract from the message of the lyrics! But first here are some artists you NEED to check out if you think modern worship music is just "The Big Four" (Bethel/Elevation/Hillsong/Chris Tomlin...but even these mainstream artists are stretching their creativity, in fact Bethel's song By The Grace Of God has 4 verses like a hymn, and even has a similar rhythmic cadence to Amazing Grace!) River Valley Worship Shane & Shane Planet Shakers Church Of The City The Belonging Co For King & Country Citizens Rend Collective Lindy Cofer And The Circuit Riders Brook Ligertwood Brandon Lake Crowder Anne Wilson Tasha Cobbs Leonard

[@JohnJohnson-jr6hp]

"Nobody can question whether math is real" or so you say. The secularists have many abilities you might consider unnatural

[@JonathanBrinker]

The best example of this is Handel’s Messiah. It’s beautiful.

[@ninjaartist1235]

Heck, there are metal bands that use more classical/gospel like elements more than the modern church!!!

[@tmorganriley]

FYI: Note that 2024 is the 350th Anniversary of a landmark year of Anglophonic (English-language) hymnody. 1674 saw two great events: 1.) The publication of Thomas Ken's three hymns that are cited as arguably the birth of English hymnody (in terms of breaking away from the Psalms-only), including the words of the now-universally-beloved Common Doxology ("Praise God from Whom all Blessings Flow") and 2.) The birth of the great hymnodist Isaac Watts, whose work is the standard which most subsequent hymns have emmulated and been judged by.

[@louannebvb]

I once went to a Lutheran Church. The organist celebrated his birthday in the church, and he and his wife (I think) played this Mendelssohn songs without words piece with piano and cello, and I was so moved by the music that I started playing during it and I became a Mendelssohn fan. Also, I think Bach is overrated.

[@louannebvb]

I saw this contemporary Christian band called Riders who got a comment from an atheist, who loved their music so much that they would go to church if church played that music. I know this was partially a joke but cmon.

[@cattheone5186]

typical viola complaining about the glory of the violins

[@Haildarklordvader]

Lower lifeform praises higher lifeform

[@huskyspin1007]

I'm watching this on the toilet

[@SCAM-BUSTER.777]

You're a comment is not a Christ-like comment. TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

[@neonlove5456]

Expel the evil from your body, my brother in Christ