The Spoke Motor - the next-generation of the electric motor

Equipmake has 20 years' experience in developing and integrating industry-leading electric vehicle powertrains.
One of its innovations is the APM200 spoke motor, a lightweight, compact, high performance electric motor. Ian Foley, managing director of Equipmake, explains how it works and why it is the next-generation of the electric motor.
equipmake.co.uk

[@happyfox711]

As others have stated, of course every company makes the same claims, but a funny exception is IBM that actually was the first to mass produce the worlds most efficient electric motor (a permanent magnet outrunner), didn't make a lot of fuzz about it, just stuck it in harddrives that in itself got so famous the motor kind of drowned in the sensation.

[@happyfox711]

@Derek Rowe Do you ?? I must be watching the wrong ones then, cause I feel like I overestimated the entire human population, if youtube comments are in any way an indicator of general mental abilities...

[@happyfox711]

@Derek Rowe Ok, I'll admit it happens to me too from time to time, but far from every video.. Some very specialized video's can contain a lot of info, both from the video itself and the comment section, but those are far between, in my opinion anyways.. I must say I envy your way of looking at the bright side !

[@ambersmith6517]

Fisher and Paykel have made them for decades lots of others copied

[@excitedbox5705]

@Paolo G Yes these days it is all companies fighting over who was the first to make a tiny change to an old design while the guys actually inventing something new can't afford to compete with all the patent restrictions. I have come up with several great inventions but when some company owns the patent for some minor sub part of that product it becomes to expensive to get off the ground without a large upfront investment. Patent laws need to be rewritten because companies make wide sweeping claims that cover things they never even intended and that limits innovation. Laws should be changed that they only cover things you are actually using or working on.

[@4Tg_Barmaley]

Is there a website for this company?

[@funny-video-YouTube-channel]

*Perfect for electric bikes and scooters,* where the size of the motor is very important. Our electric future just got much better with this motor !

[@grey1wa]

That's exactly why I clicked on this..

[@ScottyDMcom]

Next generation? Spin the magnets and electronically commutate the stationary windings, is a the very definition of a brushless DC motor. Brushless DC motors have been used in every single disk drive shipped since the 80s, and they've been in use in other industries as well.

[@happyfox711]

It's not an outrunner like those, though, this design is waaaay older.. I'm sure you'll find a Tesla or rather Edison patent somewhere..

[@murraymadness4674]

But but the magnets are different...the next generation motors actually don't use magnets, they can run really really hot without issues and so can be air-cooled.

[@Mr_Joseph979]

I wanted to see a running prototype

[@SpiritofDaniel]

As a Design Engineer, the best way to cool is to encompass the motor in a vacuum with a compatible refrigerant and connected fan cooled radiator. This is by Far the most effective way.

[@ophello]

SpiritofDaniel good luck keeping a vacuum pulled on a commercial electric motor...

[@SpiritofDaniel]

@@ophello It's done all the time in refrigeration. It's just never been taken to the next level with any extreme motor at least that I know of

[@dgretlein]

As in HVAC systems .... all over the world.

[@enemies2memories]

Do you have any designs of this? Secondly, do you have a general range of how much it would cost to create a prototype?

[@SpiritofDaniel]

@@enemies2memories To some degree. You need a rare earth magnetic through-coupling instead of a sealed shaft. A remote radiator can be used in a different location if needed

[@johnbodnar3720]

Hope all goes well

[@mikepeterson6527]

What about the frequency of the motor?

[@nocomment389]

So it is a brushless motor with liquid cooling in the magnets ?

[@abcdefgh-db1to]

Basically yes. A permanent magnet one, not an induction motor.

[@nocomment389]

@@abcdefgh-db1to A synchronous AC motor with sensor controlled 3 phase, and with permanent magnets on the rotor

[@high4702]

How 3d flux path improves flux density instead of 2d flux path?

...and not a second of video showing it running on a stand or something. CGI guys getting rich!

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

Are they as efficient as the axial magnetic flux motors from Yasa or Magnax? Probably not.

[@cjjenson8212]

Looking for a 80kw 300 or better torque, that can match to a t-case? Got one?

[@VeraMaier]

How efficient? No data?

[@jeffreyrodriguez1913]

Should’ve went to college for CGI, no need for performance tests, just make CGI.

[@nannerin]

Nicely put.

[@shaunshepherd6227]

Should have "Gone"

[@fryncyaryorvjink2140]

Wish there was more info on this. Is it more powerful because by turning the magnets 90 degrees you can fit more?

[@daviddavids2884]

this video contains mostly hype. (i could provide links, but they are rejected.) you can find an answer, yourself. look up bldc inrunner and bldc outrunner motor. an inrunner configuration is seen in this video. see my comment, above. wikipedia is a good place to start. but, not everything is correct, there. some of the description of bldc operation, on wikipedia, is NOT correct. (bldc = brushless dc)

[@fryncyaryorvjink2140]

@@daviddavids2884 yea I figured since I couldn't find more info it must not be that much better

[@AaronSchwarz42]

IPM internal permanent magnet motor often utilized in generators like the HONDA EU2200 & ACG starter motor alternator of the Honda PCX150 Many electric vehicles & some handheld vacuum cleaners utilize IPM motors with NdFeB high magnetic flux density magnets arranged in a spoke setup // Mitsubishi mini-split heat pump systems also make use of high efficiency IPM motors in the heat loop compressor stage for exceptional energy efficiency // Some self balancing scooters & electric bicycles also make use of IPM motors

[@tomthumb3085]

Extremely interesting and innovative technology. This could be a game changer undoubtedly.

[@gatoninja4387]

the controller box is as big as the motor,it's a slow motor, I don't see the novel invention.... it's the same old crap no like .... It could be used to heat water..hahahaha

[@Afrocanuk]

This guy is saying their Spoke Motor has the highest torque density, yet the same claim is being made by the manufacturer of the EVO Axial Flux motor.

[@zeuss194]

No value given, only where is the load test on dynamometer ?

[@excitedbox5705]

But the HET motor has the highest of everything because it has 2 radial and 2 axial rotors in addition to magnetic transmission to adjust every parameter for maximum performance. :) I am kidding but that motor does actually offer pretty much all designs in 1 motor at the same time. I had come up with the same idea and while researching it found out that they had just filed the patent.

[@fourbypete]

They didn't mention if it was cheaper than the competitors. To me that means you'll be paying super car prices so they'll probably go broke unless a Hyper car company orders them. I'd like to see a company making bolt it replacments for existing vehicles to make conversion to EV easier for current ICE owners.

[@vaibhavsharma7136]

Have you tried to use neodymium magnets.. ?

[@leoleydekkers7024]

This is a forced cooled switched reluctance motor - invented in the 19th century - 50 years before Nicola Tesla invented the induction motor. Nothing new here...

[@imemine7]

No it is not. A switched reluctance motor uses magnetic steel laminations, not permanent magnets.

[@leoleydekkers7024]

@@imemine7 Ah! Someone at least did a bit of research. You are correct - it is a switched synchronous PM motor. Still nothing new here...

[@dilipdas5777]

@@leoleydekkers7024 PM motor means permanent magnet?

[@gatoninja4387]

the controller box is as big as the motor,it's a slow motor, I don't see the novel invention.... it's the same old crap no like .... It could be used to heat water..hahahaha

[@abcdefgh-db1to]

@@gatoninja4387 Not exactly permanent magnet synchronous machines are one of the most efficient motors there is, it is one of the most expensive too. You will see this kind of motors in the Tesla model 3 for example. But yeah, nothing new here.

[@theq-1]

I designed something nearly identical to this back in the 1990s (I called it a pulse motor) when I was a physics student but at the time the magnets were weak and too heavy and mosfets were non existent... then decided for some dumb idea to be an accountant.. Ended up in software... would love to have seen it through as I have some more genius ideas.. but never have the resources or time.

[@DPain82]

Use accounting to pursue and fund your inventions.

[@theq-1]

@@DPain82 kids, fees... houses are mega expensive in south of england.. wife would leave if i gambled big bucks... :-)

[@DPain82]

@@theq-1 well if your wife leaves because you are chasing your passion was she really there to begin with?

[@colto2312]

@@DPain82 Our society does nothing but bash innovation XD

[@exitparadise2244]

T=0:31s. What if this was shaped like a funnel?

[@shanemartin2491]

Is it submersible?

[@LordGryllwotth]

Everything is!

[@shanemartin2491]

@@LordGryllwotth hmmm good point. Let me try again. Will this work for a long time under water without fucking out in a manner than could be best described and prematurely and in an incidence that may be prone to inducing danger or risk?

[@e.rivera4251]

I work with power tools, right now there is a revolution from brush to brushless , more efficient and lighter ; could this be next ?

[@abcdefgh-db1to]

The brushless revolution was done 15-20 years ago, it's just that only now they thought of putting it in power tools. About the video, nothing revolutionary there, they just improved cooling a bit.

[@geoffmooregm]

@@abcdefgh-db1to Power tools are all about cost. Your right, brushless is old technology. But when it comes to big box store power tools it has to be common place technology that is at the point of rapid mass production to maximize profits for the manufacturer and the retailer.

[@PerpetualMotor]

The flux encapsulation and cooling is nice.

[@realvanman1]

A highly developed permanent magnet salient pole synchronous motor?

[@djatnikasaleh2218]

Ok you said "lightweight" how weight it's compare to Tesla electric motor with the same power.

[@jamesleetrigg]

Are you the spokesman ?

[@stevegraham3817]

We need a company like this to start making electric motorbike conversion kits at affordable prices. Someone needs to mass produce a few million of them and make an absolute fortune instead of chasing Manufacturers for a one off price, and who already have these designs sitting in their R&D departments.

[@shanehowerton9382]

I have a new energy source to make them endless range with power as needed. If I could just get a bone I will be moving this direction as well as many others.

[@davidlocoh]

@@shanehowerton9382 Really?

[@Unmannedair]

So it's a multi pole stepper motor with a solid magnet core arranged in a halbach array with liquid cooling. I don't understand what's so new about this? Tesla has this in all the high end sports car motors. I'm assuming this is using at least a hexphased controller with a current chopper? From what I understand these motors have been around sans neodymium magnets since the 60s. Weren't really practical till rare Earth's were used though.

[@JozeatTxb]

Good reply. Many people in upstarts like the company here tend to get carried away, believing perhaps as well youtube is a "safe" place to hoodwink gullible people. Definitely there is nothing new here, Excellent explanation from you👍

[@happyfox711]

If these - as you claim - are not produced, which I find hard to believe, it's maybe because as you say one look for the highest possible flux, other producers jump directly to halbach-array type designs ?

[@ketanpratap9]

where are the stators

[@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738]

And they are all, UNOBTAINIUM. Play Safe From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.

[@opaaloys]

This " Spokemotor" is a design of Prof. Piero de Filipi from Genova. since 1999.

[@saminsiddiquee2059]

Good Job, keep up the good R&D

[@zainshahee]

0:55 cooling system for motor

[@arifmekanik]

Higt torque...with permanent magnet. Very Good idea

[@augustinelopez1508]

Thank You For Your Bravery In Posting I believe it's been one of the greatest issued in the sectors. It sounds like you guys did it with water. Cool & Congrats. Guys. ⛅😯😎☕☕✌

[@TurkVladimir]

Interesting Video

[@slatey2609]

Just watched a video on printed magnets that could be useful in some way if they could be incorporated in this motor.

[@snkrinnovation9791]

Stephen Slater could you share the link?

[@slatey2609]

@@snkrinnovation9791 kzbin.info

[@FukU2222]

@@slatey2609 That is a link to a channel - has nothing about printing magnets (at least currently)

[@ChipEnet]

Jolly brilliant chaps. Rule Britannia ! Although Lucas, Prince of Darkness is more likely the case. When's the last time a British company has produced reliable mass production technology ? Limited production exotic ? Yes but affordable mass produced goods ? Pray that Toyota will approve.

[@johnburns4017]

Must be a dumb Yank. Boy, they breed them. Rolls Royce, who only used the best, used Lucas. In the 1970s the USA was scared stiff of smaller more efficient cars, so the auto giants instigated a sneer campaign on other makes/nations cars. US cars are the most unreliable I have ever had. BTW, Lucas made the fuel injection on the Spitfires. *F* ound *O* on *R* road *D* dead.

[@proteinman1981]

They are only using half the magnetic flux from the magnets, there are better designs out there now

[@cjjenson8212]

Which companies?

[@ZubinB]

@@cjjenson8212 YASA for one.

[@cjjenson8212]

@@ZubinB thanks

[@sailingonasummerbreeze7892]

Do an IPO - and will buy stock!

[@smotmot]

BLDC anyone? Nice cooling system though.

[@Dana5775]

Of course you do not need magnets ! Tesla uses ac motors (he did not want to be dependent on rare earth magnets. They also loose efficiency when they heat up. They eventually loose power after being overheated too many times!

[@abcdefgh-db1to]

Permanent magnet motors have a few advantages though, better power to weight ratio, better overall efficiency and better control (forward and reverse) but apart from that it is true that they are more fragile thermally, are more costly and use rare earths. By the way the Tesla model 3 uses permanent magnet motors !

[@Dana5775]

abcd efgh thanks!

[@aquarionh2o132]

Prove your efficiency claims and then also start producing permanent magnetic generators using the same tech.

[@AccordGTR]

I want one for my scooter

[@probyngayle6949]

Don't think SRM's use permanent magnets.

[@ophello]

Bobbum man is gonna violate your bobbum with his equipmunk

[@patrickla8886]

Electric Hub Drive Motors if can be made lightweight and very powerful could could revolutionize automotive car designs but you need superconductive magnets that work at roughly room temperature was some kind of cooling that would be a leap

[@AccordGTR]

Imagine a lightweight motor putting out the same power as the engine of a Honda Civic Type R?!

[@aggabus]

Drawing Fail lable stator 1:08

[@FukU2222]

Actually, they don't even highlight the stator. They point to the cooling jacket surrounding it

[@ko-prometheus]

Hello. You have information on an electric motor of approximately 500 kW, which has a Gigantic torque of approximately 700-1000 N/kg. At the same time, low-speed about 10-100 rpm / minute ---------------------------------------- Привет. У вас есть информация, на электродвигатель примерно 500 kW, имеющий Гиганский момент вращения примерно 700-1000 N/kg. При этом низкооборотистый примерно 10-100 об./мин.

[@ArifBillahOnGoogle]

*Meanwhile another motor company:* these motors are all fine, but... so we've made this....

[@cossiedriverrs]

You may like to see the motors employed in recent Kone lifts..... I think they beat you to it

[@NoosaHeads]

Well spoken.

[@firetip198]

i want one for my 1981 volkswagon pickup !

[@chuckeynewkirk199]

The future now wow

[@malcolmmiddleton5883]

good luck i wish you well

[@happyfox711]

I don't see anything but a horrendously old design with FERRITE magnets. The only thing you got is the through-shaft cooling that enables you to run them harder. Time for an upgrade ? Neodynium perhaps ? This can hardly be the worlds most compact design anymore. I would think everything you say in the video was valid 25 years ago. But today I simply don't believe what you say is true. With the upload being done in 2018 this is very deceptive marketing.

[@abcdefgh-db1to]

It's not ferrite, it's neodymium, there's just a thermal coating on them.

[@happyfox711]

@@abcdefgh-db1to ok, but still, this hardly seems cutting edge to me at least. Whenever you need cooling it takes a lot away from efficiency.

[@abcdefgh-db1to]

@@happyfox711 definitely nothing cutting edge. They might have improved cooling a bit but nothing more

[@Peter_Riis_DK]

What a load of rubbish...

[@javoproject_javoshop]

Thanks for your share us for high technologies!

[@paullawtable]

The Williams F1 flywheel was a disaster if memory serves me well.

[@chandraprakash2658]

Radial flux does not produce torque density it provides speed

[@christophemalvasio5569]

well electro-magnets are much more powerful than magnets so ...

[@KOl-xj4jt]

rotate coils magnets always stator

[@alfonsogonzalez1988]

En español

[@omnianti0]

220kw battery is 22 000 cells for 2tons it make a car a bit weak for the expense

[@buaidhnobas1ify]

Just think how far we would be if electric cars dominated the market and not gasoline ones. Greed wins, yeah!

[@theq-1]

Combustion are actually greener thanks to the amount of lithium required to build an electric car. An electric car only has less carbon at about 80,000 miles if it required no parts up until then. Google it and read the studies.

[@vyranlaise8356]

Ya right 30 years ago. When I developed this rim motor. I was threatened by oil company's to so stop working on my Rim motors. If I even talked about it to anyone I would be delt with./ killed then they kicked the shit out of me and took my first prototype. I use oil for cooling and lubrication I ran it through a oil cooling tank I rigged up. It keep the parts lubricated and cooled dam good. It steadily cooled the motor!pretty good I also used metal seals with rubber waaher. Used to hold the fluid in the cooling system. I was worried about it over heating but it stayed at 120° when I worked the motor hard the only problem, I was having was the upper bearings keeping them lubes so it didn't get hot either. When the motor was running at slow speeds. It just didn't work that well. I mostly used batterys for power. Only when You get up in speed did it start to really produce some good numbers on the odometer. Only one advice I can give you. The size and the to rati. Is the most in port part to make your spoke motors run perfectly with enough power to really work great. Good lock with your spoke motors.

[@mworld]

This design is not new even in 2018. There are generators using this design.

[@Matriarchy_Feminism]

It's my technology

[@TheAverageYouCuber]

Have you filed for a worldwide patent?? No?? Or have you been granted a restricted licence agreement not that's it's entirely relevant as it's legally not your concept within the legal sense! If none of the above, then this maybe extremely hard for you to prove and therefore just random hearsay, just saying!

[@picobyte]

Nothing new here, just better magnets and cooling that prevents those magnets from degaussing.

[@sunsaverfromnhh9184]

My motors use high power magnets too, but they don't get hot and don't need any cooling system. I'm looking for an investor or venture capitalist to pay for my patent application process, and to form a corporation to market a similar technology that will likely be much lighter and cooler-running at the same power output of what is shown here.

[@salihp147]

Can you provide link to datasheet

[@muthulingamramiah5546]

This is awesome...

[@arnoekarts7114]

Yes.Bro..but.we.have.one.problem...madeinchina......

[@tribulationcoming]

All I want is an electric motor bike! With a 5 to 6 hundred mile range!!

[@shanehowerton9382]

They are blocking my inventions to give endless range in all electronics.

[@tribulationcoming]

@@shanehowerton9382 Just put up a video of a pulse coil thing. using 12 volts it charge the caps to over 1,000 volts, quick.

[@tribulationcoming]

@@shanehowerton9382 Yes, you might reveal something that would be a concern to national security or help mankind.

[@jimmyjoeh2o]

im with u there

[@davidlocoh]

@@shanehowerton9382 What’s your email

[@madeariartha2546]

cant wait the magnet motors come

[@marktirabassi7873]

Solve the cooling problem then it will sell . Back to the drawing board. To hot in the desert to use them

[@supercars6050]

There is nothing next generation about this These types of brush less motor have been around for 15 years now at least. This particular one is a In runner there are out runners as well that use the same technology Model aircraft and RC cars use this all the time

[@RexAlfieLee]

This isn't new it's just an infomercial...

[@adolpherazey4459]

Great fantastic awesome now make a motor kit for my fat bike so i can buy it

[@therookienomore88]

Absolutely. Motorcycles, cars, trucks, etc!

[@donaldwright2426]

See here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYabaKpor9yifs0, a dual-stator design that really take full advantage of the available flux.

[@brianbassett4379]

A hub-motor by any other name is just as lame. Put the power into the drive-train that's what the gears are for.

[@stumccabe]

This is just an ad for this company. I'm out.

[@TheAverageYouCuber]

Flux over unity regards to Lenz law is nothing new within this area of innovation, research and development although the floodgates within this area are finally being opened despite the technological obstacles on design and compliance initiatives! IF I was a Dragon venture capitalist then my words would be, you've got my attention!! The big and only questions normally always apply as am sure you'll understand such as the figures, business flexibility, licence agreements aswell as any pending patents, sustainability and pre-tax profitability over the next fiscal year(s) from each quarterly sales growth/forecasts! Suffice to say it's a very impressive but short pitch!! IF I was a venture capitalist then one of my main fundamental questions however would be, if I may, is that of your USP over other rivals within this field (pardon the pun) such as EVO for example?? These are questions and answers would be best subject to a NDA prior to an investment(s) between both parties to help protect all cooperate company secrets and interests aswell as pending investments. Meanwhile I bid you very best wishes as your all doing great! 🙂👍

[@christopherthumm7861]

How is that an invention? Im 35 and i have 3 more efficient ideas that trump this ac motor with added permanent magnets frequency and vibration is the the only sustainable future that was invented a hundred years ago by Tesla

[@aggabus]

My cryo turbo generator need only Rotor stator No cover no cool No gear

[@donlino5475]

No jodas

[@AsitisToday]

Soon to be obsolete new motor smaller higher rpm and more torque on the horizon

[@NordicDan]

Now make a miniaturized 12VDC version that I can retrofit into my 32+ year-old truck to replace the heater blower motor that there's no OEM replacement for....

[@FukU2222]

I don't think you need this type of kit for your air-con blower-motor.... ahahah

[@FukU2222]

Surely there is an aftermarket solution

[@NordicDan]

@@FukU2222 There is aftermarket, but they're brushed motors that don't have nearly the torque or RPM under identical conditions as the OEM NipponDenso units. They suffer from poorly designed bushings, much shorter armature stacks and much thinner copper used to make the commutators. The brushes used in the aftermarket units are even smaller. Just a poor design all around. The poor bushings also lead to the motor making loud squeaking noises at all speeds that are an insane annoyance. As an alternative, I'm working on designing an upgrade method that I can use on OEM motors to rebuild them, allow them to move much more air and run quieter and cooler than even factory new, and vastly improved over the aftermarket units.

[@VacuumTube88]

What a pile of bullshit and false advertising they "invented" a watercooled Switched Reluctance DC motor

[@clydecox2108]

Stargate motor is much better

[@rizauka4859]

📡🤗🛠️👍🗝️✨📝

[@TheJademan85]

How many kilos. Buy it from where. Ah, screw that! 😒

[@ЯкСорок]

Next gen... Small shopkeery invent another bike for sale. Ahah!

[@yiqiwang4506]

Brushless DC Motor with more magnets........Fraud...

[@CHMichael]

This doesn't sound new .

[@hexagonmagnetics569]

Bullshit!