The “SpongeVerse” Is A JOKE

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

One last video for the year. How Did We Get Here? - 0:00 Broken Canon: Sandy's "Time Travel" - 2:22 Broken Canon: The Secret Formula - 4:18 Broken Canon: Patrick's "Parents" - 6:05 The Staff's Intent - 7:06 Debunking The "Vacuum" - 8:48 Why It Matters - 10:27 Debunking The 'Dimensions' - 11:13 Too Safe - 13:04 What Kamp Koral Offers - 13:43 What The Patrick Star Show Offers - 14:55 How It's Too Safe - 16:26 Debunking the "Episodic" Argument - 17:46 The Actual Excuse - 19:20 It's ALL The Same - 23:38 The 'Planet Sheen' Example - 26:04 The 'Casagrandes' Example - 27:10 Addressing "Bubble Bass Reviews" - 27:51 The 'American Dad' Example - 28:29 What Happens Now? - 29:42

[@XxProGamerUSAxX]

Ok

[@superkillskulldeath6624]

you could put it this way where spongebob made the stuff then it was burned to ash but then crabs re found out how to make it but even that has holes because crabs said and showed that he made it him self when he was poor with plankton

[@bendu8282]

Uh Jay one problem with your criticism. Sandy’s time travel shenanigans caused a Multiverse event , by sending her past self back in time she created an alternate timeline where her & SpongeBob know each other as kids to be honest this isn’t the first time SpongeBob has time travel shenanigans either. Squidward created a time loop when time traveling early on in the show since he introduced jelly fishing to cave man SpongeBob & Patrick in prehistoric times only to go back to the present and find out by SpongeBob & Patrick that he invented Jellyfishing which originally would make no sense since this is a sport he personally hates. There is also all the future time traveling alone SpongeBob & Patrick did in that mermaid man and Barnacle Boy episode where they originally changed the past causing Man Ray to take over the sea only to try to go back in time again and undo this reality so that their old one can come back but they continuously fail to stop Man Ray causing multiple furture versions of them to come back to the past from alternate futures multiple times creating temporal time clone variants from various alternate timelines. There is also SpongeBob & Squidward meeting bubbles that interdimensional space Dolphin who monitors time and space in SpongeBob 2 where they distract him from his job so Jupiter gets destroyed. There is also the joke where Patrick tells Sponegbob he invented a parallel universe when showing him a mirror of himself which SpongeBob ignores but we find out right after that the mirror reflection of SpongeBob is actually a different SpongeBob from another universe. So this just goes to show that SpongeBob has always been doing time travel/Multiverse shenanigans. At the end of the day all the shows contradict each other especially the main line SpongeBob show’s canon, because SpongeBob itself doesn’t have much of a continuity, the continuity in SpongeBob’s universe is only relevant based on the episode.

[@btsxdreamxspongebobfanfict1796]

Yeah but did i ask lol

[@JamesWagner-vv9iz]

Okay but this was honestly transphobic

[@tylermccaw8092]

Poor Steven Hilenberg. It’s honestly a shame what they’ve done to his show.

[@winkwinkmits7410]

real

[@jaxsterminator8634]

He would have loved it. They’re making SpongeBob better.

[@joelroman6839]

@@jaxsterminator8634 ???

[@Dezlite]

I would've liked it of they didn't make the spinoffs and improved the main show instead. The spinoff (especially Kamp Koral is the same show).

[@quanashiab.9620]

​@@jaxsterminator8634LIAR!

[@BlazeRBXonYT]

To be honest SpongeBob making the formula also clearly contradicts the episode "Friend or Foe?" (still an episode vaguely a part of original SpongeBob, shown to the public in 2007) where Plankton and Krabs canonically been friends prior to their rivalry as kids, which began with them MAKING THE FORMULA. Krabs and Plankton both discover the secret formula together (naming it the "Plab Patty" as a spin on their names) and then when they fought on it, thus ripping the original recipe in half, both of them go their separate ways providing a different conclusion to how the delectable dish would be made, aka inventing the chum burger and the krabby patty since one went with homemade ingredients while the other went to science. That completely gets contradicted with BOTH krabs and plankton learning that SpongeBob made the first krabby patty recipe in Kamp Koral... either way that spinoff series is the death of the original canon.

[@cajunking5987]

But… didn’t SpongeBob’s formula burn up? So the formula is safe for Mr Krabs and Plankton to rediscover…? Like sandy said?

[@BlazeRBXonYT]

@@cajunking5987 It would have been if that episode I stated wasn't of Krabs and Plankton as children and as young adult camp directors instead, but since this was when the two were kids it completely defies the whole logic that they had to "rediscover it".

[@spyro2002]

​​@@cajunking5987in friend or foe krabs and plankton discover the formula *as kids* so it should be already discovered when Kamp coral would theoretically take place

[@Mooms]

SpongeBob’s lore constantly contradicts itself anyway

[@cajunking5987]

@@spyro2002 ohhh ok I didn’t remember them being kids my bad

[@AzureRoxe]

There will never be anything funnier than when a company makes an episode about overmilking something being bad, only for them to do it themselves.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Absolutely

[@eatatjoes6751]

Yeah, it’s sad and hilarious.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

and now they're gonna start overmilking avatar....

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They’re not milking it, they’re making it BETTER.

[@mayo_-]

@@jaxsterminator8634 stop the cap lmaoooo

[@diandremosley]

If any character could've made a spinoff work It would be Sandy... Have it take place with her family in Texas this makes a distinctive world with unique characters & can have new stories that can be told

[@joelroman6839]

THIS

[@TyshawnRobinson-z7c]

Perfect, genuinely a spinoff of Sandy, Squidward or Mr Krabs for that matter sounds better than the actual spinoffs we've gotten. Like who genuinely gives a f*cking sh*t about Kamp Koral. And as of the Patrick Star Show it's way too weird, bizarre and is not grounded in it's world or characters for that matter for me to not even Care. The characters in these shows are not fleshed out at all and are the exact same show just one is SpongeBob in camp, the other is Patrick. Overall this is one of the worst universe ever, say what you want about the MCU but at least it's not just the same.

[@Corndogッ]

YES

[@bluehairedaigaming]

Have you ever heard of SpongeBob Fanon Wiki? There's 400+ seasons of fake episodes starring crackhead gamers, DDLC, Ohio, the backrooms, and other werid or interesting ideas. They even came up with the Patrick Star show before Nickelodeon did and wrote prompts for AI Sponge. Christian Weston Chandler is a recurring character.

[@jayharv285]

​@@TyshawnRobinson-z7cidk about Krabs. He's a bit too unlikeable

[@mechajay3358]

SpongeBob was specifically not created for a "spin-offverse." It just leads to so much confusion and complications for a simpler show about the adventures of a seas sponge. This is why Hillenburg was not on board with the idea.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Nice Daft Punk icon, glad to see a fellow fan

[@ethantasti2521]

@@TheAlphaJayShow that's what you reply to

[@mechajay3358]

@@TheAlphaJayShow Thanks. Their music is just incredible.

[@Godzillahistoryfan34]

Pretty sure he was fine with any sequels but considering he died before there was the main verses stuff we call we don’t have any actual proof of how he would feel about any of this

[@michaelstrong5383]

Remember that one episode where Mr. Krabs decided to turn the entire restaurant into one big Spongebob theme, including the Krabby Patties? Years have passed since that episode first aired, and Nickelodeon still didn't get the satire.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

That episode still speaks volumes today

[@AndrewsMagicandMore]

You're thinking of "The Krusty Sponge". Interesting satire, however the ending IMHO is downright infuriating.

[@seanemery1917]

Because Nickelodeon worships Mammon and focuses more on quantity over quality

[@amesstarline5482]

​@@AndrewsMagicandMoreKrusty Sponge- Plate was the hard-to-scrub spot. Both were Season 5. (It does seem like their title card themes were flipped)

[@tiffany2527]

​@AndrewsMagicandMore it's actually called "The Krusty Sponge".

[@EV1LM4GE]

Rule #17 of cartoons: If a family-family cartoon gets really really popular, there’s gonna be another show but with babies.

[@miniredin527]

I learnt this after seeing Scooby-Doo babies and recently Looney Tunes babies

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@miniredin527a pup named scooby doo was actually pretty good

[@lassenker07]

@@miniredin527 Total Drama also fell prey to this

[@HimeNoKuri]

And the classic Muppet Babies! That was a great show having a zeitgeist

[@BadaBing511]

It's funny how Rugrats pulled the reverse.

[@thebrightdiamondtp7871]

“When you run out of ideas, you just do Muppet Babies.” “You know, one of these days, they’re going to want to make _Spongebob Babies_ That’s when I’m out of here.” Holy shit I never realized this aged really really well

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Unfortunately

[@DukeOfTrains]

They sure did try it

[@Planag7]

I like the Muppet babies. Though honestly the old one is copyright hell

[@JamStan1978]

steve worked on kamp koral but nice try

[@thebrightdiamondtp7871]

@@JamStan1978 That’s irrelevant, Steve knew it was gonna happen and “change” is vague.

[@lennypayne4241]

I have a funny theory about the broken canon with Patrick’s parents. His _real_ parents are the ones that have been around since the beginning of the main show. However, because Patrick is such an idiot, he constantly mistakes Cecil and Bunny from The Patrick Star Show as his parents and spends long periods of time with them and in turn, they also mistake him for their son. This is easy to believe considering how in the original episode where Patrick’s real parents debuted, he spent the whole episode with a completely different set of starfish and didn’t realize they weren’t his parents until they said their names. Those starfish also didn’t remember they didn’t have a son until then, so this kind of thing is pretty common in the starfish community. It would be funny if they did an episode about this in The Patrick Star Show, where Patrick and his fake family realize this mistake and Patrick goes back to live with his real parents again, only for them to forget again at the end of the episode or something.

[@VeryRGOTI]

Atleast that's a more interesting kind of stupid for Patrick

[@Waff-le]

The Patrick Star show is supposed to be before the original show. That’s why SpongeBob looks so different.

[@splatjam64]

I seriously don't understand why they keep making new SpongeBob episodes and why they're so stubborn on continuing the spin-offs, It seems like such a waste of money. Sure they may be getting a little bit of extra money from the revenue, but as you stated before anytime anyone thinks of SpongeBob they always think of the first 3 or 6 seasons. On most of the SpongeBob official social media accounts you'll see pages and pages of people complaining every single time they post anything from a more recent season. It's not even just the die-hard fans, not a single casual fans I know irl has either enjoyed anything recent or simply doesn't watch it. The most common thing you'd ever hear people say is that they miss old SpongeBob, so why not bring it back? Hear me out, what if they cancel the two spin-offs, give the show a series finale (I'd recommend something that takes place after the 1st SpongeBob Movie) and just air reruns indefinitely? I'm pretty sure at LEAST 80% of people who want to watch SpongeBob will throw on an older episode on Paramount+ or watch old DVDs, so if anything reairing older episodes instead of super recent stuff would probably bring in more viewers anyways. It's not like they don't have enough episodes, they have two entire decades worth of content. Not only that, but it would be way more cost effective to just reair everything they already made instead of making anything new, and they could use the money that would normally be spent on SpongeBob on new projects or revivals of other shows. I guarantee merchandise is where most of SpongeBob's profits come from anyways. The Peanuts series for the longest time didn't make anything new simply because they didnt need to, they survived solely on conmercials, merchandise, reairings of their older specials, and reruns of their comics. I really feel like SpongeBob could very easily last indefinitely this way. They. could keep making video games, toys, box sets, try to get a more prominent presence theme parks like Universal, and occasionally make stand alone animated shorts. Im not a business man, but I really feel like Brian Robbins is going about this all wrong. Cable is slowly dying, most people use streaming apps, and most people stream older episodes anyways. It almost feels like he's intentionally trying to sabotage the series with how much his "vision" has messed with the show's legacy. I feel like the current state SpongeBob is the worst its ever been, even worse than it was during Seasons 7 and 8. Good video as always man.

[@isomericgamer6644]

I hate to see it going the way it's going. I loved the Modern Hillenburg Era. Seasons 9-12 were the last good modern SpongeBob seasons. Now it's just absolute garbage and promotion for the spin off shows that aren't even good and aren't needed in any capacity. I hate this so much.

[@splatjam64]

@@isomericgamer6644 Hillenburg didnt have as much involvement in 12 as they made it out to be, he was already too sick to even show up by that point. With that said I 100% agree that the series right now is in the worst place it's ever been.

[@isomericgamer6644]

@splatjam64 yeah he wasn't fully involved in season 12. The last episode he saw before his passing was pineapple rv and the rest of the season was after his passing. But the rest of the season wasn't bad. It's season 13 that was very weak.

[@Waffles_with_syrup-idk]

Bro made his 5000 word essay a comment 🗿

[@splatjam64]

@@Waffles_with_syrup-idk Yeah I definitely got a little carried away 💀 my point still stands tho.

[@ps4pro668]

Wow. So even the directors knew that Stephen wouldn’t want Kamp Koral to happen, yet they had to do it anyway. That’s just sad.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

He didn’t say he didn’t want it. He said he didn’t see it in the future. He didn’t REFUSE IT. HE NEVER DISAGREED WITH THE IDEA.

[@freddyfazbearfromfnaf3669]

@@jaxsterminator8634”and when that happens i’m out of here” pretty sure that means he doesn’t want it💀💀 also your commenting a lot like replying to everyone you gotta hit the showers lil bro it’s not that serious

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@freddyfazbearfromfnaf3669 I was talking about Stephen, not Paul.

[@freddyfazbearfromfnaf3669]

@@jaxsterminator8634 in the article was that not stephen saying “they’ll make spongebob babies and when that happens i’m out of here”

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

He had a close relationship with the new showrunners so its entirely possible that he could've liked the idea, but his unfortunate passing makes it inconclusive, which is why most people just assume that he COULDN'T have, when we don't know.

[@FirithPanda]

A reminder that the one continuty I will always point out is Spongebob being AFRAID OF ICECUBES and stepping around some in the new Salty Spitoon episode. Clearly there is a continuity if character growth HAPPENS. If a character can become afraid of something and REMEMBER it, there is a continuity.

[@eatatjoes6751]

The little bits of continuity actually makes the whole idea even worse, because, contrary to popular belief there is a way to make the Spongeverse work through little references *BUT NO…*

[@dylansharp8471]

@@eatatjoes6751 What?

[@box2365]

@@eatatjoes6751Proof that you can’t please everyone, no matter what you do. Nickelodeon can’t win.

[@noonecares7730]

@@box2365 they could win if they made original good TV shows again. They haven't done that since the early 2000s.

[@box2365]

@@noonecares7730 Uhh yes they have? They’ve released many shows over the last 20 years, ones I’m betting you’ve never even heard of. But considering SppngeBob is ‘Nickelodeon’s Mickey Mouse’ ain’t nothin’ gonna top it.

[@MonkeyMan-uz8zk]

This is one case where it would make sense if it was dream, because these new SpongeBob shows have been a nightmare

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Very much

[@kendrarasberry3078]

You mean any SpongeBob project after the first movie has been a nightmare.

[@PhilBo-fp9mz]

Spongebob Dream Theory

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They’re perfect shows.

[@MonkeyMan-uz8zk]

@@jaxsterminator8634 sure...

[@Yoshiandmarioadventures]

This is a cinematic masterpiece. My favorite part was when Alpha Jay Show said “It’s Spongversing time” and proceeded to Spongverse all over Nickelodeon.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

LMAO

[@thecour8379]

I'm 20 years and yeah, let the good times roll. It's was good while it lasted.....

[@alakazamgengar5434]

The fact that there are so many SpongeBob spin-offs, new episodes, and reruns on that channel… Nickelodeon used to literally have a roster of great and original animated projects. Many of which had their own unique flavors of style and themes. Now it’s pretty much just one hydra under the sea 🌊

[@JeffreyThrash]

Nickelodeon was at its best when we had tons of shows to look forward to, classic '90's cartoons to re-watch throughout Y2K, AND it had SpongeBob on top of all that. It's really an unfortunate trend I've noticed by all these big entertainment companies-they have all the money in the world to keep multiple successful shows all at once while continuing to greenlight original new shows, yet Nickelodeon is JUST SpongeBob now, Cartoon Network is just Gumball re-runs, Disney Plus is just Star Wars and MCU junk, etc etc. Is it any wonder why so many aspiring animators are going the indie route, now that companies like Paramount would rather die on the hill of SpongeBob instead of taking a chance on literally any show that could one day take SpongeBob's place?

[@alakazamgengar5434]

@@JeffreyThrash Agree. Just because something is on top doesn't mean nothing else can work or that properties should be bled out to annoyance.

[@The_Admiral_Angel]

​@@JeffreyThrash I thought Teen Titans Go was taking up the timeslots in CN.

[@ShreyanGodsay]

…The Spongeverse?

[@bdkq1902]

That sounds so fake but yet it’s real.

[@Justcatc]

😭I hate it its gross 😭but real…

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

It's the canon name surprisingly

[@ShreyanGodsay]

@@TheAlphaJayShow😭😭😭

[@gameyfirebro9645]

What would you go with?!?!?

[@raven3067]

Nickelodeon: “The children? I don't care about the children. I just care about their parents money.” 🤑

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They DO care. Otherwise they would have ended it.

[@PlahaKumar]

That line perfectly sums it up.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@PlahaKumar Not really.

[@dozeycody7531]

@@jaxsterminator8634 ah yes, caring about a precious show.. Until the creator died and they started milking the hell out of it, and making a 3rd movie for a stupid ass spinoff, as well as making minor characters and/or random jokes from earlier seasons relevant cause "nostalgia = good". They don't care for it, they just want to keep it alive so they can keep hogriding it until they give up. Why else has it gone for more than 13 seasons?

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@dozeycody7531 They didn’t milk it. The third movie was the best one and the jokes are better in some cases. They still care about it, otherwise it would have died a long time ago. If it’s still going, they care.

[@MrJomalley123]

Miguel O'Hara looking at this be like "This is not a canon event, this is just bullshit"

[@pixelcat29]

I approve this comment

[@quanashiab.9620]

That sequel to the 1st Spider-Verse made a hold in pop culture this year, and it deserves it 👏

[@pj1343]

miguel's definitely one to have a field day when bringing up the spongeverse to him lol.

[@Termina2018]

"You're a mistake!" *Choke-slams Nick Executives*

[@pogggaming4470]

@@Termina2018bonus points if he says “and your all racist!”

[@Doodle128]

The Sandy thing is called a bootstrap paradox, she does it because she already did in the past, at the moment of that loop being created there was no longer a point where she realised she needed to preserve it, only that she knew she had to (possibly because of the threat of not doing it and being literally erased from time itself).

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Paradoxes are really cool

[@neevko267]

Which when done well, bootstrap paradoxes can be really cool But the problem is they didn't even intend to make one, it just kinda happened with their half assed attempt of explaining why Sandy is there

[@nadroji6549]

@@LordXPurps yes

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Or there are just two lines.

[@neevko267]

@@sacrificiallamb4568 well you know what they say multiverse theory is a bitch

[@misterslick2693]

It's totally fine if the writers want to have loose continuity within the show and not have much cohesion between episodes. The problem is you can't make a good connected universe if you do that. People like connected universes because they can rely that everyone and everything in it will stay relatively consistent so it all makes sense that it exists in the same universe. I also feel like Nickelodeon is taking advantage of their young audience they are aiming at. Spongebob has been going on long enough that a lot of kids today probably don't know the original lore and Nick believes that this gives them the freedom to do whatever they want with the show and characters. It's like historical revisionism, except with a cartoon show.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Well said. If SpongeBob wanted to just be three separate worlds of completely episodic stuff with not much else, then that's fine. However, its the same show that wants brownie points for referencing old stuff, but at the same time, disregard that same era when it comes to continuing their stories.

[@FlaxGalax_FG]

They really ruined the Spongebob canon lore by making it more baby like and removing all of the worth of the older episodes, and made Sandy a time traveler and making Gary met Spongebob in camp coral rather than the pound? Wow their bad at story writing. They can't even keep themselves from changing Stephen's actual story and perfectly organized stories. The supposed parents for Patrick ruined the theorist community. It sucks. They ruined Squidward with cartoony expressions and making him grumpy but more on the child like side. And hoe did squidward turn into Handsomeward if it was because of Spongebob's passion and positive or somewhat like that...with a door slam?! Yeah no the community knows more about the Spongebob lore instead of the newest owners for Spongebob. I miss the more depressing yet funny episodes. I miss squidward being bad yet kind to Spongebob because of guilt. Man this sucks.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They made everything better.

[@FlaxGalax_FG]

@@jaxsterminator8634 and I'm guessing that you must be one of the toddlers watching the newest episodes of Spongebob Squarepants and loving every fart, but and poop jokes..? Right..?

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@FlaxGalax_FG I’m not a toddler, I’m 16. It’s not just fart and poop jokes, the jokes are ACTUALLY CLEVER.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@FlaxGalax_FG Besides, toilet humor doesn’t get me any more than it used to, it’s only if it’s structured like any other joke.

[@quanashiab.9620]

​​@@jaxsterminator8634No wonder you are acting like that, you are a late Gen Zer. Gen X should've raised you lunatics right 💀

[@samuelhofer7099]

I think the issue is as time has gone on we've started to get fans of the original series to physically work on the show, and they don't like the middle seasons, like many fans, so they use the excuse "well, we don't see canon as a thing we have to follow exactly" so they don't have to have the tone of the show fit with those middle seasons. This also explains why the last few seasons have just been reference, reference, reference, as again, these people grew up as fans. And as fans that saw this as a massive inspiration (clearly), they seemingly don't understand why the best episodes, scenes, and jokes are the best, just that people really like them. So you got this awkward situation where they don't want to emulate the middle seasons, and want to do callbacks to the older seasons, but have a vastly different way of approaching every aspect of making a cartoon, so the show feels disjointed as of late.

[@eatatjoes6751]

This, 100%.

[@michaelstrong5383]

That would explain why they brought back Bubble Bass from the first season and have him be a recurring character in the recent seasons.

[@icecreamhero2375]

I disagree we have gotten references to the middle seasons. Carl showed up in Drive Happy.

[@charlescaulkins8306]

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug...

[@samuelhofer7099]

@@icecreamhero2375 True, but i think we've just gotten more to older seasons

[@Wailerman]

as a FNaF fan, i assure you, the canon counting and not counting at the same time isnt new

[@dylansharp8471]

Huh?

[@Darwin-sama]

The fnaf lore ain’t that hard

[@PlushPilla]

Trust me. In FNaF, canon and continuity are two different things. The games, the books and the movie are ALL canon, but each one has a different continuity. So the matter is "If robot people are canon in the books, then who is probably the robot person in the games?"

[@Guest2501]

I feel like the fnaf lore is only harder due to more secrets and hidden things while SpongeBob is just contradicting its lore every single episode at this point

[@daL1lzter]

-Fun- fact: on the SpongeBob channel they posted family tree’s for each of the main characters that were made before the Patrick show. Showing that they don’t only go against cannon, but also their own Advertising

[@trevorpacelli8056]

7:00 also another note, there's a brief line in Something Smells when Patrick says, "Oh, my gosh, if my sister finds out... wait, I don't have a sister." which directly contradicts this episode with Patrick's sister.

[@SpacklerStudios]

It wouldn't be the first time we got a contradiction to that statement. The episode "Big Sister Sam" has already done that

[@ReddyToAnimate]

@@SpacklerStudios I think Patrick seems to have forgotten that he DID have a sister in Something Smells.

[@ericchung3177]

This is what happens when you puppet the corpse of a show that should have ended years ago. It's OKAY for things to end, people.

[@eatatjoes6751]

In my POV there’s the musical and the movie. The Spongebob franchise stopped there.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

IT SHOULD NEVER END

[@thepigintheroom973]

@@jaxsterminator8634 You should really end your commenting on this video, it's a giant pile of TRAASSSSSHHHH. You're clearly just tryna disagree to... well, disagree.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@thepigintheroom973 No, I’m not disagreeing to disagree, the shows ARE ACTUALLY PERFECT.

[@CEPHALOPESSIMISM]

@@thepigintheroom973 As if differing opinions don't exist for any reason whatsoever, right? Not everyone is apart of the sheeple group and I for one really like that Spongebob is continuing because it's been a big contributor in my life and I am deeply attached to it. Now, am I saying it should go on forever? No! I'm just saying I'm glad it didn't just die off early because if it did, I personally probably would've forgotten about it!

[@Rinari034]

You know the thing that confuses me? On the new episodes they always put Stephen Hillenburg as the executive producer but the guy’s been dead since 2018 like how is he the producer for these episodes if he’s gone? It just feels gross to me

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

Maybe it’s his family? I don’t know

[@vanderquakSP]

I think it’s because the episodes were probably still in production while he was still alive.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

Because he’s the creator of the show??? He needs some credit.

[@nickgadson266]

Vincent Waller stated that Hillenburg will always be credited as an executive producer because he created the show.

[@vjthehandsome5659]

I find this whole situation really ironic considering that episode where Patrick made a game and the whole comedy revolved around Squidward getting frustrated that Patrick's rules were clearly contradictory and made up or rectified as the game went along.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

Wasn't that "Patrick The Game"? I vaguely remember that

[@vjthehandsome5659]

@@TheAlphaJayShow yeah I think so.

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

Wow. That's such a great way of putting it.

[@vjthehandsome5659]

@@disneyvillainsfan1666 the joke litterally writes itself

[@autisticunicorn4818]

Me in 2004: Please don’t end this show after the movie, I wanna see more seasons of the series, Nick. 20 years later: Okay, this series has been gone too far, none of these new episodes aren’t so great especially the spin offs and when will this show ever going end, it’s been 25 years now, Nick.

[@pogggaming4470]

Don’t wish for things that you can’t foresee

[@MeJustMe101]

It'll probably end when they go on the verge of bankruptcy

[@jblask2]

I miss the 2004

[@misterzygarde6431]

I've brought up the idea before but Nick should do a mini-series adapting Battle for Bikini Bottom, heck any of the SpongeBob games with original plots would do as well.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

I would be nice to get more substantial bits of SpongeBob

[@Bahr-im7pn]

@@TheAlphaJayShow Personally, I think if Nickelodeon were willing to subvert their formula of episodic comedy(which clearly isn't working very well anymore) and get some creative writers on board who understand the charm of the first three seasons, I think SpongeBob could tell a really good serialized story with stakes, continuity, and character growth, like in Amphibia or The Owl House. But they'd never go for it. The SpongeBob SquarePants franchise is one of Paramount Global's primary cash cows. The executives would never take a risk and shake things up with their most popular franchise in a way that would aim at an audience of all ages rather than their target demographic that mostly includes children, even if it's the merch making them all that cash as opposed to the TV show, which has plummeted in popularity over the years.

[@phineasflynn8990]

Cosmic Shake as a mini-movie or special would be really cool!

[@Bahr-im7pn]

You know what would be cool? A modern remake of the first movie's video game. They did it with Battle for Bikini Bottom, why can't they do it for the movie game?

[@ntfoperative9432]

Canon bikini bottom around the clock when?

[@PK-Radio]

SpongeBob: into the spongeverse

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

I can imagine if that can be an actual Movie, Video Game, Comic Book Series or a TV Special

[@-JaydenAnimates-]

SpongeBob: far from decency

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

@@-JaydenAnimates- Ha

[@baybvgo2.058]

“Take me to the 4th dimension.” What about the SpongeBob 4D movie theme park ride? Debunked your debunk.

[@redmustachealien]

The multiverse trend has become a fatigued and overrated means of telling a story, particularly the multiverse stories that exist as a means of milking a franchise/existing just for fanservice compared to shows like, say, Fionna and Cake from Adventure Time (oh, include Adventure Time as well since the multiverse concept was introduced during the series) or the Spiderverse movies. What these executives don't realize is that the multiverse concept exists to build up the characters from a main universe/to give characters development, but most of the time, executives have led the multiverse to becoming, "Wow, look at that lore and thag different version of a character! So cool!", instead of existing to build up characters. The most that's changed in terms of SpongeBob are newly established dynamics and the animation style, the rest of it is pure annoyance, fanservice, and the such. This is coming from a huge SpongeBob fan that broke VCRs due to my love for Spongebob (rewinding to watch moments I enjoyed repeatedly), by the way. I enjoy what some of super-modern Spongebob does, but I still see it as a missed opportunity to just keep it as a show that ended after its first theatrical release, because at least like Gravity Falls, Stephen saw it as a means of ending the show on his terms, but as long as corporate Nick does what it does, it's gonna milk Spongebob until its last day on the air in, say, 4023, whatever. As long as Spongebob continues to take no risk and ride off of references without understanding why such a reference would be impactful for the viewer (like if there was a reference to "Hooks" and Spongebob makes a comment about never going on one again [which would show character development] vs. plopping the King Neptune crown in a pile of assorted crap on a shelf), Spongebob will just, well, be itself: a show continously draining by the day as it loses its milk. Spongebob could've gone the Gumball route, or hell, at least found a way to make characters change to where they would be compelling for viewers, but nope, Nick would rather the creatives play it safe and keep the characters static for the sake of brand-recognition and merchandise sales. If Nick really wants a universe of their own, they should've aimed to finding an original show that could fit that role, and yes, I can at least understand *WHY* they want SpongeBob to take that role, but Spongebob just is not the show to do it. SpongeBob is like the Simpsons and Family Guy, there is no such thing as continuity and status quo is God, so trying to interject any form of continuity by diving in head-first is by no means a healthy venture. If anything, say, shoving the two redneck characters from 'Kamp Koral' into Spongebob is just forcing us to be reminded that SpongeBob has spinoffs rather than it being something to be enjoyed. I doubt with Spongebob for so long being seen as a static show with the lightest continuity imaginable would suddenly change in popularity if they interject continuity by shoving their spinoffs and main show together. The damage has already been done, they went into this multiverse venture very poorly. Nickelodeon has been afraid to do *anything* creative since Spongebob became their corporate cow, and the only times they have done so is if they manage to get the same ratings as Spongebob (or even higher), and they too suffer the same fate. Overall, corporatism has been tainting art for years, and it isn't going to stop, either as long as they continue to have their properties receive attention and profit. Some things are better ended on their own terms, regardless what a corporate company says. Taking risk is not always a bad thing, because after a while, people will want something new, that's just the human condition, but alas, when children are so easy to make cash off of, it's no wonder that companies like to take advantage of them and see them as things to shove garbage in front of and expect them to consume it without problem, regardless whether it tastes like candy or vomit. *Spongebob should have died after the first movie. Period.*

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Si gravity falls fue tan exitoso que todos los programas quisieran copiar la fórmula y en vez de hacer programas episodicos decidieron hacer programas que siguen una historia hasta un show más y gumball que eran programas que no seguían una historia ahora tenían una pero bob esponja fue el único que dijo el status quo es dios y así se mantendrá

[@letmethinkaboutit2460]

Nickelodeon: *looks at Steven Hillenburgs grave* Also Nickelodeon: “am I really going to dig up his grave for money? OF COURSE I AM!”

[@jaxsterminator8634]

And whaddaya know? THE SHOW’S STILL AS GOOD AS IT WAS BEFORE!

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

@@jaxsterminator8634 eh debatable

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 Eh, not really.

[@sherrymiller4069]

The new shows suck spongebob should have ended a long time ago

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@sherrymiller4069 NO THEY SHOULDN’T. SPONGEBOB WILL NEVER DIE. THE NEW SHOWS ARE PERFECT.

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

Don’t forget that about Avatar and tmnt were also beating SpongeBobs ratings ever since they first premiered in 2005 and 2012. However due to the massive popularity of avatar Nick decided to do a spin off named legend of Korra before the sponge had its own sequels. For the turtles, they had no sequel but rather a new show called Rise of the tmnt in 2019 which most people say didn’t really care for but sum casuals still enjoy the art style, action and comedy. Fairly odd parents would never have sequels since it’s just a one show that rival SpongeBob during their early glory years until they eventually had a live action reboot on paramount + that we know should have NEVER happened but despite it I still enjoy watching what made the first seasons of both shows so memorable.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

dont forget about rugrats, the og show got milked, then they made two spinoffs and now theres a reboot

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

@@lemon5000-tj6nv soo true they were the biggest show on Nick for a while at one point before the sponge came along

[@StickySauce101]

Spongebob has become like Simpsons, doomed to exist forever due to past glory yet never actually being watched by most.

[@Trex10100]

A Sheen series could've work if it was about that boy he beat in that episode "crouching jimmy, hidden sheen" wanting revenge. He kidnaps libby, and the monks. He tells Sheen if he wants to save them he'll have to fight his was through his goons without Jimmy's help.

[@SpeedyBlur2000]

Why did you remind me that Planet Sheen exists?

[@lasercraft32]

Treating the canon as a mere "suggestion" is just a clear sign of bad writing.

[@Ricks176]

We all just need to accept that spongebob has fallen off just like the Simpsons and dragging it on further kills the childhood feeling we once had

[@jaxsterminator8634]

SpongeBob never fell off.

[@MusSupremeJAR03]

@@jaxsterminator8634 It has already fallen, long ago

[@ILOVEBUGSNAXS]

@@jaxsterminator8634 it fell at season 6

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@ILOVEBUGSNAXS It didn’t.

[@ILOVEBUGSNAXS]

@@jaxsterminator8634 it got worse in season 6

[@garvinetienne8704]

About the formula, in Friend or Foe, it was shown that the formula was accidentally created by young Mr. Krabs, and he started selling it. In the episode where Plankton falls in love with Mr. Krabs’ grandma, Mr. Krabs says it’s a family recipe. So now, it was made by Mr. Krabs as an accident, as a family recipe, and by SpongeBob at Kamp Koral.

[@MusSupremeJAR03]

The SpongeBob canon really is a poorly made shake, and even more so for today, or rather, what has NOT been modified already?

[@MusSupremeJAR03]

IH8Cats Excuse me, did I say something wrong?

[@NerdyTransformed]

The formula stuff makes even less sense as I'm pretty sure Krabs and Plankton accidentally create the formula during "Friend or Foe" in a flashback

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Though didn't Krabs find out the formula in the special where they went back to medieval times

[@memememe609]

And since Krabs and Plankton are presumably younger in "Friend or Foe" than they are in Kamp Koral, this directly contradicts Sandy wanting someone else to rediscover it.

[@SuperBatSpider]

Bro. They literally aired Tea In The Treedome just before a Kamp Koral episode

[@ChurroDoughnut]

The biggest issue for me with a lot of the newer episodes of SpongeBob episodes is that they're clearly written by fans of the classic show. So you'll get callbacks to characters or moments that appeared in like one or two episodes, and that stuff will get elevated to get their own episode. Stuff like Bubble Buddy, DoodleBob, Bubble Bass, Sea Bears, My Leg Guy, Ms. Puff and Mr. Krabs dating, Handsome Squidward, etc... and all of this just feels like fanfic. Like, it doesn't feel like a natural episode of the show that the original writing team would've written. The original couple seasons, and even quite a few seasons into the post-movie era, NEVER did callbacks like this. The closest I can think is having a season 1 episode introduce a new character like Sandy, the Flying Dutchman, or Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy, who would go on to be reoccurring characters later, but they stopped that after, again, like season 1 once the cast was pretty filled up. But now they'll reference fan-favorite classic episodes, or memes and it just feels like I'm watching some guy's SpongeBob fan fiction.

[@theengineerfiles5885]

“Okay, I already had enough of these things. Both the spongy and multiverse junkyards are dumb and weird.” - Jax, The Amazing Digital Circus, October 2023 (maybe)

[@TheLastArbiter]

In my mind, real SpongeBob ended with the first movie and a handful of acceptable episodes from the next few seasons. What is made today is an insult to the show’s legacy and its original fans. Character assassination, baby-fication, worse art direction, bad comedy and misunderstanding of the show’s established history led to the dismal condition it is in today. This show has been on life support for like a decade and a half and needs to be taken out back.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

SPONGEBOB WILL NEVER DIE. Modern SpongeBob is just as good as Classic SpongeBob. The art is better, they didn’t ruin anything.

[@TheLastArbiter]

@@jaxsterminator8634 you can enjoy it, good on you, I simply disagree

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@TheLastArbiter You’re just wrong, then.

[@TheLastArbiter]

@@jaxsterminator8634 okie dokie then

[@owlshadow2005]

mad over an opinion? @@jaxsterminator8634

[@KodyCrimson]

You know what fits this really well? "Why did you build a second Krusty Krab right next to the first?" "M O N E Y !"

[@TMDTheMaskDirector-ye5oe]

Jay: (states that SpongeBob couldn’t have been the creator of the Krabby patty secret formula) Me: And there’s no way SpongeBob could have memorised the formula either, in the movie Sponge Out Of Water after SpongeBob and Mr Krabs find that the patty freezer is completely empty Mr Krabs chose to rely on SpongeBob’s memory so he could make more Krabby patties but then SpongeBob states that it would’ve violated his employment contract if he remembered even the slightest thing about what goes into a Krabby patty.

[@magicdogstudios6624]

This is why they went after AI sponge, because they knew it was better than this

[@jaxsterminator8634]

It wasn’t.

[@pichugirl6]

I feel like I'm being reminded of PPG 2016. Both of which cant make up on what level on consistency should the story/plot take fold. From one episode saying the girls are going back to PokeOaks Kindergarten again to now making them go to an Elementary school where education is all over the place on who is learning what. We had an episode of where Buttercup for some knows advanced math. In another episode Bubbles gets a broken arm, not from fighting their villain but how she gets injured makes no sense given how shes a power puff girl. And lastly the origin of the professor making the girls hurts my very soul. Point is, Nick much like CN, are terrible when it comes to not letting a show die, not do spin offs or crossovers without the proper respect towards the original creator.

[@rmsdimples8533]

At this point nickelodeon should hire a team of writers to study the humor of season 1-5, go back to season 5 artstyle (personally season 5 has the perfect balance of old and modern spongebob).

[@eatatjoes6751]

Shows like this are not meant for a massive MCUniverse thing, and yet here Nickelodeon is, pretending like the Spongeverse should exist - because Brian and Kevin Feige said so. And so now you have - fans of the original show shoehorning references and continuity in, while the other half is like, Spongebob is a loose cannon cop on the edge who doesn’t play by the rules, so the result is a Frankensponge of a canon because a story bible doesn’t exist. Hell, even The Marvel Universe was a fluke at first before they started realizing, “Hey, this universe thing works.”

[@dylansharp8471]

Brian?

[@TheFunnyGuy9000]

Brian? You mean DC?

[@mushroomdude123]

It annoys me deeply that there are so many better shows that get cancelled after 1 season, but Spongebob is basically immortal since it was really successful back in the day. Hell, it was even the main reason so many shows from the 2000s/2010s got cancelled early.

[@eatatjoes6751]

I always remember the irony that Nickelodeon thought Spongebob wouldn’t last a season compared to Catdog and despite everyone on staff wanting to work on Spongebob more and viewers watching Catdog solely out of curiosity they had ordered a buttload of episodes anyway that never aired. I wonder now that Spongebob’s entrenched itself into immortality people are eventually going to start to look at it like they used to do Catdog: no one wants to work on it, yet Nickelodeon’s so plugged in to how legendary Spongebob is and how much money it made that everybody sees it as a punishment to be asked to work on it. *"Nah. Nick tried to ram it down everybody’s throat, but nobody liked that show, including the people who made it. At the studio we considered it all but a punishment to be asked to work on it. But it was the new nicktoon for that year so people watched it… a bit… for a while.”* - Jay Lender, on Catdog

[@jaxsterminator8634]

SpongeBob will never die. It SHOULD never die.

[@MeJustMe101]

As a 15 year old, things will go to an end

[@DeadEye42069]

The best analogy I have for the spongebob franchise universe (old episodes, new episodes, movies, spinoffs, games) is that it's a series pf bubbles. These bubbles are their own "universe", and sometimes bubbles are contained within bubbles. The bubble and people living inside the bubble won't know they're inside one. But those with a bubble inside of their bubble know of and can even interact with said bubble. Idk, I can see it but it's kind of hard to explain. There might even be additional factors, like surfaces where two bubbles touch - the random, non-canonical references perhaps

[@nicholassims9837]

At least Scooby Doo manage to be different in a few cartoons like 13 ghosts and Mystery Inc

[@firetypespecialist1452]

Nickelodeon's downfall needs to be studied

[@lassenker07]

Then Disney's needs to have lengthy books written about it and documentaries made to explain it in full detail

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

simple, they want profit so they milk ip that have proven to be successful (spongebob, rugrats, odd parents and now avatar and loud house) until it gets to the point where its completely dead and dry as its much easier to do that instead of taking risks and trying something new

[@jaxsterminator8634]

What downfall?

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@lemon5000-tj6nvThey’re not milking SpongeBob, but I agree with the other shows, they are milking those.

[@cjwms7279]

Didn't the official SpongeBob channel say that this was caused by The Timeline being split into alternate universes?

[@bella_ciao4608]

So damn stupid. I always dislike when modern episodes make really forced callbacks to classic episodes. It’s so creatively bankrupt. Some real Krabby Land shit

[@dylansharp8471]

@@bella_ciao4608 Say what?

[@SpacklerStudios]

@@dylansharp8471I think bella_ciao is referring to how Mr. Krabs tried making easy money off kids with a cheap amusement park that had no real care put into it. "Cheapy McCheapskate" kind of stuff

[@Hugelag]

"Bubble Bass Reviews" being a Nostalgia Critic reference and talking about Internet reviewers has justified the existence of The Patrick Star Show in my eyes.

[@Jhereckk]

The biggest inconsistency is that Spongebob apparently made the formula, but Krabs made it as a kid according to Friend vs. Foe. Therefore, it must have already been made before Spongebob did. Plus, during the time sponegbob was a baby, shown by Truth or Square, Krabs was working the Krusty Krab.

[@paulnash6944]

Kamp Koral and the Patrick Star Show should just be declared non canon.

[@Semibucket]

I just came up with a theory on why the lore is just not so consistent and stuff, and yes I know the actual reason is just because the show writers are lazy probably, but I mean like a probable canonical reason, anyways my theory is that season 1 where sandy and spongebob first meet takes place before sandy sends a past version of herself in the past, which I thought could be a clone version of Sandy herself that sandy aged backwards to a certain age until she got ready to send the clone into the past, after sending the kid clone sandy into the past, somehow original sandy screwed up the future and accidentally made a parallel timeline that is different than her own timeline which could start in the future seasons past season 4,5, or 6, maybe 7, thats why adult sandy in the patrick star show has glasses despite sandy not having glasses in the main show and could be a reason why big sister sam was replaced by Squidina and why Patrick's parents look different or the fact time travel happens constantly in the patrick star show because there was technically time travel in the past from kid clone sandy which is an adult in the patrick star show. And I'm quite still upset nickelodeon did Stephen Hillenburg so dirty by going against his dying wishes of even making spinoffs or prequels or sequels to the origina spongebob, but as soon as he died they did anyways.

[@nikoneo1174]

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if they'd reveal that Kassandra from Spongebob game was trying to mess up dimensions ir whatever you'd call that to make a gateway to return. being honest even if far stretched it'd would be kinda cool final battle

[@aaronhamsworth]

This is why I only consider the first 3 seasons cannon.

[@alpatraxel]

At that point it’s better off making Camp Coral and the Patrick Star show non-canon. This is why a lot of people only see seasons 1-9 as canon as those were the seasons Stephen Hillenburg worked on before passing away.

[@jackatk]

Anybody claiming that there are “different dimensions” or there is a “SpongeVerse” is just desperately trying to cover up lazy and thoughtless writing demanded by greedy and soulless executives lmao

[@puglife658]

Technically the “they exist in seperate dimensions” argument isn’t debunked by that. Each episode supposedly takes place in a seperate parallel universe, so while some things might be canon in one episode, they aren’t in others. It’s a stupid way of doing things and I think they should have just stopped at like season six of SpongeBob and started on something completely new.

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

> Each episode supposedly takes place in a separate parallel universe For this to be true to the point I'm making in the video, either A.) The example I gave "Something Narwhal This Way Comes" from SpongeBob exists in the same universe as Kamp Koral, which makes logical sense, making both universes concurrent, which makes the SpongeVerse they wish to advertise also make logical sense or B.) The show made for kids, has episodes that people have to individually discern are in one dimension (of which there is no name/acknowledgement of) and episodes that exists primarily solo, and anyone can make dimensions as they go. Ockham's Razor suggests that they want each of the three shows to exist with each other.

[@GamingGardevoir]

@@TheAlphaJayShow or “Kamp Koral” and “SpongeBob SquarePants” DO take place in different parallel dimensions, of which a Narleen exists in both dimensions. Perhaps in “SpongeBob”, the little square dude did go to camp too, but didn’t have the same adventures as “Kamp”. I think if they REALLY wanted to push them being a singular timeline, the flashback sequence would’ve been 3D

[@Wattson-ston]

You know? With the show possibly reaching the 20th season and even higher it is gonna be much harder to refrence or callback to older episodes just because of the sheer ammount of episodes

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

That's why I quit the show after the second movie. Seasons 1-4 and the movie do it for me. Maybe even some later seasons for the mediocre nostalgia.

[@paulgilbert5278]

The show would’ve been more valuable (less rehashed ideas) if it ended early. Sponge bob deteriorated big time.

[@rangopistacho6928]

steven should of had written in his will: you are legally not allowed to continue my show, it ends with my death

[@tad7441]

Gonna add that if I ever have a successful show.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

Wrong. SpongeBob will never die.

[@georgeslawter4355]

Seasons 1-12 are canon and the only spongebob i will watch. tbh the later seasons aren’t great but 12 was the last one to actually have hillenburg working on some episodes. Season 13 makes the camp coral stuff canon with episodes like upturn girls.

[@georgeslawter4355]

also yes i am aware that i care too much but i really love this show and hate to see it squeezed dry like this.

[@Corndogッ]

I know. This show had a big downfall since its creator died

[@lovelydolltime8006]

For me, it's only seasons 1 - 8 that are canon (with the complete first 6 seasons being ones I own on DVD).

[@ReddyToAnimate]

@@lovelydolltime8006what about season 9? Goodbye Krabby Patty feels like the true series finale for the show.

[@Voxelgd]

honestly i think we should just collectively decide that only the main show is cannon, even if the executives say the spinoffs are as well . i mean, if we all agree they're not cannon, even if the executives say they are, are they really?

[@raynmarve]

LETS be honest. They dont care,Dont care about canon,dont care about enjoyability,dont care about being GOOD,They was just throwing shit in so the canon would make sense,Just shooting a gun with their eyes closed hoping to hit the bulls-eye They really became mr krabs money money money. Nick died in the same coffin Steve died😢

[@bringbackpbskidsgo4562]

Nah, Viacom died.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They do care. If they didn’t, they would have cancelled the show.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

​​@@jaxsterminator8634they only care about the money thats why the show is still ongoing they did this odd parents, they did to rugrats and now theyre doing it to loud house and avatar (granted avatar studios seems to have actual effort put into it)

[@jaxsterminator8634]

@@lemon5000-tj6nv They did it to every other show, but they ACTUALLY CARE for SpongeBob. Why do you think it hasn’t ended yet? It will NEVER DIE.

[@raynmarve]

@jaxsterminator8634 do you know how popular and successful SpongeBob is? I've met people who don't know who the hell regular show is but I haven't met not ONE person who dosent know who the sponge is so damn popular on the globe I looked up most popular cartoons around the world spnge was in 2nd or 3rd place WHY do you think they haven't gave Harvey beaks or ADVENTURE TIME a chance? Why do you think they spam SpongeBob on nicktoons? Nick knows it hit a gold mine with SpongeBob its they're most successful creations,Who would cancel one of their most POPULAR creations known by damn near aliens from other planets?

[@slipspacesurvivalist9416]

I know Hilenberg's SpongeBob story world was pretty good. In its early days, it actually did tell a story, and it was as wholesome as it was goofy, while at the same time referencing real life hopelessness for us adult folks. It was *good.* Now...? Now it's just... Televised ADHD. Newspaper comic strips animated. Background noise for kids so they leave mommy and daddy alone. Never once have I seen recent "comedy" cartoons have any kind of respect for lore, storylines, and alliteration unless it's for an immediate punchline. It's... Honestly disappointing, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm also a writer who never invested in hyperbole and short-term entertainment. I prefer the more traditional storytelling of long arcs, linear progression, and lasting character development. Old SpongeBob *kind of* did that? At least, everything made sense and had references and relationships brought up as jokes and plot twists in later episodes... Now it's just episodes of distraction. "Here, have this funny episode that has nothing to do with everything else around it so you forget about it a couple days later if it isn't memed!" It ends up getting recycled later, since it's *so* random that there's really nothing new to be presented. It's very... Samey. ...I'm probably harsh, but I watched something I watched come into the world as something new and fresh and funny get turned into something honestly just noise as soon as the original creator passed away and the suits decided to squeeze money out of it. Makes me sad.

[@bacchiguu86]

I find it interesting as an older cartoon fan how everyone expects "lore" in their cartoons now. Even cartoons like 'Loud House' gets grief from their fans about it. Is it because of anime? Or that cartoons are being watched more and more by teens/adults? People just expecting "more" from cartoons because Disney was so good? (Emphasis on "was") I'm really curious. When I was growing up, cartoons didn't care and expected no one else to care. There were shows like 'Gargoyles' that had extensive lore and careful story planning, but then most of the other cartoons were like, for example, 'Josie and the Pussycats' that had twin siblings but every other episode they seemed to forget they were twins and would be like "I'm the older sister here!" "I'm the older brother!" Like they didn't even have the 'Scooby-Doo' multi-universes/shows excuse, it was the same cartoon, same season lol

[@Trist233]

Probably people expected more after Gravity Falls or Adventure Time. Even Regular Show and Milo Murphy's Law had to made a story-driven arc because of how lore driven shows are much popular. Also in modern era, Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia or Jojo is more known than modern cartoons because of today's cartoons can be said as "too safe".

[@unseenphantomamvsytp2186]

This is my headcanon. SANDY TIME TRAVEL: Having her younger self go to camp with Spongbob creates a split timeline. Future Sandy from the main timeline can still interact with her but the future of kid sandy's timeline is now going to be very different since she's now friends with kid Spongbob. PATRICK'S PARENTS: "Wow son you recognized us this time!" Remember that? I think their was a big portion of Patrick's childhood and early adulthood where he just wondered off and ended up with another family he thought was his own and didn't rediscover his birth Parents until later which they just shrugged off as "That's just Patrick being Patrick! 😂"

[@pastelxpeaches4747]

I love when he posts it just gives me therapy everything he says is so relatable that even if I had gotten frustrated with a show earlier on in the day, knowing someone feels and sees it the exact same way and put it into better words and more background is astonishing, calming and relatable

[@jaxsterminator8634]

It’s not relatable at all, it’s completely wrong.

[@pastelxpeaches4747]

@@jaxsterminator8634 ur opinion I’ve enjoyed this channel since the 3hr gumball analysis I subscribed and have been keeping an eye outfit new vids keep in mind it takes hours of research maybe even days and a lot of editing so not only do I agree with the videos I also appreciate anytime he posts m

[@JessePinkman27892]

Warner Brothers and Paramount executives might merge, I’m scared.

[@luma4902]

Same and is not like warner bros is doing well

[@Planag7]

I'm more fearful of the legacy things at Paramount has they're going to do that idea... I seriously will never get over the whole Infinity train erasure

[@hewkiithetiscytofficialcha8903]

Hopefully not

[@jaxsterminator8634]

That’s a good thing! Two of the best shows ever, SpongeBob and Teen Titans Go, will be on the same channel!

[@bella_ciao4608]

Maybe that will finally kill SpongeBob. I HATE to see SpongeBob die like seeing a beloved pet die, but holy shit they gotta put the show out of its misery. Fuck dude even the voice actors aren’t able to keep up. Even Tom fucking Kenny is getting a bit too old to keep doing the SpongeBob voice. Let the poor man go do Fionna and Cake season 2 or something.

[@kennydarmawan13]

I think my main issue isn't that the spin-offs are made. It's that the ones making the spin-offs aren't trying more than they actually could and should.

[@diogocaetano1REAL]

same

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

The patrick star show writers have been making really good episodes recently

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Si en vez de explicar cosas de mundo de bob esponja lo que hacen es crear su propio canon

[@jaxsterminator8634]

They WERE trying, and they DID succeed.

[@MrEggz16]

I think i agree with the people who said the show “ends” in the second or third season at this point

[@jaxsterminator8634]

THEY’RE WRONG. SpongeBob should NEVER end.

[@Edalgm]

@@jaxsterminator8634 I am guessing that you are a kid under 13 or you are ragebating

[@briccanimations]

@@Edalgmit’s definitely ragebait just ignore him he’s looking for attention.

[@arandompasserby7940]

Nickelodeon then: "We want to help make creator-driven shows that are all unique" Nickelodeon now: "DO YOU ALL LIKE SPONGEBOB?? GOOD, CUZ YOU'RE GETTING MORE OF IT!" EDIT: Also, you're overthinking the canon about the "secret formuler", Jay. The mindset behind it is "Shhh, make more Spongebob shows" LOL

[@jalendb0292]

They did spongebob dirty.

[@renamon5658]

Sad to see what spongebob has become

[@UltraRetroGamerXD]

It's possible that Sandy's time travel/manipulation created an entirely new timeline. This means that from the moment Sandy sends her younger self to Camp Coral, the timeline splits into two timelines. A timeline in which the events from the original series take place and a timeline in which the events from Camp Coral take place.

[@GamingGardevoir]

That’s what I was thinking!

[@jasonallen6918]

That's the same logic that some Sonic fans use to explain the fucky story structure of Sonic '06.

[@therandomshow_]

"take me to the 4th dimension then." that made me laugh so hard. Also as an OG sponge fan, it's sad seeing what Stephen Hillenburg created being destroyed for the sake of profits. I just know he's turning in his grave.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

He would have loved how SpongeBob is now, it’s just as good as classic SpongeBob.

[@dante4401]

This doesn’t mention that in later episode I think called friend or foe there was given backstory on Krabs making the secret formula. More continuity problems are there are multiple characters all referred to as old man jenkins each with different designs. Also the spongebob movies add a ton of timeline confusion (where its placed, Neptune vs Poseidon situation, patty wagon in both movies, etc) trying to think of more examples, fun vid btw, need to check out more modern spongebob

[@joe-lewisjavonnelson1523]

Spin-offs can also be free to have a different tone compared to the main show. For example, Cell at Work Code:Black is allowed to explore darker themes that the main series (Cells at Work) couldn’t due to the former having a different age demographic. I know that both are anime, but that’s the best example I can think of.

[@bluethesabertoothrat4892]

I blame Nickelodeon, this is what happens when they put all of their focus on two shows instead of trying to expand their horizons.

[@dodothegamer9027]

14:26 the nurse character is actually from the normal show in the episode 'the checkup'

[@TheAlphaJayShow]

I went to verify it and you're right. Even when I try to give the show the benefit of the doubt, even some of their newer characters aren't original

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

So, I don't mean this in an aggressive way, I'm honestly asking. Who actually cares about the canon for SpongeBob SquarePants? Surely it's currently working in the same system that The Simpsons has used for decades? It just picks what counts and what doesn't on an episode-by-episode basis. Want Krabs to be a chef at the camp? Sure! Want him to be a manager? That works too! Its like how details such as Homer Simpson's childhood gets changed around if they want to do an episode in the past. It's a status quo show, with the odd bit of continuity. Same as when Lisa became a vegetarian on The Simpsons.

[@msthecommentator2863]

It cracks me up because, by making it so SpongeBob was the one to develop the formula at an early age, they opened up another issue with the continuity since Mr. Krabs and Plankton developed the formula accidentally when they were children, and the resulting fight over who was responsible is the reason why they don't talk to each other anymore. It was supposed to be the driving force behind their feud and why Plankton feels obligated to have it.

[@icecreamhero2375]

How I would fix the Patrick's parent's issue. They sometimes like to wear costumes that look like the old parents.

[@casualcraftman1599]

Better Call Saul is how you make a good comic relief spin off and good prequel.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

Kamp Koral and TPSS ARE good comic relief spin-offs and prequels.

[@dylansharp8471]

Better Call Saul is a prequel/spin-off?

[@casualcraftman1599]

@@dylansharp8471 yep

[@owlshadow2005]

yeah to breaking bad @@dylansharp8471

[@Pepperknight341]

4:20 You forgot Friend or Foe, where Eugene accidentally creates the formula when he was in school.

[@eadghe]

A grown man rants about a kids show. What a time to live in. On a side note, wether it's Garfield, The Peanuts or Spongebob, using 3D is just ugly and ruins the original style.

[@carterhunt548]

Paul tibbitt said that Steven Hillenburg would have HATED the spinoffs. and I totally agree.

[@wynnuverse]

Thing is, when I've seen these shows revealed, I already discredited them and self-labeled them as non-canon. I view them as different timelines, and the episodes that include the characters from other shows... um, I really don't consider them canon either. Kamp Coral and the Patrick Star show absolutely broke the canon set in seasons 1-3, and pre-SoTR movie. I wish they were different rimelines instead of being "the same universe", I'd like them more if they were different timelines.

[@tomatobruv76]

The amount of inconsistencies is EXACTLY WHY the main creator of the show did not want Spongebob babies because if babies were to exist then they would have to find a way to give everything reason of which clearly the current showrunners failed at.

[@coldandstinky]

Well, that is to be expected . The truth is times change and this show will keep getting milked forever. The original SpongeBob SquarePants died a long time ago. The show kept getting watered down to the point where it is not enjoyable anymore. It is not out show anymore, the only solution is to accept reality and move on.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

SPONGEBOB WILL NEVER DIE. IT WILL NEVER GET STALE.

[@briccanimations]

@@jaxsterminator8634Well guess what, it already has.

[@lowfn]

The first episode of Planet Sheen ended with his inner monologue that made you think he would have character development throughout the show and grow as a person. They played us for fools. I remember being so disappointed as a kid because I was hyped to see how he would develop. Also the name of the show made me figure he would eventually rule the planet, thus making it "Planet Sheen"

[@Samm3ybox]

Nickelodeon broken 3 timelines 1st when sandy and sponge met 2nd the origin of the formula 3rd patricks family 2nd one the formula is made after plankton and krabs fights Here is the summary Plankton and krabs got inspired by a health hazard burger place -> krabs and plankton made their own place, it failed -> plankton had a fight with krabs -> Plankton slams the door and the shelf feel and the ingredients went in the pot of chum or something -> krabs taste tested it to everyone at school planktons version failed -> krabs inspired to make a resturant THATS HOW THEIR RIVALRY STARTED Kamp koral just removed that story like bro Also if that actually happend a few question 1 HOW OLD IS MR KRABS 2 WHY DID MR KRABS JOINED OR FOUNDED KAMP KORAL 3 IN THE MOVIE KRABS IS THE COOK HOW IS HE THE ONE WHO RUNS IT THEN 3 IN THE MOVIE MR KRABS WAS INSPIRED BY SPONGEBOB TO OPEN HIS OWN RESTURANT THAT MEANS HE ALREADY HAVE THE FORMULA THEN HOE DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT HE GOT THE FORMULA FROM SPONGEBOB AND HOW DID HE MADE HIS FAST FOOD RESTURANT HE OLY WANTED SPONGEBOB TO BE THERE BECAUSE OF HOW FAST HE WORKS IN THE 1ST EPISODE OF THE ORIGINAL SERIES

[@patrik9328]

Hillenburg never wanted Spongebob spin-offs

[@patrik9328]

@@frescoM-t8j same thing