The sport sedan showdown | 2022 Subaru WRX vs 2022 Honda Civic Si

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Looking for a fast, stick-shift sedan? These two have pedigree and performance.
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The Subaru WRX and Honda Civic both received redesigns for 2022, making them tighter, nimbler, a bit more refined, and a little faster. Cliff Atiyeh tests both back to back to determine whether the more-powerful, all-wheel-drive WRX or the handsome and more sophisticated Civic Si is the better buy.
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Video review: Clifford Atiyeh
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0:00 Introducing the WRX and Si
1:03 WRX Driving Impressions
7:18 Civic Si Driving Impressions
13:42 Exterior Overviews
15:54 Inside the Si
18:28 Inside the WRX
20:17 Pricing
20:59 The Verdict?

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@rcstreet
@rcstreet Жыл бұрын
Subaru dealers are doing $1.5k below MSRP. Honda dealers are asking for $7k or more over MSRP. So a Premium WRX with Harman Kardon and sunroof option end up with the same price as SI. That's why I bought a WRX!
@justingonzalez6448
@justingonzalez6448 11 ай бұрын
I’m about to do the same thing.
@jayczyzyk7607
@jayczyzyk7607 11 ай бұрын
Now subaru is giving 2500 off
@justingonzalez6448
@justingonzalez6448 8 ай бұрын
I love my WRX. My dealer had the same 5k MSRP market adjustment price in the Si and WRX 2k below MSRP. That really nudged me toward the WRX way easier. Only con I have is the fuel economy for the class. I average about 25 mpg combined. That is just a little bit better than my Honda Passport. I suppose the similar HP figures account for this? Either way, each time I drive the: cold start up is awesome, feels like it’s on rails, and feels faster than it is. Maybe check out the WRX TR if you don’t plan to mod the car.
@justingonzalez6448
@justingonzalez6448 8 ай бұрын
I don’t fill up until I travelled at least 300 miles. I think the most I went was about 360.
@HadEnough745
@HadEnough745 6 ай бұрын
WRX needs premium gas and less mpgs than Si
@raiderfan367
@raiderfan367 2 жыл бұрын
All dealers within 400 miles of me had a $5k markup on Civic Si, so I bought the Wrx for MSRP instead. My base model was actually cheaper than the Si. So nuts in this economy.
@ftr911drvr
@ftr911drvr 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed I saw a dealer with 15k in markup it's so hard to imagine why a $40 000 si is worth buying but people do it these cars are pointless at that high a pricd
@ryandevlin3057
@ryandevlin3057 2 жыл бұрын
That’s not adding the packages they add to the car , the non negotiable Package they have is like 3k for every car , Hondas own scam tactic
@steve8803
@steve8803 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryandevlin3057 Honda the manufacturer has nothing to do with that. Blame the dealers.
@MrSemi009
@MrSemi009 Жыл бұрын
Did the same thing
@Holtenstein
@Holtenstein Жыл бұрын
Yep, just went to two dealers for the SI and they were $6-10k marked up. The Acura Integra is actually cheaper!!
@mikehamilton7668
@mikehamilton7668 2 жыл бұрын
These were the two cars I've been considering, in the same respective colors no less! It was a tough choice, but I ordered the blue WRX Premium, manual of course, for the power, handling, and awd. I don't think you can go wrong with either car.
@John-vh1fk
@John-vh1fk 2 жыл бұрын
I just did the same! Originally was shopping for an Si because it was cheaper (in msrp) but every dealer I could find with one wanted $40k out the door. Decided to call up my Subaru dealer we bought our ascent from and they agreed to come off $1k so I ordered a blue Limited for less out the door than the Si after all the dealer markup and dealer add ons the Si.
@antonroux6737
@antonroux6737 2 жыл бұрын
what do you think is better about the Honda by comparison?
@gabrielmarquez3899
@gabrielmarquez3899 2 жыл бұрын
@@John-vh1fk damn I got lucky, family owns a dealership and got it for msrp, blessed situation.
@John-vh1fk
@John-vh1fk 2 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmarquez3899 definitely! I would have got the Si for the cost savings but all my dealers around me wanted a $5k markup and then were adding $7k of dealer added junk (tint, low jack, pinstripe, paint protection, etc…)
@FATmenDRIVEtrucks
@FATmenDRIVEtrucks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing up mark up on Si it's everywhere! Meanwhile I ordered a wrx too for msrp at the closest dealer
@jimmyglea
@jimmyglea Жыл бұрын
I’ve had my WRX GT for about a month now. It feels almost as quick as my ‘15 STi, it handles better, the CVT is good (once you give yourself time to learn it) and the adaptive dampers make the ride really nice. The “ugly” cladding is damn near essential to protect the paint if you drive the car on dirt roads like I do. The 11 speaker stereo thumps. The Recaro seat is comfortable for my 5’8”, 160 lb frame, but the bolstering is a bit aggressive for my wife’s mid-40’s bubble butt. Oh, and I like the fact the rear spoiler is so subtle. It’ll be a decent “sleeper” when I tune it. This car is leaps and bounds better in almost every way than my STi was. The only thing FWD Hondas are good for where I live is marking the ditch in the winter.
@JustisFlame
@JustisFlame Жыл бұрын
You’re the goat, people definitely sleeping on the luxury the GT offers!
@steve8803
@steve8803 Жыл бұрын
@jimmyglea I've driven Civic's for 23 years in the Great White North, I've never seen the ditch. Never even been stuck. The main thing is having good winter tires which you need whether you have awd or fwd. Having said that, I am picking up a 6mt wrx sport tech on Dec 23rd. I love Honda, but my local dealer has been pissing me off so I have decided to give Subaru a shot.
@luciferianjesuslover9453
@luciferianjesuslover9453 Жыл бұрын
Gayyyyyyy
@deathtollwrx
@deathtollwrx Жыл бұрын
I did the same thing. The WRX was MSRP and the dealer added stuff like STI short throw shifter and a bunch of other stuff. The SI had a huge Markup at the time which would have made the SI far more expensive. Its going to take many years for the gas usage to make up for what the amount of money I saved.
@jimmyglea
@jimmyglea Жыл бұрын
@@steve8803 I agree completely about the tires. But, add mountain driving to Great White North winter conditions…you’ll never go back to FWD.
@marcschubert139
@marcschubert139 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently Honda is fudging those HP and TQ numbers a bit, I've seen videos and reports that the Si's are dynoing at or above those numbers at the wheels.
@shaloon64
@shaloon64 2 жыл бұрын
@Hollywood Lurking why do you say that
@mistamaog
@mistamaog 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad the point was made about how there's very few of these types of vehicles left. I have my complaints about these cars just like everyone else, but I feel like most people are quick to write these off, and say they'll wait for the next refresh, not realizing there probably won't be another refresh.
@EvolutionIX219
@EvolutionIX219 2 жыл бұрын
Your comment made me sad because it's true. Have loved these kind of cars since I was a kid. I feel lucky to have owned a couple in my lifetime.
@8JFJK8
@8JFJK8 2 жыл бұрын
Just ordered my WRX today. I feel like its going to be a good investment because the STI is no longer a thing (atleast with a combustion engine) and i feel like the same will happen with the WRX soon. We are seeing the last year/years of a manual trans combustion Subaru sportscar.
@mistamaog
@mistamaog 2 жыл бұрын
@@8JFJK8 It's definitely tempting me for whenever I'm able to get a new car
@8JFJK8
@8JFJK8 2 жыл бұрын
@@mistamaog next STI will only be electric. WRX might go that way as well soon. Also was told by dealer Golf GTIs wont be available in manual next year
@mistamaog
@mistamaog 2 жыл бұрын
@@8JFJK8 I'm pretty sure the manual Golf GTI won't go away until the next generation. But regardless I basically have it set in my head that by 2030, all new manual cars will be gone. So I have until then to decide what car i want.
@waykool698
@waykool698 2 жыл бұрын
New civic is nice, but AWD is a must for me, so Subaru it is. Not the best looking, but it’s a dying breed, so I’m happy it even exists as a new gen.
@Honestandtruth
@Honestandtruth 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment 👍 and Great choice 👍
@db-ro6ui
@db-ro6ui 2 жыл бұрын
I could get over the wheel arches but that diaper on the back is unforgivable.
@IMP3TIGO
@IMP3TIGO 2 жыл бұрын
"Not the best looking" is quite the understatement.
@K03sport
@K03sport 2 жыл бұрын
So, why not winter tires?
@thesheriff720
@thesheriff720 6 сағат бұрын
I think they look great
@JJ-rf7dg
@JJ-rf7dg 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going with WRX. Its a rally car w/ all wheel drive.
@jn9604
@jn9604 Жыл бұрын
The Subaru not having all those driver interference/annoyance features is a plus for the WRX not a negative.
@shapeshifter7676
@shapeshifter7676 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@yojohnny5
@yojohnny5 Жыл бұрын
I test drove both. I really like the Civic Si. But I would do the WRX all day every day over the Civic. Aside from Gas mileage, WRX just kicks ass. I'm surprised at all of the lukewarm reviews on it. It's a great car IMO. But, it's subjective to a large degree. Both are great cars.
@Mike-mz9cm
@Mike-mz9cm 2 жыл бұрын
Just drove the 2022 wrx today. Hwy fluctuated between 11 L/100 and 5 L/100 depending on slope of road. Real world numbers better than the specs.
@garrettbarbosa3080
@garrettbarbosa3080 Жыл бұрын
Lots of us that have always driven manuals,but due to age and injuries and can no longer drive a clutch are greatful that the WRX has the cvt so we can still enjoy an enthusiast car.
@Jelee_Tea
@Jelee_Tea Жыл бұрын
I will take the look of the Civic Si with the performance of the WRX!
@tpmcb33
@tpmcb33 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 Si with 65,000 miles that I purchased for $22,000. I average 36 MPG daily driving and have pulled off 44 MPG highway. Still love driving it to this day.
@jimmyglea
@jimmyglea 2 жыл бұрын
I’m nearly 50 with a bad leg coming out of a 2007 Corolla…I’m sure the automatic in the WRX GT will be more than adequate for me.
@jdos2
@jdos2 2 жыл бұрын
I'd take the WRX- but would also get a set of all season tires. It surprises me that Subaru puts summer only tires on the non-STI versions of the WRX. I just want a decent manual transmission. It doesn't mean I'm doing autocross.
@K03sport
@K03sport 2 жыл бұрын
...the summer rubber is so the car will do better in magazine/video testing...it's a passive way of "cheating" to give the illusion of higher performance...
@gs98999
@gs98999 Жыл бұрын
I personally wish more makes would put summers on sporty cars. All seasons are mediocre in summer and Terrible in snow, especially on something like a wrx that becomes so fun in winter with proper tires?
@kikomanster8188
@kikomanster8188 Жыл бұрын
I live in PNW (Seattle) so we do get icy roads during winter but even now that is fall I can feel the summer tires start to slips. I am currently waiting for my Michelin Pilot Sport 4s All Season to get delivered in the nearest Costco store in my place and might just keep it all year since it has raving reviews with dry, wet and icy roads performance. I just hope that Subaru do what Honda does where they put all season as the main tires and you can get $200 upgrade charge if you want summer tires. I think summer tires mostly will work if you live in AZ, FL, CA and TX or you are the type of person who likes to switch their tires for summer and winter.
@BahhJustaLamb
@BahhJustaLamb Жыл бұрын
The problem with trying to maximize MPG on the WRX is that Subaru is very strongly married to their symmetrical all wheel drive system. Unlike other AWD cars, it has full-time AWD. That means that the whole architecture of the chassis and drivetrain are designed to drive all four wheels 100% of the time. Most "AWD" cars, even the fire breathing CLA45 AMG, are based on a FWD platform, which then adds a drive shaft which can route power (usually up to 50%) to the rear wheels. That means for all intents and purposes, most AWD cars these days are front-wheel-drive most of the time. They only allow the rear wheels to kick in when the fronts lose grip. So they get FWD fuel economy while also getting the benefits of AWD grip in straight line acceleration. What those AWD systems FAIL to do, however, is maintain grip under a variety of conditions, terrain, or heavy performance driving. In buying a WRX, you're trading fuel economy for a full-time AWD system. Is it necessary in California? Probably not. But it sure does wonders in the snow belt areas.
@Skier10
@Skier10 Жыл бұрын
Well put… most don’t understand this key difference between Subaru AWD systems and why it out does almost all others.
@BahhJustaLamb
@BahhJustaLamb Жыл бұрын
@@Skier10 I've had a guy get outright mad that I said the WRX/STI has the best AWD system short of something like an S4 or RS3. He wasn't happy with the fact that his CLA45 has Mercedes' version of the haldex found in VW group cars. I never even said his car was BAD, just that the AWD system specifically doesn't match up to Subaru or Audi's REAL Quattro setup found in the S4 and above. Plenty of haldex cars are batshit fast. The 45 AMG cars are prime examples. But they just ain't gonna handle the way a full-time system would.
@Skier10
@Skier10 Жыл бұрын
@@BahhJustaLamb That's funny. Seems like Mercedes folks tend to be overly sensitive on this topic as I know one as well who gets bent out shape when told his awd doesn't match the Subaru system. I guess they're just above being thought of being substandard to a Subaru in any way. lol
@RobHTech
@RobHTech 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm not sure that an Si competes with a WRX. WRX shoppers generally want AWD. If the Si were AWD, it likely would be the winner for me. And, if I go Acura to get the AWD, the car becomes a fat big 4,000 pounds. Both have great tuning potential. The Honda engine can easily go up to 400hp without a rebuild. The new FA24 can probably go to 350hp without a whole lot. But, the boxer is a more complex engine to build. Also, everything costs double regarding the heads. All the electrical stuff doesn't matter to me. And, Subaru knows WRX buyers like me don't usually give a darn about all those BS "Features," which is why it doesn't have them. Why pay for something I'm just going to turn off/deactivate anyway? And NO, I don't want all that crap "Standard." That's part of what stops me from buying a lot of cars. It's all a waste of money.
@joshuahall4833
@joshuahall4833 Жыл бұрын
yuuuup WRX wins
@richeyrich2203
@richeyrich2203 Жыл бұрын
What’s the color on both of those? Mainly the Rex.. is that the rally blue or sapphire?
@Holtenstein
@Holtenstein Жыл бұрын
Just checked out both these cars today. Honda unfortunately had a $10k mark-up. We went to two different Honda dealerships and the SI was significantly marked up. So much that the Acura Integra is actually cheaper without mark-ups. On the other hand I've found local dealerships have the WRX at MSRP or advertised with $1000 off!!! So this should be more of a comparison between the Integra A spec and the WRX Premium as they're much closer in our the door price!!
@midnightquest9758
@midnightquest9758 2 жыл бұрын
The WRX is sooooo much better . 71 more hp and AWD . It’s a no brainer
@shaloon64
@shaloon64 2 жыл бұрын
Its also 500lbs heavier
@naldovaz9157
@naldovaz9157 7 ай бұрын
l test drive a 2023 WRX and l loved it, 2 days later i buy one, 6 speed mahalo. I always drive manual and for last 10 years l been driving automatics. l knew manuals are getting hard to find these days so l pulled the trigger and so happy to drive my WRX
@tristanerickcatibog7761
@tristanerickcatibog7761 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Just want to ask the performance of the Si and is it safe during snowy road/ situation? I am planning to buy one too. Thanks in advance.
@K03sport
@K03sport 2 жыл бұрын
Buy winter tires. Drive for conditions. Don't go out if it is really bad. My mk4 GTI handled CO and OH winters on Michelin all seasons; no reason the Si couldn't do the same... Driving for conditions is a biggie most ppl overlook...
@davelospinoso9022
@davelospinoso9022 Жыл бұрын
I just got the SI. Can't swallow those black plastic fenders and interior design on the WRX.
@nicholaswilliams6697
@nicholaswilliams6697 3 ай бұрын
how are you liking it a year in?
@LanceEJones
@LanceEJones 8 ай бұрын
I can't believe I'm writing this, but at almost 40, the Civic Si is more appealing to me. An LSD, better interior and fit/finish, an underrated engine, and enough space for tuning. I think they've got me...
@jonman2279
@jonman2279 Жыл бұрын
How is a front wheel drive meant for all year round? Do this test after a good snowfall.
@jeffmorse645
@jeffmorse645 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see an in depth review of the WRX GT. Everyone is automatically bemoaning the CVT, but I'm curious what Subaru was able to do with it. Its not the same calibration as in the Outback or something - I've read that much. Quite a few tweaks.
@rayrice2553
@rayrice2553 2 жыл бұрын
I drive an old si now, but my urban commute is giving me high blood pressure lol. Subaru is really saying the CVT is going to be performance oriented and I’d love to give it a try.
@jeffmorse645
@jeffmorse645 2 жыл бұрын
@@rayrice2553 Exactly. I'm just curious to see a professional review of the GT with the CVT to see if their claims hold up.
@K03sport
@K03sport 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, bemoaning for good reason. Subaru is forcing drivers to settle w/the CVT to get better tech and seats. They say that the CVT opens the car up to a broader market (look at Levorg sales in other markets)...but what they are really doing is moving away from performance. They are only involved (loosely) in Vermont rally racing. I would really like to see Subaru put their money where their mouth is an (Vermont) rally their precious GT-CVT. Prove to me/everyone that it is better...
@jeffmorse645
@jeffmorse645 2 жыл бұрын
@@K03sport All I said was I was curious how it does. It may be a P.O.S. but then again they may surprise people. Its just there aren't any reviews out for it so who knows? From what I understand there are production issues/shortages and they've only been making manuals.
@4ft3rburn3r
@4ft3rburn3r 2 жыл бұрын
@@K03sport You forgot to mention that government regulations are forcing car companies to improve their fuel efficiency/emissions numbers which is why I believe Subaru wants to sell you a CVT over a manual and which is why there is no STi. Subaru has mentioned the next iteration of the STi will be hybrid or fully electric.
@joelgibbs23
@joelgibbs23 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review
@gustavopaulette3496
@gustavopaulette3496 2 жыл бұрын
Ordered the first pre order for the 2022 WRX Sapphire in America when it came out on 2/17/22 at 11am 💪
@po.russki
@po.russki 2 жыл бұрын
How do you know it was the first? Lmao. I ordered a sapphire blue on 2/17 as well. Props.
@gustavopaulette3496
@gustavopaulette3496 2 жыл бұрын
@@po.russki they told me. I kept calling several dealers (about 50) and non of them could even order. Then this dealer told me he would call me back as soon as the orders would open. I insisted he keep refreshing the page and kept him on the phone for over an hour until some of the 22 WRX info started posting. Pricing hadn’t even posted so I kept making the manager refresh the page until pricing popped up around 11am. He then asked me to bare with him since I will be the first order and we got through. This particular dealer has several other Subaru dealers and they confirmed I was the first order on the new WRX. Then hours later about a dozen dealers called me back saying orders had just gone up but I had already ordered hours prior. Orders opened up at 1pm but I had already ordered by 11am 💪 had originally planned WRB color but when I found out there was a newer blue I went with the Sapphire option. Which trim? I had planned on base model since I only drive three miles a day but decided I would like the nicer interior and wheels. Props to you too 🤝 did you pay msrp as well?
@armandwrx1696
@armandwrx1696 2 жыл бұрын
@@gustavopaulette3496 What is the Estimated Delivery date for your order?
@gustavopaulette3496
@gustavopaulette3496 2 жыл бұрын
@@armandwrx1696 April but hoping sooner
@BobbyB910
@BobbyB910 2 жыл бұрын
I used to absolutely say no to auto CVT but I bought a 2022 legacy with the FB25/8spdCVT I keep up with civic SI and I get avg 37.8mpg on the hwy and 24.8 city I would actually get a CVT. The previous cvt on the wrx could handle 360tq and 340ish HP that’s very streetable and damn near perfect for a daily that’s fun Good review all in all
@raymondhachmishvili2483
@raymondhachmishvili2483 2 жыл бұрын
Wrx for me, I'm loving the new design
@maitrehg
@maitrehg 2 жыл бұрын
You like that SUV look on a sport car ?
@raymondhachmishvili2483
@raymondhachmishvili2483 2 жыл бұрын
@@maitrehg each to their own The civic to me lacks identify.
@maitrehg
@maitrehg 2 жыл бұрын
@@raymondhachmishvili2483 I agree with you. It's not the prettiest Honda I've seen.
@tear728
@tear728 Жыл бұрын
SI looks too flat...? Something about it reminds me of a pancake
@Minxviral1
@Minxviral1 2 жыл бұрын
Why is there background music when doing car reviews 💀
@khtut8015
@khtut8015 Жыл бұрын
Good review .
@thememan8151
@thememan8151 2 жыл бұрын
I cant wait for the GT trim review! Very curious about how fun the new performance transmission is and how the adjustible dampers work. Great review!
@aaronreed9863
@aaronreed9863 2 жыл бұрын
For $43,000 though. Oof.
@mistamaog
@mistamaog 2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine that transmission being fun
@aaronreed9863
@aaronreed9863 2 жыл бұрын
I know all the hate on the CVT. Go check out some vids on actual long term ownership on the WRX CVT. Lots of praise actually. This one is supposed to be better so maybe it is decent? I'd like to drive one to see. But yea, for $43,000, I'm getting a used Stinger GT2 AWD instead of a new CVT WRX.
@po.russki
@po.russki 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah sadly still no reviews on it.
@g_p_3431
@g_p_3431 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronreed9863 No just no, quit defending that shit transmission.
@trentmckenzie343
@trentmckenzie343 Жыл бұрын
Which of these cars would hold up better to southern backroads with gravel and big potholes?
@boocakez8222
@boocakez8222 Жыл бұрын
I'm going for the WRX. AWD is a must for me
@MrFrostyankles
@MrFrostyankles 6 ай бұрын
Tires >>>> AWD
@LiohJuney
@LiohJuney 2 жыл бұрын
No Elantra N as competition?
@bobbyjames9827
@bobbyjames9827 2 жыл бұрын
Next time, can CG remove the looping background music? Otherwise, great review.
@extraordinarywolf320
@extraordinarywolf320 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t compare AWD with FWD . AWD all the way. Nothing to argue here.
@scotthamilton6868
@scotthamilton6868 2 жыл бұрын
I owned an 02 WRX fully raced out. Loved that car. But I test drove the 2018 Si and bought it. It handles better and is actually more fun to drive. I was shocked it was a FWD car.
@christopherrogers8316
@christopherrogers8316 2 жыл бұрын
@Jayson Adams is that how it works? lol....
4 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation. I just bought a 2024 Honda Civic and your review still works because it’s the same car.
@mfmf100
@mfmf100 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review. The Elantra N and Mazda 3 are also pretty direct competitors.
@Nick-jg9ck
@Nick-jg9ck 2 жыл бұрын
And the elantra in comes in manual. Should be in this review
@billybones2385
@billybones2385 2 жыл бұрын
The Elantra N is more of a type R competitor, than an SI competitor.
@K03sport
@K03sport 2 жыл бұрын
Mazda 3 hatch comes in manual too, yes (2.5L/187hp). The turbo 3 is auto only.
@RossMKF1
@RossMKF1 Жыл бұрын
GTI as well
@neeko.b
@neeko.b 2 жыл бұрын
Si for me. More refined and the plastic cladding on the WRX is hideous. Good winter tires have got me through Canadian winters so far, so no issues on the FWD either.
@neeko.b
@neeko.b 2 жыл бұрын
@@layne4376 I’m sure it is and the 2021 WRX would probably be make it a harder choice, though if I started opening it up to other cars a 2021 Golf R would probably be at the top.
@neeko.b
@neeko.b 2 жыл бұрын
@@layne4376 Yeah, there’s that too. Even a used GTI from a year or two ago can end up being more than the Si. Kinda crazy how much all the more affordable performance cars have gone up in price.
@matthewtomaszewski3269
@matthewtomaszewski3269 28 күн бұрын
Very good review. Just picked up an Si for MSRP. Everything he says is true. 38 mpg for backroads driving and a lot of fun to drive.
@tu6198
@tu6198 Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking of the Canadian Civic Si for the extras goodies we don't get in the US
@ak2112
@ak2112 Жыл бұрын
I like both. SI gets the nod though. $5k cheaper + nicer versus the awd and more power of the WRX.
@jcollins2826
@jcollins2826 Жыл бұрын
Kind of sounded like a Honda commercial. Maybe it really is better. Who knows. It does look nice. I bought the WRX anyway. At 12psi boost, it has room for tuning. The little 1.5 liter Honda is stressed a lot more than the Subaru. At the end of the day, it’s what each person wants out of their car. Some of the comparable features don’t mean as much in real life. It’s great to see them compared, but sentiment, passion and personal taste end up making the decisions for me.
@drivescene6747
@drivescene6747 2 жыл бұрын
I love Hondas but the WRX is overall a better package than the Civic SI, it’s also more powerful and a lot faster so there’s that lol
@UmarTheGreat10
@UmarTheGreat10 2 жыл бұрын
Nope
@hahaadventures4838
@hahaadventures4838 Жыл бұрын
I’ve stomped all over Si’s with my 22 WRX! The Si gets blown away because of the 2.4 flat torque curve! Don’t need revs to accelerate quickly in the WRX! Plus the torque stays high from 2500-5500 rpms. Si has no chance with that tiny 1.5! I wanted an Si until I test drove them both.
@juelz4516
@juelz4516 11 ай бұрын
I am the opposite. I wanted a wrx until I test drove a wrx, then the civic back to back. It was night and day. I didn’t want to sit high up in a bouncey ass car with tons of body roll, paired with a rubbery feeling stick shift and a terrible interior with a triangle window in front of the regular window next to the driver like an old mini van 😂. WRXs are TRASH. Felt like I was driving a truck. Civic is planted, no body roll, awesome feeling notchy stick shift with Waaaaaaay better gas mileage. Have fun with that 25 mpg!
@thesheriff720
@thesheriff720 6 сағат бұрын
​@@juelz4516we will 😘
@EvenBiggerPharma
@EvenBiggerPharma 2 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling this guy isn't very big on Subarus..
@PocketDrummer
@PocketDrummer 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I quit watching about halfway through when I realized he was nitpicking the Subaru for everything and had almost nothing negative to say about the civic. It's like, we get it, you guys don't like Subarus. You don't need this much air time to say it.
@vicinvesta8349
@vicinvesta8349 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to drive somebody's WRX but I would choose to own an SI.
@abel3619
@abel3619 Жыл бұрын
Same. Own the si but wanna drive a wrx
@hahaadventures4838
@hahaadventures4838 Жыл бұрын
I’ve driven both and own the WRX. The Si is significantly slower and needs more revs to accelerate hard. The WRX walks all over the Si. I’ve destroyed 2 of them since I bought this WRX!
@habbyguys
@habbyguys Жыл бұрын
Honda has not always had great manual transmissions. The 2006 SI had problems with the second gear sync.
@hfdewees
@hfdewees 2 жыл бұрын
Honda Civic Si is my first choice of the two... but I have to say when I saw how many extra features come on the Canadian version for the same price, I was really disappointed.
@jayman81424
@jayman81424 2 жыл бұрын
Outside of the heated steering wheel, heated seats and the full digital dash, what else is missing?
@db-ro6ui
@db-ro6ui 2 жыл бұрын
@@jayman81424 bro you just described a lot of important missing features lol.
@jayman81424
@jayman81424 2 жыл бұрын
@@db-ro6ui Eh, not really lol. But every one is different.
@hfdewees
@hfdewees 2 жыл бұрын
@@jayman81424 Honda Pro Jason has a video about the differences. There's at least 10 things they get, like fog lights and dual zone climate control... oh yeah... and one he doesn't mention... they don't pay extra for the Blazing Orange color.
@CaFFeineSouLja
@CaFFeineSouLja Жыл бұрын
Just got the WRX Prem. Saphire for $3200 off msrp
@Davidzebak306
@Davidzebak306 Жыл бұрын
The Civic SI comes standard with heated front and rear seats and a heated steering wheel in Canada.
@Zer0Log1c
@Zer0Log1c 2 жыл бұрын
appreciated the comparison... but can we please get more than one song for a 20+ minute video. Same tune on repeat starts to detract from the review after the 3rd looping of it
@10thFTW
@10thFTW Жыл бұрын
Don't forget if you tried, you get double gas mileage on the SI over subbie. So what it doesn't have awd, you get a mechanical LSD for the front tires, makes it fun!
@YannickHetu
@YannickHetu 2 жыл бұрын
just saying .. in canada the SI have front ant back heated seat ... and heated steering wheel
@krisbatz4803
@krisbatz4803 2 жыл бұрын
Awd vs fwd on canyon runs... Test that
@protectork9831
@protectork9831 Ай бұрын
Civic sport touring is 3k below msrp is it worth it
@thedadlife247
@thedadlife247 15 күн бұрын
it safe to say he's team si he got the gear on.
@TrickyRicky75
@TrickyRicky75 2 жыл бұрын
I’m team Honda. Already got my 2022 Si
@jameswillard1
@jameswillard1 2 жыл бұрын
MSRP?
@TrickyRicky75
@TrickyRicky75 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameswillard1 No $35,000
@davidl6354
@davidl6354 2 жыл бұрын
My 2018 wrx gets 15-20mpg city and 26-32 highway and I usually get 22.9 avg on 10k miles
@protectork9831
@protectork9831 Ай бұрын
That’s extremely poor
@davidl6354
@davidl6354 Ай бұрын
@@protectork9831 it is
@tripledub0evoxgsr
@tripledub0evoxgsr 2 жыл бұрын
It’s sad how far the Impreza has fallen off that it’s being compared to a Honda Civic 😂😂😂
@jeremybrown3748
@jeremybrown3748 2 жыл бұрын
No auto for me, only auto that is good in this segment is the Volkswagen R auto. But really like my 2015 WRX, bought it fist year it came out. Hope the audio sounds better in the 2022 WRX. The only color I like it in is the gray..the cladding does not stick out as bad!!
@wazewaze8185
@wazewaze8185 2 жыл бұрын
Volkswagen R is not in this segment lmao. But I got you
@RossMKF1
@RossMKF1 Жыл бұрын
The GTI has the same DSG transmission as the Golf R and a manual option
@maximilin8381
@maximilin8381 Жыл бұрын
I owned 2020 si, yesterday I took a test drive on 2023 wrx. This car make me to smile whole day, talk only about it and dream only about it. It is solid race machine. After wrx- so is just a Coca Cola can! Looking for money to buy wax ASAP
@rubenorozco8567
@rubenorozco8567 Жыл бұрын
He really said it feels nice like a Porsche, damn
@Scott-mu4xw
@Scott-mu4xw Жыл бұрын
What they need to do is make a AWD SI, or Subaru could step up there game and make make a more fuel efficient car.
@falcon64z8
@falcon64z8 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder where the Elantra N would measure between the 2...
@shaloon64
@shaloon64 2 жыл бұрын
Elantra N beats the wrx in a u drag
@postalpancho
@postalpancho 2 жыл бұрын
Just like the new Integra with manual only in the top trim And Supra with its manual barely arriving in 2023 I think manufacturers purposely miss the mark on options in order to people new reasons to continue buying their cars. They want to sell the same amount of cares every year instead of having a car that is only hot for a couple of years.
@spawn11
@spawn11 Жыл бұрын
Fuel economy and premium fuel costs on WRX are scary. Currently am driving 2015 WRX driving it for 6 years. Loved every bit of it. Next car won't be WRX though fuel costs are crazy. Maybe forester or impreza hatch
@hahaadventures4838
@hahaadventures4838 Жыл бұрын
I’m getting 25mpgs mixed on every tank. I’ve never seen the epa 19mpg rating.
@j.c.9305
@j.c.9305 Жыл бұрын
If you get a current WRX the person in that demographic is not worried about premium fuel cost or the mpg of the WRX. A WRX owner wants the fun and exclusivity of the car, there may be 2500 WRX models shipped to the U.S. maybe...
@thesheriff720
@thesheriff720 6 сағат бұрын
​@@hahaadventures4838same here, way better on the highway too
@Sergeant_GiO
@Sergeant_GiO 2 жыл бұрын
Si with Ktuner Map and done ☑️ it will be closer to the WRX power and still better gas mileage
@steve8803
@steve8803 2 жыл бұрын
You can mod a wrx too you know. And the wrx has massively superior grip to handle the extra power. Also the best re-sale value in its class. The extra you spend on gas, you'll get back in re-sale value.
@MrJeffSD
@MrJeffSD 6 ай бұрын
Just got back from dealer. Wrx msrp and si 10k accessories and mark up
@jn9604
@jn9604 Жыл бұрын
Sorry not having eyesight is a good thing. Adds cost to purchase and adds to repair costs down the road as these system so have problems for all makes. Plus if you are paying attention to your driving, which everyone should be doing, they are just an annoyance not a help.
@truckinguy92
@truckinguy92 Жыл бұрын
All of that rust on the brake rotors looks horrible. Was a non issue on my 21 Mustang.
@shredblue8536
@shredblue8536 Жыл бұрын
The main that that’s killing me is fuel economy.
@davidmullineaux6157
@davidmullineaux6157 2 жыл бұрын
Increase the cost, put some more horsepower into the car Honda. Cmon 0-60 in 6.8 seconds (per car and driver) is .2 seconds slower than na mazda 3 w fwd.
@jamesreckling6697
@jamesreckling6697 Жыл бұрын
There is a huge difference in the power of these cars, sorry it is not even close.
@sharktin240
@sharktin240 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would go for the GLI over these tqo
@sharktin240
@sharktin240 2 жыл бұрын
@Jayson Adams u make no sense
@josephdevaney9371
@josephdevaney9371 2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny to watch these videos now considering that the sti is no longer a thing. Just waiting on the type R now
@ftr911drvr
@ftr911drvr 2 жыл бұрын
Dealers are charging 7k to 15k in markup on the SI smh which makes it more expensive than the WRX
@lordgreystaff6639
@lordgreystaff6639 5 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s just that Subaru owners tend to stay Subaru, but I bought a WRX. It helps that it’s continuous AWD and I’m in Canada.
@oreally8605
@oreally8605 2 жыл бұрын
What I would do for 271hp in my 2012 Scion xB! I can't afford a WRX!
@JustKicks786
@JustKicks786 Жыл бұрын
SI is the better everyday car unless you deal with snow on the regular
@E.H-ww6zb
@E.H-ww6zb Ай бұрын
my 23 f150 5.0 gets that fuel economy (mainly highway) but I'm about to trade it in for one
@kristoffersana960
@kristoffersana960 8 ай бұрын
Actually to turn on “Track” mode you just turn traction control off. I thought this was hilarious. I have a black 2023 WRX. Love it.
@thesheriff720
@thesheriff720 6 сағат бұрын
Same here I thought it was something special but it made me laugh when the traction control turned off lol
@DaHiddenGemz
@DaHiddenGemz Жыл бұрын
The civic is nice. I've always loved a good SI, but the interior is kinda... odd imo. I went with the WRX, plus a FF just isn't my favorite platform. Both are cool cars though, for sure.
@aastn1337
@aastn1337 11 ай бұрын
The interior is luxury, it's nicer than the WRX for sure
@johnthomas460
@johnthomas460 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know about the Honda, but I owned the 2022 WRX for almost 5K miles and am happy to sell it back to Subaru. I bought the car while in transit and not even taking a test drive. Looks are subjective…going to the good stuff. First 2k very harsh ride. Front seats are not for wide back people. Paint is cheap, very cheap. Never sit down and sign papers before the walk around…never. Handling is twitchy at highway speeds, fine at lower speeds. Apple Car Play works nice with the big screen. Easy to pick up slower traffic on the map out of the corner of my eye. I found the performance for the money lacking. Let’s face it MPG. isn’t great and then you need premium. If they could have gotten the same performance on regular unleaded I would have been much happier. That would have left ,ore room to work with.
@j.c.9305
@j.c.9305 Жыл бұрын
Doubting you purchased one more of a troll rant. If you did you did not do your research on what a WRX is. The seats are not designed to accomodate obese people. The paint on my 22 WRX has been great so far. Soy boys and these cars are not a match, your post is a sour grape waste of time.
@johnthomas460
@johnthomas460 Жыл бұрын
@@j.c.9305 not trolling. I owned one. Just my sour opinion of a sour car.
@shrijanaryal4923
@shrijanaryal4923 2 жыл бұрын
who let such shitty bg music in otherwise such perfectly narrated video with car sounds?
@ScorpioMotivation
@ScorpioMotivation 2 жыл бұрын
Wrx is 271 horse power AWD and it start at 30k in Canada. The Honda civic si is FWD and has 200 horse power and it start at 40k in Canada. Personally, the choice was easy to make. However, I understand that some people prefer the look of the SI and the interior of that car is really nice. Ultimately, I believe both car are great, but I still prefer the wrx and it's more affordable than the SI. Great vid btw
@wazewaze8185
@wazewaze8185 2 жыл бұрын
The si is 28k lol wth u getting 40k from. If you can’t negotiate or wait for prices to drop. You’re in a loose loose spot anyway
@manuel123D
@manuel123D 2 жыл бұрын
you justifying your purchase by making up MSRP numbers? lol.
@brolyvi1211
@brolyvi1211 Жыл бұрын
@@wazewaze8185 you dont read. He said in Canada. It is $37k CAD and WRX is at 32k ish CAD. CAD is canadian dollar in case you dont know.
@brolyvi1211
@brolyvi1211 Жыл бұрын
@@manuel123D ​ you are another… he said in CAnada. Check out the prices. Lol You cant buy a decent car at $28k in canada lol. 😅
@harmfulport8340
@harmfulport8340 2 жыл бұрын
Wrx seems nice cause of the awd system but I’ve never had an issue with Honda I live in Toronto Ontario and good winter tires can get you through on a fwd car for 35k in a si I’m getting a lesser premium integra and With a downpipe big intercooler and a tsp stage 1 tune your already at 286 whp 🤷🏾‍♂️ in a 1.5 t
@steve8803
@steve8803 2 жыл бұрын
All the power in the world don't matter when you can't hook it up. The problem in the Si is you'll be spinning tires up to third gear. By the time it hooks up the wrx is too far ahead to reel it in.
@chucksabino5735
@chucksabino5735 2 жыл бұрын
Great review, I’m sold on the Si period . Not saying I don’t like the WRX it’s just the Si has all around goodness
@FuckYouTube069
@FuckYouTube069 4 ай бұрын
I’m spilt between the two
@billsanter
@billsanter 7 ай бұрын
Put in a steering dampener lockdown and you will get more feel in the steering.
@Boatfisherz1
@Boatfisherz1 Жыл бұрын
Meh to both cars. Subaru is overpriced, the civic engine will have issues in the long run with a tiny 1.5 turbo. Honda should have stayed with a NA and increased to 220hp.
@ericrichards8939
@ericrichards8939 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting how VW slots the GLI between these two cars. GLI seats in-between the WRX and SI in price and in the power department. Probably has the best interior minus the steering wheel controls. This is a three horse race and you can't mention one, without the other two.
@shivamarya5225
@shivamarya5225 2 жыл бұрын
civic has better interior hands down, there's just more soft-touch points and knobs and buttons are satisfying and it looks really minimalistic and clean.
@hahaadventures4838
@hahaadventures4838 Жыл бұрын
I drove both and the WRX is significantly quicker and doesn’t need the annoying higher revs to move quick. I got my WRX $500 below MSRP so bye bye Honda Civic Si
@jovani6044
@jovani6044 2 жыл бұрын
No heated seats, no wireless charging, no navigation? Big dealer breakers imo. Such standard features should be at this price point.
@gladdy02
@gladdy02 Жыл бұрын
I just hate how stripped out the US civic is 😡
@brettbonz121
@brettbonz121 10 ай бұрын
The background music is annoying…it’s like being on the phone with someone who won’t turn the radio off, all you wanna do is hang up.
@bronsonlejour9239
@bronsonlejour9239 10 ай бұрын
9 times out of 10 I'm picking the Si but I'm in Canada so 6 months of the year I see snow so WRX.
@Dreamweaver94
@Dreamweaver94 Жыл бұрын
I've heard this generation WRX feels more Mitsubishi EVO than rally car.
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