The 2022 Honda Civic Si Is a Sporty-ish Civic

[@Totesthebest]

I think Doug nailed it on who the buyer is. They're not thinking oh the gli/gti/veloster are faster for a little more money. They're thinking oh this car is faster than your standard daily and still has good fuel economy. It's a manual, it's fun, but you don't have to feel guilty about driving it.

[@MrGimmethreesteps]

I have the previous generation si and I bought it for the reasons you and Doug listed. I have a fun/fast project car I enjoy going for drives on the weekend. My Si gets me to work cheaply and is more fun to drive than a Civic Ex.

[@rotarydude9737]

My 16' Fiesta ST nearly matches this in MPG, and feels far more fun! No regrets whatsoever.

[@quaranjones2359]

I just got a 2020 si and I agree with this completely.

[@shredwig]

But what does it do better than the GLI/GTI besides costing a nominal amount less?

[@shredwig]

@@MechEngineer15 Yup it's a great car, and I had a similar thought when I bought my 2018 Forester XT (the final year they offered it with the WRX powertrain), I'd much rather buy 1-owner used than compromise on performance to afford something new.

[@connel13]

I miss Doug actually breaking down the scores and why he gave them. I always liked that.

[@TheKDKCollector]

Me too… 😔

[@2hat]

No

[@f181234]

@@yungboicontigo9278 Doug score is stupid

[@MegaCoolguy1996]

I always skipped to the next video once the Doug score part came on lol

[@hugonubario]

me too! I liked to compared to what score I would gave to the car

[@charles723]

My wife and I both own Volkswagens, and let me tell you...regardless of the power comparison, the Civic SI will be on the road looooong after the Jetta GLI has been sent to the junkyard. It will also destroy the GLI on resale value and maintenance costs.

[@shaunfranks8028]

Agreed!

[@phylanx1]

Nice to see Doug review more affordable cars.

[@mysliwya]

He does it because that’s where the views are.

[@simoncalitri5550]

@@mysliwya easily debatable

[@Rew123]

Yawn. IDGAF about poor people cars.

[@Grfn_nfrg]

@@Rew123 then why did you click on the video 😆

[@mysliwya]

@@Rew123 well the numbers don’t lie.

[@johnm1008]

They didn't want the si to be "too good" and make people not want to spend more for a Type R. Looks like mission accomplished I'd say.

[@Tjtjboy]

Actually Acura is bringing back the integra. That's probably what they don't want it to compete with.

[@24bergman]

To describe what Honda did to BMW here in literary terms it’s as if BMW wrote a classic play called Julius Caesar. And Honda when ahead and rewrote their own play and called theirs Julius Shmeaser.

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

@@24bergman that was the weirdest comparison ive ever read and also i have no clue what you mean by any of that

[@maxbabineauxxx]

I'd pay 5k more and get the Elantra N

[@24bergman]

@@Mr.Thermistor7228 are you telling me you don’t detect a little plagiarism among the engineers at Honda in their new Civic design that completely mimics the 3 series sedan without any attempt to conceal their nefarious artistic liberties?

[@beacheykeen]

I like Doug's theory about the buyers being looking at the regular Civic but the biggest problem with that is most causal buyers aren't looking for a stick shift.

[@joefunsmith]

Yes, but most Civic buyers aren't as interested in performance either. If you ARE, there's a good chance you ARE interested in the stick.

[@mynameisnoxe]

I guess I'm an exception to the theory. I was looking at the GTI, Veloster N and Kona N but ended up buying the Si. The Si just has the best interior (I'm in Canada so I get all the extra goodies) and is the best compromise between fun and not too much of a crashy ride. Also fuel economy was a pro because of the rising prices. I do feel a little called out by Doug because stretching to the Kona N or top trim GTI would have put more of a strain on my budget.

[@MSportsEngineering]

@@mynameisnoxe the Civic SI in Canada is positioned differently due to the upgrades. It is the top trim in Canada whereas the Touring is top dog in the US. The Canadian SI really isn't part of this argument.

[@justshitposting8411]

@@mynameisnoxe fellow Canadian interested in this car, how do you feel it does in the cold up here? Given that it's not uncommon to see -50° and a couple feet of snow at times, would you describe the car as dailyable here? How is traction in the snow? And I'm assuming because it's a manual, remote start is a no go?

[@shredwig]

@@mynameisnoxe Glad you're happy with your purchase but that's where Cert. Pre-Owned comes in, and I can't believe anyone would call the GTI crashy.

[@kurtesparon6305]

I love how doug teases the next car he's about to review whenever he's promoting cars and bids

[@Kanati96]

I hate it because I feel the car he is teasing is always more interesting than the car he is currently reviewing

[@XanMan_05]

I remember waiting at least a couple weeks to see the Vibe GT after he teased it in the S2000 video. Hopefully we don’t have to wait too long for the GTI. 🤞

[@bash8387]

@@yungboicontigo9278 every time I see the back of the Volkswagen I always think is the Civic lol

[@dav8388]

Not always. He teased a Dodge Ramcharger several months ago and has never aired it. I've mentioned it a couple times but he never responds

[@joelolaya3108]

He needs to do the corolla SE next!

[@jamesnall569]

I didn’t know soooo many people complain about the power seats. The manual rail to go forward and backward is better and faster obviously. 1 less electrical item to fail and cost the customer hundreds of dollars in the distant future.

[@reverbxd]

preach king

[@karokuwabara949]

the most vocal ironically do not have buying power. it's just noise from unemployed psychos or literal children

[@andrewbuller5296]

While I can understand your point of view on power seats, seats are more than just moving in two directions at two different points. Being everyone is different in size, shape and age, having the ability to adjust in multiple different configurations makes driving more comfortable, especially long distances. I'd gladly pay the minimal cost to attain power seats for that reason. Power windows? Now that is something more reasonable to be against. Besides, it's extremely rare that power seats have issues that I'm aware of. Not saying it never happens, but when was the last time a friend, co-worker or family member complained they had to repair their power seat once and boycotted them going forward? Basically zero.

[@mcslender2965]

Power seat + seat memory is awesome when you have multiple people driving the same car tho

[@zaidonthemoon144]

Would you say the same thing if it had hand crank windows tho 😂

[@iundeadlich]

Just to clarify the navigation option on the instrument cluster is also for Android Auto and Apple Carplay rather than just a compass. Just be sure to have a destination set, it will show you the turns and distances.

[@iundeadlich]

Just so you know if you plan on using HondaLink with this vehical; the app on your phone won't sync up at the moment. I have notified the dealer about said issue. This effects Samsung and Iphone counter parts. It's apparently the app itself from the phone, not knowing what to do with the vehical information. But it will say it's connected. If anyone has any other issues please let me know, so I can inform the honda dealer. I will report back if a fix was issued.

[@michaelwillard6840]

Yep, I have a Civic Touring and I can confirm if you have a route set using Apple Maps it will show the next turn in the gauge cluster. While I'm here, for my money I'd get the Sport Touring hatchback over the Si, it can be had with a manual as well. Many of the features Doug mentions are missing in the Si are available on the Sport Touring, and it's the same engine

[@iundeadlich]

@@michaelwillard6840 Thank you for confirming that! Mind you yo do miss out on the Auto Rev matching, and the already installed helical limited-slip differential from the factory. Though I would say the tuning on the engine in the Si is a bit more peppy and revs a lot faster due to it's twin scroll turbocharger.

[@Firebolt1729]

Its disappointing to see the Canadian version get a full digital dash, heated seats, and heated steering wheel all at a cheaper price than the US version. The handling and feel is there, not sure why Honda always holds out on just bumping up the power a little bit and make it standard, not making people buy some Type R to get some real power. That’s always been the Achilles heel of the SI, relatively underwhelming power numbers. Honda should've increased the horsepower of the Si, it's been 200hp for a long while now. Competitors have increased the power of their performance cars while the Civic Si is stuck at 200 horsepower.

[@karlk.6819]

Still better than korean vehicles

[@johngezon1220]

Simple, Cheap, Quick, Cheap. Interior is still nicer than the new GTI.

[@johngezon1220]

@UCbBkGvbiZK9myvNS1a69zxw Have you seen the new interior on the GTI? Its a step backward in design. Sure the 2.0T is a better engine, but its still got all the German Headaches.

[@iCoolaxe]

Wouldn't make sense giving the Si too much power with the Type R being a thing.

[@houseofno]

In the late 80's, loaded 5.0 Mustangs used to compete against stripped out Honda Civics (back seats tossed out, interior stripped out, no AC) getting their tails creamed by the V8 Mustangs running full AC, power everything, stereo going full blast, intact interior. I loved it.

[@jstett]

everyone seems to forget that the civic si was never mean to be some crazy fast sports car that everyone and their mom wanted. It has always been a pretty basic car with better handling and slightly more power than your average car. The 2022 seems to nail that one perfectly, with the car handling great and making 220hp(handata proved this on a stock 2022 si) it seems to me like it’s the perfect car for someone who wants reliability, good fuel economy, and a slightly sportier version of your average commuter car. i do agree that honda skimped on some things with the car but i believe that with the aftermarket support this car is already seeing it will be a great car for the right person

[@nham8875]

Honda reliability, very affordable, fantastic 6 speed manual, great daily driver (gas milage, comfortable), sporty handling. Not a bad package

[@splewy]

It’s kinda interesting how 3 times in a row now Honda has followed the same pattern for the even/odd generations of the Civic. The even generations (6, 8, 10) all had bold new styling directions, represented massive leaps forward in tech and generally felt much more expensive than they actually were. The odd generations (7, 9, 11) have all felt like softer, cheaper feeling and more conservatively styled iterative versions of the generation that preceded them.

[@matrxzeno4761]

Idk the new si doesn't seem cheap at all as a matter of fact looks much more upscale compared to the 10th gen.

[@splewy]

@@matrxzeno4761 The fact that it lost a lot of content from the last Gen (heated seats, dual zone climate, fog lights, adaptive shocks) makes it seem kinda cheap to me.

[@matrxzeno4761]

@@splewy yeah that I agree with. Wish the american market got the fully spec'd out version like the other countries.

[@sirot5561]

thats an amazing point! I def agree! the 7th, 9th and 10th gens were sooo fresh at each time and really amazing with looks and performance! This new civic looks so basic and average

[@f181234]

6th gen wasn’t really a bold look compared to the 5th Gen it looked more like a facelift. And they got rid of Si hatchback that gen

[@ronniejaye1]

This has changed into a semi quick daily driver to the bare bones to get it cheap (but not really what I'd call cheap) . It's definitely no sports car any longer.

[@sarahwood8943]

The last Civic SI that was a sports car through and through was the Seventh gen. Hasn’t been the same since.

[@Joey856721]

@@sarahwood8943 I highly agree

[@johnathansmith1003]

It's crazy to think this car costs more than an STI did a few years ago.

[@DougDeMuro]

Indeed. It needs more performance or more pizzazz or both. The segment is no longer owned by Honda, with many more rivals appearing (most recently Veloster N and Elantra N). Honda seems to be OK giving up their hold on the segment in pursuit of being the least expensive car in the segment, and that's fine -- but it's definitely not the excitement machine it once was.

[@johnathansmith1003]

@@DougDeMuro I love it when Douglas interacts w/his fans!

[@footballfreke25]

I have a 2018 Si and I absolutely love it. The handling is impeccable. It also has all of the missing amenities this new version doesn't(heated seats, dual climate control, etc.)

[@russelld5838]

And it had a lower MSRP too; I was disappointed to see this new Si charge you more and give you less.

[@a124as]

In 2 years it’ll have it all again.

[@nbain66]

@@a124as you were right. Type R dash, heated seats.

[@electrikoptik]

In Mexico the Honda Civic Si is sold as Honda Civic Yes. Thank you, I'll see myself out!

[@jamesengland7461]

You mean, you'll si yourself out :)

[@mattmatthews5414]

Hasn’t “Si” always translated to “Sporty ish” when compared to the type R’s?

[@HAFBeast91]

I feel the new models are a bit too refined and isolated. Look at 15 Si, it has a nice throaty noise. But the generation after just lost all exhaust tone and became too refined and civilized like the GTI

[@lennymirabeau874]

Does seem to mean that cause when you look at the capital S and then they downsize the i 😂

[@CRAPO2011]

Si meant top of the heap sporty in the us market , type r didnt even exist until 1996ish in japan only.

[@nicholasw.3488]

😂

[@radisnooker5]

Technically it means "sport injected" since the base models were still using carburetors at the time. Nowadays all cars use fuel injection but the name has still stuck around

[@christiansnyder7886]

I was looking for a new civic to replace my truck so I can actually save money while having a mortgage. I was just bored by the CVT and also the 158 or 180 hp option in the sedan. This checked the box with the manual, plus the extra horsepower and mod friendliness is all appealing to me. When I get bored later I can mod it and easily have 250 hp reliably. I don’t need 300 horsepower, it will be my daily kid toter too. Just waiting until my truck is payed off in February to sell and buy. I will lower my monthly payment by $350 and save almost $200 a month in gas.🤷‍♂️

[@michaelbaudouin9980]

Canadian version of the Si is based on the top Touring trim, meaning it has larger screen, heated seats and wheel, navi and all the goodies. US customers get an EX model platform for the Si.

[@TomFromMypace]

incorrect, we get everything except heated seats and wheel. And unless the Canadian trim has parking sensors etc, it's the same as the US otherwise. We have the larger screen, navi, bose etc. All Canadian trims come standard with heated seats and wheel, even the LX to my knowledge.

[@reidkarges6199]

Don’t forget the shift lights!!!

[@Bri86895]

@@TomFromMypace the Canadain trim dose in fact come with front and rear parking sensors also fog lights , mirror turn signals. As far as in the interior goes you get a full digital cluster heated front and rear seats plus steering wheel garage door opener wireless charging a pretty much touring spec trim

[@ryanb8736]

US model only gets half (left side) digital dash. Other countries get full digital. No shift lights, no heated wheel, and no heated seats.

[@ryanb8736]

Plus US Honda dealers are marking them up 5k.

[@ThaKenMan]

I feel that Honda dropped the ball with this one for the US market. My 2020 Si has heated seats, dual zone climate control and fog lights. It also has adjustable suspension tho that might not matter much once you swap out for coilovers. Tho the new fly wheel and rev matching is nice.

[@Veegs.]

I have an ‘18, i wouldn’t recommend replacing the suspension, the stock is really good esp w the dampening. If anything people should just replace the springs w shorter performance like eibach

[@ryanb8736]

Honda had to cutback on options to keep it under 30k.

[@masonmatuz6956]

is it more expensive in canada though?

[@blarghman332]

@@ryanb8736 it’s cheaper in Canada than in the US.

[@takoyakipapi]

Just wait for a dude in canada to wreck his si then snatch his part out ;)

[@frankcosta1932]

Doug, mechanic here, most modern cars have a g meter for the ABS system. They just programed it to show on the dash. It didn't cost extra in parts, just programming.

[@karlyan2617]

As an auto technician who likes to keep his car for a long time, this car is for me! Also you can probably get a tune to crank up the boost to get extra 10-15hp which is not bad😆👍

[@obeb787]

I think hondata is already tuning them to way more than that.

[@Deftonic101]

You guys should watch ososiik on KZbin. He tracked an si few bolt ons and a hondata tune. Professional race at driver Yoshihara-San drove it fairly mild on first lap and motor blew. Lol. One reason why I’m taking a double take on getting this si or not.

[@woydzeck2]

Good luck with the "sticky steering wheel" problem. There's even a class action lawsuit against Honda happening now.

[@Jojoge]

Hondata's dyno has actually clocked this in at 222 hp and 233 lbft stock, so Honda have just been dumbing the numbers down.

[@6rayum]

What would the purpose of dumbing down your own numbers be?

[@invertedpolarity6890]

@@6rayum A number of reasons. For example, in the 90’s Japanese car makers came to an unofficial agreement that they would not make sporty cars with more than about 280 hp because of safety concerns. In actuality, those cars typically had about 50 hp more than that. They knew it’s what people wanted but they also wanted to be seen to be concerned about safety.

[@tgenden1]

So they can make the upcoming Integra look better.

[@stevenwilliams9280]

Saw that. BMW is notorious for this as well. Personally I like when companies dilute down their horsepower numbers.

[@captainobvious5378]

Keep in mind different dynos would report different numbers

[@denverbax6329]

This car does look a million times better than mentioned alternatives though, for a few grand cheaper too. And still a bit of performance.

[@cobhamlondon]

Only OG fans will remember period when Doug sell signed photographs for a while. Such a cringe times.

[@rdavis787]

Whoa talk about flashback. I totally forgot about that.

Hey, some people bought em, and Doug bought a couple pizzas. He wins.

[@squidwardshouse67]

Lmao no way 🤣🤣🤣

[@Spongedart12]

I know that no navigation system sounds weird, but if this has Android Auto or Apple Car Play, is it really necessary? I don't think it's that bad, and honestly, maybe auto makers should move away from having proprietary nav systems, especially since most of us use our phones for nav anyway

[@richardwaltz7133]

Agree with that 100%

[@deniscdyck]

If Android Auto or Apple Car Play is connected it shows directions instead of the compass. Doug just showed pure ignorance about the car there.

[@HubbAeroplane]

@@deniscdyck Spot on. I had a 2019 Accord and it functioned this way as well (with Android Auto, anyway). It was actually better than any native navigation system I've had on my other cars.

[@g60corrado91]

Exactly. And in the situation where you’re in an area with no cell coverage, you just have to do your homework first and download the area you’ll be in before your trip. Ran into that in the Smokey Mountains a couple years ago after filling up with fuel. Both my phone and my buddies phone disconnected from Google Maps and we had to use the in car navigation. But other than that? CarPlay/Android Auto are superior.

[@ponti1000]

Personally, I very much prefer the navigation in my vehicle (F150) over using mobile phone. It just is a better system. That said, if I had my wife's vehicle (Tahoe), I would eagerly await the day the stop offering such a terrible feature. Mine is really nice, and hers is quite poor. Not my singular opinion, as she agrees.

[@Personlpp]

People who buy these love Hondas and enjoy driving to work each day.

[@johnw4067]

Back in 2006 I had a co-worker who got an Si coupe new. It was a genuinely nice car and Honda was ahead of the curve. This Si seems cheap in comparison. I am in Canada but am sure an Si would be close to $40K CDN right now if you could even find one.

[@alpe3784]

the 2006 SI is a masterpiece compared to this piece of shit tbh.The k20 is such a great engine,the 1.5t is gutless.

[@TheJamesLykins]

@@alpe3784 the 2005 Si should have had the K20a2 instead of a3

[@josephh374]

I still have my 08 civic SI.. the motor is solid @165k miles. It needs little to restore. I still love it.

[@nhabben1]

233k miles eighth gen is reporting in. Only thing killing it is winter salt

[@jessaphillips2846]

@@alpe3784 if I was going to get one it would be the 2012 era one that had the TSX 2.4 engine

[@sastrinidis]

2:33 it's a 1.5L 4 cylinder... I was very confused looking at the engine only having 4 cylinders and he said 5

[@JowoHD]

i got so excited for a millisecond when he said that

[@tac0majas0n]

Came looking for this comment lol

[@Andrew83194]

Doug was basically like "Oh I forgot. You guys are poor." 😂

[@stevemartegani]

Doug while you say this car doesn't have the "performance" to match its class of cars, the Si is currently the Autocross champ in its class (Versus the GTI and Focus ST at National level events). Reason being its light weight, good differential, great handling and the ability to adjust front camber.

[@deniscdyck]

Doug only looks at pointless spec numbers and not real life performance. Everyone that took this car to a track or canyon driving says it is amazing and far superior compared to wheel hopping competition that only is good on paper.

[@vastvexproductions]

I agree with you. But I think most people looking for a Civic will be taking it to the grocery store, not the autocross or a canyon.

[@paulziegler8505]

Hold it a minute- How many of you including Doug have driven this car for any length of time. I have and can say it is way more fun to drive than many of my previous rides- including a 2019 Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio with 505 HP, several Ford Mustang GT's of the 80's and early '90's, Z28 Camaros of the same era, a 2014 Porsche Cayman , and throw in a 1970 BMW 2002 and a 1972 Alfa Romeo GTV. This car for the money is as good as it gets. It steers, handles rides and hustles just fine. For the street it is the ideal little rocket. And the power output is well underrated by Honda. Hondata as well as others that have dyno'd these out of the showroom are getting 220- 230HP. But HP isn't the main thing, it is the broad torque band that saves the day. Where my Alfa Quad would spin the tires any time you pressed on the gas in race mode- it is fun for a few minutes until you realize you can't use the power on the street. With this gem you can play all day and feel like you are going fast, and you are going quickly, just not insane fast. This car is fun and I put it up there with my 1970 BMW and 1972 Alfa- that had 100 HP less! And what are two classics known in the sports car world- that '70 BMW and that '72 Alfa GTV. I considered spending the extra on the Elantra N but could not justify the extra $$ to have quicker 0-60 times and a few more amenities.

[@lesliemiros6743]

I also had a Honda Civic too and it was an excellent vehicle and it was excellent during my time doing ride share my gets almost 40 mpg and it was sporty too.

[@Wilsonever]

I can't agree more with you, just picked up mine weeks ago and I love every minute behind the wheel. Sure it's slower than its competition (GLI, elantra N), and also cars I have driven (M340i, C43, and RS3), heck it's even slower than my RAV4 v6 lol. Those cars are fast compared to the SI and very capable for sure, but in reality you can't even utilize maybe 5/10 of their potentials in 95% of situation, vs SI I have so much fun throwing it into a corner and come out the same corner with full throttle, all while maintaining legal speed with a grin on my face. The point is numbers do not draw the whole picture especially if you can't utilize and enjoy every ounce of it, and you also have to factor in other qualities that are not measurable (Excellent steering and shifter feel, broad power band and free revving engine).

[@paulziegler8505]

@@lesliemiros6743 Glad you agree. I am getting 38 MPG with mine.

[@Jordanmilo]

I’ve had my Si for about 5 weeks now. They’re pricier than the list price because of dealer markups. I drove a Jetta GLI with paddle shift a couple years ago and while the Honda is down on power it is a much much nicer feeling car than the VW-even our local Subaru dealer admits this is a nicer car than the WRX. I’m autocrossing mine and the tires stink but it was otherwise very satisfying to push hard. The Si is composed, refined, and when the warranty expires there won’t be any VW repair bills. Horsepower isn’t everything (though torque may be, and the Si is a low end torque beast).

[@matthewkang]

I like how Doug mentioned the MPG. I have a 2020 Si and drive it fairly hard and still get over 35mpg (with premium, which is recommended). The new WRX gets...21mpg combined...woof!

[@phrnando]

I agree, people forget that at heart the civic is always an economic, long lasting car first. The wrx might be sportier, but it's not a car you can daily (this is coming from a subie owner lol)

[@raver208]

AWD kills your fuel economy. Even in my '13 Impreza, largely unmodded except for a Borla axle back & K&N Filter, I struggle to achieve 25 mpg combined. My '10 Si has been Hondata-tuned to practically eliminate all fuel economy though.... saving the planet is not my Si's mission. Ha Ha.

[@jkim8282]

Nothing like being reminded that you drive an economy car when you are proud of the mpg.

[@JGomez1997]

That’s what people are missing, compared to the rivals this car has way better fuel economy. This is for people who want a funner commute to work while not breaking the bank. If I’m going to be paying sports car gas prices I’d rather go get a used V8 or V6 coupe then any of the cars in this segment.

[@futeditzs2482]

I really like this Honda Civic Si , it has an aggressive design without being exaggerated like the previous one.

[@Madblaster6]

I think the previous one had more spirit. I prefer the exaggerated design. Less boring car designs please. Cars are loosing character.

[@amanofculture9440]

@@Madblaster6 a car is a car. The person driving should be the one with a personality dawg :))

[@amanofculture9440]

Extra funny as I’m an engineer and the company I work for gave a Nissan Juke from 2011. Surprisingly advanced in technology considering the age of the car xD

[@timothycoyne5874]

I owned a 7th gen. Civic Si and loved it. It's still one of my favorite cars I've had. So I have a bit of a soft spot for the Si. I like the looks of the new Civic and Si, but I'm more disappointed by what the US market doesn't get than about the horsepower decrease. (Also, from what I've seen online most dyno reports are showing it's actually more than 200 hp.) I think Honda held back knowing some or most of the missing features will be included on the new Acura Integra, I'm sure in part to justify the higher price of that car. But I bet Honda will add some of those features to Si over the next few years. Still, I would consider buying a new Si if there were any around for sale, and there wasn't a ridiculous dealer markup attached.

[@Jac735]

Funny you mentioned I owned a 90 sedan Integra I had 200 horses originally but the guy before me did a GSR swap plus added some goodies and I was pushing 275 and I was beating these heavy sedan civics passed the 90s on the road because my car was very light and 90s were gems for these cars

[@Fc3Dee]

exactly, they will add those features in for the later model years just like they did for the 10th gen, i just hope they dont also increase the price. this is not a $28,500 car as it stands

[@tren133]

Most of the features I can do without, such as shift lights, navi (since AA or Carplay is way better anyway), or the single zone climate control. Heated seats/wheel is quite useful for colder climate folks though, and the lack of that is disappointing. At least offer a $500 cold weather package or something. But you're probably right they are holding back the power and features so the Integra doesn't flop on release. It is odd that the Type R is 300 plus hp, yet the Si continues to be 200 hp, and is decontented. Hopefully that means the Integra is like 240 hp with all the features, and priced in the WRX range.

[@wavyhomeboy]

Shame ill have to import one from canada with all the bells and whistles

[@tylerdowd]

Got my 2018 SI brand new off the truck in 2018 for 23k out the door. Crazy how the market is now. That 30k price range is very competitive

[@alxanderrodriguez460]

I'll keep my 18 civic Si. Bought it brand new with 7 miles. I haven't had to put a dime into it, other than maintenance. I just now replaced my factory tires last week at 4 years 62k miles. They took away heated seats, fog lights and dual climate control. next!! Lol I would love to go to Canada and buy a Canadian Si, they come with alot more bells and whistles. But if I did that, honda in the US wouldn't do warranty work on a Canadian Si that is daily driven

[@kevinnorris6558]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm only about a 8-10 hour drive from the Canadian border so I wonder how feasible it is to buy an Si up there and bring it back to America.

[@alxanderrodriguez460]

@Kevin Norris I 100 percent would, but Honda dealerships wouldn't warranty a Canadian Si that lives in the U.S. I live dead center of Wisconsin so it was tempting until I read in multiple places they wouldn't warranty it here

[@HarryTwatter]

they stripped it all out because they're putting it all in the Integra and making you pay a premium for the Acura name

[@megachonk9440]

@@kevinnorris6558 To import a car into the United States, I believe it has to be 25+ years old.

[@kaleidoscope8914]

Get ktuner, pherable tune, and a cold air intake(prl or map performance), and a poco shift knob. Makes it 15x better

[@jonmanuelreyes7588]

With gas priced at 1 million a gallon these days, now we realized Honda team came from the future.

[@roddydykes7053]

How many years have we been hearing: “one of the laaast manual transmissions!”

[@joshmacdonald6911]

Every third fucking video honestly

[@itcantrainallthetime9886]

This is so true

[@TheShootist]

@@joshmacdonald6911 what kind of cheese would you like with that?

[@volvo09]

I'm glad we keep hearing it though. I just wish I could get a full size truck with a manual.

[@Yukikazehalo]

I think this car is unique because it can *only* be bought with a manual.

[@Hmmmmmmnm]

When are they gonna put a V12 in a Civic - been waiting for years.

[@Moonlight-hq3gi]

rather need a v10 or v12 nsx

[@Moonlight-hq3gi]

and S2000

[@damilolaakanni]

Lol. They'd rather make the Civic electric than try to force a V12 under that hood.

[@Moonlight-hq3gi]

@Damilola Akanni what about a performance hybrid civic

[@Moonlight-hq3gi]

@Cekia Selmi ♋️ reported 🥰

[@brentG1222]

I used to have a 2012 Civic SI, it had 201 HP. It's downright embarrassing that a decade later the Civic SI is *DOWN* 1 HP.

[@jonp2338]

Agreed i had the 18 with 205 ! I tuned it and got 235/255 tq out of it but still underpowered!

[@LV426Survivor]

Yet no one bats an eye when the WRX has the same experience with HP gains or losses 🤡

[@realstreettuning5359]

Go check out hondatas actual dyno numbers😂it made 240 to the crank actually stock. Honda just puts those numbers to trick people

[@andremessado7659]

@@LV426Survivor Maybe because the WRX is actually fast?

[@LV426Survivor]

@@andremessado7659 ahahahahahaha

[@dionysus122]

$28k for a 200 hp Civic Si... blows my mind. I remember when the 300hp STi was first released in NA for $31k and everyone thought it was so expensive.

[@mattcampbell4504]

Agree

[@TheRyansLion]

Inflation

[@darrin3088]

Act like the sti now isn't a 40k car lol

[@megami215]

It’s not 28k it’s closer to 48k after the dealer is done with it

[@danielK7255]

Adjusted for inflation based on 90’s prices this car is roughly the same price . For example 14000.00 msrp of a civic SI in 1994 which in todays dollars is equal to 27,000.00. Considering the cost of everything today it’s a great car for a great price.

[@josefgordon7712]

The 5 cylinder slip up reminds me that I really want an RS3 still 😂

[@4WHEELBIKER]

Only a Honda enthusiast will get the significance of the subtle changes made to this Si. It's not about the horsepower but how that power is delivered. '80-'90's era CRX Si's and VW GTI's barely had over 100 horsepower but the driving "fun factor" they delivered was "off the charts". Honda knocked it out the park with this one !

[@ArthurZakaryan23]

For a pretty much $30K+ car (after taxes), it does feel pretty barebones in some of those interior areas that were pointed out. Sure, 200HP isn't great either for 2022 but I'll forgive the power figures more so than interior amenities. I don't care for a heated seat or steering wheel or a wireless charger. These are niceties for sure but none of those are a dealbreaker for me. Also someone buying this, there's a good chance they are a Honda enthusiast but may throw some bolt-on performance parts on it over time and no OEM has as much aftermarket support more than Honda's so there won't be any shortage of bolt-on parts for this car in a few months time to eek out a few more horses for not much money.

[@ArthurZakaryan23]

@The Insufferable Tool I don't doubt what you're saying, VW's especially with chip tunes are easy to extract power from, have for years but personally I wouldn't finance/buy a VW. We have one leased now but VW's aren't exactly known for their reliability after the warranty has expired and I wouldn't hold my breath that I'd be one of the lucky ones that would get a problem free example. Doug's Si complaints are valid and I'm not endorsing this car by any means but I can sort of understand why the Honda loyalists would still defend this over the obvious and arguably better competitors out there.

[@SupThomas]

Kinds crazy that my 2009 Si makes nearly the same horsepower

[@zachsmcl]

exactly this is really a hard sell. my friend got his 2018 type R for 38k and anyone looking for a 30k+ civic will probably pony up the extra bucks for the extra 100+ horsepower and better interior

[@alexc7864]

Almost every dyno test showed this Si was actually making 220hp.

[@bendino9016]

"no OEM has as much aftermarket support more than Honda". My gm LS based engine has something to say lol.

[@JDMEXforme]

Still. Sticking With my rare Lightweight 8200rpm EK Civic. Breaks necks all day. You can hear that Vtec coming from a mile away. And people at events and cars and coffee gather around to take pics and ask about modifications done to it. I haven't seen any new Si Civics getting crowds or pictures taken.

[@michaelr8401]

This might be the most analogue new car Doug has reviewed in the last year. Lots of people want cars with less interior power features and screen-based tech

[@HULK-HOGAN1]

It doesn’t have heated seats or dual zone climate lol. This car sucks.

[@jraheemjefcoat429]

Not even wireless charging or ambient lighting. Honda drops the ball with this one.

[@bolt5564]

What surprises me is the price. I don't need heated seats, wireless phone charging, or dual zone climate control, but if I'm not getting those I just like to be paying a little bit less. Right now a Golf GTI has over 20% more power and only costs about $1,000 more. I think if the Civic SI cost about $1,000 less or got the same features that the Canadian Civic SI gets, it would be a much better value.

[@pwd1134]

It's not the car. It's how expensive it is for it's feature set.

[@jraheemjefcoat429]

@@pwd1134 Exactly! The features just screams $23k car. Not $28-29k. As a consumer, it gives me more reasons to explore options. I even go Civic Touring and lose the manual in the SI, only because it's lacking feature content.

[@JippaJ]

Seems like a perfect tuners car. Cheap stuff and good cornering.

[@mickeymang6]

This engine won't last. Look at the lawsuit the Honda 1.5L turbo is going threw right now.

[@chicoh22a]

What are you talking about?? $30k is cheap?😂😂

[@megami215]

Good luck finding it under 50k

[@Cj_S2k]

I'm glad someone gets it.

[@kaleidoscope8914]

@@mickeymang6 had a 2017 si making 280whp, and 304lbt. Got it at 10k miles, and had it tuned since 13k miles. Drive it 50k miles hard with a cold air intake, and upgraded downpipe. Never had any issues besides a tire issue which was due to a pothole. Oil changes 5k miles, and driven hard. It’s reliable

[@joefunsmith]

My 2003 TL 3.2 (not type S) had 229 hp IIRC and had adequate horsepower whenever I needed it. And it weighed about 500 lbs more. Not everyone needs more than that. I think the availability of that power, handling, braking etc. are just as important. That 30 mpg is important too. I'm just as interested in that. I guess what I'm saying is, balance is a great thing in a car and it seems if you care about the performance side enough that a base Civic just doesn't quite do it for you, there's the Si.

[@Audiorevue]

I recently got a 2022 Honda civic but not the SI and I completely agree with the backseat being roomy. Out of all of its competitors and I have tried them all it has the roomiest backseat of any of them. I honestly don’t know how they do it but I’m so glad they do and I’m so glad I got it.

[@DoctorSkillz]

How many people you hauling back there?

[@spinneryourdinner]

Y'all acting like families don't exist lol

[@splewy]

For what it’s worth, the new Si made 225hp and 210lb-ft on Hondata’s hub dyno. The old one made 205hp and 226lb-ft on the same dyno. The new one responded way better to a tune as well.

[@micglou]

I find it hard to believe that the 2022 model 'takes a tune' better because it's basically the exact same engine... it's simply factory tuned to be a bit more fuel efficiënt.

[@DreOneil]

What's Funny is I just came from watching Doug review the SI

[@DreOneil]

Wrong vid, for some reason Doug's comment section was on WTF1s channel, and I can't edit the comment

[@jimmypena2442]

They reduced to torque for fuel efficiency is what I see. Same performance. I wouldn’t complain but I agree with the fan base who expected a leap in power.

[@splewy]

@@micglou The turbo is new and flows a little bit better. This allows the new Si to build horsepower and torque much more evenly when you turn up the boost. On the 10th Gen, turning up the boost would ramp up the torque at a much greater rate than the horsepower. A +6psi tune would get you around 230hp and 260lb-ft. Turning up past that didn’t really generate any more horsepower, just more torque. On the 11th gen, that same increase gives you around 250hp and 250lb-ft. That fairly even horsepower and torque increase continues as you get into more aggressive flex fuel tunes as well.

[@stms4411]

“…..you start to wonder if it’s that much cheaper…..”. Doug says this when discussing the absence of heated seats and steering wheel. That’s a value consideration for sure, but this is cheaper than it’s competitors. That’s factually the case. I think Doug has missed the point of this car. It’s quick enough and it handles quite well and it has an engaging demeanor about it. These are things that enthusiast drivers want. It also can carry people and things. I drove one and liked it quite a bit. I drove a veloster N also. It’s much much quicker but not as fun. If you want to drag race, don’t buy the Honda. If you want a mix of fun and practicality with really good value (as one considers the price of a new car is now 40k)…..don’t fail to consider this little Honda. Could be my next car.

[@Interceptor810]

I have the 2018 which cost $24k. The Gen 10 DID have heated seats, as well as fog lights, dual zone climate control and a sun roof. Im surprised they downgraded it though Ive heard claims that the new Si actually makes more hp than it claims I think that navigation compass works when you use Android Auto/Apple Carplay

[@victormartines1568]

In the next couple of years, this car is going to be riced out. 😂

[@ConsciousRobot]

I didn't like the new civic design at first, but seeing it in this color makes me like it quite a bit more. Looks awesome with the black wheels

[@jamjam-1418]

The selling point of this car is the manual transmission. Full stop. I’m surprised you didn’t comment on it because the shifter is reminiscent of old times. It’s not at the level of S2000, but I’d say it rivals the Type R feel and weight, if not surpasses it. My guess is there’s some type of supply shortage and Honda was forced to cut corners to push out more cars. But I am often wrong, and Honda has proven themselves capable of cheaping out where possible.

[@jimjimhuerta]

Going from Si to type r, I’d say they wanted something that’s quick but not going have to crash. I will say Honda is probably not doing much bc they know people will just do bolt ons

[@cyjan3k823]

I have no idea why this "selling point" would actually sell a cars in USA. People who have money want autmoatic, Thats why everyone stops making Manuals. Enthusiast looking for fast car wont buy 200hp for those money, people looking for a New car would prefer better interior. I would like Honda to thrive but I dont belive that manual is good call. Maybe neccesary one but not good.

[@afcgeo882]

Still not as good as a GTI manual though.

[@dnel6494]

This was always the car I considered perfect for my 16 yr old, fairly sporty, forgiving and reliable at a price point I can afford. Or in other words, a good daily beater for those long commutes into an major urban center.

[@BuddhaRice]

A brand new turbo car for your 16 year old is great if you can afford the insurance that goes with it

[@Szcza04]

Buy him A 2002 civic and save your money

[@Emm2004]

I would never give my 16 yr old back seats! Accidents happen

[@12gauge_shawtyy]

@@Emm2004 yea exactly 😭 buy him a miata

[@bipbop3121]

At 28k, only rich teens, students can afford it

[@RogueSheep777]

Didn't mention the standard sunroof or Bose stereo system. Not everybody expects the power of a Ford GT, but for the money, it's a nice put together package.

[@d3ar]

If I had the money, I’d rather get the Civic Hatchback Touring. It actually has a 6-speed Manual as an option with no additional cost (as far as I heard). Sure it’s got 20HP less but atleast I get heated seats, full digital gauges and USB ports on the back.

[@mellopelas2857]

Just turbo the civic hatch and bam you’ll make more power

[@neovenom9833]

@@mellopelas2857 it's the same engine, just a different tune.

[@charleetuner]

Perhaps Honda was thinking since the Civic has such huge aftermarket support that they didn't need to increase the power or add some of the "normal" features on most other cars. Idk

[@damilolaakanni]

Or because there's another sports sedan/hot hatch from Acura coming with the same engine and probably more power.

[@ryanb8736]

These will need a clutch upgrade. It’s paper thin.

[@noahmatthew6658]

My dad had the last gen si. It was a very fun car to learn a stick shift in. I learned how to drive like Paul walker and a stick shift in it so it will always be special to me. It took turns so well it would scare my friends

[@wbwayne8887]

Absolutely shocked that Doug gave the handling of the Si only a score of 5. However, after looking further at his other Civic trim level scores, he only gave the standard Civic a 3 and even the Type R, only a 6. Something doesn't add up when every other reviewer always ranks all Civic model's handling top of their respective class. Handling has always been the Civic's forte. (No pun intended )

[@ryanlittleton5615]

He's comparing it to every other car he's reviewed. Literally.

[@garytryan]

You're taking him too seriously. He just gives out random numbers. None of it makes sense. I think he's drunk half the time.

[@wbwayne8887]

@@garytryan Now that's funny. 😂

[@xyeahtony1]

he owns a carerra GT. i mean honestly what could possibly measure up to that when that's your scale haha.

[@wbwayne8887]

@xyeahtony1 You mean the Carerra GT that has been known for some VERY scary handling characteristics over the years, and the car that killed Paul Walker? That Carerra GT? 🤷‍♂️

[@Tony_Fortin]

The Canadian version of the Civic Si (even the previous generation) gets front AND rear heated seats, and an heated steering wheel

[@fosteravery4345]

in Canada, we get all the heated options including the rear seats. rear power port, dual zone climate, full digital display, and built in navigation. the American market was essentially dissed by honda. that is all in a si base as well, pretty sure all si's are built that way here

[@InsaneBimmer]

10 years ago I bought a new 2012 Si sedan. 200hp. Here we are in 2022 with... 200hp. the 8th and 9th gens with the K20 and K24 were fun and revved to the moon. Now the SI has this tiny, rev hangy, miniscule, lifeless dish of crap. Not to mention for the money you could fool me into thinking it was an LX. Honda phoned the Si in again. Crap v2.0

[@ethanwilliams2951]

Hey that’s funny, my car is a 2012 Si sedan. Can’t believe it’s ten years old, and has the same power as the current one.

[@JohnIvoryMusic]

It’s not fast enough for you? Lol where are you racing to in this daily driver? Work?

[@FD-rh6tr]

Do you still have it??

[@thrillhouse8787]

The more I learn about this car, the more it reminds me of my 2006 TSX 6MT-right down the shifter!

[@TheUsername55555100]

Beautiful car, what color is yours?

[@robertvermouth193]

I like it because it is a Honda and a manual. Having an affordable, reliable manual is worth more to me than any other the other stuff including more power.

[@brokentradgedy]

I bought my 19 Si for 22K OTD and I have tons more features than this Si has....imagine paying 35K +Taxes after markups lmao

[@jimmypena2442]

BuT tHaT YeAr LoOkS sO ImMatUrE Thats the same people who say they wont pay for the integra with a hatch because the “si is the same”.

[@CRAPO2011]

22k is a deal ,30k im like damn that used to be accord touring territory.

[@HotHatchHero]

@@jimmypena2442 Reading your comment made me think they probably stripped the features from the civic si to further differentiate it from the integra. Albeit, Acura’s interiors aren’t that spectacular so I wouldn’t bank on a luxury version of the civic si when it comes out.

[@andreww1212]

@@jimmypena2442 Lmao this new one looks worse and has less features. It's like a Jetta from 2006. Honda is a joke.

[@fleghel]

When the Si badge means as much the AMG and M ones… What times we live in…

[@carsandcrows9921]

Doug shares DNA with Jay Leno - the resemblance is uncanny

[@sergeyg436]

It doesn't shift the gears, but it revs for you. So funny :)

[@myd4980]

I really don't understand why the US gets an Si like this since the Canadian Si gets all performance upgrades on top of a fully loaded Civic and the US model is kinda stripped out.

[@ryanb8736]

Inflation in US forced them to cut back on options. Sad to hear it’s factory clutch is paper thin too.

[@tano1236]

Honda wants the interga to be better since it’s already based on the SI

[@nicholassmith7048]

The Civic is super popular in Canada so Honda determined Canadians are willing to pay a bit more for the Si so they based it off the touring trim's equipment level. Compact sedans are less popular is the US so Honda determined Americans aren't willing to pay as much for the Si so they gave it a bit less equipment and a lower price. However, if you convert the Canadian Si into US dollars, at the current conversion rate the Canadian Si is less expensive.

[@MrKevinWhite]

Canada has always gotten higher spec Civics because they sell really well here. We even had the Canada-exclusive Acura EL / CSX for awhile before the ILX came out.

[@deniscdyck]

In addition to the Civic selling way better here in Canada compared to the US the Si here is positioned as the top trim while in the US the Touring is the top trim.

[@BahhJustaLamb]

I would agree with Doug about the pricing being "not THAT much cheaper" ... Until you factor in a $649 Ktuner that can immediately add 50WHP to it.

[@pearldrums92]

I believe the 2006-2011 Si was the last great civic model. The K20 was such an unbelievably reliable, angry and powerful base for what could be anything you wanted. It’s really been downhill since. Just my .02

[@benedictl6716]

The 10th gen had really good handing for it's class, but like everything, that too was downgraded in this new gen

[@ricanredliner]

I miss my 07 Si. It was a blast to drive and loved hearing that K20 scream

[@DB-mq4so]

@@benedictl6716 11th gen has improved handling over 10th. Has a lot of 10th gen Type R suspension parts

[@SacTwnNate]

Doug, surprised that you missed the "matte finish" on the Si wheels (different from normal Sport models ^_^). Also, would have loved to see you take it through some corners where it excels, not only on the highway where it doesn't. Proud owner of a black one, and you might have also mentioned the inescapable mark-up on these from a value standpoint. Overall, nice review!

[@kamX-rz4uy]

He usually drives the cars more than what he shows. When recording he limits himself to more pedestrian roads and areas.

[@DougDeMuro]

I had the car for over a week and drove it in all kinds of circumstances, including curvy back roads. It does handle great! Unfortunately, I can't film every minute I have with the car, so my driving review is sort of a summary of my experiences over a week.

[@ryandevlin3057]

Marked up to a price where I can buy any car that is 10x better than a civic

[@RubbishFPS]

@@ryandevlin3057 The problem is they arent better than a Honda in general and dont hold value nearly as well.

[@artistnyc123]

For someone who's springing to step up from a normal Civic I'm sure they would find this quite fast and sporty. I think the problem with Doug is he's just been in too many supercars and it's very difficult for him to give real reviews on these lower-priced models. I saw another reviewer who actually bought the car for himself and the entire video is him being absolutely giddy and in love with this car over his BMW M-series, so it's all a matter of perspective.

[@rayrice2553]

Haha yeah that was Tedward I saw that one too. For anyone who is used to a standard compact car this is fast.

[@YoPierrrr]

Tbh I had a 10th Gen 1.5T for 5 years and when I did a take home test drive on the 10th Gen Si I was really underwhelmed. I’m a Honda guy at heart but I definitely didn’t want to trade in and get another civic unless it’s a type R

[@DailyDriver.]

I love how low key it is. I wish they did one with WRX power levels and the type r made even more. This looks so much better than WRX and I’m def a WRX and STI fan and even owned a 17 STI but this is just a clean nice daily. I like this more than mk8 gti. I wish the civic hatch wasn’t hideous tho :(

[@JeffManseau]

This would've been a very impressive car in 2005. I mean a 200hp turbo Civic with no automatic option? For that I give it all my love.

[@Mayor-McCheese]

The si has never been offered in automatic

[@anasevi9456]

Holy heck, 17 years later Honda created my long time dream.... a 4 door 2005 Hyundai Tiburon complete with the _seats_ . lol

[@Brandon-sw2pk]

The tail lights on the trunk are very similar to the ones on newer volkswagen models. The levers to fold down the rear seats is also similar to to the ones that VW uses.

[@rozovayapantera759]

В моей Honda Civic 4d 8 gen точно такие же рычаги складывания сидений

[@rushmatic]

I wanted to buy this but now I’m not so sure. My 2008 Civic Si was similarly equipped (same horsepower, no fogs, no dual zone climate control, etc.) but the MSRP when I bought it new was $19k. $28k now seems steeper than it needs to be.

[@gamecubeable]

19k in 2008 is about 26k today

[@curt2233]

Check out the Forte Gt it’s quicker stock for stock, multi link suspension, dual exhaust that sounds amazing with cold start and much more

[@nickval5962]

When i bought my 23' Si I was cross-shopping with the Corolla SE M/T and the Sentra SR Turbo M/T. This car slots perfectly between those and cars like the GTI and WRX

[@stoneyj1a1]

Has Doug done a video of the 90s Dodge Dynasty? I'd like to see it. Wow I can't believe how big the Civic has become. It looks like an Accord

[@DrZoomer]

I was between this car and Elantra N Line, and after running down the list, the superior driving experience of the SI honestly was not enough to sway me, especially for a lower price. The interior features and exterior styling of the N Line, with a similar level of fun behind the wheel made me turn towards it rather than this Civic SI. Will be interesting to see sales figures of this versus the Elantra N Line, as they are probably the two closest competitors on the market now.

[@HarryTwatter]

the Forte GT is better than both. While the GLI costs a bit more and outclasses them all

[@RubbishFPS]

I wouldnt spend my actual money on any other brand than Honda to begin with. Good luck with your Hyundai lol

[@DrZoomer]

@@RubbishFPS I understand. Been good so far with 20k miles

[@DB-mq4so]

@@DrZoomer They already have a ton of recalls on the N cars. The biggest being the transmission. If this is your first Hyundai, you will find out. The 100k warranty is trash too, they deny EVERYTHING.

[@senpaigarr]

I like the look of this new Civic Si. I also find it interesting that trim levels can be fairly different between Canada and the US. The Si in the Canadian market has heated seats, heated steering wheel, moon roof, wireless charge pad, power windows, and charge ports in the back seat.

[@LV426Survivor]

Is it really that mystifying to doug that people who buy these want a sporty, reliable, trouble free useable sedan without paying too too much. People know that its going to be reliable far and above the other brands mentioned and that has carried Honda and Toyota for years and will continue. It's amazing that this is simply too much for Doug to grasp.

[@AlOne-hf8dy]

Plus it’s evident from all his reviews that Doug is no canyon carver or auto cross driver. He likes speed in a straight line which is why he’s baffled by this car.

[@michaeleaster1815]

21:15 I think this analysis ("who is the buyer?") is really strong... thanks for the video! Fun-fact: my daily driver is a 2005 Honda Civic Si. 165 HP when new, and, incredibly, not that far off from this model.

[@jessetaylor4876]

Doug: "Civics go back to the mid 1980's" 1974 Civic RS: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@ulisesgil4209]

would have been nice to see them bring back the coupe body style for this car, especially since the rear seats have been simplified so much

[@LearnAboutFlow]

I think Doug missed the point of the Si, although he did sort of mention it in passing. The point is not the high horsepower but the handling. This is supposed to be like a canyon carver that is a blast to drive, like my 1989 Si hatch was with 108 horsepower. Yes, Honda is decontenting in an insulting way (although funny they put in a rear armrest which costs extra money to make), but the point is handling over hp. Now if this car handles more like a 'sporty' sedan, that is a totally different story.

[@weirdshibainu]

I'd rather have a slow car I can drive fast, then a fast car I have to drive slow-especially with a manual.

[@jamesinson3488]

I just bought one of these (2023) and I LOVE it! However this is probably one of the most fair, accurate and unbiased reviews I've seen so far. However, for under $2000, and minimal effort, you can make this car as powerful as the others mentioned (without voiding your warranty), and for a little more $$ you can make the Si a legit "Sports" car that will smoke those others, and still be right around (or under) the price point of the others. I think most ppl buying one of these have everything I just mentioned in mind before purchasing it. Stock Civic Si's usually don't stay stock for long. Plus the residual value of a Honda is unmatched, especially for the Si - so good you can almost consider it an investment (I said almost lol)

[@willmtaylor]

Doug, your speculation about the target customer sounds great UNTIL you realize that THOSE folks probably don't know how to use 3 pedals--they're gonna be tempted to "upgrade" to the SI, see it has a stick, and either downgrade or go across the street.

[@jamesgunnyreed]

I had a 2008 4 door CivicSI and it was an awesome car. That was before the Mustang had big HP. With the redline at 8500 I was able to whip up on early 2000"s Mustang GT's stop light to stop light. My Dad (80 yrs old) still daily drives his 2002 Civic SI. I was really hoping the new SI would get the old TypeR powerplant. Similar to how in 2007 the CivicSI got the engine from the S2000... But the Type R wasn't offered in America for many years... People that used to buy the SI will now be buying the TypeR. Instead of the SI being the high performance Honda in America it now makes up a different segment. Which is SAD! Also remember that Honda performance people and Civic lovers will undoubtedly be going with aftermarket turbo's and everything they can get their hands on. Just like they have since the 90's. Im sure that the engine is cabable of handling much more boost than the stock turbo puts out. Back in 2008 when I had my Civic SI sedan, it was capable of handling up to 14 lbs of boost safely. All forged internals, programable fuel system etc. straight from the factory. Im sure this is no exception. Honda will make tons of $$$$ from the aftermarket stuff they are involved in. BUT this Civic SI is a big let down. all the way around. Much like the 2002 was...

[@accordinglyryan]

No Honda besides the S2000 has had the S2000 engine (F20C/F22C). The 8th gen Civic had the K20. But I agree, the fact it has the exact same engine from the regular Civic is kinda wack.

[@jamesgunnyreed]

@@accordinglyryan I had to look that up. All these years I thought it was the S2000 motor. A young "tuner" kid told me that soon after I bought it and I just believed it all these years. I was never into the tuner thing. I was 35 at the time and just needed an affordable daily driver. It seemed like a fun little car. After I bought it I had young kids coming up to me and asking questions and telling me all sorts of stuff I should do to it. I had no idea the following the SI had. Lol.

[@amanhashmi2221]

In Canada this civic does get the heated seats, wheel, & witeless charger

[@benitodeluna970]

Actually, Honda underrated the horsepower on this model , this car’s horsepower is about 225 to 230. I have a 2022 Honda Civic SI and it dyno’d at 228 hp with no modifications at all, exactly the way I purchased it from the dealership !

[@terrancemoore496]

Well keep in mind that they have the Honda Civic Type R for more power.

[@T512X]

Damn Doug really did hit the nail on the head with the Si buyers. I 100% could not afford the Type R. But my 2020 Civic Si is lookin real good compared to this model right about now.

[@mze7101]

With supply shortage, 12th gen CTR markup will be ugly....probably 8k to 10k easy :(

[@deniscdyck]

Do yourself a favour and test drive it before making a decision. The 0-60 figure is pointless as the Si focuses on real life fun and needs an extra gear change before 60.

[@T512X]

@@deniscdyck Bro who you talking to? My 2020s been bought.

[@deniscdyck]

@T512X I thought that because you mentioned that you can't afford a Type-R and that your current Si is looking good compared to the 2022 model that you were in the market to maybe buying one. My bad!

[@T512X]

@@deniscdyck You're good man, no I love my car. I didn't even know how to drive stick when I bought it, so my test drive was less than steller. But I wasn't new to the Honda game, not that much of a gamble.

[@justindasilva73]

Failed to note it comes with a 12 speaker Bose system

[@Violets4eva]

My 2012 civic si has the same specs and was considered underpowered back then. Honda really needs to up their game.

[@ethanwilliams2951]

Hey I have a 2012 Si too

[@robertperillo8738]

I honestly think Honda did the right thing not giving it too much power. It isn’t going to light the world on fire. No one complains Miata’s are underpowered. It’s about the experience

[@KTH96]

The Si has never been a fast car. Its has always been a reasonable daily driver with bits of performance sprinkled in.

[@joshjlmgproductions3313]

@@robertperillo8738 To be fair, compared to the new Civic SI, a Miata is only 81% of the weight while having more than 90% of the power.

[@robertperillo8738]

@@joshjlmgproductions3313 well to be fair... it also holds 50% of the people