The Starmer-Scholz bromance: what does Labour want out of Germany?

[@karlarcher8773]

It isn't irregular migration, it is illegal or unlawful migration.

[@charlesbeltington-smythe9229]

Careful Karla, you don't want a visit by The Ministry of Truth.

[@jackh7714]

It isn’t illegal migration until a court rules the migrant has no legitimate claim to asylum, or unless the migrant doesn’t claim the right to asylum when they arrive.

[@karlarcher8773]

@@jackh7714 so if I'm robbed, but no-one is taken to Court it isn't illegal.

[@MK-to4et]

​@@jackh7714 If enter the UK at its border without the legal documents and authority it is by definition, and the law, Illegal. Even if you claim asylum you have still commited a crime entering the country without authority ..

[@jackh7714]

@@karlarcher8773 I think you’ve misunderstood the difference between property law and asylum law. I’m not making an argument for or against the morality of asylum law, but just outlining the legal reality.

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

To be honest, this was the way that I always saw Brexit being effectively neutralised - a series of backroom deals over a long period time.

[@Anri6547]

@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat what did u guys sell? Fresh turd from the river? 😂😂

[@LordoftheSith]

@@Anri6547no that was Remain shite

[@samhartford8677]

Don't worry. We in the EU are not interested in dishing out membership benefits without the obligations to countries outside the EU. Starmer is on a PR tour trying to promote the UK and its skills and companies or at least that's what this trip will End up achieving.

[@georgethompson453]

Starmer is boxed in as the Europe of 2024 isn’t the Europe of 2016. Shultz is unpopular and Germany is moving to the right, Macron is completely snookered as is the French Parliament, Italy has Melony and in Hungary there a lot of pro Putin sentiment. Things don’t look like moving in a leftward direction so who does Starmer build his bridges with?

[@Knappa22]

He’s building bridges with those countries. Do you think it’s all about the leaders and their fates? During these talks our senior diplomats and civil servants will be in strategic discussions with theirs. Labour is full of europhiles and this has all been planned. They will act briskly and with purpose unlike the dithering Tories. Agree with them or not, Labour usually act decisively when they get into power

[@vasilispatsalidis5683]

@@georgethompson453 With the Cabal offcourse.

[@leehallam9365]

Free movement for under 30s is not about young people learning languages. It is about young British people from well off back grounds having short spells working in Europe and much larger numbers of young Europeans from areas of very high youth employment coming to work here competing with working class people for jobs and housing. It's the same problem as free movement had it benefits Europe and the children of Upper middle class people at the expense poorer people here. The problem with Errasmus is the cost and that it is controlled by the EU who have a habit of using it as leverage, ask the Swiss. Its also another perk for the wealthy at the expense of the rest, because its their kids who use it.

[@tudormiller887]

Yep! He said he didn't want the UK to Rejoin the EU, but by hook or by crook he'll do exactly that. #NeverTrustACommie 🇬🇧🇪🇺🇩🇪

[@sp4263]

You'll be bloody lucky if you do. EU's sick of the UK after your whining for so long 😂

[@tudormiller887]

@@sp4263 Yep. We'll probably have to replace the 🇬🇧£ with the 🇪🇺€ anyway. That will create civil unrest amongst the Brexit voters.

[@advocate1563]

Germany's disintegrating at speed. He's pivoting in the wrong direction. Starmer is such a plank - wooden in all senses

[@samhartford8677]

Dear child, you are hilarious. When you grow up, you should look into the benefits of further education. It really helps with thinking.

[@Harry-tb8yo]

Writing such comments happens when a plank believes it is smart.

[@Bungle-UK]

Are we going to take their Islamists in return?

[@charlesbeltington-smythe9229]

That's like asking whether Scotland will import more Haggis from Germany. We have plenty.

[@samhartford8677]

No, they come on their own.

[@jacobcohen9205]

What annoys me most about our dear leader is that he thinks we're too stupid to get what he's doing. To be clear, that would be selling out the British people.

[@Knappa22]

I don’t think he thinks that. He’s being pretty open, even brazen, and riling up the gammons.

[@jacobcohen9205]

@@Knappa22 He is a Gammon, mate. With a massive landslide of 20% of the eligible electorate's support, he is brazenly doing what most British people never voted for. Democracy is dead in the UK. He's got five years to turn our country into an irrelevant third-world economic and cultural basket case. I think he'll manage it in three.

[@samhartford8677]

What annoys me the most about people like you and Starmer is that you both think that there are goodies to be gotten out of the EU. You left. Membership benefits are for us members.

[@jacobcohen9205]

@@samhartford8677 hey, Sami, please remind me how the UK benefited from its previous EU membership. I can't think of anything other than the pet passports. Our EU-loving Dear Leader could be grateful enough to grovel to Brussels and get that reinstated as it is for other non-EU members in the rest of Europe. Nothing this creep does would surprise me now. For the record, I am happy with the present Free trade arrangements, including so-called 'free movement', etc. Queueing for a few minutes at passport control is a small price to pay for returning to being an independent, self-governing sovereign nation again, something no EU member is. I remind you that was the single most crucial thing we voted to leave your corrupt, authoritarian, undemocratic organisation for. The EU! You're welcome to it. Bon Chance

[@sp4263]

The people who sold UK out were Boris n the Bonkers Brexit Boys !!

[@robinfox6088]

Illegal migration

[@vasilispatsalidis5683]

Quiz : Who is more disgusting Scholz or Starmer.? If you get it right you win a holiday in Kursk.

[@jdg9999]

Deploy them both to the front lines for "as long as it takes"

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Scholz is actually the most despised politician in Germany - along with his party..! Why Starmer is signing any deals with him is a complete mystery.. He wont be there by the end of this year.!

[@samhartford8677]

I heard Kursk is open only to Ukrainian visitors.

[@vasilispatsalidis5683]

@@jdg9999 With their families or solo.?

[@fredo1070]

Germany the birthplace of Communism and Nazism, Two Tier Keir wants some inspiration.

[@mediastudiesnetwork]

Fascinating and useful discussion. Thank you spectator.

[@bfab7036]

Youth mobility is age discrimination.

[@Trebor74]

The British public did vote for a "reset",they voted leave.

[@markhutton6055]

Ditch the Fhurer Starmer now!

[@charlesbeltington-smythe9229]

OMG, that's Führerphobic, you Führerphobe. EXPECT A KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR FROM STARMER'S STASI!!

[@davidjackson5449]

I thought we voted to leave the Eu in the biggest democratic vote in Uk history!

[@emceaboom]

Yup. And we did. And everyone's poorer. And 3rd world immigration has doubled.

[@Knappa22]

@emceaboom Exactly. We sent all the european (white and Catholic) Polish and Romanians packing. And now we have unimpeded immigration from all over the world because (now that the Dublin agreement has been scrapped) the French have no obligation or inclination to police the channel. Well done brexiteers 😁😁

[@flyingsunbeds909]

Irregular immigration? Wot dat?

[@PrinceZ2510]

Wouldn’t it be better to seek these academic deals with the US over Europe, they have the highest rated unis and adhere more to the values of the west (liberty, capitalism, freedom of speech)

[@LucienCanon]

Keir Starsi

[@charlesbeltington-smythe9229]

Germany: We will detroy the rights of the common man and usher in a Socialist Utopia. Starma: HOLD MY BEER!!

[@frankschmidt5932]

Awfull.

[@brianearp5234]

The last UK Prime Minister to get on with a German Chancellor was Chamberlin. That went well didn’t it?

[@Knappa22]

The last British Prime Ministers to get on with German Chancellors were: Heath - Brandt Major - Kohl Blair - Schroeder Blair/Brown - Merkel Cameron - Merkel (even if Cameron pretended not to in order to appease gammons) So I’m afraid your comparison rather falls flat.

[@cliffbateman6324]

Isn't the question what does Germany want from the UK?

[@jaaguitar]

They're giving him access to the Stasi's files for his Thought Police stage 2.

[@mindblast3901]

Starmer Traitor tooUK

[@frankschmidt5932]

Scholz is ours

[@vasilispatsalidis5683]

@@frankschmidt5932 You can keep them both, nobody in the whole wide world wants to have anything to do with those two.

[@Luke-mr4ew]

04:14 Growth, Energy Security, Migration controls... Absolutely none of this will be made _harder_ by aligning with the EU

[@thomasbentele2468]

Who could imagine, its the British warriors in Ukraine, that calm down the outrage of the EU over Brexit.

[@YyDd-p5v]

starmer schultz rekindling the alliance with haj amin al husseini and his descendants what could go wrong

[@ancietman]

Germany pull the EU strings Starmer just taking his first steps today getting Britain back in the EU or closely aligned.

[@Knappa22]

Yep. Should never have left should we.

[@paulchambers6537]

@@Knappa22 It was a simple vote yes or no.Get over it.

[@Knappa22]

@@paulchambers6537 oh I have. It’s gammons who keep whining about it four years after we left, refusing to accept what a disaster it was, and claiming ‘it wasn’t done properly’.

[@paulchambers6537]

Can we have another general election now

[@pauldavis3460]

On defence cooperation. We would have no problem deepening ties with Germany. But France will always block it.

[@johnsmithers5044]

Keep away from Germany when making decisions about the defence of Europe.They are pacifists who are seeking gullible partners that will defend them.They also block any sales of armaments that are developed with other partners leaving them fuming in disbelief.Go with eastern Europe and France until Germany grows up.

[@hezkyden]

Both James Heale and Katy Balls should try to avoid the vocal 'tic' of using the adjectival/adverbial phases, 'kind of' and 'sort of' before a verb or noun or noun phrase, as in my made-up example, ' They could sort of discuss everything from kind of closer cooperation to sort of trade sanctions'.

[@chrisb3967]

Scholz will be gone in c.1yrs time..... As for Starker...?

[@homayounshirazi9550]

Britain is so totally an American satellite state that any future plan with EU members depends on Washington's approval. This US PERMISSION will never come, just as destruction of NordStream pipeline was not a matter for Germany to decide.

[@tonysherwood9619]

US quisling virtue fest!

[@fanfeck2844]

We’re going back in😂😂

[@LordoftheSith]

Through the back passage, very messy!

[@MegaParrotMan]

Legal migrants have skills weneed or enough resources to look after themselves, they are not supposed to be a burden or compete with British low pay workers.

[@johnbuchan4664]

Re-entry

[@LordoftheSith]

Without any lube

[@BuffaloSoldier1965.]

Funny; Jeremy Corbin's view of Europe has always been an inconvenient reality for labour. Give that many of the labour youth-base support Corbin in other spheres, I wonder how they will view closer alliance with Europe.

[@Knappa22]

I’d say very little. Corbyn’s euro scepticism is rather vestigial - part of the Tony Benn era legacy. Youth devotees of Corbyn’s don’t adhere to him on those grounds.