The state of gun violence in the US, explained in 18 charts

[@Vox]

Every year, America continues to experience levels of gun violence unrivaled in the rest of the developed world. Read our full explainer on Vox.com for the stats and sources that illustrate the scope of gun ownership and gun violence in the US: bit.ly/2odFYVK

[@freedom1496]

So far 14,000 homicides in Mexico this year. Why , because people have no guns to protect themselves!!! Where is the chart on that!!!

[@handavid6421]

Why is my country not on 2:23 ? Korea has the most suicides in the world and also is in g20

[@handavid6421]

And has zero weapon suicides

[@glossygloss472]

FREEDOM 1 first off, we’re discussing developed nations.. this does not include Mexico. Also, Mexico has issues with the cartel. America doesn’t have this problem.

[@terrypennington2519]

@Dusk Patriot *Cries in Detroit*

[@tachi1034]

when you don't include that 80% homicide under drug related circumstances.

[@toaster7239]

tachi you watched the crowder video to?

[@tachi1034]

Logan Gwin I know it from relatives in PF and chatter within the chans.

[@MrRyanyantz]

lol you're clearly an invested researcher on the topic when you spell it homosides

[@tachi1034]

just one word is it for mocking others to shut them down?

[@bastianandersson4168]

Ryan Yantz lol i dont have any real opposing point to be made against the argument so im gonna call out their grammar! ha! score! *please read in the tone of voice of a degenerate beavis and butthead style character*

[@kingkasper4950]

Solid video, but the fact that you left Japan off the suicide chart worries me that ur data is cherry picked :-/

[@Vox]

+King Kasper Hi there - thanks for this note. It's always tough to decide which countries to include, so we simply used the top 10 countries on the UN's Human Development Index. hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI

[@CXS1181]

+King Kasper Did u watch and listen to the video brah? 2:07 if u wanna hear it for urself

[@jamakasis18]

+King Kasper Solid comment, but the fact that you cherry picked such a non-essential "data point" to get worried about, that you are biased :-/

[@beyondtheclouds95]

+King Kasper totally agree. Just visited the UN Human Development Reports and it shows that Japan is at 26.9 suicides and S.Korea is at 41.7 while the US sits at 19.4. (All data regarding deaths per 100,000 males in 2015). Looking at this data, I'm unsure on Vox's argument implying that less guns will mean less suicides, since there are so many other easy ways to take your own life in a developed country. (S.Korea & Japan have extremely strict gun control and civilians have no access to guns) I personally think it would be much more difficult to use a gun vs. overdose on over-the-counter drugs, jump, etc... But then again that's just my opinion; you would need more data and research to make any good conclusion.

[@Falkenschwinge]

Quit whining for gods sake. Think about the video. Does it make the problem less worse when you compare it to more Countrys? Or do you just want to point the finger at them saying: "We have no Problem. Other Countrys are not better." USA. You Have a huge Problem. Admit it, Fight it, End the Killing!

[@Matthew-fe7cm]

Jesus why is the burglary rate in the Netherlands so high?

[@thepincushionman7063]

Matthew North because they took the guns from the innocent!

[@maibhassin]

In Netherlands almost every one use bicycles for traveling within the cities and due to that there are lots of bicycles and due to that there are lots of bicycle thieves. And ignore Jason D comment he thinks guns can solve anything and without guns human race can't survive but in reality its otherwise.

[@Lawkeeper12]

What guns? Guns in the Netherlands have always been in the hands of the military, trained militias (centuries ago) and a few underworld figures

[@Lawkeeper12]

But I just fed a troll, I think

[@emperoralvis6559]

Because they don't have guns to defend themselves.

[@natemullen678]

Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the United States. I'll leave it at that...

[@of_the_void_and_stars]

And is right next to Indiana

[@swamp1634]

@Tovah Gladstone your point?

[@MrInvisibleJ]

@@swamp1634 look up indiana gun laws. While it does require a license to carry a handgun, there is little to nothing required to purchase one. You can have as many laws against something as you want, if it's easy to get and plentiful in the next town over, people will get it.

[@greatehien1398]

chicago also has one other the most dangeours gamgs in USA explain that then

[@MrInvisibleJ]

@@greatehien1398 over policing of minorities makes it so, after being convicted of a felony, they can't get a job anywhere and need to make money in illegal ways.

[@KETimiko]

I live in a country with one of the strictest gun laws in the world. I was depressed for 6 years of my life and survived two suicide attempts. Had I lived in America, with that ease to obtain a firearm, I would not be sitting here telling you about it.

[@KETimiko]

Mikey Hagan, Jr. You have a nice day too. :)

[@saggyai7950]

+KETimiko nice comeback bro

[@KETimiko]

Komix Blasty "Kill them with kindness" is my motto. Thank you. *takes hat of and bows*

[@jameswest6761]

Well, if you learned to tie a knot properly you would be here either. I have depression too, doesn't mean I should blame people who have te right to self defence.

[@jameswest6761]

Are you going to actually come up with a point or are you just going to continue to fail at being a troll?

[@Alex.grismore]

Yep. Add another law. The criminals are sure to follow this one

[@aviralgupta393]

Maybe not criminals but ammunition and gun stores will follow them if USA is a law based society as I know it claims to be. Crimes by guns can't be completely stopped but they can be reduced and that is what US lawmakers should be trying to do.

[@cezarysztolc6856]

Aviral Gupta no no no ,his point is that if you want to get a gun you can get it illegally it’s not hard

[@hostishumanigeneris4472]

With a conservative Supreme Court, gun control bills will be shot down.

[@Alex.grismore]

@Newsweek this is true. You don't need a gun to do it. So what's next? Mass knife, car, and medicine bans? All three can also be used in mass killings. Its not the tool, it's how you use it.

[@imdead1922]

Yeah it may not stop all of them but it still stops some and stopping some is better then stopping none

[@rockking05]

I found it little ironic that the same people who oppose gun control in order to prevent government tyranny ,are often the same people who have no problem with police militarization ,police corruption and police brutality. Not to mention, some of these people also had voted for Bush who gave us some of the biggest government problems that we can ever manage ( NSA, Patriot Act, etc. ) . Also these people mostly have no issue with going to war most of the time, even when that war is unnecessary ( Iraq War ) .

[@patrickbutler87]

How would gun control help with police militarization, corruption and brutality? Wouldn't the state having more control over the population's guns only give corrupt police more power?

[@indioside376]

Those same people say those tactical weapons are no deadlier than other guns, yet it their weapon of choice if they were to wage war with a 'tyrannical' government! Even if semi-auto, those are weapons of war.

[@tyttiMK]

+Patrick Butler It's not really working now, is it? Unless you are suggesting that civilians start shooting cops.

[@alexbeard9613]

Idk what your stating here. You see the people I base my principles on is Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, and John Locke and neither of these people believed that government corruption was a good thing in fact they fought a war over it. I believe we should live our lives freely unless we impede on someone's life, liberty, and property which is John Lockes principles of law. No one has a say who can or cannot defend themselves because self defense is something people own themselves so if you were to take away self defense you are stealing from the people.

[@indioside376]

Mark Nay You can call anything civilian. His weapon WOULD STILL TAKE OFF YOUR LEG in what ever mode. To dumb it down, those weapons SHOULD NOT BE DEEMED 'CIVILIAN'. Weapon of war.

[@deniseengle4269]

This video is my go to on almost any gun violence conversation I have online. It is both timely and timeless...

[@aaaaaaaawwwwwwww]

what do you propose we do abt the problem?

[@carljensen5730]

This video was NOT good. It didn't address the things that HAVE changed as violence increased. Look at school shootings by young shooters. It's not the guns that changed, it's things like violence in media and prescription anti-depressant drugs. I wonder if you knew that the machine gun was invented over 200 years ago. If you have a change in violence, you have to correlate it to other things that have changed. Guns haven't changed significantly in a hundred years.

[@carljensen5730]

@@aaaaaaaawwwwwwww What we need to do is change the toxic society that is causing more violence, NOT to make the country more of a totalitarian state. Guns didn't create this toxic society, and increasing gun control won't solve the problem. Reduce violence in media, eliminate corruption in pharma. Eliminate some of the stressers like endless wars for corrupt profits. Having said that, I do agree with better gun regulation, not more, just better. For example: increasing the age of gun ownership to 25. Kids brains haven't fully developed prior to age 25.

[@aaaaaaaawwwwwwww]

@@carljensen5730 completely agree

[@nickterrencegantalao589]

@@carljensen5730 and how do you propose we change the toxic society in a efficient manner?

[@vanguardanon4979]

I’m British but every time a tragedy happens people always focus on the problem and not the solution. What solution do you propose? Why isn’t there mass media coverage of potential solutions

[@p0neh1]

... there is? gun control... it's in the news

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

Because people here don’t like the solutions. Punish violent felons more severely. Better background checks. Enforcement of existing gun laws. Mandatory training for gun owners. Close gun sale loopholes. Fewer guns in circulation.

[@justjamminjazzy]

obvious solution: regulation

[@Dylan28969]

They did allude to regulations... They pointed to all the other well-developed nations and the programs they have in place and then compared it to the USA. Though they didn't directly say that you need to do this to fix the issue, it is probably because of how intensely polarising that is for a wide audience in a video designed to lay down facts and evoke empathy. No one is here saying you can't have guns in your country. Just don't make them so readily available.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

@@Dylan28969 And to not just anyone with zero training or proper screening.

[@ziich1]

I don't understand why people think gun control and banning guns mean the same thing. I think things like registration and tried safety training course at the very least should be required.

[@LeviForWaifu]

It is a step down the path to it. You are delusional if you think it is not. The only motivation in any politician's mind is "How do I stay in power and benefit the most?" Believing that the human nature of any man is above that of Assad, Lenin, Lukashenko or even Hitler, is delusional at best. If that politician thinks they could get to and stay in control of a reasonably wealthy nation by taking the route of direct dictatorship, they would do so. Human nature is fundementally bad. Selfish, greedy, self-centered, irrational, emotional, immature, and tribal. I have literally never heard a convincing rational (Not emotional "but we give to charity", "but the purge isn't realistic" bullshit) argument to that.

[@joashex]

That's not what people are suggesting. It is our legal right to be allowed to own a firearm. When you start to add some regulations who's to say they can't add more? They're are saying more gun control can lead to a ban on guns.

[@GrumpyStormtrooper]

I say mandatory gun courses every year or 2 years starting at 6 years of age. Even if you don't own a gun when you get the opportunity to do so (at 18, 21, 25 whatever age it is) you still need to do the courses. Ignorance is what makes people afraid of guns.

[@theghostofyoutube8178]

pepelapiu2004 Watch the video dumb ass

[@briettasharee]

laanyan d

[@RedemptionUnleashed]

This was actually a very well thought out video with cited sources and data adjusted for population size. Unfortunately however, the video will likely receive a disproportionate amount of dislikes because people aren't willing to be open minded and watch the whole video. They just dislike once they see "gun violence" or "gun control".

[@chevydrum82]

It fails to mention that the states with the most regulated strictest gun laws have the most deaths and in fact you do need a firearm safety license to obtain a firearm in my state at least

[@GamerFollower]

+Shuma Gorath Really? what states?

[@seananthony7494]

Not all gun rights activist or narrow minded, there just upset videos like this don't mention other variables.

[@shauni1987]

+Gon J not true

[@booho1]

+Shuma Gorath And said gun deaths are caused from out of state guns.

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

Hey lets enact gun control like we did with alcohol and drugs! Those totaly worked right?

[@whistlingbanshee5038]

Yeah, all those other countries with gun control are really suffering with their... Lack of deaths....

[@beverlywilliams8458]

@@whistlingbanshee5038 Gun control wont work when thier are already 300 millions legally own firearms in the U.S

[@whistlingbanshee5038]

@@beverlywilliams8458 cough Australia cough. It 'wont work' because you wont let it work.

[@beverlywilliams8458]

@@whistlingbanshee5038 Australia doesnt gave a 2nd amendment like America.

[@whistlingbanshee5038]

@@beverlywilliams8458 its an AMENDMENT. Meaning change. It wasnt in the original constitution but added in in 1791. You can change the constitution with Referendums. Its done all the time. Heck Ireland did it with the Abortion referendum. And the Marraige referendum. And Divorce referendum. Because stuff that was written hundreds of years ago is outdated in todays society. Gun control can and does work. But the American people wont let it.

[@o7.]

5:35 Obame 😂

[@internalandexternalcorrupt6203]

xD

[@lisakarlsson2134]

😂

[@chinesesymbol3899]

Tf you on about she said it right

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

@@chinesesymbol3899 play it w/out sound

[@josephcoon5809]

That’s short for “Oblame Obama for gun sales.”

[@cjplz123]

I’m Canadian and was always so confused why there are security guards and metal detectors at schools, like airports.

[@iwishiwaswrongbutimnot517]

Well, being Canadian u live most of your life in confusion.

[@sumopanda5394]

@@iwishiwaswrongbutimnot517 what

[@iwishiwaswrongbutimnot517]

@@sumopanda5394 there u go.

[@sumopanda5394]

@@iwishiwaswrongbutimnot517 makes no sense but okay

[@unhelpfullmedic4758]

Most schools don't have metal detectors.

[@w.gregghowze9717]

My guns have never turned violent. I guess I picked good ones.

[@prathameshgawade536]

🤣 what?

[@supermario2360]

Lucky

[@mr.p215]

Mine did, had to put him down.

[@hexcodeff6624]

So you wouldn't mind getting them registered and let them take part in some safety training?

[@AB-xe6ci]

@@hexcodeff6624 oh no trust me I do mind

[@autonomous9031]

My condolences to all whom was affected by this tragedy. It’s is now 2022 and another school massacre just happened in Uvalde Texas and nothing has changed. Maybe it will get an extended run on the online news cycle but that’s it. I wonder what should happen if we all came back here and posted every single time there is another massacre? Report the date and location of the incident. Maybe we can be heard?

[@uwbollema]

As long as the NRA has any sway in politics it will probably never happen

[@autonomous9031]

@@uwbollema that is only one of the many, many, many other financial reasons why it is not in the best interest of wealthy politicians who own stock in firearms manufactures will never do anything to harm that industry

[@chromebooktest1128]

we already have much more effective systems for record keeping

[@seanbrennan7071]

Peaceful slavery or violent freedom

[@donotcare330]

​@@autonomous9031 . I got news for you. Disarming and heavily regulating firearms for civilians wont solve anything. You can buy ANY type of weapon from cartels at the US/mexico border. Mules have FULLY automatic weapons, silencers and about any piece of firearm "candy" you want. For a bag of cash and the only background check they do is look behind them to make sure you are in line. laws are for civilians ie "We are their peasants". Criminals could care less.

[@JacksonDavis]

Gun homicides are down and guns sales are up

[@magisterartium]

+Jack and suicides are up! MERICA #1

[@JacksonDavis]

magisterartium the gun doesn't commit the crime

[@NightCoreElement]

+Jack no the person with the gun does and he's needs a gun to do it

[@JacksonDavis]

NightCoreElement or explosives and he could just get a gun illegaly

[@NightCoreElement]

Jack we're talking about guns not explosives. and yeah he could, I live in the UK and I can buy a gun illegally but no one does because we don't need them and they aren't important or integral to anything other then hurting other people

[@greenghost2008]

steven Crowder debunked this whole thing.

[@Bigrignohio]

+T -Val Then refute his arguments with facts, just like he refuted this video with facts. If you can (which I seriously doubt).

[@kuhnville3145]

@@ArchangelT then watch his video and tell me exactly what he said that was wrong or what he lied about.

[@idklol9899]

Where do you get that clipboard? It is fancy.

[@user-rq4rt3ti8l]

I noticed that too. very fancy.

[@johnmurphy5258]

+Zero Cool Aunty Donna

[@Sham3d]

Found it, Google "11x17 Clipboard Hardboard with 8" Lever Operated Clip" $20

[@NateRiggsEH]

Amazing. An impactful video about gun violence in the US and you wanna know about the *clipboard.* But thank you Sham3d for sharing that I really fucking loved that clipboard

[@Celrador]

+Nate Riggs As someone from Germany, I actually cared more about the clipboard than the contents of the video. I already knew everything mentioned here. Those crazy gun laws are one of the major reasons I never want to visit the US. And considering how batshit crazy the Republicans with their hillbilly-base are, I doubt that anything will change anytime soon.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

Please define “mass shooting” as used in your graphs

[@ultimatedude5686]

a shooting killing at least 4 people

[@__xx_paint_xx__8162]

There’s no legal definition either way so anyone can call 3 deaths a mass shooting

[@cailynjoy8129]

Fleetleader101 the lack of respect for human life is disgusting, i hope you realize what’s wrong with this statement and learn to love other people

[@DakotaofRaptors]

@@cailynjoy8129 who says we don't? I respect human life, but MY life comes first.

[@michaelweiske702]

@Fleetleader101 their chart excludes gang violence and terrorism, which probably means they don't include drive bys

[@TheTactical6string]

Wow, why dont you just come out and say you'd like to have a gun ban vs all this super misleading, cherry picking inconsistent dribble BS, we'd all respect you a whole lot more.

[@KingBobXVI]

"Wow, why dont you just come out and say you'd like to have a gun ban" Because most "pro gun control" people don't want "a gun ban"? Just because Fox says "da libruls" are going to "steal ur guns" and force you to be gay transsexual muslim atheists doesn't mean any of that is actually something the left wants.

[@johnnunya5428]

I saw an episode of Penn & Teller that warned me about people like you. It was about numbers and how people will manipulate them to make any point they wish. Good job with that by the way!

[@followmeandsee7589]

+john nunya They also have a video on gun control that is worth a watch.

[@ragmondead]

While I liked the video that stat about suicide was horribly misleading. America is not at the top of the suicide charts, not even close. That honor goes to South Korea. Asian countries in general tend to have a much higher suicide rate and to totally leave them off the list is dishonest to say the least.

[@merrickbryan85]

western countries

[@CXS1181]

+ragmondead You must have missed the part where she stated that the countries involved were "ranked the highest in human development by the UN", so the stat was not horribly misleading at all. Of course asian countries might have higher suicide rates, but they are also less developed than the US etc, which is pretty obvious when you think about the working conditions their population are subject to. So, "to totally leave them off the list" is not dishonest, as this video is about the most well developed countries and their violence/suicide/gun statistics.

[@ragmondead]

I guess South Korea is undeveloped? and Japan is pretty undeveloped too I guess. This is literally just European countries and the United States.

[@CXS1181]

ragmondead Compared to the likes of America, UK, Australia, Canada etc, yep, i would consider them somewhat less developed!

[@jasonmatthews7706]

I thought about this also bit one thing you must keep in mind is the cultural differences. They probably compared only Europe and America because they have the most cultural similarities.

[@acdub8265]

(5:07) In my state I have to attend a safety class, give a reason for my gun purchase, give 3 references and wait 2 months for a background check in order to purchase a firearm.

[@Raiko01]

these people are lying when they say there are no background checks. Mostly because these are the type of people who will never touch a gun and so they just listen to what OTHER people who will never touch a gun say about the matter. If they actually went and tried to buy one, they'd be surprised.

[@erth2man]

How many career criminals in your state jump through the same hoops before they pick up any firearm they want from a thriving black market? That's why all these requirements they make you go through are nothing more than gun safety theater.

[@arthurb8436]

RylanHasBucket but these shooters aren’t criminals before they commit their crime, if that makes sense. There is no way that banning guns would not decrease buying and circulation.

[@amanshukla8758]

Read the NOTE part at the bottom of the screen

[@henriquetolentino1055]

@@arthurb8436 *your username

[@caleblimb3275]

This video doesn't stand under scrutiny. So many of the statistics are not properly represented.

[@gunhound45]

Such as?

[@Аянп-н5л]

@@gunhound45 -How they disproportionately compare US to specific developed UN countries' suicide rates instead of comparing US to the highest suicide rates. US isnt even top 30 in suicide rate. -How she pivots multiple points like when she goes from Homicides to all around gun deaths to fit her narrative -How she mentions US has the highest ownership of firearms but completely ignore the US is only 28th in homicide. -How she ignores that homicide has gone down 30%+ from the past few decades -Adds a clip of Obama talking about San Bernardino which had to with terrorism despite making a chart later that had terrorism go in the "Other causes of death" category -Misrepresents the statistic of mass shootings by showing a statistic of incidents that involves shooting rather than death total. Of the random countries she has shown, proportionately US is below some of the developed UN countries she had shown. The reason why the US kill people less is because of the bad guys getting stopped with GUNS. -Tries to convince you that gun laws are bad and tries to perpetrate the narrative of the 2nd amendments being inefficient by adding suicides. As if Guns are the reason people commit suicide. All 33 of the countries ahead of US in suicide rate have controlled gun laws and still kill themselves more. -She goes on to ignore how a country like Australia had a gun ban and was proven that it was ineffective. Because not only were non fire arm suicides happening at a more frequent rate than gun suicides, but it spiked as soon as it was put in place and faced virtually no change to the suicide rate -Compares the homicide rate to other countries not realizing that 4/5 of gun violence are because of drugs. Chicago despite having the highest homicide rate in the U.S. has also one of the most strictest gun laws -Gives a stat where she compares Aids Drugs War and Terrorism to Gun Violence in the US. She fail to realize War and Terrorism also include guns. And instead of picking the most frequent causes of death like Heart Disease and Cancer she adds Aids which isnt even a huge deal in the US anyway. .003% of the US have aids and even a lower % die from it. Yet still has a higher rate than Homicide. Homicide isnt even top 10 in causes of death in the US.(And yes i understand the graphic was designed to show gun deaths in total) -Would sometimes switch between Suicide to Homicide to all around gun deaths. The problem with this is that this also include self defense homicides and justifiable ones. Which is literally exactly why there is a 2nd amendment -Tries to unjustify the gun homicide rate decreasing by comparing it to other countries *This video is just poorly written. Poorly represented. Obviously biased propaganda and is despicable. They knowingly lie to audiences but forget the internet exist where people could expose videos like this so people dont get brainwashed by this anti 2nd amendment trash of an argumentative video. Pathetic*

[@jacobgarrison4836]

Surya Das so ur not gunna reply to this man damn man so u were wrong

[@paxundpeace9970]

@@Аянп-н5л You want to get compared with 3rd world countries. No my standard.

[@Аянп-н5л]

@@paxundpeace9970 When did i say that? I just said its important to compare the top ranked countries instead of countries they know have a lower rate

[@beatdown4785]

Steven Crowder brought me here

[@thepincushionman7063]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4avhHdui9yLe9U

[@thepincushionman7063]

^Crowders vid for the nah sayers^

[@iancasteel6646]

Crimson King maybe u should watch louder with crowders video you ignorant weeaboo

[@willnapolitano148]

Same!

[@Marco_Fabian37]

Haha that strawman argument video? Just like you morons to argue “per capita” stupid just like your argument for the electoral college! Bullshit grasping at straws to make your invalid point somehow valid! You people are beyond help!

[@chadschuster3478]

Don't claim that buying a gun is easy if you've never bought one.

[@bluez2621]

+Chad Schuster Right all these liberals saying I could buy a minigun from the local supermarket for about $5

[@johnsteads5060]

U can literally go to a fucking cabellas and be like ya I want that revolver please!

[@bluez2621]

+John Steadman ,but they wont be like k here u go byyyyy

[@jaredtimme5851]

+Chad Schuster It is relatively easy. but that graphic was incorrect it said all we had to do was say '2nd amendment ill take three arbitrarily defined assault weapons" we do have to register. We have to carry a license for a lot of gun usage.

[@00squid00]

+Enjoy Risky go ahead and try it and report back how that works out for you.

[@jacksonb1874]

I hate when the media makes comments about something they have know idea about

[@braedonp]

But should we really be listening to someone who doesn’t know the difference between, “no” and “know”?

[@littlemansamz3998]

braedonxo His grammar isn’t on point but his common sense is

[@louisbecker5941]

I see what you did there... Don't you guys get it? It's subliminal!

[@youssefboudaya5939]

@@braedonp hahahhahaha

[@disregardtheconstabulary1276]

Call me surprised, but you forgot to mention that Chigago for example has a huge crime rate but strict gun laws/ban.

[@ShikaBika1981]

Because if you buy a gun from another state it will instantly vaporIzes once you reach Chicago

[@disregardtheconstabulary1276]

Titan Of course! And they're also made from magic, so you cannot make one or get it illegally. They have to be forged by magicians.

[@Th3VG7]

Yeah, because going outside of "Chigago" is the same as making or buying a gun illegally. Keep trying to use logic, buddy. You'll get there eventually.

[@disregardtheconstabulary1276]

Th3VG7 Your comment made literally 0 sense. Well, that's life with libtards..

[@disregardtheconstabulary1276]

***** Right, because correlation of gun ownership with crime in itself is a viable reason to restrict law abiding citizens? If you haven't noticed; murder, manslaughter and assault with a deadly weapon have been a crime since the day we first saw guns. So with your logic of restrictions, there are no murders and shootings in the first place, because they are not legal! Why restrict gun ownership, if there are no gun crimes? Or could it be that these people who commit crimes, don't follow the law in the first place? Because that's totally not possible!

[@HeilLoki]

Fun fact 1: Violent crime (especially murder rate) is going down for over 2 decades now. Fun fact 2: There are more legal guns today than 20 years ago.

[@OmniscientWarrior]

+BambisMother Fun fact 3: More murders are committed by knives every year than gun deaths.

[@DivingDonut]

+OmniscientWarrior Nope, that one is wrong. More people are killed with knives than with rifles or shotguns, that is correct. www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

[@SomeSomeCruzz00]

+bob ob triggered?

[@HeilLoki]

bob ob Fun fact 4: I don't even own a gun and I'm not even that big of a "fan" of guns. I just value reason more than "muh feelz".

[@isaiahmvelez]

Do they realize most criminals obtain their guns ILLEGALLY.

[@OzCroc]

But by banning guns it would also make it harder for criminals to get them illegally.

[@Evileye451]

@@OzCroc actually it would be easier as there would be a higher demand so sequentially more illegal guns would be sold

[@mobilegamesonly3170]

@@OzCroc After all, banning certain drugs make it harder or gangs to make it.

[@OzCroc]

@@mobilegamesonly3170 So drugs should be legal?

[@mobilegamesonly3170]

@@OzCroc certian ones, yes. If they are legal, you make less by selling them illegally. This discourages making them.

[@dallassegno]

don't forget to compare all gun stats to stabbings in China

[@westerbeck9214]

Dallas Segno yea!! And it europe

[@redunicorn7760]

I checked it, the USA have pretty much the same amount of stabbings compared to the eu

[@shye4700]

@@redunicorn7760 oh that's a big oof my guy

[@arthurb8436]

Ahh good to see you’re going away from the issue here. Obviously knife crime rates are the same, there are little to no knife regulations in most countries.

[@Mark-cx9rt]

How about drug crime stats, you hold 50 grams of meth in China, you are a dead man.

[@harrisonbrown9669]

I love how England wasn't on there much. We were just drinking tea.

[@joonghsv8888]

+Ebin Menes :D:D murica

[@kylekevinkirkthewiz7806]

You don't understand. If Vox cited your country, their entire argument would've fell apart.

[@ImLacky]

+Kyle Kevin Kirk the Wiz Why exactly?

[@rockacraig5653]

+Ebin Menes :D:D A: The UK is not filthy. B: There are plenty of good looking guys and Girls here. C: US gormet burgers or as they are better known Big Mac's are often made with pink slime which is also dog food. D: The freedom to have guns is more of a curse than a blessing. E: there are no Shariah zones in the UK to any one other than Fox news and UKIP. The UK is not the greatest nation I'll admit. But the US is no better and in a number of ways worse. Wake up. Please.

[@kylekevinkirkthewiz7806]

Rocka Craig​​ Gun ownership is amazing ... It means that no one can burglarize your house while you're still in it.

[@joshvanhoose8994]

Take the guns away from criminals and give them to law abiding citizens

[@docwulff907]

Who is to say those citizens won't use those guns either criminally or in any self harm? You don't need guns, they're a luxury. Yes it is a part of the U.S. constitution that citizens have a right to bear arms but do you need a semi automatic rifle with a 72 magazine to go hunting? Or to defend your home? To defend against what? Other guns? We don't need guns

[@erth2man]

@@docwulff907 You don't need guns. That is all that you can attest to as you don't know anything about what other people have to deal with so don't speak with any authority for them or me. Violent offenders are stopped thousands of times each year by armed citizens that refused to be victimized. Even the likely possibility of a victim being armed serves as an effective deterrent to preventing crime or an attack.

[@barackillbombya3835]

@@docwulff907 I can have as many as round as I want and there is nothing you can do about it.

[@joshualocicero6799]

@@docwulff907 who are you to say what people need? Why is need even being argued?

[@hexcodeff6624]

Seems like you want to regulate them? hmmmm

[@AlecWyld]

Steven Crowder literally completely debunked this video. I'd advise any of you to go and watch it now.

[@dbacks2023-]

Using a graph specifically from 2008-2009 definitely seems like cherry picking to me, thanks for the recommendation

[@anthonyburdick1388]

how do i find the video

[@dbacks2023-]

Yeah I was going to sub him until I read he was from Fox news

[@AlecWyld]

***** He's not "from Fox News", he just once worked there a while ago.

[@dbacks2023-]

Okay well however you like to phrase it lol

[@hannahdoppelpunktklammer3648]

thats a very annoying background music you got there... sounds like windows wants to update every 5 seconds

[@maximoernestivilaechague9121]

Hannah Doppelpunkt Klammer Using my Physic knowledge I predict this comment will get in between 200-500 likes

[@cummerchant542]

Máximo Ernesti Vila Echagüe he got 118

[@HighPower762]

@@maximoernestivilaechague9121 119!😎

[@frindjinny6]

They want to distract you from their mistakes like how guns replaced knives and never increased much.

[@GeorgePBurdell8]

You're focusing on gun deaths instead of just deaths, more people die from medical malpractice than guns each year, are you gonna do a video on that? What's more important to you, human life or an inanimate object?

[@Vox]

+Marty McSuperfly kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHm5oWitfrGBnqM kzbin.info/www/bejne/d52pn4N3rsl9nc0

[@Dakkaroni]

I am pro gun but you just got own by Vox.

[@Newphonewhosthis13452]

Fucking Click bait, they don't say shit so they can rack up more view time.

[@McNastehP]

+Vox So you basically showed that you agree that in fact there are many other things that kill way more than guns in the US but still support your bullshit claims in this video? You do know that the UK has twice the amount of violent crime than in the US right? And that countries that fully embrace firearms culture are much safer places to live such as Switzerland and Finland. Why do you people keep coming after firearms when that obviously isn't the problem? Where do you see most of these homicides happening? oh i forgot, Compton, Detroit , WASHINGTON FUCKING D.C.; It is insane that you guys can believe any of this bullshit. "lol facts stand, look at this chart bro" *pulls out a sheet of paper that says: NUMBER OF GUN DEATHS EVER: A LOT*

[@dominicwarren3326]

+Marty McSuperfly Every country has death by medical malpractice but they don't have a gun problem like the US

[@godzillafanforever1]

So you exclude terrorism, but use San Bernardino as an example later on. 😐

[@johnfreeman8860]

But San Bernardino was a terrorist attack and she claimed not to add terrorist attacks WTF!!!!!

[@kmsbismarck5342]

Ban fully automatic assault vans.

[@L0rd0fLight1]

Fully automatic assault vans are vehicles of peace. Behead those who insult Automatic assault vans.

So.... I should give up my individual rights & liberties because someone decided they wanted to take their OWN life? LOL get the fuck out of here

[@andreas4010]

clearly did not watch the video

[@VicvicW]

+J ronnn Do you really need a gun though? Seriously? You don't. You don't rely on it for food or protection. It's not saying you can't have a gun, simply that to procure and maintain ownership of one should be more difficult. What the rate of gun suicide shows is a reflection on the rate of spur of the moment deaths. If there were less guns around, you'd obviously see a drop in these. It's not just suicide, it's domestic killings, blind rage shootings and drunken misunderstandings.

[@quiringjack5172]

+J ronin I think it was implied that the fact that you have individual liberties, you have a higher chance of successfully taking your own life. It's kind of an oxymoron.

[@Zymoox]

+J ronnn "individual liberty" is to own a gun? You don't know what "liberty" really means, don't you?

[@SRehill7]

+J ronnn Did you skip the entire part about homicide?

[@lasergamer509]

Quick question where did you get that clipboard its fancy I need one like that

[@BadDictator]

So to some store, I've seen loads of times in there.

[@hunnybadger442]

Office depot

[@esq4aj910]

I love the way they present the video though, it's so satisfying 😌🙏

[@SweetSourPickle]

I used that in early 2000s, haven't seen since then.

[@yorklovesrush]

This comment section simply stuns me....

[@chrisbresette]

This video is not factual, it's nothing short of outright propaganda. I posted the rebuttal, which actually contains the facts, above.

[@tinytelephones]

+herpderpmonkey they're TRIGGERED by facts pun intended

[@TheComputec]

So, people should ignore it because YOU have said it not true?... yeah... why not? I'm easily swayed on the subject of 42% of ALL firearms on the planet being in the possession of the people from a country that accounts for only 9% of the world populations... Seems perfectly okay to me... Why shouldn't I be able to own my own semi-automatic 700 rounds per minute assault rifle.... Its the only way to keep myself safe on the streets... MURICA !!!

[@Stiggandr1]

God I hope you're intending satire with that statement. Though, It would explain a lot of the fear mongering going on in America's left. An idea should stand or fall on the merit of it's reason, regardless of who's saying it. Vox put up this video, Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro both have excellent videos that address a lot of these issues excellently. I suggest you look them up. Steven Crowder Vox response. Ben Shapiro Peirs Morgan first debate. Listen to the ideas, not who says them, or how they're said. You'll find it enlightening even if you don't agree with them.

[@stinger15au]

+Stiggandr1 using the most cherry picked data rather than long term trends and you have stats say whatever you want. at least the vox video is actual long term trends. the reality is gun lovers just dont like hearing the facts and will cherry pick at anything to support their frankly bs arguments

[@danielmorris6523]

In terms of mass shootings it always appears that the main problem is the lack of communication between the police and mental health services. Here in the UK if you want a shotgun or rifle you apply to the police and they do a background check, they also interview you and if you suffer from mental health problems you get refused. There is better communication later on if someone has a licence but then develops mental health issues. Also this licence needs renewing every five years. You also need a reason to own a shotgun or rifle; so you live on a farm and need it for pest control. Wanting to own a cool rifle isn't good enough. It's a pretty good system but there are still illegal guns out there. Just less of them because it is so strictly controlled. EDIT: and the reason I mention mental health is because 90% of the time the person who becomes a mass shooter very often has mental health issues which if the authorities were aware of earlier they could have reacted to and maybe prevented the act.

[@donotcare330]

They also don't tell you about the crime in your state run media because if the gun wasn't registered it isn't their problem. Sorry, a few friends from UK talk and say "aight".

[@chriscoulter6089]

The USA ranks fourth in the world for gun violence; however it is interesting to note that if you remove the statistics for New York, Baltimore, Washington DC, Chicago, St. Louis and Los Angeles the USA would rank in the bottom ten percent of nations with gun violence. It is also noteworthy that the above mentioned cities have some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the USA. Draw your own conclusions.

[@James-fw5ew]

Yeah so just where all the gang shootings happen?

[@guilace]

+Chris Coulter they get guns from the states with no gun control obviously thats why gun control needs to be nationwide

[@chriscoulter6089]

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[@chriscoulter6089]

David the Gliscor I see, so it's kind of like how junkies get their heroin, methamphetamine and crack cocaine from states that have no drug laws?

[@guilace]

Chris Coulter then lets get rid of those laws then that would things better right?

[@TheTitanSlayers]

Just another comment pointing out this video is phony. I'm sure someone else can do that better than me, but I don't want to see a single positive comment on this video so here's another one calling this video out on it's bullshit

[@SgtKOnyx]

Remember that it scares the elite that Joe Q Public has access to the same protection their bodyguards have

[@VState60]

+TheTitanSlayers kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4avhHdui9yLe9U LOUDER WITH CROWDER DEBUNKING THIS BS PROPAGANDA

[@VState60]

***** Using facts instead of bullshit propaganda makes you a liar? Don't refute his arguments/statistics with you own argument or statistic ..just call him names. That's the leftist/liberal way!!

[@SgtKOnyx]

+T -Val I'm convinced now lol

[@LongRon6969]

It's a pleasant surprise to see all of these comments supporting the 2nd amendment.

[@steviewonder65]

+No Google I don't want to use my real name who the fuck has ever argued that firearms are the only arms covered by the second amendment? the only reason anyone focuses on firearms is because that is what the Feds are trying to ban/regulate.

[@OBtheamazing]

+No Google I don't want to use my real name "Why should we not have a right to wear machetes? Or any other type of weapon?" i believe we SHOULD have to right to wield whatever we want... within reason. The right to have firearms is because it is the most deadly form of defense. It makes you the most capable to defend yourself. Thats why the right does not extend to anything else. Because they do not really matter when compared against guns. Im pretty sure you can wear a machete on your hip if you want... i mean... no ones stopping you

[@WorldwideBushcraftSurvival]

+No Google I don't want to use my real name Yeah, why should we have Rights like free speech and the Right to bear arms when so many other countries don't? I'm with you, let's abolish all logic! You point is a bit silly, but I will try to explain it to you. All rights are "truly necessary for the country" if we are to remain free. No right is above another, but each are equally important. In regards to the 2nd Amendment, I guess the simplest way to say it is that it gives citizens the opportunity for self-protection and self-preservation against not only criminals, but also intrusive governments. It is what established this country and separated us against King George.

[@recer7506]

This video is 6 years old. KZbin algoritmen tends to recomend relevant videos. Let that sink inn for a moment.

[@acdc14terrace]

100 years from now. The states will always be the same, leave those animals alone. Let the Aussies, greenlanders and Canadians thrive?

[@captrbd21]

And how many lives have guns saved? Why are heavily-armed places such as gun stores and police stations rarely targets of armed attackers? If you take suicides and lawful defensive use off of the gun death chart, how many of the shooters left were law-abiding citizens with a lawfully owned gun? Everyday hundreds of convicted felons are caught carrying firearms, many of them have been caught doing this repeatedly and for some reason still wind up back on the street. How do you think gun control will fix them? As long as threats exist in this world my guns stay with me. The one and only way to take mine was best said by the late great Charleston Heston.

[@clintgotit3254]

F

[@stanprice5558]

your right to self preservation does not go away when a criminal breaks the law

[@huntersullivan51]

This argument doesn't make any sense. Being able to own a gun is not equivalent to self preservation. This is so easily disprovable that it really must be a joke. Do you need a gun to survive? If you do for some absolutely peculiar reason, billions of people seem perfectly able to survive in the world without one. The basic human right to life is definitely not equivalent to gun ownership, otherwise anyone who lives anywhere with more restrictive gun control laws has somehow forfeited said right. This is laughable; the world doesn't know it yet but it would seem everyone has been fooled into forfeiting their most basic rights. Weird how that happened.

[@MAGAMAN]

@@huntersullivan51 "Do you need a gun to survive?" If you are being attacked by a knife wielding criminal, yes! if you are being attacked by someone bigger or stronger than you? Yes! Guns have saved the lives of many people who were being attacked by criminals that would have killed the, raped them, or worse. It's is a proven fact that cannot be disproved. " anyone who lives anywhere with more restrictive gun control laws has somehow forfeited said right." If I only quote that part, you are very correct.Look at all the knife attacks going on in the UK right now. You also cannot dismiss that facts, that in places where people are allowed to openly, or concealed carry guns, crime is much lower than places where gun ownership is illegal or severely restricted. Most of these mass shootings happen in "gun free zones" and also, if you look at her chart, these shootings went up drastically under OBAMA, who increased gun control laws. Finally, why is it that most crime and poverty exists mostly in in Democrat controlled cities with the strictest gun laws? Please, disprove all of that!

[@southtexasmayhem5412]

@@huntersullivan51 no, we need a gun to make absolutely sure that people like you do not decide at random that this, or any other right are suddenly inconvenient.

[@eiyukabe]

Conservatives -- interested in the "right to self preservation" when it comes to guns but not when it comes to food, water, shelter, health care, or any other element that is *actually essential* to self preservation.

[@eiyukabe]

@@MAGAMAN "If you are being attacked by a knife wielding criminal, yes!" I got news for you, MAGA MAN -- the criminal is now going to have a gun too. And guess who's pulling the trigger first -- the predator stalking his prey or the surprised victim? "OBAMA, who increased gun control laws." No he didn't -- www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595. If you are so wrong about this, imagine what else you are wrong about...

[@kryten4k]

The big difference between the US and other countries is that owning a gun is a right instead of a privilege. Both these scenarios hold very different mindsets.

[@leoistari]

A very good point

[@renanyctea1247]

@@leoistari truee its in the constitution right?

[@macforme]

Yes, the different mind set is : entitlement nor responsibility.

[@Luke-id1cp]

I sincerely hope no one is fool enough to believe everything vox has said on this topic.

[@matthewsauer9915]

But what about the statistics?

[@tirobo]

@@lordimyre3685 But how does that make the statement "There's a correlation between gun count and gun deaths" false? I anything all you're criticizing is the build-up of the video, not the conclusion.

[@ehs1452]

@@lordimyre3685 no they aren't. They're facts, stop being ignorant Conservative. Facts dont care about your feeling.

[@diamondtigris]

Seems like Americans would rather hand over there first born rather than there guns......

[@indioside376]

No that is only the gun extremist that would seem to want to do that. The thing is, the gun lobby has billions of dollars, for their gun zealots, give until it hurts and it bleeds.

[@phongers87]

Some already have....

[@indioside376]

The MEJ 11% of the total is a lot! Bigger than I thought.

[@indioside376]

Buying guns, and related paraphernalia, is an addiction for some. That addiction runs tyrannically over the family as the next fix is sought.

[@indioside376]

Medovukha That does not bother anyone. The flood of guns in the US means a lot of trickles down to criminals and crazies.

[@shoktroop]

What exactly is "gun violence" is there knife, baseball bat or fist violence? What about all the people killed by drunk drivers? Is that drunk driver violence? After all being slammed into head on is a violent action.. In Vegas we just had a woman intentionally drive her car onto the side walk, killing two and injuring dozens.... Car violence... We need to ban cars.. Think of the children....

[@DMBisAwesome]

+shoktroop Yeah that's kinda the point. We, progressives, want to treat guns the way we treat cars. Heavily regulated with restrictions, licences, background checks, training, etc. You kinda just argued for gun control by comparing guns to other dangerous devices.

[@PlasmaCore]

+DMBisAwesome many of those restrictions already exist.

[@AlexRodriguez-dh7ic]

+DMBisAwesome I wouldn't call it "progressive" to limit people's rights

[@Robotfan987]

+shoktroop Do some research. People are far less likely to murder someone or commit suicide or accidentally kill someone with a knife because it is psychologically far more traumatic and less effective.

[@shoktroop]

+Robotfan987 Uh.. That's the problem with the Internet.. I work in an ER and we see far more stabbings than gun shots. Every ER I have worked in is the same.. Tons of stabbings very few shootings.. Perhaps you should do the real research.. Spend some. Time in a ER trauma room like I do.

[@jamesp.sullivan4279]

In the netherlands you need a safe storage for your gun, the cops come check every three months if your gun is locked up safe if not, the gun would be taken away from you.

[@erik8467]

If someone breaks into your house while you're asleep, by the time you go put in the code and get ur gun out you'll be dead

[@faeinthebay]

Erik Arustamyan The Netherlands don't seem to permit gun ownership for self defense (except for notable circumstances I assume), so quick access isn't necessary within the parameters they allow gun ownership. As for my own opinion, it could be worth comparing how many deaths are prevents by gun ownership for self defense vs deaths enabled by less restricted gun access.

[@erik8467]

andrewia yes but according to the chart at 3:53 the burgalary rate is the highest in the Netherlands, so the chances of you needing to defend yourself at home is also high. Considering the fact that there's only 17mil people in the Netherlands compared to that of 320mil in the USA the Netherlands shouldn't even be near the top of that chart but in almost every chart they show in the video the Netherlands is there, countries like Russia, China and India aren't. We can't just get rid of all guns. It's impossible to do that in the US literally everyone would have to volunteeraly go and give in all of their guns which won't happen, instead we need to create common sense laws. There isn't enough police in America to go around to people's houses every few months to check and see if they have safe storage, instead everything has to be done before the person buys a gun. There needs to be background checks, everyone who buys a gun should be put in a registry, there needs to be a list of medication and mental disorders and if your taking those medications or have the slightest of those disorders you don't get a gun. There also needs to be proper training. It's the same with buying a car. No license no car. You should get a license beforehand and in order to get a license you need to pass a gun safety test.

[@ouci]

i’m from the netherlands and guns don’t seem to be needed at all. burglars don’t even have those

[@themarmarax]

+ougbad And if they do, it's a fake gun

[@Jonathan-zl7ej]

In germany(and other european coutries) everyone make fun of the guns laws in america. It's absurd to us how so much people have guns there

[@devindixon9009]

And its also funny that your goverment has a lot more control over you, yes you German we have seen the riots 😂

[@Jonathan-zl7ej]

@@gy5rffg5rf in germany 70 people died from gun violence last year. In America 40,000. Small difference

[@devindixon9009]

@@Jonathan-zl7ej knife crime in Germany is way higher than the United States 🤔 funny less guns In Germany too.

[@oKnuTo]

@@devindixon9009 homociede rate usa 6.383 germany 0.823. USA has 7 times more homocieded per captia despite beening the "richer" country .

[@GreatlordShadox]

It certainly is fascinating to see the number of people who have weighed in on my thread here. I originally posted this to see how much of a reaction I got from it, hence the brusque wording preserved below, and I must thank each and everyone who responded. I wanted more views on this topic, and you have helped me broaden my perspective. Original comment below: At the risk of being targeted, I'd say the gap between liberals and conservatives is shown quite astonishingly well through the Like/Dislike bar and comments.

[@BecomingSuperSaiyan]

lol, I just noticed that too, all in all its interesting.

[@meastonjohnston2854]

probably a good point. Although there are liberals like me who probably disliked the video because they're informed on why legal gun control won't work, and how other factors are more prescient.

[@GreatlordShadox]

To be honest, I've agreed with points on both sides, that control won't work and that we need more control, but generally more with the general idea that we need more control, not so much with the ways people are coming up with _to_ control it. It all seems to boil down to the state of things just kinda being a mess, what with minorities being much more vocal in general lately through the internet and social media, and not necessarily only with gun control/violence. Hopefully once this wave of increased power through social media and the internet dies down enough, or people find ways to take control of it more, we can really get good, effective systems in place so that everyone can finally agree, or at least compromise effectively, on a lot more issues.

[@JathTech]

More likely that this drivel isn't linked on conservative websites as much as it is on liberal websites. This entire video is a logical fallacy nightmare. It's completely misleading and the whole thing reeks of propaganda.

[@GreatlordShadox]

I totally understand if that's the whole of it, but I personally find it hard to find places with minimum bias on such large and divided topics. While I would like to see, for example, this video with less overall bias, I've become rather disenchanted with the whole "pick a side" nature of popular politics these days and have become content with resources that are heavily liberal. I am fully aware that each person has their own preferences, but I was simply implying my distaste for for the contention that is aimed at _any_ news source online, not just Vox, anymore. I have my opinions on propaganda, as you mentioned this video "reeks of," but I have simply reached the point where I find solace in seeing that my sentiments aren't unique and otherwise stand away from the nonstop street brawl that is the vocal extremism of internet-aided politics.

[@czzted99]

no guns no problem

[@Blank-km4qr]

You take away the guns you give the government all the power

[@youngstunna323]

Oh... like in Mexico? Open your eyes and stop eating all the bullshit the government tells the media to feed you!

[@diona2pham]

+Not Who You Think I Am how does owning a gun mean that the government owns all the power? are you saying that we wouldn't be able to riot if the gov become corrupt or something? this nation is defined by power to the people, we are the ones who make and amend laws. it would be our fault if the country goes to ruin, since no one seems to give a crap anymore, am I wrong?

[@czzted99]

Not Who You Think I Am guns are a business

[@diona2pham]

Not Who You Think I Am And I ask again. Wouldn't it be our fault, as a nation, if it were to even get that far? We have one of the strongest political systems in the world, (though no one trusts it because of political corruption) WE chose who WE want for President, governor, etc. Paranoid much, you think that would happen again or something? That was in the past. Be honest to yourself. Do you own a gun, and for what reason would you? To protect your family? Recreation or sports? Look how Japan's doing without guns. The point is that with guns involved there will be death. I'm not saying to get rid of it completely, if you could restrict to the point where Japan's at, I'd be satisfied.

[@anjoskold]

Alright, this video convinced me. Let's just burn the constitution.

[@jph4889]

+anjoskold Why should I defer to the constitution over what is clearly better for the country?

[@anjoskold]

I think James Madison and Thomas Jefferson knows more of what's good for the country than you ever will.

[@jph4889]

anjoskold No. They don't. They're dead. They wrote for their time. Not mine. They thought that a black man constituted 3/5ths of person and that women shouldn't have the right to vote. Thus, I don't have to take their opinions seriously.

[@anjoskold]

Then get the fuck out of the country they made.

[@jph4889]

anjoskold Why would I do that when I can just support changing the constitution? You realize that's been done many, many times, right? Like when slavery was abolished and when blacks and women got the right to vote?

[@notabannedaccount8362]

Australia took action, and they ended mass shootings!

[@seanbrennan7071]

Australia’s government didn’t murder 297 Native Americans when they went to confiscate guns committing the largest mass shooting the US history. You can fact check me but I’m pretty sure that’s the largest mass shooting in a 1st world country.

[@thedaventure]

No better way to prove your point than to hand pick data.

[@madhouse5213]

oh yes bcuz using 3rd world countries would make the data accurate

[@haydenjacobson4033]

+madhouse5213 You honestly believe that is what he was implying?

[@ziros22]

+madhouse5213 He doesn't mean 3rd world countries he means OTHER developed countries. China and Russia are not included in this "unbiast" video because they represent more gun deaths than the US which goes against Vox's agenda.

[@ManusPeperzak]

+ziros22 China is still a developing country. And yes it does make sense to compare the US to other western countries because it IS a western country. China's and Russia's governments and systems are vastly different to western countries. They are not even democracys, they just got out of communism. (Not to mention that gun violence is way higher in the US than in China or Russia)

[@Joel2Million]

+ziros22 I don't think being like russia or china is a good goal, showing they are as bad or nearly as bad would be worse imo

[@mike10031]

last time i checked, my guns were still locked up in its safe collecting dust and dog hair. not going out shooting people.

[@jarrod752]

+michael alvarez Get a hermetically sealed safe. That should keep the dust and dog hair off of it.

[@BiologyPhia]

+michael alvarez Oh good, the world will be just fine. No need to worry, Michael Alvarez was the only person we needed to worry about. Thank you for letting us know we should only be thinking about you.

[@blu2106]

Who is advocating for that, again?

[@Anton-wd6zw]

@@BiologyPhia 5 years later and he still hasn’t used his gun. Thank god the safety of the United States was contingent on it.

[@thebrizzy]

I thought Canada ended their national gun registry

[@ZontarDow]

We did.

[@thebrizzy]

+dave19941000 I wonder if Vox mistakenly used old information or if they knowingly lied.

[@nSFlights]

+Brian Im betting knowingly

[@ZontarDow]

Brian Given how long ago it happened, it's either spectacularly bad research or a lie. Given how bad the information in this video is in general, either one could be the case.

[@Clumscloud]

+Brian Hello Brian ! Just so you know, Canada removed the gun registry only on "non-restricted" firearms. You can see the details at this address (www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/online_en-ligne/reg_enr-eng.htm). You still need to register your firearm if it's fall into the "restricted" category (for example semi-automatic, barrel less than 470 mm etc. ). I can safely say that Vox did use an information that was right. If you are interested about how many Canadians have firearms, you can check this address (www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm). Hope you understand that not everything is black or white...

[@germanmemerboi3157]

Its sincerely embarassing that stuff as simple as making sure people arent killed in their daily life is politicised.

[@adammiller8133]

It’s not quite that simple. Guns are a part of American culture, and until this country changes its culture, there will remain people who defend gun rights.

[@cameronjohnson5256]

Funny how guns save between 1 and 3 million lives every year but you think banning guns will save lives. Edit: 500,000 to 2,000,000 depending on where you get the stat from, not 1-3 million.

[@dirkmiehle2099]

@@cameronjohnson5256 Would be interested to know where you got those numbers from

[@dbclass4075]

@@cameronjohnson5256 Yet the number of deaths from gun suicides alone outnumbers the lives saved. As the conclusion had mentioned: America has multiple gun problems. Which problem would USA want to prioritize: gun suicides, the type of gun deaths with the highest fatalities. Solve that, and gun deaths will drop a lot.

[@cameronjohnson5256]

@@dirkmiehle2099 Sorry for the late response, I didn't get the notification. The CDC said 500,000 to 2 million every year. So I got it wrong.

[@juniorvilla7351]

so this means im buying more guns Vox thank you

[@xCrimsonxTidex]

Misleading propaganda, but what I find funny is that I can't take this woman seriously because she can't even spell Obama correctly.

[@G0DofRock]

+xCrimsonxTidex Lol Calm down, grammar Nazi.. Even though she immediately corrects it. "Propaganda.." looks like basic statistics from the World Health Organization.

[@xCrimsonxTidex]

ChronicCuber It does "look" like it, but it is steered to the anti-gun agenda. I don't feel like explaining, so I'll let this guy do it. /watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs

[@G0DofRock]

xCrimsonxTidex Looks like it's steered towards the gun-control agenda.. God forbid we actually look at a problem, so much easier to shout propaganda and discredit studies with a video of a guy ranting about how technically some of the statistic aren't directly related to legal-gun owners and keeps saying "see, see here is where they trick you.. NOW they just changed topics, trying to trick you again by addressing multiple issues, nobody just talks about one thing and correlates it with another.." I like how he doesnt cover that yes perhaps legal ownership isnt as large of a problem as interpreted by some, and also just says "See look, the US is about the same for homicides compared to other countries that have legal gun owners" which does not fairly compare and completely ignores that these other countries have much more strict acquisition and different licencing processes.. Illegal firearms are still a problem because the access is an issue.. There are so many loopholes for people to acquire weapons..Gun shows, trading, friends, theft, certain state laws etc.

[@strawbs2567]

+xCrimsonxTidex I believe it says "Obama Era"

[@IronWarrior4Ever]

+xCrimsonxTidex You mean OBAMA-ERA isn't a hyphenated proper noun?

[@NealX]

I just find it fascinating how among conservatives "right to life" becomes "right to guns" as soon as they're not talking about fetuses...

[@VicvicW]

+Neal X Republicans do not care about the fetus, they care about a woman's right to her body. It's a form of misogyny. HEAR ME OUT, I don not use the term "misogyny" lightly, but it is down to the outdated idea that women are there to create babies. I dry heaved when I used the term, trust me.

[@danchen3676]

"right to guns" is not "right to deaths" idiot

[@NealX]

Dan Chen The idiot is the guy who apparently watched this video and didn't comprehend the part about *direct correlation between guns and deaths*.

[@boogie1434]

False. You are comparing an act, Abortion to an inanimate object, a gun With every abortion a life is destroyed, that's the whole point of it. Simply owning a gun means absolutely nothing, I can buy one to save my life, my property, family, heck I could keep it in a crate for 100 years it would kill no one! With over 350 million guns and over 80 million gun owners in this country Death toll by guns: 1.4 million Death toll by abortion: 60 MILLION

[@KyleWannaKookie]

+Dan Chen Stupidest person I saw on the internet today.

[@utkangezer]

Why is there a driver's license in the US? Why don't you "free people" fight for your absolute freedom of owning and using your cars? They are at least used primarily for driving and only secondarily for killing. Why the heck do these killing-only machines require any less regulation than car usership?

[@Nanofuture87]

You're right, we should privatize roads and eliminate driver's licenses.

[@DoubleGoon]

@@Nanofuture87 Good luck finding many to support that idiotic idea.

[@Nanofuture87]

@@DoubleGoon Thanks for the support, though it's not idiotic. Roads being public are a source of many problems like traffic jams and suburban sprawl.

[@transgayatheistmarijuanasm803]

I'm for gun control, when there's a gun in the room, I want to control it.

[@reyariass]

gg

[@xiettt]

And that’s why people want guns, to protect themselves from you.

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

Is an Airsoft AR15 a military assault rifle just because it looks like one?

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

+laanyan Comments below says making an AR semi auto still classifies as a military weapon.

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

+laanyan Precisely, the "people control", urgh I mean "gun control" advocates are refusing to debate this topic with unbiased facts. Basically they're saying every gun is for military and/or murderous use and if it's a rifle or looks like one, or its black in color, it is s machine gun and should be banned immediately. I don't understand why they want to add to the 22,000+ gun laws that are already in place, when the FED and ATF are not enforcing one ones we after have. Example: felons cannot own guns. Send the ATF into the inner cities and collect the guns that are held by drug dealers and gang bangers. That is where the"gun problems" exist. It certainly isn't in my closet, in my safe, on my hip and in my vehicle. I don't have a problem with those guns. Nor does the FBI and ATF, they have me the permit to have them there.

[@robertdemeo]

An AR15, regardless of whether it is an airsoft gun or actual firearm, is not an assault rifle because it does not have a full-auto fire mode.

[@asegent5251]

+Robert DeMeo The term "assault rifle" does not mean anything. It was a term invented by the media to describe a "scary" looking rifle. Tell me, is the M14 rifle not seen as an "assault rifle?"

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

+Agentbh9 Gameing If it's a gun, and it's painted black, and you can attach a flashlight to it... it's an EVIL assault rifle!!

[@guyfromaccounting]

Propaganda.

[@jmitterii2]

+Don Vidal I know, like gravity, chemistry, electromagnetism, electronics, etc.

[@jeremyrockatansky]

+nick howell what facts? these "statistics" are completely manipulated and sometimes downright false.

[@marie-louisenielsen4906]

+Jeremy Bacchus Says who? What are your sources?

[@EmpiricalPragmatist]

+jmitterii2 Please use your brain. You are bragging about sciences being on your side of this argument? Please look at the trend line drawn at 6:10 in this video (just for one super-obvious example). It only fits if you ignore more than 25 states. -_- Now try some critical thinking. You know, from that scientific method you were just bragging about?

[@marie-louisenielsen4906]

EmpiricalPragmatist I'm sorry that a trend line drawn in hand isn't a 100% correct, but if you listen to what she says, she says that overall there is a correlation between the number of guns and the amount of people killed, which doesn't sound completely off to me

[@Netomal]

So Steven anyone??

[@yepyep4451]

Yep 😂

[@LeviPaladin]

Google "Vox Rebuttal: Gun Control Propaganda Debunked"

[@Yogizilla]

Yeeees.. This whole video was dismantled. Of course, some will see the high production value and think, "Surely they are telling the truth.. just look at that clipboard and the red highlights!"

[@rhd244]

it would seem that peoples decision to use gun is like making permanent choices based on temporary emotions.

[@rhd244]

What I am saying is I have seen people use a gun and later wish they never did. It is like impulse shopping when you buy something you don't need just because you have extra money. Some people are the same way with guns. Soon as they get one they start playing with it, pointing in at people and doing dumb things with it. The ego takes over and now someone is forever hurt by it.

[@garrettholland664]

+Roger DeVeaux you realixlze more people get struck by lightning then die in firearm accidents?

[@jedaaa]

that's because every 60 seconds on earth there is approximately 12,000 lightning strikes. and.... you do realize that if there were less guns there would be less gun deaths?

[@jedaaa]

listen dude, if someone enters your home in the middle of the night. they're only there for your T.V , playstation and laptop. they're not there to hurt you. they don't even want you to know they are there. just sit tight and call the cops. they'll be gone inside 5 mins. leaving your room and going downstairs with a gun drastically increases the chances of you and your family getting hurt.

[@garrettholland664]

jedaaa how do you make it so that a gun is hard for a criminal to obtain?

[@redryder747]

Well on the San Bernadino shooting that was radical Islam, But this channel doesn't want to talk about that

[@avibryan5076]

+ThePoopMaster01 not to mention the arsenal of other lethal weapons found in their home that would have been used if they didn't have guns (for example, the numerous pipe bombs).

[@MJ-cq6gz]

+ThePoopMaster01 That doesn't explain all the suicides and non-mass shooting homicides.

[@wereNeverToBeSeenAgain]

+ThePoopMaster01 Well, then just keep providing radical Islam with guns within the US you fucking morons. It's in the Constitution after all, isn't it?

[@Sgb3388]

+ThePoopMaster01 Well, the mass shooting in Charleston, S.C was done by a racist, white male. But, I guess you don't want to talk about that.

[@haroldfinch9144]

+Melissa Jansen Except for the fact that most of those non-mass shooting homicides are drug related and thus have a strong leaning towards gang violence; which at the beginning Vox said they wanted to exclude. Fun Fact: Homicide has been going down for almost the last 10 years while gun sales keep going up after the Media scares people with news stories.

[@LetTheWritersWrite]

Skewed stats. Plain and simple.

[@Crupyto]

Thanks for your useless opinion! We are going to ignore it!

[@kuhnville3145]

@@Crupyto when you include things like terrorism to gun homicides after saying you'll exclude terrorism and constantly use undefinable terms, of course the stats are skewed.

[@keithmichael9965]

I live in Tennessee. Here, when I purchased a handgun, I underwent a strenuous background check. I took an eight hour gun safety course which cost over $100. We don't have to state the reason for purchase, but the chart with gun laws needs more check under the US. Most people outside the US don't understand that each state makes their own gun laws. Some are very strict. Some are lax. But, for the most part, every state has background checks.

[@ratofvengence]

Most states require zero background checks for private purchases.

[@Skinny-it8hj]

@@ratofvengence and there’s nothing wrong with that

[@hypegroup1218]

@@Skinny-it8hj What?

[@Sub-0o]

You call that strict and strenuous??? A lot of countries ban guns straight up

[@markdin2988]

@@ratofvengence private purchase is like me selling one to my buddy down the road. You gonna make that illegal?

[@Joefisk95]

Crowder just destroyed this video.

[@ryanlucas3907]

My God Vox, maybe you should stop lying to people constantly about gun violence? Your video is incredibly misleading. So bad, you should take it down and fix it. This comes off as just misleading, if not outright lies.

[@freedomconstruction]

Only a unobservant person would believe this.

[@shye4700]

what do you mean?

[@bigbenguitarslinger494]

I think that we need to get a handle on the reasons people commit suicide and homicide. Even when I was going to high school, I encountered people who fantasized about mass shootings,or generally mass murder. People need to take the signs of violent tendencies seriously. The people who act on these impulses will oftentimes give signs that they are becoming violent

[@OfficialJab]

Do you think they'll publish a response to Crowder?

[@OfficialJab]

Mermaid Man "marked as spam" That happen a lot over here?

[@OfficialJab]

***** The attack at the union event and the 'baby parts' videos have both been released in full and speak for themselves - in Crowder's favour. Videos are edited for a reason, and especially in the case of the PP videos, to show the relevant parts. Don't know what about them is 'debunked'. They absolutely show that PP staff sell baby parts as though they are "line items" and alter their procedures to do so and it is illegal. Absolutely. You don't want proof that this is propaganda, A competing viewpoint is one or two clicks away and you are deliberately avoiding it.

[@OfficialJab]

Mermaid Man I don't call them liberals any more, I think it's misplaced. reason.com/archives/2012/08/12/classical-liberalism-vs-modern-liberalis

[@OfficialJab]

***** Saying you're right sure is easy to do.

[@rickgrimes931]

@T -val - Liberals rarely, if ever, tell the truth. They can't. The truth does not ever support their agenda.

[@trytrustinmejc]

Where's Mexico stats

[@aengus3981]

trytrustinmejc not one of the top developed countries

[@trytrustinmejc]

Mexico is a developed country there have cable tv!

[@trytrustinmejc]

They have cable tv!

[@talleyrand299]

Vico, either is most inner cities in America. Drive through Baltimore, Detroit or the south of Chicago and tell me if you think you are in a first world country.

[@zaphodbeeblebrox2360]

talleyrand So the African areas then?

[@MemTMCR]

other countries: checking off safety precautions U.S.A: ØØØØØ

[@ghtbb]

Am I allowed to take a view back?

[@1EpicMusic]

ahhahahahahahaha

[@pdempw11]

Two words, Steven Crowder

[@Joey-rn3es]

Damn.....America has lost its touch with good propaganda. Vox, you insult my intelligence!

[@bradavon]

In ANY other country its citizens would find this just to alarming not to do something. In the United States of America on the other hand...

[@pinkanime_cat1460]

There is really something wrong with the people in this country. Our children are getting killed but certain people just don't care and want their "freedom" when it comes to guns.

[@seanbrennan7071]

Well considering the United States government committed the largest mass shooting in US history I think it’s best we just keep them

[@EckdogsCorner]

its complicated but its because it is in the constitution as an enshrined inalienable right that it holds the place it has here.

[@amandasmith593]

We need licenses to operate motor vehicles. These licenses are only available after passing two tests to verify that the licensee is familiar with relevant laws and safety procedures and can safely operate a vehicle. Any vehicle purchased must be registered and anyone driving the vehicle must have insurance. Larger and specialty vehicles require special licensing, additional insurance, and must follow stricter laws. We do all this for machines that were not designed for the express purpose of causing bodily harm. Why is it so controversial to do the same for machines that actually are?

[@RougeSamurai77]

You need a license to carry a gun like you need a license to drive a car. You don't need a license to buy a car and you don't need a license to buy a gun...well actually you need a license to buy a gun in my state but not a car..

[@southseapirate1]

You know those criminals would stop those bank robberies as soon as they realize they dont have insurance on their unlicensed firearms right! I mean cause that's exactly how the world works!

[@kid3987]

cars-licensing and registered-10 deaths per 100,000 per year. guns-no licensing or registration- about 5-10 deaths per 100,000 a year. guns are safer then cars so we shouldn't have the same regulations

[@tankbuddy9666]

Cars are a privilege, not a constitutional right.

[@TheTheads0]

Compare the statistics for what is relevant however - which is the amount of time you would be in a situation where it could harm people. Cars are used daily by basically everyone who commutes, whereas guns are almost never used - yet somehow still guns make up that many deaths.

[@eveofneverland]

14,000 dislikes on a video that literally does nothing but present facts... only in *'murica!*

[@pepelapiu2004]

Justin Howell Would you like me to show you how you were outright mislead and lied to by this video?

[@lutu1408]

Just because it's the truth doesn't mean that people will listen to it.

[@jeff2049]

pepelapiu2004 i would please

[@christiansarrazin4802]

pepelapui2004 Go ahead. explain why I was misled

[@sean3533]

Steven Crowder exams the stats of this video Allot of opinion in this.

[@austinavery6292]

Lmao when the comment with the most like is #louderwithcrowder

[@Mohamed58290]

I don’t get it Guns should be banned for good And anyone selling them should be sentenced to life in prison you let your citizens buy all the guns they want and then you complain when they use the guns that you let them buy

[@llerradish]

Chicago, Detroit, New York city and the state of California have the most strict gun laws in the U.S. it is almost impossible for a law abiding citizen to get a concealed handgun licence in these places, yet these places have the highest gun violence. This video is B.S. and miss leading.

[@danguzman629]

Best goddamn comment thank you

[@carlosmadueno2458]

+Dar Tice TRUE

[@FoltzyVids]

America does NOT have a gun problem, you're completely right, the majority of those who commit crimes with guns obtain said weapons illegally.

[@jasonpatterson8091]

+Dar Tice If you're talking about absolute numbers, then yes, those large population centers are among the highest. If you adjust for population though, Chicago is well below the median per capita homicide rate (and gun-related homicide) rate, New York is far, far lower still, and California is somewhere near the middle of the states depending on which statistic you choose (heck, it's even on a graph in the video...) Detroit is the only one for which there is any sort of case to be made, and there you've got enormous societal problems from the near complete collapse of a metropolitan area into a smoldering, post apocalyptic husk of a city.

[@ihaveacar]

+Jason Patterson "when you adjust the charts and fudge the numbers around to show exactly what you want instead of the truth it shows exactly what you want" That's basically what you just said.

[@user-lf1xm4td7e]

4:34 wait they didn‘t use guns in iraq? lol

[@fannin8583]

There were not as many fatalities by guns than by explosives

[@TheMartian11]

those were not guns owned by civilians, you dunce

[@Yeet-cy8tz]

@@TheMartian11 Neither were the afghan wars you dunce.

[@TheMartian11]

@@Yeet-cy8tz huh?

[@Yeet-cy8tz]

@@TheMartian11 They included the afghan wars in statistics but those weren’t civilians were they?

[@ThisNameIsG]

so controversial, we'll see a lot of anger here

[@MrRishik123]

+ThisNameIsG Stats from a good method aren't controversial. People are too stupid to realise that there are actual reasons we can point to and do something about them. Such as universal background checks for every gun being bought even at gun shows. I agree that it is going to be impossible to take the guns away from the american people. But taking it away from say the mentally ill, even temporarily might help reduce the suicide by gun rate.

[@Pinklewilly]

+ThisNameIsG As a foreigner I basically just come onto these threads to marvel at this issue. Probably completely unique in the world. The US is such a fascinating and messed up place. Both good and bad.

[@Pinklewilly]

+Steven Dixon I would assume that would be very hard to get good data on.

[@vancewade6251]

+ThisNameIsG The saddest part is that the creators put zero opinion in it. Purely facts. If facts upset you, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

[@dhermitmorse]

+Pinklewilly I recently watched a news story about a man in Britain who's home was broken into and defended himself with a cavalry saber. In the story the man took great pains and risks to not hurt the burglar because doing so in Britain would get him in trouble with the law even though he was being attacked. When the police finally did arrive they took his sword, to figure out if it was a samurai sword because those are illegal, and when they determined that he had done nothing wrong charged him to ship his own property back to him. This kind of thing makes Britain, from an American perspective, look like a fascinating and messed up place. I suspect that this sort of thing is true of every country. We all have our cultural biases. Looking at other countries through that lens is like looking at an alien world.

[@GermanBoomBeach]

36.000 Amerikans with guns disliked that video.

[@canstein8666]

Haha

[@pingpong1138]

Or we could teach our kids to have respect for others and authority, but that's too difficult, let's have the government do it for us

[@mrsloth5053]

+pingpong1138 sometimes the simplest solution is the best...

[@pingpong1138]

+Mr Sloth and it is much simpler to get off our lazy butts and actually punish our kids

[@nosdarb]

+pingpong1138 You're making a big assumption here. Probably several, really. But the important one is that people would want to teach their kids the specific thing and/or way you want them taught. They might, instead, teach their kids that police are the enemy and should never be trusted. Or some kind of machismo code, where you have to be tougher than everyone else around you. Or they might live in conditions so removed from anything you know that crime actually is the best option for advancement. Point is, even if everyone is 100% committed to disciplining their kids, they're going to be disciplining to different standards. Which, is how freedom works, so that's just the way it is.

[@bricejohnson4272]

After living in Europe, I can see a higher form of emotional intelligence there than most states in America.

[@AsianMcLovin22]

+pingpong1138 sometimes not all kids can handle harsh punishments, the you restrain someone from doing something, the more they do it. Unless youre ofc talking about simple punishments like taking their toys away, restricting them from doing something (watch TV etc.) but definitely do not do physical damage as much as possible

[@Bxkdkds]

I’m a Canadian, I have a degree in Justice Studies. I own two long rifles that are kept safely in my gun case. Even I agree with this, in Canada, everything above a single shot or semi auto long ride or shot gun is considered restricted or prohibited, where you need special training and registration inorder to even think about registering one. I lived on a acreage for a long time and primarily used my rifles to shoot gophers as they tore up my land. You may say I’m a libtard or ‘snowflake’ but I do agree, for people living in the city, gun laws should be an absolute. I personally believe that if you are in danger it’s better to carry pepper spray and a knife compared to a gun, as shooting a gun can kill a person while pepper spraying someone and using knife in defence probably won’t kill a person but will definitely debilitate them inorder to get away or protect personal property. I looked at the comments and many people quote Canada as a culprit saying people in Canada want less gun control, this is true, but only in the western provinces where people live on the prairies, on acreages, farms, and small towns. While in the east such as Ontario, Quebec, and the Martine provinces, people want more gun control. In Canada the only way to purchase an assault rifle is to have a prohibited license, and this license as far as I know, is inherited, or you must pass extensive tests to purchase a prohibited license.

[@carljensen5730]

You shouldn't be allowed to legislate what people "need" or don't "need". Your needs to shoot gophers isn't relevant to other people's needs or RIGHTS. Guns aren't the problem. Guns haven't materially changed in a hundred years, so they don't explain a sharp rise in deadly violence since the 1990s. For God's sake, look at what changed in the 1990s: violence in media and highly dangerous use of certain prescription drugs, especially in young people. The other major contributor is a huge rise in corruption, such as the now endless wars for criminal profit. People in the US are subject to daily bombardments of stress in the media. That is not nearly as extensive in other countries.

[@cyborgbob1017]

one objection: Pepper spray is a TERRIBLE WEAPON. In a large number of cases, it can be considered inhumane and cruel, and it especially cause lots of damage if you have a bit of a wind going. A much more humane but effective weapon would be a tazer/electric shocker. It completely dehabilitates them for a while and makes them seriously consider their life choices, yet it is nowhere NEAR as lethal and problematic as a normal gun. Definitely would reccomend

[@thelonelyking9904]

If you get into a knife fight with someone attacking you, you will both end up dead. Knife fights are brutal and vicious, I'd much rather have a firearm than have to rely on a knife to defend myself.

[@Flopzalot]

​@@cyborgbob1017 You do realize that Tazers aren't always effective, right? Also, why would you be worried about an aggressors life? They aren't worried about their victims. I'd take a million dead aggressors over one dead innocent any day.

[@Brzzzyexe]

smells like someone's rights were infringed

[@ICEGTN]

how do you explain chicago

[@TheMonkeytrumpetz]

+No Google I don't want to use my real name Denmark doesn't have a fuckton of impoverish African Americans who have been raised in a society where it is normal to be a part of a gang? Does that explain it for you?

[@torchandhammer]

+Luca Fuoco How do you explain Alaska?

[@GRIIZLEH]

+torchandhammer Alaska has one of the lowest gun crime rates... May I also add that they have the second highest gun ownership out of all 50 states behind Wyoming. On that note Wyoming is the 2nd lowest in gun crime. Ill also add that both of those states have some of the lowest population % of African Americans.

[@steviewonder65]

+Nick also, visiting your nearest neighbor is a day trip......

[@torchandhammer]

+Nick To be fair, Alaska has only the 2nd highest rate of gun violence in the entire US, Louisiana has the highest. 3rd is Alabama, 4th is Arizona, 5th is Mississippi.