The State of Overwatch 2

I made a second youtube channel for more Overwatch 2 content, you can find it here: ‪@B_Seagull‬
Overwatch 2 may have stellar gameplay, but it's not what was promised. I'll probably log on everyday anyway.
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[@Andrewjrt]

Well made video Seagull. It's been so long, I'd almost forgotten what overwatch 2 was meant to be. Ow2 is Ow1 if they had continued to update it the past 2-3 years. Right now it feels like a big update rather than a sequel. And that’s not a bad thing. The pvp is superior and I’m excited for that. We’ll just have to wait for the other features. Pve/story ect)

[@graveyardzguy8064]

OW2 is a sad excuse of a game compared to OW sad days indeed

[@salvatore2004]

you'll play it still...

[@geraldthegoose1685]

@@salvatore2004 won't a lot of people still play it though?

[@salvatore2004]

@@geraldthegoose1685 I'm asking will he, he said its sad so maybe he doesnt like it..

[@gabrielchaney1577]

​@@geraldthegoose1685 yea but if you are still going to play it, what are we actually complaining about? that something can be better? i mean _anything_ can be improved.

[@jimmyc2358]

I honestly hope the PvE turns into a packaged title. I don’t see seasonal stories and hero missions doing the trick.

[@JKumaD]

We had seasonal stories and missions - what we need is that original start to finish full PvE RPG FPS MMO experience. Just 1 campaign.

[@Repaired-]

@@hoppingrabbit9849 is blizzard paying you money to play overwatch?

[@Sekrai]

@@hoppingrabbit9849 the pve will cost money even if its not a different title. nothing changes

[@kwiekadrian4]

I would buy packege type if it would be good for normal 3A price without hesitation, but you can't make offensive and greedy microtransactions with normal title, so I don't think blizzard will make it in package.

[@connorgillispie7128]

@@Repaired- imagine defending activision blizzard

[@Tankerrex3]

This feel like a eulogy for something that could have existed

[@TooFewSecrets]

Biggest feeling I get when playing OW is "what if"?

[@willcoxd78]

I mean, they're still doing it. 🤷 We're all just disappointed at the lack of content at the outset.

[@alecapiani]

fuck big companies, they have talented men working, but the direction is profit.

[@roarbertbearatheon8565]

No wanted it

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

Greed ruins yet another game.

[@vo1dstarr]

Thank you Seagull for giving us this perspective that we haven't heard from other creators. Its so easy for us PVP players to overlook the original vision for OW2 and be happy to be catered to, but for a large group of people, this launch is not what they were expecting. I hope Team 4 knows what they are doing and they can make both the PVP and PVE sides of the game flourish for years to come.

[@cajunking5987]

PVE lovers, who mostly only care about that and very little about PVP like myself, have been EXTREMELY disappointed so far.

[@joshuagravois6812]

@@cajunking5987 how can you be disappointed when you don’t even know what the PvE is yet lmao

[@cajunking5987]

@@joshuagravois6812 honey that’s exactly what’s disappointing

[@cajunking5987]

@@joshuagravois6812 the entire point of my comment is that we’re disappointed that everything is about PVP with absolutely 0 news about PVE.

[@briansmith2113]

@@joshuagravois6812 I think that point went well over your head lol

[@SkylightCiel]

"Overwatch 2 was built for those who love Overwatch but didn't want play a competitive FPS game" It's shocking how accurate that describes me and so many people I know. I loved Overwatch for so many years but eventually competitive burned me out so much I quit the whole game. It's crazy to think that OW2 was originally made to accommodate people like me and it's now being release as the complete opposite of that.

[@tucker8071]

what do you mean it is now being released as the complete opposite of that?

[@alpacachips7334]

@@tucker8071 the pve is delayed so it is just pvp. ty for 100 likes :)

[@joshnjericho]

Well the pve is gonna be kinda spoon fed in controlled amounts. Hopefully no strings are attached.

[@ollivainionpaa684]

But it became popular because it was competitive. That is one other problem to take note when arguing that the game should have been PvE from the beginning.

[@BigWheel.]

People liked the characters a bit TOO much. I've read into the "lore" a little bit but I don't see the appeal.

[@ninthfriend3347]

2:35 If I can recall correctly, Tracy Kennedy made a tweet about Bobby Kotick how he wasted the team so much time by giving them projects only to be scrapped. Which led to the game taking too long. So they had to get the game out at least on the PvP side. Bobby is to be blamed there mostly and given his track record recently, it doesn't surprise me.

[@thomasparkes4351]

PVE was what excited me most about Overwatch 2, making it 5v5 doesnt take away from the fact that Im tired of Overwatch 1. They left us in a content drought for too long and adding a couple maps and taking away a tank isnt going to cut it to get me hyped for it. I was pumped for the campaign and PVE modes but if they are going to release it how you described I think I'll even give that a miss unless it proves to me amazing.

[@arturcirilo7601]

Yeah for sure, like they didn't even gave us a second map for the halloween event for 6 effin years. How refresh would be to do the same thing but in other map? Something different. The first pve event as well, another map to take the payload and kill orisas...

[@bambampewpew32]

Yeah and 5v5 ended up being a big mistake and now we have supports like lifeweaver kiri and 3 immortalities in the game total

[@mrinkswitch]

"It's truly absurd, and I respect it." Lol, I chuckled.

[@jacobmitchell2085]

The whole PvE vs Ranked thing is common for SC2 too as well. There is a HUGE percentage of Starcraft players who play campaigns, a little bit of arcade and coop, and ZERO ranked. I hope they can figure it out this time, because it's a awesome base for a game and an incredible story.

[@RuffledFox]

I know I am much more excited for PvE in Overwatch for this exact reason, I am that type of players, I can play thousands of hours of gameplay on PvE games if the endgame is good while I get bored very easily of competitive games as I am not a competitive person at all.

[@thejaded]

But money bro, money..

[@Zonedoutallthetime]

@@thejaded this is what it all comes down to, money making a pvp game is MUCH cheaper and easier because you don't need to design competent AI.

[@Chesder]

Given their history over the past decade... I don't think you should hope much. Blizzard is just not who it used to be.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

I've been playing Starcraft for twenty years and almost exclusively have done campaign, custom campaigns, and arcade. No traditional PvP at all, because I just don't care for it. I was waiting excitedly for PvE for Overwatch specifically because I just find that more fun, and they don't even bother making it lol. Add on all the other BS and head scratching content removals and I just don't see the appeal. Sounds like another game for me to check on in a year to see if it's actually finished yet.

[@IgorJCorrea]

I really don't have a problem with PVP being out earlier with less content, I'm just scared for PVE, they can butcher it depending on how it's released and monetized, but we'll see next year

[@mrciro18]

The price we pay for asking a live service game. I had no problem paying $40 for OW2 if the PvE was great, but the community is bunch of babies

[@BuffNesquikBunny]

Bro anything and everything will be rushed to make ends meet. Especially w the fuckers at activision. To be optimistic about something they haven’t pulled off w be completely ignorant on the consumers part. PvP is here, not w less content, just w a shift in ideas. A lot of the ogs r gone and after the whole lawsuit shit and covid, things needed to be pushed back. Ow2 is just a dirty excuse for them to monetize the game further, which also isn’t a crime. The amount of work and love that still goes in the game is apparent. Don’t let business decisions alter ur perception of that as a whole

[@halfeimazuris6419]

Yeah as a FF14 player i know you can do wonderfull thing with this système where every patch of story is like one épisode of arcane, in other hands their is studios like Tale tale's....

[@IgorJCorrea]

@@mrciro18 Honestly we have no idea if they won't do that, they can release PVE with live service like planned from the beggining, just separating the major parts of the story in arcs. Think of it, there's no way they would end the story in the base game in the original version of OW2, they wouldn't just defeat all the villains like that, it would probably just be the first arc, focused on the null sector for example. Recently we found out they have a ninja fation in development, how is something like that related to the omnic war?? These will be totally separate things (at least I believe so), so I don't think it's bad if they release stuff as chuncks if it's cohesive. Yeah they can fuck it up but maybe it's still an x amount of dollars purchase and that's it.

[@wav3zeq]

It reminds me of halo it’s a totally different game but they released PvP early

[@daemon10101]

Man this was so well written, edited, and recorded. Top tier.

[@PEPU7]

got that blizzard polish

[@iamironclaw]

Meh, can't even spell "let's" properly (5:17).

[@shanerawlings4554]

Yeah seagull always does a good job on his videos I literally don't know how he's not more involved in game development I like watching him game but I can't help but think his overall potential isnt unlocked yet. Great video buddy

[@FrozenLemur]

I love this Seagull guy, he's just great.

[@kylepackard7499]

Also we got the vod for flats getting spawn camped

[@showery4361]

Man, he knew

[@dashbolt101s]

I agree on the quote at 3:04. I'm a casual playing for fun - I'm not good neither bad and I like some challenge for sure but I just don't like it when a game is too competitive. I loved OW until people started leaving and it transformed into that competitive thing, and I stopped playing. Hopped back on the 2 and right now I'm having the same casual fun as the first days of OW, and it feels amazing.

[@Etsa]

I remember when all the characters felt really distinct and powerful before they got changed to be more competitively fair. I miss having lock on symmetra who could melt anyone who got too close. I miss having the little symmetra nests that people were afraid of. Or pulling off a full team rez as mercy and turning the whole game around. Or spinning around as wrecking ball non stop like a madman while singing they spin me right round.

[@Atopico8]

"I'm a casual playing for fun - I'm not good neither bad and I like some challenge for sure but I just don't like it when a game is too competitive. I loved OW until people started leaving and it transformed into that competitive thing, and I stopped playing." Thank you. I was feeling exactly that when I stopped playing and I'm still not sure if I want to get back into it.

[@markschroder1663]

Perfectly said,it truly feels like the first couple of weeks of overwatch all over again

[@bean8574]

skill issue

[@MecTecher]

This. It stopped being fun once every balance change was made toward competitive.

[@davidgabel2085]

PvE was what excited me the most about OW2. The prospect of finally getting to know these characters in a story that’s told through animation, voice acting, drama and fun, and complete with a lax playground to run around with my friends in, was so enticing. I’m really bummed we’re stuck with the seasonal model for the PvE. It’s such a disappointment.

[@WeaponNine]

Same, I was super excited for PvE after the PvE events they do each season. I used to play PvP a lot and fell out of love with it, I've tried to get into it with the 5v5 but I just don't like how generic shooter it feels and I was hoping I could wait it out and just play the PvE. Sadly there's no real update or word on when that'll happen.

[@PookaBot]

@@WeaponNine yeah 5v5 feels awful and chaotic to me, and too much like other shooters. It's like they forgot about what attracted many of us to OW to begin with - the pacing and bigger teams. Hell I wanted *bigger* teams.

[@ExValeFor]

you can tell those 3 years went directly in the drain. we will get glorified archive events and if we are lucky, there's cutscenes. can't believe I was interested in this even for a little while

[@mamba7160]

if they pull it off right it’ll be similar to destiny 2 and the story will build over time each season. with some good cutscenes and boss fights it could be special I’m just hoping for the best

[@davidgabel2085]

@@BladedBear at least Destiny 2 came packaged with a full base story mode. I think that's a huge difference in this case, even if Bungie eventually got rid of that story mode.

[@notatroll9667]

it's nice to see a big creator not just ball wash the game I personally love OW2 but I am so tired of the creators who are so clearly scared or stubborn to make any criticism of the game public no matter what

[@griffincoccari9396]

is everyone just not speaking up? or is this game actually ok. They RUINED the game.

[@ovichggat]

@@griffincoccari9396 i have barely played in all honesty but it feels worse. ig 5v5 was introduced because tank wasn’t popular enough and they wanted to redesign that aspect but I don’t like how it feels compared to 6v6. To me it feels like your team doesnt work as a unit as well anymore since you only have a single tank and most dont have shields so your kinda of just there to disrupt the enemy dps instead of protecting your team. i am sure i will get used to it though. Also they ruined my doomfist so I won’t be interested in the game unless by some miracle they make him a dps again.

[@griffincoccari9396]

@@ovichggat to be fair, I don't hate it. But I don't understand why they changed amazing game? Going back to it's roots should be what it was in 2017, it was never a traditional fps?

[@Nisenziart]

@@griffincoccari9396 its literaly the same as it was, just balance changes and couple new heroes

[@weatheredseeker]

@@griffincoccari9396 or... they like the game?

[@therealzahyra]

I wholeheartedly agree. I think they soccumbed to the pressure. I want the PvE to be at my own pace. If I want to binge play it all the way to the end, I should be able to. Having it tied to the PvP seasons will just kill it for me. I was really looking forward to this story based RPG, I've been part of the playerbase asking for an RPG since I got my hands on OW and found the animations of the lore absolutely stunning. It's disappointing to think they gave up on making a complete, immersive triple A game and decided instead to publish it in pieces with the PvP seasons... they shouldn't have anything to do with one another except for voiceline references to the PvE and hero design. That was the original vision, that is how it should have stayed

Too bad it was modern Blizzard of all companies the one in charge.

[@otavioluna6433]

@ Activison Blizzard* The first name being the main culprit for what the latter has become

[@deezboyeed6764]

Well yeah, but all companies want that sweet sweets games as a service model money.

[@nicklasabrahamsson8836]

@@otavioluna6433 The people that were in the lawsuit that made alot of talent leave is their own making tho.

[@genesisosuna]

they should make it like save the world from fortnite, its own thing

[@tatuvarvemaa5314]

You dont even know how long I’ve been waiting a youtube video from you. I dont like live streams, so twitch doesent suit me. But you are great so I ofcourse want to watch you play. I hope that you make more youtube content.

[@FearlesSLaughteR1]

Peak writing, serious thoughts, credible source. Love it.

[@div8852]

I can't believe seagull really said oh btw I'm gonna predict all of the bs happening now

[@AlexDoomin]

The sentence "It's truly absurd and I respect it" is so funny to me, I love it. Great video, Seagull.

[@tianmingh]

i've honestly already forgot what was PVE gonna be about until this video, and now it's making me mourn what we could've had. i'm still going to be waiting for pve since pvp isnt something i like very much, and i don't mind waiting more at this point i guess, just hoping it finally tells me the story it promised so long ago. thank you for the video seagull!

[@RealSnarb]

I was one of those players that was looking for a PvE experience. I was really excited for PvE. For context, my friends and I routinely made the leaderboards for Overwatch 1's archives and Junkenstein missions. Every year we would wait in anticipation for the PvE content to drop, then play for hours every day. We'd set timers and stopwatches at key points to get max score bonuses. We loved PvE. It's a different kind of fun to PvP. It was disheartening to see that we weren't getting PvE at all on launch. But I really do think Overwatch 2 has enormous potential to be a great PvE platform, and am hopeful that they'll nail it. Though I am also somewhat pessimistic about how it will be monetized. We'll see.

[@katxiii3660]

Honestly, if they deliver a PvE campaign with good, not too repetitive gameplay and a decent story that actually has some character or setting development, I'll absolutely go for it. I don't think I'll be playing much of the multiplayer, but the characters and their stories are still fun and interesting to me.

[@Zonedoutallthetime]

I wish developers knew having a PvE mode helps player retention immensely when people get bored or frustrated with the pvp, they'll often just switch modes instead of closing the game.

[@stephenc7576]

But I believe PvE is coming, they just released the PvP part ahead of time so people have something to chew on while they finish up the PvE for a later release

[@katxiii3660]

@@stephenc7576 Well, yes, it is coming, but for the people who were really looking forward to the PvE, having Overwatch 2 do their whole release and it pretty much just being a big Overwatch 1 update is kinda disappointing.

[@stephenc7576]

@@katxiii3660 Honestly, that's more on those people than Blizzard, they didn't plan on launching OW 2 full anytime soon, they were aiming for a 2023 release at a minimum, the fact the we got part of the game launched already is a win in my book. Of course, if they trashed out the PvE and said "You know what, this is it, this is OW2 as a whole, sorry for the high hopes guys" I would understand the disappointment, but they essentially just phased the release, and that's ok imo. If you want to complain about the direction PvP went, it's your right as a player, but to get bummed that they didn't release something that wouldn't release now anyway doesn't make much sense.

[@johnwillardsorensen1135]

Seagull pulls up once a year on YT and still makes a more well put together video than half of OW-KZbinrs combined has brought in that same year

[@piotr477]

@@gg-kr8ws You state obvious things while trying to shame others for doing so.

[@akshayakshay2081]

Like flats he has no substance to his videos except rein good dva bad

[@frankmorris4603]

@@akshayakshay2081 you can uplift a content creator without trying to tear down another this isn't a competition

[@akshayakshay2081]

@@frankmorris4603 I'm just stating facts. He's a lazy content creator.in comparison to this video it's child's play

[@frankmorris4603]

@@akshayakshay2081 Your opinion on anyone isn't a fact at all it's nothing more than another opinion. You could have easily given props to this guy for the work he put into making the video without adding a negative and discrediting another content creator. We got tot do better

[@hanks1263]

Man I missed this yt channel so happy to have you back, look forward to running into you in OW2!

[@MegaNinjaRyan]

I really want an Overwatch PvE to play for years. I loved all the PvE missions we got in events and you can tell Blizzard excels in storytelling. Plus boss fights will be fun.

[@nutscrescent]

Just praying it’s not a seasonal thing attached to the battle pass

[@Antside]

Rip

[@jphanson]

lol

[@daftgreene9474]

Hope you stopped playing bro

[@Holesale00]

I love that this man hasn't used this channel in like a year and we get this well produced well edited informative video out of no where.

[@setamakoto]

Yes. Top 10 trending. In general, not even in gaming

[@chocomilo1628]

Unlike your overwatch lol

[@staysolidshades254]

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.dd

[@setamakoto]

@@staysolidshades254 god can suck my dick

[@roccodestefanis3759]

The way Seagull breaks down things is like no other. This, his game play, his chat engagement and his sense of humor are what make him a phenomenal streamer.

[@zSTALKn]

Casually bullying flats

[@LorcaLoca]

@Fultonian For example?

[@Theonepieceisfriendship]

@@LorcaLoca Im sure he has all their twitch names written down for you...

[@princesscadance197]

I can't help but be mesmerized at the background footage and Seagull constantly killing Flats on Genji.

[@bluasterisk]

This just reminds me of when Street Fighter V came out, it was too catered to the competitive players. Full price tag to get just 16 characters and no story mode whatsoever. Their goal was to really push the esport as a priority rather than a game that was complete for casuals too. It did eventually get a story mode later, but I didn't really care for it then.

[@JermyLerm]

I love Street Fighter, I had over 1400 hours in sf4 along with hundreds of hours in other fighting games but SF will always be my favorite. Went to major tournaments, local tournaments, everything. As someone who really only cared about the competitive aspect it still felt like a cheap cash grab, and the gameplay was quickly figured out to be momentum based guessing games. I'm excited for SF6 but it's more of a cautious optimism at this point.

[@igris6128]

Street fighter 5 is definitely an example of a terrible launch and how bad priorities can fuck up a game also no rollback plus 30 dlc characters, that game is trash

[@Jondelius]

It's amazing to listen to such a thoughtful insight on the release of OW2, when companies like PC Gamer are releasing the articles they have been. Thanks Seagull.

[@bbbbbbb51]

Do people actually even read such articles? They really feel like a relic of the past.

[@albionpewpew]

Honestly it could easily be both. Learn from Guild wars 2.

[@Malus1531]

@@bbbbbbb51 Reading is a thing of the past? Yes, I read gaming articles.

[@patrykociepka3270]

seeing the kiriko animated short yoday reminded me how good overwatch can be at its best and i hope that there will be more of thst when pve launches

[@marcusnorberg8498]

true, really missed the shorts

[@gonnsolo8506]

I wasn't expecting such a well written video just hours before the game drops. Seagull you legend

[@staysolidshades254]

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.dd

[@Trueromancee]

Very eloquently described, you gave words and meaning to this empty feeling I myself experienced when getting into OW2 today.

[@Duran8998]

"Redefine the meaning of a sequel." Blizzard's new Sequel Meaning: Its the same game but the characters you've played and practiced are now locked behind play time which is reduced with a battlepass.

[@Ω3103ζ]

oh and also all future cosmetics are locked behind a paywall, 20 quids for a legendary please!

[@thesenate6879]

Well they definitely redefined it

[@angelvital6466]

They have the upgrades my dude! Ez fix too! Get some of that PvE content and put it on the PvP. Ur gonna tell me the new scoreboard is so fun, nah man add a skill tree and a stamina bar instead of cool downs.

[@Meta9871]

You just outed yourself as someone who never played OW but okay

[@Meta9871]

@@Ω3103ζ That's the truly sad part

[@leave_yuki]

bro you explained this like you were telling a story, i fucking loved it

[@AnEveryManJack]

Perfectly summarized my feelings on the whole situation. All we can really do is wait until they do start to trickle out the PvE, but I just don't see how that's going to work successfully, and I really question at this point if it's worth waiting for. The ironic part is that I would've happily waited for all at once, but since so much has been noticably rushed, I can't help but feel like the PvE will be the same

[@ParadiceLost]

This 👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾. As a huge fan of story and RPGs, whether it's a shooter or whatever, I was really really banking on that PVE to knock it out of the park. But just like you said, I don't even know if it's worth it anymore. Still going to play but because of the rollout plans the hype is dead for me...

[@salvatore2004]

fan base pressure

[@jmoa5758]

They are hoping everyone blindly pays for their trickled out content across the next year or 2 and by the time people realize it sucks or isn't what was promised, blizzard wont care because they got your money already

[@Tabnito]

nothing is worth waiting for, time will pass no matter what.

[@salvatore2004]

@@Tabnito pessimistic view to have

[@mattcler7849]

I always imagined the “PvE” Overwatch to basically be Destiny/ Borderlands but in an Overwatch Universe. Maybe even like a Dungeon/ Instance/Raid (WoW) where you instead of open world you’re in a “City” (kind of like how DB Fighter Z & similar games have Lobbies) then you can que into instances with your party for Dungeons/ Raids but it’s Overwatch

[@jphanson]

We’ve waited many years for the sequel to the classic Seagull video.

[@Poblasai9]

Kind of crazy that Seagull's sequel has almost as much content as Blizzard's

[@faizanahmad7730]

@@Poblasai9 what do you mean almost LOL

[@SkyClears]

The Seaquel 😮

[@LordGundar1]

I remember when OW1 came out i was watching seagull play the beta no cam or anything just chilling and kicking butt. You know this review is honest because of the time dedication this guy has

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

Thanks for reminding me that we WERE promised all the things people are disappointed that they're cutting. So many gaslighters are saying they never lied, they didn't make broken promises at the start of Overwatch 2. But no. Even as late as June 2022, when OW2 was in open beta, Aaron Keller was still telling us how awesome the replayable, progression-based PvE would be. Even in June 2022 they knew that was a pipe dream. So Aaron Keller lied. They sold us a picture of what OW2 would be. They said it would be *delayed* (not canceled). And then they admitted it had been canceled for over a year.

[@superking5354]

Very nice to see someone take a well researched deep-dive into how we got to OW2. Hope to see more of this type of content from you whether or not it is OW related or just gaming in general.

[@Grimboww]

Thank you for how well researched and thought out you've made this! After putting hundreds of hours into OW, the announcement and showcases of the PvE in OW2 reeled me in hard and to see them soft launching the game as an "early access f2p" version of the OW1 multiplayer really stings. Here's hoping that when it DOES come around eventually, it's everything we hoped for and more!

[@ZincoDrone]

I feel like giving us access to a PVE side to OW2 would be so fun. I love the universe and want to become more in depth into it’s lore.

[@daftgreene9474]

Rip

[@MrChicken187]

I’ve always wanted more lore and story to this game. I love every bit of it. I used to read the online comic while I was at work. And the animated short films they put out were exquisite. I’m still hyped for ow2 and will look forward to another 5 years of playing this game.

[@shawn4819]

I'm glad you brought up that the PvE may be part of the future battle passes. I never knew they said that but I remember reading that the first 3 battle passes will be 1000 coins and I figured that meant that the 4th would have PvE and we'd either see a more expensive battle pass or different tiers of the battle pass. I'm not sure I feel good about that idea considering the prices we're already seeing in OW2

[@cuinderblockdeer4102]

I was so excited for the PVE, I’m so freaking sad they pretty much cancelled it and will not just be seasonal like archives missions. Such a freaking shame. Blizzard is such a joke

[@Adanu191]

When did they say they cancelled the PVE?

[@Goldfish1060]

@@Adanu191he saw the writing on the wall.

[@AaronMichaelLong]

I don't think they're giving up, they're just getting some revenue for a project that has, on multiple occasions, taken years of development work and balled it up and thrown it away. Also, one aspect I think you're overlooking is the pressure of meeting obligations to Overwatch League Franchisees. Embittered gamers can't sue Overwatch for letting their game die on the vine, but the moneyed up rubes who paid real cash for a OWL team can and *will*.

[@ronnysantana4155]

Beautiful video. Trully. I found myself wondering why it wasn't longer but realized the rest of the story is yet to unfold. Hoping for the best but always prepared for the worst. Much love and thank you for your insight

[@ZombieWithEbola]

Crazy how Blizz spent YEARS and an insane amount of work and time and resources to the PvE mode only for them to completely gut the entire mode. Removing the skill trees, removing the whole campaign idea with just some updates and new missions scattered in every once in a while. And it is all because Jared Neuss said in the latest Dev Chat, "it's clear that we can't deliver on that original vision for PvE that was shown in 2019." But in 2019 they showed actual gameplay and a mission, showed entire character skill trees, and now it has been YEARS since this and they are scrapping almost all of it. After 4 years of work after they have shown the PvE mode. Blizz fumbled hard on this one

[@LockDieselBeats]

Honestly didn’t see the potential of pve until now. I think the pve could be amazing and I am willing to wait for it.

[@tucker8071]

I think the point of the video is that it will never become a reality like the original vision.

[@ghoulbuster1]

PvE doesn't sell like PvP does. It will never happen.

[@ShenMerrick]

@@ghoulbuster1 Eh...PvE doens't microtransaction like PvP does. It definitely sells. You can't argue that point. Just look at things like "Left 4 Dead 2" and Dead Island series...which is basically what the are "aping" with OW's PvE concept. People eat that shit up...but they don't care about MtX in it. Wish people would grow up and stop paying for MtX at all, but you can't fix stupid.

[@willwunsche6940]

Completely agree with your points considering they only had a 12 months to make this it's impressive what they accomplished. That said it's still disappointing the lack of new content we have so far but it gives me some hope for the future

[@willwunsche6940]

@Huangism So? Other games are free and they earn/respect our time more. Why shouldn't we push for the game to be better? Especially when many of us really like this game and want it to succeed?

[@kyonshi77]

@@willwunsche6940 Its FREE. Other games earned respect your time more? You mean Fortnite respect people? I dont think so. Developers bust their asses for the community but dont require us to kiss them, they work on this because they love their jobs of making people happy. There's been a lot of a shit storm at Blizzard. Sexual scandals and court cases. Jeff leaving due to top-management decisions that he didnt agree with. Speaking of which, butthurt people should move their crosshairs to those neckties. Leave the artists of the OW team alone, nothing of this is their fault. None of them have been involved in the sexual harassement lawsuits. Also a pandemic hit the world, production pace was slowed down to a critical level. All of those elements put together could have steered a lot of big studios into developement hell and never actually release shit. But the team pull it off anyways, through drastic changes like delaying the PvE content but then making the PvP free. So among all of the shit they had to go through, you and many other could give them some slack about ''not enough content'', and this includes Seagull, as much as there's many points upon which i also agree. He does have a good look upon this but it remains his opinion and its not pristine gospel. The quality standard of Blizzard never really disappointed and even with this launch, it still shows. We could give the team a pat in the back and support them a bit more than that. No, the seasonal passes isnt pleasing a lot of people, but how about waiting to see how this goes instead of being bitchy on them?

[@jaydenfrigillana9049]

@@kyonshi77 god thank you, everyone gives them so much shit

[@localmilfchaser6938]

@@kyonshi77 I’d rather it cost money then having them implement a dumb battle pass system. Free doesn’t mean anything when a game is bad and locks heros

[@kyonshi77]

@@localmilfchaser6938 Yeah same for me, i'd have gladly paid 60$ again for that. But then people started bitching that they wouldnt want to pay for Overwatch 1.5, for the same game... But they didnt think for a fucking minute that a huge PvE part is being developed and most of the money we would have paid would have gone into this. Put this in conjunction with the fact that the most successful multiplayer games right now are the damn f2p battle royales and that of course, the neckties would steer the direction of the game that way. So to shut down brats who think they should have everything for free, they made it f2p with seasonal passes. What can you do against the whales who inject so much money into CoD Warzone??

[@sirsiver]

I just remembered about you after years and years that i forgot, it was 2016 when i watched your videos to improve my genji and man, nostalgia hit me hard when i watch those videos today. Ow was one of the funniest games for me back in the days and hooked me for thousands of hours, i dropped it around in 2018 because i wasn't having fun anymore, but i decided to give it a shot again and unfortunatly i didn't got reinvested like i was the first time i played it back in 2016. Maybe it's just because i'm older and now my tastes are different from when i was just 18yo, but i fell like the magic that made me love this game so much vanished. It's an insult to call this a sequel, i would call it more like a "massive update", that the devs made to relaunch this nearly dead brand with the least efford possible. They could do everything but they just chosed the safest way and i personally don't want to invest my time in a game that even its devs don't care about it. Blizzard is no more the same and this is just one of the many examples that shows that the gold days of this company are ended and they are just trying to sell the last scraps of what remains of their once legendary games.

[@raphu2272]

preach,

[@ihaveyourcrayola]

Seagull I want more essay style videos from you. You did an excellent job with this.

[@asparagusmelontoast]

If and when the full content is available, I'll check out the complete story. I'm not looking for tv episodes in a video game, i want a complete book i can read from start to finish

[@PridetheFallen]

2023 called and it's NOT LOOKING GOOD AFTER THE RECENT UPDATE ON PVE...

[@diogo763]

I gotta say that from the thumbnail and Title I was expecting a completly different type of video. This was incredibly well put toghether.

[@dark_matter8420]

Leave it to Seagull to make the absolute best, well-written and well-thought video about Overwatch to its core. Time and time again. Another masterpiece, and honestly a bittersweet one. I suppose we'll never get to see what could have been.

[@kieranaho]

My biggest gripe with the the game is how they changed the lootbox system to a "buy every cosmetic with in game currency" system. Especially so when you can only earn 60 coins per week. Basically just means no more cosmetics unless you want to fork over ludicrous amounts of cash.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Yep. They went down the Fortnite road. Can't say I liked lootboxes because they were a just a gamble but at least you could earn credits to buy skins. But not anymore.

[@Saben.C-Spoon]

​​@@Mr_Mistah honestly this is worse than Fortnite. people give Fortnite a ton of shit but while I have my problems with it, you get far more value than OW2 provides. a typical $20 bundle in Fortnite gets you a skin (reminder that fortnite is 3rd person), a back bling, a glider, a gun wrap (gun skin), sometimes bonuses like banner icons and wallpapers,, and usually an alternate look for all of these. Overwatch 2 gives you...a single skin. that you can't even see minus the gun. for the same price. in a hero based shooter where you won't be seeing that skin all the time because they aren't universal. the Battle Passes? Fortnite gives you about 6 or 7 sets of items with all the above mentioned things (even things typically only in bundles) as well as music and emotes. thats like 10 or so things? and there's some unrelated original things thrown in as well, and a bonus set that requires quests rather than leveling. All of these things are also noticeable higher quality than skins you find in the shop. (for example, current Season 4 has a tiny bear in a goo-mech). and to top it all off, you get all the money you need to buy the next pass in the current pass. Overwatch 2 gives you things like a namecard? there's no currency to be found, more valuable things like skins and emotes are scarce, most of it is full of player icons, sprays, and career profiles. all of this for just 2 bucks above Fortnite's passes. edit: typos

[@drunkhusband6257]

Imagine whining about skins in a free to play game.

[@Mr_Mistah]

@@Saben.C-Spoon That's true. Fortnite gives you way more bang for your buck than Overwatch 2. Maybe they'll introduce bundles in the future or lower prices. No way I'm paying $20 for a single skin. $5.00 at best

[@Mr_Mistah]

@@drunkhusband6257 It's the main form of monetization so of course people are going to criticize it. If I'm paying for something, I want what I pay for to have quality. That's not whining, that's business.

[@oscarm4095]

9:20 "Blizzard found itself at a crossroads" just as two Roadhogs cross paths. Fantastic timing and great video Seagull! I am really hoping for a fleshed out PvE experience. PvP is fun but PvE is just an overlooked aspect of gaming (discounting MMOs of course) and I'd love to see this world and its characters fleshed out even more. Sad we're starting so small but at least we finally are. Hope Blizz doesn't go the scummy route and lock PvE in battlepasses or trickle missions out at a snail's pace.

[@cranberrypanic]

good content man, love when u do these kind of commentaries

[@olotocolo]

"I'm not sayingPvE couldn't be a disaster and tank the brand" Well they did not add it and Overwatch is tanking either wa, so... good job Blizz. You played yourself

[@olotocolo]

this just in, reports say everything made for PvE in OV2 was scrapped

[@PlatinumAltaria]

I think you hit it perfectly at 0:48. Some people have decided that Overwatch isn't a MOBA hybrid, it's a plain FPS. And those people have managed to get the entire game twisted around to accommodate them. Unfortunately the shooter they always wanted is awful.

[@untelevized]

they adopted the same storytelling method as wow: major plot lines revealed per patch as opposed to in one-go (9.0, 6 months, then 9.1, etc) it's like reading 2 chapters of a book every half year until you're done

[@peterbrot5765]

After a couple of games, 5v5 was a mistake, if one healer is attacked, you have no one (if you are lucky an dps, but mostly you dont cause they try to deal dmg instead of protecting the backline, because they are made to deal damage) and if the tank goes for peotecting you, the other healer can die eaaily, cause thwy dont get protected, and id both healers stand behind the tank, than how can they heal people a bit farther away, they are also very vulnerable for attacks from 2 sides.

[@AverageJonas]

A Seagull video? We have been blessed

[@KuwabaraTabo]

Agreed lol

[@ThatGuy09890]

“So, your friends over there tell me you’ve got a really big Jonas…is that true? ;}” “Oh…..uh……..it’s….it’s really only average.”

[@dogspotter227]

Best video by anyone I've seen in a long, long time Your pace, tone, structure, dedication to gathering info, and avoidance of jargon or rambling, it's just the PERFECT summary of this

[@highonsugar6273]

Honestly I just want overwatch 1 with the new characters, having to pay £20 for a legendary skin is fucking bullshit and honestly pretty disgusting, this is not “Overwatch 2” it’s Overwatch Cash Grab

[@kalypto]

7:54 In the same reddit AMA you mentioned, Keller explained that they tripled the size of their team and split them into two groups. So one team can focus fully on PvP and the other one on PvE. Even though I agree with you on the seasonal PvE content cadence, I think this still sounds very promising. All in all very thoughtful and well written video!

[@fauxsorcier]

That's a good strategy, I really want them to succeed, the game has so much untapped potential.

[@nikeonnk]

I hope not. I dont care about seasons and battle pass... i wont get anything free by playing anymore okay sure. At least i can still play the game. If i have to buy anything to play OW2 PVE im done. I wont mind paying a new OW2 pve 70 bucks but paying 10 dollars every two mounths for drops nah fam. I hope i misunderstood this whole thing

[@envoyofrot7046]

@@nikeonnk I agree, I would 60$ for a full PvE Overwatch but not buy battle passes for dripfeeding PvE content

[@guitarhero3394]

I fall in that EXACT category of players who love tf out of the universe, but don't want to do any of the PvP anymore. It got to the point to where I only ever played mystery heroes, then went from there to only playing during the seasonal PvE events, to not even playing them at all because they now only make them available on certain days of the week during that seasonal window. If the events were all-year round then I would definitely have reason to keep the game installed, but as of right now, I don't. I miss the game to death, but it's way too full of sweaty people for a garbage player like myself to try and play with. Going in and winning 1 game, then losing 4, winning 1 or 2, then losing 5 or 6 isn't a fun concept to me. That's why I specifically wanted Overwatch 2 to deliver on what it initially promised. So for now, I'll be holding off on getting OW2 until I see some PvE content worth coming back to.

[@Cha0S_Hybr1D]

I still played PvP but mostly 3v3 or classic quickplay (and I had my fun with it) but I can see your point. I love the universe and the lore of Overwatch and I really hoped that the PvE part of the game would take me deeper into it but as of now I have very little faith left for the game :(

[@cajunking5987]

There are more people like me 😭

[@Maru4992]

This really cemented my feelings on this game. I have no interest in another live service. I'll be taking both my money an time to other games.

[@DRUKENHOBO]

Terraria just had a update, why not sink some time into that.

[@drunkhusband6257]

It's a free game lol "take my money to another game" look how mad you are over cosmetics....sad.

[@DRUKENHOBO]

​ @Drunk Husband ya i am, and the reward paths or lack there of. its only free because they have monetized it out the ass. there is also the issue of the lack of content after 3 years of teasing, no pve, and a remake of an old game mode. why support a company when every thing they have said has turned out to be a lie.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@DRUKENHOBO Game is literally free, and you still cry.....I'll gladly support a free game that is funner than a lot of AAA shooters

[@Maru4992]

@@drunkhusband6257 I said both money and time. Why play this free game when I have other games to choose from? Path of exile and apex legends great examples of free games I would rather play.

[@lifeforms7423]

I am still having fun with OW2, but I really don't like 5v5. It's too early for me to pinpoint exactly what I don't like about it yet, but it just feels bad so far. I think it's because 2 tanks gave each team more bullet sponges to kind of spread out damage. Now it feels like every hero in the game does a million dmg and it's all getting focused a lot more as well, so TTK just feels wildly off from what I am used to.

[@abdullahal-jaber5806]

I hate 5vs5 , games got very boring & playing support suck

[@akikokazama3122]

Yup x-x

[@baldeaglenor7156]

I feel like 5v5 is the biggest improvement to the game lol. I find the pacing and progression of a match is ten times better and that having a singular tank makes perfect sense, since it's easier for DPS and Support to play around. It's a lot less chaotic, since two tanks demands to much more from the rest of the team.

[@mato2677]

@@baldeaglenor7156 personally 2 tanks was what i liked about ow, i always dual tank qued with my brother and i loved the slower more tactical way you had to approach it. Now it just feels like cod with abilities

[@wizzroz4362]

What I felt too

[@krownoce0313]

I agree I think it also doesn’t help that OW league was definitely had a part in playing and making the team push out pvp sooner than they wanted because if nothing new came out about ow1 ow league would have died and needed ow2 to come revive it in my opinion I think that is why pvp came out the way it did

[@supmotto]

I got bored of OW2 after 2 weeks if the pve mode never gets released, overwatch is pretty much dead for me.

[@jodyb1095]

Lmao watching Seagull bully Flats's Genji at the end there was a lot of fun. Great video, agree with you 100%, really unfortunate the path they took with this. Hope we still get to see the PvE eventually but I'm not holding my breath. It's impossible for me to not wonder how things might've been different if Jeff had stayed on though I'm sure part of him leaving had to do with the direction they wanted to take Overwatch. I wonder how he feels about it all now.

[@Capnsensible80]

I'm sure that was a major factor. His advice for OW1 was ignored, yet he still presented a vision in direct opposition to his own and did so while appearing to be supportive of it every new update. One can only eat a shit sandwich with a smile on their face for so long, and when OW2 turned into the opposite of what he announced it as...it was probably just a matter of "enough is enough"

[@OGPure]

Extremely well put. Really nice to see a video from you, and you broke this down perfectly

[@LilypadLandings]

"It's really absurd, and I respect it" is probably my favorite line in this.

[@alcole1k178]

OW2 is a case study on how not to do marketing.

[@Silverwind_34]

Lol, i bet u know anything about marketing

[@Silverwind_34]

@@GhastlCloud775 the game's marketing isn't bad, they did something that will bring them 1m+ players

[@raidwipe]

@@Silverwind_34 and what's that?

[@Silverwind_34]

@@raidwipe releasing a big update in a form of a new game that is free that will grab new and returning players back

[@Silverwind_34]

Im case ya all forgot ow2 is a story and pve, the online is ow with updates

[@gerathen6564]

6:11 - "It's truly absurd and I respect it" lol

[@Clerkz]

This holds up now, that's for sure.

[@christopher5577]

Thank you for the research and the ability to put all this together. I’ve been screaming at other videos that fail to put a succinct time line together like this.

[@LCTRgames]

Superb video, ggs man. Great points well made, and some really nice editing to boot

[@fathertaira]

I enjoy overwatch 1.2 thoroughly! Tbh the higher focus on character mastery and your ability to play characters you enjoy really well rather than having to switch for the sake of a counter or a team composition is really nice w the 5v5 format. There’s still some really bad picks sometimes but most of the time, as long as you’re playing the character you chose really well, you can do really well.

[@brother_sothoth]

I have to say, both your analytical decomposition of the current state of the game, and your gameplay in the background, were very well done.

[@MarnoWind]

Its been so long since ive been suggested a video of yours. It almost felt nostalgic watching you again but like the others have said in the comment section, this was a well written video. Lets all see how Overwatch 2 turns out down the line as i for one am really jazzed for the PvE. The story was what fueled me in my early days playing Ow1 as it became my CoD replacement. I just enjoyed Ow1 so much more than CoD to a point where CoD was in the back burner as i sunk hours into Ow1 and all the shorts and other materials

[@CeeJay____]

This entire video has both aged incredibly well and absolutely terribly.

[@texasranger24]

The best written funeral speech for something that isn't even released yet, for a product that only could've been.

[@itsLofai]

Very well done video Seagull and the way you formatted praised and criticized was all very engaging so, awesome video! Only time will tell how the PvE mode is going to go because it is what I am looking forward to the most seeing characters be reimagined with adjusted abilities and all but will be prepared for the worst and won’t hold my breath.

[@Skuge_]

they need to make modes like battlefront 2, there is modes which are giant battles with real players and bots, massive battles with only bots or only players and short coop missions where you defend or attack objectives

[@brandonrice1403]

A huge thanks for articulating something I couldn't quite put my finger on as to why Im just so thoroughly disinterested in Overwatch 2: Even as someone that *likes* competitive shooters, I remember actually shedding tears when Zero Hour was first released because the implicit promise of that announcement is what I was excited about: That there would be payoff for my emotional investment in the game's story, characters and world. It wasn't just going to be bits in pieces in beautiful cinematics, gorgeous comics, and VO interactions that teased at something so much deeper. Instead, what we got is, something that is mostly the same (it feels better, but I wouldn't say it feels hugely different from the game Ive played for 6 years), and the PvE content is still functionally vaporware. Sure it's a point on a roadmap, but there's nothing to indicate how much of what we saw remains, or that it'll come out when they suggest it will. So they effectively shuttered development for three years to bring me three to four patches worth of polish and systemic change, and announce that they don't actually care much for the thing that I was excited about. Oh, and it's aggressively more expensive now. What a bitter pill to swallow.

[@AmateurHuman19]

I'm telling you, Seagull is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day buying water and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ And then he rode a tunnel out the door

[@DoReply420]

This is totally fake.... Seagull doesn't drink water, he drinks the salty tears of those same kids he shit on, c'mon at least make your story believable!

[@pettyking9084]

Lmaoooo really?!

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@pettyking9084 Bro 💀

[@TarrikX]

the old blizzard died years ago, they rush and ship things out the door in a horrendous state just like every other AAA company now

[@Mr_Mistah]

Obviously

[@itSUFzz]

I just hate how we didn't get any content for a year and a half and all they introduced was 3 new heros...

[@clonkex]

As well as the reworked game modes and balance. Don't ignore that; it's a critical part of OW2

[@itSUFzz]

@@clonkex That's a given right... what's the point of releasing a "sequel" if its going to look the same. However, to hold back on current game updates, skins, map and etc- for a game that's been delayed prior to the annoucement with only have 3 heros added (yes there will be more in the future) is kinda crazy. The game is about heros not maps... plus lore is kinda dawg shit

[@clonkex]

@@itSUFzz How old are you? That's not a "right". They can do what they like. As for releasing a sequel, it's not really. It's more like OW1.5. Even if it was F2P, you wouldn't have to pay again. The real sequel is in the PVE mode, which is still coming. But even considering that, I don't think it's wrong of them to advertise it as OW2. It's a pretty big change in a lot of ways. It's not just about new heroes and maps.

[@itSUFzz]

@@clonkex Nvm what I said… just played the game and it’s actually better than I thought

[@clonkex]

@@itSUFzz I'm trying to play the game but the servers are overloaded and I can't get in lol. But I'm supposed to be working so that's ok

[@maji_owo]

i can't believe how well put together this vid is. immaculate work seagull.

[@AimRobot]

The funny thing is, Overwatch 2 was mainly made to get around Overwatch 1 promise at Blizzcon, that you could earn all lootbox skins from playing. So because they sold the game on that promise, the only way to get around it was to get rid of it.

[@Anton_Jermakoŭ]

Seagull: releases a video a year. Video quality: pure condensed goodness Also Seagull: I wonder how it would have felt if they released the game as a true sequel

[@KEWL-sn6yh]

Great review and very honest to how ow2 is currently. Also that shield picture, I just felt a shiver

[@Drekromancer]

_too soon_

[@unlikelyhydra926]

To be honest they showed different types of progression in PvE for each hero in the trailer. What woulda been cool, is if they had some of that in PvP. Like each hero has a perk or a passive they can choose for their Abilities or Ultimates before the game starts. To give examples from the top of my head, Cassidy when he gets a kill with his grenade, all abilities gets a 50% cooldown reduction. Or he can choose to buff his Ult to be uninterrupted and increased damage reduction when in use. Like stuff like that. Each hero would have a different unique play styles depending on what the player chooses. This can add for casual and competitive play in the PVP area. That's just my opinion though, hope they add more stuff soon to appeal to all players. And fix that SMS phone crap

[@thomasvanderhorst4511]

that's a great idea i love perks

[@Irockman1]

It's sad the state of the industry is such that developers (or executives) feel the need to rush things out the door in an incomplete state.

[@uwu.cynostic]

it’s not just that. The dev team is great honestly; it’s just pressure from Blizzard forcing the team to have to rush things. Shame that Kaplan left because he tried to protect his team. He was a goat.

[@TehDalek]

Not only that, but charge people through the roof for "free" content

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

It’s Activision Blizzard for you

[@clonkex]

@@TehDalek Through the roof? The fact is, games cost money to make. Like, a lot of money. If they don't charge for skins or other content, they can't keep making the game. It boggles the mind when people get so angry that a FTP game locks some content behind paywalls. It's literally not possible to keep making a game for free.

[@ByeZeroo]

@@clonkex exactly, people act like this is brand new this been happening for years especially games like destiny, everyone that’s hating is gonna be playing it everyday

[@Tetragramix]

They redefined what it meant to be a sequel by not making one, and instead, just patching a new monetization system into an already functional model. There are now paywalls for content i've enjoyed for almost a decade at this point.

[@kpez3810]

Extremely well-written video. I would expect this out of a professional journalist, not a random streamer. Great work!

[@Abyssno1dad]

I disagree, most professional game journalists put hot garbage on their reviews. Give this man more respect.

[@strout2944]

Most journalists are not gamers, just as every streamer is not a gamer who understands what they are playing.

[@kombuchas4684]

Random streamer? This guy was hugely popular pro OWL player 😭

[@axonSynapse]

@@kombuchas4684 right? boy needs to put some respect on his name.

[@imsmokeyy5630]

Im very optimistic about the PVE side of the game, its seems they are actually putting in a lot of effort. PvP changes feel more like a ongoing "improvements", hope the PVP launch goes well and they make good decisions based on feedback

[@brandonw6139]

It makes sense to put more focus on PvE seeing as overwatch 1 PvP is basically done with just tweaks to gameplay and new modes

[@Digger-Nick]

Pvp desperately needs the skill tree, its boring as shit otherwise. Like playing league of legends without buying items

[@Circurose]

@@Digger-Nick You know there are tons of shooters that don't need talent tree right? And I hate Paladins for that "skill tree" buying upgrades bs.

[@redgraves4030]

@@Circurose they might not have a talent tree, but tons of shooters have different weapons to change the playstyle, so ya, they need something different.

[@Lmaokekw975]

From what I loos to me, working on the pve side is delayed and the least amount of effort put into. I hope we won't get archive events 2.0