The Steam finals were CRAZY! | Beast Cup Analysis

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Hello to folks in the year 2024! This was the first tournament we ran over a year ago. If you enjoy this, check out our playlist of other BN6 events! kzbin.info/aero/PLBZvjQiQi7Wk4tydGA4MqFhgM6fAEYQ3g And if you'd like to learn more about PVP, I made a MEGA video for newer players. Everything you could want to know 🫡 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpbEg56Zl86WeZo

[@MechanicalRabbits]

I really love the 20 second countdown. It's probably the best thing Capcom has added to the collection (besides online play). It really killed the pace when people spent entire minutes just staring at their chips doing nothing, so forcing people to actually think on the spot makes matches way more entertaining.

[@CantusTropus]

I think it should be 30 seconds but I can see your point

[@SoulXCross.]

I think a timer for each Cust menu turn is absolutely necessary and valid. I just don't like the 20 second timer. 35-40 seconds is definitely a better number so that players have more time to develop a stronger turn.

[@chimuoma390]

@@SoulXCross. I'd Murder Everyone In This Tourney With My PA Folder If I Could Transfer My Hacked Saves To This Legacy Collection!!!!5 PAs PER TURN!I'M THE CHAMP!

[@Ghostdeth13242]

​@Chi Muoma ahh yes the custom +30 ncp

[@dspawn9874]

I think demi said it once that the 20 second timer is a little short but it would be way better if you kept the chips you already selected. I do agree that as a spectator 20 second timers are nice and keeps a good pace

[@SoulXCross.]

Thank you Demi for having me on the comms with you; it was such a fun experience! Love the tournament, 10/10 would definitely cast again for you!

[@eclaire11k]

This was one of the craziest tournaments I've ever seen.. Couldn't have imagined this game would be so in depth.

[@knox7945]

The game has so much potential. And I can see this being an actual Esport if given the chance

[@projectxrapture]

​@@knox7945 it's already been in esports

[@knox7945]

@@projectxrapture in a minor setting, but I'm talking about being decently big

[@Essman614]

Battle Network has some of the most dedicated fans of any game ever. Before the collection the game was still played competitively by fans on native hardware. BN fans are a breed apart

[@ulquiorra7446]

@@Essman614 what you mean by native hardware?

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

Going BeastOver only to get denied by a split second Sanctuary was a sight to behold.

[@knox7945]

Hopefully this will spawn more interest in the PvP market.

[@scoutmasterdemi]

To newer players: I'll be continuing our "PvP Fundamentals" series soon! There's a lot to get excited about : ) You can find our Top 8 Steam builds right here: shorturl.at/uxNY6 Please @SoulXCross on Twitter if you enjoyed his amazing commentary!

[@thedoublehelix356]

Hey do you think you'll be doing these kind of videos for other battle networks?

[@scoutmasterdemi]

@TheDoubleHelix Great question Helix. BN6 is so much more balanced than the others so it would need a strong push from players for me to organize it

[@thedoublehelix356]

@@scoutmasterdemi ya I have found that bn6 is way more popular, even in the grassroots scene from before legendary collection.... I do appreciate your videos though! Not enough people are making videos that explain the meta and the niches of the chips/folders/custs. BN is a very deep game and PvP especially so!

[@vincentsissom4180]

Got an idea for a Tournament. Basically, I call it "Solar Power Tournament" where the only Chips allowed are ones with no printed Attack power, like the Gun Del Sol chips. You think this would make an interesting Tournament?

[@scoutmasterdemi]

@Vincent Sissom Oh that's a fun thought Vincent! My only thought is if there's enough chips like that to delete the opponent? You'd have a lot of folder space for defense so maybe it turns into a buster war? Would be fun to see weird chips get used though!

[@Corowku]

Watching these matches really makes me wanna jump into BN6 and battle people. Great video! Great matches!

[@scoutmasterdemi]

That makes me so happy to hear! Let us know if you have any questions, it's such a blast : )

[@chimuoma390]

@@scoutmasterdemi Too Bad You Can't Hack P.A.'s Into Your Folder Like In The Game Boy Version!

[@LAGEMA]

This was so much fun! Thanks for the invite bro!

[@CarpetSnakes]

great ending

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Huh. I never knew JudgeMan's chip had a secondary attack that's effectively one of those revenge areagrab moves.

[@nbehring09]

This was extremely fun to watch and the commentary was top notch!

[@HashiNuke]

That was just the most intense Net Battling I've ever seen. Especially that final Colonel Force from Lagema, that was just... Wow.

[@jest5837]

This was awesome! Thank you for hosting this. I'm hoping for more people to do tournaments for this game.

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Thank you Jest! I can't speak for others but this one did so well that I'll absolutely do another late May : )

[@retrospect]

Love the new Network scene!

[@thanderhop1489]

I read through the folder submissions for the players in the finals and the only chip in either folder that wasn't a staple, a defense or support chip, or a mega/giga was a single copy of Gun Del Sol 3 Q.

[@poonzor7087]

toolbox meta has been around for a while. hopefully the community can implement a banlist similar to yugioh so we can see a little more chip variety

[@RexZShadow]

​@@sirgarde2293 rather than ban set some limits. Like only x amount of chip from group a or whatever. Make people pick which of there meta chips to take.

[@thanderhop1489]

@@sirgarde2293 Problem there is that a lot of chips that were mega chips in BN3-5 became standard chips in BN6, which was one of the few things that game did wrong imo. Lots of people run Sanctuary, Life Aura, Atk +30, Double Pt, Bug Fix, and Full Cust all in one folder. Ordinarily, that would be 6 mega chips right there already. If they were still correctly designated as mega chips, people would still run them, but they would compete with your eraseman, judgeman, and elementman for utility, and they would totally crowd out hard hitting SP chips like Groundman, Protoman, and Blastman. (And btw, if the folders we're talking about lost their navi chips due to using their mega slots on sanctuary, life aura, attack +30, full cust, and bug fix in one of them, they'd be left with just 1 attacking chip: Colonel Force. Seems like a kinda sacky meta to be encouraging when your only offensive plan is having one specific chip work. It's not exactly like that of course because you get some extra offense from your crosses (especially something like slash with area grab) and your beast out charge attacks. This however is actually another factor unique to BN6 that makes folders like these possible (you can convert some of your unneeded support chips into damage using beast out). It does seem odd and sorta contrary to the folder building spirit of the BN series for your folder to be built to make your crosses good rather than your crosses making your folder good so to speak. If people wanted to experiment with a sort of "banlist" to shake things up, I would suggest starting by taking all the "legacy mega chips" and requiring that they be treated as actual mega chips for the purposes of folder building. Maybe then people would build folders with a good amount of standard chips intended to deal damage (idk, put in a bunch of aqua chips and use aqua cross, put in a bunch of cursor chips and use erase cross, etc).

[@thanderhop1489]

@@sirgarde2293 I really appreciate hearing your thoughts on this. Maybe as a thought experiment, we could theorize about how to directly counter the strategy we saw in this mirror match. If the ideas I suggest here can counter this and also just do generally well against other strategies, then I think that reflects some good overall healthiness and balance in the game. Goals: 1: Survive. 2: Deal more damage than our opponent. First, in light of goal 1, we want to analyze our opponent's offensive potential. That basically comes down to 3 things: 1: Colonel Force. 2: 5 navi chips (the big 3 and 2 more that are usually going to be harder hitting SP chips). 3: Cross charge attacks and beast out charge attacks. The main thing I notice there is that our opponent doesn't have very much offensive potential. As such, we probably don't need to run that much defense per se (since only about 6/30 chips of our opponent deal significant damage, it's not like we should feel that desperate to use invis or antidamage every turn). In light of goal 2, it seems like we get better value by trying to suppress our opponent's offense with our own offense rather than running more defense than our opponent's offense calls for. Idea 1: Run anti navi and beat. Countering navi chips like this proportionally affects our opponent's offense more than usual when they don't run very much else. Idea 2: Focus on cross breaking. We want to bring a decent amount of chips that break the most offensively dangerous crosses. These are basically all the gregar crosses (maybe the fire crosses are the least dangerous, but they have double the representation). We don't want to only plan for fighting gregar even though that's how this thought experiment started, so we'll also mention tomahawk (2x3 charge attack is dangerous with just 1 areagrab, and the status guard is extra reason to plan for this), and we also want to bring cursor chips if we can since they break traps and falzar has 2 breaking crosses (I would say this is of secondary importance). If we break our opponent's crosses, they start running out of offense very quickly. Idea 3: Run a good amount of HP. We probably need at least +800 or +1000 in the navicust to avoid getting sacked by colonel force. If we have the more offensive strategy, we want the battle to go the distance so we have time to prove it. Idea 4: Run slow gauge. If our opponent runs triple invis *, we want to not let that stall out an entire turn. We also want to have time to use our buster to bait out anti damage so our chips aren't blocked. We also want to invest in our buster so our cross charge attacks also deal good damage to complement our use of slow gauge. I do find it interesting looking at the folder submissions that one player ran double slow gauge while the other ran double fast gauge. Interesting stylistic difference despite running similar folders. Idea 5: Given our more limited space for staples, prioritize field control over defense. No matter what, we still have to avoid getting areagrabbed and beaten down early by cross charge shots or colonel force, and we have to deal with sanctuary and life aura. Therefore, we need to bring our own areagrabs, grab revenge, panel breaking (in case we need our elementman * for something else), wind racks, etc. However, we probably don't need to bring triple invis and triple anti damage and stuff like that.

[@driumissimo]

Yeah the community already killed this, everyone is running the same shit. Would be nice to see banlists targeting the top 5 meta decks specifically to push for variety.

[@narutop2244]

This is dope, we need this game in EVO

[@theguardianarchives433]

💯

[@NTH_SR]

Those were some crazy matches! So much to learn!

[@MushySR]

true

[@LightningFear]

So glad I witnessed it live on stream. Was an amazing and fun tournement and I can't wait for the next one. Thank you very much for organizing such an event!

[@solidussnake1906]

have no idea whats happening, just numbers flying around to me but it's cool to see people get hype for such an old game.

[@scoutmasterdemi]

That is SO understandable! I'll be continuing our "PvP Fundamentals" series to help break all the complexity down!

[@davidgood840]

Same. Just playing MMBN1 for the first time now and I can't follow what's happening here lol

[@scoutmasterdemi]

@@davidgood840 Check out the rest of our series! I make videos to break down PvP in less complicated ways : )

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

I haven't been this hyped watching a gaming tournament in ages. This was intense!

[@ginia100]

this turnoment was so much fun to watch! i cant wait for the next one! Im so hyped to see demi for several hours a day!

[@hakimalam7753]

Man that was fun, I hope this can get more attention for competitive scene

[@NoBodyUKnow100]

What exciting matches! I'm surprised at how similar and yet very different the competitor's styles were. With the LC out, I'm hoping I can do more PVP when back in the day I couldn't and learn things I hadn't before.

[@werti4894]

awesome set of games, was on the edge of my seat the entire time!!!

[@gat0]

This was so dope to watch, GG's 🎉

[@bluwzrdphone]

That's awesome, I look forward to entering the next one!

[@Nofappingh0es]

SoulxCross is such a dope Bn commentator. Always brings the hype to the matches.

[@SoulXCross.]

Thanks bro!! That really means the world to me!

[@neoshenlong]

This makes me think we should have more esport focused turn based RPGs. Of course we have Pokemon but we could have a bunch more.

[@RamenRiderX]

Once Digimon TCG gets an online client its over.

[@BARBERSHOPP]

Insanity! Now pit the winner vs. secret final boss Thiago!

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Thiago is SO strong! He actually competed in our Switch tournament and got far until internet issues kicked in : (

[@pecoseem7164]

Never played pvp on battle network but as a teen I pvp on starforce. They need to remake those

[@hakimalam7753]

Star Force 3 pvp about to be wild, Noise system is so good.

[@NDUB10]

I hope there are more tourneys. This was fun to watch.

[@ToiletPkay]

this was hype asf, love how the megaman battle network collection turned the competitive scene alive

[@scienceteam9254]

55:45 One step from eden actually gave them the opportunity to rerelease battle network because eden reignited the market.

[@jonte6540]

More of these!!! The hype

[@thejamiriley]

Your energy is the best!!

[@scoutmasterdemi]

JA'MI!! Thank you!!!

[@Aluran]

I WAS THERE AND I CLIPPED THAT MAN LEGEMA IS A BEAST

[@tatiz111]

Gonna have to re watch this stream i missed it cry😢

[@Hedgehog_Ninja]

Saaaaame

[@enriquevaldesmedina]

Off topic. New subscriber. But just wanted to ask if you have a video or something about your collection for Battle Network? It looks awesome and I’d love to have a look-see. Cheers!

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Oh goodness, thank you for asking! I'm a really intense chip collector and I'd LOVE to talk more about the things I've gathered hahaha! I appreciate your interest : )

[@vladventura1928]

Guys small question, what kind of netcode is the PvP using? I vaguely remember BN was gonna use Rollback but I'm not sure

[@grimsleeper653]

I'm going to buy a switch just to get this game to play with you guys.

[@AzemSP]

For future stuff like this It be cool if you gave us more info on each players build. Id like to know their Navi custs, their decks, etc

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Actually it's pinned to the top of comments! Take a look : )

[@s7121n9s]

I cannot wait to get finished with bn6 and get all the chips so I can really get into pvp

[@scoutmasterdemi]

And we can't wait to have you! It's a TON of fun! : )

[@theguardianarchives433]

LAGEMA goes in I remember battling him back in the day

[@epicnerf1]

SoulxCross commentary? Lets gooo

[@SoulXCross.]

If you're playing BN, then I'm your boi! I'm here for it all bro!

[@mirahsan2]

I hate how capcom didn't include side games in their collections, 4.5 real operation was ahead of it's time

[@syrelian]

4.5 Real Op is an amazing game, but its inherently incomplete without excessive editing, since it was designed for the Chip Gate

[@vanidy0115]

colforce ain't gonna sugarcoat it

[@BlueTurn]

Love seeing pvp for 6 while im still playing through 3.

[@itranscendencei7964]

What track is playing in the background? It's one of the best in the series and I just can't remember which one it is.

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

It's the N1 / Ranked Battle Theme from Battle Network 3

[@scoutmasterdemi]

It's called Great Battlers from BN3! The specific mix is from Kokiremix on KZbin : )

[@itranscendencei7964]

Thank you guys!

[@ashinothulung3604]

From which games are those battle chips from??

[@scoutmasterdemi]

This is all Battle Network 6! If you're ever interested in multiplayer PVP, it's the best one for that by far : )

[@kobefan2472]

Where do you guys mostly play? Steam? i wish it were crossplay but just glad its back :)

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Hey Kobe! For Legacy Collection most play on Switch. If you're on PC most play on Tango which enables rollback net code and 100% saves. Let me know if you have other questions!

[@kobefan2472]

@@scoutmasterdemi im playing on my oled switch i wish i could play on pc but i have a mac but still possible with paralells its great on switch tho! i could only imagine the fun with some mods and ppl to play with :)

[@zeronamagem8617]

Never have battled a real person before since nobody I knew played BN, I bought the legacy collection just so I can try PVP. Almost done with 6 then I'll start looking things up. Hope there's people to play on switch.

[@scoutmasterdemi]

There absolutely are Zero! Switch is the most popular LC platform, hope to see you around so we can answer questions : )

[@nintendokings]

Amazing!

[@zetsun0]

Sorry, new here, but what are the online differences between the new LC and the old gba games?

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Hey Zetsun0, great to meet you! The biggest difference is an unfortunate one: the 20 second chip timer they implemented is just way too short

[@DBest18]

Hey man! How much would you sell that Plug-in PEt In the back?

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Hey D! Unfortunately I wouldn't sell my boxed one. I do gave an opened blue Plug In however. Hit me up on ebay, I upload new 99 cent listings every Monday for Battle Network! www.ebay.com/usr/demidyourmc_twitch_streams

[@carlmcbrode4837]

Im curious how they have all the chips when it barely just came out for switch, ps,xbox, and steam

[@BananaReidy]

Two nerds battle it out for the title of the steamestt virus buster.

[@04alvas]

Where is the plug for the N1 ?

[@bobosstroll9798]

These people would get wrecked in switch lobbies lol

[@MrVariant]

1:00 wild card * chips are legal? I hope there's a mode some day to limit but I know people want as many battle chips played as possible in a turn.

[@VioletSteel13]

That sanctuary saving non stop from Geddon blew my damn mind

[@Nofaz]

Steam or switch version is the best for the mmbn legacy if you want to play pvp? I love this game.

[@scoutmasterdemi]

That's a hard question to answer. I can tell you that Switch is a lot more popular for finding opponents (we had 48 Switch players in our tournament compared to 27 Steam), but PC is great too!

[@Nofaz]

@@scoutmasterdemi thanks for the reply but one more question, can we play against player with different version? For instance gregar vs falzar version.

[@scoutmasterdemi]

@@Nofaz Absolutely! It's a lot of fun to see what your opponent does with a different set of abilities

[@rossofinale]

I haven't played BN in years before the collection came out and didn't know there was a competitive scene but I've been watching videos lately and wanted to ask, why do people not just use the Mega Buster to remove the Anti-Dmg the opponent might have?

[@aegisslayer5808]

The Mega buster by itself does not proc the antidamage, only charged shots.

[@GOGOROBOv2]

hype hype hype

[@alfredoarellano6606]

Never followed the pro scene for this but why is the casting so biased for Nonstop? Kind of even feels like they are more upset that Nonstop lost then Lagema won.

[@jorgelumill158]

Nonstop's read and counters were on point. Chef's Kiss.

[@Littelfighter17]

Which nt game is good in the collection to Start and it is true there is a rank system? I want buy it for the switch in the future.

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Start with BN2 if you've never played! BN1 is not very fun IMO

[@Littelfighter17]

@@scoutmasterdemi thanks

[@justlearning1881]

Would love a Stylized 3D megaman FPS,

[@Kyvinn]

So are people mostly playing, what is this? Six? I wanna play multiplayer but 2 is my favorite but haven't seen a lot of multiplayer on that one

[@scoutmasterdemi]

This is BN6 yes! It's by far the best multiplayer experience. BN2 is a fun game for single player but possibly the least balanced for PvP unfortunately

[@ByakuganWhite]

I hate how this guy moves on the chip selection screen . Bouncing around like he's having a seizure. I don't know whyI hate it. It's very petty. But this was otherwise a great watch.

[@Xenohaste]

Now that done with the xenoblade 3 dlc I need to hurry and finish bn6 so i can play in these! Also quick question why even have the steam version isn't that just playing the N1 with extra steps?

[@RexZShadow]

Because it will have way higher player base because it's on steam.

[@cobeoe]

I couldn't do it I really wanted to but I couldn't participate sadly

[@jamiele296]

Idk what’s going on how do I get into pvp

[@TayoEXE]

This is one e-sport I don't mind watching.

[@JuanRamirez-xs2ko]

Was this played on the switch?

[@scoutmasterdemi]

This was the STeam tournament finals, tomorrow I'll upload the Switch finals!

[@DrRobGilles]

Is anyone willing to compare libraries? I’m on ps5. Looking for a falzar player ideally to get mega chips.

[@yoyoprofessorxavier]

The strategizing is really cool to watch but I'd probably just cut the part of chip selection because those parts are so drawn out and boring.

[@CYBERBEAST21]

How can I play this??!

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Hey Augio, can you explain your question?

[@aceventura9841]

which battle network is this?

[@scoutmasterdemi]

This is BN6! I make videos going over lessons for new players : )

[@fatherofrose4027]

Are they on pc or switch? How tf they get their chips that fast xD

[@syrelian]

"Steam", PC version, and the answer is collaboration and guides for collection

[@fatherofrose4027]

@@syrelian yeah collaboration with mods

[@syrelian]

@@fatherofrose4027 Nah, the N1GP is buddies with the major English Speaking speedrun community for the BN Games, so we're just drowning in guides for stuff like All Chips across the games, alongside other useful ones, throw in people doing trades and its not that hard to build a library fast, especially if you don't spend time clearing 1-5 first like most casual folks are doing

[@nosajsamaniego4512]

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[@nosajsamaniego4512]

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[@pres002]

Pc has too many cheaters.... Pass

[@nosajsamaniego4512]

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[@nosajsamaniego4512]

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[@glitchedpixel3378]

Was there a chip ban list or something? Because these chip folders are poorly built. Also, I didn't want to play through 6 in time for this tournament but I wish I did because it did not look like either of these players knew what they were doing. Maybe I didn't understand the rules or something but both these players needed to be way more aggressive

[@fatherofrose4027]

Oh nah they definitely ruined online player with the timer and damage gauge

[@scoutmasterdemi]

Damage gauge isn't new but the timer is absolutely way too short.... Even an extra 10 seconds would be huge

[@syrelian]

Damage Judge is actually a vanilla feature, that was how the game always worked, the Custom Timer is painfully short though, 10-20 more seconds would help a lot

[@iroison]

i feel like the 20 seconds is good 3 turns taking a min for customization is good where as 30 seconds for two turns nah

[@syrelian]

@@iroison As someone who has played a lot of PvP before the collection came out, 20 is very much too short, 30-40 is more appropriate considering that you're pre-planning an entire turns worth of interactions, including predictions Solo play, 20 would be fine(but pointlessly frustrating), things are simply and clean and most of the time your hand prep is just figuring out how you wanna deal damage, with minimal defensive planning, but its not the same for PvP

[@YourACun..t]

This is pissing me off how everyone out here PvPing and I can’t get a single match anywhere in the world or is it all private

[@SoulXCross.]

Check out the N1GP!! There are tons of players play BNLC there!

[@furkankocaman356]

This tourney was so much fun to watch!!