The Steven-Connie Fight Was Angsty Trash

I go over several reasons why I think the story told in Dewey Wins, Gemcation, and Kevin Party was executed poorly.
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[@AstralTaurus]

The dude sacrifices himself, almost dies, comes back only to get chewed out by his best friend and get his lion stolen. feelsbadman

[@aiiiia9971]

Astral Turtle ikr this is blatant Steven-torture.

[@AstralTaurus]

It felt like character assassination. Undeserved character assassination

[@b_llets1998]

I was waiting to see someone to say that my guy whole dead lion was stolen for a week

[@katherinedayannadiaz3334]

i agree with everything except connie didn't steal lion. lion is not a thing, and steven doesn't own him. he can be wherever he wants. but, yea it was kinda stupid that he stayed with connie :/

[@exactleader56]

Astral Turtle dont forget, she stole the only transport from earth to homeworld, like steven cant even check in on lars like what

[@NICKtendoReviews]

Now I realize this was a classic “if the characters had just talked to each for a few more minutes the entire conflict would have been avoided.” You’ve made me dislike this arc even more.

[@antoineatterbury4487]

NICKtendo and this made me realize something that I've always not likes about Steven: he has very mixed priorities, I mean the only times when we get major plot progression and Steven asking questions is when it's inevitable and it's really frustrating and makes it seem like he doesn't care about the homeworld issue unless he can't avoid it anymore. I mean, do you know how much more character development and plot development and better pacing we could get if Steven actually asked more questions when it's not mandatory.

[@cameoshadowness7757]

Antoine Atterbury Exactly!

[@brunolinares604]

more like, if he stayed in his house, we could have saved like 3-4 episodes lmao

[@adriat2964]

NICKtendo but isnt that true for alot of conflicts in life?

[@bobbyh2720]

NICKtendo to be fair that's the whole point of the arc and its message, that most issues in life you have with your friends could be solved if you cut the bullshit and just talk to eachother

[@MarshallLeeA]

Connie: Why didn't you take me with you. Steven: Well, Lars died in space, you could have died too. Connie: Oh, ok.

[@ZbJeeBies]

Marshall Lee the thing that hits me the most is that he says "lars got hurt" instead of saying "he died". connie would have been even angrier, or hurt, even shocked. what even are emotions in this show

[@redgeoblaze3752]

Connie: "Why didn't you take me with you" Steven: "I wasn't going for a fight. I wasn't planning on coming back."

[@Kekkersboy]

That's not really what it's about. Connie was training to be Steven's partner. To fight at his side. And Steven unilaterally decided for the whole group that he'd give himself up. He devalued his partner. How can you fight alongside someone that from your point of view doesn't see you as a valuable asset?

[@nuibaba280]

Nah, that's unrealistic Steven and Connie both made a promise and did so much together. How could Connie NOT be hurt that Steven was quick to push that to the side? Steven's not entirely in the wrong though since he did it with good intentions. This arc manages to make them even closer and help Steven understand other perspectives like Connie's more.

[@justbny9278]

Marshall Lee Connie: Oh shit,He Died? let's go talk with his parents they NEED news of him!

[@Birdyboys]

Hey remember that episode where Connie learns a lesson about how it’s better to vent out your frustrations rather than bottling your problems up inside? Glad the writers forgot that for bad angst!

[@burntcinnamon1735]

ArtandJunk Connie did say what her issue was Steven just didn't listen to her.

[@Birdyboys]

Miss Ani Making a statement and being dismissed and then just running off isn’t properly communicating, it’s Connie being entitled because someone didn’t immediately agree with her

[@robokill387]

that's not even true, "venting" only makes you more angry in the long run.

[@hobojo153alt4]

No it doesn't. By it's very definition it's letting your anger out so you can get back to calm.

[@KhayJayArt]

ArtandJunk they seem to throw out a lot of character development for the sake of conflicts or twists that make no sense.

[@jtothepmoreno1010]

“My Gemical Romance” pfft lol

[@an_alienwashere]

Jean-Pierre Moreno I like their album “The gem parade”

[@12Marxzero34]

Jean-Pierre Moreno I read that as genital

[@spkd_np]

My favorite album is three cheers for sweet regem (this is coming from an MCR fan)

[@AWolf_Soul]

Nothing like their classic song "Welcome to the Black Pearlade"

[@zachbohemian]

Smells like Gem Spirit by Stevana

[@AstralTaurus]

I never got why lion even went with her. I get that they have a bond, but lion has a stronger bond with Connie than with Steven aka Rose? The gem that resurrected him? STEVEN's Lion?

[@AstralTaurus]

You don't just take someone else's lion :/

[@jacksmith2582]

Lion has a mind of it's own. He does what he wants when he wants. Lion doesn't listen to Steven all of the time. Remember when Steven jumped off the temple house porch to have Lion catch him? I don't remember Lion catching him lol!

[@AstralTaurus]

Jack Smith i still dont get Why he decided to leave. Is lion just an asshole?

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

Astral Turtle ikr that bothered me

[@djmeagaaim17]

Astral Turtle It was bad writing, simple as that

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

Crawling in my craaaawl These crawl they will not craaaawl

[@cameoshadowness7757]

🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛

[@phantomdragon3893]

👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾

[@coffeejohnny2337]

Craaawl is how I craaaawl

[@jimmyjohnjoejr]

Craa-aaaaawwwwlllll

[@tacticaltoastofficial]

CRAWLING what is CRAWL

[@Miglohara]

When the thumbnail is better than the arc itself lol

[@TheRegart]

I read this Yakkos voice. 😀

[@kirbytheartist3318]

I like how even though you really love this show, you still are not afraid to criticize it, that's what I love about you Pieguy, keep up the great work. EDIT: Wow I never got 100 likes before, thanks everyone :)

[@nightowl8477]

Kirby the artist - he loves it? Huh. Move for the show died with Season 4. And Seaon 3, actually. People forget how awful that season was.

[@kirbytheartist3318]

nightowl What do you mean?

[@thebrainnameditself9530]

"Cus when you truly love something, you smack it in the face and say hey, get your SHIT together!"

[@kirbytheartist3318]

The Brain Named Itself LOL

[@AJ-The-Bumblebee]

Oh my God, Steven Universe having an interesting concept and instead of doing something with it, they end up doing nothing, tease all the time of what could happen but never gets to the point till the last second, and decides uninteresting side plots are more important than any actual character or plot development for the main characters? Wow, for this show, that's almost- Common.

[@urahara64360]

The Slinky Kid so true. I really think this show is an overrated slog. It's been a long time since it was any level of good.

[@stonefree7973]

Which is why I dropped it a long time ago. It's an incredibly overrated slogfest with a fanbase full of fanboys.

[@urahara64360]

As bad a slog as it is I can't just drop it. I'm a completionist I have to see it through to the end

[@shiteyanyo1111]

The Slinky Kid The annoying schedule only makes everything worse 🙄

[@Stew91]

@urahara64360, What do you mean the show hasn't been any level of good in a long time? Did you not watch Can't go Back and A Single Pale Rose, or the last five episodes??

[@sprint7412]

My main problem with this arc was that Steven's side of the argument about him sacrificing himself to save his friends wasn't explored and just right away was made to look like Steven was completely in the wrong. It felt like the show was telling me one person's feelings mattered more than several people's lives.

[@djmeagaaim17]

Megan Evans That is because this show likes to Tell, but not show anything.

[@nuibaba280]

Nah, it's just Connie feeling a bit insecure since Steven broke the promise of them sticking and fighting together for her well being. They're both right and wrong in different ways.

[@sprint7412]

ヌイババNuibaba I know both Connie has a right for being upset and that Steven was right for wanting to protect everyone, but the way of how the arc was written made it seem like Steven was wrong and not at all right.

[@nuibaba280]

He was right and his reward for being right is several people being alive, he just shrugged off the bad parts and treated it like it was nothing. This arc helps him understand Connie's perspective, severely improving their relationship.

[@sprint7412]

But the crewniverse never explored both sides of the argument and by not exploring both sides it made it look like Steven was in the wrong.

[@cordyceps7531]

Yes someone else who thinks the Steven and Connie conflict was absolute Garbage.

[@feraflauna3238]

+Jay Sherard-It was utterly pointless (probably just done in order to stall for time) and didn't make a lick of sense. I still can't even comprehend over just what Connie was so angry with Steven about.This entire storyline hinges on that Connie was right and always had a point-it was Steven who was always in the wrong. . .Lion even glares at Steven before taking off with Connie for a few weeks-even Lion believes that Connie is in the right about this too. . .Except, Connie is full of shit. . .For all intents and purposes, Connie is just snippy that Steven didn't take her to Homeworld with him. She's upset that she got sidelined and was forced to stay behind on the "adventure"/Steven's sulk suicide mission that actually got Lars killed and stranded over there to where he could still be executed, or far worse, by fascist, genocidal alien dictators. Instead, she spouts some B.S. over how if Steven and her fused, things would've been different (but given that Aquamarine was able to take out Alexandrite in one fell swoop, what TF was Stevonnie supposed to do against a Topaz fusion and an overpowered fairy and NOT have things turn out exactly the same anyway?) and that Steven somehow doesn't trust her or believes she is useful. . .Something Steven never claimed to believe, never remotely told her, and never gave Connie an indication he even felt that way. And that wasn't ever the issue that was clearly presented even to Connie. . . Steven made a dumbass decision he barely thought out or considered-but he made that decision out of his heart to protect the people he cared about. He was stuck in a difficult situation where several of his loved ones could be taken to the Zoo or killed. All options to retrieve and save his loved ones ended up in utter failure. So he made a decision to protect the people he loved. How TF this had anything to do with somehow not trusting or believing in Connie enough (despite that their relationship SHOULD BE and HAS matured far past that point with the series to where they shouldn't be doing this petty BS). . .search me. . . Greg even muses later on that Connie is just frustrated with what happened, that she wasn't able to protect Steven when it mattered, and is just unintentionally taking it out on Steven. . .No fucking shit. . .It would have been far more preferable if even though Connie was still angry about what happened-instead of lashing out at Steven, she resolves and demands Pearl to train her harder than she ever has before-pushing herself beyond the physical brink to where Steven notices and grows increasingly alarmed. . .But. . .no. . .Connie is supposed to be in the right in this dumbass and petty squabble that doesn't remotely matter (especially because she's still aware LARS IS STRANDED ON HOMEWORLD. . .) and that somehow, Steven is a massive prick. (Which he is, but not in the way Connie claims he is. . .) Kevin's Party tries to BS it that Connie tried to talk to Steven straight afterwards but somehow they "kept missing each other". . .conveniently. . .:/. . .And she wanted to apologize for how she behaved. . .Which she was always in the wrong and always SHOULD HAVE apologized for being a petty brat and throwing a tantrum about how she missed out on a grand adventure. . .when Steven nearly died and someone she knows (Lars) actually did die and is currently stranded on a hostile alien run by genocidal dictators. . .But. . .Lion still stayed by her side-where Steven put up posters that Lion was missing-and she never even bothered to text Steven that she was going to come by with Lion and they do need to talk. . .So Connie gave the bare minimum effort to talk this out at all. . .And it's still Steven who somehow HAS to be the one to give the major apology for being in the wrong about. . .I dunno. . .trying to save his girlfriend's life at all costs. . .

[@giovanniorellana2200]

But Kevin, I'm your biggest fan! XD

[@shrektheogre4349]

*Gets Stung* “Wa wa waaa”

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

Giovanni Orellana 😂 Kevin's the best character

[@godhimself1128]

Hiiiiiiiii Kevin.....

[@Bopperann]

Keeeeeeeeeeevin.

[@Alloutgamer-ur8vu]

Lol protomario reference

[@mechajay3358]

I felt the whole conflict between the two was stupid to begin with. They should've said what they felt and just make up, this didn't need to be dragged on for multiple episodes.

[@zackrose6261]

But you also have to put this into your mind, THEY ARE KIDS XD

[@zackrose6261]

Kids are dumb as shit when it really matters.

[@gothbat676]

The creators must have been having trouble developing an idea for a feasible subplot, so they half-assed that silly arc in

[@ethanr9514]

Zack Rose so? Isn’t the whole thing with Steven is he helps people and shows his feelings. He’s suppose to have matured at this point.

[@deathxanamon7211]

Zack Rose not these two or at least not Connie

[@CrowRider1999]

A big problem with this arc is that we don’t see much with Connie- and that’s a problem that kind of fades in and out with the show as whole. I get that it is literally titled “STEVEN universe”, but we could’ve at least had a side-by-side scene of how Steven and Connie were dealing with this. It honestly would’ve worked with Full Disclosure, too.

[@livingdeaddollsjunky9543]

Crow Rider hey Arnold is called hey Arnold but we still get helga episode and so many other cheaters have their own episode so they same should apply for SU

[@carmena.gonzalezrios8372]

Crow Rider the problem with it, Is that everything thus far has been told from Steven’s perspective, there hasn’t been a single episode in which he doesn’t stars in.

[@tayojones9460]

carmen a. gonzalez rios Letters to Lars was the worst example of inserting Steven in the narrative of an episode. Steven DID NOT need to narrate to Lars. Just let the zombie read the letter on his own. Seeing Steven read the letter at the end really pissed me off!!!

[@Caught_You200]

They attempted this Once with the New Crystal Gems, but it was literally set up so Steven was there and asking Connie about what she did while he was gone.

[@kakashihatake313]

형아시로 yep, so Steven still HAD to be there to be to told what went down when he was gone from beach city.

[@Psychicduelistrbd]

since I never really liked Connie I hated this arc a lot, she is meant to be smart but she doesn't seem to understand what is really going on around her, she came out kinda selfish.

[@djmeagaaim17]

PokePony What problems do you have with Connie's character?

[@jamiethomas3768]

djmegaaim17 everything.

[@RemKoshmar]

One thing noone seems to touch upon is WHY Konnie KEPT Lion with her?! For weeks?! Sure, she used Lion to go back home, but it's not like Lion takes long to travel to and from. Lion isn't even hers to keep, heck, he's barely Steven's with how independant Lion is sometimes, so it really strikes me as odd that Lion even stayed with her for that long without going home. She must've actively asked Lion to stay with her for some unknown reason. Yeah, she mentions she took Lion to his place (once), but he was gone vacationing, but that still is no reason; 1. How did she know she'd need Lion for this days (or weeks) prior to when she needed him? 2. She could've visited him the old fashioned way, it's not like he's in space or anything. She didn't *need* Lion for this. 3.a Why didn't she leave Lion behind after the visit? 3.b Or just asked Lion to find steven if she really wanted to talk to him? She didn't know Lion was important like he was, probably, sure, but we still have no good reason given to us on why she kept Lion with her when Lion isn't even hers? That's just the cherry on top of this whole mess of an arc for me, honestly.

[@stargys9080]

LethalAuroraMage I honestly thought that it was Lions choice to stay with her. Lion is pretty smart, hes helped Steven when hes in danger so im sure Lion knew Connie was upset. You can see as well that Lion wasnt too happy with Steven either, he walked off with Connie. So yeah, I think he just voluntarily left with her

[@RemKoshmar]

KZbin Whiner Connie* Happy?

[@nuibaba280]

Lion chose to stay with her, simple. He likes both Connie and Steven.

[@nuibaba280]

+Gao Mikado I'm not obligated to follow the herd because I like something that you don't. It didn't need five episodes but this arc developed Steven and Connie's relationship. Tough luck.

[@RemKoshmar]

ヌイババNuibaba You said Lion chose to stay with her, but my issue lies with the fact that we did not get a proper reason as to why he chose to stay with her for *weeks* without returning home. People can suggest ideas or theories as to why, and they could be good ones too, but it still won't change the fact that this is something the show itself overlooked and it bothered me. You're free to not take issue with it as much as I did, but I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't hand wave it off, just because it didn't bother you. It's ok to like a show and also admit that it can have flaws. c:

[@tayojones9460]

The writing in this arc was poor. Simply poor. What were the crew thinking when they made this arc? They wasted so much time on this conflict when they could have focused on the fallout of the abduction, Lars's parents and their reaction to their son being taken and turned into a space zombie, the gems reaction to the abduction, Steven reflecting what happend on HW and maybe a scene where connie contemplates her fallout with steven. But no. We did not get any of that. Your video just reminds me why I disliked the handling of the fallout of the abduction and why I dislike Steven. He never thinks about HW or gem issues unless he has no choice. You cannot ignore this stuff anymore!! This is why I like SPR, because now there will (hopefully) be no more secrets between the cast and they can properly talk things out, because they have been putting it off for too long.

[@djmeagaaim17]

Tao Jones T.jones This arc made me start to dislike this show as whole, i still like it (somewhat), but i think this show has become rather sub-par to mediocre now. However i am now no longer excited for things in this sow anymore

[@gothbat676]

They must have been running out of creative fuel lol

[@gothbat676]

What is SPRF?

[@stonefree7973]

Tao Jones T.jones What's SPRF?

[@stonefree7973]

Tao Jones T.jones The things you listed are why I dropped this show a long time ago. And a lot more reasons.

[@zachanikwano]

*_"And whether Connie was right or wrong doesn't really matter so much as her feelings were hurt and she feels like Steven betrayed their partnership."_* *Rant incoming* This. This right here is why I hate this arc so much. Connie's feelings are not more important than the fact that Steven's sacrifice saved everyone's life (even Lars', in a sense). Sometimes sacrifices have to be made to save people. Steven and the Gems know this. Connie should know this. I remember getting so mad when Connie said that Steven just "gave up." No. None of you just gave up. Everyone (sans Lapis and Peridot) tried to defeat Aquamarine and Topaz -- tried to save the humans -- and they failed. Plain and simple. When Steven gave himself up, everyone was at Aquamarine's mercy. Like you said, a three-gem fusion couldn't beat Aquamarine, what could Stevonnie accomplish? How would Steven manage to free everyone from Aquamarine without getting immediate, lethal repercussions? One wrong move and people were going to die. Yes, Steven should be more attuned to the feelings of his friends and family, but he made the right decision. His family seem to realize this and moved on, thankful that it turned out the way it did. Connie should have realized this and not acted so childish and narrow-minded. It's like, all she cared about was the fact she and Steven didn't fight some more. Not to mention the fact she took his mother's sword and Lion, who was Steven's only way to contact Lars. A little girl's hurt feelings and egotistical need to fight alongside her alien bestie is childish, immature and selfish. Her need to fight with Steven blinded her to the fact that they were out of options. If this arc had better writing, maybe it could be a whole thing where everyone tells her off for it, teach her a lesson about war, and be thankful that Steven's choice turned out so well. Overall this arc was poorly written, poorly executed and justified the teenage girl who was in the wrong.

[@rhashadhawthorne7217]

This arc made me dislike Connie because I realized she wasn't actually upset that Steven betrayed her: moreover, she was upset Steven went on an adventure without her. For example in another episode Steven called Connie to hangout and she was gun ho about it until she found out it wasn't a mission and told Steven she had to go shopping with her parents. Although, that is a legitimate excuse, she was more than willing to ditch them for an Adventure. In the episode Lars of the stars, Connie wasn't excited to be spending time with Steven, she was excited to be finally going on a space adventure with Steven and then proceeded to be let down when Steven told her it's not going to be much of an adventure.

[@jamiethomas3768]

zachanikwano I write better in Gem 💎 Titans man.

[@mathewricafrente5984]

That thumbnail hurts, like OW THE EDGE

[@sketchyjulia]

You forgot to bring up the scene in Kevin Party where Connie gets mad at Steven for rightfully ignoring her and she says “I guess Kevin’s your best friend now!” That was so petty and immature for someone like Connie to say, this arc actually ruined her a little bit for me

[@Phantom-Neon]

Can this show please stop screwing around and get back the plot

[@burntcinnamon1735]

Phantom-Oblivion the last episodes that aired were about the plot.

[@Phantom-Neon]

Miss Ani True, but im saying that in a general sense As in the show needs to stop getting side tracked like this

[@GoffCool]

I agree. I don't even watch this filler shit anymore. I just skip it until the next plot arc happens.

[@juliannajm3592]

Phantom-Oblivion it has now :)

[@kevinbacon5492]

Agreed. It’s bad enough this show barely gets aired and that it goes on month long hiatuses, just go back to the plot.

[@TheFrayedRedMisery]

to be honest, I knew something was off about it and it seems that the motif of this season seems to be broken relationships. Garnet it seems is broken, Lapis and Peridot are broken, Lars and Sadie are broken, The Diamonds are broken, and even Stevonnie are broken. All the while, Steven has to witness all this and find solutions to fix them. I see the idea behind it and why they would create such Pathos to drive for one more season to finish the story. However, to be honest, it just feels defeating to the audience too. An entire season of broken material not handled too well, and the audience is broken too. I guess that's why the Pink Diamond being Rose Quartz thing broke me from the show. It feels like Rose broke any sort of trust with the audience and brought all this conflict forth, and like Steven, we're trapped in an unwinnable situation. And in theme of the season, we feel broken from the show. I just think Stevonnie was just the start for the downward spiral for me. Just thought I would share my perspective PIEGUY. I can only hope they can dig out, or else I may just be done after this season...broken

[@Carzeyday]

Wanna be more broke? Pearl was training Connie to be Steven's Pearl. Think about It. She never broke her coding, She knows Steven is a Diamond in a sense. do it for him/her takes a whole new meaning now huh?

[@djmeagaaim17]

Carzeyday I never thought about that, its an interesting point

[@aaronlandry3934]

I wouldn’t call it angsty trash, it’s more like bland filler. As soon as they argued, I was like “Well, that sucks, but who cares. TELL THE GEMS ABOUT SPACE. TELL PERIDOT ABOUT YELLOW DIAMOND.”. This show is 90% pure filler.

[@smolderiing7166]

Not really

[@aaronlandry3934]

SmolGengar There’s plenty of filler, and 90% isn’t that much of an exaggeration

[@nuibaba280]

+A Real History Lars proves you wrong. These "secondary characters" have a role in the show and has been what Steven Universe does and focuses on since Season 1. Hell, a few of the humans got caught up in the gem mix in the Aquamarine arc and made the stakes MUCH higher. I bet it's just the haituses making you think that way and be biased against the non gem characters.

[@nuibaba280]

The Aquamarine arc threw humans apart of the Gem action, stop being deluded. The humans DO matter to this show overall

[@nuibaba280]

That fails to matter. They upped the stakes during that arc

[@plushbombproductions4505]

This is my problem with the show. Steven never asks any questions whatsoever and also the fact that there are interesting things going on (Lars being in space and Homeworld, The Cluster) that either happen offscreen or have extremely lackluster conclusions. I know the show is heavy based on anime but did it have to take the filler aspect from anime with it.

[@josesosa3337]

AwesomeKid 65 GOT EM.

[@djmeagaaim17]

AwesomeKid 65 Another big problem with this show is its world building or lack there of

[@plushbombproductions4505]

djmeagaaim17 Yeah Many people say how deep the show is but in reality that's not the truth. The "deep" stuff in the show is for the most part poorly writing as with other cartoons (AT,R&M and GF being prime examples) I assume the writers saw deep thought proving scences before and tried to emulate that.

[@plushbombproductions4505]

Keoh 8 Many people associate filler with anime than anything else

[@Stew91]

@Awesome, the show has had plenty of world building, especially in season 1

[@luniperstellones3364]

The angst levels are so high! Also, this is the first time that I saw everyone agree that an arc in this show was awful. I gave up on this show after season three, but yeah, it sounds as bad as everyone says it was.

[@kurlykayla9013]

The show itself is not bad, it just contains some less well executed episodes than others. The episodes that stick to the main storyline and focuses on the gems’ characterization tend to be the best, and still genuinely good stories.

[@luniperstellones3364]

Kurly Kayla I thought season one and two were fine, but season three got really bad.

[@bigbangpegasusmaster]

nah, 3 was ok, 4's plot episodes were good, but the filler was horribly boring (and the hiatuses didn't help)

[@luniperstellones3364]

It didn't help that they made Lapis' abuse towards others seem justifiable.

[@rommix0]

+Gaming and Stuff I agree. The filler is Steven Universe's weak point. Even filler episodes from OK KO and Gumball are much better in comparison and that is saying something.

[@bbgunp]

hey pieguy your actually pretty brave covering this topic since some SU fans can be a bit... unruly when people talk about there opinions about the show, in anyway I do agree with your points and while I understand the Crewneverse is being rushed, almost all the town episodes feel executed poorly.

[@bbgunp]

Also as a personal take, I don't think the arc was THAT bad, it could have been a lot worse, but i think the main problem with it was the timing, the show isn't an action show (as much as CN is hyping it up to be), and sometimes often then not they begin or end arcs at moments where its not needed, like the town episodes could have been a work up to the diamonds instead of being played down afterwards. Take what i say with a grain of salt but i would like to know what you or others think.

[@YujiUedaFan]

I think it IS that bad though, because it just makes Connie look like a shallow ***** who only wants to hang out with Steven again after he admits he's wrong, even if he's not. Plus Steven tried so hard to get into contact with Connie and Connie only tried to talk to him like once, making Connie seem cold and unreasonable. Not to mention them going back into Stevonnie and acting like their month long spat having no negative side effects whatsoever, to the point they can be Stevonnie for days! It's so stupid! We get random split up episodes and we have to act like they're a big deal (including the one that's coming up), but when it comes to Steven and Connie's chemistry, it's like they're both cool with Steven being 100% in the wrong, making their own relationship seem very unhealthy, yet not at the same time. It kind of makes it seem like they would rather ignore any issues with each other to be bigger.

[@RonquixoteDIII]

Really I think it's more brave to say something good about it. Type Steven universe rant in and you get videos with thousands of likes and hundreds of thousands of views. It's a lot more bipolar here than on other places.

[@megaturtleman1218]

I thought Cartoon Network hates action shows nowadays?

[@bbgunp]

they do, but the way they're marketing it makes SU sound like it.

[@YujiUedaFan]

Ugh yeah, this arc SUCKED! I hated how when they went into Sevonnie, they still didn't work out each other's feelings and instead they're over it and are both cool with Steven being 100% wrong. It makes Steven seem like he has self confidence issues or that he'd do anything to make Connie seem right.

[@nuibaba280]

You're looking at it wrong. It just strengthens their bonds of always wanting to be together and fight together. Steven broke that promise with good intentions, but of course it'd hurt Connie that's unrealistic otherwise. But now it's settled and they're even closer.

[@YujiUedaFan]

But it really didn't seem like that. Plus if Steven values his friends so much, then why did he forget to mention that Lars died?! It's also on Connie, because she left for a month with Lion and Steven wasn't even concerned about what happened to Lars at all! It seems like Steven's values are really messed up and Connie means more to him than someone who freaking died and could be dead again. Not to mention Lars hasn't eaten in ages and Steven doesn't even know if he CAN survive without food.

[@nuibaba280]

That would be dumb as hell to mention Lars died, especially when that'd just make his family miserable, stressed out and assume Lars is dead. Lars is alive now and coming home. It was for the better that Steven simply said Lars is in space. Connie didn't leave for a month, just a couple of weeks during the arc at BEST. Connie taking a few days to get her emotions in check is not wrong at all. That's way more mature than snapping and yelling at Steven. Steven does check up on Lars proven by "Letters to Lars" and "Your Mother and Mine" but Steven can't make his ENTIRE life centered around Lars, he needs to also check up on his home and his family while letting Lars' parents know that their son is fine. Factually wrong on the latter part of your point, Lars said he wasn't hungry/didn't feel like eating before when Steven first went in Lars' head and brought back food. Did the hiatus seriously make you forget that??? Just in case Lars was hungry Steven brought a party sub sandwich in the beginning of the episode.

[@YujiUedaFan]

1. I didn't say Lars' parents needed to know that Lars died, just tell the gems or Connie why it's important to have lion to check up on him. 2. Steven said Connie hadn't spoken to him in a few weeks, so that could be two weeks or it could be over a month. 3. Steven checked up on Lars AFTER Connie and Lion were gone for weeks and Steven wasn't even concerned about Lars at all the whole time Connie had Lion. 4. I said that Lars may not have FELT hungry, but that doesn't mean he doesn't need to eat. Plus Lars had just died and gotten revived, even if he did need to eat, he would probably feel the same way, since dying likely sucks and ruins your appetite. Again, not feeling hungry =/= not needing to eat ever. As far as Steven was concerned when Lion was with Connie, is that Lars could have starved to death.

[@nuibaba280]

1. There was no point because he just got back, he doesn't stop checking up on Lars and the episodes after the arc prove it 2. He has his own life and problems, tough luck. Steven's life doesn't and never has revolved around Lars. Vice versa for Lars and Steven. Steven still checks up on him, but Steven has his own family and issues. Stop trying to force your wants onto Steven when he's his own independent character not a blank state. Lars handled himself without Steven. 3. Nice strawman, Steven brought food for him. Since he got revived in similar fashion to Lion, it's pretty fucking obvious that Lars has extended durability in the thirsty and hungry section. ESPECIALLY when Steven was thirsty and hungry but Lars wasn't when they spent the same amount of time on Homeworld. Lars' stomach was STILL empty even if he was revived. Him not being hungry all of a sudden says a lot.

[@brunolinares604]

Season 1 "Indirect kiss": Steven doesn't want to talk about his problems, Connie notices something wrong and keeps insisting Steven to tell her what happened. Season 5: "Dewey wins": Steven doesn't want to talk about his problems, Connie notices something wrong, insists like once and ragequits...............wat? Edit: Weeeell, that isn't completely true though, Connie was hurt so it makes more sense she doesn't insist anymore because she is mad at Steven, this time he has to make that effort; however, running away with Lion (aka the only route to watch over Lars) was a bad choice.

[@nuibaba280]

She didn't snatch him, see the problem with many people who do point out flaws do it wrong without realizing established context. Lion likes Steven AND Connie and did what he wanted. Lion's not some mindless pet, he wanted to be there for a hurt Connie and he's FOND of Connie he had no reason not to go with her.

[@Merilirem]

Bruno, she was unrelated to the situation in "Indirect kiss". She was very upset during "Dewey wins" and she has a tendency to be brash and emotional. Also no one can make lion do anything. Her best option there was to visit Steven, but she was feeling wiered and didn't want to. We also didn't get her side of the story so we don't know what she did or didn't do with Lion. All we know is that they seem to have hung out.

[@crazygamer4260]

The difference is he left without telling anyone, almost got killed, and tried to act like it wasn't a big deal

[@rasp-passiontea8525]

I'm _really_ glad you made this. I always felt something was off about this arc but couldn't figure it out until you put my thinking into words

[@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz385]

Due to an inaccurate episode list, I accidentally watched Kevin Party first, and thought “oh, are they going to reveal more about whatever happened as the episodes go on?” and thought it would be a clever and unique writing choice. And then I learned, “Oh, I’ve just spoiled the ending of this little arc before even starting it? ...oh”

[@djmeagaaim17]

DalekSupremeWithCheese lol, as if this would do something like although that would have been interesting to see

[@wj11jam78]

They never had to do this arc. The point was to show what it's like when your closest friend / potential romantic partner leaves, and you have no way to talk to them. ...My little Peri is currently going through that. I'm much more invested in Peridot and Lapis' relationship, too. Lapis is a pretty unstable person, so It's easier to believe that she'd *actually* leave Peri forever. Plus, the current arc is great, and isn't being slowed down by the P + L drama! So, I have come to the conclusion: Peridot makes for the very best character arcs.

[@carmena.gonzalezrios8372]

Wj11jam I agree, her character development has been one of the best of the show imo, It makes me sad she hasn’t been getting the spotlight lately.

[@squashedshibber2684]

I think the only reason peridot is handled somewhat okay is because the creator is an invader zim nerd and peridot is a clear inspiration. Extremely sure why she's handled so vastly different than the other characters.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Oh really? Never knew that.

[@clowntownbrown75]

sugar just loves to force drama even when its wildly out of character lmao

[@nuibaba280]

Out of character? But it's literally established in show that Connie can be brash with her emotions, even then she put that to the side and tried to talk to him. People are way too quick to jump to conclusions. Did the haituses really make you forget a lot of important context?

[@clowntownbrown75]

ヌイババNuibaba ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@clowntownbrown75]

ヌイババNuibaba who ever said connie was out of character lmao

[@nuibaba280]

"force drama even when its wildly out of character" Stop trying to backtrack, straw man or move the goal post. Steven and Connie weren't out of character, he always bares burdens but shrugs it off. This was most apparent and it was for the better that end of the arc he admits he did when it was a big deal and this arc helps him understand Connie's perspective. This developed their relationship. People just didn't find it fun to watch and that's understandable

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@nuibaba280yes but she always been more patient understanding and she didn’t even try to hear this from his perspective and Steven didn’t even try to understand her

[@oneofnone7947]

Pink is a monster to her own kind

[@MacyPooh196]

The Steven and Connie fight arc is just so awful. Watching Steven mope around and watching his phone for several episodes are just so irritating. Multiple episodes were not needed for this dribble. We’re literally left on a cliff hanger about Lars and the Off colored gems and we’re stuck looking at Steven be sad because Connie won’t text him. It kinda makes Steven look like a selfish jerk and this isn’t the first time he’s acted extremely careless towards other people or gems.

[@rhondahoward8025]

Here's my biggest problem with this "breakup" arc: *It makes it seem like Steven giving himself up to Homeworld ONLY affected Connie, when it literally affected EVERYONE.* When Greg said that spending time with Steven in that Gemcation episode was his own way of dealing with what his son did, that really hurt me, because it showed me what _could've_ been. What they _could've_ focused on. There's a single-mindedness to this arc that's annoying as hell. There's a scene where Sadie is yelling at Dewey for not remembering Lars, a kid still lost out in space and they SHOW Lars' heartbroken parents! But what do they do with this? Make a joke with Dewey calling him "donut boy"!

[@IgnitedQuils]

rhonda howard Thank you! This arc could have been wrapped up in a single episode, but the show had like six episodes based off of this little problem that didn’t need to happen due to Connie’s pettiness!

[@leahdawson6196]

Tbh, I found Connie's reaction ridiculous. I get that she was worried and wanted Steven to trust in her too, but she was way too mad way too long. I can see if she got angry and needed space for like a day,but after that she had to break down and forgive him. She essentially ended up making Steven suffer mentally for trying to save her life.

[@EarthBreaking]

Finally, someone talks about this!

[@cherylshover6728]

Yeah it’s common knowledge at this point that this arc is the low point of Season 5. Although, it did bring us Sadie Killer and Back to the Kindergarten, so it’s not too bad.

[@JustABroom]

Finally SOMEONE said it.

[@TheTundraTerror]

I would say this show has awful pacing, but that would imply it has any pacing at all.

[@bobbyh2720]

TheTundraTerror I feel that's more the fault of the horribly inconsistent release schedule more than anything

[@callmecoolo2950]

Bobby H but if you stream the episodes, theres still a ton of filler. Last I saw, SU doesn't get much airtime so why not make every episode count with a few filler eps for the occasional rerun?

[@stonefree7973]

Bobby H True but you also have to fault the writing. Even without the hiatuses the pacing and story structure is AWFUL!

[@nuibaba280]

+call me coolo SU doesn't have to do none of that. Last time I checked the entire show since the beginning was structured around humans and gems not just gem action. You're letting the haituses make you biased and that sucks. Steven Universe not doing an action scene or a scene with a gem doesn't make it filler. People overuse that word so much no one even knows what it means anymore, just a buzz word for people to use what they don't like.

[@stonefree7973]

ヌイババNuibaba No. It's because the majority of the show consists of townie episodes, which have gotten old. -.-

[@pepersmells123]

Why am I watching this when I don't even watch the show lmao

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

darren elliott Because PieGuyRulz!

[@kierenstudios]

Probably the thumbnail

[@davidpuckett1600]

darren elliott cause you like pieguyrulz that's the same reason I'm here I don't watch the show and I'm here so it must be because we like pieguyrulz and if we had the money we'd donate to his patreon but since we don't watching his videos is the next best way to support him plus his videos are great

[@tashaem1]

Connie is not justified. Steven did the right thing for once in his life.

[@cameoshadowness7757]

tashaem1 Just becuase Steven did what was right, it doesn't mean Connie still can't be justified for feeling hurt. PGR explains this.

[@DenderFriend]

Her feelings are justified; Steven did was right but it still hurt her and that's valid

[@nearlythere589]

Acknowledging the gravity of the situation Connie should have been able to move past her feeling and see the bigger picture.

[@mindriguniverse2429]

Yeah, in terms of going on a galactic escapade to save your friend when time is short and your other friend isnt exactly close and life's are on the line (and technically lost); saying that you are angry because your not asked to tag along despite your bond can be countered by aforementioned dire situation. You'd think Connie smart enough to notice that, but what's character consistency?

[@futuregohan4837]

It Took Steven Many Years To Realize It

[@jarnegi]

This arc was the one that made me drop the show for good. I was hoping a different perspective could entice me to rewatch, but that didn't happen What I didn't like about the arc was that it felt as though too much time was given to this angsty situation and not, well, saving Lars (even though his still at the lowest tier of character likability, in my opinion. Especially with the way he acted when he learned that Sadie was able to cope with Lars's abduction) My biggest gripe was all the wasted potential for what was given. Maybe if Steven wasn't able to revive Lars, he'd have to deal with a whole new world, with a new team, and he'd have to step up as a leader to escape Homeworld. Or maybe let Lars have it and ACTUALLY LET THE AUDIENCE SEE IT! Let it be a right of passage story that has Lars grow from a spineless brat to a mature, confident adult. Maybe Steven and Connie could make up in one or two episodes, then everyone could work together to save Lars. Heck, go one step further and confront the Diamonds in some grand finale kinda way on Homeworld. It's really sad to see that there was so many ways that this arc could have gone, but failed to do. Even more so that it felt as though the writers had taken the safe route in writing an arc with no real stakes. If there's any silver lining, it is that Kevin is now on my top three of favorite human characters on the show. I'm not even joking. I'm just done.

[@davekendall5936]

jarnegi Why is Kevin now your favourite?

[@nuibaba280]

Okay bye

[@Sammy_The_Umbreon]

Steven ACTUALLY made the best decision. Fighting was out of the question. Like you said, if even alexandrite isn't able to beat them, then Stevonnie of course can't. If they somehow did manage to beat them, they'd have another problem. Surely the diamonds would NOTICE if two gems (Aquamarine probably being an elite) went missing on the planet that already raises alot of red flags for them. And I think it's obvious why it's a bad idea to let them go back to homeworld empty handed. By giving himself up, he kept the damage to a minimum. He thought it was only him who was going to Homeworld afterall. And a Bonus. It only took Aquamarine to see Stevens gem, to be convinced. As Stevonnie, their gem would be showing.

[@xylynthian753]

CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

[@jeronimoamorin5367]

Xylynthian I'VE BECOME SO NUMB

[@starbutterfly9036]

AND IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

Xylynthian I'm gonna need to find that profile picture. Like, a lot

[@an_alienwashere]

Xylynthian THIS IS MY PLASTIC FORK

[@matthewsmith2385]

plant same research

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I totally agree with this. Honestly, I was really hoping that the fifth episode would actually give Connie some sort of validating reason for not contacting, so that it felt like it built up to something, but it sort of just had an anticlimax instead. Personally, I also think Gemcation was one of the worst episodes I have seen in quite some time.

[@blaa6]

Honestly, my biggest complaint is Connie cutting her hair.

[@capsulon445]

This is why I was not at all satisfied with the ending of the Wanted special, it because I knew that it would lead into something like this, had the last 30 seconds of "Lars Head" had this type of scenario of "Saddie walking in as everyone is gathering around Steven, and ask him 'Where's Lars?' ending the episode on a sour note with everyone looking at Steven and is dead silent" that would guarantee the audience conformation that this plot element will be address in the next episode, instead the ending of "Lars head" was so upbeat and acts as if the events never happened, which leads into these batch of episodes that has nothing to do with what just happened in the last episode.

[@kelsss9495]

WELL DONE!!! WELL FUCKING DONE!!! I love the way you presented your argument and actually explained it with solid reasonings, unlike many of the other youtubers who tried to point out the flaws in this part of the story.

[@ChrisFV]

Oh yeah I completely agree with you, I hated Steven after those episodes, but no one else seemed to mind

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

Christian Flores I just hated this arc

[@aiiiia9971]

Christian Flores Why Steven? Connie was the one who was wrong. He sacrificed himself to protect them all, and when he narrowly escaped with his life to returned home, she made him feel very unwelcome.

[@ChrisFV]

Aii iiA yeah but he left Lars and the others in space in a potentially deadly situation, without telling anyone on earth, the first thing he does is help Dewey in the election, Connie also did wrong, but she didnt know the stakes of the situation

[@aiiiia9971]

Christian Flores I agree, she didn't. Also, Steven didn't mean to get Lars trapped, it happened because he hid somewhere in the ship. Maybe they "left him", and if so, *none* of them did a thing. And Connie obviously didn't care about any of that, she was just upset because of her own personal feelings. The only thing I could really say Steven is significantly and personally at fault for is giving Peridot/Homeworld the list of humans, though that itself was caused by ignorance and had he known what it would mean in the future, he wouldn't have said it.

[@zachanikwano]

I hated Connie after this episode. Honestly the writing was bad for everyone involved, it's like Mindful Education never happened. But the way Connie treated Steven, and how the show basically said she was in the right pissed me off. Yes, Steven should be a little more attuned to the feelings of his family and friends. But he made the right choice in giving himself up. Death would have been certain had they tried to resist Aquamarine any further (seriously Alexandrite couldn't do anything against her, what would Stevonnie do? How would Steven even reach Connie to fuse?). Despite Connie's complaints, they tried. They tried to fight back and save everyone, and they failed. But it wasn't enough for Connie. So she gives Steven the cold shoulder, takes his Lion and his mother's sword, and leaves.

[@effeffiagonalick5078]

While it is realistic to think that 12-14 year olds do this, I don't necessarily want to watch it. It reminded me a little too much of when friends and I get into arguments and end up not speaking for an extended period of time. In other words, it hit a little too close to home and not with emotions I want to feel :/

[@zeldaprincessgirl100]

Effeffia Gonalick But Connie is a pretty smart girl and Steven has really matured, plus Greg and the Crystal Gems were there as well, they could have started talking to Steven about everything, Garnet being the one to start to take a moment first.

[@nuibaba280]

+zeldaprincessgirl100 Factually wrong, Nightmare Hospital, Connie's mom provides more insight onto her character. She always said Connie's brash and doesn't think things through.

[@nuibaba280]

But that's consistent with Connie's character she's understanding mature but can be brash. Some glasses really fail to change that

[@nuibaba280]

Not really, like it or not Stevonnie's a major player. She specifically states within Sworn to the Sword that she wanted to be there and try. They did so much together. Connie having faith in their abilities is really sweet. But she's mature enough not to snap at him despite feeling let down. This arc develops their relationship and helps Steven understand her perspective more.

[@robby7499]

*WAKE ME UP INSIDE*

[@juliannajm3592]

Robby SAVE ME XD EDIT: I'm laughing so hard

[@rowatever7295]

ok but just this thumbnail is great

[@rhondahoward8025]

Problem #2 I think I know why only Steven apologized for hurting Connie. Because he didn't get her *consent.* The show is _hypersensitive_ with consent. It doesn't matter whether his sacrifice was justified or not or if he ultimately made the right decision or the wrong one; what he apologizes for being _wrong_ on is that he didn't _tell_ Connie about this plan or that he was doing it without her. This is what Dewey Wins parallels with Dewey. He gives up the race and lets Nanafue win without Steven's "consent". They were supposed to be a "team" and this "let them both down".

[@SemiJuggaloNumber2]

In retrospect, after Steven Universe Future, I can view Steven's obliviousness towards Connie's feelings, as him merely coping with narrowly escaping a life-or-death situation. However, that being said, it still doesn't change the fact that Connie made the situation all about herself.

[@JT-qk9kn]

This string of episodes was the worst arc of the entire series. What an absolutley unnecessary detour from the severe situation at play

[@BlaxxShadow]

How come we can’t have an episode where Steven isn’t involved in any capacity? This is why so many characters can’t develop because the writers feel that Steven just HAS to be there...

[@nuibaba280]

Sorry, show's centered around Steven's POV.

[@BlaxxShadow]

ヌイババNuibaba And that’s the problem. It’s not realistic.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

MLP avoided this issue by having Twilight's friends be the ones to write friendship lessons to Celestia in Season 2. Before that, Twilight had be connected to the episode in some way.

[@Samuel152]

It's literally called "Steven Universe." Why are you surprised that the main character is literally in every episode when the show is about him and has his name in the title?

[@ThePonderer]

I don’t necessarily disagree with the title, but come on, who DIDN’T have conflicts with friends that could be described as angsty trash at 12 and 14? As someone who’s already used to this show dropping major developments and then not getting back to them for a while, I didn’t mind not immediately picking up with Lars, and the conflict between Steven and Connie itself felt believably like two kids failing to communicate after a spat.

[@aguardianangel981]

yeah, but all the "realism" of this arc gets trown in the gargabe in the next episode where they form Stevonnie for fun. When you make up with a friend after they hurt you, even tho you two have made up, you don't emediatelly act again like nothing's wrong. There's still some tension

[@hannahbanana5931]

Steven constantly act WAY more mature than his age and is giving ancient beings life advice. The fact that Steven completely ignores Connie’s feelings with the way he presented otherwise is so off putting

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

A Guardian Angel "Where they form Stevonnie for fun" wasn't it because Stevonnie would better know how to fly a ship?

[@RonquixoteDIII]

Derpy Hooves I think he was honestly just overwhelmed and sort of feeling some sort of joy that he was safe and that Lars didn't stay dead. All things considered it was the best possible outcome

[@animationdude9]

Derpy Hooves To be fair most of the advice he usually gives is basically pretty obvious when you think about it. It's just that the gems failed to fully understand human common sense

[@WobblesandBean]

This was the Steven Bomb that finally turned me off the show completely. I'd been slowly becoming disenfranchised with the poor handling of important plot elements in the past (like the Cluster and Lapis leaving), but this? This is beyond incompetent. Then we got that godawful Rose "twist" and I'm just, I'm done. Used to be a huge fan, now I have zero desire to catch any new episodes.

[@IllusiveDev]

Amelia Bee Same thing happened to me lol. You’re not alone.

[@artigarcia9257]

The twist was so unexpected

[@DeathKitta]

Same. All the love for SU just gone. I can`t even watch it just to know what people are talking about. The moment I start watching episode I became angry and frustrated.

[@WobblesandBean]

DeathKitta Yeah. Like, after the third leaked title that had us excited (like hit the diamond), only to find it was just another troll by the crewniverse, I lost my patience. Meanwhile, when they DO get around to moving the plot forward, it's rushed and unatisfying. We had all this buildup for the cluster and Malachite, only to have them faff about for the entire season, then suddenly it's all wrapped up in one 12 minute episode? Yet THIS gets five whole episodes to conclude? Bullshit! ...Hehe sorry, I've been holding that in for a while. Feels good to let it all out 😂

[@WobblesandBean]

Arturo Garcia And it makes no sense, either. In the mural of PD, we clearly see her gem is diamond shaped, not the sideways princess cut they tried to convince us was how she "shifted" her gem to become Rose. Not to mention how nobody recognized Pearl, how did a diamond with all her flunkeys manage to sneak off half the time to rally the troops as Rose? Did nobody ever wonder where she went for all that time? Why are her eyes different? The one thing we know about shape shifting is that the gem's eyes don't change. She not only changes the color, but can hide her diamond pupils, too? Why ARE her pupils shaped like that when her gem isn't? Just...ugh, so many stupid plot holes. And it makes Rose an even more loathsome character than before.

[@RDeathmark]

My biggest problem with The Arc is it it's basically a retread of the episode immediately after the first interaction with the Homeworld gems when Connie is wanting to talk to Steven and Steven is avoiding her because he has decided that he can't have friends anymore or whatever in my opinion at least

[@GoffCool]

And the first time they did it the problem was solved in 1 episode. *NOT FIVE*

[@AnInkStick]

When I first I saw this arc I honestly wanted to slap Connie during this whole thing. I felt like she was being a brat, and yes I will concede her being upset was reasonable she still didn’t get called out for her BS.

[@hazycat8466]

I've been waiting so long for you to talk about this! Thank you!

[@Garyfan2001]

This arc was honestly depressing to watch and not in a good way

[@sabermations4765]

Steven: *goes to space to save a large majority of people* Connie: and I took that personally

[@thefakeslimshady7542]

I really hate how there are pretty much no conflicts that don't involve Steven, let alone the fact that I don't even think there are any episodes without him.

[@ZbJeeBies]

The Fake Slim Shady this show would have much better storytelling if we weren't locked in steven's shitty perspective

[@jamestolbert1856]

Here’s the thing: Steven didn’t give up, they fought and lost and he took the ONLY way out to protect them

[@VaqueroCoyote]

This is going to be the same shit with the Ruby-Sapphire "break up" arch too. You know they're going to get back in the end and this new arch will be a waste of time before the next whole year before more SU episodes.

[@nuibaba280]

Nah lol

[@shiteyanyo1111]

MountainFox51 I feel it's that way too

[@rhondahoward8025]

Problem #3 While I understand Connie being upset, I _don't_ understand why she'd _just_ be upset and not at least relieved! Greg _hugged_ his son when he saw him again and they both cried together. Connie was also worried sick about Steven in Full Disclosure too, frantically calling him on her phone when she got his voice message about Homeworld. But here, she's just got her arms crossed, not even overwhelmed with emotion? "Gee Steven, I'm so glad you're safe" - When Steven mockingly says what he WANTED Connie to say, he's NOT completely wrong! He's got a point!

[@IgnitedQuils]

rhonda howard Agreed, like, I get that she was upset since he didn’t try fighting with her as Stevonnie, but the situation was very tight, and he felt like giving up was the best thing to do since his mother was guilty and how this all happened because of her. If Steven was actually dead, everyone would have mourned for him. But seeing that he came back out of nowhere, instead of her being so proud of him, she ended up ignoring him as if them beating Aquamarine + Topaz would have been possible. But seriously, even Alexandrite lost to Aquamarine easily.

[@lilrqlovesanime650]

LMAO! THAT THUMBANIL! Ahhhhhh, So many Linkin Park Memories

[@ericparazak8448]

It's sad how this is still the most unbiased, rational critique of this subplot after all these years.

[@Cartoonmania-ci3yj]

But-but, its soooooo deep. The point of this arc, was that there was no point in it at all. (Swishes short hair back.)💀

[@moonydoll7109]

Steven: "This is so sad Alexa play Bring Me to Life"

[@frogglen6350]

Don't you mean "*is"?

[@RocketBot]

Haha I love the thumbnail, great ANGSTY video PieGuy!

[@buttermeat6529]

did you just *_O O F_* in the title?

[@herrikudo]

I am so happy to see this vid... I've seen no one else talk about this poorly done arc. Also one point that frankly pissed me off, WHY DID LION GO WITH HER???? he's STEVEN'S lion. Steven's familiar connected by a life debt. Why would he just run off with Connie for no reason when he would understand after 400-someodd years that sometimes you make a shitty decision to avoid a tragic consequence you know?

[@oneofnone7947]

I still find the portal to be the biggest plot convenience in the show

[@yourpersonalyandere3953]

what does that have anything to do with the topic of the video?

[@oneofnone7947]

Your Personal Yandere they way it was made was as pointless as the story ark in the video

[@djmeagaaim17]

One Of none What portal?

[@larsandtheoffcolorsanimeto672]

I understand the Steven and Connie argument, but what actually bothers me is how Lion didn't come back to Steven for a bit to let him see Lars in space, I know he's also angry at Steven too but letting him check up on Lars to see if he's alright for a bit and Steven did want to find Lion to go back to space at the beginning of Kevin Party?

[@BluffsCastle]

I once made my own series about a group of kids, and in the second season I planned an arc where they get into a fight because of some rumors. They acted all whiny until the end of the arc. Looking back that probably wasn't the best idea. The Steven-Connie fight reminded me of that.

[@lightning35]

That's not a bad idea. Steven and Connie f*cked up the execution. The series was about Steven. ALL about Steven... Character development does not happen unless Steven is involved in some way - Steven being in the same room - Steven finding a report/book/video - Someone's experiences being told to Steven Lars was the sole exception because his character was so bad, the writers literally killed and replaced him. If you split the fight into multiple perspectives and both sides have good pacing, then it could work out

[@dragonempress8367]

I really hate the Steven only perspective and we could've explored Connie's mind.

[@kayden2119]

Or you know it was teenage drama just like in real life...

[@SquidSystem]

Great video as always, Pieguy.

[@blinktwice296]

Wow, this is some solid content. Will be back for more

[@SilverDollarGamer]

You know an arc that did this exact same thing better? The Sardonyx Arc with Garnet and Pearl’s falling-out

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Strangely, I think the Sardonyx arc could have been completely avoided if Pearl had admitted her feelings to Garnet before enacting such a crazy scheme. There's NO indication that Garnet would have discounted or ignored Pearl's feeling if Pearl had told the truth before the incident.

[@pockystyx4087]

I could sum up these couple of episodes in one word; exhausting. I mean, I think I hated this more than most the townie episodes.

[@Raddish-IS-Radd]

Honestly the reason steven didn't say anything was to not make Connie feel bad

[@cazaclaw3775]

They just should’ve focused on Dewey, a whole arc of Dewey

[@64B_]

Connie lost any reason when she kidnapped Steven's pet. So, for 99% of this arc, that was supposed to be ambiguous, she's in the wrong.

[@burntcinnamon1735]

Gabriel Castro She didn't take Lion he chose to stay with her.

[@burmessafox3939]

Miss Ani which is pretty stupid if you ask me

[@nuibaba280]

Lion likes Connie and Steven. How stupid can ya'll be? He decided to go with Connie who cares? Lion always did what he wanted he's not some mindless pet.

[@64B_]

ヌイババNuibaba Let me remind you of the first Lion episode. Knowing that Steven was in danger, Lion stayed with him, even after Steven went off on him. So now, when there is a way more urgent situation, and Steven didn't do anything to him, he just decides to dip?

[@nuibaba280]

+Gabriel Castro That just proves my point more. There WAS no dire situation for Steven, but Connie was hurting so Lion decided to be there for her. Plus, Steven has a life. He was checking up on Beach City and his home. Even if Lion stayed he wasn't going to check on Lars when he just got back.

[@connor_can]

I thought i was the only one who hated the whole situation and it was so petty

[@starbutterfly9036]

You did a really good job on the thumbnail!

[@harakirikiss6128]

That thumbnail is too powerful

[@dragonblade3891]

I didn't really sit through the arc myself and from what I've read and seen about it, I don't want to. I feel the narrative is way too much on Connie's side without any attempt to understand that Steven just went through a series of traumatic events including watching Lars DIE for a while. Yes, it wasn't cool of Steven to pretend like nothing was wrong after returning but people deal with trauma in different ways. I don't like either how it's only Steven who has to say "I'm sorry" as if he is the only one in the wrong. It was a dire situation with no easy answer, and Steven acted like a real leader and made a tough call. Like you and others have said, Connie needs to stop treating this all like just some game and realize that people's lives are more important than her feelings and what she wants.

[@jshadowhunter]

I've fallen out with SU completely, not just because of the BS hiatus but also an internal change of my view on reality and I simply cannot accept this show pushing that message. What message you ask? Constant dependence on somebody to fulfill yourself, instead of overcoming your own flaws and becoming a better individual.

[@smolderiing7166]

"BS Hiatus" like making an episode takes a week??

[@smolderiing7166]

I'm sorry if this show is meant for Tweens and not for adults???

[@jshadowhunter]

Hiatus is the fault of either SU creators for being bad at production, which I'm having a hard time believing; OR CN or rather Teen Titans Go Channel is really bad at setting time slots, which is more likely. And the fact that, as you said it yourself, the show is aimed at Tweens makes it even worse. How do you expect them to grow up and become self-sufficient individual if this cartoon is telling them that "it doesn't matter what flaws you have, you shouldn't have to overcome them because somebody will still care for you". It's an awful message.

[@smolderiing7166]

+Turmoil Well, the show isn't for everyone. I kinda like the message.

[@TOnySchAnneL9000]

And a good percentage of Germany liked the message of Mein Kampf, doesn't mean that it's a good message by any means.

[@justindepina1455]

So i just stumbled upon this channel and when i first saw your avatar face thing with the monocle and mustache, i thought the smoking pipe was coming out of the chin since im so use to the mouth being covered by the mustache. that is all lol

[@mysryuza]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ruby and Sapphire got together again and married out of the blue as easy and fast as Steven and Connie reconciled.

[@hilda9239]

Well, you wished it.

[@eatatjoes6751]

*OH MY GOD YES.* That whole fight was a waste of time and I can't believe they did it.

[@simpsonsfanatic777]

The last episodes I watched were the Wanted episodes. Hearing about this conflict makes me not want to catch up on the episodes I missed.

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

Just skip to Raising Te Barn, then go to Can't Go Back and A Single Pale Rose. Should be enough to catch up (Since the next bomb seems to have some conflict with the diamonds for once)

[@simpsonsfanatic777]

Henrique Carballo Aranha It feels weird skipping episodes, even if I know I won’t enjoy them.

[@peachie5000]

I would recommend just pushing through it. Even if you do end up really not enjoying that arc, there are some amazing episodes after it.

[@kakashihatake313]

peachie5000 key word: AFTER

[@peachie5000]

I personally loved this arc. I think that while it was rushed and did have some focus issues, the way they showed Steven so completely torn up over Connie and that their relationship is not perfect was really important to making their relationship more believable. However, I see why people would still want to skip it like if they don't enjoy watching Steven and Connie's relationship or episodes that aren't Lore. That's why I mentioned that there are some amazing Lore episodes after it.

[@TwiGav]

This analysis is really good. Something you didn't bring up in the video is the scene at the beginning of Dewey Wins between Steven and Connie. That scene was weak - it was too fast-paced when the establishment of the conflict demanded something more contemplative. It also didn't do a good job of setting up either side of the conflict. We got the overall emotions, but we didn't get a real idea of the subtleties of their feelings. Also Gemcation was not very good and should've been replaced with an episode like the one you describe around, oh, 6 minutes in? The other half of the bomb worked really well, though.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

I always thought that Dewey Wins episode shouldn't even exist and episode with Dewey should have been about something else. Maybe after Steven returned Dewey would want to talk to him about personal matters, about that he already got captured two times and nearly died each time, he could start seeing how careless his actions were and how much this city needs him, much more than ever. It would also mention that Dewey may had to explain to Lars parents about what happened to their son, after all even though he was resurrected he still died at one point and now he may never return and with that Dewey could start thinking about his own son which would give us insight into family of his and give him serious development where he will try his best to protect Beach City so this scenario would never repeat, encourage people in Beach city to prepare for another visit from Homeworld. It would be a good episode that would show more humanity in character of Dewey and actual good development.