Bismuth's Arc Should Have Had a Part 2 Before Made of Honor

I lay out my argument for why Bismuth should have had an episode in between "Bismuth" and "Made of Honor".
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[@Sangled]

even as a bismuth enthusiast who was happy to see her free, i agree that ‘made of honor’ could have been written better. i was disappointed that her most prominant viewpoint (handling the gem war and her thoughts on rose) was given little attention, making her character seem different from the one back in ‘bismuth’. also they never addressed why the crystal gems never freed her before this, and once bismuth returns they just... seem to remember she exists again. an episode that explains more or actually allows conversation between bismuth and the gems would have definitely helped her arc.

[@nuibaba280]

I mean. She literally freaked out over seeing the bubbling of several corrupted gems. That was the most in character Bismuth thing ever that needed to be acknowledged. And we do see her thoughts of PD + Rose... She screams in Lava from finding out. Sure it's a bit strange seeing Bismuth take all of this like a champ but that's more of character development, especially in her own episode she's the ONLY gem to directly say Steven's better than Rose and that he doesn't need to be her. She came to terms with a lot when she got stabbed by the sword on her debut episode.

[@nuibaba280]

+Meeshell ART That too, Rose has been exposed as a flawed person that caused a lot of shit from her selfish actions. Steven had no reason not to give Bismuth another chance.

[@Sangled]

ヌイババNuibaba i’m not saying that happening entirely was out of character, it just happened incredibly quickly. like sapphire, bismuth only really got one episode to get over her emotional burdens and i would’ve liked her to have more time to develop.

[@nuibaba280]

She didn't "get over it" Bismuth still has beef with Rose and her immediately assuming that Rose bubbled everyone in the temple proves it. She just happens to be fond the Crystal Gems and love being on the team. Amethyst still has her insecurities all this time what stops Bismuth from having issues still deep down?

[@nuibaba280]

In Steven's song it puts to light that the CGs have issues but they choose to think about other things like Garnet's wedding

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

I guess you could say, I had some unfinished Buismuth with this character.

[@iyoungblood2109]

PIEGUYRULZ oh those dang puns of yours!

[@MrRobotGuyHD]

PIEGUYRULZ when is season 10 spongebob reviewed coming out? Pls. I want to know

[@humorusspidermanandsonicvi5780]

Heh heh

[@giovanniorellana2200]

PIEGUYRULZ *rimshot sound*

[@MrRobotGuyHD]

My stand [BUT CAN YOU DO THIS?] screw off hater

[@cardbutton892]

I just gotta ask this? Why does Bismuth need "redemption"? Yes, she attacks Steven, but only because she was convinced Steven was Rose (a mistake she clearly realizes just before she poofs). And, if you notice throughout the episode "Bismuth" both Pearl AND Garnet are hyping the shit out of their current crisis, to a gem who just yesterday had been fighting a centuries long war. I seem to recall Jasper making the same mistake before her current fate, Bismuth is not the first to mistake Steven for Rose (and she certainly did not have 5 millennia to adapt). Her ideology isn't inherently wrong either, nor is it presented at ANY point that it was the ideology she held throughout the entirety of the war (in fact, its very unlikely that she did). Bismuth's weapon is called the breaking point for a reason, she hit her breaking point sometime late in the war and built something that she believed would protect the lives of Crystal Gems at any cost (as well as bring an end to the war quickly through the shattering of a diamond; the results of such an idea being clearly on display in the Bubble Room). In "Made of Honor" Bismuth's ideology is simultaneously validated AND shattered(due to Rose = PD), and being shown the consequences of "Shattering a Diamond" at the same time (Rose used her idea, to disastrous results). She even is forced to confront what remains of a close friend (Biggs) due to that decision to "shatter PD" on top of Steven forgiving her for attacking him. Honestly, while I would have liked another in-between Bismuth episode, I don't think it was necessary. Though, that's just my opinion.

[@nuibaba280]

No you're right. Bismuth's a long ally since forever and the CGs love her. Bismuth cares for the team and she's fond of everyone in it. Rose has been exposed as a flawed person, and now everyone knows. Bismuth isn't out of place for having a dislike for Rose anymore.

[@benjaminfenty8745]

Was thinking the exact same thing

[@amaridesu1141]

While bismuth herself didn't need an arc per se, I think the best reasoning for bismuth having an episode in between this one and her repoofing is that she needed an arc that got her allies comfortable with her in the group again. She was bubbled all over again and kept there for a reason, and it should have been actually touched on between the CG so that the set up for her acceptance arc would feel smoother. As a character, she definitely didn't need to be redeemed from rock bottom. But her spot in the group needed redeeming

[@nuibaba280]

That's wrong. Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl was always comfortable with Bismuth. They only kept her away for STEVEN'S safety not because they're uncomfortable with her. All Bismuth factually needed was a talk, because she cares for the team, everyone in it and she's a passionate CG member to the core.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

If all she needed was a talk, why not let her out earlier? Why not establish why the CGs are keeping her bubbled? Why Steven doesn' t want to fix things (he obviously does)? Why would the gems be so ready to accept her back at the end, if they valued Steven's safety? All I want is one more episode to clearly establish some of the things Made of Honor sped through.

[@smokesterify]

C'mon Pieguy, we couldn't have a three part story arc for Bismuth. It's just impossible, I mean, if we didn't sacrifice her episode, how ELSE would we have gotten such developmental and classic episodes such as "Dewey Wins", "Gemcation", "Sadie Killer", "The Big Show", and "Your Mother and Mine"?? All very important episodes that FURTHER develop the lore and characters of this classic Cartoon Network original known as Steven Universe! I'm gonna go cry in the corner now

[@totallynotjeff7748]

TheCartoonZone, I'm just imagining a world where pieguy runs the show.

[@toon4thought]

Hey, I liked Sadie Killer and Dewey Wins. And they were important, just in their own ways. Just because something isn't related to the gems doesn't mean it doesn't develop the characters. In fact, I'd argue it'd be wrong if they didn't do anything with Sadie.

[@shrimppimp4509]

Toon4Thought develop my ass at least 4 of those episodes we're boring and barely anybody care about the town's people I want to see the crystal gems exploring ruins again and fighting monsters not helping some depressed former mayor if I wanted to see that I would have gone to the original Powerpuff girl's episode we're fuzzy became mayor

[@smokesterify]

Not saying it was wrong to involve Sadie and Dewey Wins. I just think they went about it in a completely stupid way.

[@nuibaba280]

+j.r.d.l No one cares if YOU personally don't like them. They're an important part of the show and an important part of Steven's LIFE. Sadie's extremely close to Lars they NEEDED to address her.

[@a5tr4l]

My one problem with the episode was that it seems that the wedding was the ONLY reason why Steven decided to bring Bismuth back. Not because he finally got over the incident where she tried to kill him and not because he felt he had enough information to explain everything to her properly. Let’s face it, if the idea for the wedding never came up, Bismuth would still be bubbled

[@undergalaxy775]

Brian Corona ah come on give him a reason! In a show things don't happen because:"Oh I just realized I want to release Bismuth" that nevet happens. You need an specific scene to understand why certain characters make certain acts

[@DenderFriend]

honestly, it'd come out of nowhere if we suddenly got an episode where Steven was like "I realize that Bismuth should be unbubbled" and then suddenly Bismuth was a main character, the Crewniverse was trying to find a good way to naturally bring her back and this was a good way to me.

[@a5tr4l]

Batman Okay. I do realize the flaws with my argument

[@ChocoDoeEyes]

To be fair though, the first thing he brought up to Bismuth wasn’t “hey come to our wedding!” It was “You were right about my mom, let me explain” so at least Bismuth was brought up to speed instead of just getting dragged to a wedding lol.

[@Tobbe9975432]

This is my main issue with the show, It either doesnt take its time when it should or it takes waaaaaaaay too long to get anywhere

[@nuibaba280]

Blame the show schedule. Steven U's a show that works better in anything other than a CN cartoon schedule.

[@oneofnone7947]

Tobbe9975432 yes thank you

[@ARCHIVEgeminope]

ヌイババNuibaba i mean the scheduling is part of it, but did we need like 5 unrelated townie episodes instead of more gem development?

[@toon4thought]

geminope We honestly kind of did, because Beach City has always been like half the show. To just leave them out altogether would simply not feel right.

[@oneofnone7947]

Toon4Thought it's the timing that's bad oh my god Lars might be dead but let focus on the city

[@Laxhoop]

I mean, this show has never been big on proper set up. Or delivery. I mean, name a time when the show has gone from point A to point B without any bumps that people have just ignored?

[@djmeagaaim17]

Spencer Whiteway That is what sets the show back from being a great show though

[@Laxhoop]

djmeagaaim17 This show never had the potential to be great. It was always just going to be fine, and would never go beyond that. People just hyped it up to hell and back because it had lesbians and a mystery factor. But let me be clear, I don’t care one way or the other about the lesbians (even though they’re not women so they’re not really lesbians), but so many people think that it’s the most important thing about the show, that it’s the defining characteristic of the show. I mean, having the sexuality of a few characters be what defines your show does not sound like an idea that’s built to last five or more seasons unless you have filler... But anyways, the crewniverse do not plan things out long term. The story of the show is storyboard driven. That’s why so many plot elements get retconned later in the series. Because they just make it up as they go along. And we all know what happens when you don’t have a plan for a long running series with a mystery factor. You get Lost.

[@Asterite100]

"The crewniverse do not plan things out long term" is inaccurate. A lot of plot elements are planned in the long term, while some are created along the way. But it's not at all like, say, Adventure Time, where everything _was_ actually made up along the way. The issue is consistency between plot points. Being storyboard driven vs script driven is the difference between plot consistency I feel, but I don't recall there being any major retcons (or even minor ones for that matter).

[@Asterite100]

Even so, script driven is only a means of operation for writers. I thought Gravity Falls' entire finale, although decent, was sloppy. I think a show like Steven Universe could only be great instead of decent if it were allowed 22 minutes for every episode. With only 11 minutes, the showrunners really have to pick and choose what details are important and which aren't - leading to some things unexplained to the audience.

[@Laxhoop]

Asterite100 Yes, an episode dedicated to Smokey Quartz and how she feels, when we have never seen that character ever again, was much more important than defining Bismuth as a character. The Crewniverse HAVE the time to do these things properly, they just choose not to. Either that, or their not talented enough to know how to do things properly. And I don’t know what’s worse, actively choosing the weakest road for the show and characters, or not even understanding that you’re taking the weakest road.

[@jaybee27D]

As you mentioned at the end, I am quite annoyed that we didn’t get to see Peridot’s reaction to the Pink Diamond reveal. Surely there would’ve been something interesting to come of that

[@nuibaba280]

Not really. Everything we put together about Peridot leads to an "ok cool" reaction. She's an era 2 gem that didn't even know about the Crystal Gems back then, no way would she know about Pink Diamond. And when YD and BD come to Earth, Peridot isn't afraid of them nor freaking out. She wouldn't care if Steven was apart of some person that Peri never knew.

[@smolderiing7166]

I don't think Peridot knew about Steven being Pink Diamond. If she did, knowing Peridot, she'd make a VERY big deal out of it.

[@jaybee27D]

SmolGengar know that you mention it, I don’t think anyone ever acknowledged it in front of her. She and lapis will both probably be poofed throughout the whole Diamond controversy. It seems almost intentional. Perhaps we will get to see her reaction. Whether it be extreme or calm

[@DenderFriend]

Would her reaction to the Pink Diamond thing really be that interesting? She never seemed to even mention Pink Diamond in any of her dialogue, she didn't even know who the Crystal Gems were and was just shocked that there were any Gems on Earth, and I kind of have a feeling she lacks a lot of knowledge on the war. So if she found out Pink Diamond was Rose, she'd just be like "who is that, and who is that?"

[@TheApoke]

3:44 Uhhhh... she tried drowning Steven and Connie...

[@garrettcrumes8103]

TheApoke I don’t think she knew it was suffocating them. At the time, she likely didn’t even know what it was to suffocate as a non gem

[@DenderFriend]

Yeah, I was thinking that when he mentioned it- and if she didn't know that humans needed air to breathe, what did she think the bubble was doing? Because clearly she wasn't putting a bubble on their head to slightly inconvenience them!

[@lucasmartinez5703]

I thought she was just holding them back and the drowning was just an unfortunate part of that. I doubt she actually understood that humans need oxygen to breathe.

[@katiekatie6289]

Everyone saying she didn't know humans need oxygen; gems have been colonising planets with organic life for millennia, do you really think she didn't know organic life needed to breathe? It should be common knowledge.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

But wasn't one of those gems?

[@BlazingAzureTheta]

I think the Steven Bomb format messed with the story flow. It worked exceptionally well for the Sardonyx storyline, but that one didn't have nearly as many characters to juggle around. I think if they really wanted to make this a big event, they should have done a "mega Steven bomb" where it lasted over the course of a week and a half to 2 weeks. Either that or have the first Steven bomb be the gems dealing with the reveal and ending with Ruby popping the question, have a few episodes of town filler as like "build up" to the wedding (could even have some of the Lars fall out occur during this time maybe) and then have a second Steven bomb for Ruby and Sapphire's wedding/the Diamonds appearing. Would also give the second Steven bomb time to dwell on stuff like Steven following Lapis in their dreams, Steven checking in and hanging with the cluster, unbubbling Bismuth and that getting it's own episode when he wants Bismuth to be part of the wedding, etc.

[@djmeagaaim17]

AzureTheta I think another thing that would have helped this arc would be having each of the episodes be 22 minutes instead of 11 minutes.

[@infinitekurosoul]

But there is a clear reason she was kept bubbled, to protect Steven. They thought she was going to keep coming after him and they didn't want him or her to get hurt. I mean Steven already tried to reason with her and it didn't work, why would they have any inclination that bringing her back a second time would do the trick? And it's not like she just changed her mind immediately, when Steven released her and tried to talk she kept ignoring him and tried to release all the bubbled gems to fight back against what she thought was Rose's tyranny. It was only after she saw the corrupted gem she realized that there's so much she doesn't know and understand about the situation which makes her willing to finally hear Steven out instead of attacking. And we don't know how long they were in there talking because the episode skips the recap so it must have at least taken a while for Steven to explain everything of what happened after the war with corruption but then also the new information on Pink diamond he got from Pearl, so Bismuth had all this time to take it in. Not only did she finally get to understand why Rose turned on her, to protect herself, but Bismuth herself said that "Rose took her advise" while looking at the bubbled gems. In that moment she realized what 'shattering' a diamond had done to all of her friends by causing the other diamonds to counter with the corruption light. She understands that if they had gone through with her plan, things would not have gotten better like she thought. She even had to scream into lava to vent her emotions about all of this, so it's not like she just accepted everything happily, it hit her hard, and you can see that later on in the episode when she's sad and regrets hurting her friends. I mean not even the main crystal gems have completely forgiven Rose for the deception and I doubt Bismuth feels completely ok about it either, but I'm sure that's what future episodes will focus on in getting them to accept Rose's faults.

[@nuibaba280]

Exactly

[@Princess-Daisy]

I wish Sapphire would've gotten an episode to find out about herself like Ruby did. Maybe intersecting parts of Ruby's episode with Sapphire? I don't know, but I found it weird how it was like Ruby was putting such an emphasis on being a person outside of Garnet and once she brings that up, you realize Sapphire doesn't have much of a personality now either. And with what we were given, most of the bits of Sapphire's character that we knew had been contradicted. So now it's like we kind of get who Ruby is, but really, who is Sapphire beyond her abilities? I feel like Sapphire was glanced over a bit. Like PieGuy said, her episode was really just a flash back episode... So why am I bringing this up on a video about Bismuth? Well, I thought of something that could've worked well for both the Bismuth problem and the Sapphire problem. Instead of having it be 5 episodes, have it be _7._ That way it's a week, and then you could have your episode with Bismuth and then the one with Sapphire. I feel like Bismuth's could've been Steven uses his powers to get into Bismuth's mind and talks with her to see if she's ready to be reformed or not. This would also foreshadow to his weird time where he was kind of poofed but kind of not and sort of in everyone's head. Or the Cluster part too. Probably the Cluster part though. This way Steven could've talked with her safely and explained everything. I feel like Made of Honor would have to be altered just a bit, but then it would still work. And yeah, it wouldn't be a typical Steven Bomb format, but I don't think this should've been seen as a Steven Bomb. I feel it should've been seen as a special event. Also, if a Sapphire episode wasn't your forte, we could've had a Peridot episode where she's discovering how she feels, if she even knows who Pink Diamond was.

[@LuckyDayz]

Bismuth's "redemption" is something I was expecting and it's happened in a similar that I envisioned. She didn't need redemption, what she needed was a different valid answer. I figured that she would be bubbled until Steven found the right words to say. Steven needed something to challenge her ideals to help prevent further conflict and he found it.

[@Gatekid3]

Its unlikely bismuths ideology will come back. its already been killed. when blue landed, she said "lets put her in a bubble". it was also implied bismuth lost faith in her ideology because she said something along the lines of, it looks like she already tried my idea, referring to pink "shattering" herself. i think that was supposed to imply that bismth realized her ideology wasnt going to fix everything. when talking to steven in her initial episode she seemed to think roses pacifism made them lose the war, when in reality, shattering a diamond (the very thing she wanted to do) lead to the nuking of all gems on the planet. you can argue the diamonds would have done that anyway, but eh. so while an extra episode/ an explanation for why she was bubbled for so long would have been nice, i dont have a problem with most of the stuff you did. i also dont have a problem with her switching from attacking steven, because she lost, her last memory was attacking steven and being stabbed, she reflected and accepted she was going to be rebubbled...but then steven let her out, so first she was already left with "ok, maybe this isnt rose, but now steven let her out (something rose wouldnt have done), solidifying that this is a different person. She had no reason to believe she would get out again, and her beef was with rose, not steven, so it logical for her to no longer be hostile.

[@giovanniorellana2200]

What's the best Arc in Steven Universe?

[@djmeagaaim17]

Giovanni Orellana I still say Lapis's introduction arc (Mirror Gem & Ocean Gem), and Jasper's introduction arc (The Return & Jail Break), if you consider those story arcs. If not, then maybe the Wanted Arc.

[@espio329]

I personally liked the abduction/space arc. Everything else went downhill after that IMO.

[@djmeagaaim17]

espio329 I dont think that the Abduction Arc was that good of an arc, but the space stuff after it (Steven on Homeworld) was the Wanted arc, and that was good.

[@ShabyUwU]

Pink Zoo Arc and Heart of the Crystal Gems Arc!

[@djmeagaaim17]

Xavier Andres I disagree, the Zoo arc is ok, but hardly anything important happens in it, and the Heart of the Crystal Gems arc was just ok at best until the Reunited episode.

[@ishthewall1915]

Step one: introduce and take away an awesome character, step 2:???, Step 3: now they're suddenly better

[@FelipeSouza-gb7yf]

Sadie and Mayor Dewey got more episodes about their arcs in Season 5 than Bismuth. Let that sink in.

[@luniperstellones3364]

3:55 It was kind of the opposite. Peridot was great as a villian, but when she became small and obnoxious to make the fans love her, I've found her annoying.

[@SonicmaniaVideos]

She was just as obnoxious as a ineffective villain...

[@aguardianangel981]

I'm a simple girl. I see a Bismuth releted video, I click

[@GippyHappy]

When Steven left bismuth in the house I KNEW she would disappear but I was so relieved she wasn't gone forever. I really thought she would warp somewhere and Steven would not be able to find her and we wouldn't see her for another 50 episodes.

[@cmgvillager]

I feel like with the diamonds being here she'll get that development, In the promo you see how pissed she is at the diamonds

[@KreativAce]

I really have to disagree here. Bismuth was caught up on everything going on by Steven _before_ she talked about how she "Attacked their leader." While I do think it was rushed for the sake of time, nothing feels out of place in Bismuth's perspective. Bismuth gets a firsthand experience of Steven's leadership through their conversation in Steven's house, while you could go as far as Bismuth seeing Steven gather all of the gems around on the beach which leads to her realization that Steven has become the leader of the gems and going back to her forge. I feel like the only natural conclusion Bismuth could have is that Steven is leading them now, but I'm sure people have other interpretations.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

But even if you disagree with my specific points, don't you think it was rather fast for her to reach that conclusion? Wouldn't one more episode have been better at making that clear, rather than her extrapolating that Steven is a leader based on one conversation? Just seeing the gems gather around Steven and one conversation with him is not enough for me to believe that she really thinks he's the leader.

[@nuibaba280]

+PIEGUYRULZ Bismuth literally considers Steven better than Rose who was the leader, Steven shows enough maturity on that episode alone. Bismuth didn't need another episode to come with that mindset. Maybe Made of Honor to be longer but another episode is just plain unnecessary.

[@KreativAce]

PIEGUYRULZ I did mention feeling it was rushed in some places. However, I feel like in general nothing was out of place. It never hurts to give characters more development :P

[@Biggle]

Honestly what I thought they could've done with Bismuth was put her in lion unbubbled. That way she can't escape, but she's always in there whenever Steven goes in. I know Steven wouldn't able to talk but maybe she could say something that would make him take her out of Lion or even Lars, and talk.

[@purplexd6239]

In the episode Bismuth I took it as Bismuth was confused. Bismuth thought Steven was still Rose and thought things hadn’t changed and by the end she comes to realize that rose IS gone and that maybe she needed to rethink things.

[@undergalaxy775]

And then people say SU spends too much time in character development and not real action

[@rhondahoward8025]

I almost fully agree. Where did all that anger go? I mean Bismuth was PASSIONATE! Vengeful, traumatized, angry, you name it. I liked that side of Bismuth. Rose was a pretty big damn deal to Bismuth and their fight was no small spat either. I didn't buy that quick scream into the lava bath and then joking around about bringing up the Breaking Point to Pink/Rose.

[@lukesta6344]

Great video! I do agree with most of your points here. However, more importantly, where is spongebob season 10 review?

[@aaronrice8682]

Also, what is your favorite season of SU so far? And how does it compare to all the others?

[@brianbrush5107]

When she said she "attacked there leader" she was talking about with rose the first time she was bubbled

[@maximuspint2655]

I have an idea, what if they made a episode about Bismuth but in that bubble. If I am correct (which I doubt I am) gems can still think while they're in gem form. So then they would be explaining Bismuth's thoughts, so if done correctly can make some character development for Bismuth and could explain why she acts that way towards Steven.

[@usermcskull4713]

Do you ever plan to bring back "Spongey Bits?"

[@janedoe-ld5gt]

Honestly they can't spend all their time on a side characters arc, and you clearly do understand what they were going for regardless. If the show worked with the 20 min formatted episodes, details would obviously be more fleshed out, but for what they're working with they did a great job.

[@blaa6]

There is one easy way to have solved this. Do what Spongebob did and make 3-5 minute shorts with all the filler episodes this season. Then, use the extra space for a second Bismuth episode.

[@toon4thought]

I seem to be the only fan who still quite likes how the show is exclusively in Steven's POV. IMO it gives the show a unique means of storytelling that allows us to discover things along with him.

[@nuibaba280]

Also the fact the world's way too lively to work in a show schedule. Things would get messy if Steven wasn't the focus.

[@DenderFriend]

I think I like it- sure, there are plenty of plots we miss by not being in his perspective, but there's plenty we would miss if we didn't. It would be way more frustrating if we got everything revealed to us before Steven did, because then we'd just be thinking "when's Steven going to learn all this stuff we learned?"

[@fightingmedialounge519]

So then the writers would just not reveal everything to the audience.

[@troymyjam9866]

I would like to say that Steven did explain the situation to Bismuth, and since Steven was the only one who didn't really fall apart or have some huge scene freaking out about it, he is acting like a composed leader.

[@peterpiper8203]

I feel like they’re gonna make an episode later where Bismuth breaks down and asks why they didn’t try to free her

[@monkey-network]

I wouldn't say a jail cell for Bismuth, I say Steven releases her and she runs off to the forge, the one salvaged place of her life

[@a5tr4l]

I think the reason why Bismuth considered Steven the leader is because even though at this point she is aware that he isn’t Rose, she probably still believes that he has to fill her role.

[@espio329]

wait. so there wasn't an episode between the question and made of honor? i thought i went crazy there for a second.

[@OrpheusMC]

For me, Bismuth attacking Steven to kill him is slightly understandable because she legitimately thought that Steven was Rose Quartz in a different form. Bismuth never really wrapped her head around what Steven said he was and when he started speaking exactly like Rose, she thought it had been a trick. At the end of their fight Steven convinced Bismuth with his honesty that he is a different person. So it makes sense for Bismuth not to take out her anger at Rose against Steven anymore. As for her ideology being sidestepped. I’d say it was definitely hand-waved away but not entirety ignored. Rose in a way did take Bismuth’s advice by faking her shattering and once Bismuth learned that and the consequences of that kind of action, it changed her. Mind you both of these subjects could have benefited from another episode about Bismuth in between and there really is no addressing why exactly Rose and then the Gems wanted to keep Bismuth bubbled so I still agree with you.

[@izzy_izzy_izzybelle]

yES. YES YES YES YES. it was so aaa weird. she was just like 'okay lmao.' when i think that bismuth should have been more affected and not just over in a second. she didn't even know that rose shattered pink diamond before the big reveal, and she just took it. thank you for coming to my ted ta i also think the same with reunited. we weren't given time to process that rose was pd, and neither did the characters. its really jolting when suddenly EVERYONE knows without time to process it. like, we didn't even see pd that long ago, it was just too close to the other episodes that it felt kinda forced.

[@nuibaba280]

Not really??? Pearl long knew, Garnet unsplit over it and decided to move on once Sapphire found out Rose was fighting for them, Amethyst isn't stuck in the past and doesn't want to be responsible for what Rose did, Peridot literally didn't know who the Crystal Gems were at first back when she was bad of course she wouldn't know nor care who PD was. No one's going to be sucking up to Rose anymore.

[@nuibaba280]

Bismuth's reaction wasn't "okay cool" she screamed into lava and assumed Rose bubbled all the Corrupts because they disagreed with her. That's in character, back in her debut she came to terms that Steven wasn't Rose and was better than Rose at the end of the arc. She had no reason to snap at Steven. Bismuth clearly doesn't like Rose but since everyone has beef with her no one has a problem with her not liking Rose. Bismuth points out that the CGs are still together because Steven gave them hope for the future, Steven managed to talk to her and calm her down too. Bismuth had zero reason at any point to just try to attack Steven or quit. Because she cares for the team, everyone in it that's not Rose and she's made of honor.

[@izzy_izzy_izzybelle]

the episodes were back to back. the entire cast was introduced to this HUGE information and the time they had to process it was little. yeah sure, they 'got over it fast,' but it didn't seem natural. ruby was (from what we saw, which is important) unaffected, i felt as though amethyst should have had a bigger reaction because the person who thought she was everything was a lie, and bismuth just brushed it off. this would have been fine, we'd have future episodes to look everything over, buT THEN THE DIAMONDS, IN WHICH HAVEN'T EVEN INTERACTED WITH ANY OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS OUTSIDE OF STEVEN, TURN UP AND THEY LEARN THIS INFORMATION. it was too quick, and when the show has spaced out reveals in the past, including when we thought rose shattered pd, its too much to take on

[@izzy_izzy_izzybelle]

everything bismuth did clashed with her prior episode. bismuth thought everything of the crystal gems, and would fight for the death for her cause, and yet her anger isn't shown and shes over it in a second. so many things werent natural, she shouldnt process this so fast when she took so long to process stuff in her debut. she also had no reason to believe steven when she was set free, eSPECIALLY WHEN THEY TRAPPED HER IN A HECKING BUBBLE AGAIN!! AFTER LEARNING EVERYTHING!! bismuth's personality is aggressive, and her reaction was so fast and out of character that it was basically 'ok cool, wheres the wedding??'

[@nuibaba280]

And how do we know that we're not going to see more issues about it? Amethyst still has her insecurities and she's faced with it several episodes down the lane and she still has them. These "back to back episodes" simply move the Gems out of a dark place. Hell Steven's song acknowledged that they still have the issues but they choose to think about something else. Not really on the Amethyst point. Rose is not as big to her as you think she is. Amethyst was fond of Rose but she's the first to accept Rose is gone. Amethyst doesn't hate Rose but she refuses to fall apart over it which makes sense.

[@aaronrice8682]

Is there a possibility that your “Out Of the Picture” tweet was just a troll or do you actually have a strong feeling towards it?

[@djmeagaaim17]

Aaron Rice What tweet? and by who?

[@aaronrice8682]

djmeagaaim17 check Pieguy’s twitter

[@georgemoore8432]

I thought I was the only one that felt that way about the episode. The episode was good, but it didn't adress bismuth's views, and her knowing why she was wrong, it just goes to her changing her mind right away

[@pockystyx4087]

What's a wedding?

[@TheMarcus4]

I feel like other than maybe mentioning Bismuth more in previous episodes in the 50 episode gap we had between Bismuth and Maid of Honor, That Made of Honor probably should have been a 22 minute episode, because then that would mean a lot more time dedicated to addressing the problems we have in Maid of Honor, like how they sidestepped over Bismuth ideology or give the reason as to why the Crystal Gems kept her bubbled or even had them talk with Bismuth at the end of the episode about the whole thing, then that would make it seem more complete. Considering that Steven's talk with her was pretty much "yeah what you tried to do to me by shattering / killing me was wrong but it turns out you were right and we want to give you a second chance" , having the extra time from a hypothetical 22-minute episode dedicated to explain it more and depth probably would have helped smoothed it over better and make it feel more earned. Like its still a good episode, it just needed more time to make it into a great episode. I feel like Steven Universe just simply doesn't have enough time for the more interesting stories because of the 11-minute format, like in Now We're only Falling Apart, I feel like it should have been given at least a couple of more minutes to make the dialogue seen a little less rushed at the very least, especially where Rose was like excited about fitting in one second and the next thanking Pearl for talking her into disguising herself without a small beat to slow down, that felt a little too fast and that one more minute would have made-it feel a little less rushed. Like not every episode needs to be 22 minutes long, many episodes work fine as 11 minutes, but aside from a prioritizeation of what the crew should do as the most important things to get out in the episode, they need a few more 22-minute episodes to help smooth things out with some plot threads or ideas that feel a bit rushed, that have heavy plot significance.

[@magicalranter224]

Speaking of arcs do seddie

[@leGUIGUI]

She saw him as the leader because the other gems stick with his decision to rebubbled her.

[@Kamodomon]

I will always agree that SU needs longer episodes to flesh things out. When the show is done and we look back on it years from it's finale, we'll definitely say the biggest, critical flaw of the show is it's need to be 22 minutes. I do have issues with a few of your recommendations . Like with Steven needing to tell everyone what he was doing to talk about it. It is heavily implied with the blanket scene that Steven wanted it to be a surprise for everyone involved. It also shows that he was confident that he could reach Bismuth with words, adding to him and his growth at this point. As for imprisoning Bismuth... I don't think that's really humane to stick someone in a cage as apposed to bubbling. It's kinda like taunting them continuously. Also, she's not human, she's a Gem and we haven't really seen a good way to contain a Gem without the new tech that homeworld possesses. So that would mean someone would have to stay on watch to make sure Bismuth didn't act out and the Crystal Gems just don't have the numbers (or strength. I'm not confident anyone but Garnet or Lapis could restrain Bismuth and Lapis isn't reliable at this point to do so) to pull that off with everything they have to deal with on a random basis. Bubbling seems to be the best way to deal with it. I will agree with your point of wanting to see more flashbacks, and going more indepth with characters. I didn't like Sapphire's near throw-away line that gave Steven the idea in the first place. It would have been nice to see Sapphire lement a bit more. Or have that flashback between Rose and Bismuth. Reunited showed off WHY story/character-driven shows just need more time. But this show takes a lot of risks with it's themes. Having that wedding... That's historical. And important for people in places that can never have that be their reality. Thank you for taking the time to make the video. Appreciate having different opinion to help stir conversation and also force people to think about the story and characters a bit more. Love ya PIE!

[@lucasmartinez5703]

I feel like when a show's biggest criticism is that "it needs to have longer episodes," it kinda shows how good the show really is when the main problem is "we don't have enough of it give us more." It could be better, but it was always good.

[@djmeagaaim17]

Kamodomon This show also needs a script

[@Kamodomon]

That's true. Leaving people wanting more isn't necessarily bad, but Reunited shows off how much better the show could be.

[@Kamodomon]

+djmeagaaim Script? How do you mean

[@djmeagaaim17]

Kamodomon I meant that the show should become more script driven instead of story board driven

[@willbthebassist539]

I don't know how to feel about Bismuth's return. On one hand, she's a really interesting with a ton of unrealized potential for future episodes. On the other, she did try to kill Steven (regardless of whether she thought he was Rose in disguise) and her return was forced. That in itself is my problem with Steven Universe. So often, the writers simply kick the can down the road with their storylines (Lapis, Lars and the off-colors, Homeworld and the Diamonds) or introduce something only for it to become a non-factor a few episodes later (Bismuth, the Cluster). Though seeing how amazing Re-United was, maybe that was the plan all along.

[@leotamer5]

I feel like there is a very good reason why Bismuth acts the way that she does, it is just not explained very well. There is clearly a cut-scene of Steven explaining everything to Bismuth. This scene was cut for obvious reasons. But this scene explains why she acts the way she does. She feels guilty. I feel like Bismuth blames herself for the destruction of the crystal gems. It was her idea to shatter Pink Diamond, and when Pink Diamond shattered, that was when the corruption wave was sent to earth. This was the moment where Bismuth changed her mind. This is the moment where Bismuth realized that she failed.

[@amaridesu1141]

Definitely. sadly she only had a few lines about this in a very speedy episode sadly. Maybe he forgot about that, which is a valid reaction too and only showcases the point of this being rushed

[@lemons2476]

It did feel very tacked on, or shoe-horned in. I would have preferred an entire episode dedicated to Bismuth too. I feel if the show had 20 minute episode as a norm, it would be a much better show.

[@eatatjoes6751]

But how else would we have gotten such developmental classics as "Dewey Wins", "Gemcation", "Sadie Killer" and "the Big Show?", Pieguy?

[@DreamDis]

I think they should have started making episodes at lease 15-20 minutes. (Reunited could have been an hour ;) )

[@DarkkirbyKRPG]

I didn't like this arc at all. It focused way too much on things that weren't relevant to the big reveal, which is what began the whole thing in the first place, and the conclusion felt rushed and unearned. The whole reason Sapphire unfused from Ruby was because of the lie they lived as Garnet because of Rose, or how they felt about that. However all of that is forgotten the minute the first episode ends, and now it becomes a quest to find Ruby (who wasn't even lost in the first place) and then we have a wedding...just because. Maybe it was to represent LGBTQQQQQR+++ or whatever, but it felt incredibly forced and out of place in my opinion (not that they are both female and getting married, just that it happened in this very moment of big reveals and consequences). Then suddenly Steven decides to unbubble Bismuth, and a lot of things are loaded onto her for processing....and she gets over them rather quickly. That's my main problem with this entire arc and the big reveal itself: *No one CARES.* No one in-universe cares. Not Greg, not Amethyst, not Bismuth, not Ruby, hell maybe not even Steven. Sapphire attempted to care but she was dragged back to the status quo and to have a wedding. Nothing was affected by the reveal of Pink Diamond, to the point that it might as well never had happened and everything would be just the same. Ruby could have wanted to marry Sapphire for completely different reason and nothing would change. Then all of a sudden the Diamonds arrive because of course they did, and they get "redeemed" by a new magical power that of course Steven has. It was overall clunky, rushed, unfocused and in all seriousness, completely irrelevant to it all except for Bismuth coming back. At this point, I'm sure I can describe Steven Universe as "A show that wants to have things happen but they don't actually happen." It has overall ok to good episodes that can stand on their own, but when they attempt to make them an overarching plot, it just falls flat on its face because every single episode seems to forget the things that happened previously (like you mentioned, Bismuth's conflict for example).

[@djmeagaaim17]

DarkK~ Well i think that Steven Universe as whole is just an average show with a few above average episodes

[@luniperstellones3364]

This is an example of why Steven Universe is bad at arcs. When they're done, they do little for the plot. And they don't focus on their main priorities. The cluster arc was a major let down, peridot is pretty much comic relief now instead of a villain with a lot of potential, and don't even get me started on the steven/connie arc. The only steven bomb that I can think of that changed any part of the show was when homeworld gems were taking the crystal gems. This arc parallels with the steven/connie one. When something big has happened or is revealed, the show focuses on something that was unnecessary and annoying. We could have actually gotten to know Ruby and Sapphire as characters, but what's the point if they're gonna fuse into Garnet? "The Answer" and "Hit the Diamond" were really bad episodes, but we could have seen more. Don't you think that the PD reveal would've gotten more attention that this?! I know a lot of people are talking about the wedding, but I don't see why. They already acted like a couple and cartoons using LGBT characters has gotten old by the point. It's not special and it's only used in shows to get more attention.

[@djmeagaaim17]

Luniper Stellones The problem is that they never trully adress any of the conflicts brought up in these arc, or in the show in general. They just dance around the conflicts, and sweep them under the rug. Then there is the problem that there is never any real consequences for anything that happens in this show. So its almost like nothing actually happens

[@lynn4840]

Maybe my memory's wrong, but did they ever end up addressing that Bismuth may or may not have been the one who poofed Lapis during the war? It just seems strange that we saw that happen in Lapis' flashback, but it has yet to be brought up again. It is possible that it was a different Bismuth, but knowing Sugar I doubt it. Maybe they could have found something to do with that between her debut episode and Made of Honor.

[@ripwitch9833]

They didn't as far as I know.

[@nuibaba280]

They had Diamonds to fight. Now that Lapis and Bismuth coexist now we'll likely see it in the future

[@geread3900]

Oh

[@carl8790]

The other day, I disagree with you, Pieguyrulez for the 22 min length episodes. Now, I'm in agreement with you for the format, but only with episodes that focuses on the heavy plot stuff. I truly believe that if this episode was a bit longer, Steven and bismuth's resolution wouldn't have felt rushed. Also, the way how the CGs openly accepted bismuth was really weird. In the bismuth episode, it seem that after bismuth's true intentions were revealed, they didn't know how to deal with her and kept her bubbled. I was at least expecting some distrust from the CGs when bismuth appeared with Steven, but of course they didn't have the time to do all of that, which all comes back on why some of these more plot heavy episodes should be longer.

[@saj-manthesonicfan1893]

Didn't even watch the video yet, but I absolutely agree. Bismuth turned WAY too fast. That was some unrealistic stuff. I love that Bismuth is good again, but I don't like the way we got here. > .> Okay, I'm gonna actually watch it now XDDD I love your ideas for what Sugar should have done to make Bismuth's return and redemption more natural and impactful. I also thought that Lapis came back way too fast, we should have seen her on her own, grappling with her fear about staying on Earth with the Crystal Gems.

[@valentine8811]

Nice.

[@snbsixteen6stars201]

Needs more bismath

[@Birdyboys]

I feel all of this. Bismuth really didn’t need to be held back for so long, especially since it feels like Steven only brought her back felt bc Sapphire wanted more of her friends at the wedding

[@nuibaba280]

Yes she did. She directly disagreed with the CGs on everything, she tried to kill Steven and she dislikes Rose. Steven needed a break from her. Rose being revealed as a flawed person around the time Garnet had a wedding was the perfect time to bring Bismuth back since everyone has some issues with Rose now.

[@Birdyboys]

ヌイババNuibaba she tried to kill Steven because she presumed he was Rose and was furious that Rose punished her for wanting to kill her oppressors and save the gems. She literally lost all her friends and knew it was Rose’s fault

[@nuibaba280]

She was a threat to Steven's safety and the CGs were paranoid. No one knew how Bismuth would react or act. She's unpredictable and Steven being nervous about letting her out proves it.

[@nuibaba280]

Neat opinion, disagree though she didn't need one. Bismuth was fine

[@ganon_t99]

ヌイババNuibaba nuibaba is hawt!!

[@nuibaba280]

+Morbidcrab She's here to stay so we will get more Bismuth, literally the best solution

[@chillstoneblakeblast3172]

Ganon Tice when you realize that in Gaiden she was a guy

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Thanks for your always helpful input.

[@Monty2289]

In fairness Bismuth did basically declare before her poofing that Steven was in fact better than Rose...coming to terms with the fact that he is not the same person. Bismuth's beef from Isolation is a lot calmer here because of it or at the very least because Steven just came out and said it. And though they skip over the entire explanation Bismuth's reaction is understandable. Rose was never the hero Bismuth wanted and then she makes sense. Instead of a big bombasted I told you so she's basically like: "Well that makes sense in the most ironic sense imaginable. Rose give me more of a purpose in defeating the Diamonds. All of our allies died and all the suffering we went through for Rose's 'cause'?" Oh she was a Diamond"

[@DenderFriend]

What Bismuth said in the episode was "Somebody's making them believe in the future, and it's you." She knows that the thing that makes the Crystal Gems different from when she was around to now is 1. Steven is there in place of Rose and 2. Almost all of the Crystal Gems are corrupted. She must have put two and two together and thought that if Steven is the one who replaced Rose, and if the Crystal Gems are still a team despite everything that happened, Steven must be the one who contributed to it. Also, I feel like the main reason the Gems forgave Bismuth despite what happened between her and Steven was mostly because they've known Bismuth for long enough that they're able to forgive her for what was mostly a mistake; you could say the Crystal Gems are too forgiving of her just because she's a friend, but that's just what it seems like. I do agree that the episode did seem fastpaced, but I think it addressed the things it needed to fairly well

[@nuibaba280]

Exactly. People assume stuff without checking over the dialogue. It didn't take rocket science to know Steven's the one keeping the team together. Of course Bismuth would call him a leader

[@DenderFriend]

I'm glad you thought I made a good point- I do agree that they should've addressed why Bismuth wasn't unbubbled, although I can assume it was mostly just the fact that she attacked Steven and they didn't know what she'd do if they unbubbled her, and Steven hadnt' felt like admitting about wanting to unbubble her.

[@phlyarologist1987]

Eh. I don’t understand the want or need for having an entire episode dedicated to explaining the motivations of the Crystal Gems on this one. Made of Honor was paced a little weird, but personally I don’t really think spelling out their motivations for every action they take is a way to fix the pacing of the show.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

The conflict was "will the gems forgive and accept me", so an episode about why she was bubbled and why she should stay bubbled is needed to properly set up the conflict. Since the ending of "Bismuth" is silent, and the gems never mention her specifically again... how exactly do they feel about her? I do understand the concern of pacing, but surely within her 50 episode absence, they could have fit in one Bismuth episode. As I explained the whole episode did not need to be about why she stayed bubbled, but we needed to see a little more of Bismuth for this conclusion to feel like it really paid off.

[@Blubatt]

I disagree. Sapphire's episode would have been the same for Bismuth

[@nuibaba280]

They acknowledged the important parts that Bismuth needed to know... Corruption and the PD = Rose. Sure she took it well but that's a result of character development since Steven managed to win her over at the end that Steven's not Rose. Why in the hell would Bismuth snap at Steven again?

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

I wonder if Bismuth's VA is expensive. That's my guess on the lack of a Bismuth return arc.

[@djmeagaaim17]

Jackson Furlong That could be it, but then again, that is there fault for getting such an expensive actor (if it is the case) to voice the character.

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

djmeagaaim17 I completely agree. There are plenty of talented VA's out there who could do it for less. I hope she doesn't get put on a bus for the rest of the season.

[@shlee3422]

This problem could been solved if they just shown the conversation between Steven and the crystal gems telling them everything that happened That could have been an entire episode

[@smolderiing7166]

It would of been boring

[@nuibaba280]

Never happening. A show with nothing happening but taking would kill ratings

[@shlee3422]

You have a point but I feel the show should show a few more conversations otherwise it starts to feel rushed

[@lucasmartinez5703]

That would've been redundant as we already know what they would have talked about it.

[@herrikudo]

Could you do a solo review of the whole arc? That would be fantastic. Ive honestly got a lot of problems with this bomb. It felt very rushed and honestly... fan-service-y... i hated we wasted half the final episode on a pointless wedding between two characters together for 5000+ years... only to have an ending the way they did with no discussion of value on the BOMBSHELL A Single Pale Rose was. They specifically say "lets not talk about this thing everyone wants to talk about and not see how these characters feel about this" with steven's song, and amethyst's (AMAZINGLY WELL DONE granted) maturing moment.

[@lucasmartinez5703]

I got the impression from Steven's song and the wedding organizing that the characters don't want to actually talk about the recent revelations with Rose and just focus on their happiness. They're deliberately dodging the issue. I actually laughed when I realized that because that's a very human thing to do when faced with something unpleasant. You want to put it on the shelf and not acknowledge it until you're ready to. That would explain why it feels rushed too. They're kinda rushing things themselves.

[@herrikudo]

Lucas Martinez i see your point and i agree that it is very human. Issue i have with that though: they still wrote it in the most annoying way possible knowing *fully* that cartoon network airs them like ass, making this feel even more fillery. Frankly the wedding and the ruby-saphire rehashed arc (seriously we've been through this nonsense already) is kinda dumb... there is much more that bothered me but i need to rewatch the arc again to finalize my thoughts. Realy though i hated the fact that steven and perl went to get saphire, instead of everyone going and hearing pearl's confession, or just steven and ruby. Biggest disapointment to me was that they decided to fall back on expexted outcomes, namely pink was just childish. They could have surprised all of us and had pink be morally ambiguous. She could have been a character comperable to Darth Revan (star wars knights of the old republic). Doing messed up things in times of war so that there would at least be something left to fight for after the war is over. Sacraficing cities A through C to save cities D through Z. I have more but its getting long winded now i can go into more detail if you wish? Apologies for spelling errors I'm on my phone and I type like an illiterate on touch screens haha

[@nuibaba280]

Soooo basically in the your second reply "H-Haituses is what makes this FILLER" pfft lol. You're letting haituses affect your viewpoint on the show's writing and that's a shitty mindset. "we've been through this nonsense already" not. at. all. Ruby and Sapphire NEVER had a situation of Rose lying to them and now they're their own independent fusion that has no one telling them to fuse. Have better excuses to bitch.

[@lucasmartinez5703]

I largely don't share the same sentiments towards these episodes that you do. I'll just leave it at that.

[@herrikudo]

Lucas Martinez fair. Not trying to attack you or anything i respect your initial comment that was an interesting perspective

[@oneofnone7947]

My main issue is the very bad message it pushes and how they keep writing around it ever story has a villain

[@djmeagaaim17]

One Of none What do you mean?

[@oneofnone7947]

djmeagaaim17 they refuse to have a villain only misunderstanding witch is horrible and has really hurt the show it means everything will be solved though friendship and love when my little pony is telling a more mature story with much less drama you failed

[@djmeagaaim17]

One Of none I agree with that. Its why the whole (nothing happens and nothing matters) is such a big problem. There is no real consequences for anything that happens, and everything can just be resolved with the power of friendship. Its funny how they continue to set up dark and deep storylines, but never actually commit to them.

[@nuibaba280]

No one really cares if you dislike the fact Steven talks to his enemies. That's how the show always been and it's not going to be shonen tier where there's a villain and it's black and white. "Dark and deep storylines" and they're still there but a lot of issues are handled maturely.

[@nuibaba280]

Nice unrealistic expectations regardless though, this thing that you're bitching about is never changing. The Diamonds were too OP for the Gems to win against anyway.

[@RandomPerson-gt1jt]

So more evidence that steven universe episodes should be 22 minutes long... would have given a lot more time for Bismuth to develop and go through more of an arc.

[@nuibaba280]

No room for that. The diamonds were already coming and a dear friend of Bismuth's was having a wedding. No reason to not put it on the backburner and deal with it later. That happened to several other CGs. Amethyst still has insecurities and Pearl still has some issues as well. Some of them are gone but she still is obsessed with Rose and the past. We don't know for sure if we're not getting another episode of Bismuth issues.

[@Numbuh214]

I believe you're forgetting that Bismuth might assume Steven is the leader of the Crystal Gems because he is Rose's son, and has her gem. Age aside, he definitely showed hints and glimmers of maturity and leadership capability to Bismuth in her debut episode; but I doubt she knows much about the human life cycle, if anything at all. After all, we've seen that Gems typically have adult-level mental maturity at birth. So, as a result of that... she might not innately understand that Steven isn't yet emotionally mature enough to be the leader of a rebellion his mother started. However, he seems to be the answer she was looking for after all.

[@tashaem1]

Bismuth was still right. Just because the diamonds MIGHT see the light doesn't mean that a weapon like hers shouldn't still be in the crystal gems repertoire. It doesn't mean the diamonds shouldn't pay for their crimes throughout the galaxy.

[@nuibaba280]

They paid for it in a different way rather than the easy way out. They suffered years of grief and suffering. Also PD's "shattering" literally proves that shattering a diamond will NOT solve your issues. Bismuth admits to that once Steven told her everything.

[@tashaem1]

ヌイババNuibaba That's balderdash, my friend. War criminals don't get to go free because they've felt bad about stuff unrelated to the crimes they committed.

[@nuibaba280]

+tashaem1 And those war criminals had to suffer loss for thousands of years. SU won't brush past those issues but it's not going to straight up kill them off without a chance of the Diamonds speaking and having to answer for their crimes. The promo proves that they were unaware of what their beam did to gems they thought it destroyed the gems not corrupted them

[@amaridesu1141]

Tash is right, the loss they suffered means shit for the worlds they've killed for their own kind and literal souls they shattered and glued together to the point that their confusion and suffering in trying to form (but not being able to) to use as a biobomb for a planet lol. Now, they don't need to die.. But they need to fucking fix so much of what they do and try and restore as much as they can possibly restore. Being unaware of the beam's effects means nothing, as they've committed far and enough for that not to matter

[@Asterite100]

Sure, but Bismuth wasn't just after the Diamonds. She was after upper crusts like Lapis and soldiers like the Zoo Amethysts. I think Rose was more worried about Bismuth taking out every gem in her path on her way to the Diamonds. [speculation:] Also, I think Rose knew that the Diamonds would not succumb to the Breaking Point, so Bismuth would end up getting herself killed as well as anyone else she convinced to take on the Diamonds with her.

[@robbywilliamson4152]

I didn’t really have a problem with Made of Honor, but I wouldn’t be upset if an episode such as Future Boy Zoltron, Onion Gang, or Rocknaldo had been scrapped in favor of an intermediate Bismuth episode.

[@nuibaba280]

Mr. Smiley got development and we find out more of his past. I'm fine with Zircon. Onion has development shown in Onion Gang so fine with me... Rocknaldo... If nothing in that episode changes Ronaldo that episode was honestly shit.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

Is "development" the only thing that you consider important?

[@nuibaba280]

+PIEGUYRULZ Development's a major piece of writing and getting to know the character. Zircon and Onion Gang provide both, despite Mr. Smiley being a recurring character we knew nothing about him until that episode. Humans have always been apart of the show since, ever. That's frankly ridiculous if you expect them to shaft a major part of the show's identity. There's some exceptions of course like the Diamonds and the show knows that.

[@dummyproductions4281]

Steven universe will bless yo soul, theese BISMUTH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@user-to1vd5bb8o]

Pffft development of the interesting core characters yea no LETS SEE WAHT QUIRKY AND RANDOM THINGS THE CITIZENS OF BEACH CITY ARE DOING xD.

[@nuibaba280]

>Yet several of the core cast gets major development Nice strawman in a shitty attempt to bash a main part of the show :)

[@izzymcgee2527]

Made of Honor should've also been 22 minutes long.

[@hakjob9847]

I want to know peridots reaction to steven being pink diamond

[@nuibaba280]

She doesn't care nor know Pink Diamond. She didn't even know who the Crystal Gems were at first. She's not scared of Yellow Diamond nor Blue Diamond either. Her reaction is summed up to: "ok cool"

[@hakjob9847]

ヌイババNuibaba I doubt that, peridot is a know it all character. she wanted to know so badly who bismuth was so I'm pretty sure well get some reaction. And like I said I want to see it even if it is dull, that would make it probably better

[@hakjob9847]

ヌイババNuibaba she also didn't know rose quartz but her interactions with steven was still interesting whenever anything him and gem related came up

[@nuibaba280]

She wasn't eager to found out, she just asked if she was going to be introduced to the new gem on the block that's holding hands with Steven. PD's some random gem on the past. Peridot had no place in the fallout of PD = Rose. Makes sense why she wasn't there.

[@hakjob9847]

I think you missed entirely what i first commented. i said i wanted to see her reaction. good, bad or nothing of significance it wouldn't have mater to me. whether she cared or not didn't matter because i just like peridot. so it is kinda weird that you feel i shouldn't want to see how a fictional character would react to a situation. if my favorite character was Lars i would of felt the same way even tho i know for a fact he wouldn't care since he doesn't even care that he died (or at least they never mention it). i just think you need to sit back and relax for a bit because it sounds like you want to start a youtube argument over a fictional series even though all i said was "I want to know peridots reaction to Steven being pink diamond". but whatever i guess

[@oneofnone7947]

Everything leading up to the wedding was very poorly done

[@djmeagaaim17]

One Of none Why do you say that?

[@oneofnone7947]

djmeagaaim17 pink was glossed over only sapphire reacted naturally and oh look bismuth they just kept thoughing stuff at us with no context

[@DenderFriend]

Honestly I disagree- for an 11 minute format, they did a good job bringing back Bismuth. It isn't exactly say Sapphire is the only one to react naturally, everyone reacted the way you'd expect them to based on their personalities.

[@travisb.honest2438]

I thought that the Bismuth arc was done well. In her first episode, Bismuth did come to terms with Steven not being Rose, that is why she thought that Steven would go with the Breaking Point, which Rose rejected leading to Bismuth's first poofing. Bismuth was also stuck in the old ways, also thinking that the War was still going on. It didn't really sink in till Made of Honor were she fought her first corrupted gem, in Biggs. The reason se saw Steven as the leader of the Crystal gems was the fact that Garnet was unfused, so her fist thought would be that Steven was the leader.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

Why would her first thought not be Pearl?

[@travisb.honest2438]

I think the episode may have needed to go into more detail with it but I will try to explain. It was because she saw that Steven, with Garnet gone, was the one that gave the others hope, not Pearl but Steven. So that could explain it.

[@nuibaba280]

+Travis B. Honest Yes exactly, Steven gave the others not just Garnet hope for the CGs

[@psychicflora]

A Lot of those lose bits are in the cómics, have you check those?

[@rainpooper7088]

I never understood why they rebubbled Bismuth in the first place. Yeah, she tried to kill Steven, but aside from the fact that she did realize he wasn’t Rose in the end *and* the Breaking Point already being destroyed at that point, she can‘t even think about her actions when she’s in a bubble since she’s basically frozen in time if Peridot in Catch and Release is any indication. Heck, even Bismuth herself asks how long she was gone in the same episode meaning she clearly didn’t have a sense of consciousness when bubbled unlike Lapis in her mirror who was aware of everything around her. What was the point of keeping Bismuth bubbled? There was no indication for any of them that the situation would change this drastically except for maybe Pearl who knew who Rose really was and Bismuth clearly wasn’t going to change when in a bubble. Heck, why didn’t Garnet and Pearl try to talk to her and explain that PD‘s „shattering“ was what wiped out the other Crystal Gems while Steven isn’t looking. I can’t really get behind the logic of the characters here. I think it would have been better if Steven lost Bismuth‘s Gem after she poofed, but still told the others everything. They would return to the forge region in order to rescue her, but her Gem is nowhere to be found. Bismuth already reformed and freed herself and being too ashamed to meet up with the Crystal Gems right away, goes on a journey by herself. Garnet sees this with her future vision and realizes that this is what Bismuth needs right now in order to reflect on herself and everything that happened, so knowing that she’s going to be alright they decide to let her go her own way. During the wedding preparations, Steven hears word(maybe from Ronaldo) of a tall rainbow-haired figure that showed up in the area recently and immediately knows it’s Bismuth. He goes and finds her and gives her all the updates about Pink Diamond, she tells him about her adventure and the realizations she’s come to, Made of Honor ensues.

[@luniperstellones3364]

I don't think Bismuth being poofed would've been necessary, but your idea is way better.

[@gracekim25]

To protect Steven …it’s very obvious 😅

[@wisdommanari6701]

Dude your defensive lapis is the same thing as everybody else's theory is why they kept bismuth in a bubble. Even if she had only suffocated him until he was unconscious that still causes long-term lung damage.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

But her goal wasn't to kill Steven. It never was. She was acting erratic and chaotic while shattered and her powers never act like that again. Regardless there is a progression from "attack Steven" to "Part of the Team" It doesn't happen anywhere near as fast as Bismuth and that is the important thing.

[@nuibaba280]

+PIEGUYRULZ Bismuth doesn't need that "progression" though and to think that is ridiculous. Bismuth has long been an ally, she's fond of the team and the team is fond of her. She's also a dedicated CG to the core. She comes to terms that Steven's better than Rose in her debut episode at the end. To believe that Bismuth needs "redemption" is ridiculous. All she factually needed was a talk and for Steven to show everything's fine between them so the CGs aren't a bit parnoid.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

If all she needed was a talk, why did the gems keep her bubbled for so long instead of talking to her? She tried to point blank kill the main character, how on Earth can you argue that she DOESN'T need redemption?

[@nuibaba280]

Because everyone tries to kill Steven but since they regret their actions they get on by, Bismuth was no different. She knows she's in the wrong. It's why she thinks she won't be on the team anymore. She literally says she blew it and she knows what she did was out of line. The CGs didn't let her out because like Steven they didn't know how she was going to react or act.

[@nuibaba280]

Redemption is for enemies/people not on the CG's side. Bismuth has long been on their side. She needed a talk and a chance. She stopped believing he was Rose so it gave Steven the perfect chance. The CGs again didn't unbubble her because like Steven they can't read her like a book, they don't know how she'll react/act in every situation.

[@DavidGarcia-kd8nu]

Bismuth literally said that she knew she was kept bubbled because of the fact that she attacked Steven. Watch the entire episode please

[@wisdommanari6701]

Hey man, at the forge she says that he's the leader because he's the heart he's holding everybody together Garnet split up so he's the one stepping up and holding the team together. And that is why she thinks he is the real leader

[@manbat1168]

thank you kanye, very cool!

[@torturetesttakeover9436]

What do u mean lapis didn't have any control yes she did she tried to drown Steven he is half Human and that would kill him so I disagree with ur point about that

[@kaylemathewcomendador7614]

lit all day every day it was a accident I guess.

[@torturetesttakeover9436]

No lapis made the clones an had full control over them

[@kaylemathewcomendador7614]

lit all day every day he did say it might have a reflex or something in this video, so it might have been some kind of accident.

[@ganon_t99]

Potatoes

[@gracekim25]

I thought the way they handled it was fine

[@BluffsCastle]

I think that Bismuth's 'redemption', if that's what you want to call it, was kinda rushed. That being said, Made of Honor is not a bad episode, but it is the weakest of the HOTCG arc.

[@Laxhoop]

But... Didn’t the other gems think Bismuth was shattered or gone forever? They didn’t know about Lion’s pocket world, and Bismuth showing up was a shock to them. So in reality, what Pink did was she saw Bismuth as a voice that would ruin her plan to get a large portion of her own people needlessly slaughtered so she could feel independent, because Bismuth’s idea to shatter her would either kill her, or expose her secret identity, and either scenario would end badly for her. So she just got rid of the problem. She poofed her, and locked her in a place where she wouldn’t have to worry about it. And can we just all remember that the Pink Diamond/ Rose reveal was the single worst thing to happen to this show? Pink got so many people needlessly killed, she locked Bismuth away rather than attempt to explain the situation, Pearl’s entire characterization up to this point has been a lie. The whole time she wasn’t a Pearl going against her programming, she was just following it. Steven hasn’t really changed as a character, either. Honestly, go and watch the first episode and watch the latest one, and list me any actions current Steven does that episode 1 Steven would not have also done. This show is a lot like DBZ, where villains will join the good guy group, and everyone acts like they’ve changed, and the rest of the group changes with them, but they haven’t f*cking changed, they just hang out with the good guys now.

[@sajanpatel4956]

I don't think you watched the video. Pie guy was addressing when the gams had bismuth bubbled for 50 episodes without doing anything. Addition while Pearl's characterization isn't really a lie. She gave pink the idea of becoming rose, of disobeying yellow and blue. She broke as many rules as Rose, and encouraged Pink to break some rules. Steven's character has definitely changed. If you look at him in the beginning of the show he's naive, he doesn't understand his powers, or the weight of anything around him. Throughout the course of the series we see him burdened with hardships, like when he had to bubble bismuth. There is no way you could go "OH steven at the beginning of the series could bubble bismuth no problem". Looking at bismuth we can see the burdens she places on steven's mind. He feels guilt, and he learns how to cope with it. He learns he can't always save everyone, but that he should always try. Also it's a massive stretch to say no other characters have changed because "Steven hasn't changed". Pearl, amethyst, and garnet have all hanged and gone through arcs, and we can see this. Amethyst in the beginning of the series is fun loving and silly, but we get to see her flaws and insecurities, and how she surpasses them. We get to see how pearl is devastated by rose loving Greg, and how she gave everything to her, with Steven now helping her learn to do things for herself, and not to only fight for others.the only character who hasn't changed in a while is peridot because she was resigned to the barn.

[@Laxhoop]

Sajan Patel Yes, I did watch his video, and what I said at the beginning of my comment are a direct response to those comments of his. Pink had Bismuth bubbled in Lion’s pocket dimension for god knows how long, and from their reactions, it was made pretty obvious that the other gems thought she had been dead all that time.

[@djdragondrawer9339]

Spencer Whiteway Well to be fair... Vegeta and Piccolo have changed a bit for the good.

[@amaridesu1141]

A) not everyone agrees that it was the worst thing that happened to the show. Pearls characterization up to steven may have been a lie but she's definitely been dealing with her issues past that point. Rose is incredibly naïve and selfish and you can justify hating her. Boohoo. Idk why that's a negative to the show outside of being a negative to pearl. And now, we know that the diamonds didn't even take her pleas to protect earth seriously, so her heart was in the right place and she wasn't completely selfish. B) your first paragraph sounds nothing like a response to this video. To what point? your response sounds like a justification for the gems reaction in the two parter bismuth special. he's talking about their reactions now that she was bubbled again by steven. We had no reason or look into their perspectives on keeping their best friend bubbled. Yes, from the first episode she appeared everyone thought bismuth was dead. BUT now that they know she's not, and now that they know the truth (in the bismuth two parter) and that she was rebubbled, what was the resolution of that? Hey, our best friend made things a little awkward and we're not going to address it? Just wait on steven's say? No words are spoken in an episode giving us any idea on how they want to handle bismuth. C) Steven has far more control of his powers, steven actually tries to think through his issues, steven is an active member of the crystal gems and takes on the emotional strife of the whole damn team in comparison to him just being the cute "child" of the CG from the first episode that everyone is raising. He's clearly grown lmao. D) "they just hang out with the good guys now. " this Is the only point I really feel for. I wish they actually gave the new allies they get more screen time. I don't want to just see mostly vegeta and goku matter in this show

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

What? Spencer... I think you're confused. I never spoke about the gems not unbubbling Bismuth before the events of "Bismuth". They very clearly had no idea she was there. I'm speaking in this video about why they didn't unbubble her AFTER the events of "Bismuth".

[@gregoireseaman3746]

Can you please stop spoiling steven universe with your titles and thumbnails please ? I watch your videos and I'm a fan of steven universe and I don't wanna see these spoilers . Granted , they aren't the most spoilery stuff in the world but the "Connie vs. Steven fight was angstry trash" Thanks for spoiling that they fight . Also now I know that ruby and sapphire seem to fight with each other , and then some is reuinited and then you show what it is in the thumbnail , like dude can you at least try to not spoil the show ? Not everyone has seen the show . Your titles could easily be the name of a steven universe episode and then you can just discuss it like your normally would . Its very simple .

[@SonarTheBat]

She was too forgiving to Pink.

[@nuibaba280]

Thinking about other things for the moment and getting out of a dark place for a bit =/= Forgiving Rose Bismuth's quick to think that the bubbles were all gems who Rose disagreed with and she screams into lava. The fandom just assumes that Bismuth will snap at the people she's fond of and cares about: Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl when that's far from the truth. Bismuth long accepted Steven wasn't Rose and that he's better than her at the end of her debut episode. She had zero reason to snap at Steven.

[@oneofnone7947]

Fleur Puttock the only one to have a natural reaction was sapphire

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

Holy cow are you defensive of Bismuth and pulling theories out of thin air. She was berzerk enough to attack Steven out of nowhere in her own episode, and there is no episode between Bismuth and Made of Honor. How could you possibly know what she would do?

[@nuibaba280]

+PIEGUYRULZ Did you watch the entire episode or not? She comes to terms that Steven is better than Rose at the end of her first episode. And Bismuth's issues are STILL there because she's the only one death staring the Diamonds in the newest promo. And it's less of theories and more of following the show's writing. All character problems have been brought up or put on a backburner. And are you really trying to say Bismuth isn't great friends with the Crystal Gems? Made of Honor contradicts that statement in every way. She hasn't lashed out at the CGs since the only thing they did was bubble her again ((which Bismuth is understanding of because she attacked Steven thinking he was Rose)) and she never will

[@nuibaba280]

lmao out of nowhere, Steven was acting suspect and similar to Rose. Bismuth assumed he was Rose, she changes her mind at the end of the fight.

[@justinfrank1882]

Oh wow SU has trash pacing? Who would have guessed?..... I swear this show has 2 seasons worth of story stretched out over fucking 5 seasons.

[@gaminggalaxies6633]

Uh...first?

[@ganon_t99]

Gaming Galaxies blue shell

[@kamenweirdo9276]

seccond

[@MikoMango23]

Is it me or that Steven Universe is overrated now?

[@djmeagaaim17]

MikominMM Yes it is, and frankly it always was. Its an average show with a few above average episodes. However, it pales in comparison to shows like Gravity Falls, Avatar The Last Air Bender, or even shows like Adventure Time, and Regular Show.

[@MikoMango23]

Well, It definitely wasn't back with Seasons 1-4 (season 4 began the decline) and even a little of season 5. But then after the PD twist everything went downhill.

[@lucasmartinez5703]

I feel like it's more overhated nowadays.

[@nuibaba280]

What Lucas said. The show isn't perfect but it gets more shit than what it deserves

[@MillyKKitty]

Still way way better than Darling In The Franxx Situation

[@livingdeaddollsjunky9543]

Bath bismuth doesn’t need redemption she was right and just

[@djmeagaaim17]

This show is a mess