The Story of Halloween 5 | The Original Idea

[@BeckyBookClubMain]

2024 is the year of this channel. This is so good.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Thank you for saying that. I’m hoping so. I’m staying busy!

[@kaceymcmullin4432]

Dude you seriously are killing the horror movie channel world with all of this lately kudos ❤

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Thank you so much! I’m having such a blast covering these

[@FloridaJit434]

The idea of Loomis protecting Michael from the mob reminds me of the unused RZH1 ending where Michael gets gunned down after letting Laurie go. I wish that ending was used

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Yeah I remember that ending! I actually think it was a better ending for that movie, too!

[@wickdaline8668]

Some of these ideas sound like what occurs in Halloween Kills. The mob part or whatnot.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

I thought the exact same thing

[@millyoneyedeaz1350]

yup, kills and ends. H4 was setting up a bigger story for the townspeople like 2018 did for Kills, they just followed through this time Except they had a demon exorcism to seperate Jamie from Michael and she along with Rachel become militant freedom fighters

[@FilmBloggerSam]

This and your other Halloween videos are articulate and well researched and you speak on the subject with authority. Loving this sort of work you have produced! Cheers Nick 👍

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Thank you Sam! I have been trying to really give them the attention and detail they deserve, so it means a lot to me that you noticed my friend!

[@ppiorkowski1502]

​@@TheLostRiverDriveInfor a script to be written over a dozen times is really nothing. It's actually fairly low for Hollywood standards. Fatal Attraction was rewritten over 80 times. My Uncle has been in the business since the 70s. He tells me all these little fun facts all the time. He's also adamantly told me to stay clear of the business when I wanted to get into acting. He would tell me how hard it was to be successful as an actor and so on. There was one specific time he was rambling on about it and then he started talking about his neighbor being an actor and how he's always out of work and said how annoying he was..... as he was saying this he was whispering because his neighbor was outside doing some gardening or something like that. So I looked over to see his neighbor and I started laughing because I recognized him right away and it was Crispin Glover. This was right before his comeback and to be far my Uncle's view of success is way up there with like the A lister making 20 million per movie.

[@justinhuston6855]

As I have said before Halloween 5 was the beginning of my ride with this franchise so it will always hold a special place in my heart As for this particular unused idea I don't think it would have worked then but now like you said it has to restart somewhere someway

[@PRHILL9696]

Wow, now that would have been quite a film! I wonder if Myers spoke in this one now that he was human and good. Love the Halloween 5 that we got though!

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

So do I! Halloween 5 gets unnecessary hate

[@PRHILL9696]

Sadly. it really does get a lot of hate it does not deserve@@TheLostRiverDriveIn

[@montwalke1093]

I love this better on paper for the character honestly. Fun to read and think of big of a swing like this. I’m usually on the side of “ the less we know of Michael the better” but this could have something

[@kristinamarrie13]

Not entirely sure with how I feel about this idea, but it is most definitely stepping way outside the box and honestly, I’d give it a watch if this ever decided to get made. But for now, I’m extremely happy with Halloween 5 that we got. Keep it up, Nick! This IS going to be YOUR year on this channel. I’m loving this series.

[@tgriffin3059]

I have really never understood the controversy about Halloween 5. It's the one sequel that is the most what I want in a sequel...very true to the original premise, yet completely its' own unique chapter, as well. All the emphasis that is placed on stalking sets this one apart...especially the barn sequence, which I regard as the finest stalking scene in the history of slasher movies. As well as the aesthetics, with a phenomenal score, beautiful lighting and cinematography....and really great performances by Pleasance and Harris...I regard it as a masterpiece....

[@Zombie_Trooper]

I wonder if McBride and David GG read this treatment and it inspired Ends.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

I was literally thinking of Ends when I was researching this one!

[@thehalloweenheavymetalwarrior]

They probably did.

[@BluntObjectProd]

I’d definitely be down for a movie like that now. Not back then. But now hell yeah! If this world and characters have any hope of continuing while staying fresh, you gotta shake it up big.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

I don’t disagree. I think it could really work nowadays

[@thehalloweenheavymetalwarrior]

No!

[@-Evil-Genius-]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🎬 *Introduction to Halloween 5 Original Idea* - Overview of Halloween 5's reputation as a less-favored installment in the franchise. - Teaser of revealing the original idea behind Halloween 5. - Mention of the perceived weirdness and uniqueness of the original concept. 00:41 📜 *Initial Meeting and Script Proposal* - Mustafa Akad's decision to greenlight Halloween 5 immediately after the success of Halloween 4. - Dominique Othenin-Girard's unique filmmaking style and setup meeting with Mustafa Akad. - Inclusion of Robert Harders in the meeting and the pitch for Halloween 5's original script. 01:51 🔄 *Mustafa Akad's Intervention and Script Rewrite* - Mustafa Akad's interruption of the meeting, asserting the producer's decision-making role. - Dominique's acceptance of the rewriting task after the premature end of the meeting. - Details about the script rewriting process for Halloween 5. 03:02 ⚡ *Original Concept: Frankenstein's Monster Revival* - Description of the original idea involving Michael Myers being revived through lightning. - Change in Michael's character from an embodiment of evil to a tragic figure. - Focus on the role of Dr. Loomis in realizing Michael's humanity. 04:40 🚫 *Mustafa Akad's Rejection and Justification* - Mustafa Akad's rejection of the original concept due to concerns about fan reception. - Acknowledgment of the need to maintain Michael Myers as an antagonist. - The agreement with Mustafa Akad's decision in hindsight. 06:17 ❌ *Unmade Halloween Sequel and Character Implications* - Exploration of the unmade Halloween sequel's unique approach and tragedy. - The absence of Jamie Lloyd in the original pitch and potential issues. - Acknowledgment of Mustafa Akad's correct instincts regarding audience expectations. 08:21 🎭 *Reflection on the Unmade Concept and Final Thoughts* - Encouragement for viewer opinions on the unmade Halloween 5 concept. - Questioning whether the timing was right for such a unique approach in the late '80s. - Reflection on the final product of Halloween 5 and satisfaction despite script challenges. Made with HARPA AI

[@tgriffin3059]

While 5 may not be the most popular entry in the series, it has been my experience that, first, those like myself who DO like it....tend to like it A LOT...and SECOND, many of its' most vocal critics...have either never seen it, or only watched about the first 20 minutes, when it first came out, and haven't seen it since...It is AMAZING how much of the 'criticism' that is directed towards this film is actually inspired by decisions made by Halloween 6...I don't know how many lectures I've heard from people who tell me 5 sucks because of the cult...and the cult is NOWHERE in 5....ONLY two brief glimpses of the Thorn...If the series had ended with 5, the Thorn was never anything more than the symbol of a constellation. And the Man in Black is only in the film for about 2 collective minutes, and plays no substantial part until the ending, where I found his intrusion to be an interesting variation on the standard Halloween movie ending.

[@dirkdaubertshauser9423]

Great Video. I like H5 a lot, and the different Look of the mask

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

It’s one of my favorites!

[@dirkdaubertshauser9423]

@@TheLostRiverDriveIn i agree

[@hannastownbillbowers8472]

They just needed dream sequences of Jamie killing her mom and now we need a Halloween with Jamie as an ADULT .

[@benmuller2163]

I thought it was a shame that they didn't use the cliffhanger from Halloween 4 in the 5th part. It would have been an interesting twist and continuation of the story if the fifth part had continued to tell what happened to Jamie after she stabbed her stepmother with the scissors.

[@JadenCH2K]

Halloween 5 is my 2nd favorite in the franchise and I’ve never really gotten the hate for it. I’m glad we got what we got, but honestly this sounds like it could’ve been really interesting. I feel like in hindsight it could’ve been a good follow up to Halloween 6 if they tweaked the ending a bit, have Michael transfer the evil and become at peace with the world. Or after Halloween Ends

[@tgriffin3059]

Absolutely. When you listen to the people who hate it, you have to wonder exactly what movie they're referring to. What they hate doesn't sound ANYTHING like the movie I watched.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Halloween 5 is GOATED and I’ll take no further questions at this time

[@thehalloweenheavymetalwarrior]

Sounds like Friday the 13th Part 6 stuff with the lightning resurrecting Michael Myers. Hell no to that, and hell to the no on Michael Myers turning good after being struck by the lightning. I am glad we got the 5 we got instead over this original idea one.

[@idekman1225]

Loving these Halloween videos! Keep up the good work!

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

I’ll keep em coming!

[@AshtonRogers-se1zj]

Man...when it comes the the films in this series,it has gotten increasingly difficult for me to read or watch something that contains information I haven't already previously learned. But THIS is a new on me! I've never heard anything about this pitch/treatment before. This was very interesting. And I 100% agree with you about audiences in the late '80s not wanting anything like this in the latest installment in their slasher franchise. It wasn't a BAD idea by any means. There were a lot of interesting elements there. Wrong time and place,though.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Hell yeah! That’s honestly a huge compliment to know that I taught you something new today. Hell yes lol

[@vanderhoff66fu]

I like the H5 we got.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Oh same here! One of my favorites!

[@Hansonator]

Idea was interesting, but I love the Halloween 5 we got.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

So do I! It’s one of my favorites in the series

[@jasoncase9481]

It is strange that Loomis protecting Michael Myers from a mob of justified vengeful characters since Michael is a remorseless murderer.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

But it’s not unprecedented. We’ve seen Loomis be caring towards Michael before

[@ByronWeaver33]

I’m glad this version of H5 didn’t get made

[@cjm753bc8]

This movie should’ve won some awards 😂😮

[@akshaytrayner1960]

Great vid there is deleted scenes on the shout factory

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

There are! And I dig them!

[@richardstange5939]

I still don’t like that Frankenstein idea. Michael Myers needs to be the Michael Myers that we know and pay to see.

[@lyndasilkey5031]

Here's an idea for a video Halloween Family Reunion

[@herbertgeddies1844]

I love Halloween 5

[@tgriffin3059]

Yes, so do I...one of a handful of movies I love so much that they become almost like a mystical extension of my own reality....

[@PRHILL9696]

agree

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Halloween 5 permeates my soul

[@Out-Cast75]

great stuff brother, love it. congrats on the channel success, Geez thank goodness that version never happened eh lol?

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Thanks brother! Yeah, I think the movie we got was better than this idea lol

[@mariothomas102]

I truly loved the other stories ive heard about this movie and they actually had shot those but were demed to violent, excuse me 😂😂😂 to voilent , we watching a Halloween movie or a walk to remember, there was actually to very big sequences, the school / hospital where jamie was and the police station.

[@georgenelawson9917]

When watching Frankenstein I saw some of Michael Myers in him like in his movement and some events like finding ghat dude in the shack I was like Michael did that too plus having the town chasing after him same to but not as old fashion lol its funny how everyone is like Michael Myers Michael Myers we only want to see him killing after ends but after four came out everyone was hyped for five cause they thought Michael was dead and now Jaime will be the killer or he'll be back and they'll be killing together but we didn't get that so everyone is disappointed That's so funny lol I'm open to change this sounds interesting really you can take Halloween in any direction do anything with it the evil in Michael could be released by Michael and goes into the town all or Amy of the townspeople could succumb to it like Michael did or it could be not just in the town could be anywhere in the world that's basically how the original ended Michael is gone maybe dead he's transcended the evil in him is out there and can be anywhere anyone this and Halloween ends they explore that lol after nineteen seventy eight the evil has been unleashed onto the world after they shot him off the balcony and he disappeared That's if it started with Michael evil has been unleashed on the world since the beginning lol that evil has been going from person to person inflicted on others transferred to others very similar to ecorcist franchise you can easily connect the exorcist franchise to Halloween franchise

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Halloween can and should be able to go in any direction, I agree

[@Rick.Hunter.Wyatt6]

Awesome video Nick hope you're well my Awesome friend . I never had a problem with Halloween 5 . I love Halloween 5 and the Man in black . the only wrong with Halloween 5 is the goofy cop clown music . PS I love ❤ Tina ❤ she is Awesome I don't care most if people hate her . she my dream girl ❤ .

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Tina is GREAT! Thanks Rick, I hope you’re doing well too buddy!

[@jasonaugustine3370]

The masks in every single one of these movies until you get to Rob Zombie is something they should’ve all been ashamed of Considering David Gordon Green was able to make the real mask, especially for the flashback. There is no excuse.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

The masks being so bad for so many years is absolutely inexcusable

[@peterrosso3018]

I don't like the idea of them revving Michael with lightning. They already did that with Jason. And turning Michael into a good guy. What a way to undue a horror classic.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Agreed! I’m much happier with the movie we got

[@juanwhitfield7626]

My second-favorite film in the franchise. That is all..

[@tgriffin3059]

I go back and forth between this one and 2....for me, they're the gold standard...

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Halloween 5 is amazing. You’ll never get a disagreement from me

[@Michaelmyers.1]

Nothing but pure evil

[@Boozer13]

Considering it was only a couple years removed from Jason being randomly revived via lightening, doin Michael the same way woulda been duuuuuumb. These filmmakers realize that, like, lightening by itself wouldn’t do shit, right? If anything it would kill these villains even more. Frankenstein was different because he was hooked up to devices and conductors and all other things went into play with bringing The Monster to life. Just zapping Jason or Michael to life via Mother Nature only seems beyond idiotic😂

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Oh I agree lol. Very glad they didn’t go this route in 1989 lol

[@millyoneyedeaz1350]

Cool version, but im glad they didnt go with this. Its not the original Halloween 5 though, Dwight Little came up with the original. Michael was living underground, Jamie & Rachel as well as the townspeople had become militant and alot of it resembles the arc from Kills and ends, and it also shows that Halloween 4 set up the townspeople vs Michael plot when we see the group at the bar defy the sheriff with their shotguns. difference being Ted Hollister was killed instead of Tovoli

[@jasoncase9481]

I think Halloween 5 would have had Jamie as the new shape if it had the same screenwriter as Halloween 4 because it seems unbelievable that McElroy would go with a Halloween 5 movie that makes the change in the Halloween 4 movie entirely pointless.

[@tgriffin3059]

I think the approach they took worked quite well. Of course, I'm prejudiced, since I love the movie. But with this angle, the audience still gets Michael as the killer, who is FAR more intimidating than any child could ever be...but it also intensifies the aura of mystery and tragedy that surrounds Jamie. I think we get the best of both worlds...we keep Michael, but Jamie is even MORE of a fascinating figure. With her raven hair, her beauty, but those sad eyes....she's kind of like a Poe heroine...a bit macabre, but sympathetic, at the same time.

[@seansheridan123]

halloween 5 is a big frustration for me after 4 you have a solid base to build from fair enough the slasher genre was dying at this stage freddy and jason had long gone past there best and 80s slasher craze was done until scream revived the genre , the movie was rushed and it really hurt it halloween is not a good movie but its not a freddys dead either its a very flawed but fun enough sequel with a lot of good things i watch every year . like the rest of the series accept resurrection screw that movie

[@jacebales2951]

I wish they'd done this just for all the entertaining videos we'd get to watch now talking about how horrible it is...and also to invariably hear from the few people who now 30 plus years later would try to convince us that it was actually really good...🤣🤣

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Oh I’ll never say this was the right path to take lol. I prefer what we got. But I hear you lol

[@TroyGrubbJr]

That would be have would the most Wild Halloween 🎃 movie ever if it would have gotten made probably would’ve have been the most controversial Halloween movie ever i do love Ends cause did something different and take more of a risk I would have not liked Myers not being a villain and being that evil wind that supernatural/ part human I just think this idea would not have worked 5 movies 🍿 in to complete change the character of Michael Myers it just would have not worked I give them this it’s something different it’s definitely off the wall and it was interesting reading this in Taking Shape 2 the unmade Halloween movies 🍿

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Yeah it’s definitely one of the more off the wall ideas I’ve covered so far, but I actually kind of dig it! Though, 89 wasn’t the right time for it, so they made the right decision

[@TroyGrubbJr]

@@TheLostRiverDriveIn in late 80’s when people wanted to see Freddy Jason and Michael be evil it definitely wild this was pitch in the 80’s I do think they made the right decision not to do this the idea is definitely interesting it will be interesting once the Halloween franchise comes back what they decided to do I just hope they don’t play it to safe I do like when takes more of a risk with the franchise

[@richardstange5939]

I don’t like the Frankenstein idea. I’m glad that we got the Halloween 5 that we got. I like that movie. Though, maybe one little slither of that idea survived with that scene with the tear in his eye.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Yeah they definitely snuck in a bit of humanity anyway, which, I never hated

[@ajlegend7456]

It could make for interesting elsewords story. A one and done

[@seanlamar29]

Idc what no one says i love this movie

[@tgriffin3059]

That's a more common opinion than you might think. I feel the same way.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

So do I! One of my favorites in the series

[@molsonman1420]

I could spend all day picking Halloween 5 apart. It’s in my bottom 3 of the Halloween films. I know studios are in the business of making money but in doing so they gave us a flat, uninspired, messy entry. I don’t believe I would have liked the other approach either. 5 was rushed and you can clearly see that with the “finished” product. Plus Tina is my least favorite character in the entire franchise. Enjoyed the video!!

[@tgriffin3059]

I think a very good case can be made that it's the strongest of the sequels, or perhaps in a tie for strongest with Halloween 2...Of course, you have every right to like or dislike whatever you want-I don't argue with people about their tastes or preferences-but this movie is VINTAGE Haddonfield. Halloween 5 is ALL about stalking....just as the original was back in '78..And this trait showcases the ultimate in patience on the part of the filmmakers...that's precisely why most don't bother with it...Halloween 5 represents the absolute pinnacle of this style of filmmaking.

[@PRHILL9696]

Love parts 1-6. As they are the original ones and have the Shape. the films after 6 are trash and no longer have the Shape

[@tgriffin3059]

@@PRHILL9696 Yeah...almost as if they were trying to fix something that wasn't broken..

[@PRHILL9696]

exactly!@@tgriffin3059

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

I completely respect that opinion and you sharing that without being rude! That’s always welcome here

[@bretthumphrey6821]

Halloween is good but halloween 6 better

[@bretthumphrey6821]

I didn't mind but it could've been better like halloween 4 that movie was amazing halloween 4 is very stright forever halloween 5 is too different its not bad at it counties from halloween 4 like was that guy in the dark clothes where did he come from and why does he help micheal why does micheal cry what happened to his house and where did that symbol come from on his rist it's a confusing movie why couldn't Jaime be the killer that was the idea at the end of halloween 4 i have many questions but I have watched it always when I wacth all the halloween franchise

[@smackinjack.]

My Profile Pic Saids it all and in my personal opinion there hasn't been a good Halloween film since part 5, I saw this in the theater back in 1989 And i know it has it's problems and all that crap...But come on people it's entertaining and not as boring as most the other's after.

[@BryanMc977]

Halloween 5s problems were a rushed script, having to have a film ONE YEAR after the 4th and the damn mask.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Oh I agree. They needed to give it a bit more time. But it was the Wild West in the 80’s. All these studios kept forcing movies out to compete with the others

[@jasonaugustine3370]

I think this Director should’ve stuck with Shakespeare or something because he’s got a very high opinion of himself and his stupid ideas

[@tgriffin3059]

Othenin-Girard has the reputation for arrogance, but I don't think humility is generally the hallmark of film directors. But his conception struck me as very respectful to the original premise. He placed the emphasis on stalking, and patience, and atmosphere....but he upped the body count and the graphic violence, which is pretty much the approach taken by Carpenter/Rosenthal in Halloween 2.

[@galesbangs]

My only complaints with H5 are the mask and killing off Rachel. Those are unforgivable decisions lol

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

But Tinaaaaaaaa

[@galesbangs]

@@TheLostRiverDriveIn Oh, I looove me some Tina! Without her I don't know if I would have liked H5 at all 🤣

[@rainbow20112011]

The original Halloween 5 storyline that we all got is better. The other one seemed completely random and doesn't fit with the character of Michael Myers in the previous films.

[@mikestacks4155]

A movie where Michael Myers is a good humanitarian?! Hell no , I didn't want to see that when Halloween 5 came out , and I don't want too see it now .come to think of it , that's such a bad idea for a Halloween plot , the last movie was better then this idea , & I hated the last movie , Halloween Ends !

[@thehalloweenheavymetalwarrior]

Myers being weak & taking orders from Corey Cunningham is worse than him dropping a tear only to trick Jamie Lloyd. Afterall Michael Myers is cunning when he also seemingly showed emotions at the end of H20 before being decapitated.

[@NicolasGuzman-yg6wj]

the Frankenstein was bullshit it will be awful👎i agree with you man because Halloween 5 the revenge of Michael myers was just fine 👍

[@redwillow79schippers94]

I like Halloween 5. I don't really care about the stupid man in black crap. I just ignore it. All I care about is that this movie is entertaining and brought back Jamie. The only thing the takes me out of the movie is the music that plays when the dumb cops show up. I don't know what the director was thinking

[@dustinhogle3844]

The French director on top of the rushed production RUINED this film.

[@kristoffergroves90]

that sounds terrible

[@Donathon-qx8kq]

This movie stinks... like yesterday's diapers.....im sorry (no im not)...this franchise is dead to me..... maybe with the exception of the proposed renewal of the Halloween 3..... while that is is promising..., they'll mess it up..... just my opinion

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Halloween 5 fucking rules.

[@chrisdutra-k7w]

yea this was a horrible script ive read it

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Wasn’t the best lol

[@bleeneo101]

This was a horrible idea.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

I’m not in disagreement lol

[@travzimmerman1340]

Halloween 5 is a cinematic abortion.

[@TheLostRiverDriveIn]

Good thing I’m pro-choice then!