The Story of Manetheren: A Wheel of Time Historical Breakdown

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

One of my favorite parts of the entire WoT series is when Moraine tells the story of the final battle and fall of Manetheren to the Emond's Field people after the attack of Winternight. The people were all arguing about why the Trollocs came. Some blamed the Aes Sedai, and some threatened to burn down the inn. Then Moraine quieted the entire mob by spinning her staff over her head with the one power glowing at each end. She told them of their ancestors and the great battle. She said the blood of Aemon runs deep in the Two Rivers people. It was such a chilling moment; I've reread those few pages so many times.

[@juliusmatiga4129]

Me too. Keep on rereading it

[@Merecir]

If they ever do a WoT spinoff story that has not been written it should be the life story of Tam al'Thor. As it was a planned prequel book that never happened.

[@happytotroll]

Would be awesome if Sanderson was able to do this. I'd read the crap out of that

[@Stormcrownn]

@@happytotroll Feels like it'd be rogue one.

[@customsongmaker]

If Sanderson writes it now, Tam will use gender-neutral pronouns

[@TheRedStateBlue]

the shear amount of other stories that need to be told in the WoTiverse is astounding. tigraine's story from marrying taringail to dying on dragonmount would be a great story. the early days of hawkwing's army arriving in seanchan would be a great story.

[@scavone72]

I love the detail Robert Jordan put into his nations. Manetheren could absolutely be made into a spin off

[@shienara]

It’s crazy how the loss of a fictional kingdom can make me emotional, but I truly tear up every time I read about Manetheren. Great video! 🧡

[@NasonJPR]

Tear up what? LOL Sorry I like homonyms.

[@shienara]

@@NasonJPR 😂

[@ryanandrews278]

Same with Cadia. If you don't know Cadia.... WH40K

[@OathofLight]

You aren't the only one.

[@jennifermerlynn]

What makes you think this story is actually fictional? 🤔

[@jdiggitty]

"They held it when the long centuries had washed the why of it from their memories. They held it until, today, there is you. Weep for Manetheren. Weep for what is lost forever." Yeah. That's a story to be told.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

Everytime I reread or listen to the audiobook of that portion of the Wheel of Time it brings a tera to my eyes.

[@christopheryoder8292]

I always loved the parallels between the fall of Manetheran and the Battle of Edmonds Field.

[@ibiali5211]

A manetheren spin off show/movie/special would be the best thing ever!!!

[@brandonnott3695]

Most of the kingdoms in the series have amazing back stories and would make awesome spin offs

[@ibiali5211]

@@brandonnott3695 ooh maybe a WOT historical anthology series

[@cdubbau135]

I think it would be great, but the best spinoff, imo, would be the War of Power from beginning to the formation of Dragonmount.

[@TheWheelTurns]

Perfect for a movie or mini-series

[@YipYipss]

I agree. I always thought that the Trollock wars would make a good show

[@edwardcorby462]

Queen Eldrene final blow, was the only recorded use of the Flame of Tar Valon by Aes Sedai, prior to Egwene Al' Vere at Tarmon Gai' Don...

[@cdubbau135]

"Trollocs invaded Manetheren because they heard there was good weed." 😂😂😂 Good a reason as any to invade a country.

[@wyvern723]

I would absolutely love a Trolloc Wars spinoff. I really hope they do a good job with the "Weep for Manetherin" speach in the show.

[@_Saracen_]

They did a great job with that in the end, in my opinion anyway.

[@morrigan908]

@@_Saracen_ Eh, I thought it was pretty flat compared to Kate Redding's version and left out too much detail. Granted that cuts have to be made in a tv show, but there are a lot of other things to cut besides this story.

[@amirsyoutube9518]

It’s like I read a version of the series that was missing hundreds of pages. These summaries are phenomenal! Thanks.

[@Benjamin1c]

It would be an awesome prequel, like a mini series.

[@wolfbrother7541]

Really love these dives into the history!! Thank for putting this together! I would love a spin off of this, but I would love any spin off. I also love how there IS so much history in this world.

[@joeshangout420]

you might be the one person who knows more about WOT than i do..... LOVE you for it! Keep making videos!

[@EtchAGetch]

2:40 So Manetheren existed near a river system with powerful rabbits. A shame they didn't use those rabbits against the Trollocs; history could have been different

[@hiltrud2001]

Rapids?

[@jacobnugent8159]

It is different to maneuver an enemy army

[@tomdickharryjr5451]

Maybe an army of Monty Python rabbits

[@ChristmasLore]

(Rabbits are powerful! Watch One Piece!🎋) And yes, it's rapids.

[@abcdef27669]

Are they stronger than Rosgobel Rabbits? (those serving Radagast, the Brown, from Lord of the Rings Lore)

[@christopherbataluk643]

I always got the sense with the barrier of mountains, the fallen kingdom, the “old tongue”, the dark hair and eyes and bowman ship that Mantheren and the Two Rivers was basically “fantasy Wales” to Andor’s fantasy England.

[@rmarieshen862]

Anyone else ever think that Egwene was a reincarnation of Eldrene?

[@edwardcorby462]

Definitely think that Eldrene actually died the same way Egwene did, using the Flame of Tar' Valon...

[@michaelodonnell824]

There's also a possibility that Egwene is a reincarnation of Latra Posae Decume, the author of the Fateful Concord and, arguably, the woman most responsible for the taint on Saidin and the Breaking. Certainly, the way Egwene strenuously opposes Rand's plan to break the remaining seals at a certain time, seems like she is channelling her Second Age parallel.

[@thesmuli83]

Awesome video💯Tai'shar Manetheren⚔🏹🛡🐴⚡🔥 Manetheren would be a fantasy land which would be great to visit. This is one of WOT's favorite storie.

[@Al_Ellisande]

Eamhain Mhacha...Éamonn's Field. I was there once. It's called Navan Fort now for some reason, being nowhere near Navan. You can see it being dug up by Time Team (archaeologists) on youtube. Just if you're interested in where RJ's ideas came from. "time team navan fort excavation"

[@williamwhitcher7496]

I love lighting up that good Two Rivers weed and listening to Nae'blis videos. Tai'shar Manetheren!

[@erinfitzgerald7789]

I am a relatively new subscriber and just love your channel. I have especially enjoyed your signs in each episode. Today's sign completely cracked me up.

[@gusvizcaino4022]

Love this video. I’ve been binging all of your content since I finished the series about a week ago. Thank you for everything!

[@1979benmitchell]

I wish we had more on the Age of Legends and release of the Dark One.

[@jamesbrownii9508]

That OG Trolloc Kill Kush. Got it $20/g all night. My dude Al’Thor bought some and woke up with magic. No lie.

[@Eikinscialdi]

I think a war of the shadow would be awesome each season could focus on a different nation with the 11th being the final battle that ended the shadow war.

[@johnbanks4761]

i loved this series i might try and find them all again and reread them, and...i did not even know there was a tv show

[@helengasser9235]

I did really enjoy this story. Really reminded me of the feels I get reading the background info and footnotes for Lord of the Rings, and made me appreciate the world building. Thanks.

[@grnberet9401]

Just noticed... Almost to 25k! Awesome! Another great video. Keep up the good work!

[@csernobillahun]

They unlocked the civil militia special unit, and used it to great effect later too.

[@Dovieandi_Se_Tovya_Sagain]

And this should be a series in and itself. Btw, I always thought Perrin should have raised the nation again.

[@chadhobson5592]

Awesome video dude!! Yes a spinoff would be amazing

[@infinite_rooster]

Carai an caldazar! Carai an Ellisande! Al Ellisande!

[@hiltrud2001]

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[@ivanmp3e48]

The fact that Manetheren wasn't brought back by the end of the series still amazes me. I'm not the only one right? Andor treated the lands west of White Bridge as if they were in the end of the world and had barely any presence there, Altara fell under under Seanchan control but in KoD we are told that they barely have influence in the Northern parts of the country and Perrin basically already annexed Ghealdan. Does any one know if this was a decision made by Sanderson? Because i have the feeling that Perrin's story became kinda pointless after book 7 if it didn't end with him as king of Manetheren. His arc concludes with him accepting leadership and becoming lord of the TR but he had already been made lord in book 4 so it was all pointless. My personal theory is that Jordan intended to resurrect Manetheren but either changed his mind after publishing KoD and told Sanderson or he decided on his own that it should not be brought back. This could have happened if Elaine had grown more power hungry that Jordan had originaly intended and her accepting a part of her kingdom's independence was no longer believable, or maybe it was because Jordan was trying to make what would become Sanderson's books into a single book and thought that a Manetherenexit plot would take too long for a single book.

[@ivanmp3e48]

By the way i hope they change this in the TV show

[@LeifErshag]

It would have been to early on in the wheel.. That is like three ages away.

[@infernonigh0]

I strongly disagree. I like the fact it was left as this ancient lost city of Atlantis/Eden. A depiction of almost perfection, and enlightened society, now only spoken about around camp fires and folk tales

[@sayres99]

To be fair the Two Rivers is like its own country now. Like Puerto Rico they are technically a part of Andor but run themselves completely they don't pay taxes, they make their own laws, and they only have to send aid in a time of need. Perrin's official title is High Lord and that puts him above every noble house in both Candor and Carihien. The only person who can give him orders is Elayne. His wife Fiel at the end of MoL is next in line for the throne In Saldea so her and Perrin's children will rule there and Elaine wants to marry her Children off to Perrin's which would Unite the Two Rivers, Andorra, and Carihien into a single nation with close familal ties with Saldea. So I think one day the blood of Eamon and Eldreen will rule again and Manetheren could rise once more as the greatest and largest nation in the world.

[@bsmnt23]

Ok, THAT was cool; I've never seen a map of the world pre-breaking before. Wouldn't mind seeing an overlay of the entire world done so, but thanks for this. As far as spin-offs, I'd really rather the Trolloc Wars were told through a video game, maybe similar to that of the Total War series where you'd control one of the Ten nations against constant hoards of shadowspawn armies. Seems like it would be relatively easy to make and I'd play the hell out of a game like that. What do you think about the prospect of multi-media tie-ins to the WoT, like video or tabletop games?

[@NaeBlis]

Love it!

[@TheWheelTurns]

Great video! I love the indepth book-related videos. I had forgoten that the white tower also betrayed Manetheren

[@donvineyard8654]

Would make a great spin-off...would be incredible. Great vid Nae'blis.

[@michaelodonnell824]

I think the story of the Fall of Manetheren show just how the Aes Sedai and Tar Valon PROVED that they cannot be trusted. They play their own games for their own reasons and the do not care about anyone else. And we saw this with the Empire of Artur Hawkwing, as well

[@Aconn896]

That was fantastic...well done my man

[@flamingosedai1820]

Your whiteboard reminds me: I had a fan-fic theory back when I first read LoTR that the War Of The Ring was actually an excuse for Sauron to get to the Hobbits' "leaf". Gondor, Rohan, and the Elves blocked the trade of the plant. So, Sauron recruited Saruman, only to have him betray Sauron and try to take the crop for himself. A full-blown war ensued, Sauron was defeated, everyone got high again, and the rest is history.

[@daraussedai2163]

Well done! I always enjoy these deep dives!!

[@andrewberenson5717]

Only Thom could tell this story better. I think you should have told it in High Chant. I never heard of much of this info before. Thank you. Where was the source of this info? The contents of this video would make an excellent spin off

[@NaeBlis]

It’s piecemeal throughout the story, some in the companion, also the big white book

[@andrewberenson5717]

@@NaeBlis thanks.

[@LuisSanchez-uu3od]

great informative video! Thank You

[@datastormy]

Loved this video, thanks for the content!

[@donaldprosper6715]

There could be a few spinoff seasons from this series. Manetheren should be the first one

[@fredcole6844]

5:05...weren't the Ways corrupted by the taint at this point? This is a few hundred years post breaking right?

[@williamedmondson2360]

Great video!! I have read the books (well on book 11 Gathering Storm), where is this historical information from? I do not remember it in the books?????? Thanks, keep up the good work!!! Bill

[@christianefiorito3204]

Great video

[@armandog3335]

New video! Thank you

[@Solsaere]

head canon: The Skyrim songs (seriously) are a direct history of the third age. The wheel turns etc. Alduin is an iteration of the dark one, Dovakiin is Rand, the Tongues are the first practitioners of the WOT Tinker song. The Beauty of Dawn, Vokul Fen Mah, and the Tale of Tongues legit sound like they're singing about the Third Age.

[@Solsaere]

Also just listen to Malukah. She is ethereal.

[@michaelweber6899]

Great video, although I think the Red Eagle Banner should have been mentioned. Tai'shar Manetheren!

[@filiplorentzen595]

Manetheren should have be the Kingdom that survive thr trollock wars

[@jktz122]

there is more to "tam" al thor than the wheel of time series mentions

[@jktz122]

i mean according to the book he gave his son rand that fancy sword of his right? and exactly where did he get it the books dont go too deeply into that

[@SeebsL]

I really wanted the history of Manetheren to have a possible explanation to the cultural aversion its men have to hurting women. If it were just Rand, maybe the echo of past lives and killing Ilyena could explain it, but it is Perrin and Mat, too.

[@robbiemcveagh5790]

Tai'shar Manetheren

[@UnravelingthePattern]

Great video Naebs! I'd love to work with you sometime ;)

[@jamesblackwell7752]

Wonder which is better, Two Rivers or the Halfling Leaf?

[@artanastacio1569]

I hope they mention it in the main series.

[@artanastacio1569]

Great job as usual, Naebz. Welcome back!😎

[@andrewberenson5717]

Are you doing your movie reviews anymore? I liked that KZbin channel

[@NaeBlis]

I’ll get back to it at some point. I have too many things I need to get done on this channel and website for now. It’s a passion, so I’ll certainly go back to it

[@phnome123]

I would like to see that in season 3/4.

[@JamesKGood]

Nothing about Mat's memories

[@NasonJPR]

Where did you get the picture of the continent before the War of Power? I always assumed the 10 kingdoms were in Europe/Eurasia and that Seanchan was in North America but was just going on gut feelings.

[@NaeBlis]

I made it. A bit of an artists conception if you will haha

[@sathvikudupa1668]

In before these videos go viral :)

[@jaime8317]

Mana~therin.....MANAtherin (Manetherin)

[@jaime8317]

Ps.....Aridhol.....the h is silent

[@christopheryoder8292]

Lol that sign

[@spage0]

I like your video editing style! Also, idk why but I feel compelled to say that you have a very trustworthy face. Like, if you knocked on my door, I would know I was going to buy your solar panels before you even told me what you were selling 😂

[@NaeBlis]

Hahaha, now that you mention it, do you want to buy solar panels?

[@spage0]

@@NaeBlis only if ur selling. I found myself on this website, Nord VPN, buying stuff right when your video ended 😵

[@customsongmaker]

Maybe they would have won if the queen hadn't just sat at home doing nothing while everyone else fought and died.

[@Solsaere]

Can't wait to watch you fanboy over the show. I hope.

[@happosaai]

*SNERK* Manetheran had good weed... lol

[@Kantilvih]

Nea'blis eh? The dark ones most trusted "chosen)? Out here educating the people? What foul scheme is this Moradin? I shall have to inspect the lesson and see what is said here! 😄

[@PintOfBass4l]

Tai'shar Manetheren