The Strait of Hormuz and ‘the Spice’ | Frankly #61

[@iczgighost]

Dear Nate, may you be safe. May you be healthy. May you be happy. May you be filled with peace. Ditto for all creatures everywhere.

[@turul9392]

Nate, your levelheaded commentary is much appreciated.

[@stumckhall]

I really appreciate your podcast its my single favourite thing to listen to weekly, such a great service that you are doing, again greatly appreciated thank you, shukran habibi, todaraba, gracias senor por todo.

[@Ritastresswood]

You are a good man, Nate.

[@grimaldos1000]

Great pod cast, shouldbe seen by more US people ... cheers from France

[@DpriaN303]

Thank you for posting this Nate. We live a very energy illiterate world where the culture clings to rigid belief systems without reflecting on the big picture which directly affects them.

[@johnbanach3875]

There are so very few voices like Nate's. We are so fortunate/blessed (however you see it) to have him, his perspective, and his commentary, and the education he has given us and continues to give us.

[@tedb5937]

just wondering how many people have heard of general Smedly Darlington Butler he wrote a great very short book back in th 1930's WAR IS A RACKET should be on everyones reading list! love from rural wisco

[@chuckheppner4384]

“Why don’t those damn oil companies fly their own flags on their personal property-maybe a flag with a gas⛽pump on it. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." Smedley Butler

[@STROONZONY]

Read it. Too late for it to matter

[@chuckheppner4384]

@@STROONZONY “If we believe in nothing, if nothing has any meaning and if we can affirm no values whatsoever, then everything is possible and nothing has any importance.” Albert Camus "Knowledge, or verbal facility, is no proof that you know what you're talking about. Our assumptions are the edges of our worlds. What we call reality is in fact nothing more than a culturally sanctioned and linguistically reinforced hallucination. We are caught inside a mystery, veiled in an enigma, locked inside a riddle The world which we perceive is a tiny fraction of the world which we can perceive, which is a tiny fraction of the perceivable world. Our ability to destroy ourselves is the mirror image of our ability to save ourselves." Terence McKenna "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character. We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Imagination is the language of the soul. Pay attention to your imagination and you will discover all you need to be fulfilled." Albert Einstein “Dark matter is currently thought to make up about 23% of the mass and energy of the universe, whereas normal matter and energy make up only about 4%. Worse still, most contemporary cosmologists think that the continuing expansion of the universe is driven by “dark energy,” whose nature is again obscure. According to the Standard Model of cosmology, dark energy currently accounts for about 73% of the matter and energy of the universe. How do dark matter and energy relate to regular matter and energy? And what is the zero-point energy field, also known as the quantum vacuum? Can any of this zero-point energy be tapped? The law of conservation of matter and energy was formulated before these questions arose, and has no ready answer for them. It is based on philosophical and theological theories. Historically, it is rooted in the atomistic school of philosophy in ancient Greece. From the outset it was an assumption. In its modern form, it combines a series of “laws” that have developed since the 17th century - the laws of conservation of matter, mass, motion, force and energy. In this chapter I look at the history of these ideas, and show how modern physics throws up questions that the old theories cannot answer. As faith in conservation comes into question, astonishing new possibilities open up in realms ranging from the generation of energy to human nutrition.” The beginning of wisdom, I believe, is our ability to accept an inherent messiness in our explanation of what's going on. Nowhere is it written that human minds should be able to give a full accounting of creation in all dimensions and on all levels. Ludwig Wittgenstein had the idea that philosophy should be what he called "true enough." I think that's a great idea. True enough is as true as can be gotten. The imagination is chaos. New forms are fetched out of it. The creative act is to let down the net of human imagination into the ocean of chaos on which we are suspended and then to attempt to bring out of it ideas.” Rupert Sheldrake "The world is evolving from imperfection to perfection. It needs all love and sympathy; great tenderness and watchfulness are required from each one of us." Hazrat Inayat Khan

[@chuckheppner4384]

@@STROONZONY “If we believe in nothing, if nothing has any meaning and if we can affirm no values whatsoever, then everything is possible and nothing has any importance.” Albert Camus "Knowledge, or verbal facility, is no proof that you know what you're talking about. Our assumptions are the edges of our worlds. What we call reality is in fact nothing more than a culturally sanctioned and linguistically reinforced hallucination. We are caught inside a mystery, veiled in an enigma, locked inside a riddle The world which we perceive is a tiny fraction of the world which we can perceive, which is a tiny fraction of the perceivable world. Our ability to destroy ourselves is the mirror image of our ability to save ourselves." Terence McKenna "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character. We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Imagination is the language of the soul. Pay attention to your imagination and you will discover all you need to be fulfilled." Albert Einstein “Dark matter is currently thought to make up about 23% of the mass and energy of the universe, whereas normal matter and energy make up only about 4%. Worse still, most contemporary cosmologists think that the continuing expansion of the universe is driven by “dark energy,” whose nature is again obscure. According to the Standard Model of cosmology, dark energy currently accounts for about 73% of the matter and energy of the universe. How do dark matter and energy relate to regular matter and energy? And what is the zero-point energy field, also known as the quantum vacuum? Can any of this zero-point energy be tapped? The law of conservation of matter and energy was formulated before these questions arose, and has no ready answer for them. It is based on philosophical and theological theories. Historically, it is rooted in the atomistic school of philosophy in ancient Greece. From the outset it was an assumption. In its modern form, it combines a series of “laws” that have developed since the 17th century - the laws of conservation of matter, mass, motion, force and energy. In this chapter I look at the history of these ideas, and show how modern physics throws up questions that the old theories cannot answer. As faith in conservation comes into question, astonishing new possibilities open up in realms ranging from the generation of energy to human nutrition.” The beginning of wisdom, I believe, is our ability to accept an inherent messiness in our explanation of what's going on. Nowhere is it written that human minds should be able to give a full accounting of creation in all dimensions and on all levels. Ludwig Wittgenstein had the idea that philosophy should be what he called "true enough." I think that's a great idea. True enough is as true as can be gotten. The imagination is chaos. New forms are fetched out of it. The creative act is to let down the net of human imagination into the ocean of chaos on which we are suspended and then to attempt to bring out of it ideas.” Rupert Sheldrake "The world is evolving from imperfection to perfection. It needs all love and sympathy; great tenderness and watchfulness are required from each one of us." Hazrat Inayat Khan

[@chuckheppner4384]

@@STROONZONY YouTUB is f*cked up! Keeps deleting my retort. “If we believe in nothing, if nothing has any meaning and if we can affirm no values whatsoever, then everything is possible and nothing has any importance.” Albert Camus "Knowledge, or verbal facility, is no proof that you know what you're talking about. Our assumptions are the edges of our worlds. What we call reality is in fact nothing more than a culturally sanctioned and linguistically reinforced hallucination. We are caught inside a mystery, veiled in an enigma, locked inside a riddle The world which we perceive is a tiny fraction of the world which we can perceive, which is a tiny fraction of the perceivable world. Our ability to destroy ourselves is the mirror image of our ability to save ourselves." Terence McKenna "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character. We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Imagination is the language of the soul. Pay attention to your imagination and you will discover all you need to be fulfilled." Albert Einstein “Dark matter is currently thought to make up about 23% of the mass and energy of the universe, whereas normal matter and energy make up only about 4%. Worse still, most contemporary cosmologists think that the continuing expansion of the universe is driven by “dark energy,” whose nature is again obscure. According to the Standard Model of cosmology, dark energy currently accounts for about 73% of the matter and energy of the universe. How do dark matter and energy relate to regular matter and energy? And what is the zero-point energy field, also known as the quantum vacuum? Can any of this zero-point energy be tapped? The law of conservation of matter and energy was formulated before these questions arose, and has no ready answer for them. It is based on philosophical and theological theories. Historically, it is rooted in the atomistic school of philosophy in ancient Greece. From the outset it was an assumption. In its modern form, it combines a series of “laws” that have developed since the 17th century - the laws of conservation of matter, mass, motion, force and energy. In this chapter I look at the history of these ideas, and show how modern physics throws up questions that the old theories cannot answer. As faith in conservation comes into question, astonishing new possibilities open up in realms ranging from the generation of energy to human nutrition.” The beginning of wisdom, I believe, is our ability to accept an inherent messiness in our explanation of what's going on. Nowhere is it written that human minds should be able to give a full accounting of creation in all dimensions and on all levels. Ludwig Wittgenstein had the idea that philosophy should be what he called "true enough." I think that's a great idea. True enough is as true as can be gotten. The imagination is chaos. New forms are fetched out of it. The creative act is to let down the net of human imagination into the ocean of chaos on which we are suspended and then to attempt to bring out of it ideas.” Rupert Sheldrake "The world is evolving from imperfection to perfection. It needs all love and sympathy; great tenderness and watchfulness are required from each one of us." Hazrat Inayat Khan

[@opossumboyo]

Nate Hagens really does feel like the Voice of the Unseen that we need right now, and fast. I work in environmental lobbying and these topics are rarely spoken about in a broad sense. We reguarally have meetings where people will drive across the state to hand out plastic-wrapped buttons or something, and when I talk about how unsustainable these practices are it’s viewed as an insult. I feel terrible because it is very difficult to find serious environmental groups in my rural area (Should have tried harder in College, I guess) so I am essentially censoring myself in order to be able to stay within a community. Thank you for remaining true to your convictions, Mr. Hagens. You are my inspiration and hero.

[@stellarwind72]

4:22 We are basically hiding peak oil through "creative accounting".

[@Jamie_says_weirding_is_real]

Nate, a big hug for you. Enjoyed hearing your loving story re your dad's flight. Thank you for much. ❤

[@joeymurdazalotmore6355]

Nate ur one of few humans that gives me hope in all fronts let alone a singular one , best if health n. happiness to your old man,

[@michaelstevens6762]

Nate, Thanks for a clear-eyed, I believe, description of some of the forces (energy-driven) at work in the current conflict, and the urgent need for focusing on deconfliction. Having been a medic in Vietnam myself, if you choose, my best regards to your dad. Likewise, if you choose, feel free to pass along that as a fellow former medic in Vietnam, I consider what I have learned from his son's (your) work, to be exceptionally enlightening and helpful to people around the world trying to find, and create a livable and civilized path through a remarkably difficult and dangerous time in history. Thank you both.

[@yvonraoul2198]

A sane mind in a crazy world. Thanks for your podcast. All of them actually.

[@lisawilliamson5012]

Peace to you, Nate. Peace to the Middle East. Peace to all Mankind. If we are ever to achieve the great simplification, we must avoid all this fighting, which right now is distracting us from humanity's real problem: saving the Planet. 🕉 Namaste

[@guapochino140]

unfortunately, we are fighting because it's easier than saving the planet. The 2 are linked.

[@chuckheppner4384]

"Yesterday is not ours to recover, but tomorrow is ours to win or lose." LBJ "You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today." Abraham Lincoln "I don't know a more irreligious attitude, one more utterly bankrupt of any human content, than one which permits children to be destroyed." Daniel Berrigan "What is really amazing, and frustrating, is mankind's habit of refusing to see the obvious and inevitable until it is there, and then muttering about unforeseen catastrophes. Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly. There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov "The world would be better off if people tried to become better. And people would become better if they stopped trying to become better off. For when everybody tries to become better off, nobody is better off. But when everybody tries to become better, everybody is better off.? Peter Maurin

[@equinnox70]

Thank you for these quotes.

[@chuckheppner4384]

You're certainly welcome@@equinnox70and thank you for expressing your gratitude. 🙏🏻 "Freedom and order are not incompatible... truth is strength... free discussion is the very life of truth." Thomas Huxley "Human communication, 'as the saying goes, is a clash of symbols' it covers a multitude of signs. But it is more than media and messages, information and persuasion; it also meets a deeper need and serves a higher purpose. Whether clear or garbled, tumultuous or silent, deliberate or fatally inadvertent, communication is the ground of meeting and the foundation of community. It is, in short, the essential human connection." Ashley Montagu "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change, that lives within the means available and works co-operatively against common threats. The impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for 
the existence of God." Charles Darwin

[@hhwippedcream]

It is hard not to feel this convergence of events. Thank you thrice for articulating the cascading ramifications. Much appreciated.

[@josem.deteresa2282]

A very relevant & helpful commentary in today's situation. Thank you Mr Hagens

[@alanhoeffler9629]

Appreciated your input in the Oil Drum days and appreciate it even more now. It seems surprising to me that while “renewable” energies have really dropped in price to where they are price competitive to fossil fuels, the political and media establishments have not really pushed conservation in the same way. It was big during the early oil crises. It still remains true that a barrel of oil saved is better than a barrel of oil burned, and is better for the environment as well. Rather than being prudent and conserving, our world civilization seems more like a meteorite, making a big effect quickly, burning brightly, only to be followed by winking out.

[@anthonyf2982]

Very interesting! Thanks

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

hi from iran wish the world peace side note hormizd is named after king hormizd after "ahura mazda" in old persian meaning "wise lord" or god in the worlds first monthestistic religion king Hormizd is first mentioned during the wars of Shapur I against the Roman Empire.[1] He was made the king of Armenia after its conquest by Shapur I in 252.[1] Hormizd is believed to be many modern historians to have taken part in Shapur I's second Roman expedition, which took place in the Roman provinces of Syria, Cilicia, and Cappadocia, and which lasted from 253 to 256.[1] This is supported by the reports of the Cappadocian conquests.[1] Cappadocia does not appear to have been the only area that Hormizd fought in: according to the Scriptores Historiae Augustae, the Roman rebel Cyriades assisted Shapur I and a certain Odomastes in the conquest of Antioch.[1] The name Odomastes is an incorrect transliteration of Hormizd, and may thus suggest that after plundering Cappadocia, Hormizd took part in the siege of Antioch in 253.[1]

[@user-ze8zo5uv2s]

What I am 100% certain about is that if there is something stupid and self-destructing to be done, humans will do it.

[@evilryutaropro]

There was a part in the book Disorder by Helen Thompson (previous guest, I bought and read the book because of that episode) where Iirc it was sometime in the 1970’s and the US was really worried that the USSR Iraq and Iran were going to be on the same side politically which would’ve allowed the USSR to rewrite the rules of the world order. It didn’t workout like that but now it increasingly seems like the US has wasted its soft power and stature on the world stage. If Russia Iraq and Iran are on the same side that’s pretty bad news for the US. That book is a good read btw. It really is crazy how much politics goes on in the background for these natural gas pipelines and how the mainstream news covers none of it. I think American foreign policy has botched this whole thing by sanctioning or outright destroying all these pipelines. Maybe this prediction will be incorrect but I think Iranian and Russian natural gas are going to eventually end up routing into China & India and Europe is going to regress a lot. With regards to this war tho I think if the US tries to go to war with Iran the US *could* “win” but I think the war itself is the civilizational suicide button. Even if Iran is destroyed the US is gonna be so screwed up from the war that it’s gonna be over for American power. Our leaders are absolutely stupid enough to destroy everything and themselves tho we have hardly anything keeping idiots out of power in America

[@dbadagna]

What would have happened in an alternate reality in which the U.S. didn't overthrow Mosaddegh in 1953?

[@davehendricks4824]

I’d like to know exactly how many petrochemicals are used globally by the military industrial complex.

[@dankoepp68]

Enter Quote Mr Art Berman "how you going to fight a war without oil?"

[@rosscobosco]

❤ Nate, I am loving your Podcast, you've been talking about what iv been trying to explain to everyone for so long. Please keep these discussions going ❤❤❤❤

[@user-zr1dr7nz8e]

I've already watched videos on your channel so it's not too surprising this would pop up in my feed, but also I just watched Dune last night, and every time something like this happens I wonder how closely the internet is watching me.

[@bobbaker5514]

Thank you Nate. My father was a British soldier in WW2 then joined the French Foreign Legion with the name of a dead British soldier, and was tricked into signing a second contract at his drunken farewell party and saw many terrible things before being medically retired after being released by the Vietnamese after surviving the battle of Dien Bien Phu. He was not fond of wars and advised me to never go overseas to fight someone else's war. Unfortunately the military industrial financial complex has shaped our structurally unjust terminal patriarchal system of destructive exploitation for 12,000 odd years when the first colonial cult of homo superior was formed in the once was "fertile crescent", the crucible of our civilization, and has been simplifying nature in its own barren brained way and leaving deserts in its wake ever since. My take on "The land of droughts and flooding rains" (Australia) is that it is a reflection and creation of bare and barren brains, and was managed for egalitarian abundance by the First Nations peoples for around 65.000 years or more, but the North is largely ignorant of their truly sustainable cultures and mastery of working with nature with a multi-generational focus towards the appreciation of the rich world they knew they were temporary parts of and maximization of biodiversity, amenity and abundance for all. And their wars were only occasional and fought to preserve egalitarian justice as far as I, a white descendant of Irish Convicts and pariah from mu own cult ure can tell, and I have been researching their ways as part of an effort to work out how we can salvage a survivable biosphere by addressing all of the major problems coherently to leverage beneficial positive feedback's and produce beneficial outcomes far greater than the sum of their parts. I could clearly see the "doom" in early 2004 but could also see potential solutions and proactively developed those ideas despite the corrupt denial that prevails. All the wars last century and this century have been fought for "Natural Resources", I graduated as a bachelor of Natural Resources in 2010 with first class honors for my thesis "Developing an Integrated renewable energy, water supply and carbon management system for Australia as an alternative to fossil fueled systems" (2009) And BZE produced a similar. more marketable effort a while after I had graduated, but I was ignored, although I was pursued by some academics to undertake a PhD so I designed and negotiated one they ultimately did not want as I attempted to frame reality, the padded inverse Ivory silos of academia embedded in flat Earth are not helpful. I assumed they cared about our Earth, silly me. I have been sufficiently disillusioned to see things as they are now though. It would be great to chat one day. I hope a global ceasefire is called and aid can get to the innocents suffering terribly. Thank you for your great efforts For our Earth Bob

[@TheGhungFu]

I've been through the Strait of Hormuz many times, in the 80s, and figured out early on that they who control the Strait have the world by the balls.

[@jennysteves]

So important. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@jeffreyburdges1293]

Yay Dune! :) Dune books #5 and #6 have really exciting metaphores for human survival.

[@michaeldiakakis4581]

Congratulations to your dad *(& for your Dad!). Regards

[@manongartside7467]

Iran would probably have been a democracy, more or less secular, for the last 70 years had the UK and the US had not meddled in their politics when Iran's PM, Mohammad Mosaddegh, nationalized Iran's oil fields in 1953. The UK was doing BP's bidding. Democracies are rational and cautious. Authoritarians, whether secular or religious, are for the most part reckless.

[@Seawithinyou]

This is why it is so important for our countries must prepare for serving on our own countries sustainable growth supplies Our country island Aotearoa New Zealand is very ecology adaptable of doing this and such as other island countries around the world but as long as sea level rise is planned out in future developments 🕊🌏💖

[@janklaas6885]

shalom 🙏 📍7:50 📍 10:13

[@carolspencer6915]

Good evening Nate Wee bit worried too. So scary knowing not enough of us good people see the possibilities on this larger scale. Truly grateful for you and your continued sensemaking. 💜

[@dylanthomas12321]

Nate, thank you for your data analysis. One cannot argue. The mind reels at the thought of 100 million barrels of oil per day, those beeing 44 gallon drums per barrel. Has anyone of your listener/viewers ever stood next to one such barrel? Or tried to imagine 100 million of them Per Day? It's quite beyond human comprehension. I often think you forsake the promise of solar, fusion, etc., and should give alternatives a better hearing, but replacing those 100 million 44 gallon barrels which make human civilization possible is such a monumental task, nobody gets that.

[@c.s.102]

Deep bow. Thank you.

[@Rawdiswar]

How about we use this geopolitical situation to "Just Stop Oil"?

[@margaretsaleeby9531]

Nate thanks again for not focusing totally on the economics of what could happen but helping viewers to see that there is a long history of cultural differences that have significantly shaped the warring histories of these Middle East nations. Expanding your commentary to remind us of such histories helps us to truly expand our awareness of the complexities behind what is commonly portrayed on many media platforms as something to be settled by geopolitical actors thereby absolving ordinary citizens in the many cultures involved of the need to truly understanding what is happening.

[@missh1774]

Thanks Nate.

[@stefanlouw6395]

Hi Nate, please have Daniel Schmachtenberger on for another episode. It would be incredible to get an update from you guys!

[@prematureoptimism7125]

Well said. It's always refreshing to hear the facts / truth minus the propaganda.

[@yoramharmelin783]

This reminds me of "Last Light" by Alex Scarrow. It is a dystopian thriller novel that follows the story of a global catastrophe caused by the sudden collapse of oil supplies worldwide (coordinated terrorist attacks agaisnt major oil supplies route if I remember well).

[@olivergilpin]

Insightful 🙏🙏

[@SeventhCircleID]

...such a loaded and difficult subject to approach and talk through. Handled sensitively and for the most part well.

[@kathyfrasher3417]

Yay,A new Nate post! Have a great weekend.

[@tinoyb9294]

Meanwhile, the planet is on fire.

[@Avianthro]

Don't give Lindsey Graham too much credit for thinking of anything beyond getting re-elected by bringing as much MIC money into his state as possible.

[@coweatsman]

The Straight of Hormuz is today as strategicly signifiant as the Dardanelles Straight was in history, connecting east and west from the Trojan War, not really about the most beautiful woman in the world but about dominance of the Dardanelles to the disastrous Gallipoli campaign of WWI. In that last one the Anzacs, Canadians, British and other allies's objective was to capture control of the straight and destroy the Turkish forts. Russia did not want to be isolated and the Germans wanted to build a railway from Berlin to Baghdad (close to oil) bypassing the Suez Canal control by France and Britain. The Balkan nations were rivals supporting one side of the other, Russia or Austro-Hungry, or wanting independence.

[@Seawithinyou]

Yes you Western Northern hemisphere economy is so dependent on Middle East Oil and at some small part our Southern Hemisphere countries Great podcast Nate and as you know from us Faithful Followers we are ever grateful for your Truthful and giving hope for a preparation of a simple sustainable survival future Back to pre 1800’s mind set 🕊🌏💖

[@NullHand]

We were, most directly until the fracking revolution. Now the Western Hemisphere is mostly self sufficient. Most of the Middle Eastern oil is consumed in the Far East, South Asia, and Europe. Of course, shutting down East Asia economically is going to have global fallout.... even in Kiwiland.

[@JoshuaTalley-ru5uy]

Hello. I enjoy your podcast, it helps educate me about so many important topics. Mom mom is originally from Mankato. I love Minnesota! 🙂

[@graemetunbridge1738]

Good'ay to you too. (Australia)

[@Jeffberg42]

Last time i looked at the data. For every 3% decline in supply there is a doubling of the barrel price.

[@robertpaulson6388]

Let's not forget the US military is the single biggest consumer of oil in the world. They use approx 15% of the USA's oil consumption.

[@jaynutter85]

Loved it. Shared it. Thanks Nate great content.

[@user-hn1sw4cf7x]

Important information

[@elisabethbordin982]

Thank you … I am American living in Europe .. and deeply ashamed of both … our stupidity evilness imbecility will be our downfall … soon

[@WilliamGreen]

"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing" - Paul Muad'Dib . I'm more concerned about the West than the East acting irrationally. The calculations of escalation have driven engagement in both World Wars.

[@coweatsman]

Vietnam - failed. Afghanistan - failed. Iraq - failed. Maybe Iran will give us a chance to repeat all the same old mistakes. Oh what blindness!

[@kevinbyrne3725]

1. Conflict in Ukraine can be deescalated by helping Ukraine win the war. Because Putin isn't going to stop unless he is stopped. 2. Oil doesn't just make the economy function, it's needed for agriculture. So a rapid loss of the oil supply won't just cause an economic disaster it will also cause famine in many countries. 3. Global supply chains are fragile things that were only made possible by U.S. security policies. But Americans are less and less interested in patrolling the world's oceans so sooner or later, these supply chains are going to break.

[@toddthedrysocket]

In his book "A Short History of Progress" Ronald Wright wrote "Letting apes run the laboratory was fun for a while but in the end a bad idea." Recently William Astore - history professor, retired Air Force Lt Col - said he thought the U.S. was addicted to war. And of course the entire global economy is strongly dependent on oil. May the Creative Forces of the Universe smile in our general direction, to the extent possible, and as Yogi Berra noted, "You never know when something surprising might happen."

[@Raze1283]

I'm glad you touched on the religious undertones in a reasonable manner. Since, if those undertones move to the forefront then rationality and reason in this whole situation will be going bye-bye

[@Thomas-wn7cl]

Iran has hypersonic missiles that all publicly know air defense systems are helpless against. This includes the US Navy air defense systems, which means these missiles are capable of sinking any surface vessel.

[@octavecom429]

Iran may partially close straits of hormuz against US and her allies in the same way as the houthi have done.

[@wanchattheeranaew9893]

Seem more likely as situation progresses.

[@j85grim4]

You're not a-political Nate. If you advocate for any "policy" you are political. What you mean is you're a-partisan meaning you don't support any particular political party.

[@prematureoptimism7125]

We, ( meaning us humans ) are consuming oil 🛢️ 👄

[@Jeffberg42]

Post Carbon Toronto Founded by yours truly 2003. Our ngo niche: limits to resources and the biosphere. I.e. will we use our non-renewables to build up our renewables? Or to collapse them.

[@robertmarken3794]

Thanks for everything, but I was a little stunned that when discussing the "religious component" you didn't mention the actual Theocracy in the room. I miss when it was Persia, and even miss the Pahlavi dynasty, but it's been the Islamic Republic since 1979 and that's who your dealing with, not the people of Iran.

[@mingus6929]

I see you...

[@Jeffberg42]

We hosted 100 public lectures on energy and the environment. Richard Heinberg Dave Hughes Gordon Laxer Danny Harvey Elizabeth May To name a few

[@HK-wq1ei]

in terms of future oil reserves: you mention Iran, Russia and Iraq. I'm curious as to whether arctic circle oil reserves factor at all into these future oil sources, or are just not significant enough to consider?

[@jairorincon8368]

Nate, you did not mention Venezuela, which is a western country, close to the USA. And which has the largest, by far, proven crude oil reserves in the world. Which, although is a dictatorship, is not a radical islamist country. But a Christian, modern, capitalistic economy.

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

But as the nations with the world’s largest reserves, both face increasing existential threat from water crisis, which is strung like a necklace West to East, from the ME to the Pacific Ocean.

[@user-gf3lw5pi4t]

They closed it down in the 70s or 80s I don’t remember it didn’t last very long

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

It is the spice.

[@michaelreich9714]

How 'bout those Abrahamic Faiths. To live in the shadow of Abraham.

[@chyfields]

Perhaps our planet needs to retain Her oil for energy and to lubricate and insulate the planetary being, much like us. As above, so below.

[@publicdomain1103]

Setting us all up to be the fall guy.

[@davidmorton8332]

Maybe we ' need ' an oil price shock to speed up electrification and decarbonisation ?

[@dbadagna]

Electricity represents only 20 percent of global energy use, and, in any case, solar panels and wind turbines only last 20, 30, or possibly 40 years before they need to be junked and new ones built (using fossil fuels).

[@jb00212000]

Electrification continues (even accelerates) the ecocide. It continues the destruction of the natural world using a different energy source. We simply need to do less.

[@gregflock380]

what he is saying is this whole thing is propped up by everyone playing NICE......probably at least 50 things like this that if even one of these choke points goes off line or countries decide to choke us off then like JENGA the economy will topple.....its really amazing that it has held together and cheap food cheap fuels cheap medicine...all this has held together and we have been spoiled....but soon...something bad is coming and prices will go sky high.,,,do at least some PREPPINg.

[@Soundthenew22]

Hello Nate. The way I see these countries is different-Israel is an angry young woman, not quite 30. Iran is basically an extremely logical 50ish man

[@donalking5460]

How much longer are we goin to be dependant on oil nate.. as the human race expands its boundaries into. Space. Surley oil isn't the answer. I guess what I'm trying to sat is. How long are we goin to suppress viable sources energy providers, in favour of. Oil?

[@jb00212000]

Replacing oil with a different energy source will continue the ecocide. The natural world simply will be destroyed using a different energy source. The answer is not to replace current energy sources, but to retire them by doing less (degrowth).

[@lancechapman3070]

Russia needs to stand down and remove its belligerent forces to within its internationally recognized borders.

[@lancechapman3070]

Buckle up cupcake

[@robinschaufler444]

"Secular Zionists"..."religious component". That's a contradiction. The secular Zionists form Israel's right wing, and they think of the descendents of Israel as a people, a nation, not as a religion. That is why they are called "secular." This is a case of outright Nationalism, nothing more nor less, and it galls religious Jews both in Israel and in the diaspora. I hope you will qualify this statement in some future Frankly, Nate, not because I think you are antisemitic, but because I think your brief statement could be so misconstrued.

[@ladrilloconalma7984]

¿China?

[@springinfialta106]

Risking rupture for a false belief in rapture. Sad.

[@user-pr1xs5qi7p]

Rapture is not the second coming of The Christ. At the rapture, Christ APPEARS in the clouds to receive His Bride. His feet do not touch the Earth. The SECOND COMING, His feet splits the Mt of Olives and He establishes His kingdom on Earth. FYI. 😇❤️

[@Cpt_JaK]

It's all a big metaphor anyway...not meant to be taken literally! I grew up on this belief system but after my period of post-deconstruction, I've arrived at esoteric christianity & zen taoism.

[@royarnejosefsen1863]

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[@user-gf3lw5pi4t]

Kennedy/Shanahan2024❤❤

[@johnmitchell2741]

Did i tell you i live in the middle of the bible belt

[@user-qm5eg3fg8c]

So imbalanced and one sided. Nate is talking about religion motives of Christians / Zionists without saying a word about Iran's Muslim fundamentalism, or without commenting on who started the current round of aggression between Iran and Israel. This is echo chamber type thinking.

[@brentirving7209]

Who started it?

[@user-qm5eg3fg8c]

@@brentirving7209 Iran

[@brentirving7209]

@@user-qm5eg3fg8c when and how

[@georgenelson8917]

See 1948 please and the ‘’MANIFEST DESTINY’’ of the JEWISH State endlessly just keeps taking the remaining Arab land that was to set aside for them. This is a sleazy dirty land grab over 75 yrs .

[@tonyohalloran8817]

Haha. We're all part of a single species? Put the pipe down man.

[@thegreatsimplification]

No. Common ancestor but have speciated millions of times since. Related to all others, but different species