The Strange and Unexplained Disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon

[@hunterglass1840]

I was stationed in Panama in the early 80’s. Airborne infantry we spent a lot of time in the jungles. The jungles are hypnotic and it's easy to get lost. There are also a lot of things in the jungle that can kill you. Some walk on 8 legs and some have 2.

[@Kenshiroit]

Omg spiders

[@golffoxtrotyankee]

@D. B. respect is not that hard to learn or practice...failure to do so only leads to another practice, talk shit-spit blood!

[@SassyShell13]

@@golffoxtrotyankee 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@forcesightknight]

@D. B. don't be a such a smart ass, I did my jungle survival training there, he's not joking. There are lots of things that can kill you, also two beautiful girls alone in the Panama jungle? Why don't you go get dropped of in the jungle there with no survival skills and see just how long you last. FYI John Ramos name is on the Vietnam memorial so don't use him name as a joke.

[@amyelizabeth135]

@@forcesightknight i think hes referring to the film Rambo but your point is correct. People cannot understand places like this when you have never been or have no experience I survival. It's kind of fool hearty to go to a place like this alone. And there are woogooo many undiscovered species of animals out there so who knows what could have got them

[@linag7308]

Always listen to the locals! You go off the trail two feet. I heard you automatically get lost. The forest is so dense.

[@joec8750]

Word

[@urmammy84]

That's what I've always been told also.

[@MissingVoidTV]

Absolute top advice really. They are going to understand the area far better than we ever could.

[@jrwoodson3927]

Locals can lie to man.

[@FirstNameLastName000]

I agree completely. And always turn back if walking ahead looks hard and unpleasant -- unless you hired a guide familiar with the area.

[@billyray5232]

You left out some Big, Major details...for instance, the Guide that found the bones was also the Last person to see them Alive.The same Guide also had been reported for acting inappropriate with other females he had taken into the Jungle...

[@ohsuzeyq_]

BIlly Ray exactly

[@MongoLikeBeer]

Whoa. Never heard about this.

[@AverageAmerican]

He said they were reported missing when they failed to meet up with their guide.

[@ericstevens2586]

@The Credible Hulk I was thinking about the same thing..when the photos no longer showed the girls to be smiling That's when I automatically thought...those photos were not taken by them....BUT. SOMEONE ELSE

[@tntnelson6307]

If I were one of their parents...I’d track this guide down and literally torture him until I got answers

[@Funckle73]

They took some strangers dog with them?! That makes no sense. And when locals tell you not to go alone..... then DONT go alone!!!!!

[@kenbrownfield6584]

Yes, always listen to the locals !!!

[@kevincooper6237]

@Angry Hippo good point!

[@jaimecosta4512]

@Jake Dean They didn't take the dog with them, it is from the restaurant at the very start of the trail. It follows hikers for a ways as its habit. It IS NOT the hosts dog, which would be weird, and taxistas will almosts always refuse dogs. WTF! I have seen this dog and his name is Blue and very friendly. Where did this host's dog story start anyway?

[@wholeplatter]

What if the dog is actually the cause of all this. The dog went off trail, and the girls followed it. They lost the sight of the dog and actually got lost themselves.

[@schoolwork232]

@@wholeplatter interesting observation!

[@fabiwilliams4644]

Strange that neither girl did a recording on their phones to explain their situation

[@zumbagirly72]

GOOOOOD POINT...I learned that from Blair Witch

[@2ndhandSue]

Fabi Williams - that particular camera has video capability as well - why hadn't they made a video at some point just to "leave behind" if that became the worst case scenario. At least the hundreds of searchers and their families wouldn't still be scratching their heads more than a year later.

[@zoomiesx3632]

They probably did but pics are missing so that means vids would be missing to,or hidden from public

[@nifflofair6685]

Maybe they did!

[@MyVitaminQ]

A goodbye or heads up.

[@Alex_Was_Taken]

The pictures shown at 31:12 aren't ground level, they're facing up or down a steep cliff. If you're ever in a situation like this, (try to) send a text message, it'll go through when you have some reception, whereas a call requires a constant and solid connection. And if you keep your sound on, you can generally hear the text being successfully sent, so you'll know you got some reception at your current location.

[@MissingVoidTV]

Hey Cap'n, that's actually some solid advice. Hadn't considered that

[@Kenshiroit]

They or she (???) Probably were trying to get to higher ground to get a reception

[@Victoria-nh9sp]

I thought the same they didnt sent a tex

[@mohawk7995]

Thanks for that, I live in Melbourne, Australia. that's good to know if I am in the outback if I happen to be in the middle of Australia. I did not think of that.

[@lindaatkinson3962]

@Anthony MacKaye - they never intended to stay overnight in the jungle...they were supposed to return after a 2 or 3 hour hike...

[@Noname-zx4xj]

This is by far the scariest and most heartbreaking case of mysterious disappearance and unexplained finding of dead bodies I've ever come across.

[@man_v_machine]

please share the solution to this case - I am near certain that the nighttime photos depict them being inside an animal trap (a pit) - there is no other explanation, they probably fell there during the evening or night, and looked for a way out using photo flash - most of the pictures are looking up the sky the white dots that are in the photos ar by far most likely something on the spider webs - often water drops or some other substance form on spider webs I think locals found them most likely already dead - they put belonging near the river when they got worried that the full truth might be uncovered if the searches continue

[@Camila-yy3mh]

Ich auch

[@Camila-yy3mh]

@@man_v_machine wonder if they were caught why the murder don’t took their Handys away…? I can’t believe it was an accident.

[@marknewton6984]

They were victims of Third World male ego. Sad.

[@mandelbrot2232]

it is a scary case - but even without foul play - what they did was deadly

[@lonerlink1993]

Please don't be naive if you plan on traveling 😔

[@urmammy84]

❤💯

[@SpookyShivers]

Loner Link Number One Rule: CARRY FIREARMS. ΑΩ

[@oceanbaby5820]

Exactly!!!!!

[@duudsuufd]

@@SpookyShivers Only in the less civilized countries you can freely take firearms with you (like Yemen, Afganistan, the U.S.). And it won't help you a lot in the rainforest unless you want to hunt monkeys to eat. You must be a very good shooter against spiders and camouflaged snakes; if you don't hit a jaguar on the right place of its body at the first shot, it will still kill you; and local criminals who know the area would surprise you..

[@sfletch3042]

@@duudsuufd exactly. It is a naive and unrealistic belief that having a gun makes one safe. It does not.

[@shieldofpistis9557]

I respect you very much for telling people to click the "dislike button" if they didn't like the video. I feel like so many KZbin Creators beg for likes and subscriptions. It is very refreshing to run into a creator that doesn't beg. Thank you!

[@videosdeecologia7468]

I've been working in forests like these for 25 years. I've been following this case since it appeared on the internet in 2014. I've read and watched a lot about it. The photos, cell phone records and forensics in this case suggest that the girls got lost on their way down from the El Mirador summit. They even tried to access google maps when going down the mountain. It may be that there was fog at the time, making it impossible for them to choose the correct direction of descent. It could be that they were distracted by the photos, etc. and when it was time to go down, they forgot which of the two paths [both descents] to take. This is much easier to happen than you think. Another thing that few realized is that in this region there are a lot of cattle and the cattle can make false paths that confuse people. Getting lost in the woods is a lot easier than most people think, especially if it's your first time hiking. I myself have already got lost 3 or 4 times on the first visit to unknown trails. Without a guide, getting lost is even easier. The first emergency call is also revealing: it was made leaving a margin of time that if they had followed the correct path they would have already arrived in the village. I believe that after getting lost, the girls went in the N direction to the cable bridge where some kind of accident occurred that hurt one of them or even both. I don't believe in murder etc because from what I've seen in several documentaries about real crimes the first thing kidnappers do is take any cell phone or camera from the victims. The night photos show that the girls tried to signal the rescue until the last moment. Only one thing still makes me not believe 100% in what I wrote: the backpack. Explaining what happened to the backpack is essential to clarify this case. And there are a lot of uncertainties about that.

[@meghanmisaliar]

You made excellent points.

[@WeatherBarroon2]

I’ve seen several videos which have covered this case. This is one of the best ones I’ve seen, in terms of the timeline and description. Well done 👍🏻

[@alexmasak]

You got instagram

[@krisquigley4497]

This was so creepy and unsettling I kind of wish I hadn't listened to it. Shiver.

[@MissingVoidTV]

I know what you mean. It's one of the reasons why I have started to alternate between disappearances and other topics - after a while of reading some of these cases, it's just absolutely crushing.

[@toria165]

The missing person cases of this sort are so scary! There are so many cases all over the world that are so similar. Just terrifying and bizarre.

[@krisquigley4497]

@@JosephKulik2016 Jesus, calm down.

[@TheAcesendedOne]

I mean come on... there clearly has to be a third party involvement. 40 something different finger prints on the backpack. 6 different finger prints on their bras... there just had to be someone going through their stuff.

[@BigBodyBiggolo]

The "photoshopped" pictures look like they took out a third person too. They are altered exactly at the spot where someone could be posing for the picture with them/her.

[@kyrie2smooth26]

PuertoRicanPower 9301 what photoshopped photos?

[@BigBodyBiggolo]

@@kyrie2smooth26 the pictures might or might not be photoshopped but people refer to them as the photoshopped picture cause they are so unusual. The picture where they are together looks like it might have cropped out a third person

[@itsmackenzie]

I don't necessarily believe the fingerprints are suspecious. They did just travel by plane, bus and boat to get there. If she checked her bag, who knows how many people touched it.

[@sarajoachim2186]

@@itsmackenzie Agreed, they'd recently traveled from a different continent so it doesn't necessarily strike me as suspicious either.

[@ClarkyWarky]

This is how ppl get into danger, die or go missing in Hawaii! LISTEN TO THE LOCALS!!! We'll only warn you once, what you do with that warning is your responsibility.

[@KajunMs39]

I went hiking while in Hawaii. I never assumed I knew it all. Respect the territory and it's people. I'll be returning in a few months.. cannot wait. 💞💕

[@mydearautumn]

This happened in Panama, not in Hawaii.

[@LanceVanceDance84]

@@mydearautumn He's not implying that this happened in Hawaii, he's saying that people similarly go missing there as well.

[@tamara6212]

One of my best friends has travelled extensively in Mexico, South America and said "Always listen to the locals"". Even what to eat. If the locals eat at a specific place,,, eat there. If they warn you to beware of areas, trails, etc.,, pay attention! They know what they're talking about.

[@adambuglyo7594]

I absolutely love your videos man, the way you get into them in detail. After David Paulides you're my next favourite guy to listen to about these disappearances. Seriously. Love it. You do a great job! Keep it up.

[@kellykeller9640]

This is heartbreaking but those girls didn't put any thought in this trip...they didn't think about the dangers going into a forest alone with no weapons...they had nothing to protect themselves with...

[@bisexualichigo4227]

Clairvoyante ikr. But it is necessary, we can’t go blind to places. Unless the government don’t find better ways to make our lives safer, we have to be extremely careful everywhere.

[@jaclyneagle6210]

well no they were supposed to do volunteer work but the lady turned them away, even though they called many times to confirm the day and time of their arrival.

[@DeliaLRuiz]

Two good hearted girls wanted to help at school, school tells them no. Asthma, no weapons, maybe pushed over the fall. Or,worse happened to them. Only God knows, prayers for their families and friends. Remember all the good things about them. In Jesus name.

[@justinedse3314]

@@bisexualichigo4227 Don't ever rely on government to make your life safer. 😅

[@lavernedefazio3845]

God Bless the families of these 2 girls......may they be comforted.

[@edwardalamo2507]

Any young white female is prime target, CBS news correspondent Laura L. was sexually assaulted in a crowd in Egypt

[@petmomful2260]

Sorry to say, god did not bless anyone in this situation. The girls are dead, and the families are left mourning, and not knowing what happened. That is awful.

[@Istayuplatedrivefast]

@@petmomful2260 sorry to say but god does not exist

[@petmomful2260]

@@Istayuplatedrivefast Yes, I completely agree.

[@Istayuplatedrivefast]

@@kellyscurrentreads prove it

[@deah5264]

I feel so bad for those poor girls. All they wanted was to have a little innocent fun and they end up dead. My heart and prayers go out to their families. Such a tragic story.

[@eadgyth8200]

Me too.

[@anamariagutierrez2019]

And few hours after arriving, even the taxi driver could've advice other man about in which Hotel are beautiful naive tourist girls are, from there just one or most likely a group follow them, very sad.

[@davidortiz3094]

Ignorance can get you killed. Why go into a forest & not strapped with some form of weapon?

[@ameliel8792]

Me too. That bravery and sense of adventure should have been rewarded. What a sad world.

[@joohoneybun]

@@davidortiz3094 stuff for first aid and also stuff for just in case the weather changes too. forests are unpredictable. i do feel bad that they had to die that way, but it sucks that they didn't think five steps ahead.

[@Llerrah508]

Love to see a map of the area. These missing persons cases really drive me to try and find answers. I feel bad for those gone missing because we cannot hear them.

[@annemargaret5562]

Out of all the cases I listen to, this one never seems to leave me. It's just terrifying, even if the girls simply got lost and couldn't survive the jungle, that in itself is horrifying enough, to be lost in the darkness like that with strange sounds and no supplies or anything to keep you going. The alternatives are even worse, the only saving grace being that they were together, at least for the majority of whatever happened to them. I hope so much that someone finds the answers to what happened to Lisanne and Kris, I really do.

[@NadaYoTengo]

They were never lost. Witnesses in Alto Lino saw them trying to get a return cab. I live here and can tell u that there is a lot of BS propagated.

[@Anw4rr10r]

@@NadaYoTengo They tried to get a return cab? And then? What happened next?

[@brucegough]

​@@Anw4rr10r And then the taxi took them to another trail and they got lost there

[@hellenicblonde6117]

Thank you for your excellent coverage of this case. You managed to uncover a lot of details I hadn't heard before.

[@luvbeinghiswife1148]

I always hit Like before watching because I know Top Mysteries means Top Quality 👍

[@crazycatladyoftullamore5176]

Me too xo

[@MissingVoidTV]

Legends! Thank you very much👍

[@myflock000]

lol i too do that!

[@cyursthevirustvcc8911]

For the first time in KZbin I did that to this video then read this? Woww ha'

[@darcidecaesaria9071]

Me 2

[@kenlee1416]

A few questions and possibilities: 1) How is it so few bones were found (5 sets, 33 fragments in all). It was relatively dry that April and the rivers were certainly not strong enough to smash corpses into smithereens. The bodies would have decomposed significantly (if not fully) but large segments of skeletal remains should have been found with bits of clothing clinging to the remains - perhaps lodged between rocks. 2) How could the backpack and its contents stay largely intact and the electronic items still working. If they were exposed to the elements, there would have been significant damage to the items. 3) Weren't the backpack and bone fragments found UPSTREAM of the 'Serpent' river from where the women were considered to have perished. There were no scratch or bite marks on the bones indicating animals transported them there, so perhaps this was a gravity defying river? 4a) You have to look closely at the local guide (F) who was purportedly last to see the women and who injected himself in the various searches for the women AND who conveniently found the women's bone fragments. This guide has also been reported to be extremely flirtatious particularly with female clients of Nordic-Northern/Central European origin. 4b) There are also rumours the guide's stepson (H) was involved in gang activity with other locals (including one individual from a restaurant). 4c) Isn't the death of the taxi driver who took the women to the start of the El Pianista suspicious? He supposedly drowned in an area that was not considered dangerous. 5) The dog that supposedly followed them is called Blue - there were no photos of the dog with the 2 women. This dog was filmed when the women's parents went on the trail. Surely the women would have taken one photo on the Mirador with the dog? 6) Lisanne was an avid writer in her diaries and would communicate regularly with her parents. If she suspected she was dying, why did she not record a final message on her camera! 7) Why was there a lapse of 1 week, before any photos (the barrage of ~90 night photos) were taken? Weren't there search parties during that 1 week, would they not have encountered jungle creatures then - why only after 1 week? 8) Assuming there was no tampering with the memory card, there is a very small possibility the camera skipped numbering from 508 straight to 510. I have experienced this skipping on my DSLR once or twice. 9) The second, blue shoe frankly looks like a man's shoe and looks well worn - so probably not belonging to either women. Kris' parents were probably mistaken in identifying it as hers? 10) The entire area in and around the trail is a hotbed of drug smuggling activity with dozens of unsolved deaths. The country itself is in the worst 20% globally in terms of murder rate - need we say more? 11) What's chilling is that if murder was involved, the perpetrators were clearly NOT interested in money/valuables but something else...

[@kenlee1416]

@LMP3 And you believe the shit that is presented as so-called evidence of death by falling?

[@kenlee1416]

@To Release is To Resolve No one is disputing that wandering about the wilderness unprepared can be fatal. What's questionable are the evidence - which are not conclusive of supposed death by misadventure. While we are not saying 100% that this is murder, you cannot simply dismiss the many strange aspects of the case. Those that dismiss this as being nothing but stupidity of the women also completely (conveniently?) ignore that the area is a hotbed of drug activity and has had several dozen unsolved deaths. Yes, the women really should have looked at the murder stats as well as the territory and then decide to go on the hike only in a large group with trustworthy and armed guides leading the way.

[@jupiter8512]

@@kenlee1416 HOW DARE YOU BRING LOGIC, CRITICAL THINKING AND INVESTIGATIVE METHODOLOGY IN THIS COMMENT SECTION? REPORTEDED

[@ar4203]

@@kenlee1416 I think it comes down to likelyhood as neither the foul play or accident theory are fool proof and without problematic points. However I My opinion there are too many MORE problems in considering foul play rather than an accident. I can explain why later

[@kenlee1416]

@@ar4203 Yes please.

[@dereknoto9969]

Rule number one for any girls traveling alone..keep to yourself and dont run around actually looking like a tourist and talking to men and telling them your plans.They were probably harvested for their body parts by someone they I interacted interacted with that posed as a friendly helper.

[@D_Thang]

That’s what I’ve always thought when traveling. There’s a lot of organ harvesting going on in this world.

[@benazizalassaad6909]

@@D_Thang so true

[@benazizalassaad6909]

Definitely

[@iseabailthomson8877]

What a shit world we live in

[@MrGot2film]

Spoken like a serial killer

[@Lightner445555555555]

This is the saddest, and creepiest case I've ever read about in my entire life 😢!!

[@Watchout1010]

You read this?Missing person mysteries channel.

[@andreyvasilev6719]

Не знаю, как вы думаете, но бывают ситуации довольно банальны и просты. Но в то же время опасны. Так, что аккуратнее нужно быть. Это пример того, что казалось ничего не предвещало беды и на тебе! Будте аккуратны и берегите себя! 😐

[@jamielauro2623]

Same

[@billblaski9523]

Creepy because you could make a case for they either just succumbed to death on their own or their was a third-party criminal element that caused their death

[@Sam-81810]

Great video. I think someone was eyeing these girl and found an opening when they were alone in the woods(local could see this from a mile away). Police/government know the truth and are covering it to avoid fear from the public/tourist. My parents are from Central America and all I want to say is you don’t go wondering off in these places, especially if you’re a women or presume wealth. There’s a lot of ugly people in these places who come from some of the poorest, neglected communities

[@falconquest2068]

Interesting that the money wasn't taken. Most "locals" in South American countries could really use that kind of money. There had to be a motive which could have simply been sex or sex trafficking. Attractive young women (sadly) should not travel on their own especially in a foreign country.

[@nmecado]

Sorry to say but coming from central America myself and all the warnings given to me by family when I visit money is not the most valuable thing they had. People fail to understand these are poor countries that also have medical health issues and no access to the decent health care. A liver or kidney doesn't come along that easy and organs are move valuable then money. They money or phones couldn't be sold or spent without suspicion. Organs on the other hand no one speaks of cause it probably saved a local or fed a town when sold.

[@chiaradiamontini459]

Exactly.

[@eliciaeldridge3452]

Not just women a man or men wondering off in the jungle can easily be killed as well.

[@ameliel8792]

@@eliciaeldridge3452 exactly. Organ traffickers don't discriminate. A man from Stockport, UK went missing from this area too in 2009 I think. Horrific.

[@jonathanturbide2232]

Great in-depth summary of this very strange case, terrific job. So many things about this story is baffling, particularly the possible tampering of the pictures and the location of the bones/clothes. Very weird. I say they were the victims of foul play, but man it's honestly far from being provable. Truly a baffling case all around, glad you did a video about it! 👍👍👍

[@jonathanturbide2232]

@Madhuryamoy Ray Heya, fellow UM addict! Good to see you my man, I'm doing fantastic thanks a lot for asking, I hope all is well for you too! I just wish there were new episodes of UM to watch haha, I miss binge watching new Robert Stack seasons. 😉👍✌

[@gronz]

in-depth ? this is one of the weakest videos I have seen of the more than 100.

[@gmariedorsey]

Missing 411...it fits the bill...right down to the shorts being folded next to the river. Gives me chills...money and electronics were not taken...at least you would take the money unless of course what ever got them doesn't need it.

[@marykampa2978]

I thought that immediately!

[@spongefun]

Yep. 411 is what i thought too

[@nancyM1313]

Very disturbing, shorts left behind.(folded) so sad to hear. I think it is a very good idea doing these types of videos. There are some people who have never heard of what's been happening. Thank you very much and if it wasn't for people like you.....I would've not known. 👌 #topmysteries

[@duudsuufd]

@rj doggman They started a trail from a tourist village. They would do a real jungle trail later, because they arranged a trip with a local guide later on. Also a local dog accompanied them so it must have been a trail that is often used and the dog knows it very well. The problem is that they became overconfident to go further on a less used path. And local criminals know where to find their prey.

[@dougdevine5294]

@rj doggman your right rj , they will try extortion too, but more than likely they tasted like chicken, i presume.

[@jennifermarie1230]

I think Kris died first which explains the wrong pin being used. Kris died and Lisann was trying to log into kris phone. Also if kris died first (week before) maybe that’s why her bones were clean. Who knows maybe Lisann lasted a month after kris died which is why her bones still had skin attached .

[@2147B]

How do you explain the foot that was cut off by a saw/tool, and the type of bleach they found on one of the bodies bones

[@alexandrazakos528]

It was lye which is found in the soil, this could account for the bleaching of the bones.

[@2147B]

@@alexandrazakos528 The jungle floor is very different. They admitted that not much jungle floor at all contained lye, even where the bone was found

[@jasonbernard9012]

Wow. This is the first story I’ve heard by you and you seriously put a lot of work into figuring out what happened in each instance. Thanks for doing that!

[@psw4763]

Plan your adventures carefully with pros and cons. Two young women alone taking a vacation far from home and no other family members or friends of theirs. Very risky to say the least.

[@_Winfried_]

@r aw i doubt thats even remotely the direction Phyllis was going for

[@burlapjack1464]

@r aw such a woman moment

[@fuseboy22]

Why not take some 2 men buddy's from their homecountry with...

[@falconquest2068]

@r aw No, but unfortunately attractive young women are perceived as targets by some men. It's simple reality. There's being adventurous and then there's being prudent and using your head. It boils down to your choice of course but everyone should err on the side of caution.

[@Shamegmail]

Youre absolutely RIGHT.

[@blueeyedgypsy485]

First of all. It’s not safe to go to national parks here so in others countries like Peru is def an absolute no. There’s many strange things that happen there and with the history there as well. You just don’t go to countries like this without a male as well. My opinion

[@latergator4154]

luisa berry it’s weird how national parks are all pretty dodgy even in the states, of course in 3rd world countries you have other things that will kill you other then wild life.

[@paullasmith4975]

Tim Albarino talks about Sardinia and Peru but the same happens every place.

[@Iamtheliquor]

luisa berry “Here” being where?

[@paullasmith4975]

@@Iamtheliquor "Here" being U.S. (Yosemite, Crater Lake etc).

[@Iamtheliquor]

paulla smith Thanks! “Here” could have been anywhere in the world.

[@RogwerThPirate]

I hope this case be soloved one day to get some closure

[@ejwis1]

If you don’t have a map or guide, your in trouble. If you don’t have proper clothing, your in trouble. If you don’t have food and water, your in trouble. I hike all the time and it’s very easy to get lost.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Had the two been smokers, or even just carried a Bic lighter, they'd have been rescued inside of two days.

[@johngreen9457]

First thing I would like to say, is that you my friend could have your own television show on this topic. You have the best videos out there. You do an incredible job!! Thank you for that. Now I have been following this for a couple of years now, I have gone way outside the box. You have to, I am sure half or ore are really getting lost and normal things that happen. But there are some things going on out there that would blow our minds!!!! I am way outside of the box on a lot of these cases, I will not mention here. I would be laughed at. But, I think Dave and yourself are both on the same page also. ? Keep up the great work on this topic. Be safe and may God bless all of us.

[@suflanker45]

I've heard about this case a couple of years ago. I think a third party was involved and they were murdered. I believe that the two girls met that third party on the trail and convinced them to travel further down the trail. The missing photo 509 may have had an image of that third party. I think the girls realized that something was wrong and were able to get away from the third party and then tried to use their phones to call for help. They became lost and were groping around the jungle while the third party was chasing them. They were eventually caught perhaps not at the same time but they were killed and their bodies were dissolved in chemicals. The third party hooked their camera up to a computer to delete photo 509 and then took all those nighttime photos and staged a scene to make it look like the girls got lost got hurt and died. I believe it was the third party that tried to unlock the iphone probably wanting to see if any evidence implicating the third party was in there. I believe the backpack was placed in a spot where it would be found so the staged photos would be found and the local corrupt police would rule it an accidental death because they didn't want the money making tourist business to dry up.

[@stacybridgeford2829]

also plausible

[@smiralshah7635]

I am very much convinced with you and I have my theory...which makes super sense

[@MrBishonen]

Plausible, but what would the motives be? Why all the trouble when the perpetrators could simply get rid of the evidence once and for all?

[@patriciacrompton8810]

This is a strange story. I do believe they were fleeing from someone or something

[@AverageAmerican]

@jeverett72 Greetings, I am a personal rep for Mr. and Mrs. Bigfoot. After I sent word out across the continents and it finally came back they have virtually no direct knowledge of any of our unrecovered comrades. However, they do send tons of condolences and hope we find the perpetrators to these puzzling cases. Oh, also they warn we should take extra precaution if we do go into the forrest anywhere. As, in various regions many have sighted strange lights, advanced crafts, and a being (s) they call the dominator (s) who might be involved in nefarious activities... suspected sub terrestrials.

[@AverageAmerican]

@jeverett72 The fact that people gang up on other people is no theory. There is nothing mysterious or mystical about conspiracy. Just a heads-up we never been alone and you might wanna take Jesus with you, if you venture into the woods. That's all. Humans have enemies plain and simple.

[@LuisaD93]

Patricia Crompton based on what facts ?

[@jeffreykalb9752]

@@AverageAmerican There were a string of sightings in Panama leading up to the incident.

[@AverageAmerican]

@@jeffreykalb9752 That figures.

[@saradance-every8696]

This case has always made me wonder what happened to the girls. So many questions. Thank you for covering their case.

where are the girls heads ffs?

[@rachelroosa2971]

I think someone abducted them and was smart. That would explain the password being wrong on the phone. They probably went to a place where they knew that cell phones wouldn't work and made the calls themselves to make it seem like the girls did it. The search teams were out there the whole time that was going on and combed through that forest. Also, why were all of the items undamaged in the bag after MONTHS of being in a rainforest? I think the same person took the photos to make it seem like the girls were keeping track of where they were. It's weird that in the pictures, the girl's hair is clean after several days of being "lost" in the forest. That's just puzzling to me. Where is the rest of the body? There were no animal bites. Why were the remains bleached? Why did the body's decompose so different? So many questions.

[@wendygreeff205]

My thoughts exactly. And how about the clean cut which severed Lisanne’s foot? Not consistent with anything other than human intervention.

[@zombiemanhasbe4119]

Some people say that picture was edited in and something were taken out

[@justine8398]

This sounds like the movie Turistas which was supposedly but not entirely based off of true events in Brazil of a similar situation. But of course, they changed the story a bit when making it into a movie which is a shame.

[@elliothuh669]

Her hair had no rain drops even though rain drops appear in the night photos. A

[@haithemcherif1077]

An Organized Mafia is behind it

[@ChristelMontoya]

This case is fascinating to me! Anytime one travels, it is IMPERATIVE to listen to the locals!!! Like it’s the number one rule of travel. The locals always know what’s up...

[@sandyvi808]

I've watched and listened to many versions of this case. You really did a great job, like adding in the blog post of someone who had been on that trail 👌

[@markvines7308]

Thanks for the effort you put into making these videos. Your research and presentation are great and the subject matter is always interesting.

[@cheekyuk7785]

My favourite channel covering this case omg I cant wait to listen!

[@MissingVoidTV]

Thanks Cheeky! Unfortunately we were left with way more questions than answers, but it's difficult to know where to start with this one. I'd have liked to of heard more from detectives on scene.

[@jenCo2020]

Totally covered it the best Ive heard on this case

[@josephlerma1601]

This entire case is heartbreaking, and chilling w out a doubt.. one very sad fact in particular that I've come across researching this case is that Lisanne had serious doubts about traveling out of the Netherlands. She'd been close to home all her life, so she was definitely concerned about traveling to places she wasn't familiar with. Her worst fears became a reality, and then some. Truly horrifyingly..😰

[@AMadScientist]

After researching about these girls, I was thinking about taking the trip and hiking that trail but when I found out that a tourist could NOT bring their pistol, there is no way in HELL I would go,

[@tamara6212]

Not only that, I've read recently that visitors(American, British, etc) have been robbed at gunpoint on that exact place. Fact.

[@mls617983]

You did a really great job on presenting this case. Thank you. The entire thing is bizarre. Being that they were only planning on hiking for a few hours why would they leave the trail? They would’ve of known there wasn’t time for any long excursions. The trail was a straight shot to where they were going and then back to where they started. To me the strangest and the scariest thing is that for 3 days they attempted to call Emergency Services without any luck. That soon into the hike what could’ve happened to veer off course? Did they leave the trail to go check something else out then one of them was injured? Did they get injured become confused then leave the trail because of that? Too many questions that’ll never be answered. The circumstances around their going missing and eventual death is so similar to many of the Missing 411 cases in many ways. It’s sad that their families don’t have answers as to what what happened to them while on the trail and exactly how they passed away.

[@robmack8342]

It is a pleasure to listen to your narration. Your vids are extremely well done and full of lots of info. Thank you for your hard work.

[@astraeanova4280]

It's crazy that they just sauntered of along that trail on their own in a S American country where all sorts of trouble waits for foreigners, if they'd listened to the locals they may have still been alive today.

[@tirokopita]

They went over the peak and onto trails that are not suitable for amateurs without a guide. (I've seen videos of experienced hikers on those trails fully equipped and some of those get into difficulties) They then got lost. Kris was fatally injured. Lisanne took the night photos to leave a story, then packed up their stuff into the backpack and left it somewhere safe to be found. She had been out there for ten days, she knew it was over. She succumed to the elements and the bodies were washed downstream.

[@Fernando-xd6sx]

Thanks!

[@cottoncandysoldier9045]

Those photos were the most haunting part of this investigation. I hope their families find peace.

[@cottoncandysoldier9045]

@LMP3 of course but having those visuals of their last moments had to be fuckin terrifying for their families. Those pictures stuck with me.

[@IBeMelissa]

Two attractive European girls traveling alone in a dense jungle of a foreign country...Nothing could possibly go wrong. 🙄

[@latergator4154]

IBeMelissa yup being naive can kill unfortunately we see this too often especially with European women, the world isn’t just some kind of little playground some might think it is.

[@paulabuck5976]

Besides being naive, is it lack of common sense too though? I k my parents would never have allowed me-even as a young adult-to do anything like that- just saying. (No, I’m not blaming their parents)

[@paulabuck5976]

IBeMelissa True

[@paulabuck5976]

Totenkopf kang Yes, very true

[@mls617983]

IBeMelissa of course not. Not a care in the world especially with a meticulously planned trip. I’m the type who plans for things to go wrong or to abruptly have to change plans for whatever reason. It’s dangerous for anyone male or female to go hiking in remote areas in foreign countries. If people are going to do it they need to get an a tour guide who has a lot of experience and knows the area well, go in a smaller group and never leave the group. Always stay together and don’t venture off the trail. When people are on vacation they’re having fun so their guard is down. This is a time when they should be on guard more than ever. They’re not in their element. They’re in a different country with strange surroundings, with people of a different culture and language. Recipe for disaster if they’re not paying attention. I’m certainly not saying this was the situation with these two girls because no one knows. It just happens far too often.

[@TS-rd7oy]

I love your channel. Thank you for the work that goes into this.

[@MissingVoidTV]

Thanks TS, and you're welcome - the channel is a labor of love

[@amirahmohamed7672]

The Dutchmen they had lunch with were strangers, so why did the family say "They would never get involved with strangers?" Parents u never know what your 21year olds would do out of the country. Sad sad story.

[@Integratedsful]

I think most young people do shit they never tell their parents when exploring their own life, its the same with a lot of stuff parents dont tell their kids... sure family members could think they know it all but ones your old enough to have your own space well you do what you want...

[@StefSchaap-r7e]

Well, so you are not even allowed to make new friends?They are all strangers at the beginning

[@ProudDad1976]

Before I go speculating I want to express my dearest sympathies to both families and all the people affected by this event I know that even being a searcher is hard on the mind and body. I feel the girls stopped being in control of the camera early in the hike, right as we see the end of the smiles, the first butt shot happens. I believe the girls where being marched down the path to some predetermined location and that a picture was taken of or too near to this location and that is why it was deleted. I'm sure Kris died first and sadly I believe the captures tried to keep Kris's bones by treating them but later stopped for some reason or they treated them in hopes to make them more visible and more easily found. Lisanne made a run for it at night using the cameras flash (somehow she was able to get the camera and phone back) at times to light the way, I believe the phone would have been used as a flashlight if the second girl had known the pin number. In the end, the second girl suffered great pain do to her foot and many other injures. She was recaptured and this is why all items ended up in the bag. The people who were involved did not want money nor electronics no there mission was much darker. There is a term called a willing victim, sadly these girls became willing victims because of being distraught about not being able to donate there time to the school and were not thinking as normal. I believe both girls are very street smart but one bad choice became a nightmare. I hope both girls did not suffer as much as it sounds, I know both girls are safe now but that does not change the sadness and despair the families must still feel and will for the rest of there lives. Everyone, Please stay safe and watch out for your fellow human, they may need your help or something entirely different.

[@christinagriffin9099]

Actually it makes sense, my theory is pretty close to this but I believe lisanne died first

[@abdullahal-shimri3091]

"I know both girls are safe now" they're dead, not safe.

[@mariamyan6674]

No,first i also thought like you,but both of them were alive,bcs their bodies were founded close to each other,and also the picture of hair was belonging to Kris,not Lissane

[@Alfakkin]

@@mariamyan6674 true but who knows if the pictures were genuine...made it was a scam to hide the truth

[@ameliel8792]

I tend to agree with you, I think they were being led somewhere and what with the language barrier and being out there alone, it's just a horriric situation where they wouldn't know what to do. I've been to the Caribbean as a young girl so I know how intimidating machismo culture in general can be but being out there alone and not speaking the language my heart breaks for them. I think they called the emergency number while walking alone with third party/group maybe?

[@michellesims6953]

I believe there was foul play....but I just don't know. My sincere prayers going out to the families.

[@MissingVoidTV]

I certainly think that is a reasonable conclusion, but without direct evidence it's difficult.

[@michellesims6953]

@To Release is To Resolve no reason to be rude, yet you are. What do you know? Were you there???

[@Papagiorgio153]

@@michellesims6953 Were you?

[@michellesims6953]

@@Papagiorgio153 no, but I'm not the one being a troll am I? I have the right to my opinion, without someone always being a rude troll. Get a life.

[@Beakie40k]

Too many things don’t add up in this case. No one really knows what happened to them and foul play was never ruled out

[@jenjay71]

Great work as always! Extremely bizzare and tragic!

[@MissingVoidTV]

Heya Jenjay, and yeah it was definitely on the more 'unusual' side of cases that we've covered here.

[@chardeemacdennis2993]

I'm so glad you covered this case. While it is possible for it all to be an accident, there are to many little things that don't add up. And I'm glad you brought them up. This case led me to the 411 mysteries

[@sonjiart2909]

my mistake was watching this before going to sleep last night..i got of the bed and turned on the light and slept with the lights on...those photos...!!! and if that wasnt enough my curiosity go the best of me and i had to read the vloq...wow!! that vloq is epic to say the least.. what a tragic experience for these women...great video..

[@BlackFox0911]

The dry and intact backpack *INSTANTLY* rules out the “lost in the jungle” scenario. Someone other than Kris and Lisanne had the backpack and then carefully placed it in an opportune spot after the fact

[@Croy617]

Tour guide

[@meghanmisaliar]

Not necessarily. Maybe someone found it.

[@gronz]

wrong @@meghanmisaliar

[@meghanmisaliar]

@@gronz Why? It's possible.

[@Hotchocolatewith2sugars]

This case is chilling & sinister. The camera that was found with the strange pictures seems like as if one of the girls was trying to find their way in the dark like u said Or scare something away with the flash maybe.

[@jermdogg1185]

There are 2 pictures that were deleted to" they couldn't recover.

[@stacitaylor1064]

Ruqayyahs Muva how scary...

[@jesusbeloved3953]

Two things that disturb me with the investigation; one is the numerous fingerprints found and seemingly not checked. The other is not being able to access the autopsy reports. It sounds as though someone wanted things hushed up; but why? Another well done video! Thanks for all your hard work! Anonymous.

[@richballer3375]

It has all the makings of a third party

[@AverageAmerican]

Yeah, whatever threat separated the girls from the dog, presumably. Something that doesn't hunt canines. Whatever it is, it's smarter than we are. It orchestrated the first discoveries. None of the remains were concealed. Like they wanted us to find them. Do you think whomever it is, targets small hiking parties in that area? What does "Don't go alone," mean, precisely? When spoken to two people who are not alone? And the name of the river they were found nearby, was it Serpent Seed Creek? Something like that. We're probably not getting all the details from authorities...

[@iluvcakes19]

@@AverageAmerican why would a 3rd party trail them so long only to kill them over numerous days yet allow them to make distress calls? Additionally the cash they had on hand was not taken.

[@AverageAmerican]

@@iluvcakes19 Well, we don't know for sure who made the calls and tampered with the phone. And it is hard to tell how long the girls suffered before being killed. The deaths had nothing to do with robbery. My guess is, the girls were close to something somebody doesn't want people to discover. And that it wasn't necessarily Humans who killed them.

[@elijahvalongo9528]

Not human

[@leeorshimhoni8949]

i trained dogs all my life. the fact that a dog was accompanying them, and its not thier dog, means only one thing: the dog owner/master was not far behind, stalking them.

[@leeorshimhoni8949]

they had seen the dog, but they didn't suspect that the owner of that dog was stalking them, until it was too late/too deep into the jungle.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

No photos show any dog.

[@chiaradiamontini459]

Hmmm...that's a good one...

[@richardsmit8305]

The dog was from a owner from a restaurant at the foot of the pianista

[@JD-kg3mx]

leeor shimhoni - that’s a great point. I wondered that myself. Some people do use their dogs in parks to meet others. It’s not too far fetched to theorize the same here.

[@behindthespotlight7983]

I’ve heard a lot of accounts of missing persons. This one is troubling on more levels than I can thumb-type in a comment section. The bras??? Were the incorrect PINs close to the actual PIN? Good guesses? Or random blunt hacks? A friend would try birthdate (s), pet names, boyfriends names , names backwards etc...A third party would likely be unaware of these things. The “flash pics”-my gut tells me one girl was incapacitated & the other was okay but freaked out. Any wilderness at night comes alive but jungles are insanely active. The flash may have been in response to jaguar growls or other perceived large predatory animal. Cats are nocturnal. BUT SOMEONE PLACED THE BAG. Who?? And if I could have one piece of evidence that police know and we do not: I think the bras tell more story than missing pics. Sometimes people delete a pic in the moment because it looks bad or the camera misfired. But bras do not detach from young ladies and walk into a backpack THAT WAS KEPT OUT OF ELEMENTS FOR WEEKS. I am irked right now. And if you’re reading this, so are you. Sleeping with a nightlight and I’m a grown-ass man! Foot note: this case is more complicated than the public knows. In this case in particular (10 years after Dutch tourist Natalie Holloway goes missing in Latin America) the authorities know A LOT more than they are letting on. There are pics that would fill in huge gaps., Hypothesis: a normal, albeit poorly planned day turned ugly due to wilderness shock and/or trail injury. The girls knew they were in trouble. They were somewhat cogent on day 2 &3 (turning off phones in between attempts). Again, how long , how many hours between the last correct PIN entry and the incorrect ones? My gut tells me one girl succumbed to an injury and the elements while a potentially injured partner tries to “care for” or keep vigil. Think, split open head and the other girl a severely broken leg. I like the fall hypothesis. This is where it gets creepy. The night of the “flash pics” a third party encounters the girls. The one with the head wound is either dead or comatose. This perceived “third party help” is actually someone without morales who takes advantage of the situation and abducts the living girl whose injuries are less severe. From this point the story could go 10,000 directions. But the covered up head wound pic? Police know that a critical component of their case would be compromised if we saw what they saw in that pic; not to even begin speculating on what the other pics reveal that police are keeping private. I think there are “flash pics” of a third party, Perhaps an indigenous man who doesn’t know how to delete pics or use technology? Police know an enormous percentage that we do not, My gut tells me my hypothesis is closer to correct than not. Injury, followed by several days alone. The red head dies from coma/ head trauma blood clot etc...One poor girl is left alone and freaked out. The night of the “flash pics” happens. THEN IT TURNS INTO A THIRD PARTY CRIMINAL INVOLVEMENT. Man , I am equally hooked and creeped out.

[@Vojkan2000]

The picture was deleted but you can easily undeleted them and that was what they tried after finding the camera but the picture was deleted from the computed(the file of the picture)and thats why there is a missing picture which they could not restore...The autorities are 100%involved or hiding somthing cos their official statemant was that the fall from a monkey bridge cause a death which was 2h walk after a first emergency call....I think the third party is involed and thats why they called emergency cos they couldnt badly injured themselfs to that point(I mean i dont know the road cos i havent been there and i would like to but after wathcing multiple stories about this i think there is nothing were they could baldy injured themselfs So i think at the end somone throw them in waterfall and thats why they have broken legs and they found the legs broken cos why would somone cut their legs like that i does not make sense....So bassically they did end up in the river but only at the end..I think someone had their phones(they lost their phone) and the 3rd party tried to acces but a 77 entries are a bit mad for somone who dont know the code..You try 77 entries only if you have spare time or somthing i dont know really...

[@lindaross4331]

Natalie Holloway wasn't Dutch, she was an American who was murdered in Aruba.

[@lindaross4331]

As for the bras in the backpack, if you're woman and hot and sweaty, the last thing you want to wear is a constrictive bra around your chest.

[@joshualester5154]

Yeah that’s true too. Girls would lose the bra after 20 mins of admitting defeat. Whether they were lost or inured. It’s just weird that everything ends up in the bag. Could have been left at the scene. Even then the stuff being placed in the bag is still too awkward and doesn’t seem like something the girls would do.

[@chrisyorke6175]

We know Lisanne suffered from asthma attacks, which would have easily immobilized her. She wouldn't have coped well with stress. I surmise the backpack was probably found by a local after the owners were far gone. But I would not assume its finder was a murderer.

[@GRZZ23]

Liked it before watching because I appreciate your work effort Sir. Thank you for all of your awesome videos! Much respect from AriZona!

[@missgibbonsx2376]

10:20 I think if the backpack was dry after 70 days of being out there and was not there the day prior, obviously someone put it there, probably whoever was responsible for their deaths. Why? IDK, some murderers have strange minds.

[@haileennevsmom09]

30,000 reward

[@JD-kg3mx]

Miss GibbonsX - the backpack is evidence. They brought it back like making an apology if not then the perpetrator(s), if we’re leaning toward foul play, could’ve simply disposed of it anywhere in the wilderness.

[@chrisyorke6175]

Backpack's discreet return by the finder was - plausibly - an act of contrition, once the tragedy became known. It need have nothing to do with the girls' deaths.

[@majorkoslo5594]

This person just kept that bag for their jollies…right.

[@garethbilton]

Brilliant! Love how you engage and really listen to comments and suggestions (the ones that are worth it!). Great job as always

[@MissingVoidTV]

Hey Gareth, I'm always on board for taking suggestions, some are often really interesting. Cheers mate 👍🏻

[@sarahf7931]

I read some about this story. You went into more detail about it than ive seen before. Thank you!!!!

[@montana7490]

I’ve read/watched several different stories on these girls. You did a fantastic job. I like the way you put your personal thoughts and questions of what happened into the incident. Do you think this could be a 411? It’s such a heartbreaking story- thoughts and prayers to the families. The photos are haunting and this entire story leaves one with sooo many questions!!

[@MissingVoidTV]

This is one of the stranger incidents I've covered on the channel, so do share your thoughts, and have a great weekend. Be safe Also, do have a look at my Patreon if you're at all interested in supporting the channel or having any of the neat little perks - patreon.com/topmysteries

[@shaokahn8567]

I am from the Netherlands and this was a huge newsstory back then. Truely mysterious

[@MissingVoidTV]

No it was just me Nikki

[@MissingVoidTV]

Haha! Yeah I can actually see what you're saying

[@JackyHeijmans]

Hi, if you enhance the picture of 23.11 min., you can see one of the girls down below in the dark. She is about in the middle of the picture on the right side. It is like the other girl tried to give her some light with the flashlight.

[@ptaylor81]

11:25 Maybe they ain't released information on the fingerprints because they are from a unknown lifeform 21:40 Could be the unknown life form was fascinated with the phone, not knowing what it was, or that they could possibly get help with it. Would explain the photos being edited, and lack of information on the fingerprints

[@dawnsindowski4801]

Expertly documented!👍your professional coverage is awesome. I love your reports ❤️ thanks mate!💜💜💜💜💜

[@MissingVoidTV]

No, thank you for the kind words. Cheers Dawn💜👍🏻👍🏻

[@crazycatladyoftullamore5176]

I guess the lesson to be learnt from this sad story is that when hiking in a strange country always listen to the locals and always have a knowledgeable guide to take you on your hike. I feel so sorry for the families of the girls who still have no idea what really happened. I hope and pray that the truth comes out very soon. Great video as always from your Aussie friend Ann xoxo 🇦🇺

[@Duskybriar]

The blog that is link in the description is the most comprehensive and thorough report of any case I have ever seen. It looks very much like the guide 'F' is involved and the police are withholding information and there are conflicting reports about the remains found. The guides behavior indicates his involvement and mirrors other cases where the perpetrator has inserted himself into the investigation and gets involved with the families. I haven't been able to find out who found the camera and had access to it before it was handed over for evidence. It would seem that there are photos missing that may have shown other people as it looks like the girls were not alone after the summit. Some of the photos are clearly edited, I put some of them into Gimp and it is clear that there is distortion around Lisanne's chest and arm where it looks like the perspective has been altered as the the program has auto anti-aliased the area. Also in another Kris's fingers look stretched and the pixels beside her are distorted in a warped line. Also there is some distortion in the photo of Kris where she is bent over and her arm is bent at an awkward angle with distorted pixels near the curve in her back. Also very strange is one of the bras that was found in the backpack was the same bra that Lisanne was wearing in the photos. It is improbable that she would have changed her bra willingly if she was in a distressed state. There is so much here that is wrong and I think it is unlikely that we will ever truly know what happened to these girls. They are not the only ones to go missing up there. I think the girls were intersected by someone or someones and subsequently murdered. The details of which I think we will never know. A very sad and disturbing story.

[@mjc8281]

For my money and maybe I have watched too much Death in Paradise... If the photos have been tampered with, it was done so to mess with the timeline and/or their location at the time, working backwards I would start by looking at who gained from them appearing to be on the trail that day and at that time. My feeling is that they where in trouble way before it would seem, maybe as far back as the whole school thing falling through

[@Alfakkin]

So true

[@DeliaLRuiz]

Start there.

[@suppiahperiasamy6248]

Yes I too felt that the school delaying their starting date was part of the plot.

[@nickyblue4866]

Bingo

[@rachel_v_k]

I remember hearing about this case somewhere before. It's one of the strangest I've ever heard! It's interesting that you mentioned that residents of the area also talk about the "Duende" luring people into the forest. There is obviously something to be afraid of! Thank you! Have a good night and a great day tomorrow! 😊💕💕💕

[@kanamichelle7404]

I notice that the bras found in the backpack look like the same ones in the photos of the girls. One bra is black with blue and pinkish pattern and the other girl seemed to be wearing a bra with dark straps. The black bra? Did someone keep their things as trophies, manipulate the camera images, and then later on deposit the bag where it would be found? That would explain the missing and/or photoshopped images, and the dry and pristine nature of the backpack. If those are the bras they left wearing, then why were they both found in the Backpack? I seriously doubt they would have removed them themselves. I suspect foul play.

[@bwilly4503]

Interesting theory!

[@martymchckn3914]

Another thing, why pack bras? I mean underwear are more important if you get wet... And the local said the backpack hadn't been there the day before...

[@martymchckn3914]

Cat. Wing I doubt it, ok let's just say you're correct, why would she fold both bras neatly and put both phones, pretty much everything back into the backpack.... That doesn't make sense to me. If I were hungry and thirsty not thinking straight at that point, let's just they they were trying to survive I wouldn't think ohh let me find both bras and put my phone back into the backpack... Also the lady said the backpack want there the day before.

[@martymchckn3914]

Cat. Wing Okay, I see what you mean, just thought it was weird that everything was nicely packed into the backpack.

[@ClarkyWarky]

What about the phosphate? The blue stained shoe? And the clean cut through the bones? And the bodies decomposing at different rates?

[@jeaniemarczniec7755]

The girls wanted to explore but given a warning by the locals and they ignored them, but they are dead now. Lesson for all the people who want to go out and be adventurish go with a few people, heed warnings or you all could end up dead or never found again. People may think they know everything and it will be okay, but there are many who have the arrogant attitude and end up missing or dead. Prayers to the families of the 2 girls.

[@CoinsAndCapsaicin]

Interesting how the small details change in some of the other channels. Due to your stringent research, I believe this channel over all others.

[@mayflores5931]

Many interesting and bizarre points throughout this case. It almost sounds like so many missing 411 cases. Still very tragic. Great video and we appreciate your hard work and dedication to these videos!⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@MissingVoidTV]

Thank you very much May, and yes I agree there are aspects reminiscent of the Missing 411

[@aufowithwificoverage3328]

Your the third channel I’m subscribed too that talks about this case Nice But sad for the case itself tho

[@CliftonPhotographer]

Did nobody ever run an undelete program on the memory? Does that memory card still exist? I've recovered memory cards for people before, saving them gigabytes of photos from being lost so I'm sure an expert could do it!

[@shayalq9194]

Clifton Photographer we wish

[@drahsid2]

Chances are that the following photo wrote over the data that once was said photo. Recovering it would be very complicated.

[@inactiveaccount4798]

dutch experts tried, but it had been deleted using a computer so completely that they couldn't get it back :/

[@CliftonPhotographer]

@@inactiveaccount4798 I wonder if they tried it now with more comprehensive programs if the results would be better.

[@inactiveaccount4798]

@@CliftonPhotographer perhaps? as far as I'm aware, they tried pretty extensively, but whoever deleted the photo REALLY wanted it gone. usually you can find even 10 or 20% of the remains of the photo, right? but I think they found no trace whatsoever

[@genacrooker9768]

I really liked the video. I have begun a real liking to these type of videos. And you do the very best ones that I have listened to. You seem to do a more thorough job than the others. Thank you so much. Please keep up the good work. ♥️😊

[@robinfotenos3770]

If one of them had an iPhone why was the recording app not used? You don’t need cell service to use it and it could’ve recorded what was going on.

[@hobi1kenobi112]

A really bizarre story on the surface that may have a simple explanation: they ran into a drug gang who used the forest as a hideout and supply route? I think you can sadly imagine the rest, if so. It might explain local warnings. It's also really easy to go downhill (health-wise) if you have an asthma attack and run out of inhaler. The phosphates in Kris' bones might be specific to the area of the town/city she has lived in or she may have a higher amount in her bones naturally. I don't know how much was found but is it possible that some people are genetically predisposed to higher quantities of certain elements in their bodies than others?

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[@NataliaF16]

there are a lot of witnesses in this case who tell different stories. we cannot be certain even about the time when the girls took the taxi to the Pianista trail. taxi driver drowned some time after the disappearance. tour guide is a suspicious guy as well. he was allegedly the first one to enter their room after they went missing. I am sure that photos have been manipulated, same as elevator footage in Lisa Lam's case and hotel security footage in Kenneka Jenkins's case. evidence seems to be manipulated a lot in those stories with high publicity. and, moreover, can we be certain that cell phone history of the girls has not been manipulated as well?

[@Watchout1010]

Manipulate photos because?they could be erased,the phone destroyed-manipulate pictures Of THEMSELVES?

[@Lando00100]

Why is there no pictures of the dog? Even if the dog wasn't with them the hole time, they were documenting key points on the trail it seems odd not to include the the dog in there travels. Limited pictures released to public i know but why exclude dog?

[@Sandoz-tq7qj]

It could well be Kris already died on April 1 afternoon due to a bad accident and Lisanne took Kris phone to dial 112 . Both phones were used on that day does not necessarily mean that both women were still alive .

[@stevenxuereb1604]

its hard to believe that in the middle of a panama rainforest with so many animals they claim there was no sign of animals eating the corpses despite the time their remains were left there.

[@stacybridgeford2829]

Agreed. I'd like to know more about that finding.

[@haaku1234]

I've been listening to these to fall asleep for a few weeks, and none of them have scared me like this did. Normally I find these fascinating, but this one put me so on edge for some reason. You have no idea how paranoid I got when I heard a sound before I placed it as my roommate walking to the bathroom 😂 I do wonder, though, what the incorrect pins were. If they were close or way off-base. If someone possibly typed a message that way? Which would be incredibly weird, but who knows.

[@MGDownUnder]

No one did this to them. These 2 girls caused their own deaths. They did a jungle trek spontaneously without a plan, did not wear appropriate clothing, did not bring enough water and food. Made a fatal decision to continue hiking past the summit. Called for help when they got caught in the jungle at dusk and had to stay there overnight but made a fatal decision to continue walking the next morning when fog hit and walked further and further away. One of them got injured, Kris broke her pelvis fell into a ravine and her best friend went after her but injured her foot on the way down. They couldn't escape and died of hunger, hypothermia, shock. Their dead bodies got swept by flash floods. If they had just stayed at the spot of their first call for help they would have been found the next day or 2 days later. Don't blame this on any cartel or indigenous people. Their multiple poor decision making proved fatal. They didn't respect the jungle and it's dangers.

[@ketugrahagraha3673]

This is all true. But how about the backpack?

[@chelamcguire]

As always, great footage, investigation and narration. Love your presentations.

[@jessicaishere8416]

I always love your videos.. you have such the perfect voice to do ~ your voice overs..😘💝

[@dianneD27]

Excellent video 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 It’s sadly the world we live in that you just cannot put yourself in such a dangerous position ....

[@cheweyweather]

You have a voice for stories. I can listen to you all day. Thank you

[@MissingVoidTV]

Thank you very much Charly 👍🏻

[@yuklz247]

This is the creepiest video you've done so far, and the most interesting along with the one where the man was found later and said he didn't know why he took off his shoes and dumped his phone and flashlight.. I think something paranormal is in the woods that confuses people and makes them lose their way and then stalks them. Even in the other video the locals knew what was happening and got a shaman to undo this and only after that the man was found. As sad as this case is, I'm fascinated by the way you cover these stories, really really good job done. I will say this though, even though I believe in something paranormal in the woods, I think this one had some manipulation by a 3rd person. I feel like someone caught up to them and was trying to take pictures of them to show they were ok but their expressions say otherwise. This person could be trying to access the phone hence the wrong pin. Just very very unsettling overall, I watch missing 411 videos all the time but this one gave me the chills. Poor girls, I wish there was a way they could have been saved :(

[@christlegreen9458]

yuklz ...correct.

[@BigBodyBiggolo]

The woods are a special place. I am going to grow my own forest somewhere as soon as i can, just start with a bunch of resistant trees and when they create a barrier from winds and cast a shade go for small shrubs and just let it go from there and keep on doing that in eroded lands untill i have a forest bigger than the country i come from. I wonder what life forms will find a home in that forest, and how i would reflect on those entering that do not find a home there.

[@tara2262]

Can you tell me the name of that other vid please?

[@yuklz247]

@@tara2262 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lavRoqOMrduHoZo

[@tara2262]

@@yuklz247 thanks so much

[@francogran9358]

there are many local gangs in panama, if the trail was safe you should put cctv camera if this good for tourist, if not safe for tourist it means this trail is not safe

[@user-wg6ik1wi6s]

It was totally the creepy tour guide stalking them.

[@jamielauro2623]

Without a doubt!!!

[@acb5245]

@@jamielauro2623 What I read was that a gang of (5) guys did this. Osman Valenzuela, Jose-Manuel Murgas, Henry Eliezer Conzalez, (son of tour guide Feliciano Gonzales), Efrain Manuel Rios Gonzales (bijnaam Adonis, the rapist and murderer en friend from Henry). He raped and murdered Nuris Esther Castrellón a 50 year old lady. In 2018 at a periode of 6 months 22 woman where raped and murdered there. The Panama city police did interrogate (the hard way?) these guys and not long after these guys are murdered. Just like the 34 year old taxi driver Leonardo Arturo Gonzalez who drop of Kris and Lisanne at the beginning of the trail. On the cell phone from one of the gang member was a picture (total 2) with two guys and two girls swimming at a place (Caldera area) near the trail. They say it is Kris and Lisanne on the photo’s. But you have to look well to see it. I think they are on the picture. Also Lee Zeltzer found some snuff pictures showed up at Darknet: two girls on the ground surrounded by a tribe and Kris her face heavily beaten. Lee also died short after he finds out these pictures. (He knew to much??). Feliciano Gonzales is definately involved.

[@jamielauro2623]

@@acb5245 wow that was a that was very detailed are you a local of Panama 🇵🇦 that saw what happened? I know you said 5 guys u know their names and stuff I never heard of so that’s great to know I just wish to seek something of The truth of what happened to these two girls because I don’t think anyone did ~so thank you for that

[@nickyblue4866]

@@acb5245 is that photo from the dark web available online... i wanna see

[@acb5245]

@@nickyblue4866 I dont know.

[@OomaGooma]

This is such a strange, bizarre case of missing people.