The Strange Shooting of Alex Pennig | Full Episode + Post Mortem

[@PoKaySarina]

You punched the wall. You punched the guy. But it’s not “in your character”. This whole case is unsettling. They all seem sketchy in their own way.

[@kristinholcomb5817]

💯

[@Savantace]

Absolutely right. Shane most definitely has severe anger issues; he's got a really bad temper, plain and simple, along with limited impulse control, and was probably hell to handle for any length of time.

[@collydub1987]

Came here to say exactly the same thing

[@mwahha6965]

Basically yes

[@scorbunny7737]

Exactly what I was thinking. His "it's not in my character" comment is just not based in reality. The holes in the wall were from HIS fists, then using those same fists again while instinctively punching Matthew in the face...and this is after only 4 months of him (Shane) & Alex dating?!? He was showing his true colors to Alex VERY early on, the red flags were definitely there. Plus...bruh, she was SCARED of you! & enough so that she had told OTHERS that she was scared of you! She's freaking SCARED of you after only 4 months of dating! Usually the first 6 months to a year people are still in that "honeymoon" stage. I also find it quite convenient that he just happened to lose his phone the very night that she was m******d. So the authorities never even bothered to check his phone even after he eventually "found it"? Just to maybe even check & see if there actually WERE any angry or threatening texts sent back & forth between him & Alex...or to check the times of their last communication?! For him to have been dismissed so early in the investigation seems crazy to me. The victim's current partner is ALWAYS considered to be at the very least, a person of interest...as they should be until they can be completely ruled out.

[@kellyfinleybrown9313]

Listen, I have been an RN for 38 years. I would have never stopped to wash my hands in this situation. I would have called 911 immediately and then went back to caring for her. He is not telling the truth about anything.

[@damienjstepick]

You’ve been an RN for 38 years. You’ve seen things most of us will never see. You’ve experienced things most of us never would. You have the ability to handle situations most of us couldn’t. The average person wouldn’t know what to do if blood was flowing out of someone’s neck, but you would. Most people wouldn’t know how to even give CPR but you would. Your reaction is 38 years of experience. The rest of us is whatever we’ve seen on TV and KZbin, a CPR class we took in high school and whatever our natural instinct of fight and fight happens to be. Not that I don’t agree it’s weird. He washed his hands, but obviously he didn’t call them immediately cause he panicked. The question is did he panic because he was the only person with her and he didn’t think the police would believe him or did he panic because he shot her? When the police tell me the only way a mechanism from the door can end up under her neck is if it got there before she went down I have a hard time now siding with them because that doesn’t make sense. That piece could have ricocheted off a wall, could’ve been kicked when he came in and then ricocheted off of the toilet or the tub and when he picks her head up to try and stop the bleeding it ends up getting knocked underneath her or several other ways I can come up with. When police tell me this is the only way possible I start to question whether or not they’re being honest with me. Sadly, I worked in news media, TV, film and with politicians so I have trust issues. Edit: yes, he was a nurse, but there’s no blood on him. And the door shielded him? HOW? How do you shoot someone in the side of the head without looking? How does your arm or hand not get blood on it at all? He never should’ve moved the gun. She was on tons of meds, admitted to mental struggles and had attempted suicide before. I didn’t know he was medicating her, but it doesn’t change her state of mind. And my primary care took over pain medication after I had a surgery and needed more than two days worth. This is a weird and difficult puzzle, but I learned working in media trusting what you’re told and see needs more questioning than instinct.

[@kellyfinleybrown9313]

@damienjstepick All I can say to your response Damien is Wow.

[@kathygus]

Don't forget, he described the way she shot herself and then later he said he had no idea what happened because the door was closed. He's guilty as hell.

[@damienjstepick]

@ that’s a weak response. Explain it. Subjective opinions are easy to spout, but what about my comment was off? I think someone with almost 40 years of experience will handle a situation different than someone with a lot less. Even if he is a nurse practitioner. When you throw a motion in the mix, it changes the way people react. I’ve been held up at gunpoint four times, have you? The way I felt the first time was very different from the fourth time. I grew up in a rough part of New York and that was just life. I don’t think they proved the guy guilty, though if I were to give my personal opinion, I’d say he’s probably guilty. Doesn’t change anything I said. So tell me, wow about what? That’s a really weak response. I enjoyed debate but despise lethargic retorts.

[@barbaraschafer6808]

@@damienjstepick it’s strange to me that they can’t get in her phone. In this day and time with technology, I find that hard to believe.

[@BusyMagnaBee]

He was wearing jeans in the lobby video, but wearing shorts when the police arrived. It’s hard to tell if the shirt he’s wearing is the same. Wonder what she was wearing? Why did he change his clothes?

[@Ahnishinabe]

This is a good point. Also how is it he has a change of clothes at her apartment anyway? Yes, to me this is the one suspicious thing. The other stuff is pure speculation.

[@-EricaCartman]

Excellent observation!!!

[@aliyahtownsend5852]

I had to rewatch this because I thought the same thing! In the lobby video he had on jeans and a hoodie but in the body cam he had on shorts… also why did he have a suitcase?! If he was just going to protect/ check on his friend? Way too many questions still unanswered.

[@funtyes1970]

how can change his clothes this is her apartment right? saying he did change his clothes I'm sure cops would find them.

[@Jesusandbible]

Wow! Yeah!

[@hrmtty]

The "friend" was obviously guilty, but the boyfriend was a piece of work himself. Admits he punched a hole in the wall during a fight but says the fight wasn't violent, "just a normal fight like any married couple would have". Also admits to punching another dude on a separate occasion and says that it was out of character? Um, I think you have demonstrated that is *exactly* what your character is.

[@marshapieroni6677]

Yes, I agree

[@rebecca_jusrebecca]

My Exact thoughts also. She needed help first and then she would have found the strength to drop both those losers.

[@AlexandraUtschig]

Exactly what I was thinking!

[@clareshaughnessy2745]

Yeah, I didn’t like that AND he punched the other guy seemingly without even knowing who he was. I’ve been married twice for a long time each and never saw either of them ever punch anything. It would have been a massive red flag to me. Punch a wall after going out four/five months?? What would he be doing after four/five years?

[@stevetrivago]

@@clareshaughnessy2745oh stop.. lol.. you live a sheltered life.. two failed marriages? That in itself is very telling

[@JanesDough855]

Matt was such a "great guy" that he spent time cheating on his wife and children.

[@JordanEmede_376]

Cheating on his children 😂 just sounds weird af

[@Lara-xc1mf]

What an unsatisfying story. No real answers just more questions and not just one victim but many.

[@Amontillado72]

Imo this case was clear from beginning...Ecker's wife getting divorced says it all as well

[@sonyagraske376]

Plus, 48 hrs. Has already shown this yrs. Back.

[@kathygus]

When he was wailing in the hallway there were zero tears.

[@tanja3693]

True. He was also covering up his face with his hands trying to hide the fact that his crying was fake

[@agreyone76]

Why was he wearing different clothes from the security video?

[@sunflowerz54]

Jealousy is a strong emotion!!

[@MomCatMeows]

Prescribing a friend/romantic partner meds to treat mental health challenges is unethical and immoral. Not to mention, you're a father of 4 young children, you should be at home with your wife!

[@MomCatMeows]

Also, this guy is as dramatic and histrionic as Alex Murdaugh! 🙄

[@gasmith7486]

Yup!! He skips work and drives 3 hours for HER when he has a family to support?

[@MomCatMeows]

@@InLieuTube 😆

[@strangevisions5162]

she was using him for money and drugs. is that ethical?

[@MomCatMeows]

@ No, it's not!

[@EuniceNtombifuthiDlamini]

Mathew was married yet he goes after people's relationship that was insane

[@qubaliclife4666]

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23

[@nadogrl]

He had 4 kids!🤯

[@katlenertz4924]

And the cherry on top is that HIS parents blamed HER because he would never cheat. I cannot find a single reason as to why parents will defend to no end that he is innocent and that she definitely took her own life. It disgusts me

[@thomaslance5428]

​@@qubaliclife4666Take it to church lol

[@jenjenjinger]

He got tired of being in the friend zone

[@qubaliclife4666]

Stay faithful to your spouse.

[@jacquiosborn3376]

Not even half way through but how did he see her hold the gun if he had to kick the door in after she 'shot herself'?

[@staceyshaffer180]

They said That he said she held the gun to her head as she backed into the bathroom.

[@kaj73]

Good question.

[@DallasJustin]

@@kaj73he said she was holding the gun to her head as she backed into the bathroom and then slammed the door shut

[@Hope4All1968]

He did kick the door in, a piece was found under her & that’s how they knew he murdered her.

[@HapticFrequencies]

The fact that he had NO gunshot residue on him is extremely strange if he was truly the shooter...and even washing ones hands doesn't remove all residue, b/c it can be found heavily on the entire shooting arm, & clothes. Apparently he had no gunshot residue on any of his clothes? Bare legs? Even if shielded partially by the door, it's gonna be on him SOMEWHERE IF he shot the gun...this is very strange...

[@HogieBear2468]

From a personal opinion (and going by the bodycam footage shown in this episode): Comparing Shane and Matthews' reactions to me said a lot. You see Shane with a red face and actual tears coming down his face. Matthew covers his face with his hands in a big percentage of the footage. When his face isn't covered, you don't see any tears. A lot of body language experts would say that was a strong indication of deception.

[@Cathy-f6m]

Dream On!!

[@HogieBear2468]

I thank you. 🤟

[@jennifertashik298]

Yeah tears from the guilt

[@HogieBear2468]

Oklee-doklee.

[@delenepillay9500]

Her parents knew she had mental health problems. Why did they not assist her when she was broke and unemployed? Messaging your daughter is not the same as calling or face timming her. In death people remember everything good of the deceased. Alex was unsteady on her feet in the lobby. I don't believe Micheal Eckard is guilty.

[@gasmith7486]

Matthew was on his way to work and then skips work because she called him saying that she was stressed or whatever. Please 🙄 WHO skips work and drives 3 hours over an unstable person?

[@SmikeyDeeson]

A desperate dude dying to get laid, perhaps? That's what I'm thinking. Of course, which is why he cleaned up his story.

[@Verawnique]

Someone who is completely desperate and not over his ex (ex-affair).

[@77Scarlet]

What husband pays another woman’s bills ?

[@tabithafletcher1513]

I believe that he wanted to keep her strung along, he wanted to have everything on his terms and she was vulnerable with addiction and mental health and he wanted her co-dependent on him, when he thought that she may move on with someone else and eventually get over him, his ego couldn’t accept that. I have dated a person that would rather me be dead than be with someone else, even if he was constantly with other people. The psyche and ego of someone with these tendencies, possibly narcissistic are really irrational and it’s a shame that she got caught up in this situation, and I think he exploited the fact that she had tried to commit suicide before. So sad and tragic.

[@Missliaz]

So did that guy leave you alone at the end and how are u doing after that kind of abuse?

[@tabithafletcher1513]

@ I’m doing ok now, thank you for asking. It all came to a huge crescendo and I did get away and was able to cut all contact, changing my number and deleting the only social media I used which was Facebook. It was a lot that happened that is too much to get into, but unfortunately he got away with everything he did and I did relocate to another place. My children and I are safe and are healing and have a really good life now, but it did chill me to the core the lengths and lack of humanity and manipulation that some people are capable of. I hope cases like this help people recognize behaviors and can ultimately save lives, we all need to be careful out here in the world, and it’s scary to know these types of people exist and hurt vulnerable people 😔

[@brendaestrada1782]

I just dont understand how a man can have a gorgeous, smart and loving woman and still cheat on them!

[@SmikeyDeeson]

@@brendaestrada1782 I don't understand what the Japanese did in Nanking and Manila; however, I bet the worst of it was done by the prisoners released during economic collapse. Sound familiar?

[@fyourfeelings3946]

@@tabithafletcher1513 I'm sorry about your situation. I would hope your user name is not your actual name. I was in a similar situation and go to great lengths to hide my identity. Yeah there are still ways to find out with the internet now but I surely wouldnt make it easier for the abuser to find you. Just something to think about. Not trying to attack, just concerned

[@hoorayitsjackie6166]

19:05 that hairdo should also be sentenced to prison

[@billp4]

They all seem a little nutty.

[@herona70]

You made my day. 😂

[@ninabeana97]

Life in jail 😂

[@katwil89]

Her daughter has the same hairdo. 😳

[@marlissfern2710]

Yessssss that’s crazy hair. Not flattering. 🫣

[@vzwson4995]

8:15 "And then I washed my hands" Yea, he's guilty af.

[@Mark-pz9xw]

So many red flags! Washing his hands, Alex apparently wanted protection but suddenly kills herself, no tears, the dried blood on the sink........and I'm only 12 minutes in!

[@Iera_Thaumaturgy]

@@Mark-pz9xwand also the sink was dry

[@darkcrimechronicless]

The investigation into Alex Pennig's shooting raises so many questions. Truly a captivating yet tragic story.

[@Annie-ZA]

His over-exaggerated ACTING in the passage outside her apartment, was an IMMEDIATE and INSTANT GIVE-AWAY of his GUILT! From that moment onwards, he simply continued to bury himself. He ought to have gotten LIFE, and not merely 30 years IMHO.

[@JordanEmede_376]

"Then I washed my hands" also said in the hallway.

[@Annie-ZA]

@@JordanEmede_376 That too! GUILTY as hell, but he got caught!

[@helmetjt]

Super unexpected but overwhelming joy to see "Your very own board certified Criminal Defense Attorney Bruce Rivers!!!" So so sorry about the loss of the content genius, Michael Rivers! You will be missed and I hope Bruce can return and can overcome so much tragedy he has endured.

[@myrasmama]

I saw a post on KZbin where he said will be returning.

[@TAGMZs63]

I'm so sorry for Bruce. Rest in peace Michael 🙏🕊️

[@SpiritGirlSF]

Anyone else finding the intro music irritates your brain like some odd frequency meant to make you feel extremely tense? Like a fly rubbing its feet together across a metal spider web.

[@gamingweasel4633]

Yes, I do not like it at all.

[@paLeevang]

😂😂😂 I thought I was the only one lol I usually fast forward it lol

[@russianaloha4576]

​@paLeevang Same! I always FF at the beginning of this show. I like the analogy the original commenter made, Fly rubbing it's feet together across a metal spiderweb. Lol Sad story, this girl had so much life ahead of her 😭

[@aaz148a]

Nope! fine by me, all concentrated on the story

[@lmarieschu2370]

I am obsessed with the intro music. I love it!

[@jamessherosick2747]

In most of these stories, the parents always say, "Not my little Johnny" being a parent of 2 adult children formerly 3, I know that is delusional. They are never 100% innocent. Most of the time, they are at least half responsible for whatever trouble they are involved in.

[@SmikeyDeeson]

Therefore, you're also admitting that you are at least half responsible for their behavior and acts? Or, did you defend yourself to them when they were children, instilling in them that you were perfect? Sometimes, it's easier to convince myself I did the right thing; hell, I'd even incorporate my friends and family to help; until, I finally grew up; I mean, how was I supposed to learn anything, or remember anything, thus realizing anything new and important going on in that fashion and to that degree. It is actually better to admit mistakes and change, than to try to spin history like every media source out there in order to control others and MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. How does one know the best way to go about things without having reviewed history, the one normally documented by predecessors who had a stake in the game. Fine! But, now they are dead! Oh, it's still about economics, but since the majority of the population are unaware of it, let's just continue. Okay. Sorry, I'm just thinking to myself, primarily. Never mind.

[@jamessherosick2747]

@大爸爸的蝴蝶谷 I suppose I am/was responsible in certain cases, the point being that nobody is 100% clean the way that they are portrayed in many true crime stories.

[@Joni-ux5rf]

You are 💯 correct! My son was in trouble with the law a lot in his youth and so many moms would say not my little boy or little girl ! I’d say what did he do now 🤦‍♀️ This girl had issues I’m pretty sure she shot herself

[@Warrior-In-the-Garden]

No blood on clothes but he was trying to apply pressure to a profusely bleeding wound and would have to have reached over her to do so.

[@laurenmay2098]

Such a liar. He washed his hands, but his clothes were way too clean. His crying looks fake.

[@kaitlyn2st]

@@laurenmay2098 Right, soon as he said he applied pressure to her wound and washed his hands🚩 He was putting on a show. Sickening.

[@laurenmay2098]

@kaitlyn2st crying without tears, rubbing his eyes, it is ridiculous.

[@agathaleon9826]

He most surely changed his clothes

[@marilynzawojski1992]

@@agathaleon9826didn’t they look in his suitcase? Maybe she threatened to tell of his scripts if he didn’t come? He probably knew if she did tell of his giving scripts he’d lose his NP license and has 4 kids.

[@TASmith-ou3is]

Just because they didn't know the password to Alex's phone, they couldn't know what her texts were about? Can't they supeona that information from the cellular phone company?

[@aquilafhionnlaigh4490]

E2EE most likely

[@domoniquepaxson2985]

Sounds fishy to me

[@domoniquepaxson2985]

And THAT is evidence not looking for tears and how he responds to grief

[@reygarcia4538]

BS they have experts that can hack the damn phone 😒

[@LoriTafazoli]

He may have done it but for me too many questions to find him guilty.

[@TheBandit7613]

I agree with you. To send somebody to jail for life, I need more than just cops speculation. Reasonable doubt is a very high bar. However if you look at these comments, these people are scary. It's why there's so many innocent people in prison.

[@jaysteve4442]

Why would she take the other guy to the bar her current boyfriend was???? It’s like she wanted a confrontation. I’m sure there were literally hundreds of other bars she could’ve recommended.

[@SmikeyDeeson]

Her present boyfriend didn't want to move in with her. He probably figured he'd be paying the entire rent. Her friend and former lover really did prescribe a lot of drugs that specifically state something akin to "DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL WHILE TAKING THIS DRUG," yet he let's her drink so he could get her into the sack. This show didn't go into HALF of what was going on there, thus leaving many people confused.

[@-EricaCartman]

She may not have known he was going to be there. He allegedly lost his phone the day before.

[@jaysteve4442]

@ yeah, maybe. But more than likely that’s a bad he frequented & she knew that. Maybe they went there together. Either way, if out with a new guy while in a relationship, you should go out of your way to not run into the other person. I think she wanted to make him jealous. Still, she didn’t deserve what happened, of course. At all.

[@larryyouguessame6078]

Grandparents should have visitation rights🙄🤦‍♂️

[@dhatgirldonna]

They upheld their son cheating i understand the ex wife's feeling.

[@samanthamorris8368]

I am left-handed, but I perform many tasks in my daily life using my right hand. For example, I hold a handgun with my right hand and place my left hand over my right to brace and stabilize the firearm. I throw a ball with my right hand or both hands. I turn a cartwheel with my right hand touching the ground first. I can play golf with my right or left-handed golf clubs and do pretty well with both. I can also write with my right hand but it is slightly messy.

[@chrispankey4640]

It’s called being left handed but right side dominate. I’m left handed and do most hing right handed.

[@staceyshaffer180]

I’m right handed but I golf, bat and shoot pool left handed. My parents and teachers (back in the 1960’s) always had me use my right hand but it was more natural for me to use my left. So I believe it’s possible she used her left hand.

[@irenehaasmusic]

I'm right handed, but do many tasks exclusively with my left hand.

[@indianikitlathon8095]

I write with my right, but play guitar, count money, and drive with my left

[@Cathy-f6m]

@@chrispankey4640. It’s called ambidextrous. If what you stated about yourself is true, you should know this.

[@pamelaarista112]

"then I washed my hands, that's why I don't have anything on my hands" nah he lying the fact he's emphasizing on that it's him trying to not seem guilty

[@gingin169]

I’m right handed and shoot left handed! You can’t assume you know what or how someone uses their dominant hand. People are different!

[@timgallagher9229]

No but you can say with the majority will likely do. There's a difference between something being absolute in something being predominantly common

[@thomas2much601]

She didn’t like guns and besides he said he handled that gun and then put it back on her body and yet his DNA and fingerprints were not on that gun, it was wiped clean, do you think an innocent person would do such a thing unless they were guilty?

[@justinejustice_league1857]

That's what I was thinking. I'm left-handed but swing righty

[@Ron19565]

This feels like a re-upload

[@ChristinaBailey2000]

Definitely is

[@EASJR1991]

It was. But this video was different because they added another segment. The original is still on the channel.

[@Bearlyontime]

And?

[@justinejustice_league1857]

It is...

[@bigratamata]

I would have liked her boyfriend more if he had said yes I'm a pos boyfriend, I'm violent I'm irascible but I was at home and I had nothing to do with Alexs death. Because his little speech Im a good boyfriend I wanna marry her, this doesnt add up to the fact that he punches walls, he punches men etc etc and its suspicious to me his phone was gone the same evening. So maybe the truth is better.

[@SmikeyDeeson]

Her parents seem strict. Evidently, she had to rely on two creeps instead.

[@StopCensorship]

Are you ok? Let’s be honest she was a pos too! She was a drug add!ct, cheating on her boyfriend, knowingly and willfully dating and sleeping with a married man. If we are going to call HIM out let’s call them BOTH out!

[@dianacartagena5676]

Did they really prove he did it. I’m not fully convinced.

[@17thknight]

They didn't prove anything. It's just as possible either way and she has a history of attempts.

[@staceyshaffer180]

I have reasonable doubt big time. They didn’t prove their case.

[@strangevisions5162]

@@InLieuTube comments on youtube videos should ONLY reference what's in the video. those are the rules.

[@StopCensorship]

He is guilty beyond measure!!

[@huajie666liu8]

I don't know the real truth in this episode.

[@SmikeyDeeson]

I didn't either, until I typed back to others who commented. It's a lot more clear now.

[@johnbernard450]

The one thing I'm sure of is that Matthew is a terrible liar. The other give away was that when he left the building to supposedly get his "ear buds," he was actually retrieving his weapon, which is why it took so long. Another issue was that the gun shot residue found on her left hand I believe was a result of her putting up left hand to shield herself after he broke the door open and pointed the gun at her. The bottom line is that Alex was playing with fire by getting involved with a married man with kids, and be on four antidepressants, plus three time the legal limit of alcohol was the perfect storm when all the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up to produce a deadly deadly result. Finally, it is actually "three" families who are grieving a loss because you left out Matthew's wife and four kids.

[@aliciamarcel3620]

I feel bad for the grandparents. They were not the one who killed her. They should not be punished as well.

[@vriskaxtereziotp]

If my husband had cheated on my and killed his affair partner an his parent insist he did nothing wrong I wouldnt let them near my kids either. Theyre not reliable, and cant be trusted to not feed the kids lies.

[@ktube4848]

Hes lying no one is going to was their hands after trying to save a loved one. They would be giving cpr something until help arrives.

[@tanja3693]

exactly! especially a nurse. You immediately call 911 and then stay with the person in order to try to save their life! One doesn't go around trying to hide the gun, wash their hands and change clothes. An innocent person isn't afraid others will see him as the killer

[@heather-almanza]

Two corners said death undetermined. I would not have sent him to jail.

[@valberlin9239]

These types of dudes who always wanna be the "savior." Not only having an affair, but getting territorial over the side chick with another dude. I wonder what could go wrong?!? Not condoning having an affair, but if you are having one, why broadcast it so openly? Bar fight, really? It's a side piece for a reason. It means, keep everything to the side. I mean, what was the end goal for Matthew anyway, since he had a wife and 4 kids? Smart.

[@pamelajohnson7939]

I don’t believe him but he didn’t engage in a bar fight- the boyfriend punched him

[@alphasylpheed3861]

"I mean, what was the end goal for Matthew anyway, since he had a wife and 4 kids?" Well...the post-mortem says that Matty put upwards of $20,000 into maintaining her lifestyle. So I can't say what the "end goal" was but he found something within her worthy of that amount of support.

[@Happy-go-l]

I don’t know if justice is served this time 😢

[@crystal333]

I agree.. I also feel like the door evidence, so they call it, was a little bit contradictory. They say that he blocked the Blood by shooting her behind the door, yet if the door had been closed, the legs would have been on the other side of the door, so which is it? Was the door closed, or was the door not closed?

[@LucilleBluth420]

It wasn't.

[@dWRLD999x]

Bruce Rivers.. he’s the criminal lawyer!!!! (RIP MICHAEL😭❤️)

[@pavlvs_maximvs]

Only watched 10 mins and all I saw was someone acting. Fake tears, weird story told without any emotion. I would bet he is guilty. Now I will continue watching and see if my gut feeling is right. Edit: I watched the whole episode and there are too many open questions and the investigation seems really badly done. She was wasted and with drugs in her system, had attempted suicide, had manipulated him to get pills, and had gunpowder residue in her hands. I don’t like the guy but you should only use evidence and there is nothing conclusive. Even two forensic examiners ruled the death as “undetermined”. “In dubio pro reo” is a basic principle in justice. He should be free (for now) and, also, wtf do his parents have to do with all this not to be allowed to see their grandkids? A few episodes back, a woman acknowledges she shot her husband with a Glock (with 3 patented safety mechanisms to avoid accidental shootings), the evidence was there, but she said it was “by accident” and she was not charged and let go (?). 9 years later (?) the case is re opened, she is found guilty. The more episodes I watch, the happier I am not to live in the US. Their police, criminal and justice system is an absolute joke.

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

I’m in the UK and it’s not much better. Our police allow grape gangs to attack little girls while they arrest people for X posts!!

[@CatskillsGrrl]

Why weren’t their texts in the cloud of the provider?

[@alphasylpheed3861]

end-to-end encryption. default setting with some services. be sure and have it if you want to commit a crime...or just leave behind a mystery.

[@nadogrl]

@@alphasylpheed3861😂

[@ryann.9636]

Bruce Rivers!! The Criminal Lawyer

[@WVgrl59]

That's right! It is too bad about Michael😢

[@laurenmay2098]

He is a great lawyer. It is so sad his son is dead.

[@ryann.9636]

@ 💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@katwil89]

@@WVgrl59 Oh no!

[@MercuryHG17]

@WVgrl59 One of my favorite parts of the CLR videos is hearing Michael cracking up in the background over something Bruce said. I feel so heartbroken for him.

[@fenix310]

He’s lying he killed her

[@benjamminonabudget85]

The "issue" with her body and leg placement in the bathroom is not an issue at all, totally possible AND plausible. The GSR on her hand only with her DNA on the gun, is the smoking gun. This is tragic regardless, and would be very hard for the parents to accept the truth. Edit: AND she had attempted suicide before, and the parents try to claim the next time she succeeds this doesn't make sense?!?!?! Also the hand she used means nothing when it's a sudden spontaneous action.

[@17thknight]

Yeah... Sure it's possible he did it. But she has substance abuse problems and a history of trying to take her own life. It's just as possible she did it herself. The body position stuff is always nonsense.

[@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654]

Why would he move the gun and then put it back? Why lie in the first place? Why was his fingerprints and DNA not on the gun? How did part of the door get under the victim? In the video you can tell she was upset with him. He is full of crap. He got the GSR on her by putting the gun into her hand. Come on now. I’m sure there is more we don’t hear in the video, but was in the trial.

[@Cathy-f6m]

FINALLY, someone with a functional brain!!!! I appreciate you!

[@fedup_gal1573]

And add the alcohol- anything is possible. I agree on the leg position also. All that had to be inside the door was her one leg already positioned on the other side of the frame. Therefore, pushing only the other leg in the opposite direction. That’s just common sense.

[@megs3019]

Feel like there’s too much evidence that says he isn’t guilty… she had gunpowder on her hand….. idk this sucks and is extremely sad but idk how he would have done this and not have anything on his hands but she did.

[@dkcorderoyximenez3382]

I didn't believe him for a second...his body language was preposterous as were his tone and facial expressions...

[@TheBandit7613]

Just because you have a feeling about something doesn't mean that's beyond a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is a very high bar. Like 95% I don't believe him either, however there's no good proof, only speculation. I'm glad I don't have to be on a jury with you people.

[@nadogrl]

He seemed to be fabricating his alibi as he went along.

[@christiegriffith4048]

How could they not get the phone records??? That doesn’t make sense🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@scamunism]

he's weird and unethical and def lying, and his whole family is very off. that said it still makes no sense to discard all the evidence against her doing it and i'm sorry he aimed from behind the door?? smart and skilled enough to pull off that, but not dispose of the drugs with his name? also the ex losing his phone one day prior?? then who was she texting with? it looks like something very weird happened there, maybe other people were guilty/involved so frustrating, i wish the guy just told the truth

[@kimibear9]

The part that bugs me is how she ended up with gun shot residue on her left hand. Granted they said she was right handed but was she ambidextrous? This case isn't so cut and dry to me.

[@fedup_gal1573]

Shane didn’t know about this guy, is it possible she was texting another man also. If Shane was punching holes in walls/ doors- there was obviously stuff going on that he just didn’t want to talk about. Why was it so easy to bring the male nurse to the same bar her boyfriend was- ‘was this a normal or common occurrence in the relationship. Seems nobody knows for certain.

[@brendaestrada1782]

I just dont understand how a man can have a beautiful, smart n loving woman and still cheat on them! ://////

[@Nihilinstar]

Antidepressants alone elevate suicide risk.

[@KeithSergent-t3d]

Very messy case.

[@nerrisamaripane4101]

Too many holes int this one

[@Lalada22]

Why did he have a huge gun with him in her apartment? Strange neither side speaks about the state of mind Alex must have been in.She was drinking heavily and taking loads of pharmacutical drugs.

[@SmikeyDeeson]

I think he was toying with her, in addition to trying to impress her; possibly even make her fearful of him. Who knows what this seducer was REALLY up to! He's a terrible individual; gamey and sinister; however, I don't see him pulling that trigger. I do envision him blowing her off, telling her to do it though; and that got him 30 years at the State Pen. With regard to his former wife not permitting their children to see his family, I understand the reason; i.e., they'd confuse and possibly lie to them about their father, causing them more hardship. They might show up at their father's family's doorstep to make inquiries; at least one out of the four. Or, maybe sooner, if any of them need monetary help, especially if their mother isn't clear about her intentions and marries another creep who happens to dislike them.

[@valariewillis6000]

I dont think it was a "one time" affair. Also, Alex seems a little feaky

[@bigratamata]

That walk outside was very very strange. She waited in the lobby .For some headphones?mmh Maybe for some pills?

[@volusize]

Wow only a 4minute intro this time, you're improving. Well done.

[@DelaniaAndTheDogs]

😆 Right.

[@SloverOfTeuth]

They need to start giving these people an extra 5 years for the cringe fake crying.

[@dannettetaylor3871]

I'm left handed. I shoot both with my right and left. Single handed, I'm more accurate with my right.

[@megs3019]

I’ll never understand why good people get killed…. Makes me question a lot. We need more loving, good, honest people….. but they get taken away

[@JuicyPeaches504]

Exactly what I said the other day. Too many good people's lives are being taken away but the most evil people live happy healthy long lives. I don't understand this and never will...

[@ktube4848]

They say the good die young!

[@strangevisions5162]

you mean the woman using the fool for drugs and money?

[@StopCensorship]

To the op: Are you ok? Let’s be honest she was a pos too! She was a drug add!ct, cheating on her boyfriend, knowingly and willfully dating and sleeping with a married man, that had four kids!!!! If we are going to call HIM out let’s call them BOTH out!

[@artemis119x]

Matt's mom, "she knew he was married, she knew he had four children" .... And? What's your point? Aside from taking a dig at a dead girl. Your SON knew he was married too and I'm sure he didn't suddenly forget about four kids. Why not say that with the same disdain? You raised a selfish father, a cheater and a murderer...end of story.

[@KeithSergent-t3d]

Grown men with a key chain like that is a red flag.

[@strangevisions5162]

what keychain? ever heard of posting a time stamp FFS?

[@MyTube4Utoo]

@@strangevisions5162 *LOL* Are you serious? Watch the f'ing video!

[@yuliyalikhosherst4040]

Maybe she was thereatening him to tell his wife about an affair they had, and he was prescribing her meds and gave her money after they broke up under the pressure. Did I hear 28,000 K he gave her just to help her out? With 4 kids and wife to support? And put his licence at risk just to help instead of redirecting her to original prescriber or new doctor? And he knew that she got a new boyfriend. It would cause likelly some negativity on his side. Not likelly he will be willing to support her that much... They don't look friendly at all on the last video. It seems that she is mad at him and he looks like he is trying find the way to deescalte the situation. Maybe he snaped during the arguments about blackmailing...

[@reygarcia4538]

Yes a totally agree 😢 she must have been black mailing him until he got fed up

[@n-ss2vd]

Based on what was presented, without seeing the evidence as presented in the trial, I think there is reasonable doubt- I did not like that he washed his hands and that this fact was one of the first odd things he told the police. I find his prescription to a non-patient to be highly unethical and he should have lost his license to practice just based on that. May be hi did it, but I do not believe it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The leg evidence confused me. The door piece evidence could have happened like the defense said. He also lied and change his story about the gun and he cheated on his wife. He is of questionable character, but not necessarily a murderer. In his favor also her mental instability with what looked like significant alcohol abuse an use of Valium which is not an antidepressant and is not really used for anxiety. Use of antidepressants on itself does not mean that somebody is necessarily unstable.

[@trinarichardson291]

Mixing the psyche meds with alcohol is so dangerous makes you so crazy things this was over looked

[@sunidaye011110]

This is so sad... There are far too many of these beautiful women that end up trusting the fairy tale "Happily ever after" when finding a good partner that doesn't lie and cheat or become violent

[@babstarr9775]

I think her boyfriend might be lying about the type of person he is,a smile on his face the entire interview..He was behaving violently. I mean he's just comparing what he did to killing someone with a gun...none of it had anything to do with him..😐 right

[@rojansalinger6104]

About punching the other guy, he said "I punched him even though its not in my character." Meanwhile there are punch holes all over that house.

[@StopCensorship]

Are you ok? She was a terrible person herself, why not be honest?? 🤷

[@jvtc]

I'm sorry but the evidence in this one seems very thin to me

[@GT--BTS]

There absolutely is reasonable doubt here, there is a chance she did it herself. I therefore think he shouldn't be in prison. Innocent until proven guilty. His guilt is not proven enough.

[@TheKayc136]

I cried the other day. Cried for ages,over my father passing away. He hasnt just died, he passed away, seven years ago on Saturday. Five minutes before, he was laughing at the television. He had a seizure and was gone. I was in such shock I think when it happened, then I was the one sorting out the coroner, funeral, will etc. I had to be the " strong one" for my mum, brother, daughters and grandson. I adored him, and felt if I cried I would just shatter into a million pieces and never recover. Then suddenly last week the tears came, and its like a weight has lifted. Just because someone doesn't cry , it doesnt mean they dont care.

[@Kinkle_Z]

The first thing he said to me was "Mom - I did not do this!" SORRY - but that's a confession in my book!

[@NyanyiC]

the girl's parents look lovely in their interview with their matching outfit. I'm sorry for your loss

[@bolotabr12]

Thanks for posting the videos 👍 😊

[@kristinholcomb5817]

This guy is guilty af. He said she took the gun and put it to her head in one breath and in another he says she took the gun and ran in the bathroom and shut the door and put it to her head. How would he know what she did if she was on the other side of the door and he couldn't see her. His story is all jacked up.

[@hauteteapot349]

If he lost his phone the night before, then how did she call him?

[@vwgolf6487]

I thought Shane's reaction was genuine.

[@SmikeyDeeson]

I think he may have encouraged her to shoot herself, but he didn't think she'd do it, which explains his mixed-message vibe: he DOES think he's at least partly responsible.

[@conceptagreville9511]

Nah , he said punching someone was not who he is . But lots of evidencecof him punching walls

[@mugicha2026]

Why did she have gun residue on her left hand and he didn't have any? Why was her DNA on the gun and his wasn't? Are they claiming that when he wiped the gun only his DNA disappeared? She was suicidal and had major depressive disorder. He didn't have a speck of blood on him but supposedly shot her at point blank range. Lots of reasonable doubt. It's very possible an innocent man is in prison.

[@Odanti]

I do nno believe that he killed her. What was his Motive??? He needs a knew trial. Good Luck, Blessings, ❤️🙏❤️

[@tanja3693]

He had plenty of motive. She could have been threatening him to tell his wife about the affair, he could have been angry she cheated on him, maybe he was tired of her behavior and her psychological problem, maybe she became too expensive for him or caused him too many problems

[@Odanti]

@tanja3693 I understand. Thank you ❤️🙏❤️

[@chrisbradshaw6135]

Creepy part is his reaction to his parents' statement. Nothing! Psychopath

[@thomaslance5428]

Are you a clinical psychologist? Maybe he is, maybe not.

[@judyk2268]

I'm not sure he did it

[@MizzTH-G]

Watching in 🇬🇧

[@OregonCrow]

who cares

[@Missliaz]

Spammer

[@gasmith7486]

Nobody cares

[@OregonCrow]

@ Sorry I upset you.

[@cydppalley2644]

I find it interesting that people in other countries are enjoying the content​@@OregonCrow

[@KeithSergent-t3d]

8 minutes in, gun powder residue tests should be priority. Let's see...

[@ADhudson7964]

I have doubts, so i couldn’t convict him😢😢

[@brittneyjake2010]

Yep too much reasonable doubt

[@barbkellen6658]

As someone that lives in Minnesota I am quick to notice that as cold as it appears outside he was in jeans but when they were interviewing him in the hallway he is in shorts! Hmmm

[@sandeeclingerman2992]

Where did the jeans go, and why did he change into shorts?

[@katharina5159]

Maybe it was an innocent guy sent to prison for 30 yrs.. I am not very happy with the verdict

[@SmikeyDeeson]

I wonder if he was on any of those drugs he prescribed to her. They might have effected his behavior while talking to the police.

[@Pjsgirl22]

No one has mentioned Matthew getting “headphones” from his car. It was 2-3am. I think he went back for his gun. Now I know as a rule don’t leave a gun in your car overnight. And maybe he really was worried that Shane might show up. But then why say went back for his headphones? The evidence points more toward homicide than suicide. Watching the original episode, and before any mention of a suspect, I felt it was Matthew. And I don’t think Clyde of him shooting her was an argument about her telling his wife, I think it was more about her choosing Shane and not him.

[@cydppalley2644]

👍

[@marilynh.]

I think he went back to call his wife to make up a lie on why he was out so late.

[@reginagraham821]

Sitting in the hall. Crying hysterically. Not one tear.

[@jadetaylor2443]

But his nose is sniffling.

[@karinareyes7160]

How come no one has mentioned about, no dropped or spec of blood was found on him, when that's imposible when you are trying to apply pressure on her wound and absolutely no blood on him. When the bathroom was a bloody mess!!!!! Why?????? Come on. Catch on!😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@kaitlyn2st]

Watching from South Philly 🇺🇸

[@OregonCrow]

who cares

[@smokejc]

@@OregonCrow why are you like this

[@Missliaz]

@@OregonCrow😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gasmith7486]

I wouldn’t brag about that and nobody cares!

[@OregonCrow]

​@@smokejcBecause I can, just like you can and did.

[@lauracurtin631]

Mathew's sister, "He would never hurt anyone intentionally." But he was cheating on his wife and children. Total denial of the family of how evil their brother was.

[@dianagabriela3287]

Ugh family in denial that its not his character and he's not gonna harm somebody on purpose. He sure didn't mind hurting his wife and kids with his affair. Sure a cheat is not necessarily a murderer. But the claim that he is of good character, nah.

[@giancarlocrumps]

sooooo it's Matthew??

[@scorpjess84]

🎯

[@RJ1234-d1s]

I don't think he did it.

[@Skywalker29]

30 years that’s it that’s a slap in the face. He didn’t even own up smh

[@briandonaldson7357]

Did I miss something why cut off the grandparents???

[@JacquelineRobinson-ub5py]

He didn't say he washed his hands in the bathroom???

[@batbratsdesigns]

37:51 Her comment is hypocritical because her brother wasn't helping people by subscribing medicine to addicts who aren't his patients and he had a loaded gun and he didn't stop the victim from going into the bathroom with his gun. He literally lied about the situation. I can tell you exactly what happened just by the basic evidence of the door being broken and the lock being found under her body. He literally chased her into the bathroom and broke in when she locked it and shot her in the head. I believe he was abusive to her for years that's why they broke up and he was feeding her addiction keeping her under his control and they got into an argument he got mad because he lost control, that's why she looked upset in the video and he shrugged it off before following her. He got rid of the evidence and staged a suicide. He was a practicing healthcare provider and has an understanding of crimes at a deep medical science level. Also, she wouldn't have had drugs in her system or had the gun if he didn't subscribe the drugs and if he cared about people he wouldn't have a loaded gun ready for anyone to use. He lied to his family and community. Also, his sociopathic personality showed at the end of the trail, his flat emotionless stair says it all. He doesn't care about anything. He's got an empty vessel instead of a full heart full of love and a soul. He wanted to control Alex until she had nothing left but her suffering and addiction. He's sick and his family is just as sick as he is. They don't care about the victims or the truth. They only see themselves. That's narcissistic selfishness. It runs in the family. They will never be able to relate to others or understand the pain and suffering their family member has caused because they don't care too.

[@tanja3693]

I agree. The complete disregard that whole family has for the death of that young woman is insane as well as the glorifying of their amazing son/brother

[@frontricefield]

I am a mother,and if my son tells a lie,I can notice it.

[@trinarichardson291]

He moved her body and legs to try to help her !!!!!!