The Strongest Joestar in JoJo (According to Araki)

[@MRForca]

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[@Stereotypicalduh]

Dio just was cocky while fighting jotaro

[@Stereotypicalduh]

But still Jonathan is the strongest jostar in strength

[@JohnnyBoi-11153]

@@Stereotypicalduh The JoJos Ranked in Physical Strength: 1. Jonathan Joestar 2. Jotaro Kujo 3. Joseph Joestar 4. Josuke Higashikata (Gappy) 5. Josuke Higashikata 6. Jolyne Cujoh 7. Johnny Joestar w/ Legs 8. Giorno Giovanna 9. Jodio Joestar

[@Stereotypicalduh]

Thanks bro

[@xziuto]

Yo we have about the same amount of subs

[@tuanpiang]

Funnily enough, in the games the joestar all say something like Jonathan was strong without a stand, and are terrified of the thought of his power if he were to acquire one.

[@SaguaroTheCactusCat]

Funny thing is he did get a stand and it was literally just hermit purple

[@Sifi999]

@@SaguaroTheCactusCatyeah but technically it was just dios stand but using jonathans body

[@SaguaroTheCactusCat]

@@Sifi999 it’s still Jonathan’s stand I mean.. the stand is literally called “Jonathan’s stand” kinda in the name

[@Aquila666]

It was so powerfull that provided all his descendents strong stands

[@NolanDraconis]

I usually think that what we saw of Jonathan’s stand wasn’t a complete one, as in like it wasn’t in its fullest state or never seen beyond one of its abilities

[@krityanegi6207]

The fact that he is physiclly stronger then half of stands show how strong he is

[@MRForca]

indeed

[@You-qe2bx]

@@MRForcayou were kinda wrong on how Jonathan were to punch a wall vs tusk punching a wall the wall takes time to damage more with tusk than Jonathan judging you completely ignored the fact Tusk has crazy strength as well than just having infinite rotations on his side yeah Jonathan is strong as well but realistically speaking Jonathan can’t get to tusk at all. Even if Jonathan did have speed or unrealistically TIMESTOP johnny can still move through it all easily and he’s not a vampire so hamon would do damage but not as much as it would DIO also with GER I agree that ger has little to no durability because being seen to be defeated by only one punch by diavolo but that’s if jonathan can even touch ger if he’s even able to get to ger, I agree with your statements with jonathan just had a couple reasons on why things would go differently when it comes to jonathan being the best and strongest joestar but it doesn’t mean some joestars can’t defeat him. JoJos whole plot and story came from Jonathan’s balls

[@yotryhofficial]

​@@You-qe2bxI ain't reading allat

[@Sifi999]

@@You-qe2bx womp womp

[@panriot5106]

@@MRForcabruh i dont think so cuz star platinum fucking destroyed a school by uppercutting kakyoin

[@christophermonteith2774]

Honestly think that all the jojos kind of cancel each other out. As the parts go on, they get less raw power, but better hax, as a general rule.

[@MRForca]

That’s what I’m saying lmao. Jonathan is the strongest but I think jotaro beats him

[@AQWChancer]

i think is jotaro had hamon, he would be the undeniable "strongest".@@MRForca

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@MRForcai mean that's random because being born a hamon prodigy is different than having strong stand but if he can somehow reach high degree in hamon he will be absolute tank

[@windego64]

I think if he also had spin and vampirism he would be the strongest JoJo.​@@AQWChancer

[@AQWChancer]

@@windego64 but you can’t have hamon and vampirism

[@vrooommmm9631]

Bro, just imagine if jotaro learned hamon while also using star platinum

[@MRForca]

ikr

[@calebcollins5887]

He probably wouldn’t have been able to use it much against Dio, as even a Hamon prodigy like his ancestors needed time to train and Jotaro didn’t really have time for much training, he might’ve been able to pick up some of the basics details of it, but not enough. Also while Jotaro is clever his main strategy is always to get in close and take out his opponent, Dio is clever and if by some miracle hamon could effect the World, all that would do is make Dio more cautious and possibly lead to him running away the minute he felt a true threat.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@calebcollins5887i guess this is assuming if jotaro had time in that case it's definitely useful

[@Fr3nzzzied]

duuude star platinum throwing zoompunch and overdrives

[@Gamer-qr8ee]

@@calebcollins5887 Just teach it to SP Weve all seen how he can breathe

[@Midnight_Blue_Alchemist]

It's funny Johnathan was always my favored character, and I always had the thought of him being the strongest

[@MRForca]

Thanks man

[@MRForca]

He’s my favorite too

[@michaelbrooks886]

Johnathan doesn't get enough respect..him and Joseph are my favorite Joestar's..

[@Midnight_Blue_Alchemist]

True that and I agree with the Joseph statement too @@michaelbrooks886

[@spiralgodking9877]

​@@MRForca Oh my God, I am happy to meet fellow Jonathan enjoyers. He's always been my favorite because of his status as a paragon of righteousness. And in the games, the other family members always treat him with reverence, as he essentially became the Joestar patriarch.

[@morsayxd]

Pucci enduring the speed of the universe isnt due to his own durability , it due to made in heaven , pucci in accelerated time is the only being in the universe able to keep up with the time acceleration , which is why he seems faster to others but in reality , others are just slower

[@MRForca]

watch the jotaro vid for a more detialed explaination

[@Ratscallion_exe]

_HEAVEN'S DOORRR_

[@kiryukazuma7960]

The first three JoJo's have something the other JoJo's didn't, a boost from the writer or plot armor. Especially Joseph and Jotaro. There were so many instances where these two would've died but still manage to come out on top. There's just something so mysterious about these guys and how they had to be held back through some weakness, whether it is not getting a powerup or old age.

[@MRForca]

Legit

[@Abicated]

At least Joseph had Hamon supercharging his body.

[@brendonw456]

​​@@MRForca I gotta be honest...it's physically impossible, according to the lore presented in the series, for Jonathan to be stronger than Joseph. Jonathan could barely handle Dio, and he still died doing that. Dio...is factually weaker than the Pillar Men, according to what the lore lays out in Battle Tendency. In fact, the Pillar Men see vampires as...food. The stone mask grants humans a fraction of the Pillar Men's strengths, and expands their weakness (i.e. to sunlight and Hamon). Joseph fought and killed one...and then IMMEDIATELY continued into fighting another, stronger one...that then literally became the Ultimate Being in the world. I won't count Joseph's victory against Kars as a testament to his strength (it wasn't), but the fact is he still NEARLY killed Kars before his transformation. And Kars was far and away the strongest opponent before he ever became Ultimate Kars. Pillar Men >>>>>>> Vampires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Base Humans That's the strength scale we're looking at...even a particularly strong vampire couldn't beat a Pillar Man, even if the Pillar Men couldn't just immediately devour them. Even if the Pillar Men could be killed via some method other than Hamon (which vampires can't use). The vampires, at base, are just physically weaker than the Pillar Men. The Stone Mask effect on humans just turns them into weak imitations of the Pillar Men This is specifically why Araki has never outright stated this OUTRAGEOUS claim. Because he literally, objectively, removes that idea from debate in the VERY NEXT PART

[@MRForca]

@@brendonw456 not reading all that. join the discord

[@brendonw456]

@@MRForca Fine. Here's the TLDR: Part 2 clearly states the Pillar Men are stronger than vampires. Joseph killed 1, solo, and then nearly killed another, stronger one, immediately after. Dio is a vampire. Jonathan had to push himself to death to handle a weaker version of what Joseph dealt with.

[@sneakykitsune6]

Johnathan is literally physically the strongest, if given a stand he would no doubt out-fighting spirit any other jostar

[@tomatofarmerlarry3331]

The world is Jonathan's stand, with Dio using it

[@uwolfe]

@@tomatofarmerlarry3331 no jonathan has a different variation of hermit purple. the world is dio's stand.

[@gotyournose6479]

@@uwolfe Incorrect

[@Zeonite-of5lu]

​​@@gotyournose6479No Dios stand is The World. The Passions is Jonathan's stand.

[@gotyournose6479]

@@Zeonite-of5lu Never said anything about Dio's stand I just said that's bs. Passion isn't canon and the hermit purple variant used by DIO was never obtained by Jonathan thus not being an appropriate display of his fighting spirit

[@gzilla1955]

I love how the all stars game Johnathan can fight stands with his bare fists

[@DripTitan6988]

I mean, He basically has hermit purple as seen in part 3 and araki said that if the part 3 and onwards cast were to go back in time they would see jonathan and joseph wrapped in hermit purple

[@kdevelopergw]

1:50 while i dont argue that jonathan is the strongest joestar (i love jonathan), i can't say i agree that part 3 DIO *didn't have access to his vampiric abilities*, specifically for space ripper stingy eyes, he didn't wanna do it because it expels vampiric essence, weakening himself in the process, and he wanted to get The World's time stop abilities to reach their fullest potential (which The World gets a longer timestop the stronger DIO himself is). As for why he didn't use the freezing ability... well he didn't really have a use for in part 3, there was no point at which he was close enough to someone to use it, and even if he did, his intention was to prove that The World is "the ultimate stand"

[@sonpanchan]

The freezing ability is the one vampire ability I can see him not having in Part 3. In Part 1 Dio mentions that he can use his vaporizing freezing technique because he had full mastery and control of his body. In part 3 he does not have full control of Jonathan’s body so it’s only natural to assume he wouldn’t be able to use it even if he wanted to.

[@kdevelopergw]

@@sonpanchan that's a fair point

[@orlandobritt1460]

Star platinum the same type of stand

[@bananabanana484]

This is a plausible take, but it’s not actually addressed in the source material. He just kinda doesn’t use any ability other than healing; we can assume he’s lost the powers, or maybe he just didn’t want to use them or didn’t have a good opportunity. But it’s not really for certain

[@_Sage967_]

@@bananabanana484 actually we can assume he very much has all his abilities but we dont know the reason for not using them. he can and does turn people (at least one person) after awakening into a vampire and his flesh parasites are a direct application of his vampire powers. we could infere that the flesh parasites are simply far more efficient than siring entire vampires potentially wasting energy that he's been building up for years. i will say that even though DIO probably had all his powers the only time he'd be willing to use them is in the state after drinking Joseph's blood as that changed him... but stands are just more efficient and he cant use his abilities on star platinum

[@sonpanchan]

Araki made a chart of all the JoJos up to part 5 (he had yet to do Stone Ocean back when he did this and was doing Vento Aureo) where he did the stats for the JoJos’ physical strength, explosive power, intelligence, willpower, looks, and luck, similar to how he does with stand stats. You can find them in Weekly Shonen Jump #13 (1997). Jonathan was the only JoJo with an A in physical strength with Jotaro and Joseph having a B and Giorno and Josuke having a C. Jonathan also had A on looks and an A on willpower (the only other JoJo to have an A in these places was Giorno). However Jonathan had a C in explosive power (Josuke was the only one with an A in this section) and he has C on luck(Joseph was the only JoJo with an A) and in his intelligence he had a B (Jotaro and Joseph were the only ones who had an A in intelligence). Basically when it comes to pure physical strength only, Jonathan is the strongest. The script for the Eyes of Heaven game was surpervised by Araki and in it all the other JoJos are surprised at how strong Jonathan for a person that does not have a stand. Jotaro even mentions in one of his winning quotes against Jonathan that he was lucky that Jonathan did not have a stand.

[@0malware118]

Joseph???? A in intelligence????

[@ianjaquan]

@@0malware118 Check out Part 2, shit's crazy

[@ShadowAraun]

Joseph is pretty smart, its how he beat Kars​@@0malware118

[@trillionwins2028]

​@@0malware118part 2 is all the proof you need to say Joseph deserves both the A in smarts and luck don't even need the other parts

[@0malware118]

@Nighterion97 except for randomly pulling out divinations out of his ass, bro was always stupid ASF, especially when it comes to emotional intelligence when he was young. I love Joseph, especially the old ones, but nah. His emotional intelligence got better with age, his pulling divinations out of his ass got worse (even tho bro received a stand for it)

[@koheletcalaforexclan6508]

Yeah, everyone else gets skinny, Jonathan straight up lifts rocks man! And apparently lugged an Anvil up to the top of a mansion just to drop it on a zombie’s head.😂

[@kingpotato7183]

Ok the anvil feat is actually OP. Anvils are literally made of pure metal and weigh a lot

[@wasabi5338]

​@@kingpotato7183and he just tossed it with one hand just to make an entrance lmao

[@holdthetruthhostage]

Johnathan was killed by the plot not the main villain

[@nikapanda160]

The sheer amount of mental hoops you have been jumping through is almost impressive icl

[@unknownbasic57]

It’s a common thing to think strength=power when in reality they are different. Strength is a more of a physical force and Power is where hax comes in.

[@bananabanana484]

Well, Power is just energy/time. I think you mean fighting ability, which is an understandable distinct. Aqua man can probably lift more than the Flash, but the flash probably wins

[@Originalsapling405]

I think the way Araki meant by Johnathan is strongest is by his sheer willpower. As it has been said before that the thing what makes the Joestar bloodline special is their indomitable willpower.

[@swanliszt]

Shhhhh Don't let the guy know

[@SirL_56]

im pretty sure its jonathan whos the strongest physically and everyone else whos 'stronger' its because of their stand (eg star platinum)

[@SnippyFilly114]

“Pucci can withstand the universe being deconstructed around him.” Emporio universe level confirmed. Power scalers really have rocks for brains.

[@MRForca]

Feel free to debunk it then. That wasn’t my main argument either

[@swanliszt]

​@@MRForcathe whole video is debunkable my man Ever since you said Jonathan>Star Platinum

[@SirL_56]

​@@swanlisztagainst dio it sounds plausible lol

[@Gaonkkk]

​@@SirL_56 Not at all, lil bro implies DIO = The World, when The World >>> DIO, Jonathan does not scale to Star Platinum

[@tomboyjessie1352]

YES! Jonathan's getting the respect he deserves! Also, I was wondering why DIO stopped using his Vampiric powers in Part 3, I completely forgot that the body wasn't his let alone not a Vampire.

[@atlasrecordsrusdub]

Counter arguement. Why didnt he use hamon? 0_o

[@misterok5978]

⁠@@atlasrecordsrusdub Straizo is a bit of a result of why Dio can't use Hamon. the other problem is that Hamon is still a problem for Dio (even in time stop otherwise he wouldn't need to use a knife to kill Joseph.) He doesn't fully know the hamon And… he has The World so that’s enough for him

[@Stun_irakih]

​@@atlasrecordsrusdub dio is a vampire if he used hamon he would be dead already

[@Stun_irakih]

​@@atlasrecordsrusdubI can prove that he would die by using hamon as a vampire because straizo used hamon and then his entire body crumbled

[@CrucialMutual]

You lost me when you said pucci survived destroying the universe as it wasnt really destroyed, rather sped up to reach its conclusion.

[@mememongrel7728]

Danm just realized this video only has like 1000 views. Great job man hope the views keep coming. Jhonathan cracked.

[@MRForca]

Thx man

[@purpleprinc3]

Only 1k views 7 months ago? It has a 184K views now!

[@justsomeguywithamustach]

the only reason people say Jonathan is the weakest is because of his lack of a stand which makes sense because any other would beat him before he could even see what was happening but in terms of raw power he outclasses them

[@Random_Enthusiast]

Theres so many assumptions. For example diavolo being weaker than p4 jotaro. Araki didnt EVER have Part 5 in his mind sorted out when p4 was getting written. Also there are many statements by Dio before encountering the crusaders saying if he is able to consume josephs blood or any joestars blood, jonathans body will be his. And theres many hints how Dio had a huge powerup when he sucked Joseph's blood. Breaking jotaros Bones with a simple barrage when 1 punch to Sp in the face at the start of the fight only made jotaro bleed. Also Jotaro was constantly reacting to dio at the start of the fight. But when dio came in for the kicks, jotaro barely is able to block, still gets destroyed cause dio had a strength powerup. Not only that But dio also got his Part 1 regen speed back, after jotaro broke his hand he healed it back shortly after without consuming blood. Hell even before greatest high he healed the punch through the stomach without needing to consume blood.

[@p1xiest1ck6]

Yeah the video is incredibly disingenuous and very heavily giving Jonathan every benefit of the doubt, im sure anyone would win this debate against him

[@Numbers-gStands]

Not sure about him getting his part 1 regen back, he was blown in half from a non-hamon related source and couldn’t recover while straizo who should be relative to part 1 Dio (but most likely is generally weaker) was entirely blown to bits by grenades and recovered fine. I do agree that DIO getting Joseph’s blood was a huge power-up as that’s just what the narrative is telling us but the increase is unquantifiable, but it’s most certainly not back to his part 1 self fully in the physical department. Especially considering how he lost by being hit on his weaker side, which implies that he had far more room for growth in not just his time stop length. As a side note I’d argue it’s also fair to say at least physically Jotaro would outmatch Diavolo with Star Platinum as he showed general superiority over a Silver Chariot in better condition than the one shown in Part 5 while Diavolo had to work around Silver Chariot with his ability and couldn’t outright overpower it. Star Platinum’s stand stats are also generally superior to King Crimson but that’s way less important considering how bizarre they can be.

[@brendonw456]

​@@p1xiest1ck6 I mean...he'd have to explain how Dio Brando is somehow stronger than the Pillar Men, while simultaneously the result of wearing the mask they designed that turns humans into WEAKER and bastardized versions of Pillar Men. Because Joseph soloed one of those Pillar Men and then continued on to fight an even stronger one and NEARLY win *that* fight as well...before that Ultimate Being transformation. And that enemy was so OP that the plot literally just had to force him to lose. But the YTer does conveniently skip over Part 2 entirely...probably because ALL of the lore in that section contradicts the idea of Jonathan being the strongest without dispute.

[@playergudsteak]

@@brendonw456 yeah, it was told in part 2 that santana has the same strenght as dio brando, and santana is shown to be way weaker than the pillar men

[@brendonw456]

@@playergudsteak Yeah, but Santana himself is also a Pillar Man. He's just the weakest one. I almost forgot about him. He comes and goes so fast. But yeah, Santana's main role is to introduce the Pillar Men, what they are, what they can do...and then give a comparison for just how strong the rest of the Pillar Men are. And even with his strength compared to Dio...Santana would *still* have the edge because Dio actually...can't...do anything to Santana. He needs Hamon to fight him, but he can't use it.

[@p1nza397]

you're trolling bro 😭this vid is funny asl

[@DmanInDemand]

I say this so genuinely. This is some of the craziest mental gymnastics and copium I have ever seen in one video.

[@voiddude4142]

some good shit, cant wait for some more jojo vids.

[@MRForca]

Thanks man

[@noncringyperson8630]

Hope Ramadan is going ok for you brother good vid

[@MRForca]

you too man

[@gokussbkaioken5133]

7:36 nah nah nah you are high balling this shit to infinity and beyond right now

[@MRForca]

watch the jotaro vs goku vid for context

[@MoOsHw]

Another one of these, gotta correct you here in that Dio could use his vampiric powers in Part 3, he just thought they were pointless compared to The World

[@MRForca]

he needed to get closer to jotaro remember after throwing the knifes? So why not just use the sting eyes????

[@poptartninja]

@@MRForca DIO is very egotistical, wouldn't put it past the guy to refuse to use his "Inferior" abilities

[@MoOsHw]

@@MRForca Cause he wanted to be cautious and thorough, Star Platinum could deflect it plus it's not as guaranteed a fatal attack as beheading, or as gruesome for that matter, which is what Dio prefers.

[@kdevelopergw]

@@MRForca first, the arguments already listed by other comments, second, space ripper stingy eyes expel vampiric energy, therefore it would be detrimental for him to use it as he would need more blood to regain his strength.

[@vergil6325]

@@MoOsHw well it worked on Jonathan, Jotaro might not expect it since he doesn't even know about vampire abilities, and idk if Star Platinum can deflect the stinger eyes, it might actually go through the stand entirely like a ghost but i'm guessing DIO wouldn't want to risk that anyway

[@Mochi_Madness87]

Jonathan's physique and ridiculous height speaks volumes of just how strong he is. Could you imagine how near untouchable he'd be if he had Star Platinum? Especially considering Sunlight Yellow Overdrive is basically the equivalent to a Star Platinum beatdown. It'd just be an utter torrent of fists.

[@seanb1446]

After part 3, the definition of strong turned more and more into who's ability gives them more opportunities to outwit the enemy

[@GooberGoofy-lj5yd]

I feel dumber for having watched this.

[@SODA63]

😂

[@BumbleBee-ur4uo]

I think you mistook it. That's actually you getting smarter. I know for a fact that that's what's going on, because you can't get any dumber.

[@GooberGoofy-lj5yd]

@@BumbleBee-ur4uo True, based and red pilled. No one in the history of mankind has ever gotten dumber.

[@jzi4]

​@@GooberGoofy-lj5yd You could could have a stroke resulting in brain cells dying, get Alzheimer's, dementia, etc which will result in you getting dumber. This has happened thousands of times all throughout human history.

[@swanliszt]

Yep. My man doesn't know the difference between "strength" and "hacks" If his point was "Jonathan is physically the strongest Jojo" then no one would've doubted it

[@MRForca]

Forgot to mention this video thumbnail was inspired by @xforts

[@ignacioperez5479]

Of course he is. A gentle soul, with a will of steel and a heart of gold. Someone who will never stay down if he falls, because he will never let others down

[@carlosiagnecz]

So that's why they don't use Hamon anymore... it would make every villain trivial.

[@hellbat.]

I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video; the way the content creator meticulously dissected each part of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure (JJBA) and delved into the character of Jonathan was truly captivating. What stood out to me the most was the level of respect the creator showed towards every character in the series. Their analysis not only provided insightful perspectives but also challenged my preconceived notions. In essence, watching this video completely altered my perspective on JJBA.

[@Czilla1954]

Chatgpt ass reply (no offense if you came up with this)

[@aylmaoxdxddd5687]

I cannot be understated how strong pausing time actually is, look at Pucci for all his brokenness he still had to strategise around time stop or he would have LOST

[@chocolatebar6785]

i mean johnny tore apart a pocket dimension which should atleast be uni+ strength

[@andruskid2243]

There is NO WORLD where Johnathan gets past GER

[@shocck1]

i mean, if you had to choose any joestar to punch you in the face with their bare hands, no abilities allowed, you’re not gonna choose jonathan

[@GoatOfWIS]

Editing goes crazy; cook mah brudda

[@MRForca]

thank you bud

[@Hatory-o6n]

I stopped at "Jonathan punches harder than star platinum" lmfao

[@MRForca]

@@Hatory-o6n watch it fully to understand

[@Sifi999]

underrated af dude hope u get more views

[@MRForca]

Thank you so much

[@Kova-]

Bro the glazing is immense 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

[@TheWrongRighter]

Power scaling is a hell of a drug

[@gyspel4317]

How would Pucci have universal durability? There was a whole explanation on how that happened.

[@MRForca]

Watch the jotaro vs goku vid in the description. I go in depth there on why he would have that along with jotaro beating him 🤷‍♀️

[@bananabanana484]

Yeah, what? He got punched in the face by weather report and died pretty quickly. He just didn’t die from his own ability. His ability was beyond the realm of his personal power, similar to how the world stops time everywhere in the universe but DIO’s biggest feat is lifting construction equipment

[@Vitor20XX]

That's what we call wank

[@Vitor20XX]

@@bananabanana484 it's just hax, his physical stats are low af, except for MiH speed.

[@jangojules]

@@bananabanana484pucci died because of the air being poisoned

[@boko_6471]

this is crazy stretching bro

[@eduardpeeterlemming]

Truly scary would be if Jonathan could use Joseph's prediction or family secret technique

[@facts92199]

jonathan is physically strongest but nowhere near star platinum part 3.

[@agroshkolnyk]

Star platinum: breaking the jail cage bars. Jonathan: breaking the steel collar which was made of near 4-5 steel bars Of course Stands have more strengh, because in theory, they can break everything ( cuz stand can't be breaked by usual objects). But Jonathan has a Hermit Purple in part 3. So, with HP wrapped around his fists, Jonathan really can punch like SP

[@christianjohnson2275]

⁠@@agroshkolnykyou got Joseph and Jonathan confused. Joseph has hermit purple.

[@agroshkolnyk]

@@christianjohnson2275 Jonathan's stand was showed in part 3, when Dio used it on crystal ball (Polnareff meet flashback), and a camera. This stamd is similar to Hermit Purple, and its name is Passion.

[@swanliszt]

​@@agroshkolnykyou do realize that's not even SP's best feat right? Like, punching through massive "stronger than diamond" teeth?

[@agroshkolnyk]

@@swanliszt Yes, Star Platinum is very strong stand, and it is not only due to plot, Jotaro's soul etc, but to Jonathan's soul help as well. In the theory i support, Jonathan's soul in th body awakened SP and gave him some "power" to destroy DIO. But in fact, Jonathan is the most physically strongest JoJo, and with the Passion, he really can give some problems to villains ( Kars not counts, because Jonathan is not genius like Joseph).

[@DRYSTOVE]

Dio: I NEED JOESTAR BLOOD Jotaro: playing dead Dio: I WILL NOT TAKE HIS BLOOD AND INSTEAD WILL CHECK IF HES DEAD

[@franky2765]

Good shit

[@MRForca]

Thank you for watching!

[@babysinclairfan]

Honestly, this makes sense. Jonathan is a Christ figure, an ideal that all of the later JoJo's are striving to live up to. No matter what heights the other JoJos reach, they got there by standing on his shoulders. Does it make sense from power scaling? Probably not, but this is fiction. We don't always have to be physically consistent. Storytelling always comes first. Going back to the Christ analogy, we still feel Jonathan's presence well after his heroic sacrifice. Jonathan's body is what stops Dio from reaching full power and gives our heroes stands to fight back with. Sure, it might be a coincidence, but it also might not be. Also, everyone knows that Star Platinum is a dead-ringer for Jonathan. While I don't think it's Jonathan's ghost or anything like that, it's a symbol that his legacy is alive in Jotaro. Also, let's not forget that the speed wagon has been helping our heroes entirely out of gratitude for Jonathan. Also I don't think Jonathan was the most powerful strength-wise. In his time, he was just a really strong fighter. However, that's all he needed to overcome his trials. If he had been the one fighting Kira, Diavolo, Kars, Pucci, or the world, he would've risen to the challenge and beaten those villains too. That's just who Jonathan is, an iron-willed hero who finds a way. Jonathan's mind and brawn aren't what makes him special, it's his heart.

[@romantroman6270]

Jonathan lost to Dio's head lol

[@SamyakGupta-e5q]

Stand users : You dont have a stand Jonathan : I AM THE STAND

[@MRForca]

[@KazuNEET]

To be fair, he could even pick up heavy rocks!

[@Bound662]

To sum up before people come to hate the video: He is the strongest phisically, even more than a lot of stands, but still a human that, for example, could be desintegrated by Magicien's Red.

[@CityMan69]

I havent seen Jojo in a long time, But Jonathan was so strong his entire bloodline (except jolyne) Kicked ass

[@CityMan69]

You can see his Chad blood lessening as the jojos get skinnier

[@Halilpasar]

Dio: BRING OUT YOUR STAND AND LETS END THIS JOJO! Jonathan: I don’t need a stand to defeat you.. *_I’VE GOT HAMON!_*

[@AlphaFramke42]

Don't mind OVA Star Platinum literally throwing a building... that might outdo Jonathon.

[@aboi6638]

people dont... go off ova. jonthon is still washed tho lmao

[@VerycoolEsso]

Jonathan is the strongest Joestar, without abilities.

[@camdenstyle3813]

Exactly, he's pretty much the weakest without his abilities. Though there is reason to say that he is at least stronger than Joseph, but even that is debatable. They both know Hamon, but Jonathon has mastered it while Joseph pretty much just hastily learned it. That being said the battle IQ of Joseph is probably greater than that of nearly every other Joestar. It honestly could probably go to either person, based on their surroundings and weapons at hand.

[@BumbleBee-ur4uo]

You lack logic. Every joestar has abilities.

[@homies1270]

​@@BumbleBee-ur4uoYes and their most powerful ability is to *Run away*

[@omariblake21]

Jonathan never ran away from a fight bro. The only Joestar closer to Jonathan is Jotaro. They both would merk anyone in a fist fight

[@pickletickle8407]

​@@omariblake21Nobody else was up against Kars 💀

[@Abandoned2377]

You reaching with the different body take... it's Johnathon's body. His cells

[@MRForca]

By definition it’s a different body

[@thathogwartsboi4676]

4:10 yk what else is massive

[@undeadinside3571]

Jonathan was practically a Belmont. His family and estate were destroyed and his nemesis was a vampire! Then his descendants fight that same vampire

[@7vader_edits7]

Johnathan Joestar when he encounters a Stand that can break him in half like a piece of wood and stop time: 👁👄👁

[@KraNisOG]

I agree that DIO Part 1 is super stronger, but the only thing I disagree about with your assessment is that DIO could have just verry easily tossed the sign, grabbed the gun and shot several shots, or have done..... anything other than getting closer. The Space Ripper Stingy Eyes doesn't really change anything. According to the scientists, DIO was regenerating after he got his stand destroyed, and also according to DIO he can regain his full strength whenever, but he wanted a Joestar. Part 3 with full blood is definitely stronger than part 1 DIO. That said, I think that taking Joseph's blood was a bad choice by DIO because his hamon likely fused with the final stretches of Jonathan's body and hamon, both enhancing DIO's vampiric abilities to the max but also Jonathan's body and therefore his "poison" as well, which is probably why DIO feels like he is high because he essentially is on the drug of hamon. Had DIO have decided to take anyone else's blood to use for his conversion of Jonathan's Body into his (not healing/maintaining status quo, but used specifically to heal beyond the point where the body becomes fully his) I think he probably would have won.

[@nemtons]

interesting video, dubs imo🔥

[@AnyHeroBlake]

Bro had his arms crushed by a vampire Dio and Dio still couldn’t get him to let go. Jonathan solos

[@Bart-g2d]

part 1 was always one of my favorite

[@mythix02]

Finally someone call it. Jonathan is the strongest Jojo in hand to hand combat

[@danteredgrave9574]

Of course he's the strongest, this man is a walking mountain.

[@uppishcub1617]

Jonathan definitely has the highest bench max of any JoJo.

[@BarbarianXD]

He definitely benches 405 Tons.

[@bananabanana484]

I did some eye-balling for Tarcus’ boulder-done thing. It’s looks like about 3 Jonathan’s tall and 5 tarcus shoulders wide (about 18 ft tall and 25 ft wide). That’s about 168 tons conservatively. And Jonathan made him look like a rag doll, with inferior leverage. 480 tons isn’t unreasonable for the guy. He does actually make Star platinum look average, though Star Platinum is way faster (Jonathan got hit by stingy eyes and Star Platinum catches bullets point blank).

[@BarbarianXD]

@@bananabanana484 SP is physically stronger

[@bombthezoms]

Jonathan also has the moral highground he is the good guy in every fight hes in and so has bs plot armor and power to help

[@joinha7169]

Jonathan has some crazy abilitys, deslocating his arms without pain, killing a vampire, its just crazy actually, he survived a house burning and jumping from the balcony, he IS strong asf, with a stand, i fear what the man can do

[@t-wave3161]

Powerscalers are the biggest loosers ever

[@WilliamGunnarsson-r6s]

I agree, they will pull some bs like "this character killed this old man in a wheelchair which puts him at inf strenght because the old man was immortal"

[@peekafch]

Especially with the mental gymnastics they go through to explain why this is better than that. Blah

[@LCTesla]

Your argument that Part 3 Dio is weaker than Part 1 Dio kinda overlooks the crucial fact that he's not alone at that point. Part 3 Dio + The World are clearly stronger than Part 1 Dio. I think Jonathan is somewhere in the ballpark of Joseph, i.e. hopelessly overshadowed by most stand users. I mean Joseph, the only JoJo that compares to Jonathan on a level playing field, beat three absolutely godlike beings that were each arguably as strong as Dio. It's not even obvious Jonathan is stronger than him.

[@MRForca]

1. I said p1 dio is stronger than the world or dio in p3. 2. Jonathan stronger than Joseph 3. Dio has better feats than any of the pillarmen

[@LCTesla]

@@MRForca in the JoJo part 3 OVA Dio says: "A hundred years ago Hamon was a slight problem for me, but now with the power of The World, it's insignificant"

[@MRForca]

@@LCTesla Its in reference to the fact that since he can stop time and use projectiles to attack instead of normal punches.The threat isn't as severe as it would've been normally as he got more time to react. This is displayed when he was hesitant to punch joseph

[@Lestergaming-fe5jm]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@MRForca 1. Stopping time > lasers 2 Johnathan ≥ Joeseph (hardly) 3. Kars > pt1 Dio (not even close) And frankly, how hard a character can hit a wall hardly matters when stands consistently catch, dodge, or slice bullets, (not even mentioning RHCP or MiH) whilst being equally or infinitely stronger than these regular physical characters with swords man

[@MRForca]

@@Lestergaming-fe5jm the video was in reference of strength that’s why I titled it that way. I also explained in the video who beats who. Kara is weaker than dio

[@inazumamati4954]

Im might be a little bit bias but Joseph(Part2) should be stronger than Jonathan because he fought Straizo that was around Dio (Part 1) level even if not stronger and then we have the pillar man that were stated to be completly superior to vampires and Joseph defeated Santana before even having Hamon training and after his training he was able to defeat everyone one of them by just being stronger and being a little lucky.

[@D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_]

Just because he “should” doesn’t mean he “would be”. Listen man, if Araki said it be so, then it is what it is. But nah, he be sayin the one who started it all was the strongest.

[@inazumamati4954]

@@D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_ the shoulds are based on arakis statements like that the pillar man are stronger than dio part 1

[@D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_]

@@inazumamati4954 And yet, What does he say? Jonathan is stronger. Don’t get me wrong, it sounds retarded. Big man really did just put it out there. But I mean… it’s not our fault because, we did get a whole ass fighting game, not necessarily canonical, essentially wanking The JoJo of Part 1.

[@Evil-Fry]

i thought the same, also joseph use of hamon is very versatile and he's so op in terms of inteligence the dude can predict whatever you are going to say next, also the pillar men are stated as vastly stronger than the vampires, but dont listen to me im a huge tomokazu sugita meat rider

[@Unha806]

Dio p1 solos straitzo vampire low diff, When straitzo space stinger eyes cant ever damage joseph,dio cuts the sky and a tower with it, dio always have freezing abilities too.

[@Military_base01]

7:52 No??? The universe reset doesnt harm anyone

[@MRForca]

watch the dio vs jotaro vid i go more indetail there

[@rayoscrost]

in one of the games, jotaro is relieved that jonathan doesn't have a stand because he was too strong

[@BIacklce]

-strongest -gets killed by a head imagine if he had to fight a rat

[@MRForca]

he wants fated to lose. read the manga

[@momopokemon838]

Jonathan is physically stronger than jotaro himself, not star platinum lmao. And part 1 and 3 dio scale below the 4 pillar men physically, only The World surpasses the pillar men physically. Prime Joseph absolutely demolishes part 1 dio, saying dio is stronger than Joseph is a WILD take. Joseph also massively outscales Jonathan

[@swanliszt]

I mean who is stronger a guy who rips out hearts of undead zombies or a relatively normal guy with a punchy ghost

[@momopokemon838]

@@swanliszt a relatively normal guy with a punchy ghost whose punch obliterated dio and the world

[@momopokemon838]

@@swanliszt and a reminder even though jotaro himself cant compare to jonathan and prime joseph, hes till strong, as a kid he was strong enough to beat up a rather muscular man

[@momopokemon838]

@@swanliszt and i still dont know why this is a debate lmao. hamon strength cant compare to the top tier stand strength. not even vampires and zombies strength comes close to star platinum except for ultimate kars. the best feat jonathan has is breaking the metal collar and donuting dio, star platinum clears. and fyi star platinum can rip out hearts of undead zombies too

[@ok-iy6pw]

Wow.. Of all the ways to be wrong you chose all of them. Now that is impressive!

[@Newguyontheinternet]

4:36 are we going to ignore the fact that you don’t include the world in this…

[@MRForca]

watch the other vid in the description. i explain dio without his stand is stronger

[@Newguyontheinternet]

@@MRForca hmmm ok thanks

[@Aimmakes]

W video!!

[@Golden_Official100]

POV: Jonathan Joestar after fighting against a stand capable of stopping time, and still wining: Dang, how strong am I? Jonathan Joestar winning against GER: *Embodiment of god*

[@Golden_Official100]

Jonathan Joestar winning against GO BEYOND: da fak

[@MRForca]

Lmfao

[@Gigameth89]

Idk man, non-Stand users vs. Stand users is...Extremely one sided in the Stand Users favour. Even when regarding mid as hell villain of the day Stands like Aqua Necklace, every Hamon user in the franchise would probably lose. Part 3 DIO would completely obliterate his Part 1 self. Being able to stop time is a massive advantage to have, and it would be twice as horrible for Johnathan, because he wouldn't even know what was happening; considering he doesn't have a Stand and can't see it. He would be overwhelmed in a flurry of attacks and killed before he ever knew what DIO's powers were.

[@Unha806]

Dio p1 has a better regeneration and one space stinger eyes who cuts a entire tower and the sky would kill p3 dio, or he will just freeze his body instantly with his vampires abilities.

[@Wipplecurterr]

Dio certainly did have his vampiric powers, it's his ego. We saw his ego put him in disadvantage spots multiple times. Such as him taking a spear to the hand to show his new powers off, sticking to a wall to watch Jonathan die, only to fall with him into the fire, thinking he won since he broke Jonathan's sword and getting decapitated, and of course losing to Jotaro because his ego got to such a high point he refused to use some of his vampiric abilities.

[@TheAtom1cShadow]

the dio statement is clearly wrong dio saying "this is the greatest high" clearly means he is at his strongest.

[@sirchris6047]

the fact he can stand clash in the game says everything

[@camcan1243]

So The World is Technical Johnathan's stand

[@FinalFullMetalGamer]

So... Jonathan is the strongest because he scales to Peak Dio, but for Joseph you will ignore that he scales to the Pillar Men, all of them who are way stronger than Peak Dio? You will just consider Old Joseph's feats?

[@MRForca]

i don't think the pillermen are stronger than dio. they have no feats suggesting to be on that level besides a trash food chain panel that gets contradicted

[@Nitrogenic]

W JDA scaling remember me when you pass me 😭

[@MRForca]

hush little one

[@therealwhoever]

This is all dependent on Part 1 Dio Brando > part 3 DIO Which honestly I find hard to believe simply because of how busted the world is. Sure his vampirism abilities were always put into question but his strength never was. To say Jonathan scales higher destructively than Star platinum or the world sounds abit too out there. I personally don't see that because of Joseph's existence. You completely gloss over Joseph but hes the direct link to vampires such as Dio Brando. DIO himself says that hamon compared to him now is fodder. This is before greatest high. Joseph part 2 beat a vampire relative to Dio brando and then the pillar men which no matter how you slice it ARE above Dio brando. Sure hamon is underrated and i wish we did see more of it but to say it surpasses stands in strength I just gotta doubt it. But if you are gonna believe this Dio scaling then by all means Joseph and Jonathan (both post zeppeli amp) I guess are the "strongest"? Clickbait video but i thought I'd comment smth since this whole line of scaling is something I've never seen before or would really believe myself

[@therealwhoever]

By all means by your crazy scaling I'd wonder what your arguments and such would be for the pillar men lmao

[@MRForca]

Whatever you believe in the line of scaling or not is up to you. i don't really text debate but ill drop some responds in here right now. 1. he said hamon is fodder compared to himself in part 3 cause he cna stop time and harm joseph through objects to bypass hamon. 2. dio in part 1 is physically stronger than the world and part 3 as i expalined in the video. You got to fully watch it along with the other dio video for context. Straizo is not comparable to dio in strenght or speed. Just cause they got similar abilities doesn't mean they operate on the same level as dio has done nothing but consume lifes and gotten massively stronger while we don't know how mnay lives straizo has eaten. Also i glossed over joseph because he doesn't scale to anyone on jonathans level nor does he scale to dio in part 3 and i went in-depth why jonathan is stronger than that one. The answer you're looking for is literally in the video

[@therealwhoever]

​@jaqcole Dio and Straizo are relative no matter how you put it due to the hierarchy of beings or whatever we learn in part 2. They're both vampires, similar abilities, and such. It can even be implied Araki was tryna show off Joseph's cool new character by putting him up against someone that is on Dio's level immediately. Not to mention the pillar men being directly above this for higher stakes. Same for part 3 DIO is back with a stand and by greatest high is stronger than ever. Part 4 tones it down as Araki's style changes. Again i just don't agree with your scaling of Dio part 1 which breaks this whole line of thought apart

[@therealwhoever]

​@@MRForcayou saying this is the strongest he has ever felt due to stand energy and dio believe with the world that hamon is of no issue to him leads me to again believe stands > hamon. Unless you think Jonathan's hamon is above ulf kars i see no reason as to why it'd be above star platinum. Which is also another thing that breaks your whole line of scaling. You rely so much on statements and comparisons yet the feats for part 1 are so minimal it is hard to believe for me. Like if someone scales part 3 higher than part 1 which most do then yeah this falls apart

[@kdevelopergw]

@@therealwhoever i mean, from a narrative standpoint, yes, straitzo was used to show off how cool the new joestar is and wow he killed a vampire so quickly wow wow but really straitz is nowhere near on Dio's level, because for one, he didn't drink the blood of an entire village like DIO did, he didn't experiment with what his new vampiric body can do (although he does know about the stinger eyes from seeing DIO use them), and he just didn't really have the wits that DIO did.

[@WednesdayMan]

If Jonathan had a stand, he could just use his hamon to fight other people's stands anyway.

[@yrenekurtz5268]

Yeah, I mean the guy managed to beat and very nearly kill a vampire Dio just with the power of his muscles, no superhantural trickery on his side. .

[@BudgingAcorn]

I mean it makes sense as he doesn't need a stand to be strong but if he were to get 1 which people say is hermit purple which I feel blatantly isn't true as dio has jonathans body he may of got something similar to the world but I know it would be strong even if it wasn't the world

[@MRForca]

indeed

[@josuebarba9361]

Lisa Lisa is stated in the manga to have Hamon 3 times stronger than Joseph´s shortly before the Colliseum fight with Wham and Kars, and since it´s assumed she somewhat scales to Straizo and never has a statement that says she stronger than Jonathan, then yes, Jonathan is stronger than Joseph.

[@mikerove15yearsago58]

That’s not how proofs work buddy 😭

[@josuebarba9361]

@@mikerove15yearsago58 Well at least it´s a string of assumptions made with the source material in mind, instead of, Idk believing Pillar Men have Majin-buu levels of regen or something. Edit: forgot to mention it, but Araki Made stat sheets (it's not the Stand stat pages or something like that), for the Joestars parts 1-5, cataloging them by strength, inteligence and such, and Jonathan is stated to have an A in strength while Joseph and Jotaro have a B. So, there you have it.

[@frozenburrito2.087]

Jonathan is also the strongest mentally, so if he had managed to get a stand it’d probably be very OP

[@wasabi5338]

the greatest Jonathan feat in my opinion is the first fight against vampire Dio in the burning mansion. Dio was shown to be ripping off the policemen to shreds with his barehands after his transformation, yet Jonathan managed to tackle him through a brick wall and hold him in place to get him pierced by the statue. And that was without hamon too, just with gentlemanly rugby boxer muscles.

[@flytie3861]

How would Jonathan fare against pucci?

[@delano4526]

In the OVA, Star Platinum threw a pillar from a building in Egypt, not sure if Johnathan can. (Btw I love Johnathan, he’s not my favorite Jojo as a “Joestar” but he is my favorite Jojo as a character if that makes sense)

[@MRForca]

Jonathan beat tarkus who split a cliff

[@ChadOfAllChads]

I always viewed Star Platinum as a manifestation of Jonathons spirit protecting Jotaro from an evil hes familiar with. Joseph? He didnt need his help lol