The "Subs" On Twitter Have Gone Too Far. PLEASE STOP.

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[@SuperAsefasef]

Vaush: starts talking about subs. Shoe: *materializes from the aether*

[@RickyFSeiei]

Shoe hiding in shadow of that tiny corner edge of Vaush Vission.

[@amellirizarry9503]

just to be degraded

[@1urie1]

"Did someone say fish?"

[@redrum86]

hehehe...

[@eliyugend4660]

lol when he told her to shut up she literally had just said "hello"

[@Alex-pn2hn]

So basically, what Vaush is trying to say is... Daddy is NOT happy

[@SA-mo3hq]

Subs: *sploosh*

[@ascii_9727]

Funnily enough I remember him saying he finds daddy play a huge turn-off lol

[@DivinityIncarnate000]

Ohhh, ok, thanks a million! I had no clue what he was saying

[@TatoISR]

Vaush: is tired of subs being subs on Twitter Also Vaush: *makes an entire video degrading all the subs* The subs: 🥵

[@otakusensei3549]

The subs always win, they're just a different kind of troll

[@justaboi4791]

@@otakusensei3549 Hulk, everything you throw at him - he'll get more Hulk

[@theblazingredcomet1954]

Honestly man we are just impossible to kill

[@otakusensei3549]

@@theblazingredcomet1954 even if i was killed i would like it. Burn me alive daddy lmao, jk jk.

[@otakusensei3549]

@@justaboi4791 yeah

[@tythonianmachinima]

I did exactly what Vaush said here. I was using sexual submissiveness to get through a difficult time in my life where I was deeply insecure about myself and needed the constant validation. I got into the first relationship I could with some guy who showed me the Dom energy I wanted... I flew to a different state to get sexually abused, stalked back across state lines and had to move to new location altogether. Dude showed up at my home one day out of the blue from 1500 miles away. I still worry he'll find and kill me or something. Please be safe, subs.

[@kstar1489]

Sometimes I think people mislabel sub and dom and they just mean insecure and attracted to controlling asshole. This is why I don’t like this sub/dom dynamic idea just interring the mainstream lexicon with no actual understanding. The things people associate with these things are just.. unhealthy

[@mrasray7622]

Jesus fucking Christ, I seriously hope you’re okay now, that sounds terrifying

[@lowpolyzoe]

I feel like a lot of people self-IDing as subs are just people who want to have sex but they're virgins and they just want to be taken care of by a more experienced partner, and there's no shame in that but I wish they'd actualize that's what they want

[@infinitivez]

@@kstar1489 To be fair, it's not entirely the act of labeling, it's the acts of some people who abuse sub/dom spaces and let things get out of hand. Like in this case, the man who abused and stalked Xenophorm is at fault here. Xen wanting to be a sub to seek validation at a difficult time in their life might be questionable, but motive doesn't violate social norms of BDSM. A person abusing another, and stalking.. certainly does!

[@R_AM02]

*hugs* I'm really sorry that happened to you, and I hope that your fears never come true. I made a lot of similar dumb mistakes, and I'm just lucky nothing bad has come from them so far, other than the trauma. I wish the very best to yah~

[@hermitcrabof4144]

So your solution to getting the subs to stop was to call them out, shame them, and call them desperate? I don’t think this accomplished what you wanted it to accomplish.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Or it's exactly what he wanted to accomplish. 5D chess moment.

[@Bitzy]

a certified “L” moment

[@otakusensei3549]

It acomplished *exactly* what he wanted it too.

[@ashkebora7262]

Wait, is this implying _all_ subs are in to shame? ... that's just ign'rant.

[@cinnamoon423]

Vaush painting the streets white

[@poposterous236]

Vaush: Gives subs a verbal lashing Subs: oh yes daddy give it to me unnnngggggghhhhhhh

[@VulpineCortex]

Literally me

[@i_forgor__]

pretty much

[@JeepnHeel]

Never thought about it, but "shoe0nhead" takes on a whole new meaning now🤔

[@brycemanasco5473]

Hey! Wait a second!

[@gillesdupouy8357]

I thought it might be a reference to Snowpiercer as well

[@Juhz0r]

1:45 I like how Shoe got yelled at for just saying hello in chat and nothing else.

[@gingermaniac5484]

she knew what she was doing, lol

[@stoyanpetkov3853]

Deserved.

[@OmegaWeaponX2]

Maybe because Vaush knows she's a sub

[@amellirizarry9503]

she got degraded

[@lisarox4221]

Shoe: hello uwu Vaush: *shut up, sub!*

[@somethingsomething9006]

I'm someone who is genuinely as submissive as Twitter subs act, but I'm just far too shy and embarrassed to admit it publicly, and even to willing partners lol

[@BaronChipBaliloo]

Which is understandable, vaysh misses the point that twitter is anonymous, therefore a medium to express ourselves more freely. Kink shaming is not cool vaish ...and frankly in this video he was uncaracteristically mean(?)

[@chefleen1254]

sexually repressed comrade???

[@dynamicworlds1]

This is a really common thing as far as I can tell, and we really need to do better to help people get over that phase. As someone who's never been particularly shy about talking about what I want with partners I'm not the best person to turn to for advice on that, but I see it in a lot of online spaces.

[@LuterofromTx]

Me too

[@somethingsomething9006]

@@Ass_of_Amalek The problem I have is that I fear being seen as some sort of freak or weirdo by the person I'd be telling it to. With prior partners I just try to express that I'm *very* open to whatever experimentation they may want, but I'm too nervous to suggest anything myself out of fear of them thinking lesser of me for those desires. I know that's not a good thing, but I just can't help feeling the way I do. I'm just lucky enough to not so badly desire those things that I feel like I need them. I've functioned perfectly fine in mostly vanilla relationships, because I fully understand it if someone is not really into experimentation. I am, similar to how Twitter subs act, pretty much down to try anything at all that isn't scat, vomit, or blood. However, I get embarassed admitting any of those desires to anyone. I am working on being more open and honest but it's a struggle.

[@drksideofthewal]

You know what's hot? Someone who's confident and dignified in public, but submissive in private. That feels like something special. Subs with no standards are cheap.

[@julianbell9161]

Vowsh should have been like “I really respect subs for being strong people not afraid to express themselves online regardless of potential backlash. I greatly respect them for what they do, I think it takes a lot of strength and confidence to do that.” Now that would make subs upset and mad then reconsider their choices

[@christinevolel2519]

what if they have a praise kink

[@mrnubnub4584]

@@christinevolel2519 Pfffffft subs with a praise kink. lololololololol

[@alejandrorivas4585]

@@mrnubnub4584 IVE SEEN IT

[@DoodOverThere]

As someone who works in domestic violence injunctions. That fear of sub getting taken advantage of IRL due to lack of actual experience is all too common

[@DereBear]

Don’t fuck with Doms that aren’t heavy into communication, that’s lesson number 1, from other Doms I may add! People need to not be afraid to talk and communicate about kink so that stuff doesn’t happen

[@kstar1489]

@@DereBear and unfortunately that requires a level of confidence and assertiveness that many subs don’t have and they just attribute to “being a sub”. But being a sub actually requires not being very “submissive”. This is why I don’t like the idea of someone making it a personality thing. “Sub” is a role, not an integral personality or identity. It’s part of you but being submissive in bed doesn’t have to translate to being “sub” all the time (and often people just call insecurity being a sub). People tie way too much into these sexual roles. People forget many things our culture labels as being dominant or submissive can actually just not be good or healthy things.

[@martinteel]

Which twitter subs are these? Asking for a friend...er science....er the science of friendship.

[@dynamicworlds1]

Walking red flags Seriously, subs worth seeking out don't behave like this on Twitter.

[@R_AM02]

I was one of the subs losing it during this convo because almost everything he said directly applied to me, and I didn't ask nor was I really ready for the therapy. I'm getting better, which I'm happy about, but everyone be careful. don't make the mistakes I did, you're worth so much more than you know

[@NeoKingGhidorah]

I honestly prefer dubs

[@PoppyDiabolique]

Can I just say that this joke deserves more likes?

[@MissyGail4eva]

I was always partial to rubs..sometimes in tubs..

[@EdenLippmann]

I think this is kind of a bad take from Vaush, for one reason: the problem is not that it's shameless, it's that it's _harassment._ They don't need more humility, they need to respect people's boundaries.

[@beeppboopp]

Yeah, this. It's 100% okay if you want to be shameless and horny and subby and shit on twitter, but if someone else isn't comfortable with it, then don't approach them/do that to them

[@dynamicworlds1]

It's both.

[@EdenLippmann]

@@dynamicworlds1 Yes, but the harassment is the problem.

[@bigpooper4156]

Tru

[@bigpooper4156]

I've had ppl do this shit to me when I was 16, who didn't stop when I told them I was a minor. To me that's unforgivable

[@otakusensei3549]

Subs with degradation and praise kinks r unbeatable.

[@cowtzu]

Pro Trump subs on TikTok been realizing this it's scary

[@otakusensei3549]

@@Ass_of_Amalek indeed

[@otakusensei3549]

@@cowtzu ayo wtf, hell naw. Its time for some sub on sub action.

[@dynamicworlds1]

"Unbeatable" ...um, phrasing?

[@otakusensei3549]

@@dynamicworlds1 hehe

[@theletterm1787]

The only person to flawlessly pull off wearing a cowboy hat is Nico Robin in her Miss All Sunday days

[@gabriellabelle3915]

Timotht Oliphant as raylan givens in justified crushes it as well Though miss all Sunday will always have my heart

[@owenpk5735]

Fuck yeah

[@trevor894]

Only with the 4kids accent ;) hahah

[@charcole400]

Nah Dave filoni did it well

[@captainozseul3050]

Miss sunday was mega lit

[@Eveliane]

When I saw the title, I wanted to make a joke about people who were sexually submissive, not expecting the video to actually be about them...

[@otakusensei3549]

Me too

[@verager2493]

Vaus never deals with doms. Showing his privilege, really. The number of them that think they can just get away with doing nothing to please their partners is... depressing. Granted, the subs he talks about enable this behavior, so it's a vicious cycle.

[@cowtzu]

Subs: he didn't bludgeon me over the head, he literally did nothing to please me

[@KZ-xt4hl]

@@cowtzu get a better joke

[@swagmund_freud6669]

The number of subs that think they can just get away with doing nothing to please their partners is... depressing.

[@fedos]

I love how chat just fixated on the cowboy hats.

[@reform-revolution]

chat is half magpie ..... short attention span and hyper fixates on shiny things

[@stuffroom979]

As someone who doesn't use Twitter I have no idea what's going on here

[@asgerradmerjensen9190]

Based

[@magnus_cockstrong]

As I approached 30 I began to realize that almost everything I mistook for confidence in other people was actually bravado, covering for insecurity.

[@greensquare6235]

This is so true, but try to articulate or elaborate on this and you'll be eaten alive. It's like the ground beneath them just disappears when they realise their tactics are only effective on idiots and other insecure people. They must maintain the illusion not just for others but for themselves as well. What a terrible way to go through life.

[@NeiZaMo]

As someone who is quite sexually submissive myself I find Vaush's view of subs a bit strange. To me, the whole appeal of submitting is the of relinquishment of control, to let down my guard so that I can enjoy my partners affection. If I wasn't a reserved, guarded and headstrong person normally, submiting sexually wouldn't be special and sexy to me.

[@12DAMDO]

"shut up shoe, not now" actually now is the perfect time for shoe to get involved

[@FafliXx]

I do think a lot of them aren't even really that sub and are just bottoms who are meming. Because a lot of them appear a lot more bratty-playful than actually submissive and are just leaning into it because it's funny.

[@coffinfeeder7732]

Yeah but it’s fucking annoying.

[@Swolidarity]

It’s been over half a year and this is still relevant

[@randalhopkins9984]

this has been true for years now

[@dinodare1605]

I really wish they kept dislikes so I could see how many people got angry from this.

[@siavashpurfallah3552]

There's a plugin you can use. Only works on desktop browsers tho

[@KZ-xt4hl]

I am not even a sub and this vid was stupid....like I am ok with criticizing the harassment aspect of it some subs do cross boundaries.....but criticizing someone for "being shameless"....this is stupid

[@jingermcblabbersnitch7162]

vuahs getting more spicy with his takes now that dislikes are off...

[@FuDiggity]

This is 1000% what the twitter subs wanted.

[@Nuvizzle]

Gotta disagree with Vaush on why you don't see this behavior from "doms." I don't think it's a disparity in social awareness at all - the "subs" who do this shit are COMPLETELY aware of what they're doing. The reason "doms" don't do it is because they don't have a humiliation fetish. Everyone doing this on a public forum is wholly aware that it's extremely embarrassing, it's just the fact that it's extremely embarrassing that gets them off.

[@korsoredeemed4893]

I don't think doms don't do it just because they don't have a humiliation fetish. I think it's for multiple reasons. One of which, for example, could be shame. Being a dom and admitting to it, can also be a very shameful thing if you are self aware. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but lets stop speaking in stereotypes. Not all subs and doms are their cliches. I think that a lot of times you don't see this from doms because this kind of behaviour is often frowned apon and heavily criticised in the public sphere. I think many draw the line between their sexual fantasies and who they are outside of these fantasies.

[@aphoxema]

Also doms don't have to go fishing when the fish are flying into their laps

[@Siberius-]

Not all subs have a humiliation fetish... and not all of them are at all embarrassed by their behaviour, and they often shouldn't be (depending on the specifics. Often it's mainly shitposting, and not all of the people shitposting are even subs). Doms aren't openly doing this stuff because that would be seen as fucked up behaviour because it would be misconstrued as them being a shitty controlling problematic person in general who should not be around women at all. That's not really the image people want to put out there. With subs it's about themselves, not what they do "to" other people per se, but with doms it's about their dynamics with other people in a more direct and controlling way (not to say that subs don't involve other people with their posting, but the behaviour is less concerning in society as far as how people generally look at the two). Also there's just so much more funny creativity that can be had when it comes to being a sub, like whenever you criticise them, that just feeds into it (like this whole video), which is interesting and funny. There's a lot of social fun that can be had, because no matter how people react, it kind of feeds back into it (at least one can act like that either way). If doms had some kind of more socially acceptable behaviour that is more about their own feelings that could be used in creative ways, then that would also be seen I think. I think the humiliation has very little to do with it overall as far as what we're seeing online, but it's certainly an element that exists out there, for some people much more than others.

[@korsoredeemed4893]

@@Siberius- I think there's also an interesting element, though again, we shouldn't generalise because it isn't ALWAYS the case. But ironically, there can be a lot of safety and power with subs (especially if they are healthy and self aware). In many of these relationships, they are the ones who set the limits of how far it can go, and the boundaries. They are the ones who usually ask for things to stop, and have an incredible amount of control on the severity of what happens to them, and what they can get put through. Being a dom can actually be very vulnerable, and being able to admit to, and recognise why you are a dom can be fairly difficult and humbling. Joking about it, or frivolising it would not be as easy to them as it is for subs. Though both control the rules of engagement for pleasure, a big part of it comes from security. The subs find security and a sense of emotional freedom from being controlled. If decisions are being made for you, you are free from responsabily and the exhausting nature of having to exert oneself. They find freedom in their lack of control. Doms tend to find security in asserting their control, because it is their way of asserting and establishing a sense of security and freedom they struggle to find elsewhere. Even those who act Dom within their social lives often do so as a deeprooted fear of being controlled themselves, of being hurt, of being humiliated or seen as vulnerable. The facade of power is to escape the deep sense of powerlessness they feel inside, and struggle to admit to themselves. To me, it's kinda obvious that Doms don't go around doing this stuff because, just like subs, you can easily see through it, and most of them know this. Exposing themselves this way kinda goes against their nature.

[@Siberius-]

​@@korsoredeemed4893 - I do think it's very important for a sub to know what they want, how to effectively communicate their desires and boundaries, knowing how they should be treated and how to stand up for themselves with how they should be treated, inside and outside of the bedroom. Being a sub, sure as hell doesn't mean just letting go of the reigns and handing them to somebody who has "dom-energy" who is hopefully not being confused with just being a shitty person of a certain variety. There's also the question of whether one wants that energy in the bedroom, or if they also want it outside of the bedroom. I don't think a domineering person is often going to make for a good relationship partner... if they always embody that trait. Relationships require a lot of teamwork. THOUGH, it really depends on the BDSM action in question. A lot of sub-dom BDSM is absolutely about teamwork and great communication and respecting and knowing the boundaries, and a dom that can navigate and perform that role responsibly, would likely be great in a general relationship (plus, I think those ones are far more likely to not be abusive people in general). Back to the start there, if a sub is using BDSM as a way to confront things in a way where they have control, then it makes total sense for them to have the true-reigns (I still need to learn more about this part though as it pertains to potential trauma and such). What you said about security is very interesting. So maybe doms would often try to be in control as much as they can in a relationship outside of the bedroom... though I imagine a lot of them understand that it's not in their best interest to do that, even though that's how they feel most comfortable, so the bedroom is where that behaviour can be, since they would have restrictions on themselves outside of the bedroom, not just because of fitting into society. Maybe! what would I know.

[@Alpha1200]

Not gonna lie, I primarily watched this video to see Shoe respond to this in chat and I was not disappointed.

[@Leppa10]

What did she say?

[@SA-mo3hq]

"I'm sorry, fish daddy"

[@cctomcat321]

@@Leppa10 "hello Vaush and chat".

[@Leppa10]

@@cctomcat321 Lol just for that???

[@cctomcat321]

@@Leppa10 you mean the "shut up shoe" by Vaush or the OPs reason to watch? The former, yes, the latter, not sure. Think she also said "sub supremacy", but Shoe doesn't strike me as a sub.

[@secutorprimus]

This sounds... pretty terminally online.

[@youdoyouidome7452]

To be fair it is literally specifically about online twitter subs

[@dynamicworlds1]

If you mean the behaviour of horny posting twitter subs, yes, it is.

[@AndromanKaya]

Vowsh says doms are superior, I feel validated.

[@shuumatsunojoshua]

I'm a switch; Doms are def better than subs.

[@swagmund_freud6669]

Subs bad! Subs bad! Subs bad!

[@Allison_Hart]

I don't think it's actually about "submissive people being cringy and dominant people having the social awareness to not behave like this online." I think it's more that people realized, acting submissive is the only way they can express their pent-up sex drive online, without getting canceled for being a creep. Because if you are talking about wanting to fuck someone, then you are the "actor" rather than the "acted upon." That's part of why cat-calling is so creepy, because typically someone is shouting all the obscene things they want to DO TO another person. So, some people realized they can say whatever they want, as long as they flip it on its head. If they turn themselves into the sexual object - the "acted upon." They can express their sexuality without accidentally coming across as predatory, because they are the prey.

[@hopeeternal7470]

DemonMama was right. This was a self-report.

[@Cobalt985]

Weird question, where did she say that? I missed the last few streams

[@a.s.o.p.5130]

Twitter subs would literally post "hhhhhnnnnnggggg😩😩😩😩" to a video of someone being beat to death

[@Jarjarbinks683]

It was really late at night and about two years ago okay, give me a break already.

[@a.s.o.p.5130]

@@Jarjarbinks683 sure 🙄🙄

[@evilhomer250]

I'm so annoyed by coomers on the internet, and they're magnified if you're in the anime community. It makes me embarrassed to be an anime fan.

[@SA-mo3hq]

This is the perfect trap. There's no response Vaush could have given that wouldn't have soaked a subs pants.

[@kazamajack1091]

Not going to lie, I think Vaush is just kind of being socially unaware with this. I may not look too much at... the subs on twitter he's discussing, or have seen the original "d i s c o u r s e" but from what I've seen, and from how it's being described, these just sound like sub jokes to me? Like, if someone is being mean to you and your response is "Oh, hit me daddy *pensive emoji*" It's not really... horny posting IMO? I don't know, I legitimately think this is being extrapolated to be more than it really is to the point where it feels like Vaush is shaming people for casually hinting at their sexuality. I genuinely don't think this is that serious. you can say those jokes are over done, or otherwise unfunny, but that's separate from saying people have an emotional defect. Like, come on man lmao. Just wear a cross and call them degenerates at that point.

[@swagmund_freud6669]

Ever been told that if you're being bullied to tell your very homophobic bully that hitting you is making your dick hard? It's one of the most classic tricks in the book!

[@stoneman472]

Vaush: *Exhausted Ranting* Chat: Oh yeah Daddy we've been bad!

[@aphoxema]

I feel the same and I stopped telling people because I keep getting blasted for it. I'm trans so naturally I either get to be surrounded by catgirls or truscum. I guess the truscum are worse, and I definitely had a sexually desperate phase as I came to terms with my new social status, but it's exhausting when I have no libedo now and I'm surrounded by catgirl-in-heat stereotypes. Just stfu and take it to tinder or keep it in your polycule or whatever

[@longlongtran]

god yea, so many trans girls go through the horny catgirl phase as they adjust to the uhhh, idk, sociosexual aspects of femininity. i definitely did as well, but eventually i realized its kinda cringe and also makes trans people look bad. like its hard to argue that im not a pervert when im also being horny on main. and yea now that im on a higher hrt dose, it do be a little alienating being a non horndog in certain online queer space

[@jessiemiller880]

I'm not educated on this discourse.

[@MoonshineH]

Yes, call me desperate again HNNGGGGGGGG

[@kristinajones1066]

As someone who fell for the first Dom she met and was in a 4 year relationship where I lost everything, was assaulted, and just generally have to restart my life, I can confirm. That said: PuNiSh me MoRE DaDdY VOWsh

[@ShroomRPG]

FINALLY someone is saying it I hate how you will get called creepy for engaging in the 'chad' form of hornyposting, but the subs are getting away with way worse, way more cringeworthy shit, I WILL NOT BE MORALLY LECTURED BY SOMEONE ENGAGING IN ASTERISK ROLEPLAY ON THE TIMELINE

[@Sgt-Wolf]

"your boos mean nothing! I've seen what makes you cheer!"

[@quetzalthegamer]

Shoe showing up in the chat is the best part of this. Lol

[@sweetchocolatesecret]

Listen y'all, you can be a sub and have standards... Try online roleplay on a ROLEPLAY website! Helped my get it out if me system~ 👍🏾

[@dynamicworlds1]

This! 100% Please people, just go to a place specifically for it and just look for people who want it. If you're just throwing yourself at absolutely everyone constantly even in non-lewd spaces you're being annoying, displaying absolutely no standards or self respect (which, spoilers, is not actually attractive), showing boundary issues (which is a giant red flag to anyone actually into BDSM, because it's indicative behavior of those who have problems with SSC and actually using safewords), and you're blending in with vanilla people who are either just joking or using submissive aestetics in a desperate bid for attention. If you're desperate and taking this stuff to Twitter, you're desperate _because_ you're taking this stuff to Twitter. Online spaces to RP and/or educate yourself abound. DISCLAIMER: only for over 18. If you're under 18, the closest thing you should ever get to ERP with another person is single player games. That's for everyone involved's protection. There is plenty of drawn, written, and/or coded material to keep you occupied for a few years, I promise.

[@christopherjustice6411]

I kind of feel like sub posting at someone without their consent is really creepy.

[@namelesscompadre4095]

Oh noes Vaushy Waushy, don't call us out UwU. The humiliation, we can't take it, AAHNN!

[@chocolatedoughnut1305]

He’s completely right, we like some things and don’t like others lol

[@Busshhu]

i think the reason we're like this is because most of us have been incredibly sexually repressed our entire lives and are finally able to express ourselves. maybe for some people it might be insecurity, but for me it's my newfound freedom to be who i am, and god be fucking damned if i'm not gonna be who i am unapologetically.

[@GradyBroyles]

you do realize that this video is only going to make them more determined. You're presenting them with a challenge. Don't say I didn't warn you.

[@christain9696]

Never before have I been so offended by something I one hundred percent agree with...

[@kittencorp.3295]

Vosh burning bridges with shoe I see

[@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869]

This is why i love being a switch

[@brycemanasco5473]

You know your self worth AND get to trade off holding someone with the one being held. And i don't care what your label is, sometimes it's nice to be held

[@shuumatsunojoshua]

@@brycemanasco5473 *Exactly.*

[@typhoonic]

"why not both?" is almost always the correct answer to life's greatest questions

[@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869]

@@typhoonic fascism or socialism?

[@mia-rx1zk]

Maybe the subs on twitter into Female lead relationships wouldn't be so desperate if the concept was supported literally anywhere in the world, but it's not. (unless you're Female on female, like lesbian relationships.) The idea of female subs being desperate for a male dom though is funny, the world is literally a male dominated place, most males are dominant by default due to how they are nurtured. It's not hard to get a male dominant, it's pretty tricky to get a female one though, since the world is so religiously dominated and we know religion likes to put men above women... But yeah, acting desperate won't get you anywhere, but good luck getting these individuals to actually listen to you. I wonder if Vaush would make a video on how FLR is taboo or shameful, but MLR is so supported it's shoved down our throats daily...

[@coolioschoolio4359]

@@Ass_of_Amalek publicly, but I’m pretty sure they mean sexual.

[@mia-rx1zk]

@@Ass_of_Amalek "Whipped" is not the same as being submissive. That is your misunderstanding, you're welcome.

[@kstar1489]

@@Ass_of_Amalek no it’s not let’s be real, it’s the norm for men to at least perform being “dominant” in relationships and sex.

[@kstar1489]

Tbh that’s part of why I don’t like this normalization of bdsm in the mainstream. It’s just let’s people not question their own desires of “domination” and “submission” and just say it’s a kink. Mixing something that needs introspection and clear lines of consent and the ability to communicate needs into a mainstream that is not good at any of that. It just feels so shitty to me how common degradation of women and “domination” of them in bed is so normalized and of course women will internalize it. And now it’s just kink so we can’t question it or try to fight for less domination and degradation centered portrayals in places like porn or whatever. Tbh I don’t think we can have honest exploration when it’s so tied into sexism and normalized in that way. Then you get people thinking women are naturally more submissive. It’s all confusing and irritating. As a woman it bugs me how much this stuff seeps into my head even though I don’t want it to and desire something else, but it ends up just entering and messing with your head. The idea of being a desirable woman being tied to being submissive is just so prevalent in small ways and it’s sad tbh. Even things like femdom in porn it’s still centered on the man’s pleasure. Idk it’s a mess

[@kstar1489]

@@Ass_of_Amalek you’re discussing the conflicting narratives in many straight relationships. It is true that men often expect to be taken care of by a woman almost like a child, but they ALSO expect to be the head of the household and be dominant. It’s contradictory on some levels but it’s absolutely part if putting men above women. I mean having a person essentially take care of and serve you it ultimately in many ways putting yourself above them and “dominating” them. Really a lot of actions are neutral until you add a certain context. A lot of things are not inherently dom or sub until you add a context around it.

[@trashrabbit69]

Subs be like: *goes underwater* i can't handle the pressure 😩😩😩

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

I just interpret all sub behaviour as memes.

[@Cobra0798]

Doms 100% do that, just not on twitter since it is pretty socially taboo to say you get off to spanking, whipping, degrading, or humiliating women

[@Cobra0798]

@@illybee3 i guess so, but I said this because vaush was making it seem like they don't do it because they're more mature and know not to subject people to their kinks in public. They are just as horny as the rest of us, they just send unsolicited horny dms to unsuspecting women on social media platforms like twitter and reddit instead of horny posting on main.

[@BaronChipBaliloo]

Bro let people enjoy their kinks

[@reform-revolution]

nah these degenerates need to be punished for their weakness ......

[@darkmetal2412]

Sub: Please papa Vaush continue to degrade me! Lol

[@hellboy30098]

Sometimes I think Vaush needs to step away from twitter and just get a hug. That's all I think he needs

[@eye-chan1711]

Yeah!! How the hell am I supposed to find a dommy mommy when there are only subs on twitter?

[@lamikiminach9503]

Eh I don’t use Twitter but I’m general doms are pretty pushy and sometimes creepy, and spam u with dic pics like I think both can be annoying.

[@jacobjohnston3983]

Desperation is a stinky perfume

[@verbatim7508]

Out of the two instances in which the broken clock of conservatism has been allowed to be right, one of them is that being publicly hypersexual is, in fact, extremely cringe, and definitely makes you an obnoxious person.

[@YokaiGotha]

Annoying subs are my fav tho

[@BreadDefender]

I feel broadly gestured at

[@snidget217]

Holy shit it’s you

[@BreadDefender]

@@snidget217 holy shit it’s snidget I’m your biggest fan

[@supershinigami1]

No normal person will ever understand whatever this topic is supposed to be.

[@listerinemouthwash415]

Lmao yeah that's why this vid is great

[@beryll3556]

There aren't enough doms to satisfy all of those subs

[@TKtheAnimal]

I'm at MFF right now, I'm a dom top... This is very cathartic.

[@brianallen4618]

Vaush knows what he’s doing here.

[@blod40]

I feel personally attacked…

[@MidoriMushrooms]

I am hella guilty of this and I'm going to keep doing it because being annoying is my favorite passtime.

[@SATOhara3173]

Critical Sub Theory must be stopped.

[@conniescurse7325]

I think this take just comes from vaush being super online or following the wrong people, like I don't feel like excessive bottom posting is a problem on any of my feeds, and I know tons of bottoms.

[@slashb7836]

I see some bottomposting, but I see it from the horny side of my feed, not really the leftist side of my feed.

[@ownbrandcola2257]

This is basically the only take of his I disagree with. Not that desperate subs online aren’t cringe, but saying that subs are dealing with trauma or insecurity or that trans subs are subs so they can experience sex “as a woman” is kind of fucked.

[@mehdisilini7296]

Dayum, gotta give it to Vaush, not everyone is willing to go that hard on their subscribers.

[@TheLasase]

I was here for the bigotry

[@cbunny6671]

It's unironically non-consentual forced interaction. Same shit that flashers do, they get off on the disgust.

[@double2helix]

Another day of thanking God for not making me a twitter user

[@nanodragon907]

Vaush mad at sub-power

[@suhasnair19]

I think vaush likes to make fun of subs because he knows they like it when someone like him humiliates them

[@12DAMDO]

i will flag this video under sexually explicit content, Vaush is a humiliatrix now

[@mori-2518]

Cowboy hats are absolutely repulsive

[@Siberius-]

My response to a guy saying it's just a humiliation thing: Not all subs have a humiliation fetish... and not all of them are at all embarrassed by their behaviour, and they often shouldn't be (depending on the specifics. Often it's mainly shitposting, and not all of the people shitposting are even subs). Doms aren't openly doing this stuff because that would be seen as fucked up behaviour because it would be misconstrued as them being a shitty controlling problematic person in general who should not be around women at all. That's not really the image people want to put out there. With subs it's about themselves, not what they do "to" other people per se, but with doms it's about their dynamics with other people in a more direct and controlling way (not to say that subs don't involve other people with their posting, but the behaviour is less concerning in society as far as how people generally look at the two). Also there's just so much more funny creativity that can be had when it comes to being a sub, like whenever you criticise them, that just feeds into it (like this whole video), which is interesting and funny. There's a lot of social fun that can be had, because no matter how people react, it kind of feeds back into it (at least one can act like that either way). If doms had some kind of more socially acceptable behaviour that is more about their own feelings that could be used in creative ways, then that would also be seen I think. I think the humiliation has very little to do with it overall as far as what we're seeing online, but it's certainly an element that exists out there, for some people much more than others.

[@artemisameretsu6905]

Homie need to spend more time on tumblr 😂 them doms ain't got no shame lmao

[@otakusensei3549]

Every time vaush shit on the twitter subs they just got hornier in the chat.

[@tarth74]

real talk, being a guy and sumbissive IRL is a good way to get yourself ostracized social media is one of the few places where men can be open with the preferences. that's why they're so desperate.

[@angelicreinforcement3373]

That makes no sense. You know you can CHOOSE who to discuss that with, right?

[@tarth74]

@@angelicreinforcement3373 true but most of the time the only choices you have are of people who wouldn't understand or would think less of you or, again straight up ostracize you. There is a very real and pervasive cultural bias against submissive men and most people you'll meet will have been influenced by it.

[@angelicreinforcement3373]

@@tarth74 hm, I obviously can't speak to your experiences, but as someone with a kink of their own (feet), I've never experienced this. Must suck to have people react that way! It's not something I feel a deep need to discuss with a lot of people, though- just close friends and sexual partners I feel would be OK with it

[@angelicreinforcement3373]

@@tarth74 I would also say that the thing Vaush is criticising is not just discussing it, but actually, in a sense, performing it online

[@mattiassollerman]

@@angelicreinforcement3373 I'd say being submissive/dominant is more than a kink. It's a lens through which all relationships and kinks are expressed. This is part of the problem, being submissive is conceptualized as a fetish, and while that might be true for some, for many being submissive defines how they relate to others. Otherwise I agree with you, and I agree with Vaush 100%.

[@cathcat5992]

You could have just @'d Shoe

[@helxeen2607]

I only roleplay with people I know and not some random people. Which I do get some random people trying to roleplay with me where it feels really weird. But I need to say this if you are going to RP please ask in like a DM and or do it with people you know and people are okay with it, just don't do it with random people. Please don't make it weird, for everyone's sake please.

[@thenotsodiscretewolf2098]

I've never even seen left Twitter but i generally don't really use Twitter or fb tho. messing with the prageru fans on fb is funny. Hey I've even made one back off on a god debate. 😂

[@dynamicworlds1]

Staying off twitter and FB is based and self-care pilled.

[@Kiss_My_Aspergers]

That is a veritable _flood_ of KEKW (well, Vaush's version of it) after Shoe showed up and got instantly silenced by Vaush. The reactions are sometimes as funny as the thing that caused them.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Subs are degen, free viewers only good viewers.

[@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected]

And there we have it. Right from the horse's mouth. Vaush think subs are unnatural

[@vaultdude4871]

Just say you want to be dominated by their soft uwu presence, that usually does the trick.

[@WraithThorns]

I mean, if you're going to be nsfw on twitter, have a dedicated nsfw account.

[@otakusensei3549]

Vaush: you r fucking desperate Me: YEEEEEEES DADDY

[@dogearflopper7011]

Chat needs therapy.