Skryim Isn't A Good Game

[@morgenroete8789]

love how this is already more divisive than any recent political take

[@pjfett44]

honestly I think some of his takes on media are the worst thing about vaush, politically i generally agree with almost everything, but damn his takes on minecraft especially are garbage.

[@ascii_9727]

@@pjfett44 his media takes are the best, I get so much shit in my group of friends for having essentially the same takes and seeing chat go "nooooo reeee" whenever he shits on a bland, uninteresting media franchise is hilarious

[@billieeisenhower406]

l'm seething in this comment section.

[@martymcflyy6775]

His media takes are hit and miss.

[@nigeladams8321]

@@martymcflyy6775 I don't know, between this and his dismissal of all music but anime music as not good is kind of cringe

[@Pluveus]

The modding community is proof that people will perform labor without coercion if they're invested in the thing they're laboring over.

[@-Mushroom_Kid-]

This is true I’ve had the pleasure and sometimes curse of working with the nexus community People like war daddy and hitman along with bigger mod projects for NV and Skyrim Anyways my position is always that enaision singlehandedly added years to Skyrim replay ability with his Roleplay mechanic focused mods Obviously there are others but Enai has a lot of work out there that people still use and regard as some of Skyrim’s best mods

[@DieNibelungenliad]

Only in a socialist economy will all workers do work for want instead of for need. Skyrim modders are the model lol

[@kronikkronolov9793]

Oh yeah, people invented whole new worlds and keep these games replayable for years absolutely for free.

[@JasonWilliams89]

Good luck getting people to clean toilets and do manual labour

[@-Mushroom_Kid-]

@@JasonWilliams89 I actually am a janitor at a school because I enjoy it it’s therapeutic not everyone has the “gimme” mindset I get paid and get benefits but I legit don’t care about money beyond rent and food if that was provided you could just give me spending money

[@batgal5471]

Vaush being anti-Minecraft has made me a reactionary conservative

[@kx7500]

I am now a nazi

[@euphorictick1030]

Heil HEROBRINE!

[@xyzdestruction]

HE WHAT! ok that’s it I’m going back to watching the quartering first Skyrim now Minecraft smh

[@bluebird5173]

I used to be a liberal, but then Vaush said ef Minecraft. So much for the tolerant left! Now I'm a paleo conservative libertarian for freeze peach and the free marketplace of ideas!

[@ImaginaryMdA]

based and correctpilled.

[@Kipp274]

I hate how everyone is so damn friendly. No matter if you're joining the thieves guild or the assassins. They're just like "Oh, we don't know you, but we accept you as one of us after some minor errands!".

[@nisranders7065]

If you're looking for a more immersive or "realistic" rpg I highly recommend the gothic series by German developer piranha bytes, especially the first two parts. Granted these games are more than 20 years old by now and that is definitely noticeable with the graphics and the controls but almost no game comes close to them in terms of immersion and feeling of progression. As to the people being always friendly, the first game starts with you getting thrown into a prison colony and then getting punched in the face by the first person you meet and the games overall have a much more grounded feel to them.

[@turntt7847]

this is old but in morrowind you can join the thieves guild 2 minutes into the game by just talking to one person

[@Kipp274]

@@nisranders7065 Yea I played Gothic I and it was awesome. Well, it's basically a prison haha. Theres one bar in the blue camp (forgot all the names) and they were so mean to me that after I got high leveled, I went back and slaughtered everyone in there. Such a good feeling.

[@charlesbarnett8043]

​@@nisranders7065 I play Arcania the complete take I beat fall of setariff and an on new game

[@co2_os]

I don't know you and I don't care to know you

[@nolanstauffer9405]

"The one with the performatively masculine voice" narrows it down to all the male characters

[@SCh1m3ra]

With the voice he offered, I think it was Generic Nord 1/Guardsman/Jarl Balgruuf/Male Blacksmith The boys and an occasional milk-drinker who spoke in the back of their throat as best they could between the occasional sweet roll.

[@rickwallace5806]

"You call yourself a Nord!"

[@BoleDaPole]

It's crazy how Bethesda cheaped out on voice acting like holy shit hire more than 2 fucking actors

[@i_am_an_idiot_but]

I died it was so accurate

[@daddykarlmarx6183]

Well like 90% of male nords were voiced by 1 dude and the rest was when they brought the elf guy to voice the bards lmao

[@skarrx2416]

Confession: I was the guy who brought up about why Vaush should play Skyrim instead of Metro Last Light, that night. Someone in chat, before the stream started, showed that Bethesda were remastering Skyrim for the 100th time and I thought it would be funny if all of us convinced Vaush to play that game instead. Little did I know, it ended up being a 20 minute rant about why he hated that game xD

[@AliAsghar-cv3og]

He needs to try Skyrim VR

[@MinerJo1001]

Thank you for the content lmao

[@daimyo3074]

You...... You did this....

[@kennethk.5464]

I enjoyed the segment, o7 you beautiful stunlocker.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

It just works

[@bellyOfaTiger]

"Ok, I SWEAR I'm gonna play a different style of character this time." "Aaaaaand I'm playing a two handed sword wielding sneaky archer Argonian again."

[@TheMadTurtle]

Ni**a just put skill points in the ones you have in mind for your build. You'll end up shifting away from the sneaky archer healer to the playstyle you want instead.

[@jo0rd73]

I just decided to go god mode with my character after my like third play through (Skyrim was a special interest when I was young as it was my first proper RPG) and used every weapon and magic type but fighting a dragon I would always use the master lighting spell and just kill them before they land being a god is so boring in the game

[@CuateVolador]

Imo, the only way to play it differently in a new run is roleplaying as an actual real character and trying to guess their choices, I actually had a blast roleplaying as Thrall last tine i play it, but almost all the fun was in my head and almost all the time i was like "i'm gonna do what i always do here but no, i'm Thrall"

[@KrowwJaeger]

@@CuateVolador yup, exactly

[@KrowwJaeger]

I dual wielding daedric blades with double elemental enchantment is amazing though. Paired with the nightingale armor and your character will look super badass

[@ProfessorTurnipAlpha]

An aggressive decade-long marketing campaign and a vibrant modding community is a big reason as to why we're still talking about Skyrim, not necessarily because it's a masterpiece.

[@justinlacek1481]

At the time, it really was a masterpiece. Base Skyrim did a lot of things that we hadn't really seen done before, or done well (outside of like Fallout). In fact, the base game, if we're talking raw features/mechanics/gameplay, beats out a lot of newer titles. How many homes can you own and improve in Cyberpunk 77? How many playable species are in thd Mass Effect games? In Red Dead 2, how many options do you have for dealing with guards when they come to arrest you? The game has an insane amount of creative freedom in how the player approaches it and offers still one of the best roleplaying experiences you can find. Even the crafting system, where you could level up enough to create almost any armor, amulet, weapon, etc. *and* add special effects was something we hadn't ever seen done that well before outside of maybe some MMOs. Mods helped a lot, but that's not what *made* Skyrim. An easy way to see this is to contrast the legacy of Skyrim with that of Fallout 4. One of these games had a legendary impact on the gaming industry.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@justinlacek1481 And what of that wasn't present in Oblivion or Morrowind? The housing stuff in the base game was very rudimentary.

[@justinlacek1481]

@@zacheryeckard3051 The point is that Skyrim did all that way better, and it's not really a knock against the game if your counter-example is a game in that same series. That's like me saying Halo Reach's Forge isn't impressive because Halo 3 had it. Again - How many homes can I buy in Cyberpunk 2077? Can I bribe a guard or persuade them in Red Dead 2? How many hire-able mercenaries are in The Witcher 3? Can my Shepard or Ryder be a different species in Mass Effect? I could literally go on and on. I guarantee, you'll be hard-pressed to find a non-Bethesda or Fallout title with a package as complete as base skyrim. Skyrim did all of this shit in 2011. This is pre-Witcher 3, pre-Divinity 2. Pre-DA Inquisition. Pre-Bannerlord. Nier didn't exist back then, and neither did Horizon Zero

[@Incurafy]

@@justinlacek1481 This just sounds like you'd never played an RPG before Skyrim lmao.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@justinlacek1481 Dragon Age: Origins or the various CRPGs or the *older* Elder Scrolls games did things better, IMO. Skyrim's advantage was that it was prettier Oblivion, but still felt more shallow.

[@OzMediaOfficial]

oh god the infinity stones in skyrim. integer overflow damage is by all definition "infinite"

[@Nerobyrne]

Q: "Can God create a stone so heavy he cannot lift it?" A: "INTEGER OVERFLOW ERROR!"

[@dustycrustyhomelessman1648]

based oz media??????

[@Shrekfromthehitmovieshrek]

Oz your here that’s cool surprisng

[@AltoSnow]

Holy shit Oz Media watches Vaush.

[@aeolianthecomposer]

Integer overflow isn't infinite. Its ranges from like 255 to several trillions, depending on the variable type

[@TheShuuman]

That line about "Is it optimal? Yes, is it fun? No," I feel that so hard, it like I've met people whose eyes start glazing over when I say I don't have that much fun when I play the most busted build and or abilities in a game. Doesn't feel like I earn the win, the gear did. If I get busted because of the way I play then I can live that way because I earned it.

[@theolwinkledink]

Their arguments for why you shouldn't use them are always so lame too. It's just "okay, if its op, and you don't want to use it, then don't."

[@Shellshock39]

Vowsh: *Makes controversial political take* His audience: We sleep Vowsh: Skyrim sucks. Audience: U FUKIN WOT M8!?

[@ashwilliams1725]

Vaush never says anything controversial, just facts.

[@Ma_ksi]

He is wrong

[@gr8z0mbiejesus]

Ngl, this is me right now

[@kylewatson4193]

"Why are you booing I'm right!"

[@-Mushroom_Kid-]

Morrowind stans In the TES community: Skyrim. Bad. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@fangride14]

Never before have I been so offended by something I one hundred percent agree with.

[@ararepotato1420]

"Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?"

[@AnyHeroBlake]

I'm so conflicted over it, he's right and I agree, *but how fucking dare he*

[@greatcesari]

Skyrim being so broken is what made it feel so free and unique in my opinion. Excluding negative bugs such as getting stuck and stuff like that. The dialogue from the side stories (such as TBH or TTG) being so disconnected from the main story is what hurt the game the most. For example, no one acknowledged you as a half-dragon Demi-god other than main story actors and you couldn’t bring it up as a choice.

[@CayeDaws]

How can you be offended by this? What low taste can you have to defend kt? What did you start playing it when your uncle died or some shit?

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

@@CayeDaws edgy

[@screamingphoenix8113]

"Fallout New Vegas had a lot of voice actors" Meanwhile, Emerson Brooks voiced every black character in the game.

[@charcole400]

Ya new Vegas had like 8 there’s not a lot

[@MsMoonDragoon]

new vegas also wasn't that great either. its just 3 with a bunch of new mechanics stuffed in on a new map with 1 or 2 new enemys. ntm all the factions you have to choose from are just different flavors of right wing nuttery. that alone is enough to make me lose interest. but hey, its given me a great tell for if someones a right wing reactionary pedo: ask them how they feel about the legion.

[@charcole400]

@@MsMoonDragoon I liked nv it was much different from 3 and ya people who like the legion are cringe

[@rigel9228]

@@MsMoonDragoon The only reason why some people choose to help the legion is because their missions have some fun gameplay. Other than that they are pretty shit.

[@pievancl5457]

Witcher 3 had a TON of voice actors

[@22Vnnami]

For anybody calling out Vaush for saying the crafting is broken, look up “Skyrim is a perfectly balanced game with no glitches” dude makes like a 10000 damage fork and 100 damage on a vanilla weapon is pretty high.

[@aaronlaughter6471]

No shit, but that's part of the charm and fun. You know fun, something normal people can have.

[@lucinema]

@@aaronlaughter6471 the video he's referencing is the spiffing brit and he literally says it's apart of skyrims charm hahaha

[@lucinema]

Spif: "Thank you Todd for making it in such a way"

[@Buf037]

@@aaronlaughter6471 how is running through the game one shotting everything fun exactly? I mean I agree that it’s fun to mess with glitches but that doesn’t make skyrim a good game, it makes Skyrim a broken game that can be played in fun ways.

[@nerodia]

​@@Buf037 I think you misunderstood, because you're basically agreeing with him. It's a broken game that can be played in fun ways, and there's a charm to that. But that isn't necessarily what makes the game mediocre. All the balance and combat issues were just as bad if not worse in Morrowind but a lot of the other factors (story, characters, setting) elevate it. You can still choose to abuse the (even more broken than Skyrim) recursive design flaws in the alchemy-enchanting systems to turn yourself into a demigod that can jump from Balmora to Red Mountain in a single bound and one-punch Dagoth-Ur.

[@jamesoldham9995]

The moment Skyrim really lost it for me was when I tried to assassinate Ulfric in his palace and the game wouldn't let him die. Contrast that with New Vegas where you can just blow up Caesar if you want to.

[@griffithdidnothingwrong7117]

Yea new Vegas was an amazing game and I fear that is the last good rpg Bethesda will release, fallout 4 & Skyrim were shallow and boring, fallout 76 is awful and ik starfield is gonna just be a shitty game with a quarter of the mechanics they have spoken about.

[@presvellage]

@@griffithdidnothingwrong7117 fo76 is definataly not aweful.

[@presvellage]

@@griffithdidnothingwrong7117 a game being shitty and you not liking a game are not the same thing btw.

[@presvellage]

@@griffithdidnothingwrong7117 there are such thing as an objectively shitty game but Skyrim, fo4, and 76 are not shitty. I love Fallout New Vegas and it is my favorite for sure, but that does not mean that the other games are completely Aweful. your perspective has no reason, but only emotionally charged feelings. i tend to look at things as fairly as possible. for example, i have many complaints about all of the games listed here, including my favorite games. try to stop using such broad descriptions, such as "tha gaem just suks lol" and actually look at it from a less biased perspective.

[@griffithdidnothingwrong7117]

@@presvellage Skyrim and everything after was pretty shitty in my opinion, it's not a lack of looking at it objectively it's the fact I think it's ass that's bothering you so much, I don't think they were good at all and the best thing about Skyrim is the lore but the gameplay is so watered down, the main characters are boring(no character come close to Caesar or house) and it's only saving grace is modding, I could go on about the others but I don't need to, they're ass.

[@ezzyelder3385]

I love Skyrim with mods. The modding community does all the heavy lifting for this game and I wouldn't be playing it today without them. Vanilla Skyrim is kinda just mediocre. I have mods that turn it into more of a fantasy life sim, improved first person camera, animations and physics to make combat feel less shit. It's a vastly superior experience because of the modding community, and Bethesda wouldn't be successful today without them

[@dynamicworlds1]

So, kinda like Minecraft, only less intentionally?

[@mrfrostrunner5192]

Exactly I love modded Skyrim. Enais mods basically just fix most of the problems he brought up.

[@juvedoo99]

I’ve gotten hundreds of hours out of vanilla Skyrim. Personally, I get nothing out of modding. I get why people like it, but I don’t care for it.

[@resm-oe9ji]

Ever since I got the game on PC, I've spend more time modding it than actually playing it. Every time I try to play, I'd eventually realize that my game is missing something, find it on nexus, download it, have my game crash because it conflicts with other mods, spend the whole afternoon trying to fix it, and then do all of it again ad infinitum.

[@schtreg9140]

You guys are talking about a game that came out a decade ago... Dude, not even I think that Skyrim was the masterpiece people make it out to be (I was more of a Morrowind and Oblivion guy) but these games just age. I don't think there was anything that came out around 2010/2011 that did what Skyrim did and did it better. And I don't even think any game did what Skyrim did but better in the last decade. Which is why so many people still play it. Was it the best game ever created? Nope. Was it a good game? Obviously it fucking was and you guys + Vaush are just trying to sound like enlightened gaming master race.

[@Karak971]

I see Vaush has decided he wants a new controversy to be canceled over

[@ThatGuyNikolas]

Today he woke up and chose Violence...

[@LordZeebee]

He's just correct tho.

[@ThatGuyNikolas]

@@LordZeebee he's technically correct, in that nothing he said was wrong. But I think(and I'd hope others would agree with me) that Skyrim is a great game despite all these things. And even though the game has aged much like how Oblivion has aged. Not many games are able to stick you into the world of the game like Skyrim or Oblivion was able to.

[@kx7500]

@@ThatGuyNikolas nope. Skyrim is kinda shitty tbh

[@nok4799]

@@ThatGuyNikolas and Morrowind is the best one, imo. (And no, I'm not a greyhead with nostalgia goggles, I played Morrowind last) . It had a actual rpg elements, beast races had digtigrade legs, Spears and ninja stars, and it's story was actually cool imo. Bring back Spears and digtigrade legs!!😩

[@Zaria_Dobbs]

"Skyrim takes like 30 seconds to refill!" Have you played morrowind, outlander? Stamina matters for LITERALLY EVERYTHING and it takes an age to recharge. Running also uses stamina, so you have to wait around before engaging in combat (especially at low levels) to be at all effective. Somehow morrowind still manages to be my second favourite game, but good grief there are many questionable game design elements.

[@Zaria_Dobbs]

@Cornelia It's kinda of like bashing your head into a brick wall, but eventually you get it and you can just play it easily. It was one of the only games my shitty laptop could run well when I was 13, so I got through the head-bashing phase and into the good phase

[@Zaria_Dobbs]

@Cornelia I've tried playing KOTOR like 4 or 5 times as well...

[@00Fiddlesticks00]

Just wait for skywind

[@wynngwynn]

remember taping down your space bar so you could level acrobatics while you were away though? that made it easier because you could jump places lol.

[@mutegamingstuff9120]

Morrowind is like fucking shakespear in terms of character and world design compared to skyrim, but the combat is still pretty ass so that's probably not the reason to play it.

[@postmodernmarxistnihilist4282]

Playing skyrim back in early 2010s: hundreds of hours of playtime Playing Skyrim now: hundreds of hours of downloading mods 2 hours of playtime then you get bored and never touch it again

[@erikjohnson1684]

The setting and atmosphere are A+, everything else is a huge meh.

[@stephen_]

Dude I didn’t know there was a sprint button so I just walked it all

[@tpspeed]

I totally agree. The landscape and everything of Skyrim is amazing, and I love the sounds of everything as I run past it. After that it just starts to fall apart

[@Floydthefuckbag]

No, those are also meh. Generic high fantasy. Doesn't have half the personality of Morrowind.

[@micahgmiranda]

If you're playing Skyrim without mods, you're doing it wrong

[@SonicTheFrenchHorn]

@@micahgmiranda Kinda reinforces the idea that it's a bad game.

[@mrfrostrunner5192]

This is the the definition of never before have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with

[@jarrickhillery8664]

That’s me right now. Skyrim’s probably the game I’ve gotten the most enjoyment out of but it’s also fundamentally broken. Did you know that in vanilla Skyrim, you can’t complete the Dark Brotherhood quest line as a vampire? It’s ridiculous.

[@PuppyM0dr]

the people going "wrong" when you were describing something as simple and well-known as the restoration loop are pretty funny, ngl.

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

We call them 'stans' and they're embarrassing to be sure. A lot of them are basically doing Trumpism without even realizing it, just not for Trump, but for some other shitty 'thing'. Like when I hear people say 'Skyrim is one of the best RPG experiences around' I have to hold back my laughter.

[@-Mushroom_Kid-]

Necromage perk is literally broke

[@addaleblue4595]

"it's not infinite!" sure, but my necromage assassin's +2million% one-handed and light armor enchantments don't need to be infinite

[@PuppyM0dr]

@@addaleblue4595 exactly Like, it doesnt have to be *literally* infinite, which is jmpossible But if the damage value of your spell/weapon is 100 orders of magnitude higher than the max health value the game is programmed to allow enemies to have, it's functionally unlimited.

[@Xaphnir]

That's because that's not what he was explaining. He was saying you could do a recursive cycle of enchanting a new set of +alchemy gear, then using that to make a +enchanting potion, then using that potion to make a stronger set of +alchemy gear, etc. Which, if you're doing that, the diminishing returns are so strong it's barely worth doing. The restoration loop is an exploit you have to specifically try to do because you normally don't consider that restoration increases the power of an enchanted item.

[@will_from_pa]

I agree vanilla Skyrim lacked a lot after awhile (I’ve played almost 3,000 hours over the course of my life), but the modding community really improved upon the game. Better graphics, more story driven mods, the whole nine yards. And honestly, the community is why I kept playing, screw Bethesda and all their cash-grab garbage. The elder scrolls community, in my opinion and experience, has been a really fun and creative community

[@ZepBladez]

IMO if a game is only good because of mods then the game itself isn't actually good. In theory literally any game can be anything with mods, so I don't think that's ever a mark in favor or against a game.

[@beanieguitarguy4070]

Exactly. The COMMUNITY makes Skyrim a great game.

[@ZepBladez]

@@beanieguitarguy4070 I also don't think a game is any better or worse because of a community. However I believe Skyrim is a great foundation to be built upon by the community. But the community doesn't MAKE Skyrim good, it makes a new and better game using Skyrim every time they make a mod.

[@tmsphere]

Love haters going “i enjoyed the first 20,000,000 hours but then i realized its boring”.

[@beanieguitarguy4070]

@@ZepBladez I don’t know, man, Busty Werewolves makes the Companions quest pretty damn good. 😏 But no, I totally get you. You basically put my thoughts into much better, clearer words.

[@fxviridis]

I do not understand how Paarthurnox is not an interesting or memorable character. He may not challenge the writing of everything after him, but he's still the kind of character that makes me sit down and go "Man.." after playing

[@lucinema]

The wisdom on that dragon as well, "What is better? to be born good? or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" that shit has stayed with me for 12 years

[@pancakes8670]

Ulfric Stormcloak is also pretty good. I remember a lot of nuance going into his character, to the point that to this day Skyrim Players still debate on whether or not he's Good or Bad. That certainly feels like it could be a New Vegas character. Beyond Paarthurnax and Ulfric though, Skyrim characters aren't really that memorable

[@mchamburgerslice2870]

@@pancakes8670Cicero is one of the few characters with good backstory and personality

[@Kami-Sama197]

partysnax all the way alduin was shallow, miraak pretentious and harkon just foolish but what i hate about bethesda is we cant just kill delphine and let partysnax live

[@scottydo0081]

I can’t believe Vaush actually mentioned Condemned: Criminal Origins. That game is incredibly underrated.

[@Helperbot-2000]

Oh hey i know that game cause of pyrocynicals video on it

[@scottydo0081]

@@Helperbot-2000 it’s incredible. The second one is amazing as well.

[@jaythomas468]

I’m sad there was NEVER a Condemned 3.

[@Wollops]

Explain how it’s under rated?

[@scottydo0081]

@@Wollops came out in 2008 and has some actually very precise and well done melee fighting. The AI is incredibly good; enemies will fake a swing to bait out attacks from you. The horror aspects are incredible as well and very varied. KZbin some gameplay to see what I mean.

[@nachofast6144]

The most divisive and annoying part to me about this video was the people in chat dissing on Morrowind in the last seconds of the video

[@NoradNoxtus]

It's sad really, MW was a product of its time and non of the new frogs will give it the time let alone appreciate the genius being Kirkbride's work and the hardware tech for that time by playing it today(I know I woudln't). Definatly needs a soft remaster asap

[@courtneyvaldez7903]

@@NoradNoxtus Most of this community are WAY too young to have experienced how groundbreaking games like Morrowind were when they originally came out.

[@kmoney890]

@@NoradNoxtus if the soft remaster has the exact same gameplay than that’s a hard ass pass

[@THRAKORZOD]

@@courtneyvaldez7903 of you have to experience a game when it first came out for it to be enjoyable it's not a good game

[@ascii_9727]

@@courtneyvaldez7903 they have been polled multiple times during stream and the average age of vgg chat is 25-30

[@chilldragon4752]

"Hating Skyrim is communism brother!!" - conservative gamers

[@billieeisenhower406]

conservative gamers are just nazis

[@magic8ball237]

I read this in Hasan's voice

[@attamamei1494]

I feel like you legit make this argument. It's a little half baked but Like gamers hated Skyrim so the modder proletariats sized the devtools and collectively fixed the game and distributed it for free. I know there's like a mod marketplace now but I'm ignoring that because it ruins my point lol

[@Ma_ksi]

No wrong

[@chilldragon4752]

@@attamamei1494 nah, it was just a joke man

[@sheepwshotguns42]

if ever there was a good reason to cancel vowsh... just because he might have good points doesn't mean he can just destroy my childhood.

[@hadookin47]

I still play modded Skyrim on PC, I almost bought it for my Switch too

[@XCeazyX]

tfw someone says skyrim is their childhood guess i forgor i am old now

[@ashwilliams1725]

You shouldn't build the foundation of your childhood in the swamp that is Skyrim

[@edo2514]

@Rando Yaguchi i got that reference

[@ScarletStarAudios]

@@XCeazyX I was 12 was Skyrim released. Turned 13 a month later! It is also my childhood

[@Earzentail]

I could listen to Vowsh tear popular games apart for days. Tempest, make him do it more pls. Use blood magic if you need.

[@TheHeavyshadow]

Since the comparison to New Vegas came up: New Vegas had an impressive amount of variety in the way some of its quests could play out, and the way skills and stats can influence dialogue options. Just taking the quest where a couple of ghouls want to fly away with some rockets: You start it because someone said he needs your help and will give you information you need for the main quest. First option: Ignore the quest by stealing the information from the person (probably requires you to have skilled sneaking and stealing) or killing and looting him. Second Option: Deal with the problem by killing all ghouls. Or you could help them ready the rockets and... Third Option: send them on their merry way. Fourth Option: sabotage the rockets so they would crash. Fifth option: If your character knows their science and technology well enough: Optimise the route the computer had planned for the rockets. And then you have options beyond that, like talking the human in the ghoul-group out of thinking he is a ghoul. I've played Skyrim quite a bit but I can't remember a quest that had similiarly branched outcomes. And as to the dialogue options: It's pretty telling that two thirds of the speech-perks in Skyrim have to do with selling or buying. And the few times that any sort of speech is useful outside of bartering it's always "[What your character would say] (Persuade/Intimidate/Lie)" with no hint of whether you have the skills that are required or how likely you are to succeed. New Vegas just tells you what skills you need to succeed, and gives you a joke option that fails if you don't have the skills. And then it aren't even always just speech-skills that are required. If the PC isn't a good talker but know their way around computers, they could call out someone who is lying about computers with a dialogue options that requires sufficient points in the science-skill, or they could impress a fellow hunter with survivalist knowledge about some animal.

[@raptor1234sp]

The late great John Bain said it best. Skyrim is the size of an ocean with the depth of a puddle.

[@zullumaster123]

It's shallow? How so?

[@suckston]

@@zullumaster123 story, dialogues, characters motives, repetitive dungeons. just from the top of my head

[@marciamakesmusic]

@@zullumaster123 because it's all sensory pleasure and no depth. The characters are extremely shallow, any social commentary is completely ham fisted.

[@zacharypegg7051]

I don't think I've heard that quote before, but it is SO spot on.

[@gudboah4688]

Stunning and brave

[@YeTism]

You have committed crimes against Skyrim and her people. What say you in your defense?

[@raheem8635]

Ah my favorite leftist streamer Vaush: this take You know maybe the tankies are right

[@Sentient_Blob]

I used to be a leftist, before I took a Vaush pop culture take arrow to the knee

[@dansheffield4021]

Lolol

[@harchierplebbington9397]

Fuck this, I’m moving to dgg

[@Frankthegb]

Separate “I don’t like thing” from “thing is bad”

[@justicepunch8758]

Killing Floor 2 is just about the only game I know of that has a good difficulty system. On harder difficulties, tougher enemies spawn, the enemies get more abilities, the AI is smarter, and only the enemies that are difficult because of their health get extra health.

[@ashfox7498]

I have the same opinion of Skyrim that I have of Fallout 4; I really liked and remember my first time stepping out of Helgen/Vault 111. However the stories both main and side quests are completely ass; it's almost all just fetch quests. The main quest has me chasing down some dragon/baby I don't care about until eventually I fight some climatic battle with him for no real reward or impact on the world. Since there's no RPG system in place I never feel like any one playtrhrough matters because I can become anything I want in any playthrough. If I try to skip the story I install the game, wander around for 40 minutes clearing the same handful of beginner dungeons that are completely similar in design/difficulty/cool factor to any other dungeon anywhere on the map. After I get a few rewards I realize it's all building to nothing and leave the game.

[@bionicsentinel1529]

Fallout 4 did at least have a couple compelling companions and a branching main story.

[@robinhastings7609]

@@bionicsentinel1529 and even then it was shit. The best part of 4 was a random side quest that’s really hard to find, which is really telling.

[@comyuse9103]

fallout 4 actually rewards exploration through the scrap serving as an actual mechanic beyond the already unlimited currency. i think they also tried to make more interesting and good looking environments as well. it isn't great, but if the actual feel of the gameplay improved i'd actually recommend it to people. it isn't just me that feels like the gameplay is jittery and uncomfortable to actually play, right? like, in stalker i can deal with running mutants, but in fallout i just cannot deal with dogs.

[@ashfox7498]

@@comyuse9103 I personally hit post scarcity levels of scrap by hour 10 or so. 20 or 30 hours in even the rare stuff like screws and fiber optics you should be sitting on a couple dozen. It could have been a good idea, but it was too easy stockpile over time.

[@ashfox7498]

@Glockjaw I guess that's what I mean, New Vegas is ultimately a fetch quest; but it's has a huge story that makes it worth completing. By contrast with Fallout 4 it's "Hey can you go out and grab me 5 blood leaf so I make some drugs?" > yes > sarcastic yes > pay me more, but yes > no (later yes) Skyrim put a huge focus on radiant quests and Fallout 4 quadruppled down on them. Even just counting each radiant quest as one thing I'd think easily over half of the quests in the game are just radiant quests which half the time just involve you clearing some dungeon of raiders/ghouls. And the few quests that do have writing range from just barely serviceable (the quest to escape the cannery of ghouls was okay) to truly awful (boy in the fridge anyone?) Even the guild quests in Skyrim were horribly disappointing. I didn't notice until my third playthrough but you can go from new recruit to guildmaster in 2 hours for any guild in Skyrim, and that's not even with some crazy speedrunning strategy; it's just that's how little story you have. I think that's what keeps Oblivion from being this bad, while the combat system is bad in that game too (at least stealth archers weren't so broken and OP) the quests are fun to complete and the people are fun to talk to.

[@kluhnahgoh5911]

Everything he said was true, but god Damn do I still love Skyrim and by extension The Elder Scrolls

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

No that's completely fair. I enjoy the underworld movies, but they are soooo fkn bad as actual movies. We can recognize stuff being bad, but we are still allowed to enjoy these things. Nothing is 100% objective, as everything by definition with our senses is subjective. Just because skyrim sucks in a design perspective, doesn't mean nobody should ever enjoy it. For example; Tetris is a masterpiece in video games. But far from everyone should objectively deem it to be one of their favorites. But we can still recognize the genius behind things. I love Bethesda's ambition, but they always focus on the wrong thing. That's why New Vegas is better than any Bethesda game ever made. It put the focus on the right areas. On the other hand; I will defend "The Pitt"-DLC for Fallout 3 as one of the best DLCs I have ever touched.

[@robertwallach1828]

Exactly. Just because it's bad, doesn't mean you can't like it. I'm currently replaying 'Skyrim' and despite it's faults, I'm loving it.

[@maximeteppe7627]

@@7PlayingWithFire7 In the case of skyrim I think it's actually more complicated, because while every single element taken in isolation is kinda bad (generally meaning lacking in polish and balancing), the general designs is amazing at creating that sense of freedom that is the whole point of the game- and in that sense the game is great and very successful at what it attempts. While many of the features deserve criticism and we should demand better for the sequels, and make mods to remediate them if we want; if we're honest we know that pretty much any improvement during the actual development back in 2010 would probably come at the cost of other features of the game. The design and dev philosophy is absolutely what the game needed to be released at all, and the game is actually better than the sum of its parts.

[@austinhadley6086]

For me, morrowind will always be the bar that all elder scrolls games will be held up to. It isn't even nostalgia either, I played oblivion first, then skyrim on release, ESO for years and then just played through morrowind last April, and then again in June with a different build.

[@calmkat9032]

You should try Elder Scrolls Online. Same amazing world and lore, combat is slightly better, quests are too. Which is really sad now that I think about it, that Skyrim's quests are basically MMO quests.

[@tadferd4340]

Yep. It popular and has greatly affected the gaming culture. But it's shallow even for an open world game. However, I like it as a game I can play while I listen to political KZbin to sate my ADHD, without need pay attention. Keeps the hands busy. The difficulty is even worse than you described. It only effects the player. Your Summons and Followers are uneffected when you change the difficulty. Want to beat Legendary? Make a Conjuration character and give all the best gear to a Follower. The crafting recursion is a bug known as the Fortify Restoration Loop and is a bug that you can mod out. Crafting it still crazy overpowered even without the bug. Vendors money limits are hilarious in how you can reset their inventory by saving, attacking the shopkeeper, and then reloading the save. Want to sell more stuff? Commit a felony and then rewind time! Yeah, mods make it better, but you can't fix fundamental issues with mods.

[@TheSonicShoe]

it is kind of sad that some of the bugs and console commands feel more magical than the actual spells and shouts in the game. like, punching a dude in the dick, and then warping the fabric of space, and creating a diverging timeline just so you can sell your 50th iron dagger is some seriously impressive wizard shit, and I kind of wish the game had more of that than just slow moving fireballs and flying icesicles. also, using console commands to kill or rez NPCs, or spawn a bugged quest item because it failed to load is arcane enough that it ACTUALLY looks like you are writing out a spell, or at least using a death note.

[@icicle378]

Balancing issues and bugs don’t make a game “shallow”

[@tadferd4340]

@@icicle378 Never said they did. The lack of depth is in the dungeons and quests as well as the skill perks. I forget who said it, "Wide as an ocean. Shallow as a puddle."

[@icicle378]

@@tadferd4340 You called the game shallow and then listed all the bugs and balancing issues. But that’s fine, I mostly agree with you

[@tadferd4340]

@@icicle378 My initial comment was more a reply to the video than a structured critique of the game itself.

[@Dinoclops]

Rimworld is an example of good modding, The game stands on it's own, but also has been designed with the ability to expand in mind.

[@Aristo_Furkan]

yeah rimworld's modding community is realy great and most of the mods they do are actualy "Lore friendly" unlike skyrim.

[@danbridges4755]

Serana was a kind of interesting character. Until one day I walked into a building and suddenly she just vanished without a trace 😔

[@julianfull280]

There is a console command to teleport player to whatever follower you have, so you know where did they go. Happened to me 2 or 3 times with Lydia. Or same but reverse to teleport your follower to your location.

[@theobell2002]

Ah yes, the "quirky" vampire with daddy issues that's been locked up for 4000 years and complains about everything. What a truly interesting character that totally isn't written like an angsty, rebellious 14 year old.

[@danbridges4755]

@@theobell2002 get over yourself. Her back story was more interesting than most of the other potential companions.

[@suckston]

lmao the male performative voice got me good. WE MUST HAVE MORE SWORDS FOR THE IMPERIAL SOLDIERS

[@randomthings1293]

I believe he was thinking at the male guards' voice. You know, the one that tries hard to imitate Schwarzenegger. "I'm a weapon in human form"

[@lexcel5553]

"Does Skyrim have anyone even close to Caesar or to Mr House?" M'aiq the Liar - *>:(

[@billieeisenhower406]

paarthurnaax: :c

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

M'aiq is an exception to every rule. I'm still convinced he's a transdimensional god that attempts to give the protagonists of each era advice to help them win the day. The excuse of, "Oh, it's just different GENERATIONS of people who happen to be named M'aiq," does not fly with me.

[@BaneDane_JB]

He's a meme not a character, the only character in Skyrim is Serana TBH Ulfric could come close but his interactions are far too limited.

[@martinn.6082]

He's not unique to skyrim, he was also in morrowind and oblivion.

[@raccoonusdudeus8811]

As someone who personally really loves Skyrim.... Yeaaaaaaaah I kind of agree. But I just can't help myself with that game. The music and atmosphere are absolutely beautiful and I always get sucked in as a khajiit or argonian and play out my dumbass furry fantasies. It's better with mods and the modding community is absolutely frickin amazing, but the game will always be very flawed and thats chill with me lol

[@mrfrostrunner5192]

The game is essentially the first real video game I ever played. But I got absolutely suckered into it. And now I barely think of it except for like two weeks at time where it’s all I do

[@kx7500]

Zero problem with that. I enjoy a lot of sonic 06. Still kinda shitty game lol.

[@BiologicalXenon]

Skyrim is among my favorite games to this day, and I agree with basically everything Vaush says. The fun of Skyrim, for me, 200% is in the atmosphere and the fact that it’s an Elder Scrolls title with all the accompanying fun lore rather than the gameplay (to be fair though, and maybe I’m just too casual a gamer, but I don’t think the game was *that* unfun). While I recognize that it isn’t a good gameplay feature, but I actually had a lot of fun exploiting the enchanting system. I basically made my mage Iron Man and enchanted a suit of armor so that Destruction and Conjuration spells wouldn’t cost any magicka. Maybe not fun in the traditional difficulty sense, but definitely fun in the power-trip sense.

[@nicksiegfried4906]

Yea except the elder scrolls lore kinda sucks tho. It doesn't help that while the world is fun to explore, the stories in the games are presented in such a mediocre way that it makes the lore behind said stories incredibly uninteresting and unsatisfying. Good fantasy games/movies/books usually are written in well and interesting enough ways that it makes you want to explore the world further like the intrigue and mystery of dark souls/bloodborne, the cool characters and creatures of the witcher, or just the sheer depth and detail of JRR Tolkien's legendarium, yet whenever I'm faced with a lore dump in skyrim I'm always like, "yea, but why tf should I actually care about this?" The elder scrolls just feels like a bargain bin version of someone else's fantasy universe and it isn't made any more interesting by the fact that the lore is only told through wiki pages, in-game books, boring dialog from NPCs, or "by the numbers" quests that you could find in any other rpg. It's not the worst thing ever but it's just that there isn't a single character, event, or location in the game interesting enough to make the lore behind them interesting and because the stuff in the game isn't interesting there's no real payoff if you do actually read into the lore. I swear there's more interesting lore behind that one battering ram named Grond in LOTR than there is in the entirety of Skyrim.

[@CascadeSpam]

Me too, I didnt realise at the time why I gravitated every playthrough towards a stealth archer wood elf.

[@zaferoph]

@@nicksiegfried4906 If you think the ES Lore suck you probably never looked into it. There total lore in the lore dumps of all of Skyrims lore dumps is a fraction of 1%.

[@realhumanbean7915]

@@zaferoph Anything written on a shroom binge is bound to be insanely good

[@RagingRugbyst]

For me, the fun in skyrim is just turning it into a barely functional shambling mass of mods that offers the best sandbox experience ever, provided you reboot it every 15 seconds.

[@AnarchoPunkChad]

Love coming back to Vaush having the most horrific media takes of all time

[@darkmetal2412]

I'm sorry that Vaush doesn't understand Minecraft story lol

[@UTO7]

Yeah was gonna say, fuck skyrim but calling minecraft unimpressive is like calling Lego unimpressive. The simplicity of building stuff is what makes it fun.

[@xeibei4804]

@@UTO7 cringe

[@UTO7]

@@xeibei4804 anime pfp calling people cringe lmao

[@sera9349]

Skyrim is not perfect, but it did serve to get me into the older games like Oblivion, Morrowind and even Daggerfall and Arena.

[@-Mushroom_Kid-]

Where the battlespire and shadowkey stans at🤣🤣🤣

[@dustymeislahn3221]

@@-Mushroom_Kid- There are two of them on reddit if you look hard enough.

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

I think Serena and Sheogorath were the most memorable characters. I also liked Paarthurnax.

[@Zurgo-fl1kx]

Oh the cheese is just to die for!

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

Did you ever play Oblivion? If you like Sheogorath, there's an entire Oblivion expansion that lets you go into Sheogorath's realm and participate in a rather awesome quest line. It's pretty great. And Sheo is just as fantastic there as he is in Skyrim, what little you get to see of him.

[@_doofiis7420]

To this day I still haven't killed paarthurnax I simply can't bring myself to

[@l.francesca4780]

@@FlamingNinjaBoi Sheogorath is better in Oblivion in my opinion. I liked him a lot less in Skyrim.

[@narikobeilschmidt]

@@_doofiis7420 "capitalism is when you kill paarthurnax." -professor r. alden

[@Xsuh]

Paarthunax is pretty memorable imo. And maybe the vampire woman from Dawnguard. That's really the only ones I can think of.

[@Necroskull388]

I think that the experience of playing the game is the most important part - if everyone loved Skyrim, INCLUDING IT’S CRITICS (which DOES include me, btw), then there are reasons for that, even if they are difficult to articulate. Even if they’re difficult to re-experience. Game design theory is largely intellectual reconstruction of why something FEELS good on an unintellectual level - you can’t approach it from the perspective of, “Here’s why this thing that feels fun isn’t actually fun.”

[@robertwinslade3104]

I came here to disagree and am now having to begrudgingly admit that everything Vaush says here is 100% true

[@traceyrice4978]

Same

[@TheInflicted]

All of his complaints are salient but the main virtues of the game is the sheer physical beauty of its outdoor environments, the novel (at the time) Nordic aesthetic,, and the overall soundscape. He glosses over these immersive aspects and focuses on the gameplay when in my mind the story and gameplay were really just excuses to wander around and explore a really beautiful place.

[@lukas5352]

Literally half the things he said were completely wrong. Like for example, “stealth archers are OP.” They are honestly one of the weakest builds because they are slow and struggle a lot with bosses and dragons. Or when he said “Melee is underpowered.” Literally the most broken build. Lastly, “All caves and dungeons are the same.” Excluding some of the minor and small caves most caves, dungeons, forts, and ruins were very unique and had a lot lore behind it.

[@juvedoo99]

@@lukas5352 exactly. And for the dungeons you most likely would have to return to certain ones to find something that you wouldn’t have known about until someone told you about it. The replay ability of Skyrim is amazing. And I’m talking just about vanilla Skyrim .

[@traceyrice4978]

@@lukas5352 I agree with both of you. At the time, skyrim was awesome. I played the shit out of it. The immersive world was great and it was more varied than how Vaush described it. However, the story definitely is boring, the game encourages tedious grinding through its crafting system (which is extremely easy to cheese), the combat system was bad for its time, and the game was full of bigs and glitches. I loved skyrim for a time, but every time I've tried to play it in the past year I can't stomach more than an hour.

[@telepathicfish1489]

Skyrim blew me away when I was 10. Hasn't held up so well though. I also find standard fantasy stuff kinda boring compared to dark fantasy nowadays so it could be that.

[@zant41]

Yeah, when you were 10. Children don't have the highest of standards tbh

[@arseniykorchevskiy1564]

I genuinely don’t understand how people can have any fun with skyrim nowadays without using 20 mods

[@_doofiis7420]

So what you're saying is skyrim ain't it but you fuck with some dark souls?

[@telepathicfish1489]

@@_doofiis7420 that's exactly what I'm saying

[@schtreg9140]

@@arseniykorchevskiy1564 It's a decade old and people played it for hundreds if not thousands of hours and are now bitching about it being repetitive lol. As someone who criticised Skyrim early on for not being up to par with the other Elder Scrolls games, I actually get offended by the people in the comments. Whoever played Skyrim for hundreds of hours and even went so far as to mod the shit out of it to keep enjoying it has little right to criticise it for being repetitive as obviously they got their worth out of the game. Hot take within this not so hot video: If Valenwood/TES 6 would have come out 5 years ago, all of you guys would remember Skyrim as a masterpiece because you would have stopped playing it before you got sick of it. EDIT: Just to be clear, I played Skyrim after it came out for like a year and never since. I'm astonished that people still play it a decade later. It even made me re-evaluate that it is a better game than I originally judged it. Because if you can captivate such a vast community for such a long time, you're doing something right.

[@herb2110]

"Skyrim is a bad game" me: true "It's kinda like minecraft" me: aaaand you lost me "I've played hollowknight like 4 times" me: ok I'm listening

[@junjiito6298]

Minecraft is the most overrated piece of garbage. Boring to the max.

[@herb2110]

@@junjiito6298 To be fair, it's only fun if you have friends, and/or imagination, so I can't blame you for thinking that

[@kiwi3085]

@@herb2110 It's fun in the same way a lego bucket is fun. You aren't enjoying the mechanics per say, you're enjoying making things that look pretty or making complex machines within the game.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@kiwi3085 People give way too much praise to what are essentially sandbox simulators or building blocks. Everyone orgasms at the mention of BotW but the game doesn't actually do anything other than provide you with a physics engine to mess around with.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Yes. Its a system game. People love systems. It has a consistent internal logic that you can manipulate to do amazing things. Your take is as stupid as saying "oh life is so boring, you need to make your own fun". Like dude, yes, everything needs to be built. If you only wanna ride a rollercoaster, the same boring shit, every single day of your life and you have absolutely no creative urge, then sure, its fine you don't like systems. But that just means you are probably the most boring person in the world t o interact with.

[@HeavensOfMetal]

Melee - whilst being trash & boring - was actually the backbone of one of my favourite characters. Exploiting an alchemy bug you could use the Atronauch stone to get 100% magic absorption at the cost of not being able to restore your own mana - making you an unstoppable mage slayer & the magic that’s recharging as you’re hit with spells you can use to empower your melee, or fire magic back at people, so you’d pump points into heavy armour, melee & magic & end up by the end of the game an unkillable tank who can drop a fire storm & still beat asses in melee. An amazing way to play & it was a fucking bug.

[@DieEineMieze]

It's literally just left click and hold left click. Blocking is not needed. Worst combat system ever for a "masterpiece" and I can't but laugh. Well, starfield is so average too, it had to be expected after their latest releases.

[@sarahbuck2506]

Magic was really useful if you wanted to avoid combat completely. Max out conjuration stealing the soul of a dead crab over and over, and then every fight from then on is summon dremora, summon dremora, wait around corner for combat music to stop, return and loot.

[@KrowwJaeger]

You know, he's 100% right about this. But i still fucking love skyrim. And dual wielding is actually amazing

[@WBWhiting]

Dragon's Dogma is like budget Skyrim, stapled to budget Dark Souls, but the combat feels amazingly fun, and you can climb 3-story tall cyclops and 747-sized dragons like you were in Shadow of the Colossus.

[@loganscott5420]

I would liken it to the best parts of DMC, Dark Souls, and Monster Hunter thrown into a blender, but yeah, Dragon's Dogma is fantastic. I'm really glad that it seems more people are getting into it now. The story and world blow ass but hot damn, does the combat more than make up for those shortcomings.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Dragon's Dogma is a better game in every way to Skyrim and it was given crap just cause people wanted to do skyrim things in it. Its crazy.

[@naj4261]

The only problem with dragons dogma is the story. I literally learned nearly nothing about the actual politics/history

[@WBWhiting]

@@naj4261 Dragon's Dogma development was really rushed, and the story suffered heavily because of it. But DD2 is apparently being worked on now that the Capcom director is finished with a Devil May Cry project. The Wind is Pushing Meeeeeee

[@acdesegurgels8663]

@@7PlayingWithFire7 copium it cant even compete to a game that came out in 2011

[@billy9497able]

This is easily the most controversial thing you've ever said. I fucking love skyrim. And I love you too vaush. So fight me.

[@ronwisegamgee]

He's talking about the Potion of Restoration exploit, where you can drink one to improve your alchemy potion effectiveness over and over only to then make the ultimate enchantment potion to make god-tier equipment.

[@resm-oe9ji]

There's a non-bug recursive loop between alchemy and enchanting, where you can use potions of fortify enchanting to make better fortify alchemy gauntlets, and those gauntlets can then be use to make better potions of fortify enchanting. More expensive than the restoration potions, but not a bug.

[@ruverbryh9998]

I disagree with his critique on how modding doesn’t matter in a game. I think he used the wrong metric, you can’t modify a movie but you can modify a car. A car can be argued to be art. Some cars are famously well known and respected for how well, easy and optimized it is to modify. For example the Mazda Miata is a very beloved car. Lifted trucks, low riders, etc. I think that is is valid to say that mods make Skyrim a better game.

[@chillinsquirtle]

When I start a new skyrim file I inevitably go to dawnstar and steal from the khajiit chest to start the blacksmithing, enchanting, alchemy cycle lol

[@IMatchoNation]

He's out of line, but he's right.

[@TayKVEVO]

Nah just a momentary lapse of soy

[@Tp_hedgelinghog]

Absolutely, I started thinking about it a bit more when he especially mentioned the giant Dwemer dungeon.

[@brig1754]

@@TayKVEVO lmao. skyrim enjoyer calling someone else soy

[@TayKVEVO]

@@brig1754 hating on Skyrim is more cringe than enjoying Skyrim

[@leeroyjenkins5962]

@@TayKVEVO Unironically true and based. I feel like a lot of people are jumping on "Le Bethesda Bad" bandwagon and trying to shit on Skyrim exclusively for things that all 3D Elder Scrolls are guilty of. You can't shit-talk Skyrim and then turn around and say that Oblivion is a better game (or even great game, for that matter). And honestly, this reddit tier cringe attitude has ruined both Morrowind and NV, at least for me.

[@drdoomer8553]

That’s it vaush, I’m a groyper now

[@jasperjackson8842]

hes objectively wrong about melee combat, shields and enchantments and dual wielding and magic make it pretty intrecate.

[@Mocha-Latte]

Also I did enjoy Skyrim’s story, I thought the Dragonborn dlc was way better then the main quest line.

[@zaferoph]

Skyrims pre dlc major stories aren't that good. Out of MQ and factions making for 5 total only the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood felt real.

[@mchamburgerslice2870]

The dlc is way better than the mq

[@SmoothRiker]

Skyrim definitely sucks. That being said, I love it and have over 2,000 hours into it and will probably play it for the rest of my life.

[@jjdude5531]

If that's true, then does it really suck? At the very least, it probably sucks less than the game you played once for a couple hours and then forget about even existing.

[@oxxy6678]

@@jjdude5531 yes it does

[@jjdude5531]

@@oxxy6678 wrong

[@resm-oe9ji]

It really depends on what you're looking to get from playing it. I like creating and role playing characters, and Skyrim allowed for a lot of character concepts to come to life. And if my build is outside the scope of the base game, mods will pick up the slack.

[@oxxy6678]

@@jjdude5531 it's a very bland game as far as RPGs go. Very check all the boxes off

[@ethantaylor9613]

Just making different weapons and armor straight upgrades is lazy IMO, especially when the esthetics of weaker stuff might be cooler to you.

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

I am forever appalled that they couldn't even be assed to include something like set bonuses, or just anything to make gear less boring. Like damn, the more I think about this the more generic and uninteresting Skyrim feels.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

I fucking hated never being able to use the iron weapons for more than literally 10 minutes of the same before they became obsolete. Then the same thing happened to steel. And now I had to run around wit hthe ugliest orc weapons that are just ridiculous and make zero sense, or even the daedra pathetic garbage that only look cool to some dumbass edgy kid who thinks spikes = badass, but if anyone understands any basic function of any modern day tool youd find them ridiculous. Its like people who love them have never used a saw or used a knife, or even a hammer. Like have they ever gotten scratched by a saw and a knife and tell how much scarier a knife cut is?

[@fatcat22able]

Insanely based and relevant take from Vaush considering that they’re re-releasing it AGAIN for the fucking PS5.

[@MrMrjaymz]

You CANNOT use Golden Eye as an example of a good game. That game has aged like milk in the Sahara.

[@thelorewriter9460]

My appreciation for skyrim is largely though it's potential to let me retell the story as I choose. It's more like a solo DnD run with the framework to replay with new mods whenever you want. Skyrim is a broken mess, but it's our broken mess.

[@WBWhiting]

On the fifth day, look to the East, and HBomberGuy will be there at the Sky's Rim to reinforce you, Vaush.

[@Jyn868]

Oh good I thought he was talking about Skyrim, but he's talking about Skryim which is objectively bad

[@joshme3659]

He had me worried there for a second

[@maroonkennedy6213]

Fitting you upload this as I've been binging Skryim for the last 2 weeks lol It's definitely flawed, but Elder Scrolls has a sense of adventure and player character building that no other series really replicates.

[@TheBiggestMoneyBoy]

I disagree games like dark souls, New Vegas, the witcher, star sector, kenshi, and hell even 4x games like stellaris deliver a much better sense of adventure than skyrim does

[@ennuiii]

@@TheBiggestMoneyBoy I disagree

[@marciamakesmusic]

There are better elder scrolls games

[@billieeisenhower406]

@@TheBiggestMoneyBoy dark souls is not an rpg. the only good game you listed was kenshi but even that one has a closer connection to warband rather than skyrim.

[@TheBiggestMoneyBoy]

@@billieeisenhower406 how is it not a rpg

[@aradan3913]

16:30 not really like that. The way the recursion works is that your armor enchantments scale up with restoration (since they are considered buffs). So you enchant full gear of fortify alchemy, make a restoration potion, drink it, unequip and reequip all your alchemy gear to update the stats, and creat a new more powerful restoration potion; until you want to break the cycle and make multiple restoration potions (as to save the progress), enchanting potion and blacksmith potion to have op gear (can be like 1million dmg enchantments and armor in 2 mins of doing this)

[@omniomega7254]

I love the stealth archer rant. That is pretty true. But i still love skyrim.

[@Klemeron]

Skyrim, while showing its decade, is great because it supercedes the sum of its parts. Combat:ass. Story: barely exists. Technically unimpressive even at launch. Yet the design philosophy of immersion over everything just SHINES through, pulling you into a fantasy world unlike any other game, which is why it's still good.

[@darkphoenix2]

More like that one good thing is why it's not a fucking terrible game, it's just ok.

[@Klemeron]

@@darkphoenix2 all its flaws still describe the average "sandbox" coming out this this year and Skyrim is far more enjoyable than any of them

[@eccentriastes6273]

For real though, a few years ago I finally bought Skyrim because I remembered everyone jizzing over it for like a solid year when it came out, and I thought it kinda sucked. And then I talked about it online and the new consensus was it kinda sucks. And I'm like, why did no one tell me this game somehow stopped being good? Feels like I slipped into an alternate universe somewhere between 2011 and now.

[@darkphoenix2]

I honestly think a lot of its longevity is because of the modding scene.

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

@@darkphoenix2 This is true. If you fucked up, caved, and bought the game instead of something better, you might as well try out some of the great mods that exist. It makes the game way, way better. Which doesn't at all mean Skyrim is good. It just means that players helped make a shitty game not so shitty, essentially doing the devs' jobs without being paid.

[@shadez123]

@@FlamingNinjaBoi Man, I played it a couple of years ago with a rebalancing mod, a quality of life and a survival mechanics mod and it suddenly went from an alright game to a really awesome one.

[@trainer-mana]

I can't believe Vaush betrayed Gamers and our lord Todd Howard like this.

[@originalulix]

I felt betrayed by Todd for the first time when Oblivion came out. He was hyping up Radiant AI beforehand like there was no tomorrow, and as if his second name was Molyneux. What was promised was AMAZING! What we got was... alright for the time?

[@jordandavid6579]

Oblivion is my favorite Elder scrolls game, Martin Septim, Baurus, Lucien Lachance, Sheogorath, Duke of Mania, Dutchess of Dementia are just a few charactyers that I can still remember to this day, plus the entire Dark Brotherhood questline was amazing.

[@jmann8109]

I love Oblivion although I feel like both the combat and level scaling is infinitely worse than Skyrims, and Morrowind has no level scaling at all except for conjured enemies and undead creatures. I still enjoy Skyrim though, it still has the world building and lore I expect from an Elder Scrolls game

[@ATB-vh6pe]

Yes sheogorath really stands out to me and I know the dark brotherhood gets a lot of love but honestly it was the thieves guild questline that did it for me. I felt so bad ass literally stealing an elder scroll and getting the grey cowl.

[@berwwtje]

Skyrim is a great sandbox. Just avoid crafting and conjuration (dremora lords specifically). I dont get why they didnt make the dremora lords scale to your level like they did with the sanguine rose (supercool staff that doesn't break the game). Up to level 60 the dremoras just demolish everything in sight while you're just sitting there. Sounds fun, but it isn't. I personally just use the rose staff and a bound bow. Use the dremora lord as a meatshield while I snipe targets from afar (without sneaking). Generally keeps me amused for about 30 hours untill I put the game away again. The story is just background noise. It's all about exploration and looting. If you get 100 in enchanting there is no reason to do either anymore and the game just immediately turns stale.

[@cf5397]

I love Skyrim, it got me to go through the older games in the series too, which made me realize further flaws and simplification of game mechanics. It's hard to play it for ang length of time anymore. Good memories to cherish.

[@mchamburgerslice2870]

I’m in the same boat, I was huge on Skyrim and then I started looking into the lore and seeing how amazing this universe is and the stories of the other games sounded really cool. I started playing the older games and realized how much more fun they were and how much stuff we lost in Skyrim. The games went from immersive rpg to something extremely gamey and not life like. Yet still I’ll end up playing it

[@diallo1347]

I'm playing Skyrim for the first time on Switch and its okay. My favorite is still Morrowind, the level of detail in the combat and pacing is unparalleled.

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

I recommend that you explore the more obscure game mechanics like dragon shouts, cooking pots and illusion. Becoming a stealth archer is not the most fun or interesting way to play.

[@SanguineThor]

It was nice in 2011. But I was disappointed in the amount of actual depth in comparison to Oblivion. It was easy as hell or just damage sponge enemies. My friend showed me how to exploit smithing to max level and it ruined the progression. Now Skyrim with MODS is an entirely different thing. Entirely different balance, magic, systems, EVERYTHING is better modded in Skyrim.

[@vanyadolly]

The thing is, it's an open sandbox rpg. It doesn't need to have a good story or interesting characters in order to be a great sandbox rpg. You can't really conpare it to more story-driven games. I have 2k hours in the game and only bothered with the main quest once.

[@dagothcharles2044]

Skyrim isnt an rpg tho, it creates an illusion that it is because its predecessors were(Morrowind, Daggerfall and Arena) and it takes place in a fantasy setting. Gameplay-wise Skyrim is as much of an rpg as the Far Cry or GTA series.

[@Kligor2]

Oh btw I used to only do magic builds like, full magic. For the first few playthroughs I just did magic and boy was I surprised when every enemy took 5 minutes to kill and then died to a single stealth archer shot of similar level.

[@weezersthebluealbum9479]

The shoutout to Condemned just wanted my heart, such an underrated game.

[@RemixedVoice]

Totally

[@ohthatguy9701]

I completely agree, though I'm still mad at the second one because they never fixed the glitch where if you didn't save and quit it erased all of your progress lol

[@moldybongwater3808]

average weezer fan

[@brig1754]

i've played skyrim to completion several times in the past and i do not remember a SINGLE line of dialogue even if morrowind is janky and old, it's so much more memorable, everything is so much more vivid and interesting compared to skyrim

[@vxicepickxv]

Were you not on the internet in 2011?

[@biologicalengineoflove6851]

By Ysgramor, you'll pay for that!

[@jjdude5531]

Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Oh, what am I saying - of course you don't.

[@murilocorrea9360]

Lydia: I am sworn to carry your burdens.

[@AltaryaDeFlammes1996]

Never should have come here!

[@zsztiagozsz]

Skyrim staying with the legion is the best way forward for both the nords and the rest of the empire Change my mind.

[@tadferd4340]

Nope, I won't, because you are objectively correct. Skyrim leaving the Empire would be orders of magnitude worse than the UK leaving the EU.

[@GregorBOlson]

Yeah just ignore their collaboration with straight up racial supremacists

[@kiwi3085]

@@GregorBOlson Both sides of that conflict are super racist. Pretty sure the Nords committed genocide against the native Elven population.

[@zsztiagozsz]

@@GregorBOlson the stormcloacks dont have a leg to stand on when criticizing others for racism.

[@zsztiagozsz]

@@GregorBOlson the stormcloacks are racist, empire isnt, empire will restore freedom of religion when they beat the elves, (if they beat the elves which being weakened by the rebellion definitelly wont help)

[@coolroxas]

Skyrim: shiny smooth mechanics of the elder scrolls For writing play morrowind For a happy medium play oblivion

[@katyungodly]

Oblivion is still my favorite. My only issues are the jump animation and the character designs.

[@coolroxas]

@@katyungodly I first played morrowind(never finished unfortunately). But Oblivion was what made me fall in love with the series

[@itsryderbabey8885]

“If you ever do a pure melee build-“ me, who has had a one handed ebony mace and a healing spell equipped since 2011: “What?”

[@martindorn3983]

Sounds like Vweesh never downloaded the "Argonian Mondo Booba" mod.

[@effinsheet]

The main storyline isn't particularly interesting but the civil war and the lore behind it are good

[@moralkombat66]

Yeah totally

[@NMahon]

Crazy how they managed to make dragons the least interesting part of the game

[@bholl6546]

One word why Skyrim will always reign supreme: music

[@TheInflicted]

Don't forget the Northerner Diaries

[@richardharris534]

Idk man the Witcher 3 has better music hands down.

[@johnjowley2223]

Oblivion has better music

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

It literally just plays the same theme over and over, which quickly loses all of its epicness when you realize how lazy the soundtrack is. It lacks variety, it lacks mixing. I mean just contrast that to Botw, where the music will dynamically alter instruments and pace depending on the situation or time of day. GRANTED! I do NOT think that Botw music is an amazing casual listening to music experience, or even more memorable, skyrim is certainly more memorable. Just saying the music gets diluted by how bad the actual game is. Like I never think "oh the dragonborn song started cause theres a dragon! THIS IS EXCITING!" I just think "ugh this lame garbage again". That might just be being biased there, but if you want supreme music just check out the Final fantasy series.

[@_bits_and_bytes]

Bethesda RPGs are "baby's first RPG" games. They're impressive to people who don't have a deep appreciation of the genre. Everything in a Bethesda RPG has been done much, much better in another RPG. The roleplaying is at a bare minimum in a Bethesda RPG too. They're more open world action adventure games than RPGs. It's pretty telling that New Vegas is considered the best modern day Bethesda RPG when it was developed by a different team.

[@kapelski104]

I love it when I can absolutely break games. I get why you wouldn't like the fact that you can make a billion damage fork or whatever but I enjoy that.

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

The thing about Skyrim is that people judge it like it’s a game released like a year ago and not like around a decade old. Sure now there are things about it that seem dated, but judging it with modern standards is comparable to judging mass effect like a modern game.

[@stonium69]

tbf that's on them for the remasters.

[@jasonfenton8250]

I still like the original Mass Effect. Skyrim is easily beaten by Gothic II a game that greatly predates it.

[@diggymgee]

It's still not good for a game thats a decade old.

[@Minimellow]

I'm not sure if that works when you talk about classics like Goldeneye 007 or early Zelda games. We still say they're good despite them being super dated. I still consider Devil May Cry 3 a masterpiece despite it being released over a decade ago.

[@blargh3428]

Even a decade ago people had all these criticisms though.

[@theguyishere249]

Red dead redemption 2 is a sand box game and it has an amazing story.

[@marciamakesmusic]

RDR2 story is dogshit, no matter your actions the story is the same. You can be a saint but during scripted sequences you don't have a choice. Why make an open world sandbox game if you're gonna railroad the player into moral decisions that they might not want to make? Also it controls like ass

[@GavinLensink]

@@marciamakesmusic Yeah the open world "mechanics" definitely contradict the way the story is played. Also doesn't help the world is pretty but very shallow gameplay wise.

[@tyleelala]

no he’s right 😭 I loved conjure but by the time youre level 70 your buddies do all the fighting for you. it instantly becomes super easy to fight and it gets boring as hell

[@bibsp3556]

so use worse stuff? you can make the game difficult

[@oxxy6678]

@@bibsp3556 imagine being so cucked for a game that instead of accepting the TRASH difficulty curve your advice is "just throw out the equipment that the game gave you bro"

[@bibsp3556]

@@oxxy6678 Alright G. Just sayin, some of the early gear looks dope and can add some RP.

[@oxxy6678]

@@bibsp3556 Making the most out of shitty game design. absolute respect

[@bibsp3556]

@@oxxy6678 first time I played through I did heaps of side quests and stuff and by the time I went back I breezed through the main quest. Later runs, I would do a couple specific dungeons for a couple pieces for the character Im playing, do the main questline early so its a bit tougher.

[@Haroog]

That's a pretty fair take on Skyrim. It's been more than 8 years since I played the game and the only character I vaguely remember is the Jarl played by Vladimir Kulich from The 13th Warrior. The main story line, equally unmemorable. From a combat perspective, I prefer more tactical, party-based games. I absolutely loathe busy work/grinding, crafting/recipes, & inventory management/shopping. There've been a few games where I've fallen behind the curve in equipment because I've held off on crafting & shopping around (in so many games the best gear is not found adventuring), despite having an abundance of ingredients & coin; ultimately leaving the game unfinished because I couldn't be bothered going through the rigmarole of upgrading - yeah, I'll do all that optimisation stuff with my best ingredients later.

[@Mauriac158]

Skyrim changed for me when I figured out the radiant quest AI was generating quests for me. I could not clear my quest log, I had a to do list that was lengthening as I attempted to clear it. Things changed for me forever after this and I could not stay invested or immersed. Mods helped somewhat, I got some fun survival game experiences and enjoyed some of the gameplay overhauls. But that's credit to the engine programmers and the modders more than the game itself.