The Summer Slaughter BACKLASH is real.

[@terminaldeity]

The fuck is he talking about? People hated the entire final season of Game of Thrones. The 2nd to last episode was also hated because it made zero sense in the context of the story that the show had spent 8 seasons building up. He's defeating his own argument with that analogy.

[@DrumThruDriveIn]

Summer Slaughter and Metal Fest and the All-Stars tour gave my band opportunities and we opened up for a lot of band on those bills. It was a dream come true actually playing that main stage at the Grove of Anaheim and that was all due to the promoters. They gave us a chance cuz they saw how hard we worked. nothing but respect.

[@orala2593]

That game of thrones analogy DID NOT WORK AT ALL

[@Jeffmetal42]

Yea, he says a lot of stuff that makes no sense. 🤣

[@frost9344]

Mad for no reason lol ​@Jeffmetal42

[@Jeffmetal42]

@@frost9344 I am? What am I mad about?

[@blastfiend7478]

Europeans and Americans complaining about lineups and festivals when you live in Australia and lucky to see any international band every few years is eye rolling af, you guys don’t know how good you have it

[@its.okay.to.be.christian]

Australia is not real. Stop gaslighting us.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Facts

[@Mr_jz_12]

Seems to be only Electric callboy, In flames and Megadeth who've toured more than one in past few years. What i'd give to go to those european/usa festivals!

[@PsillyApeUSA]

As an Aussie living in North Carolina USA I completely concur. It’s hard being an Australian but at least we have a very solid local scene

[@Mr_jz_12]

@@PsillyApeUSA there is some seriously underrated bands in Melbourne. Orpheus omega, belakor, ne obliviscaris.... 👍

[@infirmatube1556]

I think the backlash with the line-up is not the lack of ''legacy acts'' but lack of musical variety. This upcoming Summer Slaughter leans heavy on the ''core'' side of extreme metal where line ups of the past had a solid mix of genres.

[@TrueMithrandir]

having more mediocre bands like TBDM and Cattle Decapitation is hardly a variety lmao

[@SwolePapi15]

@@TrueMithrandir except TBDM and Cattle Decap are infinitely better than every single band on that tour

[@lucagrieman3681]

I mean, the first summer slaughter I went to had brutal death metal, progressive, core, technical, slam…it really did have more variety, and it did make it really fun. I do think previous years had more variety than this year.

[@TrueMithrandir]

@@markbond08 cringe

[@huntermercier00]

Core is what’s big rn, can’t be mad at him for leaning more towards that kinda music, if you’re that mad about it just don’t go, it’s that easy, or you could keep bitching and change absolutely nothing

[@mcfleury]

Sorry Ash but you don’t understand why everyone hated Game of Thrones 😂 great interview

[@Poomayne]

Yeah, as others have said; it’s not that people wanted “legacy” bands, they wanted heavier bands that are either Deathcore/Deathmetal/progressive metal adjacent that historically dominated the lineup when we think of the tour. Now we get 3-4 Deathcore bands out 9, no death metal and no progressive band outside of VOM. None of the bands are “ bad” , - I like and have recently seen the many of them headline , but yeah, Chaos and Carnage is the “vibe” that Summer Slaughter historically was. The name is important because there is a vibe/genre associated with that brand even if that may not have been the point. I’m glad he came on and explained anyway and told us his goal was never to just have a really ”heavy” or “brutal” tour but to bring up rising underground acts in heavy music.

[@sdfgh6017]

Also most of these bands come though regularly and there really isn’t a draw to bring people in like some one off band ree unite

[@Poomayne]

@@sdfgh6017 That too. If you live in a major city or good touring market most of the top bands on this come through pretty often or reliably so the urgency or “specialness” isn’t there.

[@pointymason]

People aren't mad because of the lack of legacy acts. They're mad because it's always been more on the extreme side of metal and this line up isn't.

[@noahhumphrey2293]

Bramd of sacrifice is more intense than most other headliners theyve had💀

[@Brutaldeathkingpin]

​@@noahhumphrey2293 rehash of any other deathcore band peeling flesh makes them look like pop

[@gemcitysnowoppfreeirishmob9777]

​@@BrutaldeathkingpinPeeling Flesh is the shit live

[@SwolePapi15]

@@noahhumphrey2293 you forget a /s?

[@meh...4966]

⁠@@noahhumphrey2293 That is simply not true. They’re the only band that I feel belongs on the bill, besides maybe veil of maya, and I enjoyed seeing BoS at Summer Slaughter ‘19. But come on now 💀they’ve had necrophagist, Morbid angel, and cattle decap headline before, please be serious.

[@hardcorehopefoundation9925]

Ash is such a solid guy. He gave me a chance as an unknown promoter back in the day. I was the promoter at a venue called The House of Rock in Carteresville Ga. He sent me some really awesome shows just to give me a chance. A Day to Remember, Too Pure To Die, The Faceless, As Blood Runs Black and several others. This was before Sumerian. I really do appreciate what Ash actually did to support unknown people like me, gave me really valuable advice for no reason other than to just help me out.

[@MethGoldblum]

That Game of Thrones analogy died a death haha what was he even talking about?

[@JHAN1212]

Its annoying when everyone looks at backlash and labels people as "haters". It literally feels like if you dislike anything, your reasons are automatically invalidated by people with different opinions. If you enjoy something, and someone tells you why they don't, that's not an attack. I think the reasons for criticism against this tour are pretty obvious to see. It's more of a boilerplate metalcore tour than what Summer Slaughter is known for. I haven't seen any significant number of people actually hating on Ash or throwing insults. Yeah, people are roasting and criticizing the lineup, but I don't see how that's a problem. Its completely normal to air your grievances in hopes that it influences the future product, and simply skip the show this year. Some people will just hand wave any criticism aside with stupid arguments just because they hate it when people disagree with them. Person 1: "I like this thing!" Person 2: "I think this thing sucks. Here's why:" Person 1: "You're just a hater!" Only one of these people is being toxic...

[@seanstreck3226]

Alot of the backlash is vitriolic and unproductive so I would say there's plenty of 'hating' drowning out constructive criticism.

[@therealmccoyruf]

Criticizing isn’t always 100% of the people being “haters”, but I ain’t 0% either. There’s a lot of percentages besides those two.

[@caustichymnproductions]

When a tour is pitched as "THE MOST EXTREME TOUR OF THE YEAR" and the bill is dominated by metalcore bands, you should expect a substantial amount of backlash, especially when you consider the tour's past lineups.

[@kdogg7882]

Then don’t go I guess

[@TrueMithrandir]

having more mediocre bands like TBDM and Cattle Decapitation is hardly a variety lmao

[@discruster666]

@@kdogg7882he doesn’t have to go to have an opinion on it lmao

[@Weakling250]

​@@TrueMithrandir bro go back to class, you need to rethink everything you've ever done/said

[@ShttyHardcoreCovers]

@@TrueMithrandirTBDM smokes everyone on this tour with or without Trevor and it’s not even close.

[@nukadirtbag9373]

Went from saying "if you don't like the lineup just don't go" to "who cares if you dont like the bands, just go anyway to meet people" in the span of 3 minutes.

[@xFuzzyxPicklesx]

just to meet people is so funny. cant you do that at ANY show with bands you like? lol

[@buttermybuns9529]

When past lineups had bands like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus, Nile, Cattle Decapitation, Krisiun, The Black Dahlia Murder, Obscura, Beyond Creation, Suffocation, Morbid Angel, Origin, Decrepit Birth, Cryptopsy, Vader, Necrophagist, etc. and you come back after a 5 year absence with this weak ass lineup, you should expect backlash. Especially when you promote yourself as the most extreme tour of the year. I’m aware that plenty of said bands are already on tour or busy with other things and that’s perfectly fine. It’s not like im being forced to attend. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why there is backlash. But I hope it goes well and hopefully next years lineup is better.

[@rybo0072]

Literally every band you just listed are from like 20+ years ago at this point ffs!! This is the problem with metal it's lingering in the past and it's not healthy for the genre

[@buttermybuns9529]

@@rybo0072Maybe cause these bands are infinitely better than anything that’s on the current lineup? And it doesn’t have to be any of the bands I mentioned. But if you’re gonna call yourself an extreme tour then get some extreme acts. You mention lingering in the past. You know how many times Veil of Maya have played on summer slaughter? Atleast 5 times already. Like I said, I’m happy they’re back, but I personally won’t be going. I wish them success and I hope anyone that does go enjoys themselves.

[@evanwiger]

No​@@rybo0072

[@mitchvechart7164]

What killed it for me was this guy’s unprofessionalism to the backlash on Instagram.

[@pukelius4128]

What did he do/say?

[@digitalmortality2001]

@@pukelius4128 some anti-vax conservative bullshit, absolutely random

[@bobjenks8642]

@@digitalmortality2001I thought that was hilarious

[@rebekahcarter8120]

I don't agree with Ash on everything but I definitely respect him & I don't think he deserves all the hate he gets. I'm so over these people who have nothing better to do than talk shit online. Also, he's 100% right about people being more connected than ever & yet lonely. So, so true.

[@stg_tmc]

Glad to see you’re still doing interviews; some of my favourite content!

[@DeXJeX]

He claims a tour with ‘legacy acts’ like Dying Fetus would cost $300 then continues to say Lorna Shore is larger now than the legacy bands yet they announced a massive tour and I paid less than $55.

[@mutantdog.]

Right off the bat he makes a game of thrones analogy and completely fails to understand the reason there was a fan backlash against that. I don’t even know what this interview is about but that sure ain’t a good start.

[@rossh2386]

That opening game of thrones analogy didn’t even touch why people didn’t like the series finale. So seems like he doesn’t understand anything

[@mattwhite399]

lol, agreed. He’s not even in the same universe of why the last season of GoT is hated.

[@gingeranagram2467]

Bruh I almost had a fucking stroke when he said that. The rage is still deeply ingrained

[@bigsmooshflopdong33]

Dudes just out of touch with what his target audience wants.

[@DigitalBath306]

last season was a downer from start to finish lol

[@gingeranagram2467]

@DigitalBath306 the last 2 and a half sucked, but 6 had some great highlights. 7 was just garbage and 8 was full-on character assassination

[@yamatorisan]

I mean you couldn’t just put CorpsePile, Bodybox, Peelingflesh, Snuffed On Sight, 200 Stab Wounds, Sunami if you want modern bands and fresh lineup.

[@xFuzzyxPicklesx]

hes an out of touch poser

[@xDetroitMetalx]

Dying Fetus, Full of Hell, Sanguisugabogg, Jesus Piece, etc. was $37.50 a ticket. Cattle Decapitation, Carnifex, Rivers of Nihil, etc. was $30.00. Summer Slaughter is $36.50. All ticket prices are from Pontiac Michigan. None of these bands made either tour more expensive than the other. The only difference is that Summer Slaughter hasn't sold out in my location yet. The other tours did. Edit since Morbid Angel was mentioned: Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Uada, etc. tour is $35 a ticket. How the heck did $300 get thrown out there? These are all a 1 night "festival" not Friday-Sunday.

[@real30yearoldboomerhours53]

I actually really like the Summer Slaughter lineup! Sucks it’s not coming out my way lol. Ash and the Sumerian gang put on the best tour packages back in the day. They made my 2010s

[@XvXMONSTERXvX]

Kevin from warped tour went through the time thing and honestly, ash should pull the plug on the tour like kevin did it's super expensive to tour and the amount of available quality acts for the tour is definitely a lot less compared to previous tours, fans have chaos and carnage to go too instead anyway and judging by low ticket sales for a lot of the stops chaos and carange might not be around long term either

[@lifewithintergrity]

People will bitch about anything. Summer slaughter tour is badass and if you don’t like the bands this year, don’t go. Also, Metal Sucks isn’t even worth paying attention to. They’re basically Liberal TMZ for metal.

[@dgator75]

Didnt even hear the interview because as soon as I saw his shirt, I was just playing The Shape of Punk to Come in my head.

[@wertyghjkl-fc3dx]

..."will lead us".........

[@HughesyTech]

This reminds me a bit of Counter Revolution 2011 here in Australia, was an all-day event in clubs. Brought everyone together.

[@hunterking6033]

Honestly, cheaper tours are always a win. It's a win for fans. I used to go to shows all the time in high school to see 4 or more bands for $15. I could get 2 shirts for $30 or less. It was awesome. And talking about diverse tours. In 2019, I saw Dance Gavin Dance, Periphery, Don Broco, Hail the Sun, and Covet on the same tour. It was a great show.

[@michaellucas853]

One of the issues for a returning tour is the fans are going to better remember the bands, experience, and ticket prices more than the statuses of the bands and tour at the time, so even though the tour is following the same formula, it doesn't feel the same to those fans when you don't see those bands you connect with the tour and easy to let down.

[@russell_the_love_muscle]

People hate on Finns videos, but the interviews are insightful.

[@andrewlikesmetal1095]

I don't know seems like a fine lineup. I don't know why people are being weird about this, it's really not bad. A tour isn't going to be custom tailored to what you want idk. Found a lot of great music I didn't think I'd like by going to shows with bands I wasn't used to. As for the 'culture' of summer slaughter I remember people moaning and complaining about lineups for the old tours too when they happened so I guess nothing has really changed in 5 years. I will say that GoT rant was some weird jank though, shit made no sense.

[@thomascarpenter1347]

Dude is completely misunderstanding the backlash - it's because the tour used to have a variety of extreme metal subgenres: death/progressive/core etc. This year's lineup is almost exclusively metalcore/deathcore with almost no representation from other subgenres. No one gives a shit if Cannibal Corpse is there, but what about Frozen Soul, Sanguisugabogg, 200 Stab Wounds, Creeping Death, Gatecreeper, Blood Incantation etc.? The list could go on. Saying that Veil Of Maya is at the front of the pack right now is just delusional - that band hasn't been relevant in years. If he was serious about boosting new bands, there's an infinite amount of fresh music that would've been better for this type of tour. The tour poster LITERALLY says "The Most Extreme Tour Of The Year" - pardon the public for expecting that lmao

[@SinisterTechnician]

Thank you everyone for getting up in arms about this tour. I didn't even know it was coming to my town and my buddy and I bought tickets last night. Can't wait to see Brand of Sacrifice/VoM again. Also excited to see Within Destruction/Left to Suffer/Ten56 for the first time. And yeah that GoT analogy was fucking stupid.

[@stevenramirez1179]

Gideons a goofy pandering fad chasing band. They rode the Christian metalcore wave then they started playing death core/beat down with cuss words now they’re doing stuff with country. Super talented super cringe. Brat on the other hand is the secret sauce on this line up. Do not miss their set. Shit slams super hard and they aren’t stage potatoes. I’d Pay $20 just to see Brat

[@DregHeaps]

I don’t believe him when he says tours with big legacy bands can’t happening anymore, were getting a Morbid Angel/Suffocation headlining tour and sick newer bands like Uada, Knoll, Fulci and Mortiferum opening. I don’t think people wanted huge bands, just ones that people are actually into outside of deathcore/metalcore circles.

[@Gremlack13]

This guy looks, sounds, and feels like a slimy snake oil salesman, but a lot of what he actually said makes sense.

[@suddenswarm5944]

Haven't watched the full video, but what you said pretty much fits the description of a good snake oil salesman

[@anthonygillette]

I love when name brand festivals (and in this case Summer Slaughter is absolutely a household name for metal fests) I prefer seeing these lesser known bands. Yeah, we all love Black Dahlia, JfaC, etc. but these bands are 10, 15+ years old. We need some new blood in the scene and we all need to give these young bands a chance to prove themselves. Don’t like them just because they’re new or they’re here, but if they’re good and we don’t support them there’s not going to be a future for the music.

[@subparnaturedocumentary]

@14:20 yup man my sister did college radio at stockton in new jersey and thats how i found out about all the hardcore shows at vfws and american legions and whatnot

[@RiffGrimez]

11:14 - Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Prevail are bigger than the biggest legacy death metal bands. Also shoutout to Ash’s self care routine. Dude looks like he hasn’t aged at all in 20 yrs.

[@MakeshiftR0b0t]

I hope this tour does well so it can keep going, but look at the upcoming Lorna Shore tour, or Devastation on the Nation. They have good, diverse lineups that people are excited for. It's very lame for this guy to be blaming the fans for the reaction to the disappointing lineup. It'd be better to just not say anything and hope it does well. You're just alienating fans by blaming them. It's not easy setting up any tour but fuck this guy for this mentality.

[@emersonr7481]

Been to many of these back then, just watch death metal and deathcore bands that I had already known about at the time. I never went to them to discover new bands. Never went to meet people. NYC, it was always fights. We just went for the death metal/deathcore bands and the mosh pits. And you can't compare gideon to Hatebreed. Hatebreed stand on their convictions and values. Their message has never changed. Can't be a Christian metalcore band gone atheist and expect decrepit birth fans to like em. And Chaos and Carnage is shining light on newer death metal acts too. I'm ok with The Zenith Passage. I'm over the faceless. As for summer slaughter. My first one was back in 2009. This is extremely different from that. Hope the bands do well this year, and I hope Ash pays them well. Hope Chaos and Carnage continue what they've done this year into the following years.

[@nickudeschini4812]

That's not even remotely why everyone hated the last couple episodes of Game of Thrones Honestly the main reason there's a backlash is that there's really no strong headliner to justify the cost. Not sure what that means for the metal scene in general if nobody running these things can apparently afford an anchor band.

[@emersonr7481]

50 bucks and VOM is headlining. I've seen them 10x in their prime. They'll always have a special place in my heart. But they're not a band I enjoy anymore. Don't really like their newer stuff. I really don't like the fact that I'm bashing on this tour, but it is definitely not the SS tour I grew up going to.

[@JyStar]

So first, I would absolutely LOVE a concert with the mix of variety you talked about; give me, for instance, Venom Prison, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Valdrin, Husbandry and Cosmic Joke, and I will buy a ticket TODAY(or in keeping with the V-letter theme, add in Vodun, Venomous Concept and Voivod). Variety is awesome, and at least to me, that's what missing here on this go-round(outside of Tallah and Brat, who I really like - excited to finally see Brat later this year). Putting aside the argument that the people with criticism about the lineup are just "rusty gatekeepers" not liking the current thing, which is dismissive, obviously, what surprised me the most about this run is just how many styles of metal are missing - especially among the upcoming bands. I mean, one year brought us Cephalic Carnage, Decapitated and Animals as Leaders(with Tosin Abasi in all white in the blazing GA sun on my stop - great times) on the same bill. Dillinger, The Ocean, Aeon and Periphery on another. So in a way, the tour was already bridging the "divided" scenes(or at least bringing them in the same venue at the same time) - death metal, metalcore, deathcore, progressive, grindcore, deathgrind, slam once or twice, sometimes straight out fun metal things like Powerglove and Nekrogoblikon; both upcoming and legacy existed. I don't think a single lineup had one direct style except this year, '09, and maybe the very first year. No idea why the reaction is being boiled down to elitists hating new bands. There was always plenty of new bands on the tour. I don't know, man. I get that I, as a concert-goer, don't fully understand the logistics of planning a big tour like this. Fair. The days of $25 tickets are dead for a lot of reasons, times are tough all the way around, touring just keeps getting more expensive and bands have a lot more shit to contend with. With that said, the pre-promotion leaning on the past set the tone for the reaction. I think Veil of Maya more than earned their top-billing personally, and honestly, I hope the bands all do well. But... maybe it's all in a name; branding, as it goes. I wager to bet that if this was under the Thrash and Burn banner, the vitriol from defenders and detractors alike wouldn't be as strong.

[@Chimney_Sweep_Barmby]

Well im in grouo of i had no idea summer slauguter was back but im glad it is

[@jonnykhatru]

He's wrong about what people didn't like about Game of Thrones and he's wrong about what people didn't like about the festival 😂

[@sdfgh6017]

I don’t think he really understands why people have a issue with the line up or the response that they made legit just being “ your all haters” and just going on a rant about vaccines in response to the metalsucks article also the got was absolute terrible example

[@MF-mq4gb]

Guys completely deaf to what people are really upset about. It's not about comparing years. It's not about expecting something bigger and better than the past. You don't have to have "younger" bands running the headlining spots. I just hear a bunch of excuses. Please don't talk to any of us about how expensive it might be for a band to travel across the country because we're all out here struggling. If you can't do 20 or 30 venues then do less, if you're going to call it Summer slaughter tour and you haven't been around for many years I don't understand why you wouldn't at least bring this same level of music as in the past. All of that aside veil of Maya and brand of sacrifice really are not that good when you look at all the rest of the metal bands out there that could have been in this lineup. I don't know why the organizers wouldn't want fans from different generations to show up.

[@bloodandguts88]

For me summer slaughter was introducing the older bands to younger guys that all they knew was stuff like as I lay dying and vice versa I loved every like up they had and I love that it's coming back with brand of sacrifice as a headliner they are the future but there should be some more of stuff too

[@corykphotography]

Just make a tour with Caninus, Waking the Cadaver, We Came With Broken Teeth, heavy heavy low low, and I set my friends on fire

[@Cold84]

I won't go to this one because I don't know the vast majority of these bands, but I went to many summer slaughter tours all the way back to the days they are referencing of more heavy bands. The last one I went to had btbam headlining with their most prog record as their most recent, boo, vom, erra, and I loved that lineup so much but it did seem so weird to me this was summer slaughter, they could have changed the name and had just as much or maybe even more of a turnout because there was not a ton of people there. By the time btbam was on it felt like there was hardly anyone there, many people were sitting at the tables, I felt like one of the very few that was acutally into btbam there lol. At least compared to the older SS's where it was all tech death deathcore esc stuff I remember there being just as many people, if not more, if those were losing so much money I can only imagine these newer ones like I mentioned these bands are asking for even more money, so I don't get it. Actually, looking through past SS's, it seems these days people are talking about of Necrophagist esc bands only happened a few times then they hard switched to more multi metal subgenres, tho I guess I am like these people online that when they think of summer slaughter they think of those days.

[@cosmicsea666]

Thank you for this video! I love these types of conversations because I like the education. I appreciate the candid interviews with industry people because it gives insight into the "why" things are the way they are. I hope for more of this type of content because I think it's important that we hear from the actual players who are actually doing something for the community. As you said: less cancellation, and more conversation. Thank you Finn!

[@bigsmooshflopdong33]

This dude lost his argument in less than a minute into the video.

[@imvengeance666]

He makes a lot of good points, about legacy bands and bigger acts being busy, or too big to book the same way, etc. And also about the gatekeeping culture... but it did come off as a little tone deaf. I'm always down to check out new bands, I found Whitechapel from that Summer Slaughter tour he mentioned when they were first to play on the Black Dahlia bill. I've seen a grip of Summer Slaughter tours, but the tours did set a standard with the bands they put on in the past. And it seems like he doesnt deny either that this current bill is wildly different from past bills. It just doesn't "feel" like a Summer Slaughter bill. It "feels" less. I'm glad its back, and I appreciate what he's done, but I'm far less interested in this tour than I ever have been for an SS tour. That's not me hating, just having an honest opinion of where its at now.

[@TrealFOET]

I think he just messed up the variety.. and alot of that may be due to timing but you have 2 deatchcore bands headlining and no other deathmetal bands on the bill plus hardcore bands and thats going to piss off a lot of purists of deathmetal.. they have always had tech death, death metal, deathcore, metal core, etc variety but this year is definitely geared towards a newer generation or atleast the deathcore generation.. which is fine but i do get why he is getting backlash.

[@emersonr7481]

​@@TrealFOETnah bro. I wish they put on an actual hardcore band like incendiary. There are no hardcore bands on this tour. Mostly new age metalcore bands, including VOM. Can't blame us old heads for expecting more. SS was something we looked forward to every year. I don't mind a couple of these bands, such as brand of sacrifice and cabal. They're really good acts, but this definitely doesn't feel like SS from back in the day. I'm not paying 50 bucks to see VOM headline. Seen them about 10x when they had Brandon. Done with SS.

[@colehensley7844]

Summer Slaughter always had something for everyone but this year it seems to have nothing for anyone.

[@rybo0072]

You mean nothing for old fückers with beer bellies that haven't moved on from the 80s/90s

[@colehensley7844]

No, I don’t mean that.

[@TrealFOET]

@@colehensley7844 i would definitely see some of the bands but this definitely has the least variety that i have ever seen from them so far

[@GrindWeCrust]

​@@rybo0072 Sorry no one likes Tik Tok Kore ya nerd 😂😂😂

[@gregorytittle6949]

I attended the Death By Decibels Tour 07 at the no longer there the building was torn down years ago The Hayloft in Mt.Clemens Michigan 🤘🤘

[@Dropearth]

Dropearth🎉 2024!

[@Brutaldeathkingpin]

Sorry that people dont want deathcore on a extreme metal tour especially watered down modern core bratt is the only heavy band on the tour ignore creeping death sanguishsogbog frozen soul undeath tomb mold 200 stab wounds peeling flesh snuffed of sight

[@TrealFOET]

i mean deathcore bands have been on every year since 2007 lol...

[@Brutaldeathkingpin]

@@TrealFOET and so

[@TrealFOET]

@Brutaldeathkingpin so why would you go to a tour that has always had deathcore on the bill since the very 1st tour lol wtf.. There is plenty of other tours you could attend but youre complaining about the main one that has always had deathcore involved, just skip summer slaughter altogether, problem solved 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[@Brutaldeathkingpin]

@@TrealFOET one band that's deathcore lol on a death metal tour and usally it's bands that lean death metal

[@Brutaldeathkingpin]

@@TrealFOET if you think this tour was always deathcore your truly blind it's always been a mix

[@howdisturbing]

Ska Rules!

[@slayabouts]

Hell yeah brother

[@prodigy-ke7sl]

The bands are fucking great. It’s just that when you market something as the most extreme, the bands should be the most extreme.

[@TypicalKid100]

Biohazard and Dying Fetus!? That would’ve been insane

[@StinkWeaselArt]

I heard of BRAT like 3 weeks before this tour was announced and was super exited for them. I have a theory they will blow up in a couple years.

[@johnbrown8570]

Yeah white female lead hardcore is the trendy thing now.

[@thomasm3100]

I personally don’t think it’s that bad. I’ll still go, but admittedly it could be better

[@budabear48]

Ten56 is coming to Austin, Ash is the Badazs of the year in my book.🤘 That's after me going to Big Texas Metal Fest who scored All Shall Parish 1st return to stage

[@lightningmonky7674]

I just looked at the lineup and it looks fun to me, tho I'm not familiar with this festivals history. Also I've never even seen GOT and I know this guy was off the mark on why people didn't like the ending

[@jasonlauritsen5587]

It is a Death Metal and Grindcore tour, maybe the odd Black Metal, or extreme prog acts can occasionally be featured but it's supposed to be Dying Fetus, Cannibal Corpse, Suffocation, Anal Nathrakh, or anything else of the sort, not hardcore, or deathcore. It'd be like having Garth Brooks at Warped Tour, or Cannibal Corpse at Coachella.

[@lightningmonky7674]

@@jasonlauritsen5587 i mean those bands are really cool too, I guess it would be better if they I clouded some of those bands too but I'm not really seeing a huge problem

[@lightningmonky7674]

@@jasonlauritsen5587 I see where you're coming from! If we were to make the compromise of having new extreme bands play at the tour who would you like to see? I mean bands from the past 5 years

[@jasonlauritsen5587]

@@lightningmonky7674 Sonivinos, Sulfur Aeon, Alkaloid. But the tour needs legacy acts to bring in the ticket sales. There's a ton of older mid level popularity bands like Immolation or Unmerciful they could bring in, and they need to still bring in the bigger bands like Dying Fetus to keep people coming.

[@wolfsguitarden740]

VoM and BOS are both amazing bands ( especially veil to me ).. not to mention those are just the headlines..i agree its also about the experience..ive played alot of tours an been to even more and they are some of the most incredible memories i have.this tour was always great ,ppl need to give it a chance an i bet they would be surprised.idk man it seems ppl just need to complain about shit🙄

[@CunchwapSupeme]

Overall, I think the best point made here is that metal and hardcore subgenres ARE more divided and gatekept than ever before and there’s absolutely no fucking reason for it. If the tour did have legacy death metal acts on it, we would still hear a bunch of whiny purists in the comments complaining about the deathcore and metalcore bands even being part of the lineup. The genre has expanded out to so many different directions, and that’s one of our greatest strengths, but we have lost the sense of community that we used to have.

[@tonyMFKNstarr]

Fuck the haters and bring in the MUSIC!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@oceanzmusic]

I went when rings of saturn and thy art played that show was wild

[@Infinitespace04]

What do people expect. At the coliseum in my city, it's easily $150-200 for a good headliner with 2 lucky local bands opening.. this is for the seats. GA is $300+. People want 10 headline bands in a festival format for $60... It's crazy.

[@meinfuss1709]

I'm going to this show.

[@ZackSeifMusic]

Ash is a legend and part of the reason the entire scene stayed alive in the late 00s and early 10s with the bands he helped.

[@justified_edc]

I hope he sees this dude 💦

[@mediumvillain]

If anyone forgot: when the lineup was announced first there was an immediate negative reaction about the overall less prestigious lineup for what was once a premiere extreme metal show. It wasnt about "legacy acts" even a little bit. There are a metric shitton of death metal, deathcore, melodeath, tech death, prog death, deathgrind, grindcore, cybergrind & weird experimental extreme metal bands etc. etc. It's not like these are terrible bands that nobody wants to see, but why isnt Summer Slaughter able to attract any of the bigger acts in the scene, more well-known up-and-comers, or even the bands that usually show up for it? It's a valid question. But Then, just to make things worse, the guy running the Summer Slaughter social media accounts responded to this reaction with an ignorant, unhinged right wing political diatribe for some reason, pretty much unprovoked, "dont like the lineup? Youre all a bunch of dumb liberal cucks" or whatever NPC dialogue these boring reactionary imbeciles do. Not exactly class acts. People told them they dont like the lineup this year and someone on their staff (probably drunkenly) tried to turn it into a culture war thing instead of being about the bands or the music. So this is PR, marketing, they've realized they need to do some damage control and spin this a different way. Which they do, obviously. A show that regularly featured bands like Cattle Decapitation isnt gonna go well with bands or audiences if ppl think it's run by the Proud Boys and its best days are behind it. (Maybe that would bring Slaughter to Prevail back lmao) So, what social media influencers can they call to do some good old access journalism? Who will treat us with kid gloves in exchange for an 'exclusive interview'? Who will let us direct the conversation & the narrative? You might expect to see them on RockFeed next.

[@albert2524]

the Main guy who's running SS's socials is this guy Ash. He keeps being butthurt and basically saying "you'll all see my tour will be the best". He keeps digging himself, and the tours reputation, into a deeper and deeper hole. Theres a point where he should just shut up and let things roll out. Just stop whining and let things play out. The more he continues to whine and complain about the people hating his tour, the more reasons people have to hate his tour.

[@xFuzzyxPicklesx]

i also heard there were about 100 people MAX at some shows

[@Maniacal_Mosh]

People are too caught up in the nostalgia of old sumerian and all those bands. It was 16-17 years ago. Those bands are not the same as they were and they definitely don't cost the same. As he said, everyone paid their dues. I wish Veil would play the commons man collapse, but they just aren't that anymore. I think this lineup is fine. It's just not cost effective to book. Carnifex/Cattle/Job/Whitechapel gotta pass the torch.

[@CalebHimself]

The lineup is just mid lol that’s simple as that. Nothing to deep to look into

[@elbarto4594]

As a pro wrestling fan i love how he relates everything to pro wrestling. Also I'm mad he has a show at Wiltern in La worst place to have a show in La

[@MrCopacetic23]

It really is a dreadful venue, and it feels like whenever there’s a sick lineup, that’s the one place they stop in LA if they even stop altogether.

[@jackpw6593]

I've only seen people complain about the fact that there's no death metal bands on summerslaughter anymore. It's just deathcore bands. And I'm personally really tired of hearing the same deathcore riffs over and over again.

[@jaegermeister798]

I like deathcore like Shadow of Intent, Lorna Shore, and Brand of Sacrifice; but admittedly, I would rather listen to Cattle Decapitation and Aborted over bands like Signs of The Swarm and Thy Art is Murder. Don’t get me wrong, I like the breakdowns and heavy riffs but I want to hear that shit mixed in with a lot more death metal than we typically get.

[@kingthorgrim1591]

Haters gonna hate, that's just how it is

[@MetalcoreBassCover]

Really appreciate this interview!

[@frankenstone777]

@7:00mark ol boy starts speakn tha truth!

[@musicwithjames2744]

I think personally its a great line up. Im going. I know a majority of the bands. Especially tallah. Im stoked to go people just complain about everything

[@SinnedNogara]

Summer Slaughter always has had weak lineups (2013, 2015, 2018) where you have to ask what the fuck where they thinking? The "wanting to support up and coming bands" is so full of shit. Veil of Maya is 18 years old. Where's Lorna Shore, Slaughter to Prevail, Gatecreeper (which has a bigger draw than VoM), Frozen Soul, Archspire, Sanguisugabogg, Fugitive?

[@Remmy0930]

Im glad to have went to the last Summer Slaughter with Cattle Decap, Faceless, Rivers of Nihil, Lorna. This lineup isn't it. I know it'll probably still sell well... but the last lineup was THE perfect blend. Comparing THAT bill to this one is night and day.

[@greengargoyle420]

Most of the bands people are expecting to be part of the lineup are doing their own things right now. This is why people make fun of anyone who listens to heavy music and say that we're stuck in the past, because every time newer bands are backed on a big tour like this everyone loses their minds.

[@maxumilli0n739]

All those bands in 2 days for $50 is a steal.

[@anthonyferranti7018]

He handed it so poorly at the time it must have been embarrassing

[@wastedyouth732]

People complaining dont realize how lucky and somewhat easy it was to book tours in the early 2000s. It was an insane era of music, plus social media was just starting, so we straight up got a face full of insane smaller bands from all over the country. So these tours would come around, and you'd wanna go the second it was announced. Now we are so spoiled the second a tour like this comes out it doesn't have the effect it did when we were younger. Im stoked for this show to check out some of the openers

[@Jakemetalhead439]

I can kinda see the criticism for this not being as heavy as past lineups and shit, but that being said, I dunno if it's me not being familiar with Summer Slaughter and had to do research on previous lineups or what, but this lineup still rips, and for me is a win for heavy music🤘

[@jasonlauritsen5587]

Look up the past lineups and you will see that it's a death metal tour, with the occasional grindcore, extreme prog, or black metal band, not effing 'core bands that play open notes the entire time, and have the same dogsh!t riffless songs

[@TrealFOET]

@@jasonlauritsen5587 this is just not true lol... in 2007 for the necrophagist tour they had as blood runs black (deathcore), the faceless, ion dissonance and beneath the massacre were all adding deathcore elements at that time even if they were mainly tech death.. Then in 2008 the black dahlia headlined with despised icon (probably the 1st major deathcore band), whitechapel (deathcore) and born of osiris (deathcore), and the faceless again as supporting acts... Literally since the very 1st tour in 2007 they have had deathcore bands on the lineups..

[@BloodRed87]

The backlash isn't because there's not a bunch of older bands in the lineup, it's because of the severe lack of traditional death metal and tech death bands and mostly just -core bands. I've tried listening to many metalcore and deathcore bands since the early 2000's and I can confidently say that I DO NOT like both genres. Period. And I'm sure there's plenty of metal fans, old and young, that share the same opinion. Also, look at Maryland Deathfest's and Milwaukee Metal Fest's lineup this year. Sure there's alot of great older, well established bands but there's also alot of great younger, newer bands as well. So for Mr. Avildsen to say we're mad because we just wanted a bunch of old bands on Summer Slaughter '24 is just plain ignorant and stupid. He obviously went with the easy route by booking a mostly metalcore/deathcore lineup. Which is fine, whatever. It's his tour. But to not expect criticism from metal fans about it is just foolish.

[@leroy92TX]

I wish you told us what this guys role is in this situation up front. Didnt know if this was a frontman of the band or what.

[@dereknorris4543]

This tour will not sell out

[@DennisFeinsteinCEO]

I do nothing but thank the guy for what he's done for modern metal. Salute bud 🫡

[@albert2524]

made me realize how much better the good ol days were 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@andymansell1052]

Just wait a couple years, there will be a Deathcore "When We Were Young" for it's 20th anniversary.

[@samwroblewski748]

Problem is... Ash has been doing this shit since his label took over promotion of the tour. I wasnt a fan of Summarian bands, so i stopped attending. No one should be batting an eye that he put a tour together that heavily favors his guys.

[@xFuzzyxPicklesx]

you can tell when shit like periphery was added

[@Grzegorz_is_Baq]

I don't get the treatment of people who have different opinions, different tastes in music or expressing their criticism like haters. This is so goddamned stupid, arrogant and straight up toxic like you need to combine your powers and bring Captain Planet to clean this BS but seriously this is social media comments reality and the more you ignore it the more sane you stay. BTW I love how all those people from countries where events or festivals are so rare that they just drop the BS and go like shut the F up and stop complaining you don't know how lucky you are ❤ I love you guys 😊

[@Carouac]

Insane revisionist history here. Read any forum reacting to the penultimate Game of Thrones episode. Universal complaints.

[@radyoung779]

BRAT is the homies from New Orleans. They're coming up.

[@justinhildebrand1515]

The only band on the line up i listen to is brand of sacrifice so i wont be going. Thats all people have to do if they dont like it dont go 🤷‍♂️ im not happy with the line up either but there is plenty of other tours going on

[@real30yearoldboomerhours53]

There’s some cool bands on there. Veil of Maya(both their old and new stuff is good) and Left To Suffer you might dig if you like Brand of Sacrifice

[@justinhildebrand1515]

@@real30yearoldboomerhours53 ive seen veil of maya a few times never been into them. Most of the stuff i listen to is death metal. Im not the biggest fan of deathcore either i do like some deathcore bands tho

[@aricofficialmusic8839]

I think, you will hear all of the people who listen to old bands being vocals, the real people are too busy getting the tickets and stay silent to echo chamber of the comments that attracts a bunch of people who talk crap and make their profile private, cuz they are scared. But their uproar is not reality 😊 thank god….you’ll see at the festival the people who matter, and the complainers will just continue look at their phones complaining and that’s it. The likes their hate comments get is the little bit of highlights they will get, but it’s a false reality they live in. 😂

[@ryanrowe1975]

Great interview