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The Tarim Basin Mummies by Victor Mair

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Penn Museum

Penn Museum

13 жыл бұрын

The exhibition Secrets of the Silk Road explores the history of the vast desert landscape of the Tarim Basin, located in Western China, and the mystery of the peoples who lived there. Located at the crossroads between East and West, oasis towns within the Tarim Basin were key way stations for anyone traveling on the legendary Silk Road. Extraordinarily well-preserved human remains found at these sites reveal ancient people of unknown descent. Caucasian in appearance, these mummies challenge long-held beliefs about the history of the area, and early human migration. The material excavated suggests the area was active for thousands of years, with diverse languages, lifestyles, religions, and cultures present. This exhibit provides a chance to investigate this captivating material to begin to uncover some of the secrets of the Silk Road. Dr Victor H. Mair, Curatorial Consultant for "Secrets of the Silk Road," and co-author, The Tarim Mummies, discusses the ongoing discovery of these extraordinary mummies, what we have learned-and what remains to be uncovered.
Find out more about Secrets of the Silk Road, opening February 5, 2011 at the Penn Museum at www.penn.museum...

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@annjuurinen6553
@annjuurinen6553 3 жыл бұрын
I could listen to this fellow for days. Fascinating.
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I also identify with them. I have Scots on my paternal paternal side, and Irish Celt on my maternal maternal side. The Tarim Basin was part of huge ancient Sumaria. One of the tartans found is the exact same as one from my Scottish paternal line, except for a thin yellow line which might have fades in the ancient sample. My aunt traced my grandfather's side back to a Pictish area, the most ancient people there. Because of his build and colouring, red hair, blue eyes, longer than average male limbs, square jawed, it is thought he might well have come largely from the 'Picts' who as historians are at last realising did not disappear and weren't all killed off. They simply moved around, intermarried with other than tribes (which was usual as they knew about inbreeding by then) and became referred to by other names. Due to their pottery being so much older than that of the Han but similar, it is thought they taught the Han. When they were first dated, 'Loulan' was DNA dated at around 6 thousand years old and the man at around 4 thousand years. When it was shown they weren't Han, the CCP halted digs, covered maybe thousands more remains and planted trees on them which are kept irrigated. I have heard they are among the most covertly racist (against all non Han and particularly the Uyghars and all other races from other countries). If so, that is some racial hatred, to do that and irrigate trees in the desert under the pretence of greening (as per pyramids in what is now China) and keeping them watered in the knowledge that the roots will destroy evidence of any other peoples there.
@johnruge1218
@johnruge1218 Жыл бұрын
Hello again, Ang, in reading on in your comments I assume we are sort of cousins, we share colors, though I am from the branch that returned to the Baltic area with the most of the Tuatye. I am of the Ru tribe, and famously, we have no borders, been there...done that, even long before the age of viking. I will assume you know exactly what I am talking about. We are an endlessly curious folk, and where others may say in disdain ' Eeew! We don't do do that that way!', we tend to say 'We don't do it that way, but tell me, how do you do it?'. The written records of our Shang neighbors In the Altai called us the 'T(z)uk Ru ( Ru tribe) in their writing and also is mentioned the Boii tribe as the Botai (of a Boii mother, hinting haplography was recognized even then, without the aid of IBM or Apple, the ancients blow me away with their natural knowledge, stemming from accune observation!). So hail, and keep in touch via these comments, with statements and questions, and be certain we are still here and determined as ever!
@angr3819
@angr3819 Жыл бұрын
@@johnruge1218 I didn't know but thank you for giving me something further to research and look into. I am not an academic. I am an elderly lady in England who began reading about deep history a few years ago. It begun because I disbelieved the out of Africa theory, so bought a wall map of the world and traced my own ancient tribes, probably Picts, definitely Hampshire settled Belgae and Celt and one or two others back over known and most likely migrations. An eye opener, all the way back to huge ancient Sumaria. No idea where before that. Took on some ancient scripts and languages here and there but not enough to make me an expert. That said, I can say I am reasonably expert on what I personally have studied and cross referenced although I am always ready to relearn when new knowledge arises. Best wishes, cousin.
@jwahhadai8257
@jwahhadai8257 Жыл бұрын
I hope you do realize almost everything in this lecture was wrong. Its been proven they are native to the region, thus the Chinese were indeed re-burying their ancestral remains. So, how is their respect of their ancestors in any way racist...?
@angr3819
@angr3819 Жыл бұрын
@@jwahhadai8257 Are you trying to say the mummies are the remains of Chinese?
@jwahhadai8257
@jwahhadai8257 Жыл бұрын
@@angr3819 Of course they are. To be specific they are directly related to modern Siberians & Native Americans. There is absolutely nothing about them that is remotely related to Europeans, except some absurd theories that have already been proven wrong via DNA evidence. Archaeology is a liberal arts major, not a scientific profession. They should stop assuming based on cultural biases & start accepting the data actual scientists provide.
@stephaniewilson3955
@stephaniewilson3955 8 жыл бұрын
Shame it stops before the talk finishes.
@MorganScorpion
@MorganScorpion 11 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. It has opened a whole new world for me.
@ilumalucwile2422
@ilumalucwile2422 7 жыл бұрын
Whoa, so fascinating my eyes are sore from sparkling. What an amazing life the speaker must have had.
@laurasmith3243
@laurasmith3243 3 жыл бұрын
The thing that has fascinated me the most regarding this subject is that under the lenses of Scientific Linguistic Tocharian was an Indo-European language of the Kentum branch, like the ones of the Celto-Italic branch, while all the other ones present in those lands were Iranian or Indo-Iranian (both the exctict ones and the alive ones: like Tajik nowadays) which are clearly belonging to the Satem branch. The problem starts from Scientific Linguistics (both from the phylogenetic and the geo-social perspective), and it arises from the fact that it was a Kentum one, but from here it goes far beyond the study of language. A complete and complex 360° explanation can come onlu from a study that should be conducted by a multidisciplinary approach of sciences such as Archaeology, Social-Anthropology, and Population's Genetics (also keeping in mind also the Scientific Linguistics' data indeed).
@connoroverall580
@connoroverall580 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. A very interesting approach to this topic , which has been overly simplified for many years.
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I had no idea that evidence of written language had been found with them. I have seen that the two most similar ancient written languages are Iranian and surprisingly ancient Irish Celt. Do you have any suggestions or links I can search more on please? Particularly about texts found there. Thank you.
@johnruge1218
@johnruge1218 Жыл бұрын
@@angr3819 Hello Ang, there were ancient pictographic languages among the Asian neighbors of these folks from the Altai, but you have to consider that to use writing, and you are a Steppe nomad, you would have a very portable medium to take your records with you, and none existed. The demise
@johnruge1218
@johnruge1218 Жыл бұрын
Of Papryus led to a a steep decline of literature in the first millenia. If you refer to Runes, they were the discovery of Odin as he hung from the 'tree of Life' as described in Nordic myth, and were symbols of divination to expose the relationship of things in our holographic psychological world. They were not intended to be an alphabet, but they do have mnemonic qualities
@johnruge1218
@johnruge1218 Жыл бұрын
That made them useful for phonetic interpretation. This was all on the
@acanuck1679
@acanuck1679 3 ай бұрын
Victor Mair's presentational style reminds me of the (beloved) Chinese history professor, Brian Evans, who once taught at the University of Alberta. A terrific presentation.
@rjjordan27
@rjjordan27 2 жыл бұрын
Facinating lecture.. i would have loved to hear the rest of it..Didn't the Vikings bury their dead in boats?
@damedesmontagnes
@damedesmontagnes 2 жыл бұрын
;)
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes.
@blackholesun3569
@blackholesun3569 9 ай бұрын
Vikings also were known to travel, much like these peeps I suppose 🤔
@michaelcarley9866
@michaelcarley9866 3 жыл бұрын
I tried to take a nap at the Tarim Basin and people thought I was a desiccated corpse mummy.
@michaelcarley9866
@michaelcarley9866 3 жыл бұрын
Brother Dave already did the joke. O well I leave the comment.
@VoiceInTheCyberness
@VoiceInTheCyberness 7 жыл бұрын
Possible explanation of the 5 colours: High King Tighernmas of Ireland (1600BC, when Pharoah began to oppress Israel) passed a law regulating the number of colours by which the garments of the different classes of society were to be distinguished. 1 - plebeians and soldiers 2 - military officers of an inferior rank 3 - commanders of battalions 4 - keepers of houses of hospitality 5 - nobility and military knights 6 - Bards and Ollamhs, who were distinguished for learning 7 - reigning Princes These show the high station alloted to learning and talent, among the qualifications….From the party-coloured garments worn by the ancient Scots, or Irish, is derived Tartan. The Celts of Gaul also had a fancy for garments with all varieties of colour. Their braccae, or breeches were so name because of their plaided pattern; the Celtic word 'brac' denoting anything speckled or "party-coloured."
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Appreciated. Some things which make sense which I didn't know there. However, Israel as a country didn't exist then. It didn't until 1947 very recently in fact. It was Canaan/Kanaan which was a territory of Egypt. He had told the Proto 'Jews' to go and live in Canaan (they didn't live in the desert for 40 years. They travelled through it is all). After their numbers naturally grew they committed genocide upon the Canaanites. The story is that they did so because of the cruel pagan re-legion of the people who were already there, but in fact the Hyksos who were the earlier proto Jews were also pagan and worshipped a number of cruel gods including some the Canaanites worshipped. They were genetically the same people but had become different tribes as families had dispersed and taken over other territories. They were cousins. Familial murder and genocide wasn't unusual then, nor has ever been including in European royal bloodlines, which you know but I write for those who don't. We know that even now there are brother and cousin wars. Russians and Ukrainians are the same peoples. History repeats itself because the nature of man stays the same. Pity.
@looseyourzlf
@looseyourzlf Жыл бұрын
@@angr3819 good job pointing accurate facts👏🏻
@hypathiausa
@hypathiausa 13 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this video of the lecture. I am in Washington State and could not make it much to my regret. Too bad that the entire lecture is not provided; also the audio comes and goes at the very end. I would like to hear the remainder of his talk. If it is available please post it as well. Thank you and I look forward to coming out for the exhibit on April.
@angelinarenae
@angelinarenae 3 жыл бұрын
I have always wondered about the Swedish sound for the letter i - one I can’t seem to replicate, but I hear it in Chinese! I, too have wondered if they maybe influenced each other.
@emilily6513
@emilily6513 7 жыл бұрын
anyone have the full talk ? This cuts it short.
@tobuslieven
@tobuslieven 6 жыл бұрын
59:40 These sculptures are amazing. It's hard to find references for them. There are similar ones still seem to exist there. It would be great to see them dated properly.
@matthewm2528
@matthewm2528 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing story. The professor's speech pattern gives me mental whip lash, though. And I think the camera man was messing with some crinkly candy wrapper. Uhg.
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
yes but at least he has the merit to present this. There is the whole stigma of grave robbers, dead preserved people, and the political pressure from the Hans chinese who hate to realize they were only a small tribe living on the edge of the Yellow river and utterly unsignificant in ancient East Asian history. Indo Europeans actually hold the key to Central Asia history.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
and in Egypt (which was orig. a Kaldean (Shumer; Somirye)province); started around 24 500-26.000 BCE.The "Great Flood" happened around 10 150 BC - After this era started "dynasties of the Shadows from the past"... Vedic Asurian (=later Egyptian Asar (aka "Osiris")&Seth (&Aset; "Isis") dynasties; after the "Great war" (Maha Rata; Mahabharata) in 5008 BC (the pre christian Russian (Vedic) calendar of the Yahwistic year 2013 is 7521 since that era) the "Kali Yuga(Kalna V(iyeg), Vyuga; Vek) started
@peteraune3693
@peteraune3693 3 жыл бұрын
Very good, but there was no mention of Aurel Stein (and his faithful dog) who discovered a huge library in many different scripts there in the Taklamakan (go in you don´t come out again).
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I shall look that up.
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
I am going to have to look at the map again with a magnifying glass, as the image isn't full enough on my phone screen. Very thorough and appreciated.
@nukhetyavuz
@nukhetyavuz 3 жыл бұрын
astonishing facts👍thanks🙏
@grainofsand7841
@grainofsand7841 3 ай бұрын
The knowledge that they'd be preserved if situated a certain way indicates a belief that their body had great importance. Perhaps a belief in resurrection.
@maryblushes71895
@maryblushes71895 2 жыл бұрын
Where did the wood come from? Perhaps there were forests closer to them back then and they carted the timbers in! We know the land changes have been great over long periods of time. The Sahara desert was a savanna with rivers at one time and another time was part of the sea. There are shipwrecks and whale bones in the Sahara desert, even today!
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
As well as fossilised remains of sea life.
@johnruge1218
@johnruge1218 Жыл бұрын
@@angr3819 Hi cuz, this is the same reason the Chinese are planting trees, to stop the moving desert. I don't condone or support thoughtlessness in this effort, but this is the nature of totalitarianism. The Russians did the same to the sacred high valley in the Altai where our ancestors sought shelter from the great flood
@johnruge1218
@johnruge1218 Жыл бұрын
@@angr3819 They put in a filthy oil pipeline after littering the sacred valley with soda cans and candy wrappers. While vacationly for spirtual enlightenment under the auspices of sham shamen,who have them rolling around on the ground grunting snd snorting like animals. SACRED PLACES on BBC and NPR has this video. Somehow sadly humorous. This is the nature of empire, ask any blood highlander (don't ask the sheep)!
@angr3819
@angr3819 Жыл бұрын
@@johnruge1218 To stop the sands? Lol. Only coincidence that the roots will destroy the rest of the remains.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
In other civilizations was he known as son of Ra (or Rama) and was represented as a "son of Hathor"(=Mokosh; Mokosh derived into Ma'at & Hoth or later "Hathor" known as Mehet (=Mokosh) Weret (=Svarga); "vreti mleko"(boiling milk) and making (curdled) Cheese (this is how the "Milky way" appeared in the "old mythology"). Hors("Horus") was depicted as the son of the Bird Lada (Lady) or Hathor; white swan; as a ship (Ladya; from here derives Russian city "Ladoga"; this is Lad-yaga)... Ra or Hor
@thierryoceanie8242
@thierryoceanie8242 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, interresting
@ArchYeomans
@ArchYeomans 3 жыл бұрын
Tocharian as a centum language probably arrived when the Afanesievo culture arrived in the Tarim Basin. Most likely dominated by R1b* y-DNA carriers whereas the mummies are from a later arrival of R1a* y-DNA carriers. The centum languages are mostly dominated by R1b* in Western Europe.
@emilily6513
@emilily6513 7 жыл бұрын
Can anyone share the book he mentioned at about 6:35 the one in china that he translated? The desiccated corpses in their cvlture? Anyone know where one can find it for free/cheap/e-book format preferably?
@sushan716
@sushan716 3 жыл бұрын
The Ancient Corpses of Xinjiang: The Peoples of Ancient Xinjiang and Their Culture
@XanatharEye
@XanatharEye 10 жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@juanestrada1616
@juanestrada1616 10 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile writing some hundreds times the indoeuropian word u haven got time to write down the theory of Marc Aurel Stein who found firtly the Tarim basin(wikipedia). It is like Troy, he found it firstly becouse he was looking for it firstly. Exactly he was looking for the Silver Corner, becouse he was as indoeuropian as the nation who till this time lives in the Golden Corner. U can find easily the Golden Corner if u open the geographical map of Europe.
@RosesandLaceVintage
@RosesandLaceVintage 12 жыл бұрын
Where is the rest of this video?! It's a shame to only one part up but not the rest, i was hooked...
@angr3819
@angr3819 2 жыл бұрын
Red and Burgundy - royal? Thoroughly enjoyable lecture. I am going to have to return to finish listening to this one then rewatch and listen maybe several times to take it all in. I am not an academic but have been fascinated by early European history since I traced back my pre Roman Briton ancestors to Sumaria after the last ice age. I managed a little about language and etymology. No idea how I didn't come across this excellent video before. I shall be sharing the link.
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j Жыл бұрын
These are Iranians from the Scythians, not Europeans
@chrisnewbury3793
@chrisnewbury3793 Жыл бұрын
They're all Aryans
@lairdhaynes1986
@lairdhaynes1986 2 жыл бұрын
"She got shellacked in Shanghai". Well, I got plastered in Paris..
@Catonius
@Catonius 8 жыл бұрын
I do wish this knowledgeable chap could speak more succinctly. So much time wasted blathering and dithering, could've imparted so much more knowledge in the time.
@joshsch1331
@joshsch1331 5 жыл бұрын
some academics just talk to talk......blah blah blah....
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say he does not have much more to say. That sort of talk is a skill to make his presentation last the allotted time.
@Catonius
@Catonius 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericastier1646 Balderdash!
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
The original dynasty of China started with legendary "god" Huang Di (the transliteration is "Kan Don" or "veliki Kan / veliKan", the leader of Vedic "Dravids" (instead they were all part of Maharajas Solar kings... The same (Hyberborean) rulers started dynasties in Ur (pre Saurian Ana-Nagas/"Anunaki", described by Manetho & Berosos (Veroš) themselves...
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
I think the han chinese are a copy civilization. They learned everything from the West and from the steppes very early on.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericastier1646 You have to understand that It was not the "West". There was no "up", no "down" at that time... Current "west" or better said Hyperborean or Borean or Bharat (=Borat (although the word "Borat" was distorted WITH A REASON by several entities that were at that time still called as "Naga" or "Anu Nagi" or "Shining ones" (Saurian non human + human hybrid breed (which was hybridized on this planet, with few exeptions; white, black, yellow and red "races" - all arriving from "Outside" ca 653 000 BCE)) people populated ALL areas from China (so called "unknown red haired mummies with YDNA R1a1(a) haplogroup (which is today mostly common in: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Slovakia, Czechia,... with other words - current slavic lands) - note that so called "Great wall of China" was not built by any Chinese, but so called "Tartarians" (not to be mixed with Tatars) and Mogols (not to be mixed with "Mongols" (the word derives directly from the "old greek" term MOGUL or MOGOL (later Biblical "Mog (and Gog)) which simply means "MEGA" or "MOG" or "MAHA" (great one)) or Hyperboreans... that also lived in; India, Middle east, Egypt, Ethiopia (old name was simply Shiva; where SH transmuted into "biblical" Sheba or Sheva and later into "TH" becoming "Thebe" (Thebes) or Thiva, which simply means "ŽIVA" or "ALIVE" or also "Shiva" or "Jiva" (in sanskrit, slavic,... also in older Hyperborean as Zo'os (Ases or Axises (Osi; Asi; "Gods") (later old Greek "Zeus" misconception) around our Earth... They also lived in the Latin America (Puma Punku, Tiwanaco, Teotihuacan), all the way into the northern America (note that so called "russian" conquest of American lands was simply promoted by the so called "pan Roman" or "Romanov" (loved by the "Rome") - fake dynasty of Russia... that wanted to take over old Hyperborean or Tartarian territories in "Vinland" (Venetic territories (in "Amerika")... - includes areas of Alaska, Oregon, California and territories all the way down to Tiwanaco, etc... and that so called "Viracocha", "Wotan", ... were simply old Hyperborean kings, that were "replaced" by the Atlanteans (Saurian(AnuNaki / Anu Nagi; Nagas / NACHASH allies) who demanded human mass sacrifices... this is also the "secret" behind so called entities from so called "UFOs", recently published by the "Pentag0n"...
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
@@VendPrekmurec 50c army
@1800JimmyG
@1800JimmyG 3 жыл бұрын
drink every time someone in the audience coughs
@steveholmes3471
@steveholmes3471 3 жыл бұрын
I tried that and ended up talking to the toilet bowl
@izabelafirmowska1414
@izabelafirmowska1414 4 жыл бұрын
Miód in Polish means honey.
@johnnyg3007
@johnnyg3007 6 жыл бұрын
Dr. Mair sounds like Mitt Romney, hehe!
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
Almost 90% of the current Russian "pravo slav" (the word predates christian term; and represented 2 different worlds of Gods; Prav & Slav; above Yav (not Yaw or Yhwh; this is the "Phoenician" (Ph; Fenitian; Venetic cycle of Yav-Hors-Vaal(= Veles or Baal (Bull; Vol)) Orthodox Christian tradition is based on the Vedism (not Hinduism or Avestan culture). With other words current Christianity is a Osirian (Asurian) parasitism; its derivatives are: Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
@johnedward5656
@johnedward5656 2 жыл бұрын
Billy: Thank you. - Then I have a question about the Chinese, who always claim that their whole culture originated from their own people, but Sfath once told me that this is not the truth. You told me the same thing, but neither you nor Sfath went into it. Both of you have only explained that Chinese culture also contains foreign influences. The much later earth-born natives who lived in the areas where today's China is, died out over time. 264. They died as a result of an incurable hereditary disease that spread as they mixed sexually with the new immigrants from 'beyond the sun'. 265. All this knowledge, however, as well as the knowledge of space technology and many other things, was lost, as was the knowledge of the original origins of the immigrants. 266. The immigrants from 'beyond the sun', i.e. the actual ancestors of today's Chinese people, already took over many cultural values of the natives from the natives alone, who animated the Achene areas and had created certain small cultures. 267. Later, another great cultural change took place in the Bronze Age, namely when immigrants from the areas of present-day Europe made the long journey to China and actually reached this country on foot as well as on carts and horses. 268. They found their way to China through a group of adventurers, whose 42 men and women, eleven of whom survived and were on the road for eight years. 269. On their adventure journey they reached China, from where they returned to Europe. 270. There they told their peoples about the peaceful slant-eyed people in the faraway land, where it was possible to live very well and well and where there was enough land as well as large desert areas. 271. And since there was great need in various areas of Europe, which had spread far into today's Ukraine, many tribes got together and made their way to the distant land, which they reached after about three years. 272. The way was very dangerous, full of privations, led through deserts, steppes and dangerous mountains, which often led to serious accidents and hardships and also cost many people their lives. 273. Nevertheless, China was reached, where the new immigrants mingled with the now local people and the distant descendants of those from 'beyond the sun', also sexually, and lived peacefully together with them. 274. Thus again there were cultural changes, also in relation to the belief of the gods, because the immigrants coming from the areas of Europe and Near East were sun worshippers, even if they belonged to different tribes, which had spread over very large areas in Europe and Near East. 275. This belief in sun worship was then adopted by the Ur-Chinese, the distant descendants from the areas beyond the Milky Way, along with other religions. 276. Much later, the religions of Taoism and Confucianism were born. 277. From the Han period 206 BC to 220 AD, Mahayana Buddhism made its entrance. 278. Unfortunately, however, it happened again that over time the hereditary disease, which had already spread earlier, could spread, this time also affecting certain parts of those whose ancestors came from 'beyond the sun'. 279. The two human species died suddenly in large numbers and were partly buried together. Billy: Interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you for your explanation. - Well, there
@ogeitaiogeitai3353
@ogeitaiogeitai3353 6 жыл бұрын
Victor Mair is not a historian! He is a scholar who just know how to read Chinese history books! He never had training in Archeology or Oriental History!
@mindmesh7566
@mindmesh7566 3 жыл бұрын
Merced Eliade would also say that the pole was a representation of the “center” or an “axis mundi”.…Could be…but who knows. They were a different people from a different time and culture.
@maryb6074
@maryb6074 6 жыл бұрын
Tocharian is a group of Iranian people.
@littlehans2010
@littlehans2010 5 жыл бұрын
but they were buddhists not like iranians.lol
@mikecullen4683
@mikecullen4683 5 жыл бұрын
IRANIAN IS SYNONYMOUS WITH ARYAN. CHOKE ON THAT MUSHA.
@uknowmotdy
@uknowmotdy 5 жыл бұрын
Why did they use Indic Bramhi script and practised Buddhism then?
@mikecullen4683
@mikecullen4683 5 жыл бұрын
@@uknowmotdy Your typing in Roman script in a Germanic language. Are you Roman or German?
@tommack9395
@tommack9395 5 жыл бұрын
Tocharian people precede Persia (Iran) or Turkey by thousands of years (Turkic is not even sport a Indo-European language, Common Turkic is in a separate linguistic family ... Mongolian is a Turkic language and the language in Turkey came from there - the Turkic homelands - as had much of it's peoples DNA. The Tocharian were full of chestnut, blonde to redheaded blue-eyed peoples. They're more common Eurasian steppe. The Tarim Basin mummies are full of red-heads and straw-blondes. People have always been moving back and forth - they're migratory. In fact the Uyghurs - speakers of a Turkic language from the Kingdom of Qocho - later settled in the region ... and apparently mixed in with them.
@adamroodog1718
@adamroodog1718 4 жыл бұрын
Starts 09:10
@GameOver-dn4vr
@GameOver-dn4vr 3 жыл бұрын
Indo aryan in china 😎💪
@PrimeTime350
@PrimeTime350 2 жыл бұрын
it is middle east iranian not china
@DerSchleier
@DerSchleier Жыл бұрын
@@PrimeTime350 These Aryans were found buried within China AND the Japanese northern Islands. Too bad for you.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
"skin color is phenotype" Skin color is a genotype which determine the phenotype; alleles (genes) indicated by using one or more letters to indicate the traits (example; AA, Aa, aa)
@kyrrekausrud5960
@kyrrekausrud5960 7 жыл бұрын
That is wrong. Skin color is a phenotype (i.e. physical trait) regulated by a genotype (the genes and epigenetic markers involved in transcription and regulation of the alleles involved) in interaction with environment (nutrition and UV radiation).
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
2 greeks, sarmatians even japanese and others knew jesus! some as prophet some as god's son. so all the "antique" civilisation, which all had a very comparable cultural level, used swastika and knew biblical texts and suddenly "disappeared"... lived at the same time. there was no civilization gaps or lost cultures. they got "lost" after the collapse of the civilisation, which connected them. ok, thanks, enough information from you, i will check it, ok?
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
2 in germany before 1933. really extremely similar!! the result is known.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
Secondly; there was no Christianity before 10th century "AD" as we know it today; indeed most of the christian tradition, festivals derived from the Old faith of the Old believers. In my country they were (are) called Ajdi (their original name before Christianity represented mythological creatures called "Giants", as "ancestors of humans"); After Karantanians accepted Christianity they went "underground" instead they were still performing the rituals which survived until our era.
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
1 i didn't say, you are brainwashed, but some people, which i talked with and which support these theories were not able to think besides these frames. i told them: so, different races are from different universes? and animals of different coat color like white bears and brown bears, too? - no respond. i asked: what about plant species of different types, which acclimatize and become different, also from different planest? - no respond. they don't want to see, that phenotype of people depends on
@janekduda7548
@janekduda7548 4 жыл бұрын
STJ likes this.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
Again Fomenko (as a Jewish troll) is correct only in few points: Old Jerusalem was located in current Turkey (Byzantium), Christ (Krstos) was crucified after 12th century AD; old Slavic&Greek Vedic emperor (Tzar; Sir) Andronicus(Andrei) Komnenus/Kamnin's army was destroyed by the Nagas/Nchsh (Bacchus/Osiris) Hybrid/Hebrew semitic tyrant Isaak Angelos (a real historical person) and gained to power over Byzantium; He and Sahendrin wrote the 1. Torah (in Hybrid; Jewish) language... and
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
"different races are from different universes?" Why not? If some jews/christians (and even some biologists) believe God created Earth 7000 years ago, why it would be strange to believe we come from outer space; besides there are gaps in the Evolution of the Human Sapiens; we determine its evolution based on anatomy and physiology, similarities which determine a taxonomic systematic level; because the molecular biology of the prehistoric man is limited or almost impossible.
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
one important fact is that africans evolved separately for almost 3/4 million year and also have traces of an ancient humanoid that they mixed with that the out of africa humanity does not have. If there is one race close to being a different species than us, it's them or at least some of them since they're so diverse.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericastier1646 There was no evolution of any ORIGINAL human (as we know them today) on THIS planet... All races (white Race or Rasa and other people of the color (People of the Yellow dragon), Red people and Black people arrived from outside... with few exceptions - entities you are referring as "ancestors"... were simply hybridized with a reason - to successfully cross breed with human DNA... Because of that act (ca 28 250 years ago) in so called "Edens" (4 are mentioned in so called "sacred" texts, 5th one was located in Egypt (which was a prison camp for hybrids) and their ancestry survived until today over Asuras (Vedas) (=""egyptian" "Osiris") "royal dynasties")) a great war started, which was so catastrophic that changed life on Earth and also caused one of 3 Moons to "fall from the sky as fire" (mentioned also in so called "MUSPILI SONG" (german song); Muspili simply means "Muspelheim" (in (V)Edda (Edda is part of the Hyperborean Vedas); Pil or PALIt means to "BURN"... Note that so called "Exodus" of "Jews" or so called "PASHET" simply means PASS over from the "north"(after that great catastrophic event( ca 12 000 BCE) to all places of the Earth... Great Exodus,... a story which was later "recycled" and "absorbed" into Osirian new texts.. and new recycled "pantheons"...of "human ""history"
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
@@VendPrekmurec DNA research says otrherwise.
@aaronlaird4396
@aaronlaird4396 6 жыл бұрын
We should go to western China and ask for our land back lol
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
exactly, and the Hans know it which is why they're moving so aggressively to relocate millions of hans to East Central Asia ( what they call xinjian), and also to control archeologic discoveries.
@collin-theonlyandone2299
@collin-theonlyandone2299 2 жыл бұрын
It's not your lands though. With that logic, Indians and Iranians can claim ties to the region because muh IE brotherhood. Actually in fact, there were Indians and Iranian merchants in Xinjiang, long before any french or german was, so I'd say they even have stronger ties. Plus, Tocharians are not the first inhabitants of the region. It was a remnant of western siberian hunter gatherer population that lived there who eventually got subsumed into the Indo Europeans. These western siberian hunter gatherers were comprised of ANE ancestry with some east eurasian ancestry. Clearly, you have claims to this land
@collin-theonlyandone2299
@collin-theonlyandone2299 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericastier1646 Lol why would CCP even care about the geopolitical history of Tarim Basin. They will literally use it against the uighers. It doesn't hurt them and nor does the land belongs to white people. Most ludicrous thing I have heard from people
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
exactly! this knowledge about the "mongolian" heritage concerns almost every culture on this planet. people deserve to know this hidden reality. for example why you can find in most great cultures kurgans or pyramids, swastikas, mummies and biblical traditions like the knowledge about the great flood and a jesus-like god / prophet.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
themselves "Sloveni"; which were in other sources known as "Sklaveni", "StlaVeni"; after 6th century... Secondly "Christ" (jesus) derived from Greek Krstos (addition of OS to purest Egyptian cult of Osiris; KRST); written as "KPCTOC" in Byzantium (where was in reality the "ancient Jerusalem")..Horus was not son of Osiris (=Vedic Asura) but Scynthian / Slavic god Hors or Horo(its "pagan" cycle survived until today known as "Horovod").He was son of Svarog or Svarun, residing in Svarga (Milky way
@thierryoceanie8242
@thierryoceanie8242 3 жыл бұрын
You should have a channel on all your knowledge.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
Have you ever asked yourself WHY was Jesus called "God's son"?? What is the basics of the "KRST" - HORO - KRSNA - KRESNIK - KRISHNA?
@nepotiums
@nepotiums 6 жыл бұрын
Honey in Russian = Med. Interesting.
@tommack9395
@tommack9395 5 жыл бұрын
Med is Mead in Russian, Miod is mead in Polish.
@howdyahworkthisthing1520
@howdyahworkthisthing1520 3 жыл бұрын
Mead, also a alcoholic drink made from honey in old England.
@juanestrada1616
@juanestrada1616 10 жыл бұрын
If this "scientist" check the page his own museum could find some sacret symbol from the tarim some part of the world. Or just write cruz andina to the google and on the first picture u will find 3 cultural markers from the Tarim basin. That u cant explain something doesnt mean there is not explaination. Like Pyramides.
@seye8eyes
@seye8eyes 3 жыл бұрын
تلام اللہ طلق تکلمان کا معنی طلق امان مکان ہے جس کا مطلب ہنی جنت کا دروازہ ہے۔ ہمدردی کا رشتہ معنی تکلمکان
@user-cg2tw8pw7j
@user-cg2tw8pw7j Жыл бұрын
How did these Iranian peoples reach western Mongolia?
@tedtimmis8135
@tedtimmis8135 7 жыл бұрын
The woman who filmed this can be heard eating around the 40 minute mark. Highly annoying.
@ashlisunflower
@ashlisunflower 4 жыл бұрын
мед / med- honey in Bulgarian
@tritonbradford1688
@tritonbradford1688 6 жыл бұрын
You people better respect my ancestors,and be right by them!
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
Old Slavic calendar was generally divided into: Lunar calendar (with 12 months) and Solar calendar; which was divided into 9 "months" (parts) per 1 cycle with ca 40-41 days with 9 days per 1 week; the last one was called Teden or Deveti den; DEV represented holy cycle of the Gods; "Devet"(=DEV; Deus; "Divno; Divine").
@PrimeTime350
@PrimeTime350 2 жыл бұрын
they are not europeans but middle easterners iranians more likely mixed with asiatic race of eastern russia we dont even know the colour of their skin but already assume the mummies are white skinned?
@chrisnewbury3793
@chrisnewbury3793 Жыл бұрын
No but when you're tall, red-haired, and wearing plaid it's kind of obvious.
@devivaruni7940
@devivaruni7940 Жыл бұрын
Das tocharisch nation Kleidung ist sehr hübsche
@robertazinger6807
@robertazinger6807 5 жыл бұрын
talked about himself too much, anecdotes, etc. uses the slide show as outline for his presentation. He should have written an interesting and engaging scholarly paper and read it to the audience. Facts are more interesting than anecdotes
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is he didn't have much to say to start with.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
No it is not about "paganism". The word "pagan" represented a mockery in latin; it means "rural, primitive" and has nothing to do with religion at all... My grand mother was one of the (real) last main Slavic priestesses which lived and performed her rituals still until the WW1. And i know my stuff...
@seye8eyes
@seye8eyes 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus comes to those who can take Critics with open 🙏 Hearts Criticism 💕 je meaning live love life of Heavens Immortal Eternal life love Prosperous Passion Compassion meaning Manda. Dead Museum Mussaliams Muslims close doors 🚪 on Dialog on Internet and message Not accepted like Jesus was not accepted
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
who was born on several day of God, celebrated his/her birthday... Especially in the Orthodoxy the figures and symbols of the Koledar (Calendar) with Gods were replaced with Jewish / Christian semitic saints. All first popes of Byzantium & Rome were the Hebrews(Hybrids/Iburu/H'Breeds/Nibiru).
@WhiteIsraeliteChristianKingdom
@WhiteIsraeliteChristianKingdom 2 жыл бұрын
The Tarim Basin or The Pamir Pleauteau..... The Original home of the White Adamic/Israelite Race
@TelltheTruth-di4uu
@TelltheTruth-di4uu 9 ай бұрын
You are correct sir.
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
2 came from russia and their language sanskrit is very closed to russian, much more than to other ie-languages. etruscans wrote in slavic runes, which are similar to scythian/slavic runes. they came from region, which is today russia & ukraine. the same for goths and vandals. first european knghts and king arthur were sarmatians. and why do our "historians" ignore the cloud people completely? all these peoples were mainly R1a-carriers. there are mummies in egypt with R1a. so who were tocharians?
@denniskaktusz2782
@denniskaktusz2782 3 жыл бұрын
Lol. Etruscans were never slavic, they wrote in a Hungarian rovasiras runic writing as did the sythians, sumerians etc. Today Italian universities teach this. Former head historian Michelangelo Naddeo wrote books on this. Today archeological digs in Northern Italy finds same Hungarian runic writing. Magyar language can also be found in most ancient languages in and around Central Asia. Writings can be found throughout the world. Just do a search on tarim basin and huns, magyars, etc and you will open up thousands of pages of reading.
@denniskaktusz2782
@denniskaktusz2782 3 жыл бұрын
Hungarians teach this writing still today. It's not a lost knowledge like the bs other cultures try to say about their old writing
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 2 жыл бұрын
@@denniskaktusz2782 There are thirteen authors of the 2010 article, the first to be signed by Chinese scientist Chunxiang Li. Among the authors is also the above-mentioned sinologist Mair. Analysis of mtDNA showed that the mummies studied belonged to both Eastern Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups (haplogroup C) and Western Eurasian (haplogroups H and K). The haplogroup C was predominant. MtDNA was examined on 23 mummies, 14 of which belonged to the said haplogroup. Chunxiang Li et al., Evidence that a West-East admixed population lived in the Tarim basin as early as the Early Bronze Age (Fig. Evidence that a West-East admixed population lived in the Tarim basin as early as the Early Bronze Age). 2010. Eurasian (currently Slavic) origin along the male line Analysis of the Y-chromosome haplogroups of seven male mummies, however, showed that these males belonged to the Western Eurasian haplogroup R1a1a which is dominant today among slavic men from Ukraine, Poland, Czechia, Slovak republic, Slovenia). The latest study on Tarim mummies Last week, on October 27, Nature magazine published its latest scientific article on Tarim mummies. This does not focus on mtDNA and the Y chromosome (the latter contains less than two percent of all DNA), but on autosomal chromosomes (atDNA), which contain the vast majority of the genetic record (including eye, hair, and skin color). The study involved 34 scientists (first signed by Fan Zhang, Chao Ning and Ashley Scott), including some authors from the aforementioned 2010 study. (Source: Fan Zhang, Chao Ning and Ashley Scott and co-workers, The genomic origins of the bronze age Tarim basin mummies (Fig. DNA origin of Bronze Age mummies from the Tarim Basin), October 2021. ) Indo-European peoples in the Dzungarian basin The scientists studied the DNA of five individuals from the Dzungarian Basin between 3,000 and 2,800 BC and 13 individuals from the Tarim Basin between 2,100 and 1,700 BC. These are the Tarim sites of Xiaohe, Gumugou and Beifang. The findings are as follows: the early Bronze Age inhabitants of the Dzungarian Basin, which lies north of the Tarim Basin, are mostly genetically related to members of the Afanasyevo culture. The members of this South Siberian culture were probably of Indo-European origin. They most likely immigrated to southern Siberia from the Eastern European steppes about five thousand years ago. Part of the DNA of the Bronze Age Dzungars is of local origin, ie from the indigenous inhabitants who lived here before the members of the Indo-European culture Afanasjevo came here from the north. The Bronze Age Tarimans have been genetically isolated for millennia According to the DNA of 13 individuals, the inhabitants of the Tarim Basin are only of local, autochthonous origin. They represent a genetically isolated group, their genetic fund probably formed about ten thousand years ago. They are mostly descendants of a genetic population that scientists call the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE). These were Siberian hunters and gatherers. About 72 percent of the ANE genes were found in the Tarim mummies, and the remaining 28 percent of the genes come from another indigenous or local ancient East Eurasian genetic population from the Lake Baikal area, called the ancient Northeast Asians. The genetic population of ANE, whose descendants are the Bronze Age inhabitants of the Tarim Basin, scientists once predicted to live throughout Central Asia and southern Siberia. Acceptance of a foreign culture and a foreign way of life Although the early Bronze Age inhabitants of the Tarim Basin were genetically isolated from their neighbors and newcomers or did not genetically mix with them, they "cosmopolitanly" accepted their culture. Thus, they took over livestock farming and agriculture, which enabled them to live in river oases in the otherwise very unfriendly desert Taklamakan. Protein analysis of the teeth of seven mummies showed that they consumed (sheep, cow and goat) milk or processed milk - a kefir-like drink. They even found pieces of cheese in some mummies. Why mummies have a western look According to the authors of the latest study, the western appearance of Tarim mummies is probably due to their connection with the genetic set of the ANE genetic population, which it had 12,000 years ago, and the extreme genetic isolation of Tarim Basin inhabitants in later periods. We know from past studies that the oldest discovered representative of ANE t. i. a boy from Malta who was excavated near the Siberian village of Malta. The boy from Malta was three or four years old when he died about 24,000 years ago. It belonged to the haplogroups R and R *, from which, via R1, the haplogroups R1a and R1b developed, which are very common today among Indo-European-speaking populations. Siberian hunters and today's Slavic population Part of the ANE left Siberia for the west. In Eastern Europe, it has mingled with the genetic population of (western) European Indigenous hunters and gatherers. Their genes are also part of the genetic set of Bronze Age Eastern European steppe shepherds and thus also part of the genetic set of modern European populations. According to an analysis of genetic impurities from 2014, led by geneticist Iosif Lazardis, for example, Czechs and Hungarianshave 16.7 and 17.9 percent of ANE genes, respectively. In addition to ANE, Lazaridis included in the study of genetic impurity analysis the ancient DNA of Anatolian early farmers and Western European hunters and gatherers. Source: Iosif Lazaridis et al., Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans (Fig. Ancient human DNA suggests three ancestral populations of today's Europeans), September 2014.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 2 жыл бұрын
@@denniskaktusz2782 Many of so called Magyar words are actually of slavic origin. Only that Slavic or Slovene was at that time called differently. Russia was called as Scythia until 20th century AD for example.
@MM-yl9gn
@MM-yl9gn Жыл бұрын
​@@VendPrekmurec ANE is haplogroup Q and R. Gobekli Tepe is considered also to be of imported Siberian culture. Where, then did they learn to become farmers? Siberia? Or was knowledge brought from America?
@theodorepage6087
@theodorepage6087 Жыл бұрын
Chinese might have made a. Mistake with the translation,,,but it takes a American to make a real mess in translation
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
A. Fomenko is correct about few things; he bases the HisTORical time line on the Torah; which mathematically disproves itself... and consequently "changes" the whole Human chronology... Torah (Leningrad Codex) or the "Old testament" was of course written for a first time in 1009 AD (not BC) and replaced the Human (Vedic) history with the Saurian (Osirian) Genesis; starting from "Adapa"(Adam)... All names of characters, cities in Torah of course do not represent real historical places or people
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
shhh quiet... Science and Orthodox linguistics is not interested in the civilizations which have nothing to do with greeks, romans, jews and italians... Of course were these people ("Tarim") of Slavic Aryan (Hyperborean) ancestry; correctly their male line subclade belongs to the R1a1a - or with other words; to current Russians, Slovak, Slovenian, Polish population; Slavic yes. That's why they always called Slavs "Mongols" (the correct transliteration on the ancient maps was Mogol or Mogul;
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
2 there are dozens of races!) are from other planets, but look like eachother, are similarly intelligent, have almost the same genetic code, can learn speak every language and even can get children with eachother??? really on what planet do you live? an intelligent human must have recognised, that the color of the skin is an evolutionary reaction on the place, where you live. if you get too little sun light, you get ill, so in the north your clan will survive better and produce more children,
@matsrosenquist4620
@matsrosenquist4620 3 жыл бұрын
So was the oares for men & the other fallos looking thing for women!
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
No, my take is, as he said there were many rivers covering these plains in ancient time and most likely some men were oarman rowing their whole life and buried with the very oar that was their daily companion. People buried with a different object were in a different unrecognized line of work.
@k.s.333
@k.s.333 6 жыл бұрын
Dr. Mair thinks he's not Swedish? Take a dna test. It''s an eye-opener.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
fixed human history to the non human Saurian Genesis... Andronicus was executed (crucified) and became the "new Krst"... (Krstos), Christ... After that the new Slavic-Greek cult was born; since that era the God (human) "Christ" (also Krishna) was depicted on a cross (as a "savior"), parasitical "son" of "God"(Bacchus/ Osiris/Asura. ). The term "Krstos Christ,Krishna derives from term "Krsna" or"Krsnuti" (also in later Church slavic language) which means "INCARNATED ONE"(ENLIVEN ONE) from above.
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
1 why not?????????? are you serious??? really, how can a person believe something like that. different planets means: different size of planets->different gravity->different size, shapes and... everything of beings!!! different atmosphere->different atmosphere pressure etc. different "suns", means different kind of rays, different strenge and kind of rays and radiation, different distance to the planet etc. etc. etc. and you believe that 4 races (in reality that is an idiotic concept, because
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
this is the so called new paganizm, right? i have a different idea of history. all this happened in a shorter period, which was stretched by joseph scaliger, the father of our chronology. earlier most cultures knew biblical traditions, and had proto-christianity. jesus-like prophets or gods are known on the whole planet. this is a fact. read fomenko's new chronology. ps: slavs=sclaveni and scythians=sclots are derived from sokol=hawk, slavic holy bird, seen on old russ. and ukr. emblems.
@creegal
@creegal 2 жыл бұрын
The mummies are not European...lol An entire presentation of false information...lol
@DerSchleier
@DerSchleier Жыл бұрын
Yes, they were and are Indo-European Aryans. Go away communist. You are an inferior people.
@Alex.af.Nordheim
@Alex.af.Nordheim 11 ай бұрын
How do you explain their language then? I'm just curious
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
skin color is not a phenotype but a genotype.
@DTavona
@DTavona Жыл бұрын
No, the phenotype is the physical expression of one's genotype; it's what genetic markers have been turned on, modified by nutrition and environment (UV rays, etc.).
@robynpruitt1116
@robynpruitt1116 2 жыл бұрын
The envy is real... so dam immature.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
LOL. Do you think I am "brain washed" ? I do not believe in "god" at all...
@ogeitaiogeitai3353
@ogeitaiogeitai3353 6 жыл бұрын
These mummies are obviously nomadic people! They were proto-turkic people!
@poliandro9957
@poliandro9957 5 жыл бұрын
The lecturer says (at 15:15 aprx) that the SETTLERS were of caucasian stock for the first 1500 years. Perhaps a slight overstatement, but I wouldn't suppose that is gross error. So, your "obvious" remark seems to be obviously (not to say a priori) doubtful. Of course, unless you are a specialist in the field.
@sabrik3885
@sabrik3885 4 жыл бұрын
There are no pure Turkic people anywhere in the world. They have mixed with people wherever they went and they have been everywhere. They have mixed with Scythians, Tocharians, Sogdians, Bactrians, Mongols, Anatolians, Iranians, Greeks etc. Everywhere they went they mixed with and assimilated the natives. That's why today you can find Turkic people with a wide range of phenotypes. Some who look 100% Asian, some who look 100% Middle Eastern and others who look 100% European and many mixtures of the three to varying degrees depending on where in the world they are. In Turkey and Balkans they look more Mediterranean, in the Middle East they look more Middle Eastern, in the Caucuses they look Caucasian, in Eastern Europe they look Slavic and in Central Asia they look more Asian. Uyghurs who live near the Tarım Basın are a mixture of Tocharians who are of European stock and their Turkic conquers. However ancient Tocharians WERE NOT and never will be Turkic. If you compare the DNA samples of modern Turkic speaking peoples to those of Pre-Turkic natives of those lands you will see this to be true. All the genetic data is available for people to see and compare. No more guess work is required.
@ericastier1646
@ericastier1646 2 жыл бұрын
@@sabrik3885 beautiful explanation.
@collin-theonlyandone2299
@collin-theonlyandone2299 2 жыл бұрын
@Spam Houston they were not indigenous to the lands either. Western siberian hunter gatherers were. Cope and seethe while we take over your lands :)
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 2 жыл бұрын
There are thirteen authors of the 2010 article, the first to be signed by Chinese scientist Chunxiang Li. Among the authors is also the above-mentioned sinologist Mair. Analysis of mtDNA showed that the mummies studied belonged to both Eastern Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups (haplogroup C) and Western Eurasian (haplogroups H and K). The haplogroup C was predominant. MtDNA was examined on 23 mummies, 14 of which belonged to the said haplogroup. Chunxiang Li et al., Evidence that a West-East admixed population lived in the Tarim basin as early as the Early Bronze Age (Fig. Evidence that a West-East admixed population lived in the Tarim basin as early as the Early Bronze Age). 2010. Eurasian (currently Slavic) origin along the male line Analysis of the Y-chromosome haplogroups of seven male mummies, however, showed that these males belonged to the Western Eurasian haplogroup R1a1a which is dominant today among slavic men from Ukraine, Poland, Czechia, Slovak republic, Slovenia). The latest study on Tarim mummies Last week, on October 27, Nature magazine published its latest scientific article on Tarim mummies. This does not focus on mtDNA and the Y chromosome (the latter contains less than two percent of all DNA), but on autosomal chromosomes (atDNA), which contain the vast majority of the genetic record (including eye, hair, and skin color). The study involved 34 scientists (first signed by Fan Zhang, Chao Ning and Ashley Scott), including some authors from the aforementioned 2010 study. (Source: Fan Zhang, Chao Ning and Ashley Scott and co-workers, The genomic origins of the bronze age Tarim basin mummies (Fig. DNA origin of Bronze Age mummies from the Tarim Basin), October 2021. ) Indo-European peoples in the Dzungarian basin The scientists studied the DNA of five individuals from the Dzungarian Basin between 3,000 and 2,800 BC and 13 individuals from the Tarim Basin between 2,100 and 1,700 BC. These are the Tarim sites of Xiaohe, Gumugou and Beifang. The findings are as follows: the early Bronze Age inhabitants of the Dzungarian Basin, which lies north of the Tarim Basin, are mostly genetically related to members of the Afanasyevo culture. The members of this South Siberian culture were probably of Indo-European origin. They most likely immigrated to southern Siberia from the Eastern European steppes about five thousand years ago. Part of the DNA of the Bronze Age Dzungars is of local origin, ie from the indigenous inhabitants who lived here before the members of the Indo-European culture Afanasjevo came here from the north. The Bronze Age Tarimans have been genetically isolated for millennia According to the DNA of 13 individuals, the inhabitants of the Tarim Basin are only of local, autochthonous origin. They represent a genetically isolated group, their genetic fund probably formed about ten thousand years ago. They are mostly descendants of a genetic population that scientists call the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE). These were Siberian hunters and gatherers. About 72 percent of the ANE genes were found in the Tarim mummies, and the remaining 28 percent of the genes come from another indigenous or local ancient East Eurasian genetic population from the Lake Baikal area, called the ancient Northeast Asians. The genetic population of ANE, whose descendants are the Bronze Age inhabitants of the Tarim Basin, scientists once predicted to live throughout Central Asia and southern Siberia. Acceptance of a foreign culture and a foreign way of life Although the early Bronze Age inhabitants of the Tarim Basin were genetically isolated from their neighbors and newcomers or did not genetically mix with them, they "cosmopolitanly" accepted their culture. Thus, they took over livestock farming and agriculture, which enabled them to live in river oases in the otherwise very unfriendly desert Taklamakan. Protein analysis of the teeth of seven mummies showed that they consumed (sheep, cow and goat) milk or processed milk - a kefir-like drink. They even found pieces of cheese in some mummies. Why mummies have a western look According to the authors of the latest study, the western appearance of Tarim mummies is probably due to their connection with the genetic set of the ANE genetic population, which it had 12,000 years ago, and the extreme genetic isolation of Tarim Basin inhabitants in later periods. We know from past studies that the oldest discovered representative of ANE t. i. a boy from Malta who was excavated near the Siberian village of Malta. The boy from Malta was three or four years old when he died about 24,000 years ago. It belonged to the haplogroups R and R *, from which, via R1, the haplogroups R1a and R1b developed, which are very common today among Indo-European-speaking populations. Siberian hunters and today's Slavic population Part of the ANE left Siberia for the west. In Eastern Europe, it has mingled with the genetic population of (western) European Indigenous hunters and gatherers. Their genes are also part of the genetic set of Bronze Age Eastern European steppe shepherds and thus also part of the genetic set of modern European populations. According to an analysis of genetic impurities from 2014, led by geneticist Iosif Lazardis, for example, Czechs and Hungarianshave 16.7 and 17.9 percent of ANE genes, respectively. In addition to ANE, Lazaridis included in the study of genetic impurity analysis the ancient DNA of Anatolian early farmers and Western European hunters and gatherers. Source: Iosif Lazaridis et al., Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans (Fig. Ancient human DNA suggests three ancestral populations of today's Europeans), September 2014.
@fightfannerd2078
@fightfannerd2078 11 жыл бұрын
Slavic turkish speaking people with red hair? pyramids? aztecs and mayans talk about red heads???
@MikeyPaper
@MikeyPaper 4 жыл бұрын
Turkish? Dont try and dilute the truth by sneaking in your pan-turkism. Turks are from Mongolia, and have nothing to do with the reddish/blonde hair people that originally inhabited the Tarim basin.
@loveandpeace9315
@loveandpeace9315 3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeyPaper Mongol are different people Uyghurs have red hair bule eyes as well, based on your limited knowledge can different Mongolia and Uyghurs,
@collin-theonlyandone2299
@collin-theonlyandone2299 2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeyPaper Early Turkish people often interacted with the tocharians and the iranian people. It's evident that early turkic people like the gokturks had notable Indo European admixture and there were cultural influences from Iranians, such as the Ashina Turkic clan. Uighers who are turkic people, have tocharian ancestry much to your lamentations. You have no ties to Tarim Basin whatsoever westoid. Also, Tocharians were not the first inhabitants of the region either, western siberian hunter gatherer populations were.
@PrimeTime350
@PrimeTime350 2 жыл бұрын
they are black haired heat makes the hair red after losing pigments
@johnruge1218
@johnruge1218 Жыл бұрын
@@MikeyPaper Hi Mikey. We have to go back before the roots of the Turks and Sumarians. Before the flood, consider some existed that had great natural knowledge from observing the world AND pending events, and set out for the high ground of the Altai mts.. Haplography is the grand roadmap of genetics, and the haplogroups of the mummies of the earlier burials in the Tarim are tracable to other Euro and Steppe people, and not merely in a grab bag that Academics have labeled 'Tocharians' or 'Yamnaia' and such. They are not Asiatic, but rather of the R1a and 1b haplogroups. They evolved into the Keltoi and Slavs and northern Persians as they returned to the west and gradually mixed to varying degrees with the other cultures that survived the great deluge. This is reflected by studies by Harvard and other institutions on the genealogy of the Iberians and a study of how some tribes in Bavaria preserved Their purity but avoided inbreeding complications by importing relative wives from portions of the tribe that were distantly located ( obviously they had observed the consequences of 'the apple not falling far enough away from the tree, the Habsburgs descending from the early keltic Boii tribe through the Ostrogoths, and the Bohemians and still to this day find mates from distant familial groups.). Search on, because academy has never found anything but grounds for further research yet!
@gulerozgur833
@gulerozgur833 Жыл бұрын
There is Not Central Asia there is Türkistan .And Tarım is Turkish word which meaning is Agriculture.Uygurs,Kazaks,Kırgızs All are Turkic origin.
@TWOCOWS1
@TWOCOWS1 5 жыл бұрын
what a shame: he is very knowledgeable, but speaks so badly. his mind is all over the place, losing the trail of his thoughts so frequently. He should be reading from a script, written by himself, and not to speak freely.
@russellroesner6073
@russellroesner6073 6 жыл бұрын
Why is the speaker so nervous? If you notice he was the original guy from the earliest videos via NOVA in the late1990s and sadly, he brought unwanted attention to this site and was a big cause of the looting. (Yes, that is why he is nervous as he is somewhat responsible for the loss of 4000 years of preservation and like the man who cut down the oldest Bristlecone pine tree, he feels guilty). He did a good job hiding the fact he was handling the mummies without gloves or using proper medical procedure on desicated corpses. Since he was first there, out of the 100 mummies found, only a handful survive. The Chinese scientists had no idea what they were doing, were superstitious/under the thumb of communism, and didn't want ancient white people pre-dating their own culture. BTW..these mummies were discovered to be a cosmopolitan culture and never migrated in one group from western Europe although he would have you want to believe it.
@PrimeTime350
@PrimeTime350 2 жыл бұрын
white people from europe not central asia otherwise who live in europe if white people started in central asia use logic
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
"and that there was some kind of state religion based on bible traditions, that had regional characteristics, which led to different religions (with same roots and still..." There was no "Biblical" or Torahic or Quranic slavic tradition before 12th century AD... everything is based on the Old faith. Stolen and perverted by the 180 degrees. The Christian "Saints" (Svetniki); were originally called Gods or Godi (this is where the "germanic" word comes from) which meant "cycles"; every child
@hotwheelsindallas-fortwort7932
@hotwheelsindallas-fortwort7932 2 жыл бұрын
Well now we know they're not indo-europeans as previously stated it appears that European archaeologist love claiming other people's culture
@Alex.af.Nordheim
@Alex.af.Nordheim 11 ай бұрын
I'm just curious about that result because how do you explain their language being Indo-European if they have never mixed with the Indo-Europeans?
@TheAfghan72
@TheAfghan72 4 жыл бұрын
They have nothing to do Celts or any other Europenas, they were native Central Asians.
@freckleheckler6311
@freckleheckler6311 3 жыл бұрын
Yes they do. There’s no such scientific classification for central Asians. It’s a geographical title given to people of that region
@TheAfghan72
@TheAfghan72 3 жыл бұрын
@@freckleheckler6311 And there is no such thing as "Celtic" its just a culture. There has never been such thing as a "Celtic people" in anywhere in history. The mummies are Torchians who were Aryans from Central Asia and the ancestors of Ughyrs and some Afghans. White people need to stop poking their noses in other peoples history.
@freckleheckler6311
@freckleheckler6311 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAfghan72 HAHAHAHA you are so jealous.
@freckleheckler6311
@freckleheckler6311 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAfghan72 Central Asia was invaded by mongols and East Asians. People of Afghanistan and northern India are the hybrid of the aryans and dark skinned peoples. That’s why r1a is found there. Most popularly found in Eastern Europe.
@TheAfghan72
@TheAfghan72 3 жыл бұрын
@@freckleheckler6311 You couldn't be anymore wrong, Indian mixture in Afghans is less than 10% while Afghans like the Pashtuns score over 56% Steppe ancestry which is indicator of Aryan ancestry. R1a originates from around Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Afghanistan and later migrated westwards towards Europe. The only jealous one is you by claiming our history.
@VendPrekmurec
@VendPrekmurec 11 жыл бұрын
traveled (astronomically) over the Starry sky (Milky way) through Zoodiac like a human (and gods) through the life and death... his picture was removed and replaced with Vedic demon Asura (=Egyptian Asar or "Osiris"; means "Against the Surya/Sun")... ruler of the Underworld...All first Christian churches were built as tombs to this deity (also known Bacchus/Bakasura/Vakasura/Vakha;"weigh (a war); A'siri; "battle" in Sanskrit...(in Sir / Cheese; Ksiroda; Milky way).
@marlorobinson390
@marlorobinson390 2 жыл бұрын
Fake
@DerSchleier
@DerSchleier Жыл бұрын
Nah, you Homo Erectus are inferior.
@Odessitization
@Odessitization 11 жыл бұрын
PLEASE, STOP PREACHING! stay on the topic. god=year must be true (also after fomenko). and this is not intelligent to call him jewish troll, he destroys all the ideas of most religions, including jewish. after people, which you believe, is everybody, who is not with them "jewish". don't you notice this trick?
@ogeitaiogeitai3353
@ogeitaiogeitai3353 6 жыл бұрын
The thieves are white ppl from the west! Like brāhmī (ancient indian alphanets ), Tocharian alphabets derived from Aramaic alphabet from Middle east. As we known, these alphabets emerged around 2500 years ago, which is much later than the Tarim Basin Mummy! The Tocharian scripts later found in Tarim Basin is only 1400 years old. They are much much younger than the age of these Mummies found in Tarim Basin (at least 1500 younger! ). To say these mummies are Tocharians, just like Amerian Indians are white europeans! This is so absurd!
@littlehans2010
@littlehans2010 4 жыл бұрын
They are our Buddhist ancestors.I hope muslims get out of Tarim area to their own land.
@gypsybill
@gypsybill 3 жыл бұрын
Modern Uyghur are the descendants of these original proto Tocharian people and have the greatest right to the region as it is their ancestors' homeland.
@littlehans2010
@littlehans2010 3 жыл бұрын
@@gypsybill Uyghurs think they are turks.
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