The Temporal War (Star Trek Online)

This recap covers the events from the end of the Iconian War in 2410 and the involvement of that era's Starfleet and Khitomer Alliance in the Temporal Cold War.
Star Trek Online's addition to the lore is as valid as any other when you get into it as the timeline was a bundle of paradoxes and alternate realities clashing over the Temporal Accords.
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Star Trek Online is full of stories and call-backs to the TV series of days gone and to come. Set in the Star Trek universe's 25th century it places you in the center of these events in an ever expanding series of tales.
Join me as I fulfill the role of a Starfleet Captain, Mark Hale from the 23rd century as we explore the 25th century!
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This Video is for educational purposes with commentary.

[@andrewtaylor940]

"This one is going to attempt to recount the temporal wars" hold up, gonna need to get liquored up for this one.

[@hecomin152]

4 pints of bitter?

[@TacComControl]

Wait until you realize that the X-Men have time-travelled to the Enterprise not once, but twice. The A And the D.

[@JDEhlert]

@@TacComControl And even ended up in the 24th century for...issues...

[@robotechsto1984]

Time Travel = One major headach I used to watch the re-runs of the Time Tunnel on saturday mornings as a kind in the 80's

[@clockworkdeity]

“Let me try to explain the temporal Cold War... ahem...” *screams directly at the audience until they turn away in unease*

[@sagesheahan6732]

🤣👍

[@Willpower-74205]

Chief O'Brien and his future self: "I hate temporal mechanics." 😜💨

[@sagesheahan6732]

And Janeway. Lol.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

From a time of war, to a war of time; Flowing like the river Rhine. More awaits on Star Trek Online; Oh hey, and this rhymes .

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

It’s funny how you know when a giant battle is coming in sto, is everyone meeting up, and asking you to talk to everyone to get their two cents? Yeah somethings gonna go wrong

[@andrewtaylor940]

You would think that they might notice that every Peace Conference they invite Captain Hale to ends in explosions gunfire and death?

[@ptonpc]

@@andrewtaylor940 "I'm my defence Admiral. It wasn't *technically* my fault. Or at least as far as anyone can prove"

[@FarseerOfCearath]

I always find it funny whenever time travel stories try to create a sense of urgency. "Oh no! The baddies just went back in time. We must hurry to the time machine and stop them before they change something!" Like, they already did. Years ago. That's kind of the whole point of time travel...

[@forestwells5820]

This and many other reasons are why I plan to stay away from it. Time travel in fiction... honestly once the genie is out of the bottle, it becomes a cure all. Just look at Avengers. "We've lost. So let's travel through time and un-lose." It kills the tension and gravity of the event.

[@FarseerOfCearath]

@@forestwells5820 To be fair, they did at least do something more creative with it than just changing the past, and took un-undoable losses along the way which raised the stakes a lot more than usual.

[@patrickmccurry1563]

That problem can be avoided with strict rules for how time travel works. The real problem is that no movie or TV show ever stays consistent with the rules they create.

[@frankcabanski9409]

@@forestwells5820 Remember how many times they said, "we only get one chance". Then they went back again and again and again. It was silly.

[@barrybend7189]

A good time travel story runs on two timelines. The proper timeline of events and one of the time traveler's perspective. From the audience we see the big picture but with good writing that can be mitigated by writing from the traveler's perspective until all the pieces fall into place.

[@Geth7777]

Wibbly-Wobbly Timey-Wimey.... Stuff. Also, TIMELINE CHANGE IMMINENT!!

[@TacComControl]

"This all starts with the signing of the temporal accords, in 2769" Me, internally: Don't... Me: "Nice."

[@gallendugall8913]

Mmmm... Tempura War.

[@808INFantry11X]

Im hungry now LOL

[@jodybranson925]

Don't get any funny idea's, at least you're not thinking about a multi-reality war.

[@vegaobscurax23]

Deliciously destructive.

[@jodybranson925]

@@vegaobscurax23 not you too. You won't exists in another timeline because of temporal mechanics.

[@jigolocana7492]

Yes it is a tasty war a fried one

[@brianstiles1701]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one baffled by all the timey-wimeyness of this saga. Thanks for helping talk me through it!

[@1ukzje]

They always called it the 'Temporal Cold War' in the show but it seemed very hot to me when they were trying to erase the federation from existence

[@kevinramsey417]

I just ran through the Lukari story arc to stay ahead of you with my main (I just don't want plot spoilers). My captain Shepard has a thing going on with Kumaarke. A sexy thing.

[@spacepiratecaptainrush1237]

I'll take Janeway's advice for dealing with temporal paradoxes, "Just ignore them"

[@mastertadakatsu]

Yes, because this worked out for her.

[@spacepiratecaptainrush1237]

@@mastertadakatsu I mean, it sorta did. crew home safe and sound decades ahead of scheduled, significant blow to the borg, only her older AU self had to face any consequences. yes, I'd day ignoring paradox and temporal prime directive worked out pretty good for her.

[@mastertadakatsu]

@@spacepiratecaptainrush1237 you forgot that her disregard sent a Temporal Agent insane

[@spacepiratecaptainrush1237]

@@mastertadakatsu that was partly his own fault. In attempting to prevent a time loop paradox he caused it, had he not tried to solve/fix it, it wouldn't have happened. That and homelessness and probably being institutionalized for several decades, (over medicated, mistreated) drove him round the bend. Voyager ended up doing his job for him better than he could and that probably didn't help. End of the day, Janeway wasn't to blame for the whole thing. Might actually inform her opinion about paradox. If it all worked out, don't worry about it.

[@mastertadakatsu]

@@spacepiratecaptainrush1237 still doesn't excuse the fact that she is indirectly responsible for the events of the 22nd and 25th century fronts of the Temporal War. Yes Annarexs could be held equally responsible but why does Janeway get a pass so she can save one individual (she only did what she to make sure Tuvok got proper treatment for a mental illness). Not only that it could be said this attitude could have influenced Harry Kim when he broke the Temporal Prime Directive.

[@danieljames9322]

This entire video plus STO in general needs to be an entire novel series

[@joda7697]

What makes Star Trek weird in terms of time travel is the fact that there are shields that can make certain objects immune to timeline changes, but in general timetravel does not work with multiverse theory logic.

[@BlueSatoshi]

11:03 From what I understand, the Sphere Builders in STO became extradimensional as a result of done desperate measure to fight off the Borg. Can't remember if that's what happened, though. 12:18 It should be noted Krog's assassination attempt caused powers like the Klingon Empire to become hostile to the present day Na'khul, effectively fulfilling a time loop.

[@Janoha17]

The Tuterians tried to replicate the Solenae's technology, with similar results.

[@TheOnlyEpsilonAlpha]

To quote Capt. Janeway: Timetravel, as my first day as captian. i swear i would never get into them, the tomorrow is yesterday and wise-versa, i get a headache from it xD

[@NimhLabs]

The Temporal War is the Star Trek version of "A Wizard Did It" and I love it

[@UGNAvalon]

As someone who just started reading the Last Great Time War fanfic, this was a fascinating video! I only wish more stories were so ambitious in their temporal warfare storytelling!

[@Marconius6]

And this isn't even accounting for the whole thing where a malevolent AI tried to take over everything and Discovery (which everyone forgot existed) traveled thru time to stop it... or the entire Kelvin timeline... or that one time Kirk went back to the 70's to get some whales... You know what, I'm kinda fine with the Temporal Accords, good call.

[@japzone]

And apparently Discovery is leading towards full on Multiverse(not just time travel shenanigans). Prepare for the soup to get even thicker.

[@tixxoncraft]

I like that we see the same sto Captain every time on these videos,that gives them a real vibe

[@hinty6424]

So, the Tox Uthat was made to fix a problem caused by the Tholians so they could lure the Tox Uthat out.... I suppose as Paradoxes go its not awful, Kal Dono probably made it once, the Tholians saw it, wanted it, made a trap to lure him out which caused a sliiiightly new timeline where he made it for a different purpose. On the other hand, pretty sure the Xindi attack on earth was canon in STO BEFORE we meet Kal Dono and his wife. But the Xindi attack is from the timeline that the Sphere Builders were erased from. Any timeline in which they exist can not be one that the Builders are manipulating, since they have to be erased first, except I suppose since they are able to affect multiple timelines it could be possible they also caused the Xindi attack in the timeline they still exist in but if they can access that timeline why not just warn their people NOT to delete themselves because it wasn't even the federations fault it was the fault of the sphere builder, also why is Noye so determined to destroy the federation for the destruction of his wife who he can not have any feelings for or memory of because she literally never existed, and why does he blame them when it was he and his wife who chose to sacrifice her people to save his and ohmygodmyhead! I hate time travel....

[@HitodamaKyrie]

Unfortunately for the Sphere Builders it seems their plight is instrumental in the development of the galaxy as we know it. Noye was perhaps just a victim of convergence. The Sphere Builders had to be at the Battle of Procyon V and Noye was in a position to cause it. Had he failed, something else would've taken his place. A difficulty with temporal paradoxes is that they're practically caused on both ends. Cause equals effect but effect also equals cause.

[@joemoskowitz7427]

@9:58 - I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't say, "Checkov's wessel." lol. Otherwise, great video. I love confusing timeline stuff!!!

[@ShadeMeadows]

Time Travel! Easy to understand, Easy to comprehend, Easy to get, Easy to know, Easy to easy.

[@BNuts]

Time travel is always a headache, whether you're in the midst of it, or using it in your writing. In my opinion you either do it well, or not at all so you can avoid making a mess of everything. There are also multiple versions of time travel, although they can broadly be grouped under either single-timeline or multiverse theory time travel. In single-timeline time travel, alterations have an immediate affect on the timeline. In multiverse theory, however, the original timeline remains intact as it was, and alterations create their own universes with their timelines going forward. A byproduct of the single-timeline method is that it is self-correcting, such that no matter what changes a person tries to make, it will always seek to fulfill its own history. Meanwhile, multiverse theory can create as many alternate timelines as it needs to, however an individual timeline may not continue as distinct for very long: If it does not collapse back into a stronger, more original timeline upon re-intersecting with it, it could end in that timeline's destruction. _Star Trek_ has always used multiverse theory, with alternate timelines expressing different 'what if scenarios,' like the Mirror Universe or 'All Good Things.' Better yet, the _TNG_ episode 'Parallels' lets Riker look at multiple alternate versions of the _Enterprise_ , including one where the Borg overwhelmed the Alpha and Beta Quadrant powers. And this is after we've seen Worf travel through multiple different timelines, where different choices held different results, ranging from him placing differently in his Bat'leth tournament to Riker being in command of the _Enterprise_ , assumingly after Picard's death.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

My idea of time travel is where a new separate timeline is created as a result. This means you can't have a paradox where you killed your own grandparents thus preventing you from existing but then how would you kill them if you didn't exist?

[@joshuagenna3635]

I love this series and the game. After playing it, the story can be a bit confusing at times. Hearing someone else who Nows alot more about trek then me talk about it makes things more clear.

[@HitodamaKyrie]

Using some Steins;Gate terminology, we can suppose that the Battle of Procyon V is a major point if convergence. For the attractor field (aka world line trunk) that Star Trek takes place in, that battle is a fundamental occurrence. Considering the apparent importance of the Sphere Builders to said battle it may be the case that the Tuterians are forever doomed to that existence. Though again perhaps not, as the important part is that the Sphere Builders exist, not that the Tuterians become them.

[@drahcir8402]

This should be it's own live action show.

[@MrEscape314]

It was, but now it just wasn't anymore.

[@Chris8016]

Excellent summary, and like that you connected up the pieces with the series. I've always troubled to keep track of the dates and wanted to make a timeline myself. Only criticism, and its a minor one, is that you skipped over the attack on the Tholian nursery(?) fleet by the Na'kuhl that encouraged the Tholians to try and pre-emptively wipe out the Nakuhl

[@Glitch_Online]

God i love this man... i would not be as interested in this games story if it wasn't for him.

[@richardstone5552]

This must have hurt your head trying to put this together in some sort of order

[@RealSensationalBeing]

Hurts mine just listening

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

You did an amazing job there. It ended the only way it could. I conjecture that in a universe where time travel is possible, the most likely timeline to persist is the one with temporal accords, or one where all intelligent life dies (BTW, is this the answer to the Fermi paradox?). All others are bound to be changed, since people are obviously gonna keep changing it. By the way, paradoxes are by definition impossible, you have to understand this in-universe as a closed loop, where all seeming paradoxes are actually from timelines that did happen, but at a different time. Think about black holes, for example. Inside the event horizon, there's no time in our spacetime to which events which happen there can be assigned. It's a time out of time. Timelines that are erased are similar to this.

[@golgarisoul]

I hope the people that are in charge of the logistics of an allied time fleet have proper compensation for such a massive headache of a task.

[@Gameguru667]

Compensation?? Since when does the Federation use currency or pay people? :P

[@MinecraftLD10]

@@Gameguru667 Well at least the hope is they were given Replicator credits enough to deal with the massive logistics headache they’d have.

[@phelimridley6727]

@5:04 "The line must be drawn HERE. And no further!" 😁

[@CRYOKnox]

The way STO presents its main and side missions doesn't makes it easier imo to wrap ones head around how to unravel this timelines and lapses... Here take some ibutemperalprohen against tgat horrible temperal headaches

[@daveh7720]

I'm going to need something stronger. You got any theragen?

[@CRYOKnox]

@@daveh7720 would love too sadly the next delivery will come in...? Last Friday? Screw temporal mechanics...

[@daveh7720]

@@CRYOKnox In that case, just give me something... um, green.

[@CRYOKnox]

@@daveh7720 here you go the label is in klingon sayings it from vulcans that became romulans so i guess that's very green...

[@daveh7720]

@@CRYOKnox Now you're talking! Come to papa, my little green vixen...

[@AzraelThanatos]

I'm pretty sure that in the 3200's there was still time travel going on (If for no other reason than we get access to those ships in STO), it's just that the Dilithium Crisis put a pause on things for a while, then it started up all over again. Probably with several attempting to stop the Burn in the first place

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Ships are available in STO for two reasons, people want them and will buy them.

[@LaurenceDawson]

Really video. The content on this channel is getting better and better.

[@theoneyoudontsee-c8o]

"time is always a subject of swelling headaches that seam to never go away!"

[@strikerevimus]

"I hate Temporal Mechanics..." - Chief O'Brien and a possible version of the STO player character. "Let's just get this over with before my headache gets any worse..." Katherine Janeway I'd say you're in good company there. Even I have a headache when it comes to this stuff, and my sanity gets tested every time. Phantasy Star Online 2 does time travel hijinks, and it's also confusing. Not to STO Temporal Cold War levels, but confusing enough. I seem to have a knack for getting into things where time travel is in play...

[@Zipplandia]

Congrats on 100k subscribers!

[@golgarisoul]

I've been waiting for this.

[@HumanMrs]

My first time watching this... COOL!

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

Imo, the best time-related story in Trek is two-episode Voyager arc "Year of Hell". That was intense.

[@TannithVQ]

I have wished, wish, will wish, you a happy old/present/new selection of probabilities regarding the status of this or any other of the many worlds theory states of the Uni/multi verse.

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNitpicker]

Much like time travel: if you watch this backwards, it will make almost as much sense.

[@jannegrey]

100k Subscribers. And Great video.

[@jodybranson925]

I'm willing to postulate that's why Dualga is suffering from a temporal cold. The poor pocket monster hasn't been feeling well ever since.

[@irregularassassin6380]

Oh ... oh no. I knew it was spaghetti but ... I didn't know it was this much spaghetti... I wanted to include the Temporal War into my Star Trek Adventures games but ... good lord! I'll need to watch this at least three times to keep track of everything!

[@gustavopaez2444]

Thanks a Lot for this video

[@gareth4909]

Nicely bone and thanks

[@cmoser22]

This was cool

[@ThatNateGuy]

Yankee chiming in to compliment your regional American accent there at the end!

[@Nichodo]

That timeline is really crazy XD

[@Otokichi786]

The "Temporal Cold War/War" was mentioned during "Star Trek: Voyager," and, later, "Star Trek: Enterprise." Since it was Top Secret, nothing aside from a "resetting of the time line" was "revealed."

[@nicocarrero5953]

It was in Voyager?

[@RandomTrinidadian]

Best way to finish off 2020. Damn, that "time line" is a mess. Why am i even surprised?

[@WhitzWolf92]

That's what I'd call a time-scribble.

[@defies4626]

Honestly, it's not that bad. A mess, yes, but if you treat it as interlinked loops, it works out nicer.

[@WhitzWolf92]

@@defies4626 Time-olymic-rings, or time-Audi-logo, then.

[@robertdougherty349]

Although most of Daniels' "appearances" have been in holographic form only, he has still physically moved through time on many occasions. Canon has shown this to be very harmful to the psyche. Why hasn't he gone insane yet ? ....or has he ?

[@samk522]

His constant deaths and resurrections might "reset the timer," so to speak, so the psychic trauma has to accumulate again.

[@barrybend7189]

He uses a form of temporal transporter that probably doesn't have the same problems as the "older" 29th century version.

[@4eversquidsisters266]

“Temporal mechanics gives me a headache, and I don’t need another one right now.” -seven of nine, aboard voyager, I think

[@Thuazabi]

Pretty sure that was Janeway

[@Max_Flashheart]

Merry New Year

[@knightspearhead5718]

*continues hoping for a tv show following Temporal Agents*

[@golgarisoul]

Its times like this where I wish there was media that had a time traveler who says "aloha" as a way to just side step timey wimey BS.

[@japzone]

With a Stitch accent.

[@bobbyweinberg7543]

havard university here. anyone who understood and is able to recap and explain the temporal wars is granted a stipendium

[@aldenmclure2969]

Great job, thanks. I get so confused, the chicken or the egg.

[@theishiopian68]

Man, O'Brian was onto something.

[@JANEMBA9000]

What does the Federation's time keepers think of the Crinum Temporal Time guys 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@jame3shook]

in the Voyager episode, Dr Annorax had his wife at the end and didn't build the infernal machine...

[@JANEMBA9000]

@@jame3shook but all the data was there we saw a hollow gram of the design for the Temporal ship ... just waiting

[@Iluvantir]

Best way to visualise a Time-War: throw a plate of freshly cooked spaghetti at a wall. Whatever sticks is your visual aid.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Time travel is such a headache.

[@trusarmor4957]

15:31 this Chart hurts My Brain.

[@o.s.h6768]

THE ENERGY FROM ALOT WEAPONS DISCHARGES IN SPACE CREATES THIS NEW TOS REALITY.

[@navarog378]

Star trek writers are telling us that at no point after the year 3000-something noone ever egain used the time travel tech. It seems quite... impossible. The only explanation to this would be that either everyone in the future is absolutely, completely comfortable with how the things went in their respectable past, or everyone is... dead. Is the future Borg? Maybe some Omega event wiped out all the life in the galaxy? Maybe the Q went crazy? Where are the time travelers from the year 5000?

[@fingerboxes]

Maybe they're just better at hiding.

[@koppadasao]

My head! My head! My head is imploding!

[@gorillazzilla]

So in my observation: it all started with Captain's Holiday.

[@randomdude63406]

You should do the battle of Procyon V but with a T2 Temporal Science Vessel with your main character as well

[@JackofNothingess]

Goodbye hello. I know I will hear your comments in the future but I haven't done so yet. You have done a great job, as I'm sure you will.

[@LordVashAble]

I hate time travel it's rough eructating and it gets everywhere .

[@jacobredfield1386]

_Not like you... your timeline is smooth, linear. And cohesive, too..._ ;) UwU

[@noonespecial1178]

when gods fight ants get stepped on cool vid

[@patricklenigan4309]

Kal Dano's ship's interior being larger on the inside... Kal Dano is a time lord...change my mind! XD

[@nightstrikessds9027]

Hey are you using the Endeavor class in Iconian war and beyond? I mean you have some Endeavor visuals and also some normal odyssey parts in the Iconian war, so I assume you only bought the Endeavor class.

[@darwinxavier3516]

Time travel in Star Trek is ludicrously complicated. You'd need an elaborate flow chart to keep track of everything. Certifiably Ingame: You're welcome.

[@stephendean2896]

If the universe happens to be a multiverse then every possibility is realized. This would mean civilizations with the ability to travel the multiverse only needs to chose a universe with their preferred history. Then there would be no need to change or police time lines.

[@Thuazabi]

Yep, and with further refinement you could apply this all the way down to the individual level. Everyone everywhere everywhen gets their own version of a perfect life.

[@solarisdevorak]

Time is a weird soup - Ashley Johnson

[@BrotherPilgrimlife]

Well, it's about time

[@goldenknight578]

Do you want something even more confusing? Just put a pair of glasses on Porthos, and I'd swear he looks exactly like a Temporal Agent from "Way Back."

[@randyranderson690]

lol ...mah brain hurtz. I was gunna say, that must have been quite the headache to unravel. You must like untangling fishing line

[@David-b9q7j]

You might like Poul Anderson's time agent stories.

[@maarek71]

This entire quest line gave me a headache. I was glad when it was over.

[@yukin1990]

So what happen the Tuterians (also widely known as Sphere Builders) now???? Can we restore them normally ??????????

[@stephenfarthing3819]

It probably would not have halted the events leading up to the final temporal - unintended - incursion by the USS Discovery NCC 1031. Because the tail end of the events of Season 2 of the series finished off that potential problem as result of it's leap into the 32nd Century from 2259. To prevent Control from modifying into a threat that if it - and the sphere intelligence embedded in the mainframe of the ship's computer cores. Furthermore, subsequent other events like Picard's jump back from an alternative 25th century to the early 21st century to restore events back into temporal parity. In season 2 of Picard. Was another instance, like the jumpback from a Borg altered timeline to 2063 to restore Earth back - was equally tolerated for the same reason. But patches these were. I've been keenly watching Picard and Discovery series with interest. And there being an echo of these in Strange New Worlds has also been no surprise to me. There's a infinate wisdom in ending curiousity. Both the events in Season 1 of SNW and it's second season seem to back it up. Time travel has it's own considered risks and consequences. Pike certainly found that out. No wonder the Omega Directive came about too. The one instance that could supplant the Prime Directive.

[@Thrawn215]

This just made me even more confused then before, but at least you tried...

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Well at least then I conveyed why the Temporal Wars were such a problem, lol.

[@DeathBYDesign666]

And I just watched Tenet. I'm not sure whether it's a good movie or a clusterf@#k of time weirdness. This didn't help make my mind up either.

[@spacecadet2172]

I thought the benefactor was a future version of Captain Archer?

[@captainrgd1565]

Have you done replicators from star trek yet?

[@WTSD850]

I'm surpirsied that the shpere builders didn't try to invade the mirror universe, the mycelial realm or even fluidic space off course with time travel I'm sure it will have already occured at some point

[@barrybend7189]

"entropic acceleration" they tried.

[@WTSD850]

@@barrybend7189 I'm glad we have an explanation for why the Kelvin timeline still exists

[@OtakuboyT]

Oh no, I've gone cross eyed.

[@En_theo]

Was there not an interaction between the (spaceship) Voyager and a traveler from the futur in the 1990's ? This supposedly saved the futur from billions of deaths.

[@slowfudgeballs9517]

What in the world. How do you wright this?

[@azondaxx]

Tempura i love get that with bento meal and California rolls

[@josefanstey3309]

The Time War from Doctor Who was also a temporal war

[@metal87power]

How people living inside one timeline can tell what's wrong with it? Impossible.

[@vampwriter]

😭My head hurts... I'm going to bed now...

[@Sofus.]

Soooo what's next in Star Trek Online?

[@johnsimonson1207]

If he is continuing with this character, next will be us working closely with Kuumarke finding out why the Tzenkethi are now wiping out planets. Otherwise, it could be anything.

[@ritamosss8589]

The graphics are from which game again? From the android game ST online?