The Terrible Fate Of Marie Antoinette's Children | The Lost Dauphin of France And His Siblings

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History's Forgotten People

History's Forgotten People

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@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! And apologies if I've butchered the French language! Do you believe the stories surrounding the children, or were they just rumours spread by royalists?
@tamsel814
@tamsel814 2 жыл бұрын
these kids being alive was a problem for the revolutionist. With these kids alive the royalists had hope and someone to rally behind. While I dont think they outright tried to kill them, they had no reason to take good care of them. I think they did the minimum needed to keep the kids alive, but no more then that. maybe be a bit late with calling doctors etc, just hoping that natural causes would kill the them.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
@@tamsel814 I agree, I think the truth lies somewhere about there, as well. It was certainly EASIER if Louis Charles wasn't around, and France's laws banning females from the line of succession meant Marie Therese wasn't as much of a threat.
@pgonyea
@pgonyea 2 жыл бұрын
I happen to be related to her first adopted child.
@luciollelsa
@luciollelsa 2 жыл бұрын
Here is a little tip, when there is 2 letter "l" after an "i" like guillotine so it should sound gui-yo-teen.
@carolesmith2619
@carolesmith2619 2 жыл бұрын
@@luciollelsa 👍👍👍👍
@kellykelley2649
@kellykelley2649 Жыл бұрын
France has apologized for the misinformation campaign that created these horrible myths: "the green necklace" and "let them eat cake" etc. Marie actually started the first bread houses to feed those in need and she started the first French Orphanages ... and more ... anyone who is interested in Marie's history - I recommend: Marie Antoinette by Stefan Zweig - a brilliant iconic biography
@servraghgiorsal7382
@servraghgiorsal7382 Жыл бұрын
Not actually true. In england, it was a charitable duty for aristocratic women to distribute bread and alms to the poorer people who lived on their ( husband's ) estate. When they left their country home, the landowner provided an ox to be roasted chicken and distributed. Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire, was a good friend of Mar. Antoinette and Duchesse? Countess? De Polignac. They all loved to gamble, and M. A gave Dss of Dev thousands of Livre towards paying off her gambling debts . e
@kellykelley2649
@kellykelley2649 Жыл бұрын
@@servraghgiorsal7382 I was talking about France not England - In France they had the poor line up and watch the King and Queen eat. When Marie wouldn't eat in front of them, she was told it was to show the poor that the King and Queen were healthy and fed on their labor - she told them this would be unheard of in Austria. Again - not England - gambling was an aristocratic pastime that many took part in - I studied Marie, Cleopatra and Elizabeth the First - all at one time in charge of their PR and also victims of it. History is written by the victor - has nothing to do with the truth. QE1 Truth is discovered over time ... look at Issaac Newton - perfect example of people re-writing and "telling tales" or burning of papers ...to fit a narrative ... it's always in the next century when new eyes dig deeper.
@DC-bp8sx
@DC-bp8sx Жыл бұрын
@@kellykelley2649exactly right, I’d be fascinated to see what people say about current political figures in 100 years when the media and journalists aren’t being paid off or rubbing shoulders at dinner parties with the high and mighty elite. I’d be fascinated to hear what educated eyes that have no political interest, nor gain any benefit or disadvantage from having their own opinions, would have to say in 100 years. By then, the current powers that be won’t be In power and no one will want to fund payoffs for their long dead relatives from 100 years ago.
@Vee_of_the_Weald
@Vee_of_the_Weald Жыл бұрын
@@kellykelley2649 Please use her full first name Marie-Antoinette as just Marie is a) confusing as in France, many women are called Marie-Something (my ants are Marie-Claude and Marie-Bernadette, si if I were to talk about “marie” only, it just doesn’t work) b) incomplete
@kellykelley2649
@kellykelley2649 Жыл бұрын
@@Vee_of_the_Weald as she was the topic of the video and thread - I thought that was clear
@mimsydreams
@mimsydreams 2 жыл бұрын
This made me feel incredibly sad for her children. People focus so much on her and the King, and they never mention her children and all of the pain and suffering put on them while they were just small kids.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
I think up to a point, heartless as it sounds, what happened to the children was just treated as collateral damage. The very extreme Revolutionaries were too focused on their end goal to worry too much about the children.
@KittyStarlight
@KittyStarlight Жыл бұрын
Reminds me also of Cleopatra's children. Which is another very sad story. 😢😥 Not fair what happens to the kids in a lot of these sorts of situations. 😡
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
@@KittyStarlight Yes, that's another example! Complete with the stories afterwards of Caesarean managing to escape and living somewhere else.
@ligaskirbauska8652
@ligaskirbauska8652 Жыл бұрын
Russian Tzar children had the worst faith compared to these children
@janewright315
@janewright315 Жыл бұрын
​@@ligaskirbauska8652 not at all
@KathleenScherman
@KathleenScherman Ай бұрын
I was at Versailles this past summer. During the tour I was shocked how they spoke so highly of Marie Antoinette. This made me want to learn more about her. This video really nails a lot about her as for the children but does not touch on her charity. I have a new view on her and she was an amazing and caring woman.
@AnneMarieWindsorking
@AnneMarieWindsorking 7 күн бұрын
I am here to collect the Debt owed by Pierre Lasalle! I used my Austrian Royal Dowery that was held back by Prince Joseph Habsburg( my older Brother and my Insanely Jealous Mother, Maria Theresa Habsburg; Empress of the Holy Roman Empire. I gave Written Consent by Royal Contract to Secure and Pay for the 25 Ships and the French General who secured the French Soldiers to man the ships who sailed into the coast off the fledgling American Nation with Brave General George Washington waiting on the shore. Let be recorded in History that La’ Fayewas hiding in the Closet of General Washington during the ensuing Horrific Battle that was bravely LED by General Washington and French General Rochmononoff! French Soldiers bled and Died alongside American Soldiers to Give you a Free Country! But Colonel Pierre La’Salle who Signed with Queen Marie Antoinette to reimburse the Queen , attended her Trial for Treason to France and Broke the Tie to Guilliotine the Queen! Her eTrial FOUND her Innoc. “Diamond Necklace theft!”Judge said “we he Queen did not Steal the Diamond Necklace!” It was given to her to trick her! By Colonel La’Salle. She had returned it!! We want the Cost TODAY for the 25 French Ships! We know where his Descendants Live in Oppulance!!
@anne3067
@anne3067 Күн бұрын
There’s a great biography by Stefan Zweig She was actually a very fine person; the victim of lies spread by the revolutionary movement. She had the opportunity to leave herself before she and the King were arrested but she refused to leave her husband there alone.
@emeraldblue5291
@emeraldblue5291 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being 14, married to someone (a 15yo at that) you've never seen, put in a coach for hours across Europe, stopped in the woods, stripped naked, dressed in French clothes and having your entire identity erased? All being spoken to in a language you don't understand. That scene has always stayed with me. Talk about terrifying.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
All I can think about is how lost teenagers can feel anyway in unknown situations, but to also have the pressure of being queen of an entire country that hated her from the moment she arrived...well, it's amazing that anyone expected them to immediately become the perfect royal couple.
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Жыл бұрын
Marie-Antoinette spoke French when she arrived in France. Still, this change of life was quite brutal, it is true. But every princes experienced it when they got married, not only her. Life was hard for women.
@bidules
@bidules Жыл бұрын
This is purely anachronism...do not compare her time with your 21st century eyes
@Moonlitwatersofaqua
@Moonlitwatersofaqua Жыл бұрын
It was really hard for her. Marie was a bit of a tomboy in her youth so it was hard for her to adjust to the much more conservative french court. The lavish gowns she wore as a teenager were one of the only ways she could express herself.
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Жыл бұрын
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua Maria Teresa of Austria and her husband had a very "bourgeoise" life, less formal than the French court, but it does not mean they were not conservative. On the contrary : both were very religious and the Austrian Court was not reknown for its modernism and interest in Enlightment. As a person, Marie-Antoinette was all along her life very conservative, as her behaviour during the French Revolution will prove it. And the young Maria Antonietta had nothing to do with what we call a tomboy. You are right when you say that her taste for fashion was a way to express herself. But not "against" the French Court, far from that : as a child, she was shallow, her mother always complained about her lack of interest for anything intellectual. So, once in France, in a Court where appearance was so important, Marie-Antoinette was suddenly able to experience exactly what she was always fond of : fashion and her shallowness. Nobody in the French Court criticized her dresses (if not the money she spent in them). On the contrary, her mother was furious against her daughter (the Austrian ambassador used to write every details of Marie-Antoinette's life to her mother, including fashion). In contrast to many queens in Europe, Marie-Antoinette had a freedom that few of them ever enjoyed (see the life of Queen Charlotte of England. Who remember the names of the queens of Sweden, of Russia, of Spain, of Prussia, etc, etc, in the same period ?)
@seasonsoflife1324
@seasonsoflife1324 2 жыл бұрын
It’s always so sad to hear about children being ill treated those poor babies even if they were “royalty” they were still babies. Thank you for the history lesson
@mortyjansen399
@mortyjansen399 Жыл бұрын
Ohhh bless you. - in that age. This was not even the worst “ill treated” children experienced.
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
"even if they were royalty" huh? the adults didn't even deserve to be mistreated either! are you a royalty hater?
@heathercontois4501
@heathercontois4501 2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Marie. The people hated her because she was Austrian, then she was kept out of state affairs, never trained in her position but her mother, filled the emptiness in her marriage with frivolity that she was already surrounded by in the somewhat cloistered French court. It was a recipe for disaster.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly this! She was set up to fail, in many ways. Mending the damage between the two countries by marriage was probably a good idea, but why her mother didn't help prepare her better for being a queen is a total mystery. 🤔
@wordforger
@wordforger 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople SERIOUSLY. Maria Therese was a genius. She didn't bother teaching her daughter her skills? But then... Marie Antoinette was the second to last of sixteen children and her mother was an empress in her own right. No doubt mom was busy much of the time and the girl's education wasn't her first concern.
@mimsydreams
@mimsydreams 2 жыл бұрын
@@wordforger Maybe. But you would think, once the marriage was approved and a sure thing, she would at least sit her daughter down and give her a crash course or something. She just threw her to the wolves. How would this treaty between the two countries work out, if her daughter wasn't prepared?
@osmanthuswine190
@osmanthuswine190 2 жыл бұрын
It was really odd that her mother, an Empress, didn't even let her know what being queen entails 😭 If I was an Empress and my daughters are poised to be queens someday, I would've made sure they are prepared to govern a whole ass country OR at least educate a future monarch as a mother 😭
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
@@osmanthuswine190 I think what makes it even odder is that Maria Theresa was a really good ruler as Holy Roman Empress. But I suppose she did end up having sixteen children, and perhaps if you have sixteen children while running a whole empire, maybe it's difficult to teach everything that's needed to be known in time? Plus, for all of Marie Antoinette's good qualities, I don't think she was (and this is just my opinion!) the sharpest knife in the drawer. Both she and Louis XVI seem to have been nice enough in their own way, but not especially astute - especially when it came to the mood of the French people - and perhaps her mother had tried to teach her what she knew, but it just hadn't really stuck? Plus there was Marie Antoinette's age. Maybe if everyone had held the marriage off for a few years, it would have been enough for a little more grounding, as well.
@mandychapin9411
@mandychapin9411 2 жыл бұрын
I think Marie was highly misunderstood. She had a huge heart for those who suffered. She was known for spotting starving people on the streets, and making sure they were fed and cared for.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
There are definitely two versions of Marie Antoinette, if it can be put that way, and sometimes the truth needs digging for. I agree, something that often gets forgotten is that she did try to help the poor in a way she thought would help...but equally didn't do much to help with political policies that might have helped more. And I think maybe that came down to the fact that Marie Antoinette was a kind-hearted person, but not a politically minded one.
@georginamannor4373
@georginamannor4373 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople we
@fly89
@fly89 2 жыл бұрын
history is written by the winner..
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
@@fly89 Absolutely true!
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken 2 жыл бұрын
she had a heart big enough to fill it with ignorance
@Itried20takennames
@Itried20takennames 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Marie Terese…she may have been homesick for France while older and in England, but if I had went through what she did, as a totally innocent little girl, I don’t think I would be too eager to return to France.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Same here! I can imagine it was a strange experience. Possibly she hoped going back might give her a fresh start, but of course, she found herself unable to trust anyone who had supported the Republic.
@jjgems5909
@jjgems5909 2 жыл бұрын
The children didn’t deserve any of this. How horrific.
@servraghgiorsal7382
@servraghgiorsal7382 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe theydidnt deserve fear, violence, imprisonment, refugee status and all the rest,. But neither do the millions of refugee children who survive in horrific conditions today. We need to save our sympathy for victims today.
@shizukagozen777
@shizukagozen777 Жыл бұрын
They didn't but they were a threat because they could have claimed the throne much later.
@Seraphim4190
@Seraphim4190 Жыл бұрын
@@servraghgiorsal7382 You don't need to tell anyone how to feel. Feeling sympathy for victims of the past takes nothing away from current day victims.
@peterjpcritchley173
@peterjpcritchley173 Жыл бұрын
@@servraghgiorsal7382 Either one has sympathy or one does not; it is a natural rather than a rational quality, and exists on a continuum. Those who are selective in this respect are deficient.
@jadedgal05
@jadedgal05 Жыл бұрын
@@servraghgiorsal7382 - READ THE ROOM. Being sympathetic to these children doesn’t curtail any sympathy we might feel for children today. You’re a steaming pile.
@A.Girl.Has.No.Name.
@A.Girl.Has.No.Name. 2 жыл бұрын
How incredibly sad. Regardless of what their parents did, the children were innocent, and should have been treated as such.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
That's my feelings, too. I feel the children were punished simply for who their parents were - having said that, it was also a time where childhood and children's innocence weren't really an accepted idea yet.
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
Their parents didn't do anything deserving of this mistreatment. They weren't killed for crimes. they were killed due to the murderous minds of the revolutionaries, who went on to kill hundreds of thousands of people for political reasons alone, the "Reign of Terror". There is NO comparison to the American Revolution- different continent from Britain, we did not kill our monarch, we had been running our own colonies for over a hundred years already. Electing our own governors etc making our own laws. And were NOT being represented in the British Parliament at all. ETC. We were colonies, ready to become a country, we did not take over Britain. But the British soldiers occupied our homes and fired the first shot that started the War.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 Жыл бұрын
A SZÜLEIK AZT TETTÉK AMI A KOR KIRÁLYAI TETTEK MINDIG IS. A TÖBBI RIZSA ÉS HAZUGSÁG, MA MÁG ROSSZABB, BIOROBOTKÉNT ÉLÜNK
@ad6417
@ad6417 5 ай бұрын
Louis and Marie were saints. You have no idea what you are saying. They truly were martyrs.
@davinasquirrel7672
@davinasquirrel7672 Ай бұрын
Not sure what the OP is saying here, it is not like any of the children were executed with the parents. More scattered to the wind, particularly the adopted ones (ie just returned to the 'commoners pool' as it were. A bit of exiling going on with the eldest daughter. But they fared quite well considering it was bloody-thirsty times. The Russian royal children, not as lucky at all. That was a lot more gruesome for the children.
@leavesofgold3479
@leavesofgold3479 Жыл бұрын
My heart broke over listening to what Louis Charles endured.
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
i know, that is heart- rending!
@KCohere33
@KCohere33 9 ай бұрын
I just listened to an audiobook about poor Louis Charles and it was even worse than I imagined. I seriously wanted to cry. The cruelty just never ended.
@AnthonyFelixCano
@AnthonyFelixCano 2 жыл бұрын
I listened to this while making some spaghetti and maaan it was a wild ride. History will always be way better than any movie
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It really is! I never understand when historical films aren't accurate because there's seriously no need to make extra stuff up.
@Lostinamomentillnevergetback
@Lostinamomentillnevergetback 2 жыл бұрын
Truth always weighs out.
@forshizzlemywizzle
@forshizzlemywizzle 2 жыл бұрын
I mean not to mention spaghetti. Spaghetti will always be better than a movie.
@LilAngelPrincess95
@LilAngelPrincess95 Жыл бұрын
Funny, I was eating spaghetti while listening to this
@paulakaysmith9151
@paulakaysmith9151 Жыл бұрын
Antoinette was a scapegoat and she was a very good mother!
@JoC-bg3tf
@JoC-bg3tf Ай бұрын
She was known as Antoinette. If you know so much about her then you should know that at least.
@paulakaysmith9151
@paulakaysmith9151 Ай бұрын
@@JoC-bg3tf Amen! And, I do know that, dear! God Bless!🤗✝️🕊️🦋
@JoC-bg3tf
@JoC-bg3tf Ай бұрын
@@paulakaysmith9151 Then why did you refer to her as Marie? :)
@paulakaysmith9151
@paulakaysmith9151 Ай бұрын
@@JoC-bg3tf All apologies. I respect your opinion. It's been corrected. May God bless you and your family ✝️🙏🕊️ Take care
@annacobb1140
@annacobb1140 Жыл бұрын
The poor woman. She was forced and molded into an "indulgent" scapegoat. She was a child! They told her to act the way she did and she did. It killed her
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
She definitely was a scapegoat, that's true. Don't get me wrong, Marie Antoinette wasn't perfect, and she absolutely overspent when she was a teenager - but I'd love to find someone who was in her position who wouldn't have. At that time, there was an expectation that royalty should look and present themselves a certain way, and when she grew older and had her children, Marie Antoinette changed a lot. A huge amount of France's debt was actually due to sending sums of money to the U.S. in its fight for independence, and Louis XVI tried to put in place laws that would relieve taxes on people, but the Church prevented them going through as this would have negatively affected it. It was way more complicated than 'Marie Antoinette buys lots of jewels and dresses = everyone else is poor and hungry", but it's far easier to whip people into a frenzy for your own ends if you have a single target.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 Жыл бұрын
NAGYON IGAZA VAN ÖNNEK, MINDEN KIRÁLYI UDVAR IGY ÉLT. FELHZTÁK VIDÉKRÖL A CSOCSELÉKET ÉS 10 MILLIO HALOTT LETT. EZ A FELFORGATÁS RABLÁS VOLT A CÉL. UGYANAZ A FAJTA AKI OROSZ FORRADALMAT SZERVEZTE@@HistorysForgottenPeople
@prettyponybaby2007
@prettyponybaby2007 10 күн бұрын
This! I was in Paris last year and got to go to Versailles and my guide said the same thing. She was a scapegoat
@savedbygrace1582
@savedbygrace1582 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else impressed with this storyteller's absolutely amazing talent?
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Aww, that's very kind of you to say so. 😊
@cindearbuckle6074
@cindearbuckle6074 Жыл бұрын
Always fascinated by Marie Antoinette I believe she wanted to be a good queen wife and mother. It’s too bad the children her son especially had to go thru such torture and heartaches.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
It is sad, but at least her daughter survived to an old age, which is always something of a revenge. I think Marie Antoinette wanted to be a good queen as well, but she was hampered by a lot of outside factors, as well as being unprepared for the role.
@John-wg6xw
@John-wg6xw Ай бұрын
Great narration. Thank you for not using a computer voice. I personally always click off when I hear that noise.
@salvelegio1425
@salvelegio1425 2 жыл бұрын
Once I, almost by accident, visited a mansion in the mid part of Sweden. At this mansion lived the sister of Axel von Fersen. In her bed chamber hanging on the wall was a painting. This painting depicting two children was sent by Marie Antoinette to Axel and then given to his sister.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
They were, at least, intensely close friends, so there would be gifts. Whether or not they were actual lovers is still a matter of huge debate!
@Woof728
@Woof728 3 ай бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople A ring Von Fersen gave to Marie was engraved inside "Everything leads me to thee." That's more than friendship. I believe I read that some correspondence between the two was found indicating that they indeed were lovers.
@lorettafox7122
@lorettafox7122 2 ай бұрын
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@bonkersmyboi5317
@bonkersmyboi5317 Жыл бұрын
I've always wondered what happened to her children. Not many people go this in depth into them. Great video!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@kathy2539
@kathy2539 2 жыл бұрын
The French Royals demise and the suffering of their children is as tragic as the Romanovs of Russia. Often, today, I watch appalled, as the French celebrate Bastille Day, when I think of what was to occur after these events to the Royal family. I often think about the lost Dauphin and what they did to him before his death, that poor boy. Horrible! Isn't it wonderful how a nation can forget their past evil, and go about celebrating it! And aren't we all guilty of it?
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
I think certainly almost all the wealthier nations do it at some point - mine included! I think it's difficult when your present reality is, at least in part, thanks to an event that also included some bloodshed. I know it's not the same, but I still inwardly shudder when I see a Guy Fawkes effigy planted on a bonfire over here - happens less now, but still happens sometimes. It wasn't just him, AND he was hung, drawn, and quartered, I feel it's too much to still be burning the poor guy centuries later!
@ticketyboo2456
@ticketyboo2456 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople considering he was a terrorist I don't feel bad.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
@@ticketyboo2456 That's fine - my point is it's a simplistic interpretation of what happened on the 5th November. Guy Fawkes didn't work alone (wasn't even one of the ringleaders), but still he takes all the blame. What about the others, such as Robert Catesby? And to persecuted Catholics, he was a freedom fighter. Where do we decide that line is drawn? History always has a bias, and two sides.
@nomadpurple6154
@nomadpurple6154 2 жыл бұрын
It's the only way to remove a dictatorship. The parents are responsible for the destiny of their children, they could, at any time, choose to renounce the power and wealth which they have done nothing to earn and are not entitled to. Then they could work to raise their children and keep them safe. Choices were made on both sides and the many children who suffered much worse are never remembered because their lives didn't count then and still don't.
@Bugs3820
@Bugs3820 2 жыл бұрын
@@nomadpurple6154 I still don't think those children should have been punished for their parents actions. What if you're dad assaulted someone and you were sent to jail? Where is the justice there? It's just dumb
@etoiledemer99
@etoiledemer99 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully put together! So few people know about this side of Marie Antoinette's life.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken 2 жыл бұрын
is that why she never mentioned the people and how they suffered; while she was writing her last letter?
@etoiledemer99
@etoiledemer99 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChickenMcThiccken what?
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken 2 жыл бұрын
@@etoiledemer99 WHAT? when they imprisoned antoinette before her execution. she was writing a final letter . in that letter; she only talked about some kids of hers ; but made no mention of the public suffering she was being executed for.
@Woof728
@Woof728 3 ай бұрын
I've always had an interest in Marie Antoinette but knew nothing about her adopting 4 children. This was so interesting! I made a trip to Versailles about 25 years ago and it was breathtaking! The opulence was sublime! I highly recommend a visit there.
@anotherjunkie2
@anotherjunkie2 2 жыл бұрын
So tragic 😢 for these children …all of them
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It really was - I must admit, when I researched them I hoped at least one did well! To be fair, Marie Therese at least had, by all accounts, a happy marriage, and she was surrounded by other members of her family for the rest of her life, so that's something. And we don't really know what happened to Jeanne, so I'm hoping she and her sisters went on to have happy lives. 👍
@taniaramaki5142
@taniaramaki5142 2 жыл бұрын
I have graduated from french school the story of the revolution and the sad end of the monarchs were taught to us in detail but the adopted children were never mentioned it is very interesting to find out about them
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It's not something that is well known, it's true! I suppose as they were not the royal family they were allowed to simply fade into the background, they weren't important to the Revolutionaries. Having said that, if Armand had lived longer, I think they would have used him leaving the royal family to join the rebels as propaganda.
@milliondahlia8780
@milliondahlia8780 Жыл бұрын
Tania, unfortunately, in many countries, in schools, they only teach what the local governments believe fits with their own mentality, never the full facts! I lived in France X many years and never knew anything about this 😱 PS, i write parodies etc ..in French etc..on UT, Million Dahlia, Happy new Year 🎈🤗
@toniremer1594
@toniremer1594 Жыл бұрын
I’m so incredibly happy that I have subscribed to your channel, because I had forgotten about the children of Marie Antoinette (I learned about them in high school). IF Marie Antoinette was able to watch this, she’d be so extremely grateful for the amount of research, knowledge, compassion and love that you have put into this video. You’ve done such a phenomenal job at making Marie Antoinette look like a down to earth woman, and not what the wrongful myths bestowed upon her by her enemies ( ie “let them eat cake”), BUT it was Jean-Jacques Rousseau that wrote that very saying in his book, which was titled “Confessions,” that was written in 1765 - when Marie Antoinette was only 9 years of age, and she wasn’t even a queen yet. Yes, she spent extravagantly, on herself, but she also spent quite a bit of money to open up orphanages and bread kitchens, which could be the birth of soup kitchens across the world. Of course, she isn’t given credit for starting these wonderful things, because her “enemies” wanted to usurp her, and the king, from the get-go. She definitely didn’t deserve to be beheaded for her spending, because, in my opinion, that’s not considered to be a treasonous crime. Can you possibly imagine what her enemies would think of how much SOME royalty, along with those who are mega-rich, spend on themselves today?? They’d probably have grand strokes or heart attacks. Despite all of what she had been accused of, she’s an absolute legend. As long as people, like you, make videos about the real truth about Marie Antoinette, we can stomp out the dishonesties said about her. As I said, this was a very phenomenal video, and you did Marie Antoinette proud!!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you so much! It makes it worth even more to know that people enjoy my videos and the way I try (it's not always possible, admittedly) to see the human side of people - the truth, if possible. 😊 I agree that Marie Antoinette was definitely extravagant, but as you say, she did put some of that money to good use, and what is often forgotten in modern times is that the royalty were expected to spend lavishly in order to behave and appear as royalty. The problem really was that public feeling was turning against this, but Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had been brought up to understand that was how they had to behave. One flaw in someone's personality caused by their upbringing, is certainly not, in my humble opinion, an entire person's character!
@ChrystalHallam
@ChrystalHallam Жыл бұрын
Sadly, we are still victims of propaganda, even in today's world. People never stop to think for themselves.
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
her spending could have been limited by t he parliament they had then, Estates- general or something like that. So there was no excuse to hold it against her.
@Mr.Scary26
@Mr.Scary26 4 күн бұрын
Marie Antoinette’s work, such as opening the first bakery and orphanage in France, was truly remarkable and a display of kindness that history has overlooked. Her contributions deserve more recognition than misunderstandings and false myths. Thank you for sharing this perspective.
@MidnightAndLuna
@MidnightAndLuna 2 жыл бұрын
Truly fascinating! I never knew much about her children. I remember the story of what she said about her daughter, that she belonged to her instead of the country. Other than that, not much.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, I didn't know much either, until I began researching them. I also didn't know Marie-Therese had written a memoir, which is where a lot of the information about what happened in the Temple Tower comes from.
@amandagrace31
@amandagrace31 Жыл бұрын
20:30 this is so heartbreaking. I am so close to my mom and a mother and daughter bond can be so special. I bet Marie Antoinnette was a great mom.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
For all of her faults, Marie Antoinette certainly does seem to have a good, caring mother, and was very close to all of her children.
@Lulu-ut9pv
@Lulu-ut9pv 2 жыл бұрын
It's so sad how these children where treated.... like pawns
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to be a bit of a pattern for royal and noble children, sadly! I certainly think they were just seen as a way to get what people in the new power wanted. I do wonder what might have happened to Louis Charles had he not died from tuberculosis. His sister was eventually freed, but as he became a teenager, he might have been more of a threat as the royalists tried to free him?
@Tugela60
@Tugela60 2 жыл бұрын
That was pretty much how all children were treated at the time though.
@Realalma
@Realalma 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tugela60 yes.. all royal children. It must have been extremely difficult to have your child taken (especially the boys) as wards of the courts at very young ages.
@Pollicina_db
@Pollicina_db 2 жыл бұрын
@@Realalma why especially the boys???
@jamesr1703
@jamesr1703 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. You'd think that they would have all lived splendid lives, but much to the contrary.
@jenfnp
@jenfnp 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I have done extensive reading on MA. There seems to be a tendency for folks to judge historical figures by 21st century standards. I see MA as woman of her time, limited in some ways and wonderfully loving in many other ways. Hope others will read about her and soften their attitudes.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I hope you enjoyed the video. 😊 I think it's always difficult when there are elements of the past that look (or sometimes are!) similar to the present, and the urge is to know someone else went through something similar, or had a leader who was just as hated, etc. I agree Marie Antoinette was very much of her time, particularly of the royal social order which was still expected at the time regardless of poverty. I think she and Louis XVI were just not able to accurately understand the way the wind was changing, whether to just not being adept to it, or the fact that living at Versailles was so far removed from reality.
@mimine93ser42
@mimine93ser42 2 жыл бұрын
Who's judging her by 21st standards ? just curious
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 2 жыл бұрын
Read Antonia Fraser’s biography of Marie
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Жыл бұрын
too bad nobody treats any of the actual revolutionaries with the people's best interests in mind this way
@T6706K
@T6706K Жыл бұрын
They do that currently about white people and slaves.
@shamarunger5908
@shamarunger5908 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Miranda! I'm just a person who enjoys history documentaries. :) I have no background or education in that area. I enjoy that you cover stories that I have read/watched much about but you give me all this other "little" details that are so filling for the whole picture. I really appreciate it!!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
I always find all the little bits the most satisfying part of the bigger picture, sometimes. 😊
@mdc3148
@mdc3148 Жыл бұрын
Definitely should make a video on Marie Antoinette’s great grand niece and nephew, Carlota of Mexico and Emperor Maximilian! Great photos!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm pleased you enjoyed it. 😊 And I'll make a note of that, thanks for the suggestion!
@mdc3148
@mdc3148 Жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I did enjoy! And if you ever do make one, it would be awesome if it didn’t have a Republican slant to it. Mexican conservatives/monarchists elected Maximilian as emperor and they were the first to speak to Empress Eugenie of France about the situation and to get the ball rolling. Everyone makes it look like Napoleon III invaded and set him up as puppet. The conservatives had the intention of electing a Mexican monarch for years, ever since the 1st Mexican empire was formed during independence! The Mexican empire had the support of the Mexican nobility, clergy, many native groups that saw Maximilian as a fair ruler, and locals who joined the Imperial army which was supplemented by French support. The Emperor also stood up to Napoleon III when he did not hand over the mines to him but said those resources are for his new adopted country.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
@@mdc3148 I like it ! I've definitely put it on my list for a future video.
@veronicajade20
@veronicajade20 5 ай бұрын
What happened to Marie Antoinette's son was _horrifying._ His revolutionary "caretakers" abused and neglected that poor child to death. Yes, he was a former noble but he was also a little boy who didn't ask to be born to the royal family. I couldn't believe they treated an innocent child thus. 😒
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls 3 ай бұрын
The bible even says not to visit the sins of the father on the sons. Seems like no one bothered to learn that.
@vanessamartz7596
@vanessamartz7596 3 ай бұрын
The children of the last Tsar of Russia were gunned down only a little over 100 yrs ago. The children of Israelis were killed ruthlessly last October.
@Maugirl2
@Maugirl2 Ай бұрын
Classic case of what happens when ideology invades the mind.. all sense of human compassion and indeed, common sense and common decency goes out of the window. History repeats itself regularly albeit with different circumstances but with essentially the same disease of ideology versus humanity.
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls Ай бұрын
@@Maugirl2 Very articulately said. The people did not even know their own religion about compassion. Even the Old Testament said not to put the sins of the fathers on the sons but hate and resentment ignored that.
@philomena3529
@philomena3529 Жыл бұрын
That was interesting informative and very enjoyable. You are a natural narrator, so pleasant to listen to. Thank you for telling that story.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Thank you, that's very kind of you! 😊 I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@TuckerSP2011
@TuckerSP2011 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this, in a very sad way. It was informative and your graphics and the artwork used were just beautiful.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! You're right, it's good to learn about, but it was disappointing to find out it wasn't a very happy ending for most of them.
@beedee4427
@beedee4427 Ай бұрын
Absolutely fascinating! Have never even heard of a couple of these children. Many thanks
@jenniferelkins
@jenniferelkins 2 жыл бұрын
This is so tragic, but I learned so much. Thank you!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@lostintime-nn2vl
@lostintime-nn2vl Ай бұрын
Revolutionaries abusing the children in such a way reminds me how immature adults can be.
@SalimahRahman
@SalimahRahman Жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for her and all her family.
@kathy2539
@kathy2539 2 жыл бұрын
You have to wonder what Marie Therese was feeling when her Uncle was King and she returned to France with her husband! Many of those who were members of the Revolution would still have been alive, personally I would've wanted revenge or to spit in their faces if they ever came near me! It must have been horrible to be back amongst them!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
I think there's a lot of evidence she had a hard time trusting anyone who had supported the Republic, and I agree, it must have been horrible for her. What made it worse is that she had to leave again in 1830!
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Жыл бұрын
In his last letter and testament, Louis XVI asked his children not to seek revenge for his death. Because he knew something : if you seek revenge, especially when you rule a country, it is the better way to start or restart a civil war. Louis XVI was obviously more clever than his younger brother, Charles X, who wanted revenge : as a result, he lost his throne, and had to leave France once again 🙂 Of course, I am not saying that revenge is not a "natural" feeling. But you can't let revenge lead your life.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
@@heliedecastanet1882 It certainly sounds as though Louis XVI was aware of the danger of provoking people once more. He was probably also thinking as a father - it must have been terrifying to leave children behind and be unable to prevent whatever may happen to them, and at least in asking them to stand down he could imagine it would help them survive.
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople It rather sounds like someone who thinks of all the potential victims from revenge. It sounds above all like the letter of someone who perhaps has not been the best king of France, but who surely knew what a king should be : someone who reunites people, not divides them. That is what his brother Louis XVIII understood too when he came back. And this is exactly what the last brother did not understand, that makes him loose his throne.
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Жыл бұрын
actually oppression of the people is bad fun fact
@JaRule6
@JaRule6 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I have read a biography about Marie Antoinette and I do not remember all those details about the children so thank you for that. I think I'm going to have to look for a better biography and read about her life again 🤘❤️🙏🏻
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊 There certainly isn't as much on her children, it's true. If you're interested, I've put a link in the description of a book about Marie Therese, her daughter, that I used when I was researching this video. It was really detailed, and had a lot of information of what happened in the Temple Tower.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 2 жыл бұрын
The one by Antonia Fraser is excellent!
@danatowne5498
@danatowne5498 Жыл бұрын
I think about these people whenever I hear about "the horrors of the church" in modern times. We would all do better to have a sense of history and humanity in general. People use all sorts of excuses to be cruel to each other, anything used as a scapegoat is just that.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly - the question should always be who wants everyone at each other's throats? The majority of people, I think, just want to get along but someone will always be willing to use discontent to their own ends.
@danatowne5498
@danatowne5498 Жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople , exactly! Thanks so much for your reply, I really wasn't expecting one. :) This is excellent work particularly because you DO focus on the humanity - thank you very much for your content!
@Justiceisforeveryone
@Justiceisforeveryone 2 күн бұрын
The church has encouraged cruelty
@danatowne5498
@danatowne5498 2 күн бұрын
@@Justiceisforeveryone , HUMANS have encouraged cruelty in every area of life eventually despite the best of intentions. Some people will always abuse whatever system there is. Believe whatever you want, but your argument is tired, immature and less relevant every day.... Have you HEARD of the 20th century? And btw, you are commenting on a video that documents what the "Reign of Terror" did to some people in the name of "reason". Whatever, dude... And by the btw, Where exactly does the idea of "Justice" in your screen name come from? Math? Natural selection/survival of the fittest? How does THAT work? If you want to be an atheist at least be a thoughtful one - watch some Alex O'Conner.
@carolmurray187
@carolmurray187 2 жыл бұрын
All those poor wee children.
@kaykay757a
@kaykay757a Жыл бұрын
The wet nurse did it. She should have been replaced after infecting the first son. So sad 😢
@Αννεεετα
@Αννεεετα 6 ай бұрын
poor Marie Therese and Louis Charles I wish I could give them a big hug they didn't deserve this
@WonderfulEagle-mm1vj
@WonderfulEagle-mm1vj 3 ай бұрын
There is so much that is a myth in the reign or terror. That is very confusing.
@WonderfulEagle-mm1vj
@WonderfulEagle-mm1vj 3 ай бұрын
Stories of just how terrible the French monarchy was weiter the stories are true or not it's hard to know.
@WonderfulEagle-mm1vj
@WonderfulEagle-mm1vj 3 ай бұрын
What a terrible time in Europe
@emperorofpluto
@emperorofpluto Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a fascinating video. Lived in Paris in the late 1980s with a count and countess and later with the descendant of a famous chronicler of the reign of Louis XIV - not sure if they still do, but in those days aristocrats would wear a black armband on Bastille Day in honour of their ancestors murdered in the Revolution. Some of the revolutionary songs are unbelievably bloodthirsty - there's one about chopping off heads and even La Marseillaise talks about "impure blood filling the trenches" (qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons).
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's true, I always think it's such a difficult history for France (like all of Europe, of course), and there's a balance between apologising for the bloody damage that was done, and also accepting that it was the start of the Republic, which still survives in its modern form.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 Жыл бұрын
10 MILLIO JALOTTJA VOLT ANNAK VÉRES ILLIMUNATI SZERVEZKEDÉSNEK UTÁNA JÖTT A FOLYTATÁSA OROSZORSZÁGBAN, CSALÁDIRTÁS
@altinaykor364
@altinaykor364 10 ай бұрын
another reason why I won't sympathize with French republic! imagine being the reason for suffering of so many of your people, supporter of a bunch of toxic people and having the nerve to be proud of it
@amandajones6481
@amandajones6481 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this fascinating video. I didn't know anything about the children of Louis XV1 and Marie Antoinette before I watched your video. It's sad that their lives were either very short or else long but traumatic, as in the case of Marie Therese, but they were luckier than the last Tsar of Russia and his wife and four children, who were - of course - all shot dead in the cellar of the house where they were kept under house arrest in Ekaterinberg.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 Жыл бұрын
MARIA TEREZIA AZ ÉDESANYJA VOLT, HABSBURG CSÁSZÁRNÖ, NE KEVERJE A LÁNYÁVAL A KI MARIA ANTINIETTE
@Shelly-mz9yf
@Shelly-mz9yf Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. Information I never knew about the family🙂 its just crazy that no one else ever found this info. Adopting children just because. My heart believes she was another of those who got in the middle of something and unjustly rammed. This was such a great educational opportunity. Thank you so much 💓
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 😊
@summerwine121
@summerwine121 Жыл бұрын
My heart always breaks and i feel teary when thinking of the ordeal that poor boy of hers went throught and how he died. Royalty or not, it s was so cruel 😢
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
I think the children on all sides, rich or poor, were definitely the losers in the conflict, sadly - much as today, I suppose.
@smokerings9588
@smokerings9588 2 жыл бұрын
Your channel is fascinating andi just had to subscribe. The topic of history's forgotten people is a personal favorite.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Glad to have you here. 😊
@xcrazypopprincess
@xcrazypopprincess 2 жыл бұрын
Very well done and informative, thank you. The way you speak is also very soothing...but this story is a very sad one. Am i correct to say that Marie Antoinette does not have any descendants today? Since her only surviving daughter did not have issue. Her story always makes me sad, she never really had a chance...and still today her true story is not widely known. Her story is one of the worst but many noble and royal women suffer similar fates at the whim of their husbands and those around them.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Yes, there are no direct descendents of Marie Antoinette, but there are descendents through her maternal family line through some of her siblings. She really was kind of already weakened from the start; her mother didn't prepare her for being Queen, the French Court disliked her merely for being Austrian, and I think she and Louis XVI were just too young when they were married.
@xcrazypopprincess
@xcrazypopprincess 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Yes, her mother had lots of children. I believe Empress Maria Theresa was busy running her own empire and did not pay much attention to her children. Most of them married nobles too. Marie Antoinette was a young girl thrown into a terrible situation where most people would find hard to overcome anyways. 14 years old and expected to be Queen with no one to rely on. Her life is a tragic one but this new revelation that she does not have any direct descendant today saddens me all the more.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
@1973 thunderbirds Yes, there are no direct descendents of either Louis XVI or Marie Antoinette, but there are descendents of Marie Antoinette's maternal line, i.e. those who share mitochondrial DNA with Maria-Theresa of Austria.
@cheryljohnson8053
@cheryljohnson8053 Жыл бұрын
​@@HistorysForgottenPeople 16:24
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
@@1973ThunderBirds lol no, it is very wrong to say there aren't any french royals.There are several who could be king today. But the French do not allow it of course. Theyhave other descendants too, fromthe family of the Bourbon kings. just not directly from Louis and Marie, but from his father's family for sure, who had many children and some are identified today. Some are counts of different countries by marriage of parents, and the king of spain is a cousin, descended from same people, of the House of Bourbon. Because the brothers, uncles and cousins of Louis married other royals of other countries.
@Lucinda-zr9su
@Lucinda-zr9su Ай бұрын
When Marie Therese was released from prison , she fought long and hard to get her brother released. She said, while in prison, she could her him crying n being mistreated. Shameful part of french history. Also, Joseph Bologne, the chevelier de St George, was a part of Marie's court. He was a genius violinist n fenser among other talents. A contemporary of Haydn n Mozart. The king n queen wanted him to be director of the royal opera but there was grumbling n complaing by the courtiers. Louis would not assign ANYONE to the post. I 1st heard of him from an excellent childrens book back in 2007. I still have the book. Its not only about him but about the king n queen n life in versaille. Get it if u still can. Hey... an education is an education no matter how u get it. My youngsters loved the story. Also, this was the 1st time i learned about Marie n Louie's other children.
@erinmboehm
@erinmboehm 6 ай бұрын
I read a book on the life of the dauphin after the executions of his parents and it’s horrible that poor child
@janetmarx9491
@janetmarx9491 Жыл бұрын
I’m fascinated by the French Revolution and wish there were more documentaries that are available .
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Well, I've got a few more coming over the next few weeks, hopefully that adds to them! 😊
@annapetrash5093
@annapetrash5093 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful paintings
@annecc11
@annecc11 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I learnt a lot from this documentary not least of all, the children of Versailles.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@updatedjustnow271
@updatedjustnow271 2 жыл бұрын
We never remember history when we should. The inequity between wealth and poverty is fertile ground for revolution and civil war. Sound familiar? History always seems to repeat itself.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, the biggest truth in history seems to be that we are doomed to repeat it. Hopefully, over time we'll learn and change things!
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
we do need to tend to these matters better in our countries who don't really.
@SilverSunPublishing
@SilverSunPublishing 2 жыл бұрын
It's very strange that so many of the children died young like that. The times were very turbulent, and I wonder if the cause of death was actually a poison, and intentional, to cause the royal family distress.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Well, there's no proof of it, but I guess you can't rule it out. The rate of death for younger children was very high even then, and I think possibly there was a genetic issue seeing as many of them developed tuberculosis (maybe like an immune disorder). There's no proof of that either, mind you, that's just me guessing! 🙂
@FireMageLayn
@FireMageLayn 2 жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople not a genetic issue, but tuberculosis can remain dormant in the lungs for years, even decades, before becoming active. Their nursemaid could have infected all of the children at the same time, and then they died off one by one as periods of ill health weakened their body and caused the TB to become active. TB inspired vampire stories, because of the way it would go through households, each successive family member becoming sick and wasting away as if they were being drained from beyond the grave.
@soniamacdonald9193
@soniamacdonald9193 Жыл бұрын
The palace at Versailles was overcrowded and very unsanitary, so infections of any type among the young and the weak would have run riot.
@jennh2096
@jennh2096 Жыл бұрын
Mortality rates for children were very high back then, and were in fact, even higher in royal families because of the amount of inbreeding that went on which led to all kinds of inherited genetic disorders that were not know or identified back then.
@sheilareeves-pierre8697
@sheilareeves-pierre8697 Жыл бұрын
They didn't all die . I'm a direct descendant. It came up when I did a DNA test thru 2 companies at the same time . Some history gets erased. I have no clue as to how ...but I legit am a descendant.
@littlebrookreader949
@littlebrookreader949 Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT. KINDLY DONE. BEAUTIFUL, MELODIC MUSIC. ❤️❤️❤️
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😊 I'm pleased you enjoyed it so much.
@christinamorales6887
@christinamorales6887 Жыл бұрын
Her poor kids and the complex trauma they all faced.
@ps603
@ps603 Жыл бұрын
Yes, the members of WEF need to be reminded of history.
@Ella-gx2wq
@Ella-gx2wq 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your take on this, you are a creative soul who's bringing awareness to so much history ❤️
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that's very kind of you to say so. 😊
@monacam9341
@monacam9341 2 жыл бұрын
I love History.And saw a lot of Documentaries of them. But in not one of they told us they adopted 4 Kids more. Told only of the Son and Daughter.
@jdee4956
@jdee4956 2 жыл бұрын
What happened to the children was very cruel - they were innocents. Remember, also, the terrible and prolonged suffering which drove the poor to revolt.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! The poverty the ordinary people lived in was horrendous, and it was quite right that they had a revolution and changed things for the better. But what started as good intentions quickly became quite bloody, and that's when issues arose.
@trinamcgarvey-vw7ke
@trinamcgarvey-vw7ke Жыл бұрын
The suffering of the citizenry, instead of making them empathetic, made them even more cruel than those who had abused them. The suffering of innocents never pleases God. We cannot place blame on others for our actions.
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
The Estates or Parliament was at fault for much of that. They didn't care that much about the commoners. the King tried to go along with those asking for reforms but they just wanted to murder the royals and have regime change.
@EpicEuropeStories-f7v
@EpicEuropeStories-f7v Ай бұрын
Great job on presenting complex events so clearly! [7:47] It’s always exciting to discover similar content diving into these topics from fresh angles.
@SophyaAgain
@SophyaAgain 2 жыл бұрын
Engulfed by the sweep of history. Chilling. In a different circumstance those children would have had an uneventful life.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It does seem unfair how fate turned out for them - especially those who were adopted, who might otherwise have had a hand up in life.
@margaretormerod6943
@margaretormerod6943 2 жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for Mari she was a teenager. I think she was a good mother to her many children. She was merely a child herself
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It's true, I think if there had been a pause for a few years to allow both Marie Antoinette and Louis mature a little more first, they might have done a little better.
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Жыл бұрын
she was not a teenager she was in her 30s at the time of her death
@diamondtiara84
@diamondtiara84 2 жыл бұрын
All of this would make for a great historical novel or miniseries.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It certainly would! So much focus is always put on the Revolution beginning that very little of its aftermath gets looked at in detail - other than the obvious of many people losing their heads, of course!
@isabelledetaillefer2726
@isabelledetaillefer2726 Ай бұрын
I'm a descendent of French Huguenot's, but I despise the French Revolution. It was a genocidal slaughter, and the treatment of women - and children in particular - was disgusting. To me, Bastille Day festivities are an abomination, it's up there with Bartholomew night. Why would you celebrate streets running with human blood? I was looking forward to go to Paris all my life, and finally got to see it around my 30th birthday. It was nothing like I imagined. The place freaked me out, I couldn't stop crying, I felt sick. As an empath & sensitive, I sometimes get to places I have very strong reactions to, but I really couldn't understand this one. I packed my bags in less than 48 hours without seeing even nearly what I came for, and hastened to the Garde Nord. Everything started to make sense when I got home and researched the full history of Paris. I never went back. Many people were shocked by the opening ceremony of the Olympics. I was too, but not surprised. There's something really evil lurking below the surface that rise from time to time to announce itself, and ever so often it gets fed and emboldened by human stupidity. But this ritual was designed to open a portal to the underworld and it might have finally sealed the fate of that once great city. I don't think its story will end well at all.
@araucana1976
@araucana1976 Жыл бұрын
I have seen this video only once. It's utterly sad. Such inocente victims ! Such a barbarism!
@LegendOfKitty
@LegendOfKitty 7 ай бұрын
Marie Antoinette is such a complicated figure. I feel very sad for that poor boy she "adopted" from his grandmother, and the rest of her children, biologically hers or otherwise, just had so much trauma to deal with thanks to the Revolution and living standards of that time. It's really heartbreaking. I don't know if Marie was fit for being a queen, but I get the sense that she did her best being a mother and for the most part, was well suited for the role. She clearly loved her children, and most of them clearly loved her too.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 7 ай бұрын
I get that feeling, as well. I think being a poor ruler (in her case, and her husband's) had a lot to do with their upbringing, being altogether too young when they came to the throne, and just bad luck that they were in charge at a time when Europe was undergoing seismic social changes. But being a good mother was obviously in her regardless, and I agree that it showed through in how she treated not only her children, but her friends, as well.
@reneeblair7593
@reneeblair7593 2 жыл бұрын
Tragic what happened to the children...
@patlehman2733
@patlehman2733 3 ай бұрын
Truly sad ..all those children.. what a mess..poor things..
@traceyscarlett587
@traceyscarlett587 Жыл бұрын
Can I just point out that as the daughter of an empress she was a grand Duchess, not a princess.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
I can't remember exactly where I've said it (I always have to refer back to my scripts for these things) but apologies if I've said it in the wrong place. She was of course born an archduchess of Austria, but I meant that she was a princess once she married Louis XVI, as of course she first became a dauphine upon their marriage. Sometimes I make an error when recording! :)
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Жыл бұрын
Grand-Duke and Grand-Duchess are titles of the Russian court, not used in Austrian, and certainly not in France 🙂
@janedenktasli1015
@janedenktasli1015 Жыл бұрын
No, Austrians were Archduchess. Russians were Grand Duchess.
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
maybe that is the correct title, but to use the word princess is also correct as part of a general category.
@loonylinda
@loonylinda 9 ай бұрын
great narration very enjoyable.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@autumn-_-uwu8340
@autumn-_-uwu8340 Жыл бұрын
History and stories like this makes me see how cruel we humans can be
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Жыл бұрын
oh yeah. like, idk, perpetuating a regime that allows people to starve because of their "lower birth", then resisting any bit of change that would better the lot of the people? oh wait you meant the revolutionaries.
@altinaykor364
@altinaykor364 10 ай бұрын
@albusdumbledore219 Spain also had starvation problem and famine for far more decades and centuries and chaos in that country didn't exactly end, even after they kicked French revolutionaries out! Dutch also had to deal with floods and bad weather for like forever and they also had their similar revolution (with morals of course) how is that they weren't such a weak people to turn insane?
@ashleybellerose7104
@ashleybellerose7104 9 ай бұрын
So strange. And here i was always told after they let her go they have no idea what happened to her
@Celisar1
@Celisar1 2 жыл бұрын
This video has it all! Very good and engaging narration, very interesting content and beautiful music :) Thank you.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@BeyondExtinctionLove
@BeyondExtinctionLove 2 жыл бұрын
Nine months after the execution of her husband, the former King Louis XVI of France, Marie Antoinette follows him to the guillotine on October 16, 1793
@Jollyjilly58
@Jollyjilly58 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and very sad and tragic
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
It certainly is a tragic story, sadly. But at least Marie-Therese went on to find some happiness, and maybe (hopefully) Jeanne, too.
@jamellfoster6029
@jamellfoster6029 Жыл бұрын
Marie & Louis loved each other & their kids.
@kristooley4112
@kristooley4112 2 жыл бұрын
what a sad story.
@jamesu9508
@jamesu9508 6 ай бұрын
It’s weird these people had full lives and it’s been over for them for 235 years. They’d be blown away by what we have. I wanna see 2200
@pran7003
@pran7003 Жыл бұрын
Without Louis there would be no United States !
@vernette39
@vernette39 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this history lesson.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
You're welcome, I hope you enjoyed the video! 😊
@henkiealgarve5909
@henkiealgarve5909 2 жыл бұрын
read the book the lost king.....her son suffer more than you put here
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the Deborah Cadbury one in my description, or a different one? Always good to add more knowledge to my reading list. 🙂
@XxBrittany20xX
@XxBrittany20xX 7 ай бұрын
Marie Antoinette has always been one of my favorite history stories. Besides egyptian history and japanese history. Ive always wondered where blood decendents of marie Antoinette are now. It would be interesting to learn. And i was curious what had happened to her children. Love ur video! Ty so much! ❤ ^_^ A part of me wonders if in the briggs meyer test, marie anntoinette was a enfj. Because that type is very compassionate towards those in in need that they make it their own goal to continue wanting to help others. (Im a enfj) unfortunately enfj tend to become scapegoats and pushed aside and lied about as we are very altruistic and easily manipulated at times. We follow our emotions a tad more then over logic. Not that we dont use logic, but we do sway more by the compassion for others. Enfj are the second rarest personality type, and also known in the diplomat group of the 4 rarer personality types.
@ahsokatano9101
@ahsokatano9101 2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for the first adopted son. Imagine being taken away from your family just for the happiness of one woman. I don’t blame him for joining the side of the revolution.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
I've got to admit, I feel the same way. I feel sorry for Marie Antoinette in a lot of ways, but not in this regard. While I guess from his grandma's point of view, she could see how life financially was going to be better for him and his siblings, emotionally that little boy lost his family overnight.
@lilaeckitties7524
@lilaeckitties7524 2 жыл бұрын
He and his siblings would have likely died by disease or starvation and none of them would have received an education. It wasn't just the happiness of Marie but the happiness/benefit of his siblings and grandmother. She paid for their expenses too, how else would have the grandmother afford to house them let alone feed them?
@jjgems5909
@jjgems5909 2 жыл бұрын
It was the way the took him and then just treated him like a pet. They literally just took him their on the spot. Didn’t give him a chance to process what was going on. That’s traumatizing. And to top it off they stopped loving him after they had a child. If they had truly adopted and treated him like a human being and loved him as ok of their own maybe they would have had a different fate 😢
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
@@jjgems5909 I think that's the part that's difficult, exactly. The fact he joined the Revolutionaries says how he felt he had been treated, anyway.
@jilllangman9343
@jilllangman9343 2 жыл бұрын
It was hardly for the pleasure of the grandmother. She did it so the other grandchildren would have good lives instead of possibly being malnourished and sickly. She had no money for their education.
@joygimbel7760
@joygimbel7760 3 күн бұрын
Antonia Fraser’s book helped me when I had a hard time getting pregnant a second time. She endured so much to have hers.
@RiannaRichardsOfficial
@RiannaRichardsOfficial Жыл бұрын
💔💔What a sad story... The Tragedy of King Loius and Marie Antoinette’s deaths shouldn't have happened if they had fled to the U.S.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
It would have been very interesting to see how things might have gone had they managed to escape. Many royals who fled that way did not come back to their kingdoms, but there was the Bourbon Restoration in France's case, so who knows?
@christigoth
@christigoth Жыл бұрын
or even to austria right next door. But they tried to do that. And were caught.
@foodlover2236
@foodlover2236 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful video
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@MrsWellner
@MrsWellner Жыл бұрын
Who the hell really would expect two FIFTEEN YEAR OLDS to know how to consummate a marriage without explicit instruction????? GROSS!!!!!!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
Apparently Marie Antoinette was given some instruction just before she left for France, but I imagine it was much like the 18th century version of a teenager being told today with no prior knowledge, inwardly going 'ick'! Girls often got told the mechanics just before getting married, but I'm not sure if boys had the same discussion or not. You're absolutely right in that it was probably part of it.
@MrsWellner
@MrsWellner Жыл бұрын
@@HistorysForgottenPeople ick.
@Lucinda-zr9su
@Lucinda-zr9su Ай бұрын
Back then there was nothing unusual about teens marrying in royal circles. It goes back Hundreds of years.
@emeraldblue5291
@emeraldblue5291 Жыл бұрын
So much life lived in 38 years
@Prettythings2244
@Prettythings2244 Жыл бұрын
What was that lovely piano piece playing around the 11 minute mark?
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Жыл бұрын
I'll have to get on my computer to find out for you, but I will do it!
@lenjcnt170
@lenjcnt170 2 ай бұрын
17:15 Poor young prince. They are innocent but they are not spared by the ruthless revolutionarist.
@a.jlondon9039
@a.jlondon9039 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@jereesantacruz6989
@jereesantacruz6989 Жыл бұрын
Thank u ...tried in the past to find out about the children.
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